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I'm Ryan Mink here with Garrett Downing and it is mock draft season. Garrett, we're about a month away from the first round of the twenty twenty five draft, so we're going to take the deep dive into some of the experts mock drafts that have recently come out and give you our take on those.

I'm Ryan Mink here with Garrett Downing and it is mock draft season. Garrett, we're about a month away from the first round of the twenty twenty five draft, so we're going to take the deep dive into some of the experts mock drafts that have recently come out and give you our take on those.

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Track or the experts obviously and picking this, so, you know, what do we think of those? Do we think that, do we agree with them, do we hate them?

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Yeah, break it all down, I think, just to kind of set the table for this conversation. I do think that around this time of the year you start to see a little bit of consensus and coming out of going into the combine, it's all over the place. You have these mocks that are vastly different. Then the combine happens and everybody's talking and everyone's in the same places and they're having these conversations. You also get to see everybody competing on a on a level playing field, and then so there starts to come up with some consent.

Yeah, break it all down, I think, just to kind of set the table for this conversation. I do think that around this time of the year you start to see a little bit of consensus and coming out of going into the combine, it's all over the place. You have these mocks that are vastly different. Then the combine happens and everybody's talking and everyone's in the same places and they're having these conversations. You also get to see everybody competing on a on a level playing field, and then so there starts to come up with some consent.

And they get to talk to front offices, Yeah, and figure out you get a little tidbits of information here and there, some of the insiders too.

And they get to talk to front offices, Yeah, and figure out you get a little tidbits of information here and there, some of the insiders too.

But the one thing that I will say coming out of the combine it happens every year, is after that week, you have fifty guys who everyone says our first round picks because you have players who blow up the combine and everybody has these guys who are rising up the board, and so I think that there's like a little bit of a boomerang effect that takes place in the mock drafts. Immediately after the combine, certain guys start flying up. And then when you see the mocks that come out at this time between now and the draft, some guys who flew up after the combine and then start to work their way back down, and then you maybe have a more realistic picture of what draft night is going to look like. Of course, there's so much uncertainty, but that's like generally how I see the mock draft process unfolding. And it's just fun to see all the conversation. Right now, I'll start with this.

But the one thing that I will say coming out of the combine it happens every year, is after that week, you have fifty guys who everyone says our first round picks because you have players who blow up the combine and everybody has these guys who are rising up the board, and so I think that there's like a little bit of a boomerang effect that takes place in the mock drafts. Immediately after the combine, certain guys start flying up. And then when you see the mocks that come out at this time between now and the draft, some guys who flew up after the combine and then start to work their way back down, and then you maybe have a more realistic picture of what draft night is going to look like. Of course, there's so much uncertainty, but that's like generally how I see the mock draft process unfolding. And it's just fun to see all the conversation. Right now, I'll start with this.

Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network tweeted this last week. He said, mock drafts are always an exercise in futility, but this year it's more challenging than ever before. Interesting, it's going to make the real draft a fun watch because we don't have any idea how these teams are going to stack so many similar players. And that's kind of what we've heard all along is okay, you know between after pick ten, there's really not much difference between pick eleven and pick forty, you know, And so thus I think that you're going to have a lot of different big boards. They're just going to be ranked differently. So it's it is interesting to hear somebody that's has dialed in, perhaps as anybody Daniel Jeremiah say, ah, I have no idea.

Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network tweeted this last week. He said, mock drafts are always an exercise in futility, but this year it's more challenging than ever before. Interesting, it's going to make the real draft a fun watch because we don't have any idea how these teams are going to stack so many similar players. And that's kind of what we've heard all along is okay, you know between after pick ten, there's really not much difference between pick eleven and pick forty, you know, And so thus I think that you're going to have a lot of different big boards. They're just going to be ranked differently. So it's it is interesting to hear somebody that's has dialed in, perhaps as anybody Daniel Jeremiah say, ah, I have no idea.

Yeah, I think that that is an interesting perspective because I've seen in recent years, and Eric Takasa has talked about this at times after drafts that like the board, our board seem to match the league's board, that like there seems to be a little bit more consensus around boars in the league as a whole. And why is that? Probably a little bit of just how the drafts have become bigger and bigger teams are investing more resources into it. The analytics that go behind it. All those reasons have led to teams I think having more similar boards and maybe this year it bucks the trend.

Yeah, I think that that is an interesting perspective because I've seen in recent years, and Eric Takasa has talked about this at times after drafts that like the board, our board seem to match the league's board, that like there seems to be a little bit more consensus around boars in the league as a whole. And why is that? Probably a little bit of just how the drafts have become bigger and bigger teams are investing more resources into it. The analytics that go behind it. All those reasons have led to teams I think having more similar boards and maybe this year it bucks the trend.

Yeah, and you're gonna see We'll start with Daniel Jeremias mock draft that he is pretty different from some of the other ones that you're seeing out here. So just going from the top, you know, no big surprises at the beginning, and he does have cam Ward as the consensus topic. And then he has s Tradur Sanders to the New York Giants at three.

Yeah, and you're gonna see We'll start with Daniel Jeremias mock draft that he is pretty different from some of the other ones that you're seeing out here. So just going from the top, you know, no big surprises at the beginning, and he does have cam Ward as the consensus topic. And then he has s Tradur Sanders to the New York Giants at three.

Right.

Right.

Then you keep scrolling down and I see Jehad Campbell, the Alabama linebacker who some people have linked to the Ravens, going at pick number nine overall. So you know, he's somebody that we've talked about. Is there any way that the Ravens could take the Alabama inside linebacker best player available if you were to get to twenty seven.

Then you keep scrolling down and I see Jehad Campbell, the Alabama linebacker who some people have linked to the Ravens, going at pick number nine overall. So you know, he's somebody that we've talked about. Is there any way that the Ravens could take the Alabama inside linebacker best player available if you were to get to twenty seven.

That was I was the final drive yesterday on that topic.

That was I was the final drive yesterday on that topic.

Exactly, and Daniel Jeremiah thinks there's no way that's happening. He's got him at number nine. And you keep going. Here's John A. Barron, the cornerback from Texas at eleven, right, and we're gonna get to this later, but a couple of prominent punnets have him to the Ravens at twenty seven. Daniel Jeremiah has him been eleven, right, so he's off the board now. Pick number thirteen here is Georgia safety Malachi Starks, who I've already made it clear.

Exactly, and Daniel Jeremiah thinks there's no way that's happening. He's got him at number nine. And you keep going. Here's John A. Barron, the cornerback from Texas at eleven, right, and we're gonna get to this later, but a couple of prominent punnets have him to the Ravens at twenty seven. Daniel Jeremiah has him been eleven, right, so he's off the board now. Pick number thirteen here is Georgia safety Malachi Starks, who I've already made it clear.

I played my flag.

I played my flag.

That's where it's at until I remove my flag and then playing it somewhere else. But Malachi Starks, that's the guy who right now, if you're asking me, I think that would be my Ravens mock draft pick. Daniel Jeremiah has him going to thirteenth overall to the Miami Dolphins, right so, and he's saying, the further that we get into the evaluation process, the more teams I find that are in love with Starks' game. He says he'd be a plug and play replacement for Jovon Holland you left Miami in free agency. So three interesting picks off the top of guys who we've talked a lot about at twenty seven potentially, and they're going in the top fifteen.

