Kids see if welcome to the podcast.

Kids see if welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

Great to have you on tel Strip Businesswoman of the Year in twenty eighteen and then what was it, number twenty nine the AFRs Fast Starters and then a Telstrip Business of the Year and around Health.

Great to have you on tel Strip Businesswoman of the Year in twenty eighteen and then what was it, number twenty nine the AFRs Fast Starters and then a Telstrip Business of the Year and around Health.

Yeah, both both Telstrap Businesses the Year twenty nineteen, two thousand and twenty two. Yeah, Victorian Business of the Year and Champion Championing Health in twenty twenty two.

Yeah, both both Telstrap Businesses the Year twenty nineteen, two thousand and twenty two. Yeah, Victorian Business of the Year and Champion Championing Health in twenty twenty two.

Pretty cool.

Pretty cool.

And presumably then it's all been very smooth ceiling in terms of business. No issues whatsoever, no staffing issues, none of that carry on.

And presumably then it's all been very smooth ceiling in terms of business. No issues whatsoever, no staffing issues, none of that carry on.

No, this is business in Victoria. It's simple here.

No, this is business in Victoria. It's simple here.

And so seriously a lot of people think that, ah yeah, look at these people running businesses and they think it's just it's pretty cruisy.

And so seriously a lot of people think that, ah yeah, look at these people running businesses and they think it's just it's pretty cruisy.

Right. There's a lot of challenges, isn't there and running a business.

Right. There's a lot of challenges, isn't there and running a business.

Yeah, there is, And I think the breakdown for me was looking at all the different components of a small business and you don't have departments and heads of and hundreds of people to do the work. You have all of these different areas of the business that you need to do all of the work in and it's a lot more complicated than it looks from the outside.

Yeah, there is, And I think the breakdown for me was looking at all the different components of a small business and you don't have departments and heads of and hundreds of people to do the work. You have all of these different areas of the business that you need to do all of the work in and it's a lot more complicated than it looks from the outside.

Yes, indeed, tell us a little bit about your experience on Shark Tank.

Yes, indeed, tell us a little bit about your experience on Shark Tank.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I went on Shark Tank. We filmed in twenty sixteen, and funnily enough, I thought my biggest problem going on the show was going to be getting home with the big check, and I was thinking it'd be one of those you know, people sized checks that you get that you don't want to fold and put on the plane. You want to frame it when you get home. But unfortunately there was no check, even though there was a deal made on air. But I found out much later on that out of one hundred episodes that made it to air in Australia in this particular season, for the many seasons of Shark Tank prior to its hiatus and coming back again this year, there was fifty of us roughly that had deals on air, but only three of us that I saw a dollar to my knowledge, and that's what the media reported as well. So my experience certainly wasn't walking out with a check. I had a deal. However, the TV show did not go to air for around ten months after we filmed, and so I thought it was actually never going to air. And we were prepping that maybe something's going to happen. So every month, without fail, they'd say it's going to air this month, and it just didn't. The show just didn't start. And even scarier than that, I think we thought we were going to get this money that was going to help us build the business and scale and knocked on the door of the investors every single month and it was just a flat out no. They'd done due diligence. They closed it. There was no deal. However, when we finally did go to air, it beat all of our expectations. So I'd said to my production manager at the time, let's prepare, you know, eight hundred boxes worth of our Beefit Food Silver Special Box. It's a one week program of food. And because this promise kept getting stretched out of when we'd go to air, it just I think everyone got sick of hearing about it and just thought it's never going to happen. So the night that it did go to air with a week's notice, we're all in shock. We're like, it's actually on TV. And I remember jumping on the Google Analytics and going, oh, well, look there's people on the site. The most traffic we'd ever had to. The site was about thirty to one hundred people and we had one one thousand, ten thousand, thirty thousand, sixty thousand, and then all of them trying to add to cart at once. And I said to the production manager, gosh, that eight hundred, you know, B rapid Programs isn't going to last as long. How long is it going to take you to catch up? And he goes he literally said this. I thought you were full of shit and I only made two hundred. Noh, like you are kidding me. He goes, well, you've just been talking about this for so long. I didn't think it was going to happen. And I'm like, what are we going to do?

So I went on Shark Tank. We filmed in twenty sixteen, and funnily enough, I thought my biggest problem going on the show was going to be getting home with the big check, and I was thinking it'd be one of those you know, people sized checks that you get that you don't want to fold and put on the plane. You want to frame it when you get home. But unfortunately there was no check, even though there was a deal made on air. But I found out much later on that out of one hundred episodes that made it to air in Australia in this particular season, for the many seasons of Shark Tank prior to its hiatus and coming back again this year, there was fifty of us roughly that had deals on air, but only three of us that I saw a dollar to my knowledge, and that's what the media reported as well. So my experience certainly wasn't walking out with a check. I had a deal. However, the TV show did not go to air for around ten months after we filmed, and so I thought it was actually never going to air. And we were prepping that maybe something's going to happen. So every month, without fail, they'd say it's going to air this month, and it just didn't. The show just didn't start. And even scarier than that, I think we thought we were going to get this money that was going to help us build the business and scale and knocked on the door of the investors every single month and it was just a flat out no. They'd done due diligence. They closed it. There was no deal. However, when we finally did go to air, it beat all of our expectations. So I'd said to my production manager at the time, let's prepare, you know, eight hundred boxes worth of our Beefit Food Silver Special Box. It's a one week program of food. And because this promise kept getting stretched out of when we'd go to air, it just I think everyone got sick of hearing about it and just thought it's never going to happen. So the night that it did go to air with a week's notice, we're all in shock. We're like, it's actually on TV. And I remember jumping on the Google Analytics and going, oh, well, look there's people on the site. The most traffic we'd ever had to. The site was about thirty to one hundred people and we had one one thousand, ten thousand, thirty thousand, sixty thousand, and then all of them trying to add to cart at once. And I said to the production manager, gosh, that eight hundred, you know, B rapid Programs isn't going to last as long. How long is it going to take you to catch up? And he goes he literally said this. I thought you were full of shit and I only made two hundred. Noh, like you are kidding me. He goes, well, you've just been talking about this for so long. I didn't think it was going to happen. And I'm like, what are we going to do?

And he's like, sorry, how many orders did you get?

And he's like, sorry, how many orders did you get?

Oh, in the first five minutes, two and a half.

Oh, in the first five minutes, two and a half.

Thousand jump in Jehovah.

Thousand jump in Jehovah.

Yeah. So for next morning, needless to say, I got in very early to the office, and I was very lucky that I had this guck feeling that maybe I should borrow some void phones voiceover internet phones from a friend, plug them into all the walls, and send them through to a call center just in case we got busy. So sure enough, I get in there, the phones are going non stop. There's seven of them, there's one of me, there's five people in the kitchen, and I thought, what am I going to do? And by the end of that first day, I literally called every single person I know to come and help me, because on the way to work that morning, I thought it was particularly busy on a very quiet road in Mornington, And it was only when I pulled up out the front to beefit food that I recognized they were all queuing up to pick up their food when the doors opened at nine o'clock. So by nine oh five we did not have one meal left in the building, and we still had the two and a half thousand orders to fulfill online and not a meal left. So it was a disaster. And within four weeks we'd literally gone from having a team of five to sixty three people. We'd taken a four weeks warehousing, We'd take it. We were running everything end end. We hadn't at this stage even considered it might have been possible to scale fifteen hundred percent overnight, to go from doing, you know, one thousand to fifteen hundred meals a week to thirty thousand meals a week. So we just blew us all out of the water. And I cannot thank the Mornington Peninsula community enough for coming to my aid, just literally to rescue me and go do you need a van? Do you need workers? Do you need kitchen space? Do you need labor? Do you need storage? Do you know? What I needed most of all was actually power to connect everything to. I kept up blowing up the power in the building, so I know it has sixty three amps now because I blow it up that many times. So we just got warehouse after warehouse, and I had a freezer, containers plugged into friends car parks at their pubs. We were using kitchens everywhere, so it was out of control.

