You are now in the backcourt, episode four with Lucas Kaplan. That is me, writer for Nets Daily, maker of Nets film focused videos for the Brooklyn Nets, and as always, joining me is Sarah Coustack, who you surely hear when you are watching Nets games on Yes Network and a bevy of other places.

You are now in the backcourt, episode four with Lucas Kaplan. That is me, writer for Nets Daily, maker of Nets film focused videos for the Brooklyn Nets, and as always, joining me is Sarah Coustack, who you surely hear when you are watching Nets games on Yes Network and a bevy of other places.

Sarah, how are you doing.

Sarah, how are you doing.

I'm amazing, Lucas. We just got back from a solid road trip. Despite I know we're going to get into it. Despite it being one and two, there was so much positive to take from it. It felt like it very easily could have been three and zero, but overall it was. It was such great progress forward it.

I'm amazing, Lucas. We just got back from a solid road trip. Despite I know we're going to get into it. Despite it being one and two, there was so much positive to take from it. It felt like it very easily could have been three and zero, but overall it was. It was such great progress forward it.

I'm excited we get to talk about it definitely.

I'm excited we get to talk about it definitely.

We've recorded this is our after our first episode, which was a season preview. We recorded on three Tuesdays and all three Mondays, the Nets have won a game, so we are bringing the good luck.

We've recorded this is our after our first episode, which was a season preview. We recorded on three Tuesdays and all three Mondays, the Nets have won a game, so we are bringing the good luck.

They know that we're recording the next.

They know that we're recording the next.

Time, setting us up. They're setting us up well.

Time, setting us up. They're setting us up well.

Just to recap, as Sarah mentioned, a road trip that a Friday, that was a Friday night loss in overtime to the Boston Celtics. Then the Nets got on a plane went to the undefeated Cleveland Cavaliers lost by four points there. And on Monday, as we mentioned, they went to New Orleans and beat the Pelicans by two points. So a crazy, heart stopping, heart pounding road trip, and I was watching from home. Sarah was on the sideline broadcasting for all three games. Got back at four am last night, up the next morning with me podcasting. That's what the grind looks like, and that I actually want to ask you about. What is your what are those road trips like for you to actually because I'm at home, you know.

Just to recap, as Sarah mentioned, a road trip that a Friday, that was a Friday night loss in overtime to the Boston Celtics. Then the Nets got on a plane went to the undefeated Cleveland Cavaliers lost by four points there. And on Monday, as we mentioned, they went to New Orleans and beat the Pelicans by two points. So a crazy, heart stopping, heart pounding road trip, and I was watching from home. Sarah was on the sideline broadcasting for all three games. Got back at four am last night, up the next morning with me podcasting. That's what the grind looks like, and that I actually want to ask you about. What is your what are those road trips like for you to actually because I'm at home, you know.

Yeah, it's funny you say that because I think now I don't even think about it. It's such a part of the routine and the fabric of getting and having a great, great opportunity to call NBA games, and of course doing so with the Brooklyn Nets, and so I think the opportunity to see the team sometimes and just different circumstances scenarios when you're on the road, there definitely is a more intimate feel of all being together and the things that you do, and even for the team itself, not with us included, but just the time that you're able to spend because you are away from your home and some of your family and friends and things of that nature. So it really I think creates even more of a family environment with the team. And I also think just it's always fun. I think getting road environments, the road arenas, different spots, seeing just kind of how teams respond in those atmospheres. And I understand that obviously the travel you know, you're on a charter of things of that.

Yeah, it's funny you say that because I think now I don't even think about it. It's such a part of the routine and the fabric of getting and having a great, great opportunity to call NBA games, and of course doing so with the Brooklyn Nets, and so I think the opportunity to see the team sometimes and just different circumstances scenarios when you're on the road, there definitely is a more intimate feel of all being together and the things that you do, and even for the team itself, not with us included, but just the time that you're able to spend because you are away from your home and some of your family and friends and things of that nature. So it really I think creates even more of a family environment with the team. And I also think just it's always fun. I think getting road environments, the road arenas, different spots, seeing just kind of how teams respond in those atmospheres. And I understand that obviously the travel you know, you're on a charter of things of that.

But I do like give.

But I do like give.