That's where it's at until I remove my flag and then playing it somewhere else. But Malachi Starks, that's the guy who right now, if you're asking me, I think that would be my Ravens mock draft pick. Daniel Jeremiah has him going to thirteenth overall to the Miami Dolphins, right so, and he's saying, the further that we get into the evaluation process, the more teams I find that are in love with Starks' game. He says he'd be a plug and play replacement for Jovon Holland you left Miami in free agency. So three interesting picks off the top of guys who we've talked a lot about at twenty seven potentially, and they're going in the top fifteen.

Yeah. The other thing too, that I'll make a point, we're doing the long build up before we unveiled Jeremiah's pick here in this most recent model, Well, you got a tease, but he actually has the Ravens passing on Shamar Stewart And going back to the point that I made, how there's a boomerang effect that happens with these mock drafts. Man, everybody had him going to the top fifteen after his combine performance when he really lit it up and was one of the most gifted athletic players to step on the field in Indianapolis, and everybody's saying, man, this guy is going to be tough to pass up in the first half of the first round, and he actually has him going all the way at thirty two going to the Eagles, which would be classic if the Eagles were to somehow end up with another great player on their defensive front. But it's just interesting that he has the Ravens passing on him who actually going into the combine, that's who we had the Ravens taking at twenty seven.

Yeah. The other thing too, that I'll make a point, we're doing the long build up before we unveiled Jeremiah's pick here in this most recent model, Well, you got a tease, but he actually has the Ravens passing on Shamar Stewart And going back to the point that I made, how there's a boomerang effect that happens with these mock drafts. Man, everybody had him going to the top fifteen after his combine performance when he really lit it up and was one of the most gifted athletic players to step on the field in Indianapolis, and everybody's saying, man, this guy is going to be tough to pass up in the first half of the first round, and he actually has him going all the way at thirty two going to the Eagles, which would be classic if the Eagles were to somehow end up with another great player on their defensive front. But it's just interesting that he has the Ravens passing on him who actually going into the combine, that's who we had the Ravens taking at twenty seven.

So all that said, yeah, that's very interesting.

So all that said, yeah, that's very interesting.

That would be very interesting if he were to make it all the way to the end of the first round, but he has the Ravens taking a defensive tackle Derek Harmon out of Oregon. He says, Harmon's ultra distroptive. He plays with outstanding effort and a motor that would be appreciated in Baltimore. Last time the Ravens took an Oregon defensive tackle in the first round, You remember who that was?

That would be very interesting if he were to make it all the way to the end of the first round, but he has the Ravens taking a defensive tackle Derek Harmon out of Oregon. He says, Harmon's ultra distroptive. He plays with outstanding effort and a motor that would be appreciated in Baltimore. Last time the Ravens took an Oregon defensive tackle in the first round, You remember who that was?

Yeah, loading Na, that one worked out pretty well.

Yeah, loading Na, that one worked out pretty well.

Took him a little earlier than pick twenty seven, but worked out pretty darn well. And I actually it's funny that you mentioned that, because I was like, how big is Derek Carmon versus Helodi?

Took him a little earlier than pick twenty seven, but worked out pretty darn well. And I actually it's funny that you mentioned that, because I was like, how big is Derek Carmon versus Helodi?

Nada? And very similar?

Nada? And very similar?

From a hype perspective, Harmon is considerably lighter than Helodi. But you know, I would like that pick to be honest. Everybody's talked all off season about how do you get the Eagles defense? How do you get so disruptive on front? Well, big part of that was the defensive tackles that they drafted in the first round, right, And you talk about disruption and pass rushing. We talked to Zach Orr about this, and I think too often it gets confused or conflated with edge rushers. The Eagles, sure they had talented edge rushers were it was the defensive tackles that made the biggest difference in my eye. Yeah, and so you put Derek Harmon in there alongside nom the mattab Gay, with Travis Jones, Brodercks Washington, some of these guys who you are loaded loaded up front in the on the defensive line, and that working in tandem with the edge rushers of a Da FAOA Kyle van Noy and those guys, they could make the Ravens defensive front really dangerous.

From a hype perspective, Harmon is considerably lighter than Helodi. But you know, I would like that pick to be honest. Everybody's talked all off season about how do you get the Eagles defense? How do you get so disruptive on front? Well, big part of that was the defensive tackles that they drafted in the first round, right, And you talk about disruption and pass rushing. We talked to Zach Orr about this, and I think too often it gets confused or conflated with edge rushers. The Eagles, sure they had talented edge rushers were it was the defensive tackles that made the biggest difference in my eye. Yeah, and so you put Derek Harmon in there alongside nom the mattab Gay, with Travis Jones, Brodercks Washington, some of these guys who you are loaded loaded up front in the on the defensive line, and that working in tandem with the edge rushers of a Da FAOA Kyle van Noy and those guys, they could make the Ravens defensive front really dangerous.

I thought it was pretty interesting to hear Zach talk about that, and we had him on the podcast last week if you want to go back and listen to that or watch that, had some great insight just overall on the defense going into this year. But at that point he may definitely resonated with me. And in this right up and talking about Harmon comes from lance'serline. He says he's unlikely to be a primary sack man, but he can be part of a swarm unit that batters the pocket. That sounds a lot like what Zach was talking about in the conversation that we had with him. And Yeah, I do think that Derek Harmon like he he could fit that that mold of what the Ravens are looking for. On their defensive front.

I thought it was pretty interesting to hear Zach talk about that, and we had him on the podcast last week if you want to go back and listen to that or watch that, had some great insight just overall on the defense going into this year. But at that point he may definitely resonated with me. And in this right up and talking about Harmon comes from lance'serline. He says he's unlikely to be a primary sack man, but he can be part of a swarm unit that batters the pocket. That sounds a lot like what Zach was talking about in the conversation that we had with him. And Yeah, I do think that Derek Harmon like he he could fit that that mold of what the Ravens are looking for. On their defensive front.

I mean, do you think that he can he can get after the quarterback too. He's a disruptive defensive tackle. This isn't a block eater. This is a guy that will shoot some gaffes. I mean last year at Oregon he had five sacks. He had eleven tackles for loss, So he was in the backfield a fair amount, yep.

I mean, do you think that he can he can get after the quarterback too. He's a disruptive defensive tackle. This isn't a block eater. This is a guy that will shoot some gaffes. I mean last year at Oregon he had five sacks. He had eleven tackles for loss, So he was in the backfield a fair amount, yep.

And so it's it's he's a disruptive player.

And so it's it's he's a disruptive player.

He is disruptive. He's not a guy that you're gonna get double digit sacks from. No, he had in his in his career, he had eight and a half sacks over three seasons between Michigan State and Oregon. So like, he's not a guy that you're expecting to put up Nomini Matabique sack production. But that's okay, that's not the only that's not the only thing that comes down to defensive tackle play.

He is disruptive. He's not a guy that you're gonna get double digit sacks from. No, he had in his in his career, he had eight and a half sacks over three seasons between Michigan State and Oregon. So like, he's not a guy that you're expecting to put up Nomini Matabique sack production. But that's okay, that's not the only that's not the only thing that comes down to defensive tackle play.

Well, let's keep in mind, No, Mattabik never had more than five and a half sacks in a season at Texas.

Well, let's keep in mind, No, Mattabik never had more than five and a half sacks in a season at Texas.

