Hello.

Hello.

Yeah, I can hear you.

Yeah, I can hear you.

Hey, what's up. What's your name? My name is Dylan Dylan. Have we ever talked before? Dylan?

Hey, what's up. What's your name? My name is Dylan Dylan. Have we ever talked before? Dylan?

No, we haven't, not at all.

No, we haven't, not at all.

What's up, man?

What's up, man?

How you doing A few times?

How you doing A few times?

Well? You doing?

Well? You doing?

Yeh? I'm looking for meaning, looking for meaning in life. I kind of want to not find myself waking up at the end of my life and looking back and realizing that I didn't live it along the way. I just kind of waited.

Yeh? I'm looking for meaning, looking for meaning in life. I kind of want to not find myself waking up at the end of my life and looking back and realizing that I didn't live it along the way. I just kind of waited.

Yeah, yeah, I would be happy to talk about that.

Yeah, yeah, I would be happy to talk about that.

How old are you?

How old are you?

Thirty five?

Thirty five?

Okay, what do you do? You do you think you've been well?

Okay, what do you do? You do you think you've been well?

I guess that would start with, like, as, what in the first thirty five years of your life have you been doing or or valuing?

I guess that would start with, like, as, what in the first thirty five years of your life have you been doing or or valuing?

You know?

You know?

Yeah, well flash summary of thirty five years deck. I was raised hyper religious and a pseudo kind of cult like branch of Christianity. I came to like the west Boro Baptistricts. Got out of that. Whoa, yeah, you can.

Yeah, well flash summary of thirty five years deck. I was raised hyper religious and a pseudo kind of cult like branch of Christianity. I came to like the west Boro Baptistricts. Got out of that. Whoa, yeah, you can.

Keep keep keep going.

Keep keep keep going.

No no, no, top, I'm gonna sit back and shut up keep going.

No no, no, top, I'm gonna sit back and shut up keep going.

So eighteen ran Off joined the army, went to Iraq so in love with dow in my unit we were together during our deployment, talked under the stars in the desert and thought that it was going to be forever and if we could get through war, then we could the rest. And didn't it turn out to be what I thought. We were just young, and you know, she wanted to go in and see what other options life has. And I don't blame her for that, you know, Like I said, we were both kids, but I took it hard for the first fifteen years after that, and I haven't had a relationship since working Can I can?

So eighteen ran Off joined the army, went to Iraq so in love with dow in my unit we were together during our deployment, talked under the stars in the desert and thought that it was going to be forever and if we could get through war, then we could the rest. And didn't it turn out to be what I thought. We were just young, and you know, she wanted to go in and see what other options life has. And I don't blame her for that, you know, Like I said, we were both kids, but I took it hard for the first fifteen years after that, and I haven't had a relationship since working Can I can?

I can? I?

I can? I?

Can?

Can?

I stop you for I want to hear the rest of your life story, but you say okay. To sum it up, Yeah, you met this lady in your unit, and you guys really fell in love with each other and things didn't work out. She tried to pursue other options, which I and you guys met when you were eighteen, Right, that's what you say? Uh? You kind of alluded to saying that it hit you pretty hard for the for fifteen years after that.

I stop you for I want to hear the rest of your life story, but you say okay. To sum it up, Yeah, you met this lady in your unit, and you guys really fell in love with each other and things didn't work out. She tried to pursue other options, which I and you guys met when you were eighteen, Right, that's what you say? Uh? You kind of alluded to saying that it hit you pretty hard for the for fifteen years after that.

Tell me more about that.

Tell me more about that.

Yeah, yeah, Well, but basically my entire twenties in the last I guess, like nineteen in the twenty and in my entire twenties. I just was in a deep depression, you know, working dead end jobs, and I ended up in factory in the back room for six years, just kind of going through the motions of getting money to pay the bills and then going home and watching YouTube. And I finally woke up when I had a very close friend to past and I kind of got faced with a decision where I was like, well, I could either kind of give up or I could try, And so I chose to try. But now I'm there. Now that's where I'm at. I met this place where I'm like, it's like I'm paralyzed, existential paralyzed, pterialism.

Yeah, yeah, Well, but basically my entire twenties in the last I guess, like nineteen in the twenty and in my entire twenties. I just was in a deep depression, you know, working dead end jobs, and I ended up in factory in the back room for six years, just kind of going through the motions of getting money to pay the bills and then going home and watching YouTube. And I finally woke up when I had a very close friend to past and I kind of got faced with a decision where I was like, well, I could either kind of give up or I could try, And so I chose to try. But now I'm there. Now that's where I'm at. I met this place where I'm like, it's like I'm paralyzed, existential paralyzed, pterialism.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know why I'm not trying, why I'm not doing this thing.

I don't know why I'm not trying, why I'm not doing this thing.

I want to.

I want to.

Let me let me, let me ask you to clarify something you said. You woke up one day and then decided you wanted to You said you had a friend pass away and that was kind of like catalyst for you, as you say, trying.

Let me let me, let me ask you to clarify something you said. You woke up one day and then decided you wanted to You said you had a friend pass away and that was kind of like catalyst for you, as you say, trying.

How long ago was this.

How long ago was this.

In July twenty one? Yeah, Well, the only real friends person I talked to about everything. We're just friends friends, friends.

In July twenty one? Yeah, Well, the only real friends person I talked to about everything. We're just friends friends, friends.

Yeah, not romantic.

Yeah, not romantic.

Yeah, but it was the surprise that happened fast.

Yeah, but it was the surprise that happened fast.

When you said you were just working back a little bit, you said that there's this thing with this girl hit you hard for fifteen years. When you say you were in a depression, are you not saying you were in a depression? I was thinking about that relationship for fifteen years. Would you were you?

When you said you were just working back a little bit, you said that there's this thing with this girl hit you hard for fifteen years. When you say you were in a depression, are you not saying you were in a depression? I was thinking about that relationship for fifteen years. Would you were you?

I think it was it was a mix of things. I ended up losing my state that I had in my childhood around that time, and just like I just fell into a deep stage depression.

I think it was it was a mix of things. I ended up losing my state that I had in my childhood around that time, and just like I just fell into a deep stage depression.

I think it was.

I think it was.

Caused by a lot of different things, but one big thing was definitely Yeah, I felt pretty worthless and not worthy of people's time. I guess after that relationship so apart, I didn't deal with it very healthily for those for that period of time.

Caused by a lot of different things, but one big thing was definitely Yeah, I felt pretty worthless and not worthy of people's time. I guess after that relationship so apart, I didn't deal with it very healthily for those for that period of time.

