Edwin talks to Tamar Jacoby, director of the New Ukraine Project at the Progressive Policy Institute. 

Jacoby, who is based in Kyiv, talked about the mood there, after almost three years of war in the country. "People are tired," she said, "and that word doesn't quite even capture it. Kyiv is far from the front, and life goes on in Kyiv. People go to restaurants and bars, and do live their lives, but just about everybody knows or is related to somebody who's fighting, and indeed, most have casualties in their circle of a family or acquaintances. And the war is coming increasingly to Kyiv and to the west of the country because of the intensified missile and drone strikes."

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