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Fair, he came out, yes, right, and he's a third round pick and now look how he developed. I'm not saying they're the same player. I think they're built a little bit differently. You know, you have two different bottle styles, two different plays styles. But can he become that kind of disruptive force. I wouldn't rule it out.

Fair, he came out, yes, right, and he's a third round pick and now look how he developed. I'm not saying they're the same player. I think they're built a little bit differently. You know, you have two different bottle styles, two different plays styles. But can he become that kind of disruptive force. I wouldn't rule it out.

Uh huh. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets that type of sack production specifically. But I think he's a really good player, and I think the Ravens if that's the Ravens ended up taking in the first round, I think that it would be it would be a good pick. I think that he'd be a guy that you feel like, Okay, our defense just got better. That's an area that you're looking to add. You're probably getting some value there because defensive tackle, especially one that's not putting up monster sack numbers, is probably not going as high as other positions. So like you probably are getting a player at twenty seven who's I don't know, top twenty on your board if the Ravens were to take him at that spot, and so you're probably getting more value there, which I think is part of what the Ravens are always looking for in the draft. So for all those reasons, I think it makes sense. The reason that I question it and I wonder is is it comes down to the positional value thing, and defensive tackle as a whole is really important. But the Ravens already have about a BK who they've invested big money in. They have Travis Jones, so they really like his development. Would you take a guy in the first round who is basically your your third guy in that rotation?

Uh huh. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets that type of sack production specifically. But I think he's a really good player, and I think the Ravens if that's the Ravens ended up taking in the first round, I think that it would be it would be a good pick. I think that he'd be a guy that you feel like, Okay, our defense just got better. That's an area that you're looking to add. You're probably getting some value there because defensive tackle, especially one that's not putting up monster sack numbers, is probably not going as high as other positions. So like you probably are getting a player at twenty seven who's I don't know, top twenty on your board if the Ravens were to take him at that spot, and so you're probably getting more value there, which I think is part of what the Ravens are always looking for in the draft. So for all those reasons, I think it makes sense. The reason that I question it and I wonder is is it comes down to the positional value thing, and defensive tackle as a whole is really important. But the Ravens already have about a BK who they've invested big money in. They have Travis Jones, so they really like his development. Would you take a guy in the first round who is basically your your third guy in that rotation?

Well, you play a three to four defense primarily put those three guys out there and on the defensive line you're rotating.

Well, you play a three to four defense primarily put those three guys out there and on the defensive line you're rotating.

So you're rotating so much.

So you're rotating so much.

I think Derek Harmon would get a lot of snaps even as a rookie. And you've lost Michael Pierce, Brent Urban still a free agent, so you have a need there and you roll out those three guys a lot on a consistent basis, and you can wreck shot.

I think Derek Harmon would get a lot of snaps even as a rookie. And you've lost Michael Pierce, Brent Urban still a free agent, so you have a need there and you roll out those three guys a lot on a consistent basis, and you can wreck shot.

I'm just the Ravens haven't drafted in the first two rounds a defensive lineman under Eric DaCosta. I believe right if I'm going in the first they've done it in the third round a couple of times. About a BK Travis Jones are two of the guys on that list. They haven't done it, and so that's what that's what makes me say I would be surprised just because they haven't done it.

I'm just the Ravens haven't drafted in the first two rounds a defensive lineman under Eric DaCosta. I believe right if I'm going in the first they've done it in the third round a couple of times. About a BK Travis Jones are two of the guys on that list. They haven't done it, and so that's what that's what makes me say I would be surprised just because they haven't done it.

But it's kind of due, right.

But it's kind of due, right.

They haven taken They've only taken one defensive tackle on the first two days in the past four drafts. Travis shows in the third round, So they're due for an investment at defensive tackle.

They haven taken They've only taken one defensive tackle on the first two days in the past four drafts. Travis shows in the third round, So they're due for an investment at defensive tackle.

You're gonna take one, huh, They're going to take somebody.

You're gonna take one, huh, They're going to take somebody.

They're definitely. It's how high you're saying that, I just invested high resources.

They're definitely. It's how high you're saying that, I just invested high resources.

That makes me the fact that they haven't invested first or second round picks in that position.

That makes me the fact that they haven't invested first or second round picks in that position.

Yeah, but look at what we were saying at center before they drafted tyle Leernmbholm. They never spend a center they you know, that's just not how they will operate. Yeah, then they use the first round pick on the center.

Yeah, but look at what we were saying at center before they drafted tyle Leernmbholm. They never spend a center they you know, that's just not how they will operate. Yeah, then they use the first round pick on the center.

Yeah. Fair, fair, And so maybe that's the case. I think that like they want to they they're going to want to invest there. It is considered to be a pretty deep defensive line draft, which also mays.

Yeah. Fair, fair, And so maybe that's the case. I think that like they want to they they're going to want to invest there. It is considered to be a pretty deep defensive line draft, which also mays.

Maybe maybe they wait.

Maybe maybe they wait.

I think also with Harmon, Mattabique was that athletic freak when he was coming out. Harmon is a big, versatile, really good player. I don't know that he has a single athletic trait that makes you a wow. Yeah, he's not a traitsy kind of guy, and we Eric Decasta has shown his penchant for he wants high upside. How what's the upside of Derek Carmon. I think that the floor of Derek Carmon is probably very high. I think he's going to be a very good player. Does he have the upside that Eric DeCosta is looking for for a first round pick at defensive tackle?

I think also with Harmon, Mattabique was that athletic freak when he was coming out. Harmon is a big, versatile, really good player. I don't know that he has a single athletic trait that makes you a wow. Yeah, he's not a traitsy kind of guy, and we Eric Decasta has shown his penchant for he wants high upside. How what's the upside of Derek Carmon. I think that the floor of Derek Carmon is probably very high. I think he's going to be a very good player. Does he have the upside that Eric DeCosta is looking for for a first round pick at defensive tackle?

I don't know all good questions, but I do think if that's who the Ravens ended up taking, you come out of the draft field like the defense just got better.

I don't know all good questions, but I do think if that's who the Ravens ended up taking, you come out of the draft field like the defense just got better.

Oh absolutely, like this the defense.

Oh absolutely, like this the defense.

This is a player who's going to make a difference on the defense as a rookie. And so if that's the way that the Ravens go, I think you feel pretty good about it.

This is a player who's going to make a difference on the defense as a rookie. And so if that's the way that the Ravens go, I think you feel pretty good about it.

Just you noted that Daniel Jeremiah had the Ravens passing on Shamar Stewart and just as a reminder, he was the player who really did not have much production sack production at Texas A and M at all over his career, but tested off the charts of the combine well. Daniel Jeremiah also had the Ravens passing on Georgia edge Mikel Williams, who is a player again, phenomenal athlete, dealt with injuries hampered his production last year, and Daniel Jeremiah has him going to twenty eight to the Detroit Lions. So two of the top edge rushers. Jeremiah has the Ravens passing on. And by the way, Michael Williams, I mean very high in other drafts. I mean, here's the Athletics draft eleven overall, right, and so for whatever reason, you know, I think Daniel Jeremiah maybe does not think another draft from Athletic. The Athletics beat reporters and each for each team, and he has them at number eight overall to the Carolina Pantas.