And you say you lost you say you lost your faith, like religious faith.

And you say you lost you say you lost your faith, like religious faith.

Right, Yeah. I got exposed to more things in the world, you know, when I went overseas and I was in a part of the downtown bank Dad and we were rolling through and I saw people shopping and people eating, kids playing with a soccer ball in particular, and just kind of hit me that for the most part, they were just people there. They weren't the evil Islamic other you know, I mean, I don't know, it's.

Right, Yeah. I got exposed to more things in the world, you know, when I went overseas and I was in a part of the downtown bank Dad and we were rolling through and I saw people shopping and people eating, kids playing with a soccer ball in particular, and just kind of hit me that for the most part, they were just people there. They weren't the evil Islamic other you know, I mean, I don't know, it's.

Well, I mean, I mean, yeah, you said, you said you grew up in the Westboro Baptist Church, right.

Well, I mean, I mean, yeah, you said, you said you grew up in the Westboro Baptist Church, right.

You know, kind of a branch of uh what'd call the first Baptist Northern Baptist Church that idolized the west Bureo Baptist Ric's not actually part of the west Boro baptistricts. But we looked at them guys as like heroes on the front line.

You know, kind of a branch of uh what'd call the first Baptist Northern Baptist Church that idolized the west Bureo Baptist Ric's not actually part of the west Boro baptistricts. But we looked at them guys as like heroes on the front line.

But but you you know, yeah, you're going up in a church that's basically like telling you, like those guys over there, you know are are are? You know that you're they're fucked up.

But but you you know, yeah, you're going up in a church that's basically like telling you, like those guys over there, you know are are are? You know that you're they're fucked up.

Right exactly? That they're evil in some way. And then they were just people when I.

Right exactly? That they're evil in some way. And then they were just people when I.

Got right right now?

Got right right now?

Yea, you you said in twenty twenty one, you woke up and you were like, I'm gonna start trying.

Yea, you you said in twenty twenty one, you woke up and you were like, I'm gonna start trying.

What does that mean?

What does that mean?

I guess it. It meant like I looks for a better job. I got in at the male clinic insecurity, and you know, it paid better and had more opportunities as a career path. I thought that that was trying more. I was hoping to maybe try writing. I don't know, I guess, I guess I felt like I put my life on pause during the depression and didn't really try much of anything beyond just going through a dead end job, getting enough to pay for necessities in my rent and then that was it, you know, not a lot of social activity and not a lot of anything other than consuming YouTube content that are going on Wikipedia.

I guess it. It meant like I looks for a better job. I got in at the male clinic insecurity, and you know, it paid better and had more opportunities as a career path. I thought that that was trying more. I was hoping to maybe try writing. I don't know, I guess, I guess I felt like I put my life on pause during the depression and didn't really try much of anything beyond just going through a dead end job, getting enough to pay for necessities in my rent and then that was it, you know, not a lot of social activity and not a lot of anything other than consuming YouTube content that are going on Wikipedia.

So when you said, when you say that you're you're like looking for meaning and you don't want to wake up at the end of your life and feel like it was unlived. There's a power, there's a powerful uh desires what but so you cut like to audit yourself and audit your brain? I mean what, like what do you value? I mean that's the thing, is like you can't really search for meeting you like kind of create it from within and decided, uh, you know, for yourself. So what what?

So when you said, when you say that you're you're like looking for meaning and you don't want to wake up at the end of your life and feel like it was unlived. There's a power, there's a powerful uh desires what but so you cut like to audit yourself and audit your brain? I mean what, like what do you value? I mean that's the thing, is like you can't really search for meeting you like kind of create it from within and decided, uh, you know, for yourself. So what what?

What?

What?

When you are thinking about these things, have you like decided for yourself is meaningful?

When you are thinking about these things, have you like decided for yourself is meaningful?

Yeah? I guess that's yeah, I mean, I've I mean that's literally I guess. The question the existential crisis part of it is just like how do you create meaning? How do I create self value? Or work, you know, without like trying to find validation from other people, because that's been like my stumbling block because I do die your validation from other people that I don't get it.

Yeah? I guess that's yeah, I mean, I've I mean that's literally I guess. The question the existential crisis part of it is just like how do you create meaning? How do I create self value? Or work, you know, without like trying to find validation from other people, because that's been like my stumbling block because I do die your validation from other people that I don't get it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah no no at a certain point. God, it's so hard to like fucking mentally get there. But I'm also having the some epiphanies of like, you truly have to build you if you if you if your car runs on the engine of other people's validation, you you, uh, you're just fucked. You know. You have to kind of build, you have to really build like a solid foundation of like deciding that your fucking life matters and that do your you care about your having a good life?

Yeah, yeah, yeah no no at a certain point. God, it's so hard to like fucking mentally get there. But I'm also having the some epiphanies of like, you truly have to build you if you if you if your car runs on the engine of other people's validation, you you, uh, you're just fucked. You know. You have to kind of build, you have to really build like a solid foundation of like deciding that your fucking life matters and that do your you care about your having a good life?

Uh? But again, like I, uh, well, what makes what would make you have a good life? Like what do you what do you want? My dog?

Uh? But again, like I, uh, well, what makes what would make you have a good life? Like what do you what do you want? My dog?

I think connection with some people would be good. But it feels like this herculean task, you know, because now I'm got so much life baggage, you know, how do I just show up and dump that on somebody's laugh, you know, or expect as an adult? You know, it's just like you just bring so much more to it. When we were on the playground as kid, you had nothing. He just walked up and said, I want to be friends. Yeah, and now we're friend cool.

I think connection with some people would be good. But it feels like this herculean task, you know, because now I'm got so much life baggage, you know, how do I just show up and dump that on somebody's laugh, you know, or expect as an adult? You know, it's just like you just bring so much more to it. When we were on the playground as kid, you had nothing. He just walked up and said, I want to be friends. Yeah, and now we're friend cool.

You know, Oh man, you know, I totally feel where you're coming from.

You know, Oh man, you know, I totally feel where you're coming from.

Dude, I really do, I really feel where you're coming from.

Dude, I really do, I really feel where you're coming from.

And uh, I'm I can off.

And uh, I'm I can off.

I'm I'm gonna off for a thought to you, Why do you do you feel like it is so necessary to let that baggage, uh define you? Why?

I'm I'm gonna off for a thought to you, Why do you do you feel like it is so necessary to let that baggage, uh define you? Why?

Like?