So much credit to these players, the coaching staff, performance staff, like you still when you're getting in you know, a very late night out of Boston Cleveland back to back, the amount of hour you're getting at two three am in the morning, what that looks like, the turnaround time, And some of it is physical, but also I think just even mental and that mental turnaround of re engaging and especially with such a tough loss at Boston in over time to then come back and perform the way they did against Cleveland. And I know in many cases you love to have that opportunity right away. But overall, I say this a lot, but I have so much respect for everyone top to bottom with what that looks like throughout the course of an NBA schedule.

So much credit to these players, the coaching staff, performance staff, like you still when you're getting in you know, a very late night out of Boston Cleveland back to back, the amount of hour you're getting at two three am in the morning, what that looks like, the turnaround time, And some of it is physical, but also I think just even mental and that mental turnaround of re engaging and especially with such a tough loss at Boston in over time to then come back and perform the way they did against Cleveland. And I know in many cases you love to have that opportunity right away. But overall, I say this a lot, but I have so much respect for everyone top to bottom with what that looks like throughout the course of an NBA schedule.

Yeah, I think that's the one thing I've learned from just covering the team half the time in person when they're home, and just being around much more than I was when I was in college. Just like watching from my dorm room all the time, is you really feel how much of a grind it is every day, every morning, every night, you know, And then to travel and sometimes I travel to Boston or Philly or wherever is in range for me. But it really does give you an appreciate appreciation of how a job, a place of work really is the not only these players in the organization their whole life for nine months of the year, but a very demanding and taxing one at that.

Yeah, I think that's the one thing I've learned from just covering the team half the time in person when they're home, and just being around much more than I was when I was in college. Just like watching from my dorm room all the time, is you really feel how much of a grind it is every day, every morning, every night, you know, And then to travel and sometimes I travel to Boston or Philly or wherever is in range for me. But it really does give you an appreciate appreciation of how a job, a place of work really is the not only these players in the organization their whole life for nine months of the year, but a very demanding and taxing one at that.

So what do you? What do you? How do you?

So what do you? What do you? How do you?

You know, catch up when you're on the road, Like are you watching film on the plane? Are you are you talking to people? Do you call up Kenny Atkinson? Do you say hey, what do you what? Are you guys going to run tonight? What should I be on the lookout for?

You know, catch up when you're on the road, Like are you watching film on the plane? Are you are you talking to people? Do you call up Kenny Atkinson? Do you say hey, what do you what? Are you guys going to run tonight? What should I be on the lookout for?

I think I think it's a combination of a lot of things.

I think I think it's a combination of a lot of things.

But no, I think by this point in life, I am I am very I'm very regimented.

But no, I think by this point in life, I am I am very I'm very regimented.

I like routine.

I like routine.

I think obviously, given our schedules and what we do. It's sometimes hard to have that. So for me, there are certain non negotiables that I've created that helped me streamline exactly how I go about things, and so especially on the road. And I probably could say I do this at home in New York, but on the road, like I wake up, I run every morning every morning. And now I've been to so many different NBA cities, like I have my run routes.

I think obviously, given our schedules and what we do. It's sometimes hard to have that. So for me, there are certain non negotiables that I've created that helped me streamline exactly how I go about things, and so especially on the road. And I probably could say I do this at home in New York, but on the road, like I wake up, I run every morning every morning. And now I've been to so many different NBA cities, like I have my run routes.

It's actually like.

It's actually like.

Very it's very like soul refreshing for me because it's you know, you go to these different spots and it doesn't matter the city, and I just like to be outside. I like to feel the ground, feel the place, feel that energy. But I run in every morning, do a little work, go to shoot around. I normally have a yoga spot or a plate spot that'll hit like at noon. After that, get that done and then come back and whether it's watching a little more film, going through more stats, doing more reading articles, calling whoever, just to chat about stuff from the opposing team or what it may be. And then you shower, get ready, get get to the arena, and and just kind of get it rolling. And I do think to your point of like having the opportunity to be in different cities and you're there, it does allow you to sometimes catch up person to person about a team or about whether it's players you know or former players, coaches you know, just people around in that place. And for me personally too, there's a lot of friends or family that you know, they know, they've They've got the net schedule if they know what I'm going to be a town so you can grab a little dinner.