Yeah. So for next morning, needless to say, I got in very early to the office, and I was very lucky that I had this guck feeling that maybe I should borrow some void phones voiceover internet phones from a friend, plug them into all the walls, and send them through to a call center just in case we got busy. So sure enough, I get in there, the phones are going non stop. There's seven of them, there's one of me, there's five people in the kitchen, and I thought, what am I going to do? And by the end of that first day, I literally called every single person I know to come and help me, because on the way to work that morning, I thought it was particularly busy on a very quiet road in Mornington, And it was only when I pulled up out the front to beefit food that I recognized they were all queuing up to pick up their food when the doors opened at nine o'clock. So by nine oh five we did not have one meal left in the building, and we still had the two and a half thousand orders to fulfill online and not a meal left. So it was a disaster. And within four weeks we'd literally gone from having a team of five to sixty three people. We'd taken a four weeks warehousing, We'd take it. We were running everything end end. We hadn't at this stage even considered it might have been possible to scale fifteen hundred percent overnight, to go from doing, you know, one thousand to fifteen hundred meals a week to thirty thousand meals a week. So we just blew us all out of the water. And I cannot thank the Mornington Peninsula community enough for coming to my aid, just literally to rescue me and go do you need a van? Do you need workers? Do you need kitchen space? Do you need labor? Do you need storage? Do you know? What I needed most of all was actually power to connect everything to. I kept up blowing up the power in the building, so I know it has sixty three amps now because I blow it up that many times. So we just got warehouse after warehouse, and I had a freezer, containers plugged into friends car parks at their pubs. We were using kitchens everywhere, so it was out of control.

Got Ego bonkers.

Got Ego bonkers.

How long did it take you to get to an operational cadence that was reasonably smooth?

How long did it take you to get to an operational cadence that was reasonably smooth?

Probably six months of backpeddling and literally offering one hundred percent of customers a refund. And the annoying part of that is ninety seven percent of it didn't want a refund. They didn't care when we got them the food. They just wanted the food. And we did have some really interesting people who called us up and said, you need to pay for my wedding. Now I bought a dress soever many size as smaller and you haven't delivered the food, and I can't fit in my dress, and you've ruined my wedding. And there was lots of interesting cases like that where people were so dependent on this meal plan to change their life and change their health and meet their wildest dreams. And yeah, so it probably took us two years to then really put all of the systems and processes in place that are capable now of we do national home delivery and everything's on a national scale. We deliver nationally into Woolworths. We serve us over eight hundred stores, so our online business runs all across Australia except the Northern Territory. But it was a lot of hard work to get to that.

Probably six months of backpeddling and literally offering one hundred percent of customers a refund. And the annoying part of that is ninety seven percent of it didn't want a refund. They didn't care when we got them the food. They just wanted the food. And we did have some really interesting people who called us up and said, you need to pay for my wedding. Now I bought a dress soever many size as smaller and you haven't delivered the food, and I can't fit in my dress, and you've ruined my wedding. And there was lots of interesting cases like that where people were so dependent on this meal plan to change their life and change their health and meet their wildest dreams. And yeah, so it probably took us two years to then really put all of the systems and processes in place that are capable now of we do national home delivery and everything's on a national scale. We deliver nationally into Woolworths. We serve us over eight hundred stores, so our online business runs all across Australia except the Northern Territory. But it was a lot of hard work to get to that.

Wo wow, wow, I'm not a lot of sleep for quite a while.

Wo wow, wow, I'm not a lot of sleep for quite a while.

Like, not a lot of sleep.

Like, not a lot of sleep.

Let's just wind back because we're recently similar and we're both dual qualified in nutrition, you being a dietest and me and nutritions, but it also exercise physiologists. I reckon, it's a handful of us in Australia. Doctor Nick Kimber me you, doctor carm McDonald, who's a good man of mine.

Let's just wind back because we're recently similar and we're both dual qualified in nutrition, you being a dietest and me and nutritions, but it also exercise physiologists. I reckon, it's a handful of us in Australia. Doctor Nick Kimber me you, doctor carm McDonald, who's a good man of mine.

There was a lady in Sydney.

There was a lady in Sydney.

Yeah, I've got a girlfriend in Sydney. Her name's Joe. She's dual qualified as well. They're literally only a handful of people though.

Yeah, I've got a girlfriend in Sydney. Her name's Joe. She's dual qualified as well. They're literally only a handful of people though.

So tell me what what did that dual qualification? When you kind of got the second one number one?

So tell me what what did that dual qualification? When you kind of got the second one number one?

Why did you do it right?

Why did you do it right?

And then secondly getting that both of those qualifications? How did it change your view of things?

And then secondly getting that both of those qualifications? How did it change your view of things?

So my interest was always in food and nutrition and my background stories. I had a tumor in my bile duck from the age of two to nineteen. Unfortunately it wasn't diagnosed for seventeen years, so I was in an out of hospital chronically ill as a child. They told my parents after eight years of looking that it was all in my head and I was making it up to get out of school. But mom and dad just knew that didn't add up seeing their daughter throwing up, not being able to walk, not being able to go to school for weeks on end, and knowing that even back then I was a bit of a type a personality. I wanted to be at school, I wanted to study, I wanted to do well, and they just trusted in the medical community, and unfortunately they got it wrong. I didn't fit the typical description of someone who would have this sort of condition, and the condition was really rare anyway, when they found it, it was two weeks before my twentieth birthday, and I now have two daughters and orfied of what's going to happen when they're teenagers. But I turned around and said to my parents when they found the tumor, they said, we need a do emergency surgery, and I said, no, no, no, at a swim suits modeling Yeah, well that was see, at least you're laughing. I laughed as well. And I had a swimsuit modeling competition. I'm like, if you're hacking up my stomach, I am not like I'm going to do this. After this competition, I'm in the runners up, and I had a girlfriend judging, and I was like, I've got this in the bag. So that was week one and week two was actually my twentieth birthday, and I'd already booked a party at the Italian restaurant, which is one of the seven casual jobs I had at the time, and Mum and dad had hired a little band with UK ladies and bits and pieces, and I said, I'm not going to hospital until I've had my party. And so sure enough, that night of my birthday, the day before the operation, I did end up in hospital and really really sick, but I came out the next day. I tried to run away my problems. I think that's when I really recognized the power of exercise for changing your giving space. Clarity, but that positivity, that mental boost that you go looking for. So I didn't know why I was running. I just knew that if I ran, I would be able to cope with the idea that I was going in for surgery tomorrow. There was a ten percent chance of death, thought that it wouldn't work, and I you know that sort of thing. And yeah, that was the longest run I'd ever done in my life. I wasn't much of a runner, but I knew it made me feel good and that sort of prepped me to be in that headspace to go in for surgery. So that was my passion for nutrition because I was always told either I was eating something that was making me sick, So I'm like, what is it's poisonous food that's trying to kill me? Or that it was in my head and so interesting food and the interest and exercise was really that. I just knew that when I exercised, I felt good as an acrobat as a kid. And then I went on to teach acrobatics and it was fun. I loved being outside. I did out red and PA at school. So yeah, I did the double degree and then went on to do the Masters, and then went on to do diabetes education because I actually couldn't understand why you could fix type two diabetes with either food or exercise, yet people were going on medication instead of food or exercise. I had to do that course so I could understand why that was even a consideration. When you had people that were within their first you know, four to five years of being diagnosed and they've never tried changing diet or exercise.