Like?

Why like why are you holding onto it? Why?

Why like why are you holding onto it? Why?

Like in your brain you're talking about like I I like even just the way that you've mentally set up your existence is is by putting your baggage first and realizing and and just saying like you've like kind of mentally decided for yourself that your baggage is a defining element of who you are and so therefore to make new connections you have to put it at the at the forefront of who you are.

Like in your brain you're talking about like I I like even just the way that you've mentally set up your existence is is by putting your baggage first and realizing and and just saying like you've like kind of mentally decided for yourself that your baggage is a defining element of who you are and so therefore to make new connections you have to put it at the at the forefront of who you are.

And that won't work.

And that won't work.

It's hard to I wanted you know, the whole I can't release sit here and uh rant about how you should you know, just let it go, because I really know that that's It's not that easy.

It's hard to I wanted you know, the whole I can't release sit here and uh rant about how you should you know, just let it go, because I really know that that's It's not that easy.

But I think it's kind of very interesting.

But I think it's kind of very interesting.

It's a but it's a I just know in my even though like, uh, I think I've done it in in like my life and I think it's a makes sense, but you you just it's a mistake to let it define you and put it at the you know, your mental forefront image of who you are. It's a real mistake, and it is it is something that you have control over because you kind of get to define your own perspective of who you are. And so you're you're a control of whether or not you want to let yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to change the story.

It's a but it's a I just know in my even though like, uh, I think I've done it in in like my life and I think it's a makes sense, but you you just it's a mistake to let it define you and put it at the you know, your mental forefront image of who you are. It's a real mistake, and it is it is something that you have control over because you kind of get to define your own perspective of who you are. And so you're you're a control of whether or not you want to let yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to change the story.

Well that's so I am to answer some of the questions in the chat. I do go to the VIA center and see it therapist, a real counselor too.

Well that's so I am to answer some of the questions in the chat. I do go to the VIA center and see it therapist, a real counselor too.

Oh oh sorry, do me a favorite? Do me a favorite? Can you not? Can you not look at the chat?

Oh oh sorry, do me a favorite? Do me a favorite? Can you not? Can you not look at the chat?

Oh?

Oh?

Sure, sure, sorry what we're saying.

Sure, sure, sorry what we're saying.

So I was just gonna say that changing the story I tell myself. I guess I had seen my baggage of something that I thought I had to sit, you know, but you think like could literally just set it down and move forward without it, you know, just like say scrap it the first thirty five and let's just go from here. No, I don't know.

So I was just gonna say that changing the story I tell myself. I guess I had seen my baggage of something that I thought I had to sit, you know, but you think like could literally just set it down and move forward without it, you know, just like say scrap it the first thirty five and let's just go from here. No, I don't know.

I don't I don't know if that's what I'm few. I don't know if that's I mean, maybe I'm really no. Uh, I'm again. I'm not like I'm not advising on anything. I'm just kind of thinking about these things alongside you.

I don't I don't know if that's what I'm few. I don't know if that's I mean, maybe I'm really no. Uh, I'm again. I'm not like I'm not advising on anything. I'm just kind of thinking about these things alongside you.

I think there's something.

I think there's something.

To be said, there's something to be said about like you don't have to Huh. You thought you had to fix it first before it's an interesting idea.

To be said, there's something to be said about like you don't have to Huh. You thought you had to fix it first before it's an interesting idea.

I have to fix this baggage.

I have to fix this baggage.

I have need to fix these things about myself before I'm able to have connections with people.

I have need to fix these things about myself before I'm able to have connections with people.

Yeah, I've been in my.

Yeah, I've been in my.

Personal life and I've really been thinking a lot about Uh, this idea that you can kind of accept the I used to be afraid of, like accepting certain things about myself because then it meant I wouldn't work on them, right, Like that's the fallacy. It's like, what's like like like like if I accept that I don't like the way if I accept that I don't like the way I live my life, or I accept it for what it is, I'll stop working on it, and then I'll just continue to sink more in a misery. That's kind of the fallacy I was working off of, and I've kind of begin to understand it more as I get older, which is like no acceptance is like I ecept is that you can accept things about yourself that you don't like and still work to fix them. It's just that you you don't have to like fucking hate yourself in order to fix yourself.

Personal life and I've really been thinking a lot about Uh, this idea that you can kind of accept the I used to be afraid of, like accepting certain things about myself because then it meant I wouldn't work on them, right, Like that's the fallacy. It's like, what's like like like like if I accept that I don't like the way if I accept that I don't like the way I live my life, or I accept it for what it is, I'll stop working on it, and then I'll just continue to sink more in a misery. That's kind of the fallacy I was working off of, and I've kind of begin to understand it more as I get older, which is like no acceptance is like I ecept is that you can accept things about yourself that you don't like and still work to fix them. It's just that you you don't have to like fucking hate yourself in order to fix yourself.

I don't think do you know that makes sense?

I don't think do you know that makes sense?

It does make sense, but yeah, I do believe, like I thought the same thing that like, if I accept the shit parts, then I'm not going to fix them, or I'm not going to improve on them. Then if I accept them, I'll just let it go, right, So I believe I think I believe that same thing.

It does make sense, but yeah, I do believe, like I thought the same thing that like, if I accept the shit parts, then I'm not going to fix them, or I'm not going to improve on them. Then if I accept them, I'll just let it go, right, So I believe I think I believe that same thing.

But that's.

But that's.

Yeah, I guess that is a fallacy. So give it.

Yeah, I guess that is a fallacy. So give it.

It's really hard, it is, Yes, it is, it is. It's really.

It's really hard, it is, Yes, it is, it is. It's really.

I mean, I've written a few short things about that feeling looking in the mirror.

I mean, I've written a few short things about that feeling looking in the mirror.

Yeah, hm hmm, yeah, I don't Uh, it's a whole it's a whole thing. I think this is the plot of the movie Surfs Up. Have you ever seen that movie?

Yeah, hm hmm, yeah, I don't Uh, it's a whole it's a whole thing. I think this is the plot of the movie Surfs Up. Have you ever seen that movie?

I'll have not Now I can't say it, but.

I'll have not Now I can't say it, but.

I think there's some messages in there about hating yourself and trying to overcome that.

I think there's some messages in there about hating yourself and trying to overcome that.

I have to check it out. I've seen surf Ninjas.

I have to check it out. I've seen surf Ninjas.

What is that? What is that movie?

What is that? What is that movie?

It's uh shipes movie about these three brothers that it turns out they are ninjas.

