Hello, Hello, and welcome to the second episode of the season on the Real DNA podcast. And I'm super super happy to say that my very dear friend, one of my best friends and incredibly talented host reporter, you call it one of the most important media figures in our tennis world.

Hello, Hello, and welcome to the second episode of the season on the Real DNA podcast. And I'm super super happy to say that my very dear friend, one of my best friends and incredibly talented host reporter, you call it one of the most important media figures in our tennis world.

Someone it's with me today, daughter pressure.

Someone it's with me today, daughter pressure.

I think there should be people disagreeing and people could seem be blushing.

I think there should be people disagreeing and people could seem be blushing.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

It is lovely. We finally made this happen. We've talked about this for a long time. Normally we're separated by a country, but we're finally in the same place at the same time.

It is lovely. We finally made this happen. We've talked about this for a long time. Normally we're separated by a country, but we're finally in the same place at the same time.

That's happening.

That's happening.

It's happening, and we do have to warn our listeners today this is going to be totally freestyle, off script because we were so busy, both of us, so in our defense, we really have time.

It's happening, and we do have to warn our listeners today this is going to be totally freestyle, off script because we were so busy, both of us, so in our defense, we really have time.

With the hours and everything slightly.

With the hours and everything slightly.

I've been up since five o'clock this morning because we did a show back in the UK, so it's now it's now nearly five o'clock in the afternoon, so slightly delirious.

I've been up since five o'clock this morning because we did a show back in the UK, so it's now it's now nearly five o'clock in the afternoon, so slightly delirious.

Right, So you were today ahead of me because I've been waking up since am. So you were Why have you been wakingup at six as because we've got a seven am because you do a seven A yeah morning, normally I'm not that early, but this morning it was up at five am because we had to do a show in the UK so for the evening morning. So by this point everything's just a little bit fuzzy, but fuzzy at this point, what about the beginning of the tournament and we get there, because we want to talk about the first week, but I hardly can remember or anything because.

Right, So you were today ahead of me because I've been waking up since am. So you were Why have you been wakingup at six as because we've got a seven am because you do a seven A yeah morning, normally I'm not that early, but this morning it was up at five am because we had to do a show in the UK so for the evening morning. So by this point everything's just a little bit fuzzy, but fuzzy at this point, what about the beginning of the tournament and we get there, because we want to talk about the first week, but I hardly can remember or anything because.

There was a little fog.

There was a little fog.

I don't know about you, but I did not see clearly things in the first few days. Just crossing the bridge from my from my whole hotel, walking to the side, I struggled to walk straight, but you do.

I don't know about you, but I did not see clearly things in the first few days. Just crossing the bridge from my from my whole hotel, walking to the side, I struggled to walk straight, but you do.

So much better with the jedlights. No.

So much better with the jedlights. No.

I nearly ran into the river Yarra because as I've got holder, I decide to take content. I wear content lenses and after a long flight and you're tied, your eyes are a bit so when I run in the morning, I don't use them because I don't want to see anybody. I know where I'm going, but I had jet lag and I nearly ran into the river.

I nearly ran into the river Yarra because as I've got holder, I decide to take content. I wear content lenses and after a long flight and you're tied, your eyes are a bit so when I run in the morning, I don't use them because I don't want to see anybody. I know where I'm going, but I had jet lag and I nearly ran into the river.

What's advantage for you you are the least on the right side of the river and streets here because you guys drive the same in London.

What's advantage for you you are the least on the right side of the river and streets here because you guys drive the same in London.

But I think either side of the street falling into the river is for.

But I think either side of the street falling into the river is for.

The rest of Europe like it's it's you know, we struggle to cross at the right time and then not to get run over.

The rest of Europe like it's it's you know, we struggle to cross at the right time and then not to get run over.

Just look for the little green person and you're going to be fined or I have a country.

Just look for the little green person and you're going to be fined or I have a country.

And honestly, the first few days I did struggle.

And honestly, the first few days I did struggle.

I think it's tough for everybody because we're all sort of coming from different parts of the world and it's completely upside down. And I think personally is like an older jet leg probably gets a little bit harder. And I don't sleep on planes, so when I got here, I was sort of yeah.

I think it's tough for everybody because we're all sort of coming from different parts of the world and it's completely upside down. And I think personally is like an older jet leg probably gets a little bit harder. And I don't sleep on planes, so when I got here, I was sort of yeah.

But you go straight to your routunities, routines, you do your morning grunts every day, you you do your avocado breakfast. You are like so clean and healthy, and I feel so guilty as.

But you go straight to your routunities, routines, you do your morning grunts every day, you you do your avocado breakfast. You are like so clean and healthy, and I feel so guilty as.

You do, know, such a good job.

You do, know, such a good job.

I think that the good weather makes you feel healthy, doesn't it. If you're somewhere with it's snowy and cold, you want potatoes and.

I think that the good weather makes you feel healthy, doesn't it. If you're somewhere with it's snowy and cold, you want potatoes and.

Pasta and just like, oh, but when you're here, you think it's sunny.

Pasta and just like, oh, but when you're here, you think it's sunny.

So I'm going to have something green and I'm going to go for a run and I'm going to be healthy.

So I'm going to have something green and I'm going to go for a run and I'm going to be healthy.

So I try.

So I try.

And when I'm at home, I have the children to look after, so I always say to myself, right, you've just got yourself to look after, so you have no excuse not to go for the run. But I did start wearing my contact lenses because nearly falling in the river.

And when I'm at home, I have the children to look after, so I always say to myself, right, you've just got yourself to look after, so you have no excuse not to go for the run. But I did start wearing my contact lenses because nearly falling in the river.

Well you could have done for a nice swimming Jim career.

Well you could have done for a nice swimming Jim career.

Wasn't the best start to the two weeks, I think. So that's one thing I have changed.

Wasn't the best start to the two weeks, I think. So that's one thing I have changed.

You know, what are we going to do this week?

You know, what are we going to do this week?

Because I was going to talk to you about nutritions and because the kind of the focus of the Really and podcast this season is on healthy lifestyle, longevity and stuff. So what do we do both of us to carry through the tough media weeks when the days are long and it gets overwhelming tiring.

Because I was going to talk to you about nutritions and because the kind of the focus of the Really and podcast this season is on healthy lifestyle, longevity and stuff. So what do we do both of us to carry through the tough media weeks when the days are long and it gets overwhelming tiring.

You don't drink coffee.

You don't drink coffee.

That's a huge advantage because I you have to say during Grand Slams, I end up at times.

That's a huge advantage because I you have to say during Grand Slams, I end up at times.

On forest presses today, So.

