In this episode of The Larry Arnn Show, Hillsdale College President Larry P. Arnn interviews professor of economics and William E. Hibbs/Ludwig von Mises chair of economics at Hillsdale College Ivan Pongracic. The two discuss Ivan's childhood in communist Yugoslavia, his career as a surf rock guitarist, and why so many young people are attracted to democratic socialism.

This interview was conducted on October 8th, 2026.

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