It's uh shipes movie about these three brothers that it turns out they are ninjas.

I want you, I just can we?

I want you, I just can we?

Can we?

Can we?

I just for your own I don't know? Can we? I want to think of something for you to do.

I just for your own I don't know? Can we? I want to think of something for you to do.

Is there do you want to do any like? Like you want you You're just looking for meaning like I I think you're like you're due for like a Walter Midty fucking adventure.

Is there do you want to do any like? Like you want you You're just looking for meaning like I I think you're like you're due for like a Walter Midty fucking adventure.

You're done that that.

You're done that that.

I I'm not sure who Walter Mitty is, but the idea of an adventure that hits home. I've been looking into Ernest Hemingway recently as a right just dove.

I I'm not sure who Walter Mitty is, but the idea of an adventure that hits home. I've been looking into Ernest Hemingway recently as a right just dove.

Do you do you have kids?

Do you do you have kids?

No?

No?

Give well, wife or a girlfriend or anything?

Give well, wife or a girlfriend or anything?

No?

No?

My only of real Yeah.

My only of real Yeah.

Would you have any responsibility? Oh? You have a cat? You can get a cat? Go go go? Did go do? When's the last time you left the country.

Would you have any responsibility? Oh? You have a cat? You can get a cat? Go go go? Did go do? When's the last time you left the country.

Uh Iraq?

Uh Iraq?

Back when you were eighteen ago?

Back when you were eighteen ago?

Yeah, a long time ago.

Yeah, a long time ago.

Do you have any savings?

Do you have any savings?

I have a little bit.

I have a little bit.

Yeah, you could, you should do something I know. It's not like, yeah, I gotta solve your problems by traveling, but like if you're if you're looking to like be like, oh I want to make something out of my life. I mean you should go do something on a weird adventure, go to is there anywhere that you've ever thought of?

Yeah, you could, you should do something I know. It's not like, yeah, I gotta solve your problems by traveling, but like if you're if you're looking to like be like, oh I want to make something out of my life. I mean you should go do something on a weird adventure, go to is there anywhere that you've ever thought of?

So I like the whimsical ideas of doing random things that so like. I bought Babbel a year and a half ago because I was like, I'll learn a second language. I tried to learn Spanish because it would be so useful to know Spanish for so many reasons, but it was like eating my vegetables. So I didn't get into it, didn't do it. Just recently I found out that the creator of my favorite show, Pushing Daisies, his favorite movie and inspiration was Amaali. It's a French movie from two thousand and one about a gal. It's really great, recommend it to anybody. Amazingly shot, very visual. But I was like, hey, wouldn't be funny to buy it watch it in French without subtitles. I don't know French, but I did that and it was great. It's awesome. It's cool to watch a movie. In a different language without subtitles, because then you don't pay attention to the words and you get to see everything else about it. But I was said Ernest Teman way loved France. Wouldn't it be cool to buy a ticket, fly to France, have dinner, after dinner, get on the plane, fly back.

So I like the whimsical ideas of doing random things that so like. I bought Babbel a year and a half ago because I was like, I'll learn a second language. I tried to learn Spanish because it would be so useful to know Spanish for so many reasons, but it was like eating my vegetables. So I didn't get into it, didn't do it. Just recently I found out that the creator of my favorite show, Pushing Daisies, his favorite movie and inspiration was Amaali. It's a French movie from two thousand and one about a gal. It's really great, recommend it to anybody. Amazingly shot, very visual. But I was like, hey, wouldn't be funny to buy it watch it in French without subtitles. I don't know French, but I did that and it was great. It's awesome. It's cool to watch a movie. In a different language without subtitles, because then you don't pay attention to the words and you get to see everything else about it. But I was said Ernest Teman way loved France. Wouldn't it be cool to buy a ticket, fly to France, have dinner, after dinner, get on the plane, fly back.

Why do you hold on? Why would? Why the fuck would? Why the fuck would you do that? Why do you just go to France?

Why do you hold on? Why would? Why the fuck would? Why the fuck would you do that? Why do you just go to France?

Why do you have to make it a crazy Why don't I just go for a bit, just go so for a spend a little bit more than a I'll just go and go on a little adventure.

Why do you have to make it a crazy Why don't I just go for a bit, just go so for a spend a little bit more than a I'll just go and go on a little adventure.

Man, Yeah I could.

Man, Yeah I could.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I guess that's the whimsical part about it. It's just like, how ridiculous would that be to spend all that money to go have dinner and come right back? You know, I don't know that.

I guess that's the whimsical part about it. It's just like, how ridiculous would that be to spend all that money to go have dinner and come right back? You know, I don't know that.

I'm very I'm very nervous about that being the way that your brain works.

I'm very I'm very nervous about that being the way that your brain works.

What's your name? Your tsurnam again?

What's your name? Your tsurnam again?

Man, Dylan?

Man, Dylan?

Dylan?

Dylan?

Why don't you go instead of making it a cartoon, why don't you actually just go to France and do things and try to meet people and like put yourself out there a little bit.

Why don't you go instead of making it a cartoon, why don't you actually just go to France and do things and try to meet people and like put yourself out there a little bit.

If you why didn't you do that?

If you why didn't you do that?

I think it's, you know, I think it's fear of trying to do that and then getting rejected. You know, here's what I been rejecting.

I think it's, you know, I think it's fear of trying to do that and then getting rejected. You know, here's what I been rejecting.

Dylan Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, you want to know something crazy want I'm gonna tell you. So I'm gonna tell you something crazy. I believe this sort of. I believe it in the moment that I'm saying it to you, because I'm I'm I'm just hyped up talking to you, and I'm getting a hype.

Dylan Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, you want to know something crazy want I'm gonna tell you. So I'm gonna tell you something crazy. I believe this sort of. I believe it in the moment that I'm saying it to you, because I'm I'm I'm just hyped up talking to you, and I'm getting a hype.

I feel hype.

I feel hype.

I feel hyped up right now. So I believe this in this very moment that I'm saying it. Okay, Dylan, the second you tried, you were successful.

I feel hyped up right now. So I believe this in this very moment that I'm saying it. Okay, Dylan, the second you tried, you were successful.

If you So that's the thing is if you if you go to France.

If you So that's the thing is if you if you go to France.