On forest presses today, So.

That that's a good thing because it keeps you not healthwise, but it keeps you going through the tournaments.

That that's a good thing because it keeps you not healthwise, but it keeps you going through the tournaments.

It does, but I don't know how you did it without the coss.

It does, but I don't know how you did it without the coss.

I've never drunk coffee, so I don't know, so it's not I don't want people thinking I'm missing, especially in Melbourney, and I've never drunk it.

I've never drunk coffee, so I don't know, so it's not I don't want people thinking I'm missing, especially in Melbourney, and I've never drunk it.

I've never tried it. We have to get you on this magic Melbourne.

I've never tried it. We have to get you on this magic Melbourne.

No, I know that's really strong. Can you imagine someone who's never tried coffee? If you give me one of those, I'll fly.

No, I know that's really strong. Can you imagine someone who's never tried coffee? If you give me one of those, I'll fly.

You do know what it is? No?

You do know what it is? No?

Oh, it's a special coffee they only do in Melbourne, right, not the rest of Australia. And it's a perfect combination of what I like, which is a long espresso with a little bit of ma kiato.

Oh, it's a special coffee they only do in Melbourne, right, not the rest of Australia. And it's a perfect combination of what I like, which is a long espresso with a little bit of ma kiato.

I think I'm talking to a different language.

I think I'm talking to a different language.

Well, there is a little bit of Italian, so you do have an excuse there.

Well, there is a little bit of Italian, so you do have an excuse there.

So it's basically a little bit of foam milk cofee. Your choice. I think you could do that.

So it's basically a little bit of foam milk cofee. Your choice. I think you could do that.

But it is strong though, so if you're dorink one in the morning, it carries you till the afternoon.

But it is strong though, so if you're dorink one in the morning, it carries you till the afternoon.

Interviews. Yeah, I would be I would be buzzing. I don't think it would be you do tea right, No, don't do tea at all.

Interviews. Yeah, I would be I would be buzzing. I don't think it would be you do tea right, No, don't do tea at all.

But as I've never done them, I don't miss them, so therefore I don't wake up. So I think maybe my run is that so when I come to a tournament. For me, it's very important to have routine when I'm at a tournament.

But as I've never done them, I don't miss them, so therefore I don't wake up. So I think maybe my run is that so when I come to a tournament. For me, it's very important to have routine when I'm at a tournament.

So do you keep a routine when everything changes in our job?

So do you keep a routine when everything changes in our job?

But I think when you're at a tournament, or Agan said, you can have that routine. I will get up at seven o'clock every morning, even if I've got to bed at two or three, I will call home and then I'll go for a run, and that is that sort of sets me up for the day. However tired I am apart from this morning because I got up at five o'clock. That I just try and have a routine, and I think that helps me, gives weirdly gives me energy.

But I think when you're at a tournament, or Agan said, you can have that routine. I will get up at seven o'clock every morning, even if I've got to bed at two or three, I will call home and then I'll go for a run, and that is that sort of sets me up for the day. However tired I am apart from this morning because I got up at five o'clock. That I just try and have a routine, and I think that helps me, gives weirdly gives me energy.

It does help us.

It does help us.

I think we all agree, all the broadcasters, that the more we exercise and the more active we stay even though we are super tired, that helps us to get through the tournament.

I think we all agree, all the broadcasters, that the more we exercise and the more active we stay even though we are super tired, that helps us to get through the tournament.

Yeah, and I think you need that because it's very in a very good way. A grand slammer or tournament is groundhog day. Eat, you get up and repeat, and I eat similar things. I did similar things. I'm like by day, I don't know what day we're on now, fifteen sixteen seventeen. When we arrived, I'm so fed up of what I'm eating, I'd say, I don't.

Yeah, and I think you need that because it's very in a very good way. A grand slammer or tournament is groundhog day. Eat, you get up and repeat, and I eat similar things. I did similar things. I'm like by day, I don't know what day we're on now, fifteen sixteen seventeen. When we arrived, I'm so fed up of what I'm eating, I'd say, I don't.

Want to Yeah, I don't want to see an I don't want to see sushi and avocadom for.

Want to Yeah, I don't want to see an I don't want to see sushi and avocadom for.

One hundred percent.

One hundred percent.

I just I can't because every day I'm like, I'll have the same thing, and that's worked, and you just get into that.

I just I can't because every day I'm like, I'll have the same thing, and that's worked, and you just get into that.

It's sort of survival mode.

It's sort of survival mode.

So I don't know if we're talking about health and nutrition and will as, I don't know whether that's the healthiest way to do it.

So I don't know if we're talking about health and nutrition and will as, I don't know whether that's the healthiest way to do it.

I definitely think, like you said, the routines help because there are so many changes during the day with our job.

I definitely think, like you said, the routines help because there are so many changes during the day with our job.

Well can you do this? Can you do that? Oh yeah, So I think, well, you're playing, and you're a player. The player was so much easier.

Well can you do this? Can you do that? Oh yeah, So I think, well, you're playing, and you're a player. The player was so much easier.

But now you're in the legends, in the mix and the doubles, and then you're presenting here, you're doing there, and you're doing that. I mean, you don't stop. I have sort of downtime in the morning because we're working on UK hours, so normally a slower morning. But then you're right, suddenly things go crazy and you find yourself twelve hours later sort of spat out the other end.

But now you're in the legends, in the mix and the doubles, and then you're presenting here, you're doing there, and you're doing that. I mean, you don't stop. I have sort of downtime in the morning because we're working on UK hours, so normally a slower morning. But then you're right, suddenly things go crazy and you find yourself twelve hours later sort of spat out the other end.

And you're like, I don't know where I am. I don't know what's going on.

And you're like, I don't know where I am. I don't know what's going on.

So I've also started taking vitamins as I get older. I never used to take them, but now I find they're very useful. And I know different ones for different people, but I've become quite religious and I will take them. Maybe it's a placebo effect, maybe I think it's making me feel better, but hey, whatever, whatever works.

So I've also started taking vitamins as I get older. I never used to take them, but now I find they're very useful. And I know different ones for different people, but I've become quite religious and I will take them. Maybe it's a placebo effect, maybe I think it's making me feel better, but hey, whatever, whatever works.

Yes, exactly.

Yes, exactly.

And how about the tiredness we feel after the grass like again talking.

And how about the tiredness we feel after the grass like again talking.

About fog, like first two three days when we come back home. I've never ever as a player been so tired coming home.

About fog, like first two three days when we come back home. I've never ever as a player been so tired coming home.

And I mentioned with you it's all the so hang on. You're more tired as a player or media when you media, by far.

