Episode 40 of Tip of the Iceberg Podcast features a conversation between three of The Packer's editors — Tom Karst, Amelia Freidline and Ashley Nickle — about why we cover the Environmental Working Group's "Dirty Dozen" and "Clean 15" lists; why EWG's messaging is damaging both to the industry and to public healthy; and how produce companies can start sapping the power of the lists by proactively communicating about the responsible practices they undertake when it comes to pesticides and their operations in general.