So my interest was always in food and nutrition and my background stories. I had a tumor in my bile duck from the age of two to nineteen. Unfortunately it wasn't diagnosed for seventeen years, so I was in an out of hospital chronically ill as a child. They told my parents after eight years of looking that it was all in my head and I was making it up to get out of school. But mom and dad just knew that didn't add up seeing their daughter throwing up, not being able to walk, not being able to go to school for weeks on end, and knowing that even back then I was a bit of a type a personality. I wanted to be at school, I wanted to study, I wanted to do well, and they just trusted in the medical community, and unfortunately they got it wrong. I didn't fit the typical description of someone who would have this sort of condition, and the condition was really rare anyway, when they found it, it was two weeks before my twentieth birthday, and I now have two daughters and orfied of what's going to happen when they're teenagers. But I turned around and said to my parents when they found the tumor, they said, we need a do emergency surgery, and I said, no, no, no, at a swim suits modeling Yeah, well that was see, at least you're laughing. I laughed as well. And I had a swimsuit modeling competition. I'm like, if you're hacking up my stomach, I am not like I'm going to do this. After this competition, I'm in the runners up, and I had a girlfriend judging, and I was like, I've got this in the bag. So that was week one and week two was actually my twentieth birthday, and I'd already booked a party at the Italian restaurant, which is one of the seven casual jobs I had at the time, and Mum and dad had hired a little band with UK ladies and bits and pieces, and I said, I'm not going to hospital until I've had my party. And so sure enough, that night of my birthday, the day before the operation, I did end up in hospital and really really sick, but I came out the next day. I tried to run away my problems. I think that's when I really recognized the power of exercise for changing your giving space. Clarity, but that positivity, that mental boost that you go looking for. So I didn't know why I was running. I just knew that if I ran, I would be able to cope with the idea that I was going in for surgery tomorrow. There was a ten percent chance of death, thought that it wouldn't work, and I you know that sort of thing. And yeah, that was the longest run I'd ever done in my life. I wasn't much of a runner, but I knew it made me feel good and that sort of prepped me to be in that headspace to go in for surgery. So that was my passion for nutrition because I was always told either I was eating something that was making me sick, So I'm like, what is it's poisonous food that's trying to kill me? Or that it was in my head and so interesting food and the interest and exercise was really that. I just knew that when I exercised, I felt good as an acrobat as a kid. And then I went on to teach acrobatics and it was fun. I loved being outside. I did out red and PA at school. So yeah, I did the double degree and then went on to do the Masters, and then went on to do diabetes education because I actually couldn't understand why you could fix type two diabetes with either food or exercise, yet people were going on medication instead of food or exercise. I had to do that course so I could understand why that was even a consideration. When you had people that were within their first you know, four to five years of being diagnosed and they've never tried changing diet or exercise.

It's amazing, isn't it, And when they were, and particularly when you know this is a very controllable disease and if you don't control it, it's a freakin horrendous disease.

It's amazing, isn't it, And when they were, and particularly when you know this is a very controllable disease and if you don't control it, it's a freakin horrendous disease.

Right. I lost three people in a year. So one is still alive, he's just lost a leg, but the other two actually died. So they had all three had amputations within twelve months, and only one of them is still alive today and that was probably five years ago.

Right. I lost three people in a year. So one is still alive, he's just lost a leg, but the other two actually died. So they had all three had amputations within twelve months, and only one of them is still alive today and that was probably five years ago.

This is the thing that people with diabetes, and I think it's because it's so common that people kind of go ia. You can money, sat with medication and stuff, but they don't realize, like the last couple of years was diabetes is horandous, right, Yeah, amputations going blind, you know, basically rotting from the inside out.

This is the thing that people with diabetes, and I think it's because it's so common that people kind of go ia. You can money, sat with medication and stuff, but they don't realize, like the last couple of years was diabetes is horandous, right, Yeah, amputations going blind, you know, basically rotting from the inside out.

His arts they smelled, Yeah, that is exactly what happened that my very very dear friend Dennis. I would meet him once a month for coffee. I used to personal train him twenty years prior. He was a pilot, he had his own printing business. He was just at the top of the world in his forties, and his doctor said to him, if you don't change your habits and behaviors, this is what's going to happen to you, and you're going to die of a heart attack. And twenty years later, we're sitting there. He's had his first amputation. He's on renal dialysis of five hours, three times a week. He can barely leave his House's clinically blind, his flesh is rotting, and he would just sit having coffee with me, and he'd apologize for the smell, and I'd say, that's I get it, Like I've known you for so long, this is so unfair, and he goes, but my doctor told me so, he told me this was going to happen. And we lost him around I think it was Boxing Day a few years ago, and he was only in his sixties, and it was a really horrible last few years, socially isolating, horrible.

His arts they smelled, Yeah, that is exactly what happened that my very very dear friend Dennis. I would meet him once a month for coffee. I used to personal train him twenty years prior. He was a pilot, he had his own printing business. He was just at the top of the world in his forties, and his doctor said to him, if you don't change your habits and behaviors, this is what's going to happen to you, and you're going to die of a heart attack. And twenty years later, we're sitting there. He's had his first amputation. He's on renal dialysis of five hours, three times a week. He can barely leave his House's clinically blind, his flesh is rotting, and he would just sit having coffee with me, and he'd apologize for the smell, and I'd say, that's I get it, Like I've known you for so long, this is so unfair, and he goes, but my doctor told me so, he told me this was going to happen. And we lost him around I think it was Boxing Day a few years ago, and he was only in his sixties, and it was a really horrible last few years, socially isolating, horrible.

Yeah, it is very, very horrible.

Yeah, it is very, very horrible.

Let's talk about diabeesity, Yeah, because and the interactions between those things. So firstly, just just explain to people diabesity why we have that term diversity first and foremost, and then we'll kind of dig into what we're doing wrong around disurreica.

Let's talk about diabeesity, Yeah, because and the interactions between those things. So firstly, just just explain to people diabesity why we have that term diversity first and foremost, and then we'll kind of dig into what we're doing wrong around disurreica.