Just you noted that Daniel Jeremiah had the Ravens passing on Shamar Stewart and just as a reminder, he was the player who really did not have much production sack production at Texas A and M at all over his career, but tested off the charts of the combine well. Daniel Jeremiah also had the Ravens passing on Georgia edge Mikel Williams, who is a player again, phenomenal athlete, dealt with injuries hampered his production last year, and Daniel Jeremiah has him going to twenty eight to the Detroit Lions. So two of the top edge rushers. Jeremiah has the Ravens passing on. And by the way, Michael Williams, I mean very high in other drafts. I mean, here's the Athletics draft eleven overall, right, and so for whatever reason, you know, I think Daniel Jeremiah maybe does not think another draft from Athletic. The Athletics beat reporters and each for each team, and he has them at number eight overall to the Carolina Pantas.

So like some some drafts have him as top ten, top ten. And that's kind of the point that what we're talking about with the draft. And he said it, but he was trying to get out in front of this draft, this mock. He's saying, Look, everybody's got different opinions on this thing. So you're gonna see things all across exactly on the prediction.

So like some some drafts have him as top ten, top ten. And that's kind of the point that what we're talking about with the draft. And he said it, but he was trying to get out in front of this draft, this mock. He's saying, Look, everybody's got different opinions on this thing. So you're gonna see things all across exactly on the prediction.

We're gonna think I'm crazy with some of these I'm putting.

We're gonna think I'm crazy with some of these I'm putting.

This out in advance. I just want everybody to know this, and he could very well be right. He usually is in terms of like the consensus around the league and the consensus. Maybe that there is no consensus this year.

This out in advance. I just want everybody to know this, and he could very well be right. He usually is in terms of like the consensus around the league and the consensus. Maybe that there is no consensus this year.

Yeah, yeah, very interesting. All right, So moving on to mel kiper Junior's mock draft. Of course, we got to talk about mel and we won't draw it out as long as this time. At number twenty seven, he has the Ravens selecting safety Malachi Starks from Georgia.

Yeah, yeah, very interesting. All right, So moving on to mel kiper Junior's mock draft. Of course, we got to talk about mel and we won't draw it out as long as this time. At number twenty seven, he has the Ravens selecting safety Malachi Starks from Georgia.

Yeah, my guy, which I think that would be a great pick. I came out way. I came away from the Combine feeling like if the Ravens were able to land Malachi Starks out of Georgia or Nick even Worry Safety out of South Carolina, both really talented, versatile players who seem like they'd be per fits in this defense, I think that would be a home run. Either of those guys would be home run picks for the Ravens. It does seem like even Worry is in that category of player who really helped his stock at the Combine, and I'm not seeing him around at twenty seven and many mock drafts anymore. And Starks is kind of a mixed bag. I don't see him getting past twenty seven in the mocks that I've been looking at, and a lot of them have him going before the Ravens are on the board. Speak in part because of what jeremiahs about out in his that the more people you talk to, the more everybody loves this guy's game. Just a really sound player. So if he's there, I honestly think if either of those guys are there, you probably just take them and you feel really good about where your defense is on the whole.

Yeah, my guy, which I think that would be a great pick. I came out way. I came away from the Combine feeling like if the Ravens were able to land Malachi Starks out of Georgia or Nick even Worry Safety out of South Carolina, both really talented, versatile players who seem like they'd be per fits in this defense, I think that would be a home run. Either of those guys would be home run picks for the Ravens. It does seem like even Worry is in that category of player who really helped his stock at the Combine, and I'm not seeing him around at twenty seven and many mock drafts anymore. And Starks is kind of a mixed bag. I don't see him getting past twenty seven in the mocks that I've been looking at, and a lot of them have him going before the Ravens are on the board. Speak in part because of what jeremiahs about out in his that the more people you talk to, the more everybody loves this guy's game. Just a really sound player. So if he's there, I honestly think if either of those guys are there, you probably just take them and you feel really good about where your defense is on the whole.

Yeah, I like Malachi Starks.

Yeah, I like Malachi Starks.

I think he's a very good pick, a very good fit for what the Ravens are looking for in their defense. He's to me, between he and Nick Emm and worry, Malachi Starks is the better compliment to Kyle Hamilton. He's more of a center fielder, true free safety type player. And look, there's making no bones about it. The Ravens want to get more takeaways on defense. You look at the playoff loss in Buffalo, and you look at playoff losses in years prior takeaways. They want more takeaways and Malki Starks has the hands, the ability, the range, to do that. Plus he's very versatile. He can play and he can play in the slot. He can play just about everywhere in your secondary. Yeah, and you know a player who had six career interceptions. I think that Malachi Starks is a very good fit at a position of need because, as we've talked about so much, the Ravens are down to veteran safeties that they had midway through last year. You know, Marcus Williams is being released. They already parted ways with Jackson, Eddie Jackson, thank you, and so they are looking for another safety at least one to add to this mix.

I think he's a very good pick, a very good fit for what the Ravens are looking for in their defense. He's to me, between he and Nick Emm and worry, Malachi Starks is the better compliment to Kyle Hamilton. He's more of a center fielder, true free safety type player. And look, there's making no bones about it. The Ravens want to get more takeaways on defense. You look at the playoff loss in Buffalo, and you look at playoff losses in years prior takeaways. They want more takeaways and Malki Starks has the hands, the ability, the range, to do that. Plus he's very versatile. He can play and he can play in the slot. He can play just about everywhere in your secondary. Yeah, and you know a player who had six career interceptions. I think that Malachi Starks is a very good fit at a position of need because, as we've talked about so much, the Ravens are down to veteran safeties that they had midway through last year. You know, Marcus Williams is being released. They already parted ways with Jackson, Eddie Jackson, thank you, and so they are looking for another safety at least one to add to this mix.

Yeah, you're right, and I agree with you in terms of Malachi Starks being the right fit. The thing that's interesting I kind of felt.

Yeah, you're right, and I agree with you in terms of Malachi Starks being the right fit. The thing that's interesting I kind of felt.

Like you did.

Like you did.

I mean, this guy's he's more of that center fielder, more in the Marcus Williams mold of like being that free safety, ball hawking center fielder, and he has that ability. But he is like when you talk to him, every other word out of his mouth about his game is versatility, versatility, versatility. I can play in the slot, I can play deep, I can come up and hit, I can defend the run. I can cover a tight end, I can cover receiver like I can do any of those things. And so, and I don't think he's just blown the smoke just to say that because he thinks that's what teams want to hear. I think that he really believes and has done it.

I mean, this guy's he's more of that center fielder, more in the Marcus Williams mold of like being that free safety, ball hawking center fielder, and he has that ability. But he is like when you talk to him, every other word out of his mouth about his game is versatility, versatility, versatility. I can play in the slot, I can play deep, I can come up and hit, I can defend the run. I can cover a tight end, I can cover receiver like I can do any of those things. And so, and I don't think he's just blown the smoke just to say that because he thinks that's what teams want to hear. I think that he really believes and has done it.

Like he's not all over in Georgia's defense, he's all over the place.

Like he's not all over in Georgia's defense, he's all over the place.

He finished more as in that center fielder role he.

He finished more as in that center fielder role he.

Did, but he moved all over the place during his college career. And so I think that the Ravens could take him and they could put him back and just say cover the back end of the field well, or they could just continue to be versatile with him.

Did, but he moved all over the place during his college career. And so I think that the Ravens could take him and they could put him back and just say cover the back end of the field well, or they could just continue to be versatile with him.