And I mentioned with you it's all the so hang on. You're more tired as a player or media when you media, by far.

Because as a player, you actually have the day of you can walk down the Fifth Avenue in New York, or go to Central Park or have a nice walk here by the river.

Because as a player, you actually have the day of you can walk down the Fifth Avenue in New York, or go to Central Park or have a nice walk here by the river.

When do we get to do that?

When do we get to do that?

And it's that constant for because because everything's live, so you shouldn't really be doing too many mistakes, even though we not not you, but especially you know the language stuff. You know, when you around a twelve hour like Slovak War start to kick in the time you.

And it's that constant for because because everything's live, so you shouldn't really be doing too many mistakes, even though we not not you, but especially you know the language stuff. You know, when you around a twelve hour like Slovak War start to kick in the time you.

Did Wimbledon in German last year, I don't even know how that happened.

Did Wimbledon in German last year, I don't even know how that happened.

I was like, you said, yeah, I'm working for German.

I was like, you said, yeah, I'm working for German.

I was like, I mean, I mean the concentration, the focus, the tiders and the notemaking. You come into a Grand Slam there are players everywhere, and the notemaking by by this day, I'm like, oh, I'm making my note. I know there's only two players. I'm making notes on day, but you're getting to that point that I can't do it anymore. Yeah, I don't make any more notes any more.

I was like, I mean, I mean the concentration, the focus, the tiders and the notemaking. You come into a Grand Slam there are players everywhere, and the notemaking by by this day, I'm like, oh, I'm making my note. I know there's only two players. I'm making notes on day, but you're getting to that point that I can't do it anymore. Yeah, I don't make any more notes any more.

Facts.

Facts.

I know a lot of it's stored in there because you've seen a lot of them. But oh, you're you're broken. I'm largely broken when I leave a Grand Slam. I think that just sounds a bit dramatic.

I know a lot of it's stored in there because you've seen a lot of them. But oh, you're you're broken. I'm largely broken when I leave a Grand Slam. I think that just sounds a bit dramatic.

No, but I do have to say that I've been so lucky and blessed to be around you, Annabelle, and just because as we know, I've done so much stuff in London to be around you guys, as far as work ethic and how you prepare, how do they day?

No, but I do have to say that I've been so lucky and blessed to be around you, Annabelle, and just because as we know, I've done so much stuff in London to be around you guys, as far as work ethic and how you prepare, how do they day?

How would you prepare for a day Australian notewise.

How would you prepare for a day Australian notewise.

I have to say it has changed a lot of thanks to you, because you know, when you come off from the tour as a player, you kind of feel, oh, you know, I've seen it all, I know what I'm talking about, and then I see you, you know, sitting down writing the notes and as you can see now, most of the time, if I have the chance, I like to come prepared so then we can be as spontaneous as possible. It's definitely the preparation that gives you the confidence which I learned thanks to you. I realized that, oh my gosh, you guys have been around in the business so many more years than me. Why would I think I would just get away with a You know, I know these players, I've played against most of them, and they know me. So I was very lucky to kind of have the British school of media, if we can call it that way.

I have to say it has changed a lot of thanks to you, because you know, when you come off from the tour as a player, you kind of feel, oh, you know, I've seen it all, I know what I'm talking about, and then I see you, you know, sitting down writing the notes and as you can see now, most of the time, if I have the chance, I like to come prepared so then we can be as spontaneous as possible. It's definitely the preparation that gives you the confidence which I learned thanks to you. I realized that, oh my gosh, you guys have been around in the business so many more years than me. Why would I think I would just get away with a You know, I know these players, I've played against most of them, and they know me. So I was very lucky to kind of have the British school of media, if we can call it that way.

And you worked really hard. You worked really hard with on your voice as well. You said you were very just when you were working in the UK that the sound was. I mean, that's all. But that's a massive thing, isn't it. Because you wanted to be the best you could be. And some people again would have said, but I'm a form player and I'm from here, so you're just going to take it and this is me. But you actually really wanted to hone your craft, which not everyone does.

And you worked really hard. You worked really hard with on your voice as well. You said you were very just when you were working in the UK that the sound was. I mean, that's all. But that's a massive thing, isn't it. Because you wanted to be the best you could be. And some people again would have said, but I'm a form player and I'm from here, so you're just going to take it and this is me. But you actually really wanted to hone your craft, which not everyone does.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, that's true.

I just never forget my first British class when we were discussing potato potato morning, I felt like, oh my gosh, like that is so not going to be me.

I just never forget my first British class when we were discussing potato potato morning, I felt like, oh my gosh, like that is so not going to be me.

So actually it's like potato potato. You sounded I don't know who you sounded, but Irish, but it was good.

So actually it's like potato potato. You sounded I don't know who you sounded, but Irish, but it was good.

I'm like, oh my gosh, like this is so not the mean potato potato like a good morning mother. I just felt like I constantly kept laughing because I just couldn't believe that.

I'm like, oh my gosh, like this is so not the mean potato potato like a good morning mother. I just felt like I constantly kept laughing because I just couldn't believe that.

Good morning mother and potato, potato and tomato.

Good morning mother and potato, potato and tomato.

When you learn a new language, you learn to buy a return ticket, to make a reservation to go to the museum and can you show me away showing the way to the souper end.

When you learn a new language, you learn to buy a return ticket, to make a reservation to go to the museum and can you show me away showing the way to the souper end.

That the book is under table? Yeah, oh wow, Yeah, I'm next to the table.

That the book is under table? Yeah, oh wow, Yeah, I'm next to the table.

Is that the British lesson again? Yeah, British, German, Italian, Yeah.

Is that the British lesson again? Yeah, British, German, Italian, Yeah.

I never I've never heard about the book, but it's but again, in all seriousness, it shows your dedication for wanting to get it right. Because a lot of people, not just sport, but if they come from acting, sport, whatever, they just say, well, this is me, and you've hired me because I'm me, and I will just be me. But you wanted to kind of be the best you could be. And I really admire that because you didn't have you could just sit down with no notes and say I played her five times and this is what she can do, and there's her strengths and there's her weaknesses, and that's it, and it would have been fine. Everyone would have thought that's great because you as a form well number five are giving your view, but you were very conscious of wanting to perfect your trade in this profession.

I never I've never heard about the book, but it's but again, in all seriousness, it shows your dedication for wanting to get it right. Because a lot of people, not just sport, but if they come from acting, sport, whatever, they just say, well, this is me, and you've hired me because I'm me, and I will just be me. But you wanted to kind of be the best you could be. And I really admire that because you didn't have you could just sit down with no notes and say I played her five times and this is what she can do, and there's her strengths and there's her weaknesses, and that's it, and it would have been fine. Everyone would have thought that's great because you as a form well number five are giving your view, but you were very conscious of wanting to perfect your trade in this profession.