And you're there and you're look at you're standing and you're eating You're sorry, you're at dinner and you're eating a snail, or like you're walking around town and you're looking to people, You're gonna feel so great that you tried, because that's part of the is Like if you you're you're sitting here and you're going like, Oh, I'm trying to get more meaning out of my life. I'm trying to feel like I made something out of myself. And when you just sit in your house and you fester with that, you're failing. Is because you're sitting and you're festering. But the fact that you traveled and you like you tried, you made some effort against this thing that you're festering with, that's gonna make you feel really good. Not whether or not your try was quote unquote successful in whatever you want your crazy definition of success to be, but just the fact that you tried, You put yourself out there, you did something outside of your normal routine. You tried to talk to someone maybe you wanted to talk to. You tried to go somewhere, maybe you wanted to go to.

And you're there and you're look at you're standing and you're eating You're sorry, you're at dinner and you're eating a snail, or like you're walking around town and you're looking to people, You're gonna feel so great that you tried, because that's part of the is Like if you you're you're sitting here and you're going like, Oh, I'm trying to get more meaning out of my life. I'm trying to feel like I made something out of myself. And when you just sit in your house and you fester with that, you're failing. Is because you're sitting and you're festering. But the fact that you traveled and you like you tried, you made some effort against this thing that you're festering with, that's gonna make you feel really good. Not whether or not your try was quote unquote successful in whatever you want your crazy definition of success to be, but just the fact that you tried, You put yourself out there, you did something outside of your normal routine. You tried to talk to someone maybe you wanted to talk to. You tried to go somewhere, maybe you wanted to go to.

You try.

You try.

Not so much that any of these efforts were successful, but that they were efforts ever at all in the first place.

Not so much that any of these efforts were successful, but that they were efforts ever at all in the first place.

Well, yeah, that feels really I mean I'm really hyped, doc and get right now too, but that feels really true. Well, it resonates with me what you're saying, like the trying, because my fear is the looking back at having not tried anything.

Well, yeah, that feels really I mean I'm really hyped, doc and get right now too, but that feels really true. Well, it resonates with me what you're saying, like the trying, because my fear is the looking back at having not tried anything.

Right, right, So that so there, So all you gotta do is fucking try something. Man, it might not work. You might get to you might get to Paris and be looking at the Eiffel Tower and go. You know, it's kind of it's actually kind of lame, small and life is meaningless but ut less you, but at least you you push yourself far enough to figure out that that wasn't the answer.

Right, right, So that so there, So all you gotta do is fucking try something. Man, it might not work. You might get to you might get to Paris and be looking at the Eiffel Tower and go. You know, it's kind of it's actually kind of lame, small and life is meaningless but ut less you, but at least you you push yourself far enough to figure out that that wasn't the answer.

You know, that'll feel good you exactly.

You know, that'll feel good you exactly.

So I just I can't. I you know, I hope, I hope. I hope that this got through to you in some meaningful way. Thanks for sharing all this stuff with me, Dylan. I really hope that.

So I just I can't. I you know, I hope, I hope. I hope that this got through to you in some meaningful way. Thanks for sharing all this stuff with me, Dylan. I really hope that.

You find so you find some kind of meaning in your in your life.

You find so you find some kind of meaning in your in your life.

It's really cool.

It's really cool.

I'll pop in the chat after my trip when I make it happen.

I'll pop in the chat after my trip when I make it happen.

Dude, please please please do please, dear God, please dear God. If you if you're if.

Dude, please please please do please, dear God, please dear God. If you if you're if.

You do do this, which I hope you do, look give me some kind of follow up.

You do do this, which I hope you do, look give me some kind of follow up.

And whether it's in the chat or in one of my in one, in an email.

And whether it's in the chat or in one of my in one, in an email.

Episode or something like that. I'd love to hear that.

Episode or something like that. I'd love to hear that.

You don't know when oh, well, let me h, we don't know when when is there? What are you waiting for?

You don't know when oh, well, let me h, we don't know when when is there? What are you waiting for?

Well, I guess i'd have to just you know, make the plan and set it up and.

Well, I guess i'd have to just you know, make the plan and set it up and.

Do the travel.

Do the travel.

Okay, what do you have to take time off work?

Okay, what do you have to take time off work?

Yeah? I take some time off the work, you know. All right?

Yeah? I take some time off the work, you know. All right?

Do you have any oh you run a Do you have any pt O left this year?

Do you have any oh you run a Do you have any pt O left this year?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I do?

I do?

Yeah?

Yeah?

All right, fucking do that ship, dude, God damn, do it and then let me know how when.

All right, fucking do that ship, dude, God damn, do it and then let me know how when.

All right, I'm going to I'm gonna go to Paris. I don't know for how long, A couple of days. I won't just have dinner.

All right, I'm going to I'm gonna go to Paris. I don't know for how long, A couple of days. I won't just have dinner.

Cool. Yeah, that was terrible.

Cool. Yeah, that was terrible.

I don't know why I think that it wouldn't be it'd be if I.

I don't know why I think that it wouldn't be it'd be if I.

Mean, if your goal is if your goal is for it to be funny. Yes, it was funny. Well, I don't think this is what you want to do. Yeah, go and walk around and just look at just go and just just go and stand there.

Mean, if your goal is if your goal is for it to be funny. Yes, it was funny. Well, I don't think this is what you want to do. Yeah, go and walk around and just look at just go and just just go and stand there.

And see if it feels fucking any difference at all.

And see if it feels fucking any difference at all.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know why I think the idea of telling somebody, oh, I had dinner in France yesterday and just be like what.

I don't know why I think the idea of telling somebody, oh, I had dinner in France yesterday and just be like what.

You know, what you know what you know what. Maybe you know what you know what? You know what? Maybe that really is all you need. Maybe you do. Maybe I actually take back everything.

You know, what you know what you know what. Maybe you know what you know what? You know what? Maybe that really is all you need. Maybe you do. Maybe I actually take back everything.

I actually take everything I said about your going there to eat lunch and coming and METI to the back idea.

I actually take everything I said about your going there to eat lunch and coming and METI to the back idea.

I take it back. I actually don't think it's a stupid idea.

I take it back. I actually don't think it's a stupid idea.

I actually think if you did that it would accomplish the same as if you went for four days. It's just again, it's just comes back to the fact that you took some form of action to try and deal with this.

I actually think if you did that it would accomplish the same as if you went for four days. It's just again, it's just comes back to the fact that you took some form of action to try and deal with this.

So maybe maybe you do do that. I don't know. I I take back what I said.

So maybe maybe you do do that. I don't know. I I take back what I said.