And definitely and Ard Areas, Yeah, definitely, they're still going to move their pieces around.

And definitely and Ard Areas, Yeah, definitely, they're still going to move their pieces around.

But I think that he.

But I think that he.

Generally speaking, would play more of that deeper safety role. That's what he projects to I think more.

Generally speaking, would play more of that deeper safety role. That's what he projects to I think more.

But he can also, yeah, he can.

But he can also, yeah, he can.

Versatility is a word that every team, some more than others value. The Ravens are one of those teams that value that a lot.

Versatility is a word that every team, some more than others value. The Ravens are one of those teams that value that a lot.

Yep, So two max two defensive players, what's mock number three are sticking on the defensive side of the ball here, We're.

Yep, So two max two defensive players, what's mock number three are sticking on the defensive side of the ball here, We're.

Gonna stick on the defensive side of the ball, and this one comes from the athletics Dane Breuler, another Trust's source, and he has the Ravens taking cornerback John A. Barn out of Texas, and this actually matches their beat writer's mock draft pick in which each reporter covering the team makes their selection, and Jeff's the reback of the athletic friend of lounge. He also took John Ay Barron out of Texas, and you talk about another versatile defensive back. Baron is to a lot of draft knicks. They project him best as a slot corner and could become a premier slot corner, which hey, that fits the Ravens, you know they have They can certainly play Marlon humph Humphrey outside as well as of course Nate Wiggins is a boundary corner, so he would fit. Really you want versatility, and I think John ay and can play outside as well.

Gonna stick on the defensive side of the ball, and this one comes from the athletics Dane Breuler, another Trust's source, and he has the Ravens taking cornerback John A. Barn out of Texas, and this actually matches their beat writer's mock draft pick in which each reporter covering the team makes their selection, and Jeff's the reback of the athletic friend of lounge. He also took John Ay Barron out of Texas, and you talk about another versatile defensive back. Baron is to a lot of draft knicks. They project him best as a slot corner and could become a premier slot corner, which hey, that fits the Ravens, you know they have They can certainly play Marlon humph Humphrey outside as well as of course Nate Wiggins is a boundary corner, so he would fit. Really you want versatility, and I think John ay and can play outside as well.

He had he had eight interceptions over the course of the last three seasons, So you get a ball hawk here in terms of that like prototypical size, like you're talking about he's five eleven one nine five, so he doesn't have like the outside but he's not He's not like a super small guy. You know, he's he doesn't have like the prototype size that you love in an outside corner, but he can hold his own. I don't think he's like super undersized, So I don't want to overstate the size thing on him.

He had he had eight interceptions over the course of the last three seasons, So you get a ball hawk here in terms of that like prototypical size, like you're talking about he's five eleven one nine five, so he doesn't have like the outside but he's not He's not like a super small guy. You know, he's he doesn't have like the prototype size that you love in an outside corner, but he can hold his own. I don't think he's like super undersized, So I don't want to overstate the size thing on him.

Yeah, five eleven. It's not a deal breaker for a corner at all.

Yeah, five eleven. It's not a deal breaker for a corner at all.

Oh, I don't think so at all. So five years in college, I think that, like there's a lot of there's a lot of talk here about the Ravens drafting in this space outside corner, inside corner, safety, someone in the secondary, and like, if it's Barren, I think that would be a fine pick. You get a guy who can be a really productive player. You also mentioned Ballhawk again.

Oh, I don't think so at all. So five years in college, I think that, like there's a lot of there's a lot of talk here about the Ravens drafting in this space outside corner, inside corner, safety, someone in the secondary, and like, if it's Barren, I think that would be a fine pick. You get a guy who can be a really productive player. You also mentioned Ballhawk again.

Five interceptions, five interceptions last year, eight over the course of the last three so he can get He has good instincts once the ball is in the air, he kind of attacks it like a wide receiver.

Five interceptions, five interceptions last year, eight over the course of the last three so he can get He has good instincts once the ball is in the air, he kind of attacks it like a wide receiver.

So I think for all those reasons, he could be a really good fit. And like if you when you're drafting where the Ravens typically draft, and you're hitting a home run, a lot of times it's because a player falls for some reason or another. You don't teams don't know exactly how he projects. Is he an inside corner, is he an outside corner? What's his natural position? All those things often end or it's not a position that's a premier position, like a traditional outside corner or an edge rusher or a receiver. So for those reasons you can you're looking for value. And so if if Baron falls down the board because teams aren't sure if he's an inside corner or an outside corner, and he may not have the prototypical size of what you want, but he's super productive as a ballhawk and has really good cover skills.

So I think for all those reasons, he could be a really good fit. And like if you when you're drafting where the Ravens typically draft, and you're hitting a home run, a lot of times it's because a player falls for some reason or another. You don't teams don't know exactly how he projects. Is he an inside corner, is he an outside corner? What's his natural position? All those things often end or it's not a position that's a premier position, like a traditional outside corner or an edge rusher or a receiver. So for those reasons you can you're looking for value. And so if if Baron falls down the board because teams aren't sure if he's an inside corner or an outside corner, and he may not have the prototypical size of what you want, but he's super productive as a ballhawk and has really good cover skills.

Very very good testing numbers at the company. He ran a four to three nine.

Very very good testing numbers at the company. He ran a four to three nine.

It's like super fast, great tape is good. Great when their productive in college. Okay, that's great, then sign me up.

It's like super fast, great tape is good. Great when their productive in college. Okay, that's great, then sign me up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's drawing a lot of comparisons to Trent McDuffie and who has been a really good first round pick by the Kansas City Chiefs. Versatile slot corner, can cover tight ends.

He's drawing a lot of comparisons to Trent McDuffie and who has been a really good first round pick by the Kansas City Chiefs. Versatile slot corner, can cover tight ends.

John A. Barron could be that type of player in Baltimore.

John A. Barron could be that type of player in Baltimore.

Another one who kind of it's not the exact same like just from a standpoint of what's his position. Cooper Degen last year from Iowa, who of course ended up going to the Eagles, got an interception in the Super Bowl. Like there's there's a little more safety. The question there was safety corner, what's his position there? But like just from a how does he project conversation, I think that there's like similarities when you have that talk about guys like McDuffie or dejeane and Baron as well.

Another one who kind of it's not the exact same like just from a standpoint of what's his position. Cooper Degen last year from Iowa, who of course ended up going to the Eagles, got an interception in the Super Bowl. Like there's there's a little more safety. The question there was safety corner, what's his position there? But like just from a how does he project conversation, I think that there's like similarities when you have that talk about guys like McDuffie or dejeane and Baron as well.

Yeah, I agree, I think an interesting team to watch when we're having all these conversations about who the Ravens could pick and somebody in the secretary and a safety. You know, we were talking about male Kai Starks the Philadelphia Eagles. You always have to keep an eye on the Eagles because they are looking for safety. They just traded their top safety and if there's somebody that could come up and come get a Malachi Starks has have the Eagles drafted anybody from Georgia on the Georgia defense recently, Yeah, that'd be one I watch well.

Yeah, I agree, I think an interesting team to watch when we're having all these conversations about who the Ravens could pick and somebody in the secretary and a safety. You know, we were talking about male Kai Starks the Philadelphia Eagles. You always have to keep an eye on the Eagles because they are looking for safety. They just traded their top safety and if there's somebody that could come up and come get a Malachi Starks has have the Eagles drafted anybody from Georgia on the Georgia defense recently, Yeah, that'd be one I watch well.