I just feel like I appreciated the opportunities, but I felt like coming from from the tour, maybe the name opens you the door, but then you just have to do the work, just like with everything else.

I just feel like I appreciated the opportunities, but I felt like coming from from the tour, maybe the name opens you the door, but then you just have to do the work, just like with everything else.

I felt, yeah, because there'll always be other people coming through, other people retiring and maybe they with the full well nun before the three. So I absolutely understand that some people won't do that because they don't feel they need to. But I know I really admire that. As I said, when you said look again the voice, the accent, I just thought you didn't need to, but you were put in that in which that was really good.

I felt, yeah, because there'll always be other people coming through, other people retiring and maybe they with the full well nun before the three. So I absolutely understand that some people won't do that because they don't feel they need to. But I know I really admire that. As I said, when you said look again the voice, the accent, I just thought you didn't need to, but you were put in that in which that was really good.

Well again, it's you know, thanks to you. I never said you potato potassa.

Well again, it's you know, thanks to you. I never said you potato potassa.

Well it's not that, but I did manage to trop you off the rhythm a couple of times when we did the Rolangaa's Life, when let's just say we were supposed to make predictions maybe twenty five minutes into the half and basically.

Well it's not that, but I did manage to trop you off the rhythm a couple of times when we did the Rolangaa's Life, when let's just say we were supposed to make predictions maybe twenty five minutes into the half and basically.

The whole final of Rossy. The whole point was to make that build up and I.

The whole final of Rossy. The whole point was to make that build up and I.

Planned it for hours, this wonderful show that would weave its way to a path and the final couple of minutes the players are about to come out, say Danny, what's your prediction for the final? And two minutes in he said, well, never, your c is going to win.

Planned it for hours, this wonderful show that would weave its way to a path and the final couple of minutes the players are about to come out, say Danny, what's your prediction for the final? And two minutes in he said, well, never, your c is going to win.

Its like great, otherwise it would be tweeted for you.

Its like great, otherwise it would be tweeted for you.

Well, I mean, okay, you're such a professional, you'll look so I said, great.

Well, I mean, okay, you're such a professional, you'll look so I said, great.

You gave me the look.

You gave me the look.

I was like, let's analyze his opponent, who's going to lose, but let's talk about how he can win.

I was like, let's analyze his opponent, who's going to lose, but let's talk about how he can win.

He's not going to win because you said he's going to lose.

He's not going to win because you said he's going to lose.

I guess another part of Live TV, isn't it It's it's adapting because anything can happen at any time. I mean some of the things we've talked about in there this week, we were talking about reindeer balls and warts and you just go down roads and you have to.

I guess another part of Live TV, isn't it It's it's adapting because anything can happen at any time. I mean some of the things we've talked about in there this week, we were talking about reindeer balls and warts and you just go down roads and you have to.

Well, we talked about half an hour trying to convince someone that avocado is actually a good thing. But it is I mean, I mean not be even a yeah, and that is right, And I think that was they.

Well, we talked about half an hour trying to convince someone that avocado is actually a good thing. But it is I mean, I mean not be even a yeah, and that is right, And I think that was they.

Need they need to know. So let's just clarify avocado and it's good for you. If we're talking health and fitness and well being. You know what.

Need they need to know. So let's just clarify avocado and it's good for you. If we're talking health and fitness and well being. You know what.

I just came up with the with our little logo, it should be avocado, and it was longevity. It's good, lifestyle, it's health, it's squishy. But it's like, yeah, hey, we said we were like this kind of a situation here, so just to be a little bit more creative.

I just came up with the with our little logo, it should be avocado, and it was longevity. It's good, lifestyle, it's health, it's squishy. But it's like, yeah, hey, we said we were like this kind of a situation here, so just to be a little bit more creative.

I think we had no avocado.

I think we had no avocado.

People think expect us talk about food a lot, and well.

People think expect us talk about food a lot, and well.

I do want to talk a little bit about especially when we'll be in Indian Wells or Roland Garros.

I do want to talk a little bit about especially when we'll be in Indian Wells or Roland Garros.

We don't kind of.

We don't kind of.

I think he used the experience of you know, we traveled so much of the world, and as the tennis players, we are quite picky where we eat.

I think he used the experience of you know, we traveled so much of the world, and as the tennis players, we are quite picky where we eat.

What did you eat? What was your pretty much meal? It depends where it changed over the years. It did change here.

What did you eat? What was your pretty much meal? It depends where it changed over the years. It did change here.

Yeah, here was actually the first time actually had a smashed avocado on a toss. I was like, I felt like I was killing it, like you January, I'm having a toss with avocado, like I've.

Yeah, here was actually the first time actually had a smashed avocado on a toss. I was like, I felt like I was killing it, like you January, I'm having a toss with avocado, like I've.

Made it big time. Doesn't matter whether I win here or not.

Made it big time. Doesn't matter whether I win here or not.

That was that was big in the in the old players lounge.

That was that was big in the in the old players lounge.

Oh my gosh, how much it has changed.

Oh my gosh, how much it has changed.

I have to say this is probably the tournament with one of the best food.

I have to say this is probably the tournament with one of the best food.

The variety you go.

The variety you go.

I mean what we've got now three floors pretty much of different choices, starting on the ground level of it, incredible coffee, snacks, fruits, kind of a breakfast situation. Then the main player restaurant. I mean anything you can imagine, like if you don't find something you need.

I mean what we've got now three floors pretty much of different choices, starting on the ground level of it, incredible coffee, snacks, fruits, kind of a breakfast situation. Then the main player restaurant. I mean anything you can imagine, like if you don't find something you need.

It's amazing.

It's amazing.

Yeah, they cater and they need to kate well for you guys, your athletes, you need to be And I have to say, from media point of view, this is the best thing. If I think across the slams, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna name and shame, but I would say here it's it's really good because you can have some and they give you some money on your accreditations. It's a limited amount, which really helps if you're doing really long hours. But you can get healthy snacks. There's healthy drinks, there's healthy food, there's salads. Yeah, you can have chips and pizza if you want you want to, but it's easy to stay healthy.

Yeah, they cater and they need to kate well for you guys, your athletes, you need to be And I have to say, from media point of view, this is the best thing. If I think across the slams, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna name and shame, but I would say here it's it's really good because you can have some and they give you some money on your accreditations. It's a limited amount, which really helps if you're doing really long hours. But you can get healthy snacks. There's healthy drinks, there's healthy food, there's salads. Yeah, you can have chips and pizza if you want you want to, but it's easy to stay healthy.