Yeah. What I find really interesting is that you don't need to be overweight to have diabetes, or not all overweight people have type two diabetes. However, there is definitely a crossover and a link, and that link is insulin resistance. The moment that your interlin levels start going too high and your body, your metabolism is unable to really process energy in the body because it is stuffing energy into all the wrong areas in the body, so it could be the liver around the organs of visceral organs and not just subcutaneously, or if it is subcutaneous, it's bursting out. So people can be skinny fast or toffee thin on the outside, but on the inside. And I think diabesity is really that crossover where people have both and people sit on both ends of that spectrum where they have neither or they have one or the other. But that crossover point is really where I think you see this emergence over the last two decades with overweight and obesity rate skyrocketing, and particularly in children and teenagers. Now it's around twenty five percent. So it's pretty scary thinking that back in our day at school, it would have been less than maybe five to ten percent. It was pretty pretty low. And I can think about being at school and really it wasn't an issue for anyone at all. It was very, very uncommon. And then having this diagnosis of one person every five minutes with diabetes in Australia, won every twenty seconds in America and won every seven seconds over the world basically, so it is such an epidemic that is not getting the attention that it needs. And I think even in Australia, for every five people that are diagnosed, four people are undiagnosed.

Yeah. What I find really interesting is that you don't need to be overweight to have diabetes, or not all overweight people have type two diabetes. However, there is definitely a crossover and a link, and that link is insulin resistance. The moment that your interlin levels start going too high and your body, your metabolism is unable to really process energy in the body because it is stuffing energy into all the wrong areas in the body, so it could be the liver around the organs of visceral organs and not just subcutaneously, or if it is subcutaneous, it's bursting out. So people can be skinny fast or toffee thin on the outside, but on the inside. And I think diabesity is really that crossover where people have both and people sit on both ends of that spectrum where they have neither or they have one or the other. But that crossover point is really where I think you see this emergence over the last two decades with overweight and obesity rate skyrocketing, and particularly in children and teenagers. Now it's around twenty five percent. So it's pretty scary thinking that back in our day at school, it would have been less than maybe five to ten percent. It was pretty pretty low. And I can think about being at school and really it wasn't an issue for anyone at all. It was very, very uncommon. And then having this diagnosis of one person every five minutes with diabetes in Australia, won every twenty seconds in America and won every seven seconds over the world basically, so it is such an epidemic that is not getting the attention that it needs. And I think even in Australia, for every five people that are diagnosed, four people are undiagnosed.

Walking around with it either diabetes, right, So it's not just it's not just the diabetes as well.

Walking around with it either diabetes, right, So it's not just it's not just the diabetes as well.

You said there's epidemic.

You said there's epidemic.

We know nigh that there's another epidemic of Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia, which lots of researchers called dementia or Alzheimer's disease type three diabetes. Absolutely, because the etiology of the disease is how they occur are pretty much identically.

We know nigh that there's another epidemic of Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia, which lots of researchers called dementia or Alzheimer's disease type three diabetes. Absolutely, because the etiology of the disease is how they occur are pretty much identically.

It's just metabolism being destroyed.

It's just metabolism being destroyed.

We nine are in Australia that Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia are know the biggest killer of females for the first time ever, and I think it's the second killer biggest kill of all Australians was it.

We nine are in Australia that Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia are know the biggest killer of females for the first time ever, and I think it's the second killer biggest kill of all Australians was it.

Wasn't even in the top ten fifteen years ago.

Wasn't even in the top ten fifteen years ago.

It is really terrifying because I think the thing that scares me most I remember it scared my grandmother. It scared my mother was actually forgetting who your family were. And we all said, if we got to that point, there was a way to turn off the switch. Turn off the switch and that could be upsetting for people to hear that I've recently lost my mum to no known cause, and I lost my grandmother, and we all had a pact that if that was something that happened. Unfortunately it didn't happen to any of us. But my biggest I guess the only comfort that I have in losing my mum to no known cause, who was really fit and healthy, was she lived her best life every single day. She had absolutely no regrets, and she didn't suffer from any of these pretty inevitable, you know, deaths in Western country horrible.

It is really terrifying because I think the thing that scares me most I remember it scared my grandmother. It scared my mother was actually forgetting who your family were. And we all said, if we got to that point, there was a way to turn off the switch. Turn off the switch and that could be upsetting for people to hear that I've recently lost my mum to no known cause, and I lost my grandmother, and we all had a pact that if that was something that happened. Unfortunately it didn't happen to any of us. But my biggest I guess the only comfort that I have in losing my mum to no known cause, who was really fit and healthy, was she lived her best life every single day. She had absolutely no regrets, and she didn't suffer from any of these pretty inevitable, you know, deaths in Western country horrible.

I've always said that Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia, there's a one disease that scores the Jesus Oe of me.

I've always said that Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia, there's a one disease that scores the Jesus Oe of me.

And I said to the.

And I said to the.

Day I don't recognize her and my kids sticking out over my head.

Day I don't recognize her and my kids sticking out over my head.

No, I know you do not want to do that.

No, I know you do not want to do that.

We've got a similar rule. Yep.

We've got a similar rule. Yep.

It's just a button, absolutely absolutely so. Actually a little side because I I did a podcast just this week and I'm writing an article for LinkedIn about the hidden dangers in the body positivity movement. Right, so that body positivity movement, I think everybody's aware about it's all about embracing all body types. And it's and whilst that is a good thing for people to embrace body types, particularly people you know who are different smatotypes, we know that there are people who will just never be able to be that thin thing thing that's doing a little thing that they say, right. But I think there is a hidden dark side of this because the research shows that because of the body positivity movement and everybody just embrace it, it's okay whatever shape, people are not occurring less and obesity is getting worse. And I think it has to come with a buyer be war right, it has to come with hey, yes, it's it's okay, you know, to be different body ships. However, know that if you are obese, you dramatically increase your risk for this disease, that disease.

It's just a button, absolutely absolutely so. Actually a little side because I I did a podcast just this week and I'm writing an article for LinkedIn about the hidden dangers in the body positivity movement. Right, so that body positivity movement, I think everybody's aware about it's all about embracing all body types. And it's and whilst that is a good thing for people to embrace body types, particularly people you know who are different smatotypes, we know that there are people who will just never be able to be that thin thing thing that's doing a little thing that they say, right. But I think there is a hidden dark side of this because the research shows that because of the body positivity movement and everybody just embrace it, it's okay whatever shape, people are not occurring less and obesity is getting worse. And I think it has to come with a buyer be war right, it has to come with hey, yes, it's it's okay, you know, to be different body ships. However, know that if you are obese, you dramatically increase your risk for this disease, that disease.

The other the top thirteen cancers are related to obesity. You've got thirteen cancers and cancer Cancel Australia actually approached me to help them when they were being challenged by particular body in Australia for running a campaign on television about sugar and overweight, particularly sugar causing cancer. And I actually had to get rid of the campaign because they were threatened by.

The other the top thirteen cancers are related to obesity. You've got thirteen cancers and cancer Cancel Australia actually approached me to help them when they were being challenged by particular body in Australia for running a campaign on television about sugar and overweight, particularly sugar causing cancer. And I actually had to get rid of the campaign because they were threatened by.

Group by big food.

Group by big food.

No big food, no body positivity exactly.

No big food, no body positivity exactly.

Right.

Right.

And this is the issue, right, and this is where we need to have a really nuanced conversation around stuff, right, is that you can't say anything now because of the the noisy few.

And this is the issue, right, and this is where we need to have a really nuanced conversation around stuff, right, is that you can't say anything now because of the the noisy few.

Who are gone. You can't do that. You can't say that.

Who are gone. You can't do that. You can't say that.

But it's just got to be we have to make people are ware of the risks. And whilst it's not all about being skinny, I always say to people you can be over weird, but if you're over weird, you have to be fit.