They also don't forget a few years ago in the Kyle Hamilton Draft, the Eagles traded in front of the Ravens. They ended up taking from Georgia Jordan Davis, who a lot of people had mocked to the Ravens a big defensive tackle. Uh, they ended up taking him right before the Ravens and the Ravens got Hamilton. Of course that worked out, really worked out for both sides, to be honest. But so they there's been a lot on draft weekend. There's a lot of connections between the Ravens and the Eagles exactly what marks drafts draft and so there's a lot of connections there between those two teams, and that wouldn surprise me. The other team actually that I think is one to watch when it comes to this corner conversation, it is Seattle. They're drafting ahead of the Ravens, pretty well ahead of the Ravens that they're at eighteen. And so some of these guys like Will Howard out of Michigan and he's probably long gone most likely. But like, if there's somebody who starts sliding down the board who you're hoping like, okay, could they could they fall? Seattle's a team there that could kind of be a could be that the end the end of the fall for so any of these guys. So you're hoping end up making it to the Ravens in the secondary.

They also don't forget a few years ago in the Kyle Hamilton Draft, the Eagles traded in front of the Ravens. They ended up taking from Georgia Jordan Davis, who a lot of people had mocked to the Ravens a big defensive tackle. Uh, they ended up taking him right before the Ravens and the Ravens got Hamilton. Of course that worked out, really worked out for both sides, to be honest. But so they there's been a lot on draft weekend. There's a lot of connections between the Ravens and the Eagles exactly what marks drafts draft and so there's a lot of connections there between those two teams, and that wouldn surprise me. The other team actually that I think is one to watch when it comes to this corner conversation, it is Seattle. They're drafting ahead of the Ravens, pretty well ahead of the Ravens that they're at eighteen. And so some of these guys like Will Howard out of Michigan and he's probably long gone most likely. But like, if there's somebody who starts sliding down the board who you're hoping like, okay, could they could they fall? Seattle's a team there that could kind of be a could be that the end the end of the fall for so any of these guys. So you're hoping end up making it to the Ravens in the secondary.

Two players I look at for Seattle, Jehad Campbell, the linebacker. I think Mike McDonald likes a versatile He can play on the edge, he play inside, he can do a lot of things, or the moving piece like him. You're talking about versatile defenders. That's what Mike McDonald's wants in his defense. I look at Jehad Campbell and Nick em and worry.

Two players I look at for Seattle, Jehad Campbell, the linebacker. I think Mike McDonald likes a versatile He can play on the edge, he play inside, he can do a lot of things, or the moving piece like him. You're talking about versatile defenders. That's what Mike McDonald's wants in his defense. I look at Jehad Campbell and Nick em and worry.

Yeah, so those are like that Seattle's.

Yeah, so those are like that Seattle's.

I mean, Amory is the closest thing you're gonna get to Kyle Hamilton in this year's draft certainly. Yeah, big bodied, big dude who can play down in the box, you can go deep.

I mean, Amory is the closest thing you're gonna get to Kyle Hamilton in this year's draft certainly. Yeah, big bodied, big dude who can play down in the box, you can go deep.

Yeah, I think that like that's a team that I'm definitely gonna be watching closely because of Mike in the way that he wants to build his defense. So that will be a team to watch on draft night. So let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to talk about another mock draft and the possibility of the Ravens pulling off surprise in the first round. You're listening to the Launch podcast. We are coming to you from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to mention our partners at Draft King Sports book. They are an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft King sports book. The Crown is yours. So one other mock draft that I want to mention, and this is going to lead off to an interesting conversation, but is the is Todd McShay. In his most recent mock draft. Tod mcshaye, a long time worked at ESPN, now works at The Ringer. He has the Ravens taking Tterea McMillan wide receiver out of Arizona at twenty seven overall. He's six four two and twenty pounds, so he's the big bodied wide receiver that I know Ravens fans have talked about for a while. The range is on him from a draft standpoint are all over the place. In McShay obviously has him going at the end of the first round. I've seen others where he's up close to the top ten. So what do you think of the possibility of the Ravens going with McMillan in the first round.

Yeah, I think that like that's a team that I'm definitely gonna be watching closely because of Mike in the way that he wants to build his defense. So that will be a team to watch on draft night. So let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to talk about another mock draft and the possibility of the Ravens pulling off surprise in the first round. You're listening to the Launch podcast. We are coming to you from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to mention our partners at Draft King Sports book. They are an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft King sports book. The Crown is yours. So one other mock draft that I want to mention, and this is going to lead off to an interesting conversation, but is the is Todd McShay. In his most recent mock draft. Tod mcshaye, a long time worked at ESPN, now works at The Ringer. He has the Ravens taking Tterea McMillan wide receiver out of Arizona at twenty seven overall. He's six four two and twenty pounds, so he's the big bodied wide receiver that I know Ravens fans have talked about for a while. The range is on him from a draft standpoint are all over the place. In McShay obviously has him going at the end of the first round. I've seen others where he's up close to the top ten. So what do you think of the possibility of the Ravens going with McMillan in the first round.

I don't see it.

I don't see it.

Obviously, there's not an immediate need, especially after draft or signing DeAndre Hopkins.

Obviously, there's not an immediate need, especially after draft or signing DeAndre Hopkins.

A comparable player.

A comparable player.

You're talking about a big bodied fifty to fifty guy who's going to go up and make this catch those catches. That's obviously DeAndre Hopkins. Now, of course, DeAndre Hopkins is on a one year deal, so this is really a best player available future outlook. But you just re sign Rashad Bateman to a contract extension last offseason. You have Zay Flowers, who's entering his third season and hopefully we'll be around here for a long time. That would be an embarrassment of Riches a wide receiver. Yeah, and you can never put it past the Ravens to just go with best player available.

You're talking about a big bodied fifty to fifty guy who's going to go up and make this catch those catches. That's obviously DeAndre Hopkins. Now, of course, DeAndre Hopkins is on a one year deal, so this is really a best player available future outlook. But you just re sign Rashad Bateman to a contract extension last offseason. You have Zay Flowers, who's entering his third season and hopefully we'll be around here for a long time. That would be an embarrassment of Riches a wide receiver. Yeah, and you can never put it past the Ravens to just go with best player available.

But I don't see that one.

But I don't see that one.

Yeah, as much as the Ravens have invested in wide receiver under Aericon Costa and they've taken multiple swings at that position, I mean, this could be like taking a swing with a three to zero count, which like sometimes works and you knock it out of the park. But it just seems like they have the players at that spot.

Yeah, as much as the Ravens have invested in wide receiver under Aericon Costa and they've taken multiple swings at that position, I mean, this could be like taking a swing with a three to zero count, which like sometimes works and you knock it out of the park. But it just seems like they have the players at that spot.

And so twenty twenty five and beyond, it's not just sometimes it's all right, let's look at twenty twenty six, what's this roster gonna look like?

And so twenty twenty five and beyond, it's not just sometimes it's all right, let's look at twenty twenty six, what's this roster gonna look like?

Then? Okay, you still have save Flowers and Shaw Bateman.

Then? Okay, you still have save Flowers and Shaw Bateman.

Yeah, yeah, that would that would surprise me. And so I'm not like completely rolling out.