And in the in the media rooms.

And in the in the media rooms.

So I'm sometimes in the radio room in the evening head of the night session, they bring around a basket of ice creams. That's cool, Well, it is cool, but on day fifteen, when you've said yes every day, it's not cool. So I have to actually leave before they come around because I can't say no. Someone's offering you an ice cream. I mean I know, I actually know your will pow is good. I can't say no. So I have to make sure because it's an ice cream and I want to eat it.

So I'm sometimes in the radio room in the evening head of the night session, they bring around a basket of ice creams. That's cool, Well, it is cool, but on day fifteen, when you've said yes every day, it's not cool. So I have to actually leave before they come around because I can't say no. Someone's offering you an ice cream. I mean I know, I actually know your will pow is good. I can't say no. So I have to make sure because it's an ice cream and I want to eat it.

So I can't believe I'm laughing because I'm actually people that really know me well, I don't say no to ice cream, but in summer like holidays.

So I can't believe I'm laughing because I'm actually people that really know me well, I don't say no to ice cream, but in summer like holidays.

To me, ice cream is holidays. But it's an echo.

To me, ice cream is holidays. But it's an echo.

Like when I'm working, I don't see ice cream anywhere near meal, but when it's when passed you after dinner, you are or you need to.

Like when I'm working, I don't see ice cream anywhere near meal, but when it's when passed you after dinner, you are or you need to.

Not not the tournaments, but someone walks past you and you're sat at your desk and they see Johns and ice cream just say yes. I mean, it's automatic reaction. So I've had to make sure that I'm normally in the contours. But I have to make sure if I see her coming, I run to the toilet because I have zero willpower.

Not not the tournaments, but someone walks past you and you're sat at your desk and they see Johns and ice cream just say yes. I mean, it's automatic reaction. So I've had to make sure that I'm normally in the contours. But I have to make sure if I see her coming, I run to the toilet because I have zero willpower.

We're going to teach you to say no. Yeah, I can't say no. That's the mission of this scream coming around. So no.

We're going to teach you to say no. Yeah, I can't say no. That's the mission of this scream coming around. So no.

They look after you really well. And there's there's a cocktail hour for the media for journalists. I don't go to it because again I'm based somewhere else, but at five o'clock they can go and have a soft drink and alcoholic drink.

They look after you really well. And there's there's a cocktail hour for the media for journalists. I don't go to it because again I'm based somewhere else, but at five o'clock they can go and have a soft drink and alcoholic drink.

There's some snacks they get to just alcohol. Really I say anything then when normally.

There's some snacks they get to just alcohol. Really I say anything then when normally.

Normally it's the written journalist because they might write anything, but it depends how much they I guess a glass with a drink, but it's and the sun, a little bit of heat, lots of alcohol. But I think it's nice because it gets them away from their desks.

Normally it's the written journalist because they might write anything, but it depends how much they I guess a glass with a drink, but it's and the sun, a little bit of heat, lots of alcohol. But I think it's nice because it gets them away from their desks.

If there should like WT finals the last minute, that's when I drink because I don't drink at all, and we all commentain that much like that to get.

If there should like WT finals the last minute, that's when I drink because I don't drink at all, and we all commentain that much like that to get.

Help at the finals in react that would.

Help at the finals in react that would.

Be difficult, Yes, would be tricky, but just going back to the player player kind of meal situation, I would say, I like to rise over pasta.

Be difficult, Yes, would be tricky, but just going back to the player player kind of meal situation, I would say, I like to rise over pasta.

It just made me a little bit lighter.

It just made me a little bit lighter.

Obviously a little bit of proteins or chicken, some veggies, and it depends so much. When it's hot, you just don't want to have too much of a full stomach, So super lighte and a lot of a lot of gels during the match, dry fruit and yeah, I've taken so many of them that the day I retired, banana and gel.

Obviously a little bit of proteins or chicken, some veggies, and it depends so much. When it's hot, you just don't want to have too much of a full stomach, So super lighte and a lot of a lot of gels during the match, dry fruit and yeah, I've taken so many of them that the day I retired, banana and gel.

I don't want to be near anywhere near And.

I don't want to be near anywhere near And.

Were you superstitious in that if you want a good run at a tournament and you went to a restaurant and had something you had to have.

Were you superstitious in that if you want a good run at a tournament and you went to a restaurant and had something you had to have.

Seriously as you were when you rest you know what, we go seed of same seats, yes, same sitting sit and did everyone else have to eat si as wells your team.

Seriously as you were when you rest you know what, we go seed of same seats, yes, same sitting sit and did everyone else have to eat si as wells your team.

So they were very very careful what they were choosing on the first day of the tournament. But you know what, with my team, I did not force them to do that, but they just kind of very happy to join the party. So here when I made the semis, it was pretty much fourteen days in a row.

So they were very very careful what they were choosing on the first day of the tournament. But you know what, with my team, I did not force them to do that, but they just kind of very happy to join the party. So here when I made the semis, it was pretty much fourteen days in a row.

It was day off, cocos and match day. NOBU, that's not bad. Yeah, I wouldn't bind that. That's quite a good retick.

It was day off, cocos and match day. NOBU, that's not bad. Yeah, I wouldn't bind that. That's quite a good retick.

But I find it so interesting the way large ofly is athletes. I'm not saying people in normal lifetime. I suppose I'm the same at a grandsam. It's not a superstition, but I have the same thing.

But I find it so interesting the way large ofly is athletes. I'm not saying people in normal lifetime. I suppose I'm the same at a grandsam. It's not a superstition, but I have the same thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think one of the defense and.

I think one of the defense and.

Excuse to have this crazy superstitious stuff is because our daily life is so uncertain and there's so many changes, whether you're doing media or as a player on the court during the match you have to constantly adjust to something, and you are all constantly living in this When do you play. I don't know when you're going to be home. I don't know where you're going to be next Wednesday.

Excuse to have this crazy superstitious stuff is because our daily life is so uncertain and there's so many changes, whether you're doing media or as a player on the court during the match you have to constantly adjust to something, and you are all constantly living in this When do you play. I don't know when you're going to be home. I don't know where you're going to be next Wednesday.

I don't know.

I don't know.

So you give yourself routine and something kind of to look forward to.

So you give yourself routine and something kind of to look forward to.

That's certain in a way. Yeah, that makes sense to kind of have a normal life.

That's certain in a way. Yeah, that makes sense to kind of have a normal life.

If like a treat was also seen as a true like just just you know, like when you see.