Well, whatever you do, let me let me send therapy Gecko mail at gmail dot com. Send me an email. Uh if you if you have an update on this, I'm very curious about it. Uh, Dylan, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

Well, whatever you do, let me let me send therapy Gecko mail at gmail dot com. Send me an email. Uh if you if you have an update on this, I'm very curious about it. Uh, Dylan, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?

Not at all. Just keep trying and and you know, tell yourself a better story in your head.

Not at all. Just keep trying and and you know, tell yourself a better story in your head.

I like that. I like that.

I like that. I like that.

I like I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to take some of the fucking advice that I talk about on this plane. This is why I I'm sorry to I'm end this on the rap, but I tell everything I say to callers on this podcast is just me trying to convince myself of things.

I like I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to take some of the fucking advice that I talk about on this plane. This is why I I'm sorry to I'm end this on the rap, but I tell everything I say to callers on this podcast is just me trying to convince myself of things.

So you know that thanks for that. Man, you have a going Dylan.

So you know that thanks for that. Man, you have a going Dylan.

You too get thank you.

You too get thank you.

It is funny the idea of him going, and I had to look back. I had to be like, well, why do I.

It is funny the idea of him going, and I had to look back. I had to be like, well, why do I.

Think that's a stupid idea?

Think that's a stupid idea?

I still do.

I still do.

I still kind of do think it's a stupid idea. But again, the core is that he tried, he went and did something maybe that could make him just the core I think the idea behind obviously you know, we all know that, like and I've had this same conversation with people on this podcast with obviously, like a travel and going to new places isn't in and of itself, is not going to like change make you happy, Like I mean, I well, okay, in this case scenario, it's just like.

I still kind of do think it's a stupid idea. But again, the core is that he tried, he went and did something maybe that could make him just the core I think the idea behind obviously you know, we all know that, like and I've had this same conversation with people on this podcast with obviously, like a travel and going to new places isn't in and of itself, is not going to like change make you happy, Like I mean, I well, okay, in this case scenario, it's just like.

If he hadn't done it forever and he.

If he hadn't done it forever and he.

Tried something he was uncomfortable with in an effort to find more meaning to his life, I think this was actually something to that that could be kind of powerful about that, and you could achieve that by literally going to France for dinner and then coming right home.

Tried something he was uncomfortable with in an effort to find more meaning to his life, I think this was actually something to that that could be kind of powerful about that, and you could achieve that by literally going to France for dinner and then coming right home.

But it is a waste of money. Why would you do that? Hello?

But it is a waste of money. Why would you do that? Hello?

Can you hear me?

Can you hear me?

Okay?

Okay?

Yeah, Hi? What's your name?

Yeah, Hi? What's your name?

Marcy?

Marcy?

Marcie? What's up? Marci?

Marcie? What's up? Marci?

What?

What?

Uh?

Uh?

How?

How?

What?

What?

What brings you to want to talk on the Therapy iCal podcast today?

What brings you to want to talk on the Therapy iCal podcast today?

Well, I've actually wanted to talk to you for a long time. Cool. A little nervous, but otherwise I'm good. Sorry, I was just feeding my cat's got a little out of breath because I'm fair.

Well, I've actually wanted to talk to you for a long time. Cool. A little nervous, but otherwise I'm good. Sorry, I was just feeding my cat's got a little out of breath because I'm fair.

No, no, no worries, no worries.

No, no, no worries, no worries.

I actually wanted to talk a little bit about, uh, like something positive that's going on in my tumultuous world.

I actually wanted to talk a little bit about, uh, like something positive that's going on in my tumultuous world.

Cool. Yeah, let me hear it.

Cool. Yeah, let me hear it.

Yeah. So, going through a few, you know, pretty big hardships between my husband and I, but he and I are like stronger than we've ever been. Ohay, yeah, and it feels really great. It was one of those like I'm high in the shower thoughts that kind of piqued my interest yesterday because we were just we've just been going through it and with our families and just catastrophes you know, here and there. And we live in Florida, so we also deal with you know.

Yeah. So, going through a few, you know, pretty big hardships between my husband and I, but he and I are like stronger than we've ever been. Ohay, yeah, and it feels really great. It was one of those like I'm high in the shower thoughts that kind of piqued my interest yesterday because we were just we've just been going through it and with our families and just catastrophes you know, here and there. And we live in Florida, so we also deal with you know.

Yeah, did you guys get hit Did you guys get hit by by Hurricane big Boy?

Yeah, did you guys get hit Did you guys get hit by by Hurricane big Boy?

No, Thankfully, we've actually made it been really really lucky the last couple of years. Our area is kind of isolated and off to the side, like we live. I don't want to say exactly where, but we live very close to Jacksonville, and we just somehow have totally been missed by at least two of the hurricanes. And then we got like, you know, extreme outer bands and a lot of like flooding and stuff where we live. But other than that, we got really really lucky. It was all of them this year.

No, Thankfully, we've actually made it been really really lucky the last couple of years. Our area is kind of isolated and off to the side, like we live. I don't want to say exactly where, but we live very close to Jacksonville, and we just somehow have totally been missed by at least two of the hurricanes. And then we got like, you know, extreme outer bands and a lot of like flooding and stuff where we live. But other than that, we got really really lucky. It was all of them this year.

How long have you and your husband been together.

How long have you and your husband been together.

We just celebrated our fifth anniversary in September five five.

We just celebrated our fifth anniversary in September five five.

Yep, that's cool. That's cool. And so you said, you said you have been through it tumultuous times, but you're stronger than ever.

Yep, that's cool. That's cool. And so you said, you said you have been through it tumultuous times, but you're stronger than ever.

Stronger than ever. Like even even when we fight, which is very rare, we always come out like learning something new about one another, as if we Sometimes I feel like we're just meeting each other for the first time over and over and over again, and it feels really cool because you know, he and I were a pretty homebody. You know, we don't do a whole lot, We don't have a whole lot of friends outside of our jobs because we were kind of we work a lot and we're kind of isolated. We live away from his family, which sucks. So on on all sides, we're just going through it. But like everything else between him and I is just like we just feel like we can take on the whole world together and fuck everybody else.

Stronger than ever. Like even even when we fight, which is very rare, we always come out like learning something new about one another, as if we Sometimes I feel like we're just meeting each other for the first time over and over and over again, and it feels really cool because you know, he and I were a pretty homebody. You know, we don't do a whole lot, We don't have a whole lot of friends outside of our jobs because we were kind of we work a lot and we're kind of isolated. We live away from his family, which sucks. So on on all sides, we're just going through it. But like everything else between him and I is just like we just feel like we can take on the whole world together and fuck everybody else.