Yeah, yeah, that would that would surprise me. And so I'm not like completely rolling out.

I don't think he's gonna make it that far.

I don't think he's gonna make it that far.

Yeah, I mean everybody's sliding him down the board because he ran a four four eight forty yard dashes pro day. It's not it's not Garrett Downing slow. We're not in the four nines, right, you know, I mean, okay, so it would have been the twenty fifth fastest time of the combine, all right for like being projected as a top wide receiver. Not exactly what you want to see, but we're splitting hairs here.

Yeah, I mean everybody's sliding him down the board because he ran a four four eight forty yard dashes pro day. It's not it's not Garrett Downing slow. We're not in the four nines, right, you know, I mean, okay, so it would have been the twenty fifth fastest time of the combine, all right for like being projected as a top wide receiver. Not exactly what you want to see, but we're splitting hairs here.

Four to eight Yeah, not that bad.

Four to eight Yeah, not that bad.

And he's a big receiver, so like his game is not just speed, he's also to go up and win those jump balls.

And he's a big receiver, so like his game is not just speed, he's also to go up and win those jump balls.

I have a hard time seeing him sliding that far the top wide receiver in the draft till twenty seven.

I have a hard time seeing him sliding that far the top wide receiver in the draft till twenty seven.

Yeah, that would be surprising, very surprising. So that one and just in general, him him removed from the conversation. You and I both are of the belief that taking a first round receiver would that would that would be the jaw dropping moment for you on draft night.

Yeah, that would be surprising, very surprising. So that one and just in general, him him removed from the conversation. You and I both are of the belief that taking a first round receiver would that would that would be the jaw dropping moment for you on draft night.

Oh? Absolutely, yeah, Joel would hit the floor.

Oh? Absolutely, yeah, Joel would hit the floor.

Yeah, I mean, I think that the Ravens are going to go defense in the first round.

Yeah, I mean, I think that the Ravens are going to go defense in the first round.

That that's my prediction.

That that's my prediction.

Yeah, I think that that's how I feel as well. Uh. The other one that we haven't hit at all in these mocks is offensive line and whether they could end up taking an offensive lineman. Now, of course they resigned Ronnie Stanley. If you're really good about Roger Rosegarden, it would be a guard, it would be a guard. Taylor book Booker out of Alabama, And when I did Final Drive yesterday, I talked about Tyler Booker and jahad Ward both as like the guy who ends up following that the Ravens end up getting, who's a plug and play starter, really good player, who you're like, man, how did he fall well? Just because John Campbell plays off ball linebacker not as valued, Tyler Booker plays guard, not as valued, primarily left guard. But like, he's a dude who's just a dominant run blocker who could fit right in perfectly on this offensive line.

Yeah, I think that that's how I feel as well. Uh. The other one that we haven't hit at all in these mocks is offensive line and whether they could end up taking an offensive lineman. Now, of course they resigned Ronnie Stanley. If you're really good about Roger Rosegarden, it would be a guard, it would be a guard. Taylor book Booker out of Alabama, And when I did Final Drive yesterday, I talked about Tyler Booker and jahad Ward both as like the guy who ends up following that the Ravens end up getting, who's a plug and play starter, really good player, who you're like, man, how did he fall well? Just because John Campbell plays off ball linebacker not as valued, Tyler Booker plays guard, not as valued, primarily left guard. But like, he's a dude who's just a dominant run blocker who could fit right in perfectly on this offensive line.

I just saw a mock draft from Pro Football Focus in which they predicted Tyler Booker as well, and so I wouldn't rule it out. I think the Ravens really like Andrew Vorhees. I think he has great potential. He won the starting job out of training camp last year. But I'm also not going to sit here and I don't think Andrew Vorhees even he would say he's in a position where, oh yeah, my starting job is locked up, I don't have to worry about it going into the summer. Like he very much needs to win that job that he is not enough, you know, Zave Flowers position here where you can pencil put him in the ink as the starter. So could the Ravens say, hey, we're going to take a big swing and you know what else, the Eagles had a really good group of offensive line. They could certainly go get Tyler Booker and say we're going to have a big, physical, nasty O line and we're gonna get after you.

I just saw a mock draft from Pro Football Focus in which they predicted Tyler Booker as well, and so I wouldn't rule it out. I think the Ravens really like Andrew Vorhees. I think he has great potential. He won the starting job out of training camp last year. But I'm also not going to sit here and I don't think Andrew Vorhees even he would say he's in a position where, oh yeah, my starting job is locked up, I don't have to worry about it going into the summer. Like he very much needs to win that job that he is not enough, you know, Zave Flowers position here where you can pencil put him in the ink as the starter. So could the Ravens say, hey, we're going to take a big swing and you know what else, the Eagles had a really good group of offensive line. They could certainly go get Tyler Booker and say we're going to have a big, physical, nasty O line and we're gonna get after you.

Yeah, well, I don't I think that approach could certainly work for the same reason that we talked about on the defensive side of the ball. How the Ravens haven't like they took Tyler Linnerbaum in the first round. When's the last time they took a guard?

Yeah, well, I don't I think that approach could certainly work for the same reason that we talked about on the defensive side of the ball. How the Ravens haven't like they took Tyler Linnerbaum in the first round. When's the last time they took a guard?

Was it?

Was it?

Ben Grubbs exactly see this.

Ben Grubbs exactly see this.

I'm going to counter my earlier argument, but Their track record at guard has been middle rounds draft and developed. Keep that pipeline well stocked and keep developing these guys.

I'm going to counter my earlier argument, but Their track record at guard has been middle rounds draft and developed. Keep that pipeline well stocked and keep developing these guys.

I have a hard doubt well and it's worked out well.

I have a hard doubt well and it's worked out well.

I have a hard time seeing them investing a first round pick at guard.

I have a hard time seeing them investing a first round pick at guard.

Yeah, that's what makes it. I'm with you. I would be surprising to see them do that. They also already have like some significant investment along the offensive line. Lennardbaum was the first round pick. They're also gonna have to pay him. They just paid Rodnie Stanley. They used a second round pick on Roger Rose Garden at right guard. Of course was a third round pick, and so he fits that category of what we're talking about, like the mid round draft and develop.

Yeah, that's what makes it. I'm with you. I would be surprising to see them do that. They also already have like some significant investment along the offensive line. Lennardbaum was the first round pick. They're also gonna have to pay him. They just paid Rodnie Stanley. They used a second round pick on Roger Rose Garden at right guard. Of course was a third round pick, and so he fits that category of what we're talking about, like the mid round draft and develop.

He was a tackle, really he was.

He was a tackle, really he was.

Yeah, yeah, but but he was a developmental mid round pick who now of course ends up being a starting guard.

Yeah, yeah, but but he was a developmental mid round pick who now of course ends up being a starting guard.

Ben Bradison was a fourth round pick be turned in to a starter.

Ben Bradison was a fourth round pick be turned in to a starter.

Ben Betterson, Ben Powers, Ben Cleveland was a third round pick. There is there a Ben in this draft. Look for a big then the third round, third fourth round Ben at guard? Who can we pick pencil in?

Ben Betterson, Ben Powers, Ben Cleveland was a third round pick. There is there a Ben in this draft. Look for a big then the third round, third fourth round Ben at guard? Who can we pick pencil in?