If like a treat was also seen as a true like just just you know, like when you see.

Food is a treat or was it fuel? Was fuel?

Food is a treat or was it fuel? Was fuel?

Because you're constantly thinking, as a professional, Okay, what my body needs because it is it is my it is the tool how I get where I It's like you know, a computer when when you bring a computer to the office.

Because you're constantly thinking, as a professional, Okay, what my body needs because it is it is my it is the tool how I get where I It's like you know, a computer when when you bring a computer to the office.

So there was the cost. So that was a nice feeling.

So there was the cost. So that was a nice feeling.

When you retire, you kind of you have you can start actually just eat what you enjoy and not having to worry how much that is going to I.

When you retire, you kind of you have you can start actually just eat what you enjoy and not having to worry how much that is going to I.

Guess you have to affect your performance.

Guess you have to affect your performance.

I would imagine it always have to be quite careful though, because you're not exercising as much. I imagine that you know so much changes. So yes, suddenly you can eat whatever you want, but you're not the output.

I would imagine it always have to be quite careful though, because you're not exercising as much. I imagine that you know so much changes. So yes, suddenly you can eat whatever you want, but you're not the output.

Well, in a way, it's actually easier because as a player, you always worried, at least in my case, maybe because my metabolism was so quick, I was always worried. Okay, do I have enough energy? So you tend to You always eat more where you.

Well, in a way, it's actually easier because as a player, you always worried, at least in my case, maybe because my metabolism was so quick, I was always worried. Okay, do I have enough energy? So you tend to You always eat more where you.

Know when you know when you're not performing. You don't feel like I guess eating that well. I mean there, we're very different people, you know what. I'm just loving the fact how much we are going.

Know when you know when you're not performing. You don't feel like I guess eating that well. I mean there, we're very different people, you know what. I'm just loving the fact how much we are going.

About talking at all about what I wrote down. But this is why I love it.

About talking at all about what I wrote down. But this is why I love it.

That's fine.

That's fine.

I feel like we can keep chatting for another two three hours. I think by then we might have a problem with our networks and we might be fired.

I feel like we can keep chatting for another two three hours. I think by then we might have a problem with our networks and we might be fired.

So yeah, I think we might might be like.

So yeah, I think we might might be like.

So we might actually do this one really quickly and get to a few points I wanted to discuss with you, and then let's just plan for Indian wells. I think that would be our next tournament where we see each other and we discuss food, we discuss superstitious.

So we might actually do this one really quickly and get to a few points I wanted to discuss with you, and then let's just plan for Indian wells. I think that would be our next tournament where we see each other and we discuss food, we discuss superstitious.

We discuss go we discuss restaurant situation in the desert. Yeah, sorry, loving you, I could live there. I could.

We discuss go we discuss restaurant situation in the desert. Yeah, sorry, loving you, I could live there. I could.

I know they play a lot of golf. I don't play golf, and you could still, but I think so someone's in the everage age is quite old.

I know they play a lot of golf. I don't play golf, and you could still, but I think so someone's in the everage age is quite old.

It's being younger though.

It's being younger though.

I think uring COVID, A lot of young families from LA started to come over and it's changing big time.

I think uring COVID, A lot of young families from LA started to come over and it's changing big time.

So I nearly on my runs, I was in my routine, I onally got run over by a golf buggy being driven by a lady who's probably at least about one hundred yep. She had nearly knocked me over, and I was like, oh my word. And I don't play golf. I don't think I ever will, but I think I could still live there. So if I buy a house there, you.

So I nearly on my runs, I was in my routine, I onally got run over by a golf buggy being driven by a lady who's probably at least about one hundred yep. She had nearly knocked me over, and I was like, oh my word. And I don't play golf. I don't think I ever will, but I think I could still live there. So if I buy a house there, you.

At how sicky?

At how sicky?

You know what? Since since the first time, I is that a new word?

You know what? Since since the first time, I is that a new word?

You look after it for you when you're somewhere else in the world. I'll house sit, make sure it's fine.

You look after it for you when you're somewhere else in the world. I'll house sit, make sure it's fine.

You know what.

You know what.

This has been on my mind since, I hope real estate generally listening to this since I won Indian Wells the first time. So I was nineteen long time and I said I want to live in the desert.

This has been on my mind since, I hope real estate generally listening to this since I won Indian Wells the first time. So I was nineteen long time and I said I want to live in the desert.

Nineteen Oh, I'm quite young to want to move to Doner. You got happy memories that come. You've got super happy memories and it's just a special place. Yeah.

Nineteen Oh, I'm quite young to want to move to Doner. You got happy memories that come. You've got super happy memories and it's just a special place. Yeah.

The energy is just I love it. I love mountains, palm trees, sunshine. I just it's so laid back, and so I find it difficult to go to Miami because Miami I'll be like rushed. My first morning in Miami, I went to an exercise class, went to Barry's boot Camp, and the instructor said, be careful when you go back to your hotel because there are crocodiles around. And I'm thinking, and she then proceeded to tell us how to escape from a croc Do you know how you escape from a crocodile?

The energy is just I love it. I love mountains, palm trees, sunshine. I just it's so laid back, and so I find it difficult to go to Miami because Miami I'll be like rushed. My first morning in Miami, I went to an exercise class, went to Barry's boot Camp, and the instructor said, be careful when you go back to your hotel because there are crocodiles around. And I'm thinking, and she then proceeded to tell us how to escape from a croc Do you know how you escape from a crocodile?

You have to run in exactly Yes.

You have to run in exactly Yes.

I didn't know this, and I've you know, I've just come from Indian Wells, super relaxed, really chilled.

I didn't know this, and I've you know, I've just come from Indian Wells, super relaxed, really chilled.

I could run for miles and up the hills and.

I could run for miles and up the hills and.

Then suddenly I'm been todding to be eaten by a crocodile on day one in Miami.

Then suddenly I'm been todding to be eaten by a crocodile on day one in Miami.

It is quite unfortunate for Miami to be right after Indian Wells, because I feel like any tournament after Indian Wells is going to feel it'll bit.

It is quite unfortunate for Miami to be right after Indian Wells, because I feel like any tournament after Indian Wells is going to feel it'll bit.

Like, yeah, we would be. Doesn't the players preferred it for the condition? No, I don't know.

Like, yeah, we would be. Doesn't the players preferred it for the condition? No, I don't know.

Try to find a player that will tell you that I prefer I mean, Miami is an amazing tournament, and we love James Blake and he has done such an incredible work with it, and and I love the new new venue.

Try to find a player that will tell you that I prefer I mean, Miami is an amazing tournament, and we love James Blake and he has done such an incredible work with it, and and I love the new new venue.