But it's just got to be we have to make people are ware of the risks. And whilst it's not all about being skinny, I always say to people you can be over weird, but if you're over weird, you have to be fit.

You have to have to be fitit it's not about weight. It is about your cellular health. At the end of the day, how do you process glucose, what are your fasting insulin levels? Do you have signs of fatty liver? If you all those things are well, and that's fine. It actually does not matter what your weight is. And there are genetic statistics around this too. I think something on the lines of twenty percent of people that are healthy weight still suffer metabolic syndrome, whereas out of the sixty seven to seventy percent of people that are overweight nobs, there is a significant proportion of them that actually are not affected by their weight tiber does any issues.

You have to have to be fitit it's not about weight. It is about your cellular health. At the end of the day, how do you process glucose, what are your fasting insulin levels? Do you have signs of fatty liver? If you all those things are well, and that's fine. It actually does not matter what your weight is. And there are genetic statistics around this too. I think something on the lines of twenty percent of people that are healthy weight still suffer metabolic syndrome, whereas out of the sixty seven to seventy percent of people that are overweight nobs, there is a significant proportion of them that actually are not affected by their weight tiber does any issues.

Yeah, and that's that I am in violent agreement with you. I mean, we know metabolic syndrome is you know, it is the big driver of many many diseases. So it's it's not so much about your way, although when you do become a base then it's it's pretty hard to still be healthy unless you're very, very fit, which is very unusual. But it is about metabolism, and you can't look under the hood.

Yeah, and that's that I am in violent agreement with you. I mean, we know metabolic syndrome is you know, it is the big driver of many many diseases. So it's it's not so much about your way, although when you do become a base then it's it's pretty hard to still be healthy unless you're very, very fit, which is very unusual. But it is about metabolism, and you can't look under the hood.

That's the thing. Now.

That's the thing. Now.

We can do lots of diagnostic tests and stuff like that, but.

We can do lots of diagnostic tests and stuff like that, but.

It was interesting. I remember I was doing my master's many many years ago.

It was interesting. I remember I was doing my master's many many years ago.

One of the medical people who was doing running one of the courses said, the last thing to go in metabolism is blood sugar.

One of the medical people who was doing running one of the courses said, the last thing to go in metabolism is blood sugar.

Once your blood sugar starts to go up, you are metabolically goosed already.

Once your blood sugar starts to go up, you are metabolically goosed already.

Right, That's one of the key thing. And the liver really takes the brunt of it. And it was interesting. I was listening to a really interesting.

Right, That's one of the key thing. And the liver really takes the brunt of it. And it was interesting. I was listening to a really interesting.

Podcast with Peter a Tea with the liver Expert, who saying that that at least thirty percent of the population of walking around with undiagnosed and liver disease, and you know they can have fat in their liver or their liver can be metapholically onhealthy I've actually just gone and booked and I'm a healthy guy, but I've just booked in for something called the fiber scan.

Podcast with Peter a Tea with the liver Expert, who saying that that at least thirty percent of the population of walking around with undiagnosed and liver disease, and you know they can have fat in their liver or their liver can be metapholically onhealthy I've actually just gone and booked and I'm a healthy guy, but I've just booked in for something called the fiber scan.

I find Jesus, where can you get a liver scan? And you can actually do it without a referral?

I find Jesus, where can you get a liver scan? And you can actually do it without a referral?

Right, So it's it's like, because I'm all about that proactive stuff, I went, I saw a me and the mine who's a cardiologist, got everything done for me. Let's work out how your liver's working, understanding your kidney function, but not just the blood test, because those blood tests don't tell you everything. You want to ask and see how your liver is functioning with a skill.

Right, So it's it's like, because I'm all about that proactive stuff, I went, I saw a me and the mine who's a cardiologist, got everything done for me. Let's work out how your liver's working, understanding your kidney function, but not just the blood test, because those blood tests don't tell you everything. You want to ask and see how your liver is functioning with a skill.

Yeah, I had full BODYMRIS, I had CT scans of my lungs, my brain, thyroids. I've had every test imaginable and I still have because of the tumor that was in the bile duct many years ago. One of the studies that's came out about the condition that I had is at the recurrence rate and they've only just sort of published this a couple of years ago. Of this particular condition after twenty five years is thirty percent, But the thirty percent of people that are recursing, it's ninety percent fatal for And as soon as I read that, I went and booked in with my specialist. I've had all my pancreatic checks and I've got a dilated pancreatic duck, but I'm aware of it. There's nothing there yet, but it's on surveillance because it's about how things change over time, and a lot of people are scared to get the first scans done because they think it's going to reveal something that's going to stop them being able to have whatever they want to have a beer or have a cheese platter or eat something, so they won't take the first steps. But I always say, it's not the first tests that matter. It's that is your benchmark for moving forward. It's the next lot of tests and what you do with that information that matters the most.

Yeah, I had full BODYMRIS, I had CT scans of my lungs, my brain, thyroids. I've had every test imaginable and I still have because of the tumor that was in the bile duct many years ago. One of the studies that's came out about the condition that I had is at the recurrence rate and they've only just sort of published this a couple of years ago. Of this particular condition after twenty five years is thirty percent, But the thirty percent of people that are recursing, it's ninety percent fatal for And as soon as I read that, I went and booked in with my specialist. I've had all my pancreatic checks and I've got a dilated pancreatic duck, but I'm aware of it. There's nothing there yet, but it's on surveillance because it's about how things change over time, and a lot of people are scared to get the first scans done because they think it's going to reveal something that's going to stop them being able to have whatever they want to have a beer or have a cheese platter or eat something, so they won't take the first steps. But I always say, it's not the first tests that matter. It's that is your benchmark for moving forward. It's the next lot of tests and what you do with that information that matters the most.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So tell us what do you think? Where are we going wrong with the whole diabeesity.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So tell us what do you think? Where are we going wrong with the whole diabeesity.

I couldn't agree more about it. It being a metabolism and an insulin resistance and actually just a fit and healthy lifestyle that you need to prioritize moving your body and putting in good fuel. You can do whatever else you want your body and it will probably cope. And they talk about this even with you know, should I drink alcohol, Well, it depends what else you're eating and how much you're exercising. So yes, it will have an impact on an unhealthy metabolism and someone who doesn't move, but someone who's fitting healthy it'll have far less of an impact on. So if you're wanting to a really full life and enjoy all of the things, then you actually need to prioritize and think about compensation theory too. And a lot of people after a big weekend, we've all just had a long weekend. Tier in most of the states around Australia who did their intermittent fasting on Tuesday or you know, had one of those really light days making sure that they got out and moved more, they ate less, they drank plenty of fluids, and they had an alcohol free day. I hope everyone did, but if they didn't, then they need to think about this compensation theory. Whatever you want to do, whenever you want to do it, but there is a repercussion.

I couldn't agree more about it. It being a metabolism and an insulin resistance and actually just a fit and healthy lifestyle that you need to prioritize moving your body and putting in good fuel. You can do whatever else you want your body and it will probably cope. And they talk about this even with you know, should I drink alcohol, Well, it depends what else you're eating and how much you're exercising. So yes, it will have an impact on an unhealthy metabolism and someone who doesn't move, but someone who's fitting healthy it'll have far less of an impact on. So if you're wanting to a really full life and enjoy all of the things, then you actually need to prioritize and think about compensation theory too. And a lot of people after a big weekend, we've all just had a long weekend. Tier in most of the states around Australia who did their intermittent fasting on Tuesday or you know, had one of those really light days making sure that they got out and moved more, they ate less, they drank plenty of fluids, and they had an alcohol free day. I hope everyone did, but if they didn't, then they need to think about this compensation theory. Whatever you want to do, whenever you want to do it, but there is a repercussion.