Uh. That's that's Uh, that's so beautiful. That's that is.

Uh. That's that's Uh, that's so beautiful. That's that is.

That's like an incredibly uh valuable one could say rare one could say a rare valuable thing to have in your life. Uh.

That's like an incredibly uh valuable one could say rare one could say a rare valuable thing to have in your life. Uh.

Yeah, particularly how you know, before we met, in like our past relationships, they were pretty bad. And you know, when you're we're kind of both kind of empathed, so we end up taking a lot on from other people. And so in those relationships, we had a lot of people that were like taking from us and never giving in return.

Yeah, particularly how you know, before we met, in like our past relationships, they were pretty bad. And you know, when you're we're kind of both kind of empathed, so we end up taking a lot on from other people. And so in those relationships, we had a lot of people that were like taking from us and never giving in return.

But we're just those type of people who are just like, Okay.

But we're just those type of people who are just like, Okay.

Well if we keep giving, you know, maybe the person will give back.

Well if we keep giving, you know, maybe the person will give back.

Can you ask, can I how old you guys are? I'm just curious where you're at in your life? Journey.

Can you ask, can I how old you guys are? I'm just curious where you're at in your life? Journey.

So I am thirty three cool and he is thirty seven cool.

So I am thirty three cool and he is thirty seven cool.

That's cool.

That's cool.

I'm I'm about to turn twenty seven, and I keep I don't know why, I'm always thinking.

I'm I'm about to turn twenty seven, and I keep I don't know why, I'm always thinking.

I'm always thinking.

I'm always thinking.

About what my life is going to be like in like ten years, and I'm kind of obsessed with I'm kind of obsessed with the idea that, like I could my life could be like really awesome when I'm like thirty seven, like very different, weird.

About what my life is going to be like in like ten years, and I'm kind of obsessed with I'm kind of obsessed with the idea that, like I could my life could be like really awesome when I'm like thirty seven, like very different, weird.

It's cool to just imagine like different.

It's cool to just imagine like different.

They can think about how radically different your life was ten years ago and you're like, oh shit, my lift you radically different ten years from now.

They can think about how radically different your life was ten years ago and you're like, oh shit, my lift you radically different ten years from now.

I think about it.

I think about it.

What is you said you wanted to specifically talk about something positive? What was the specific positive thing you wanted to you wanted to share?

What is you said you wanted to specifically talk about something positive? What was the specific positive thing you wanted to you wanted to share?

Well, I guess that really was the positive thing. It's just because we have so many negative things going on, it just feels like at least my at least my relationship is you know, on a forward path and feels like it's it feels like it's genuine, you know. I never, I very rarely feel unseen by him and being that And I'm going to go with this a tiny tangent. He and I both have late diagnosed ADHD, like pretty pretty severe for him, and I have like a my attention desk that is definitely.

Well, I guess that really was the positive thing. It's just because we have so many negative things going on, it just feels like at least my at least my relationship is you know, on a forward path and feels like it's it feels like it's genuine, you know. I never, I very rarely feel unseen by him and being that And I'm going to go with this a tiny tangent. He and I both have late diagnosed ADHD, like pretty pretty severe for him, and I have like a my attention desk that is definitely.

Like the issue for me.

Like the issue for me.

But we're both really strong speakers, like him especially, he's very articulate and he's also bilingual. He's from d R and so he's very intelligent person and he's gotten himself into conversations with people and made it so that he could like enlighten someone. He's very spiritual in that way.

But we're both really strong speakers, like him especially, he's very articulate and he's also bilingual. He's from d R and so he's very intelligent person and he's gotten himself into conversations with people and made it so that he could like enlighten someone. He's very spiritual in that way.

We're both Buddhists.

We're both Buddhists.

Cool.

Cool.

Yeah, so yeah, so.

Yeah, so yeah, so.

It's uh, where'd you how'd you guys be.

It's uh, where'd you how'd you guys be.

Tender?

Tender?

Actually that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. I like that.

Actually that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. I like that.

I would have thought there's because there's like, what's the Christian mingle of Buddhism.

I would have thought there's because there's like, what's the Christian mingle of Buddhism.

I was thinking maybe it could be something like that, it's tender? Do you guys? I have I have a few questions.

I was thinking maybe it could be something like that, it's tender? Do you guys? I have I have a few questions.

I have a few questions for you, just because I'm curious, because you sound like you've found a thing that's very special and good.

I have a few questions for you, just because I'm curious, because you sound like you've found a thing that's very special and good.

So I have questions about it. Where did you do you? Guys? Feel like.

So I have questions about it. Where did you do you? Guys? Feel like.

A lot of your because you from the way you talk about him, it sounds like you're both very like spiritually aligned and like worldview.

A lot of your because you from the way you talk about him, it sounds like you're both very like spiritually aligned and like worldview.

It sounds like you have a lot.

It sounds like you have a lot.

Of like aligned values, is yes, And so I'm curious when you two first met, do you feel like you came into the relationship both independently possessing those values on which you're aligned, or do you feel like the the alignment developed over the course of of the relationship.

Of like aligned values, is yes, And so I'm curious when you two first met, do you feel like you came into the relationship both independently possessing those values on which you're aligned, or do you feel like the the alignment developed over the course of of the relationship.

So both yes and yes. So the way we met regardless of Tender. So we started on the app, of course, you know, talked on the app for a few days and it was just, you know, just surface level shit like I like Star Wars, you like Star Wars, blah blah blah, that kind of bullshit. And then by the towards the end of the week, he asked if he could call me. And if you know anything about tender, that's pretty rare that anyone actually wants to call you.

So both yes and yes. So the way we met regardless of Tender. So we started on the app, of course, you know, talked on the app for a few days and it was just, you know, just surface level shit like I like Star Wars, you like Star Wars, blah blah blah, that kind of bullshit. And then by the towards the end of the week, he asked if he could call me. And if you know anything about tender, that's pretty rare that anyone actually wants to call you.

It's a it's a it's a good idea because it's you can really get gauged so much more about a person by talking to them on the phone than you can over the right next.

It's a it's a it's a good idea because it's you can really get gauged so much more about a person by talking to them on the phone than you can over the right next.

Accurate number one number one, making sure they're a real person, right and then and then hopefully end up not being a serial killer or whatever. But so I was like, sure, you know, I get off at five, call me at five thirty.

Accurate number one number one, making sure they're a real person, right and then and then hopefully end up not being a serial killer or whatever. But so I was like, sure, you know, I get off at five, call me at five thirty.