It's just the contrast. Oh, it couldn't it can be. It couldn't be greater.

It's just the contrast. Oh, it couldn't it can be. It couldn't be greater.

So I feel like if you were going Miami first and then Indian Wells, you'd have the sort of intensity and relax and also playing wise.

So I feel like if you were going Miami first and then Indian Wells, you'd have the sort of intensity and relax and also playing wise.

Oh I love how how we skipped Australia.

Oh I love how how we skipped Australia.

It was, but just to say, coming from Miami then to Indian Wells for players would be much easier to adjust than going the other way around. Because even when I won Indian Wells and I was playing really well, by my first practice in Miami, I was like, oh my gosh, like I can't feel the ball, I'm out of my bread because of the humidity constantly windy, or of the new venue helps it's much more protected. But when we were on Keepy's skin, it was just it was not fun. It was it was it was busy, it was.

It was, but just to say, coming from Miami then to Indian Wells for players would be much easier to adjust than going the other way around. Because even when I won Indian Wells and I was playing really well, by my first practice in Miami, I was like, oh my gosh, like I can't feel the ball, I'm out of my bread because of the humidity constantly windy, or of the new venue helps it's much more protected. But when we were on Keepy's skin, it was just it was not fun. It was it was it was busy, it was.

It was Miami.

It was Miami.

Yeah, it Wasami so crocodiles madness and okay, let's let's just stay for five minutes.

Yeah, it Wasami so crocodiles madness and okay, let's let's just stay for five minutes.

Okay, let's do sorry, let's do a super quick kind of reviews. What what happened first week? What did catch our eyes? What happened?

Okay, let's do sorry, let's do a super quick kind of reviews. What what happened first week? What did catch our eyes? What happened?

Well, it's tough to say because there, as we said, there was a lot of folk.

Well, it's tough to say because there, as we said, there was a lot of folk.

I have a lot of who I'm working for the BBC. I have a lot of focus on the British players, so I find coming into a Grand Slam. Initially, so for us, it was how wild Jack Draper do? The British got to the semifinals in America and he had an injury over preseason, wasn't able to go and train with Colors al Choraz, So how is he going to be emmea Radacani.

I have a lot of who I'm working for the BBC. I have a lot of focus on the British players, so I find coming into a Grand Slam. Initially, so for us, it was how wild Jack Draper do? The British got to the semifinals in America and he had an injury over preseason, wasn't able to go and train with Colors al Choraz, So how is he going to be emmea Radacani.

There's always so much focusing.

There's always so much focusing.

Well, we can talk about it because that match, you know, by the time she was playing Schianta, I thought she was hitting the balls. Well, she's starting to look physically much much stronger, working with a great fitness code.

Well, we can talk about it because that match, you know, by the time she was playing Schianta, I thought she was hitting the balls. Well, she's starting to look physically much much stronger, working with a great fitness code.

Inta.

Inta.

Yes, I felt like that's where IgA was starting to make a big statement.

Yes, I felt like that's where IgA was starting to make a big statement.

I think it showed the gap that there still is and I don't think we should be surprised because Emma's rankings around sixty and she's still making her way back and she's only just got together with the atarkis.

I think it showed the gap that there still is and I don't think we should be surprised because Emma's rankings around sixty and she's still making her way back and she's only just got together with the atarkis.

Right, I imagine.

Right, I imagine.

I don't know, when you go with a strengthen conditioning coach, they have to get to know your body.

I don't know, when you go with a strengthen conditioning coach, they have to get to know your body.

Your body has to get to know what months with it.

Your body has to get to know what months with it.

So but I think the expectations on her are so high now. I'm sure that result did sting of courses. This is something who's won a Grand Slam title.

So but I think the expectations on her are so high now. I'm sure that result did sting of courses. This is something who's won a Grand Slam title.

I don't think it should sting because of the way Ega was playing that. I mean, it was one of the best matches I've I've seen her play, was the best match she played here in the stagament until the semi finals, where we're going to talk about it very quickly, but to me, that was one of the best ones I've ever seen. Let's quickly mention the one I absolutely loved the story of young kid from Brazil eighteen years Yeah, I.

I don't think it should sting because of the way Ega was playing that. I mean, it was one of the best matches I've I've seen her play, was the best match she played here in the stagament until the semi finals, where we're going to talk about it very quickly, but to me, that was one of the best ones I've ever seen. Let's quickly mention the one I absolutely loved the story of young kid from Brazil eighteen years Yeah, I.

Mean, I'm like God, but everyone you speak to and this is crazy players, current players, form players, they all say he's the real deal.

Mean, I'm like God, but everyone you speak to and this is crazy players, current players, form players, they all say he's the real deal.

Yep, that's what I think, And I mean the way he hits the ball.

Yep, that's what I think, And I mean the way he hits the ball.

I do feel like the rackets have made such a difference this year, Gig and I feel like ninety percent of the matches Dennis has raised to another level. It is thanks to the strings, thanks to the rackets. I have to say, I use the same brand. The Yournix racket just gives you so much control. Really so in his case, for Seka, it feels like he can rip the ball as hard as he wants to. I mean, with was not playing bad, No he wasn't. He was the tie break like he ha's a match point, doesn't take it. Then they go into the tie break.

I do feel like the rackets have made such a difference this year, Gig and I feel like ninety percent of the matches Dennis has raised to another level. It is thanks to the strings, thanks to the rackets. I have to say, I use the same brand. The Yournix racket just gives you so much control. Really so in his case, for Seka, it feels like he can rip the ball as hard as he wants to. I mean, with was not playing bad, No he wasn't. He was the tie break like he ha's a match point, doesn't take it. Then they go into the tie break.

What does he do? He goes for it even more.

What does he do? He goes for it even more.

I mean, and I love that. But that's the exuberance of youth. They haven't got the scar tissue. Someone like on the is covered in scars and all the older players. But the young guys coming through, they are going to rip it, They're going to charge, They're going to go for a lot of them incredible, that section of them on sacred among them have that Ben Shelton, I know he's a little bit older now, but they have that belief and I love it. They have the belief that they can go out there and do something.

I mean, and I love that. But that's the exuberance of youth. They haven't got the scar tissue. Someone like on the is covered in scars and all the older players. But the young guys coming through, they are going to rip it, They're going to charge, They're going to go for a lot of them incredible, that section of them on sacred among them have that Ben Shelton, I know he's a little bit older now, but they have that belief and I love it. They have the belief that they can go out there and do something.

Yes, but then at the same time, when you're dead young, you might get a little bit tired.

