In this episode of The Larry Arnn Show, Hillsdale College President Larry P. Arnn interviews author and scholar Heather Mac Donald. The two discuss the dangers created when American institutions abandon merit-based selection in favor of racial quotas, as detailed in her book When Race Trumps Merit. Later, Mac Donald breaks down the statistics reflecting the startling increase in violent crime in American cities. This interview was conducted on October 28th, 2023.

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