I should be.

I should be.

Getting home around then, and I have twenty nine twenty or nine fifty nine whatever on the dot. He was calling me, and I was just like trying to get into my uh, into my room with all my ship in my hands. So I was like, oh, prompt, boy, And then we proceeded to have a conversation for seven and a half hours. Yeah, we just talked the whole time and talked about our lives, talked about our you know, things that we liked and things that they disliked. At the time, I was very involved with politics. I was a sitting chair for the Libertarian Party of Semuel County and I was very involved with stuff like that. And I was working for real estate company and basically running the office on my own and he, unfortunately at the time, was in between in between jobs. But but he was like on the way to getting a job and we just clicked like overnight, and I felt like I knew him better than I knew like the last boyfriend I had before and.

Getting home around then, and I have twenty nine twenty or nine fifty nine whatever on the dot. He was calling me, and I was just like trying to get into my uh, into my room with all my ship in my hands. So I was like, oh, prompt, boy, And then we proceeded to have a conversation for seven and a half hours. Yeah, we just talked the whole time and talked about our lives, talked about our you know, things that we liked and things that they disliked. At the time, I was very involved with politics. I was a sitting chair for the Libertarian Party of Semuel County and I was very involved with stuff like that. And I was working for real estate company and basically running the office on my own and he, unfortunately at the time, was in between in between jobs. But but he was like on the way to getting a job and we just clicked like overnight, and I felt like I knew him better than I knew like the last boyfriend I had before and.

Within so I'm really, really, really really uh that's a fascinating, fascinating story. I'm really curious about your take on something. This is something I really think about a lot in you know, my personal life. You know, when I've been like dating, and I was actually talking a lot about my friends a lot about this with my friend last night.

Within so I'm really, really, really really uh that's a fascinating, fascinating story. I'm really curious about your take on something. This is something I really think about a lot in you know, my personal life. You know, when I've been like dating, and I was actually talking a lot about my friends a lot about this with my friend last night.

You know, do you do you think two people?

You know, do you do you think two people?

Uh?

Uh?

In my head, there's and it doesn't actually one.

In my head, there's and it doesn't actually one.

Or the other, but there's kind of like two schools of thought you could say, with relationships, where it's like you either kind of pick some one, you catch a wave of some kind like your two people meet, they decide to make it work, and then kind of gradually over time they develop their relationship with each other and they their love for each other kind of becomes deeper, versus kind of the other school of thought, which is like you get lucky or you search really really really hard and really really really intentionally until you find that person with whom you just kind of immediately feel like you click and like you, as you just said, know them almost pretty soon, pretty immediately you feel like you know them almost as well as you know somebody that you did the whole other dance with for many years. You know, and I think it seems like it's kind of on the The answer lies somewhere between those two schools of thought. But I'm curious about your perspective because the way that it sounds like things worked out for you and this guy is that you felt it so immediately that you had this this seven hour connection with each other.

Or the other, but there's kind of like two schools of thought you could say, with relationships, where it's like you either kind of pick some one, you catch a wave of some kind like your two people meet, they decide to make it work, and then kind of gradually over time they develop their relationship with each other and they their love for each other kind of becomes deeper, versus kind of the other school of thought, which is like you get lucky or you search really really really hard and really really really intentionally until you find that person with whom you just kind of immediately feel like you click and like you, as you just said, know them almost pretty soon, pretty immediately you feel like you know them almost as well as you know somebody that you did the whole other dance with for many years. You know, and I think it seems like it's kind of on the The answer lies somewhere between those two schools of thought. But I'm curious about your perspective because the way that it sounds like things worked out for you and this guy is that you felt it so immediately that you had this this seven hour connection with each other.

Yeah, I wish I knew the actual answer, but I definitely think it does. It's somewhere in between. You know, it's luck definitely, because I mean, like I said, I met him on tender so I'm basically just you know, rolling the dice there totally. But you know, I also believe that, you know, I'm not like totally four soulmates, but I also kind of am and and he is just one of those people that I feel like, you know, if I hadn't.

Yeah, I wish I knew the actual answer, but I definitely think it does. It's somewhere in between. You know, it's luck definitely, because I mean, like I said, I met him on tender so I'm basically just you know, rolling the dice there totally. But you know, I also believe that, you know, I'm not like totally four soulmates, but I also kind of am and and he is just one of those people that I feel like, you know, if I hadn't.

Passed life, he was there.

Passed life, he was there.

You know, I felt like he was in my life, my whole life. Like we were just kind of talking about that last night, where we both kind of feel like, you know, if we had met a long time ago, like in our you know, high school years, that we would have been like obsessed with one another back then. I was like, yeah, probably wouldn't have been fun for our friends because we would have never had friends.

You know, I felt like he was in my life, my whole life. Like we were just kind of talking about that last night, where we both kind of feel like, you know, if we had met a long time ago, like in our you know, high school years, that we would have been like obsessed with one another back then. I was like, yeah, probably wouldn't have been fun for our friends because we would have never had friends.

Interesting. Interesting.

Interesting. Interesting.

Well, so that's so interesting too because you say that you two would have been obsessed with each other in high school?

Well, so that's so interesting too because you say that you two would have been obsessed with each other in high school?

Do you think that?

Do you think that?

I mean, and you're both in your thirties and there's a lot of change that happens between eighteen to thirty. And because there's another like kind of also like in when I'm like thinking about the schools of thought of how two people come to form a strong relationship, is like, do you ever feel.

I mean, and you're both in your thirties and there's a lot of change that happens between eighteen to thirty. And because there's another like kind of also like in when I'm like thinking about the schools of thought of how two people come to form a strong relationship, is like, do you ever feel.

Like two people? Maybe if two people, you.

Like two people? Maybe if two people, you.

Kind of have to become not a different person, but maybe like like a better version of yourself in order to truly be there and the way that you need to be there for the person that you're with. And it takes a long time to kind of to I guess, become that version of yourself.

Kind of have to become not a different person, but maybe like like a better version of yourself in order to truly be there and the way that you need to be there for the person that you're with. And it takes a long time to kind of to I guess, become that version of yourself.

Uh.

Uh.

Yeah, So I think it's important that those two people have you know, like common interests for sure, common values. I mean, I mean the biggest one for us is, you know, we we grew up you know, metal heads. You know, I grew up in Las Vegas and he grew up in d r and then in Orlando when he came to the States, and we both were like goths and you know, stupid, but also we had fun. But you know, we've gone to metal shows together, We've gone to electronics shows together.