Yes, but then at the same time, when you're dead young, you might get a little bit tired.

Oh this is a huge occasion. I'm playing rub Blov.

Oh this is a huge occasion. I'm playing rub Blov.

I mean, if I win this, met him, never even for one second about it.

I mean, if I win this, met him, never even for one second about it.

You did not blame. There's where we kind of start to say, Okay, here's the real deal. He's eighteen.

You did not blame. There's where we kind of start to say, Okay, here's the real deal. He's eighteen.

For people who haven't seen him, go on YouTube find some match footage because he is so exciting. He's fun to watch. He talks really well, and you think he's still young. In his press conference he seems like a really nice boy kid child, still young. But I'm so excited because there was so much talk about, you know, the Big three and in the women's game, the likes of Serena Williams, you know, when they moved aside, what would happen? Where's this next generation coming from? And I think we're so lucky across both that we've got these exciting players coming through.

For people who haven't seen him, go on YouTube find some match footage because he is so exciting. He's fun to watch. He talks really well, and you think he's still young. In his press conference he seems like a really nice boy kid child, still young. But I'm so excited because there was so much talk about, you know, the Big three and in the women's game, the likes of Serena Williams, you know, when they moved aside, what would happen? Where's this next generation coming from? And I think we're so lucky across both that we've got these exciting players coming through.

I think that's the general feeling of this this year Australian Open. I think that's why it went by so quickly, Like how are we already in the Saturday final? Because there is so much excitement and we are not even mentioning Serena anymore. Roger Rafa. We do miss them big time. But there is there are so many stories that I mean, we could be literally sitting here for the next five six hours and just summing up the first week because there was so much, so much happening.

I think that's the general feeling of this this year Australian Open. I think that's why it went by so quickly, Like how are we already in the Saturday final? Because there is so much excitement and we are not even mentioning Serena anymore. Roger Rafa. We do miss them big time. But there is there are so many stories that I mean, we could be literally sitting here for the next five six hours and just summing up the first week because there was so much, so much happening.

How about Olga Danilovic, I think we're gonna hear a lot from her, Do you think so? I think so?

How about Olga Danilovic, I think we're gonna hear a lot from her, Do you think so? I think so?

Yeah, you know, the lifety big serve. She's a tall girl getting stronger physically. That's one thing, let's not forget. With Fonseca eighteen and I feel he's very, very strong physically already. You know, so many times with these young kids we say, yeah, potential, but they still need to work on their fitness.

Yeah, you know, the lifety big serve. She's a tall girl getting stronger physically. That's one thing, let's not forget. With Fonseca eighteen and I feel he's very, very strong physically already. You know, so many times with these young kids we say, yeah, potential, but they still need to work on their fitness.

But I don't feel that way with him. He's ready, yeah exactly.

But I don't feel that way with him. He's ready, yeah exactly.

I think that he's ready to go, and you're kind of like, wow, he's I think, yeah, she's she's got a great game. She's I think she's matching so much talk. Isn't she going with all black? So there's a kind of she's like a celebrity couple of boyfriend's gold and explain, right, yeah, but she though, I think the way she carries herself, the way she plays a height, her physique, her shots, her confidence. I think when it all comes together, I think it's quite exciting. I enjoyed watching her. I think I will enjoy watching her. And it's what I love about the first Grand Slam of the year. You come in with storylines. This is what we're thinking. You know, will know that Jokovic win title number eleven and twenty five overall, et cetera, et cetera. But I love these other people, eve Lise, the German loser. So you're not in the competition, you're on site waiting around. All right, you got ten minutes notice and you're out on court and you have to go on court. I know, only do that you get through to the fourth round. It's life changing. The amount of money she can now plan her year, she can hire people for she had torment belts. I think with her in her fourth round match, it's that's what I love it.

I think that he's ready to go, and you're kind of like, wow, he's I think, yeah, she's she's got a great game. She's I think she's matching so much talk. Isn't she going with all black? So there's a kind of she's like a celebrity couple of boyfriend's gold and explain, right, yeah, but she though, I think the way she carries herself, the way she plays a height, her physique, her shots, her confidence. I think when it all comes together, I think it's quite exciting. I enjoyed watching her. I think I will enjoy watching her. And it's what I love about the first Grand Slam of the year. You come in with storylines. This is what we're thinking. You know, will know that Jokovic win title number eleven and twenty five overall, et cetera, et cetera. But I love these other people, eve Lise, the German loser. So you're not in the competition, you're on site waiting around. All right, you got ten minutes notice and you're out on court and you have to go on court. I know, only do that you get through to the fourth round. It's life changing. The amount of money she can now plan her year, she can hire people for she had torment belts. I think with her in her fourth round match, it's that's what I love it.

The points.

The points.

I know you're always chasing points, but the money you can make at Grand Slam level. Someone like she said it herself, this changes everything, and I just think it's I think it's yeah, it was a step too far ultimately, but the tests get tough and tournaments like this. But that's what I love about tournaments, the names that we're hearing that maybe we don't know as much about, we're going to learn about, and making their name name.

I know you're always chasing points, but the money you can make at Grand Slam level. Someone like she said it herself, this changes everything, and I just think it's I think it's yeah, it was a step too far ultimately, but the tests get tough and tournaments like this. But that's what I love about tournaments, the names that we're hearing that maybe we don't know as much about, we're going to learn about, and making their name name.

And I don't want to not a name.

And I don't want to not a name.

I just quickly want to touch up on because she is a near friend Belling Dubuntu. How cool is it to see her playing the way she she is, I mean against Naomi as she had to retire by she was playing some of her best thenis though I think you were going to hear her.

I just quickly want to touch up on because she is a near friend Belling Dubuntu. How cool is it to see her playing the way she she is, I mean against Naomi as she had to retire by she was playing some of her best thenis though I think you were going to hear her.

Yeah, I can't imagine. I've had children, but therefore I cannot imagine. And as quickly I'm a name Aska and name your Soarker did say, look, guys, you've got to remember I have this sort of eleap team around me getting me into the place where I can come back. She said, I know this is not the normal world where you would do this, but still, I mean, Belinda Benchich, her daughter Bella is out here with her, But just to be able to have that juggle, because as you know, you've got to be so committed to what you were doing to play like she is playing. After that amount of time of having her daughter, I think, you know, I think it's great that she has come back, and I think it's great that she's come back at the level she has because I think if it hadn't worked out, maybe she'd have got a bit despondent. But she will go away thinking I can still do this and I'm still young. He's still young, and there's there's more to come. Yeah, absolutely, I think it's Yeah. I love yeah stories like that, I think, and I.