Yeah, to your earlier point, BEng Groves, yes, was the last one. It's gonna have to be together my Ravens seven round. I'm telling you, I'm looking for a bed.

Yeah, to your earlier point, BEng Groves, yes, was the last one. It's gonna have to be together my Ravens seven round. I'm telling you, I'm looking for a bed.

We both ought we're gonna both end up taking a band in the mid as a guard this year. So yeah, so that one, that one would surprise me as well. I'm with you.

We both ought we're gonna both end up taking a band in the mid as a guard this year. So yeah, so that one, that one would surprise me as well. I'm with you.

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I'm wearing my Maryland polo here.

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And I thought of a fun This got me thinking they're big win Derrek Queen the buzzer beater to make it to the six sweet sixteen. It got me thinking about Ravens walkoffs, and so we put together a little list of walk off touchdowns the Ravens have had in franchise history. Okay, one was the Tylan Wallace hunt return against the Rams. Okay, another was Marquise Brown with the touchdown against the Colts, the huge comeback win. Mark Andrews scored multiple times in that comeback as well the twenty twenty one comeback Mark East Brown five yards out. And then there was also Josh Wilson against the Texans, the pick six against Matt Schab had a pension for throwing a few of those in twenty ten pick six against the Texans to beat them.

And I thought of a fun This got me thinking they're big win Derrek Queen the buzzer beater to make it to the six sweet sixteen. It got me thinking about Ravens walkoffs, and so we put together a little list of walk off touchdowns the Ravens have had in franchise history. Okay, one was the Tylan Wallace hunt return against the Rams. Okay, another was Marquise Brown with the touchdown against the Colts, the huge comeback win. Mark Andrews scored multiple times in that comeback as well the twenty twenty one comeback Mark East Brown five yards out. And then there was also Josh Wilson against the Texans, the pick six against Matt Schab had a pension for throwing a few of those in twenty ten pick six against the Texans to beat them.

I remember that one. That was pretty cool. And then the other one was.

I remember that one. That was pretty cool. And then the other one was.

The Will the Thrill Hill, Yeah, the kick six in Cleveland. So those are the four walk off touchdowns the Ravens have scored in franchise history. Okay, there's a bunch of also, like interceptions CJ. Mosley against brown stuff like that, right, but these are touchdowns, yeah, Okay, which how do you rank those?

The Will the Thrill Hill, Yeah, the kick six in Cleveland. So those are the four walk off touchdowns the Ravens have scored in franchise history. Okay, there's a bunch of also, like interceptions CJ. Mosley against brown stuff like that, right, but these are touchdowns, yeah, Okay, which how do you rank those?

Well?

Well?

My number one would be Tyland Wallace and that really yeah, and I was torn. The ones that jumped out to me were the tailand Wallace touchdown against against the Rams, and then the.

My number one would be Tyland Wallace and that really yeah, and I was torn. The ones that jumped out to me were the tailand Wallace touchdown against against the Rams, and then the.

Will Hill kick six, kick six.

Will Hill kick six, kick six.

That's what I loved about the the kick six play in Cleveland was like the Browns were setting up to win that gamebevable, and so you're thinking like, man, this is a tough, tough l here. Uh, just disappointing to lose this game. And so the range of emotions there where you're basically thinking like, oh, this is going to be a tough flight home to just jubilation. That was that was awesome. But Tylan Wallace that one against the Rams where I gave it an edge, like it was awesome that it happened down the Ravens sideline at home, like there was something epic about that play. And then it was like having it happen at Mt. Bak Stadium takes it to another level, Like the excitement of it is so much greater than watching the disappointment, like I was in I was in the stadium for both and in Cleveland, it was like silent except for the raven.

That's what I loved about the the kick six play in Cleveland was like the Browns were setting up to win that gamebevable, and so you're thinking like, man, this is a tough, tough l here. Uh, just disappointing to lose this game. And so the range of emotions there where you're basically thinking like, oh, this is going to be a tough flight home to just jubilation. That was that was awesome. But Tylan Wallace that one against the Rams where I gave it an edge, like it was awesome that it happened down the Ravens sideline at home, like there was something epic about that play. And then it was like having it happen at Mt. Bak Stadium takes it to another level, Like the excitement of it is so much greater than watching the disappointment, like I was in I was in the stadium for both and in Cleveland, it was like silent except for the raven.

Sideline, which is that's kind of fun too.

Sideline, which is that's kind of fun too.

It's kind of fun. It is fun. It was fun. I was having a great time when that happened, but having it happened in Baltimore just took it to another level. So it so that's and then and then for me, like the Marquise Brown touchdown that Colts game, like that game was so back, well it was.

It's kind of fun. It is fun. It was fun. I was having a great time when that happened, but having it happened in Baltimore just took it to another level. So it so that's and then and then for me, like the Marquise Brown touchdown that Colts game, like that game was so back, well it was.

It was a nineteen point comeback in the second half.

It was a nineteen point comeback in the second half.

The Colts were up big and also at home, and then the Ravens came roaring back. But that was like a long comeback. They had to race this long comeback where you had lots of big moments within that where like the Tiland wallh you think about that game. You think about those jerseys and just like that tailand palm return, that's just.

The Colts were up big and also at home, and then the Ravens came roaring back. But that was like a long comeback. They had to race this long comeback where you had lots of big moments within that where like the Tiland wallh you think about that game. You think about those jerseys and just like that tailand palm return, that's just.

What stand that was. That was a comeback too. It is Lamar's touchdown to Za Flowers. It was very late in that game to even get it to overtime, so that was I agree.

What stand that was. That was a comeback too. It is Lamar's touchdown to Za Flowers. It was very late in that game to even get it to overtime, so that was I agree.

I'll put Thailand number one. Okay, I'm gonna put the kick six at number two.

I'll put Thailand number one. Okay, I'm gonna put the kick six at number two.

We're aligned, We're going the same I think we're gonna go with the same way.

We're aligned, We're going the same I think we're gonna go with the same way.

I will say though, the kick six was awesome. Also, Brent Herban, I think it was his first game coming back. He had been injured. Yeh, all you know when he first came into the league and had just bad luck, and.

I will say though, the kick six was awesome. Also, Brent Herban, I think it was his first game coming back. He had been injured. Yeh, all you know when he first came into the league and had just bad luck, and.

Then he got the block. He blocked the field.

Then he got the block. He blocked the field.

Goal, and Will Hill of all people scooping that thing up and just you're like, he's is he actually going to make it all the way?

Goal, and Will Hill of all people scooping that thing up and just you're like, he's is he actually going to make it all the way?

Yeah? It was just that one was.

Yeah? It was just that one was.

Incredible, I'll tell you. But I you make a good point with it being at M and T Bank. You talk about the Colts game and then the Tyler Wallace walk off, two of the best home games in Raven's history. Yeah, those were both game regular season especially. Yeah, and then you talk about the snow game against the Vikings.

Incredible, I'll tell you. But I you make a good point with it being at M and T Bank. You talk about the Colts game and then the Tyler Wallace walk off, two of the best home games in Raven's history. Yeah, those were both game regular season especially. Yeah, and then you talk about the snow game against the Vikings.

But epic games.

But epic games.

Yeah, those were epic, no doubt. The funny, real quick, funny story about Brent Urban and that game he was coming back and I think it was this tricep or bicep that he'd hurt. So you had the big brace on his arm and.