I have been a lifelong triato. Right at compensation theory, I've just called myself a treat, and you know, I'm ARISMX military drunk.

I have been a lifelong triato. Right at compensation theory, I've just called myself a treat, and you know, I'm ARISMX military drunk.

I'm a lot better.

I'm a lot better.

Now than I was a few years ago, but I still have a thing that if I am going to drink, and particularly if I'm going to give it a nudge, then I have to work out beforehand, and I get up the next morning early, and I do a hard workout, and Cardios is continually shocked that you know, if I give it a real nudge, I'll still get up and I'll still do a hard workout, and then I jump in the cold star or a cool swimming pool, because for a couple of reasons. Number one, it's about resetting absolutely. Secondly, it's so that one bad day doesn't turn into two or three because you know how many people listening. Everybody's done right, You have a skin food, you feel shit, you lie in bed half the next day and you eat shit food, right, and then that one bad night has turned into another bad day.

Now than I was a few years ago, but I still have a thing that if I am going to drink, and particularly if I'm going to give it a nudge, then I have to work out beforehand, and I get up the next morning early, and I do a hard workout, and Cardios is continually shocked that you know, if I give it a real nudge, I'll still get up and I'll still do a hard workout, and then I jump in the cold star or a cool swimming pool, because for a couple of reasons. Number one, it's about resetting absolutely. Secondly, it's so that one bad day doesn't turn into two or three because you know how many people listening. Everybody's done right, You have a skin food, you feel shit, you lie in bed half the next day and you eat shit food, right, and then that one bad night has turned into another bad day.

And often that one turns into a third one.

And often that one turns into a third one.

Right. Yeah, So my rule for that is, if I go out, I have more than drinks, I leave my car wherever I am, and then I need a run back and get it nice nice, So don't drink too far from home. It's a pretty tough.

Right. Yeah, So my rule for that is, if I go out, I have more than drinks, I leave my car wherever I am, and then I need a run back and get it nice nice, So don't drink too far from home. It's a pretty tough.

Big night in and your goosehe yeah, yeah.

Big night in and your goosehe yeah, yeah.

So I think that's really important. I think that is that whole concept of resetting is really important to me too. You can reset after a weekend, but I think even in our normal, everyday lives, we all need a reset. Things creep in. I know for me it's sweets after dinner having and the more you do it, the more you want it, the more of a habit it becomes. So you need to do a reset every I think it's every sixty to ninety days because once a season you have Christmas, Easter, Birthdays, big holidays, big events. So without fail, habits sneak in that may not have been there. It could be just the glass of wine that you have after work and it was a few nights a week, and then it's every night of the week and people say, is there anything wrong with that? Well, take a month off and tell me how you feel. Then tell me if there was anything wrong with that. Like, you don't know what feeling well is until you're in those shoes and you're doing it absolutely.

So I think that's really important. I think that is that whole concept of resetting is really important to me too. You can reset after a weekend, but I think even in our normal, everyday lives, we all need a reset. Things creep in. I know for me it's sweets after dinner having and the more you do it, the more you want it, the more of a habit it becomes. So you need to do a reset every I think it's every sixty to ninety days because once a season you have Christmas, Easter, Birthdays, big holidays, big events. So without fail, habits sneak in that may not have been there. It could be just the glass of wine that you have after work and it was a few nights a week, and then it's every night of the week and people say, is there anything wrong with that? Well, take a month off and tell me how you feel. Then tell me if there was anything wrong with that. Like, you don't know what feeling well is until you're in those shoes and you're doing it absolutely.

How many people do you hear that they change things and they go cheeses. I cannot believe that I existed. I exist, But I think it's a really good point.

How many people do you hear that they change things and they go cheeses. I cannot believe that I existed. I exist, But I think it's a really good point.

Right.

Right.

We can't be puritanical about this. And I certainly do not live the lifestyle of somebody who is always doing the right thing. But I do two things I earn the right to do. So if I know I'm going out, I'll have a good day a couple of days before, and particularly if I'm going away on a trip or something, make sure that I'm in really good ship when I go, And then when I'm there, I'm exercising every day.

We can't be puritanical about this. And I certainly do not live the lifestyle of somebody who is always doing the right thing. But I do two things I earn the right to do. So if I know I'm going out, I'll have a good day a couple of days before, and particularly if I'm going away on a trip or something, make sure that I'm in really good ship when I go, And then when I'm there, I'm exercising every day.

Right.

Right.

I was with a bunch of guys. We went out to Queenstown, had a great golf trip. There was a few.

I was with a bunch of guys. We went out to Queenstown, had a great golf trip. There was a few.

Beers drunk, but every morning I get up on a for a run.

Beers drunk, but every morning I get up on a for a run.

And because it's just like you've just got to get stuff in the bank, you've got a balance, stuff out, and it just start to get that habit.

And because it's just like you've just got to get stuff in the bank, you've got a balance, stuff out, and it just start to get that habit.

And I think, as you said, if.

And I think, as you said, if.

We then take those behaviors and we extend them like one week's not going to make.

We then take those behaviors and we extend them like one week's not going to make.

A huge difference. But if that's a habit.

A huge difference. But if that's a habit.

Chill thing, if you're doing it or not doing it, we'll have a massive, massive difference over your life.

Chill thing, if you're doing it or not doing it, we'll have a massive, massive difference over your life.

Do you know The other thing that I found with clients over the years is there portion control slips over time. And I'm not a big believer in portion control as a way of managing weight because I have these huge, big portions of many, many cups of food, but it's all the right foods. Where there's an issue with portion is that part of the meal that goes with the veggies and salads. So my rule is never ever portion control your low car veggie salads, with your olive oil and your nut seeds, all your healthy fats and your protein will portion control itself. How much protein can one person actually eat? The only thing that really needs portion control is process carbohydrates and sugars. They're addictive. They get converted primarily into body fat, and people don't recognize that. They go No, they're fuel, and I'm like, they're fuel for someone who is not eating much. Most people eat too much, so they're actually something that gets stored in the sixty seven percent of people that are overweight. No bees, you don't get a chance to burn them off. The insulin levels are too high in the bloodstream, they convert them to body fat, and because of that, it suppresses our leptin, and our leptin is our hormone that tells us where we're full, and we don't get that signal of fullness we should be getting because of the blockages from the fat storage hormone insulin, which is triggered by eating too much processed food and particularly carbohydrates and sugars.

