The title of this episode is the name of Ben Shewry's new book. It doesn't really represent the chat but I just loved the title because, over the years I've masterfully (and clumsily) turned my obsession (human behaviour) into a job, a business, a PhD Project, multiple books, a podcast and conveniently, a way to pay a few bills. If you don't know who Ben is, he is one of the most respected Chefs in the world and owner of the internationally renowned restaurant, Attica (it's been in the "World's 50 Best Restaurants' list for over a decade). Ben was my surprise interview of the last six months. I'm not sure what I expected going in to our conversation but coming out the other side, he was (is) an inspiration and revelation; deep-thinking, fiercely intelligent, creative, kind and as the title suggests, just a little obsessed. Enjoy.

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