Do you know The other thing that I found with clients over the years is there portion control slips over time. And I'm not a big believer in portion control as a way of managing weight because I have these huge, big portions of many, many cups of food, but it's all the right foods. Where there's an issue with portion is that part of the meal that goes with the veggies and salads. So my rule is never ever portion control your low car veggie salads, with your olive oil and your nut seeds, all your healthy fats and your protein will portion control itself. How much protein can one person actually eat? The only thing that really needs portion control is process carbohydrates and sugars. They're addictive. They get converted primarily into body fat, and people don't recognize that. They go No, they're fuel, and I'm like, they're fuel for someone who is not eating much. Most people eat too much, so they're actually something that gets stored in the sixty seven percent of people that are overweight. No bees, you don't get a chance to burn them off. The insulin levels are too high in the bloodstream, they convert them to body fat, and because of that, it suppresses our leptin, and our leptin is our hormone that tells us where we're full, and we don't get that signal of fullness we should be getting because of the blockages from the fat storage hormone insulin, which is triggered by eating too much processed food and particularly carbohydrates and sugars.

Yeah, and to the point that you said earlier on about the interaction with exercise, so we know, I know, recent studies have shown that obese and particularly diabetics have got a lot of intramuscular fats, so they got a lot of fat.

Yeah, and to the point that you said earlier on about the interaction with exercise, so we know, I know, recent studies have shown that obese and particularly diabetics have got a lot of intramuscular fats, so they got a lot of fat.

Within their muscle.

Within their muscle.

But it turns out recent research so to athletes, particularly endurance athletes. But the difference is it's pathological in the OBEs or diabetic, whereas it's physiological in the athletes that it's there and the athlete uses it as a ready fuel source for the muscle. And that just shows the interaction between exercise and food on a level that we never knew existed until very recently.

But it turns out recent research so to athletes, particularly endurance athletes. But the difference is it's pathological in the OBEs or diabetic, whereas it's physiological in the athletes that it's there and the athlete uses it as a ready fuel source for the muscle. And that just shows the interaction between exercise and food on a level that we never knew existed until very recently.

Right absolutely, and along that very same vein is the how calories are not really important anymore. People place all these emphasis on how many calories are in something, and there's been so many shamp studies to show it is the type of food that matters most. We are not bomb calorie, that is, we don't you don't put food in this and it explodes into calories.

Right absolutely, and along that very same vein is the how calories are not really important anymore. People place all these emphasis on how many calories are in something, and there's been so many shamp studies to show it is the type of food that matters most. We are not bomb calorie, that is, we don't you don't put food in this and it explodes into calories.

That's what it's really worthwhile. I think educating people on how they estimate the calories of food and at water chambers, right, you just explain to people how when they look at the back of the park and it says expo calories, where does that come from?

That's what it's really worthwhile. I think educating people on how they estimate the calories of food and at water chambers, right, you just explain to people how when they look at the back of the park and it says expo calories, where does that come from?

They put it into a machine that basically just burns that energy and or burns the food and tells us how much energy is in the food from combustion, right from combustion and our bodies. We now know we have this gut microbiome. We now know that we are so much more complex than that. We've got all these chemicals and hormones. We've got different bacteria that take a different amount of calories from food that two people could eat exactly the same meal. But if people have more firm acuities and they do acamancas and lacto vessels and bifrobacterms and all these healthy bacteria versus less healthy bacteria, they may absorb more or less calories out of their food. And then when it comes down to inflammation as well and insulin resistance, that's blocking people's ability to actually be able to use that energy from food. It will get stored in some people, whereas other people will get the chance to burn it off. And this is why I'm such a big advocate for exercise, because if you're moving the muscles, like you said, if you're turning over that intramuscular fat, then you're just good at burning fat from energy. But people that are not turning that over it is pathological. It causes inflammation, and it leads to eventually sell death mitochondrial death. You've got people then that have all this energy in their body that they can't access. They're tired all the time, they can't get off the couch, but they're so blocked with energy, but they have no access to that energy.

They put it into a machine that basically just burns that energy and or burns the food and tells us how much energy is in the food from combustion, right from combustion and our bodies. We now know we have this gut microbiome. We now know that we are so much more complex than that. We've got all these chemicals and hormones. We've got different bacteria that take a different amount of calories from food that two people could eat exactly the same meal. But if people have more firm acuities and they do acamancas and lacto vessels and bifrobacterms and all these healthy bacteria versus less healthy bacteria, they may absorb more or less calories out of their food. And then when it comes down to inflammation as well and insulin resistance, that's blocking people's ability to actually be able to use that energy from food. It will get stored in some people, whereas other people will get the chance to burn it off. And this is why I'm such a big advocate for exercise, because if you're moving the muscles, like you said, if you're turning over that intramuscular fat, then you're just good at burning fat from energy. But people that are not turning that over it is pathological. It causes inflammation, and it leads to eventually sell death mitochondrial death. You've got people then that have all this energy in their body that they can't access. They're tired all the time, they can't get off the couch, but they're so blocked with energy, but they have no access to that energy.

Because it's a really good point.

Because it's a really good point.

And then that visceral fati the listeners is the fact that you can't pinch. It's the stuff that's underneath your stomach muscles and surround your organs that is actually an endocrine organ right, So it gives it creates its own hormones called out of the kinds that then drive inflammation, and as you said, then that blocks our ability to use that energy.

And then that visceral fati the listeners is the fact that you can't pinch. It's the stuff that's underneath your stomach muscles and surround your organs that is actually an endocrine organ right, So it gives it creates its own hormones called out of the kinds that then drive inflammation, and as you said, then that blocks our ability to use that energy.

So you get all this energy that you just can't access. And then you know, if you're eating.

So you get all this energy that you just can't access. And then you know, if you're eating.

A lot of fructose, you're activating the Pollo pathway, which then creates a metabolic crisis in the cell. So your energy in your mitochondria drops and then that's stimulate shitty eat more. So there's so much really complicated biochemistry that that's actually happening.

A lot of fructose, you're activating the Pollo pathway, which then creates a metabolic crisis in the cell. So your energy in your mitochondria drops and then that's stimulate shitty eat more. So there's so much really complicated biochemistry that that's actually happening.

All about metabolism, right, to.

All about metabolism, right, to.

Get back around, and not to do with calories. So, and here's the most simple analogy I could give. You could give someone a thousand calories a day of chocolate or a thousand calories a day of broccoli. Then look at what happens inside their body and how that is processed. What hormones is that stimulating, what chemical processes, what's actually going through the gut, what's getting into the gut microbiome, what's who's feeding off? Right, that's right, yeah, and what impact is that having on our mental health? So when people look at food and they look at the calories, I'm like, what is the point. Just read the ingredients list. If it is full of things that you don't know what they are, or they're highly processed, don't eat it. Don't worry about what the calories are because you're not this little machine that blows up calories. That's not what you are. You're a human being. And I've got this crazy philosophy that we are our cells in our body. Right, any cell that is living moves when you put it under a microscope. When we eat real foods and plant based foods and meat, dairy, those sorts of things, it moves under a microscope. When we get a wheat box, so we get a corn flake, it doesn't move under the microscope. There is no activity going on under there. It is dead. It has been dead for a very long time, and last time it was living it was a long long time ago.

Get back around, and not to do with calories. So, and here's the most simple analogy I could give. You could give someone a thousand calories a day of chocolate or a thousand calories a day of broccoli. Then look at what happens inside their body and how that is processed. What hormones is that stimulating, what chemical processes, what's actually going through the gut, what's getting into the gut microbiome, what's who's feeding off? Right, that's right, yeah, and what impact is that having on our mental health? So when people look at food and they look at the calories, I'm like, what is the point. Just read the ingredients list. If it is full of things that you don't know what they are, or they're highly processed, don't eat it. Don't worry about what the calories are because you're not this little machine that blows up calories. That's not what you are. You're a human being. And I've got this crazy philosophy that we are our cells in our body. Right, any cell that is living moves when you put it under a microscope. When we eat real foods and plant based foods and meat, dairy, those sorts of things, it moves under a microscope. When we get a wheat box, so we get a corn flake, it doesn't move under the microscope. There is no activity going on under there. It is dead. It has been dead for a very long time, and last time it was living it was a long long time ago.

So zombie food, right, zombie zombi food.

So zombie food, right, zombie zombi food.

So whatever is in food, there's some component of it that as living beings, we need some of this life that is in the food. And that is not something violated. It's not a vitamin, it's not a mineral, it's not a fiber. It is something that is the difference between life and death, and if we knew what that was, nobody would die. But we don't. So there's something important in living food that I just don't think we've identified.

So whatever is in food, there's some component of it that as living beings, we need some of this life that is in the food. And that is not something violated. It's not a vitamin, it's not a mineral, it's not a fiber. It is something that is the difference between life and death, and if we knew what that was, nobody would die. But we don't. So there's something important in living food that I just don't think we've identified.

Yeah, and look, as you said, lots of talk about vitamins and minerals. We know, I know that real foods have got thousands of polyphenols and fleavonoids that act as enzymes and cool factors for chemical reactions, right, And this is I think the point. I think it's a nice segue into the amount of ultraprocessed food that we're eating. That we have co existed with all of these plants and meat and fish for hundreds of thousands of years and our ancestors way back and on. Our metabolism interacts with those little tiny compounds and enzymes and core factors. Whereas all of this factory made ultra processed food that is either never been alive it's just zombie stuff is very very different in terms of the impact that it.

Yeah, and look, as you said, lots of talk about vitamins and minerals. We know, I know that real foods have got thousands of polyphenols and fleavonoids that act as enzymes and cool factors for chemical reactions, right, And this is I think the point. I think it's a nice segue into the amount of ultraprocessed food that we're eating. That we have co existed with all of these plants and meat and fish for hundreds of thousands of years and our ancestors way back and on. Our metabolism interacts with those little tiny compounds and enzymes and core factors. Whereas all of this factory made ultra processed food that is either never been alive it's just zombie stuff is very very different in terms of the impact that it.

Has on our tabolism.

Has on our tabolism.

Yeah, And you couldn't have said that more clearly that at the end of the day, people don't need to know much when it comes to health other than eating unprocessed food, which just means food that you buy from the perimeters of the supermarket. So seventy five percent of the food in the supermarket is processed. Don't touch it. You don't need to go to those aisles. Everything you need should be around the outside. And if you need to go to those aisles to get maybe some tinned beans or tin lent tools, or canned tomatoes or things are going to make meals a little bit more flavorful or quick and easy to prepare, go for it. But that meal still needs to be made of predominantly those living things that are around the outside of the supermarket. And if that's all you take away from this podcast, you will live a much longer, healthier life and you'll probably never have problems with weight management or diabetes.

Yeah, And you couldn't have said that more clearly that at the end of the day, people don't need to know much when it comes to health other than eating unprocessed food, which just means food that you buy from the perimeters of the supermarket. So seventy five percent of the food in the supermarket is processed. Don't touch it. You don't need to go to those aisles. Everything you need should be around the outside. And if you need to go to those aisles to get maybe some tinned beans or tin lent tools, or canned tomatoes or things are going to make meals a little bit more flavorful or quick and easy to prepare, go for it. But that meal still needs to be made of predominantly those living things that are around the outside of the supermarket. And if that's all you take away from this podcast, you will live a much longer, healthier life and you'll probably never have problems with weight management or diabetes.

I can't remember who it was who said Michael Pollan, I think it was he said, just eat real food. Real food doesn't have ingredients. Real food is ingredients.

I can't remember who it was who said Michael Pollan, I think it was he said, just eat real food. Real food doesn't have ingredients. Real food is ingredients.

Yeah, there's no You don't need to understand the food label. Don't even try. If it doesn't have a label, it's good for you. If it has a label, just don't read it doesn't matter.

Yeah, there's no You don't need to understand the food label. Don't even try. If it doesn't have a label, it's good for you. If it has a label, just don't read it doesn't matter.

That's it.

That's it.

And look when you run by the eay twenty room, right, because everybody needs a little bit of well, you don't need it, but in terms of sustainability, and we use the early twenty room. Eighty percent of the stuff that goes in your gub on a daily basis include liquids, which is really important, right, yes, should have been alive recently and minimally interfered with by humans. And the other twenty percent you treat food that now that brings us in because we talked about calories. Kevin Hall ran a study you're probably familiar with it where they took a bunch of people and put them in a metabolic ward where they could control everything they did.

And look when you run by the eay twenty room, right, because everybody needs a little bit of well, you don't need it, but in terms of sustainability, and we use the early twenty room. Eighty percent of the stuff that goes in your gub on a daily basis include liquids, which is really important, right, yes, should have been alive recently and minimally interfered with by humans. And the other twenty percent you treat food that now that brings us in because we talked about calories. Kevin Hall ran a study you're probably familiar with it where they took a bunch of people and put them in a metabolic ward where they could control everything they did.

Half of them were on an.

Half of them were on an.

Ultra processed food diet and the other half were on a healthy diet that was matched for fat, carbohydrate, protein that they basically said to them, eat what you need to feel seated.

Ultra processed food diet and the other half were on a healthy diet that was matched for fat, carbohydrate, protein that they basically said to them, eat what you need to feel seated.

And the people eating the ultraprocessed foods.

And the people eating the ultraprocessed foods.

Had at five hundred calories a day more than those on a healthy diet.

Had at five hundred calories a day more than those on a healthy diet.

And then the beautiful.

And then the beautiful.

Design they swamped them over and exactly the same thing happened. And what we now know these foods are essentially predigested and you harvest more energy out of them.

Design they swamped them over and exactly the same thing happened. And what we now know these foods are essentially predigested and you harvest more energy out of them.

And there are scientists all.

And there are scientists all.

Around the world where these big food companies work looking at the blessed point that combination of fat, salt, and sugar, any two of those three that hijack your reward systems and pringles got it neeled once.

Around the world where these big food companies work looking at the blessed point that combination of fat, salt, and sugar, any two of those three that hijack your reward systems and pringles got it neeled once.

You stop all of this stuff.

You stop all of this stuff.

That and buttered popcorn.

That and buttered popcorn.

Indeed, But this is the thing that people don't understand is that not only do you harvest more energy from this food, but it then drives and behavior because of the impact that it has on your reward system that makes you create more of it.

Indeed, But this is the thing that people don't understand is that not only do you harvest more energy from this food, but it then drives and behavior because of the impact that it has on your reward system that makes you create more of it.

Yeah, And the interesting thing I heard the other day is so dopamine is for our pleasure and it's reward and it's triggered by food. Serotonin is happiness. And I heard someone saying, I thought this was fascinating. Is we are no longer as happy as we used to be. We are seeking pleasure. We are pleasure seeking. We've forgotten what happiness is because happiness is not stimulated by food. Pleasure is stimulated by food. Exercise, on the other hand, so that serotonin release that you can get from the sunshine and being around other people, that's social interaction, that's that's the happiness. The serotonin's a happiness. Dopaminees a pleasure from the sugar and whatever else we choose to have.