Very it's very like soul refreshing for me because it's you know, you go to these different spots and it doesn't matter the city, and I just like to be outside. I like to feel the ground, feel the place, feel that energy. But I run in every morning, do a little work, go to shoot around. I normally have a yoga spot or a plate spot that'll hit like at noon. After that, get that done and then come back and whether it's watching a little more film, going through more stats, doing more reading articles, calling whoever, just to chat about stuff from the opposing team or what it may be. And then you shower, get ready, get get to the arena, and and just kind of get it rolling. And I do think to your point of like having the opportunity to be in different cities and you're there, it does allow you to sometimes catch up person to person about a team or about whether it's players you know or former players, coaches you know, just people around in that place. And for me personally too, there's a lot of friends or family that you know, they know, they've They've got the net schedule if they know what I'm going to be a town so you can grab a little dinner.

But no, but overall that is.

But no, but overall that is.

People know by now that like I'm not grabbing a coffee or lunch on a game day, like this is kind of how I operate and what I do and plane rides at that point too, Like that that to me is my worktime at prep time, and so whether it is filling out my boards or watching more film or watching games, I think for all of us in all things, it's it's a busy time. But I did whether it was having played force forever doing things like just understanding how to compartmental lize and be most effective and efficient with your time so that you can find that type of balance. But yeah, but that running and running in the morning and a little something else in the afternoon, is this my is my way to create a harmony in how I'm.

People know by now that like I'm not grabbing a coffee or lunch on a game day, like this is kind of how I operate and what I do and plane rides at that point too, Like that that to me is my worktime at prep time, and so whether it is filling out my boards or watching more film or watching games, I think for all of us in all things, it's it's a busy time. But I did whether it was having played force forever doing things like just understanding how to compartmental lize and be most effective and efficient with your time so that you can find that type of balance. But yeah, but that running and running in the morning and a little something else in the afternoon, is this my is my way to create a harmony in how I'm.

Able to continue to go about things.

Able to continue to go about things.

Yeah, you have to sweat it out before you can lock back in on a screen again.

Yeah, you have to sweat it out before you can lock back in on a screen again.

I'm the same way.

I'm the same way.

I will say your photo with DeMar Carol that you posted brought me and I'm sure many other nets fans of that era our last trivia answer a lot of joy. And I would also say that I have a guess as to where your favorite opposing city to run is because I was just there.

I will say your photo with DeMar Carol that you posted brought me and I'm sure many other nets fans of that era our last trivia answer a lot of joy. And I would also say that I have a guess as to where your favorite opposing city to run is because I was just there.

Minneapolis is awesome.

Minneapolis is awesome.

It is awesome.

It is awesome.

I find what is what is what what comes to mind.

I find what is what is what what comes to mind.

I love that.

I love that.

I don't I truly don't think I can choose like Minneapolis, but I love I like I hit over a bridge. There's these train tracks. It's like empty, it's the whole Cleveland, like I had the same route over a bridge.

I don't I truly don't think I can choose like Minneapolis, but I love I like I hit over a bridge. There's these train tracks. It's like empty, it's the whole Cleveland, like I had the same route over a bridge.

I don't.

I don't.

I mean sometimes and also I understand that warm weather places or a Miami or you know, Orlando, La. I'm not gonna hate on, but there is something in the m'dg Chicago, And so I always say, you know, sometimes cold is good for the heart. And so I don't mind when you're a little uh, you're a little cold in other places. But now I think every city, there's a beauty in every city, and I try and really immerse myself in that and get used to that, that type.

I mean sometimes and also I understand that warm weather places or a Miami or you know, Orlando, La. I'm not gonna hate on, but there is something in the m'dg Chicago, And so I always say, you know, sometimes cold is good for the heart. And so I don't mind when you're a little uh, you're a little cold in other places. But now I think every city, there's a beauty in every city, and I try and really immerse myself in that and get used to that, that type.

Of spoken like a true it's a true traveler.

Of spoken like a true it's a true traveler.

Yeah right, you have to. You have to you learn to love those things.

Yeah right, you have to. You have to you learn to love those things.

And speaking of loving things, you mentioned it, what did you love about the next road trip?

And speaking of loving things, you mentioned it, what did you love about the next road trip?

What stood out to you?

What stood out to you?

Oh, there are a lot of things, and Lucas, I know we've talked about this multiple times, and I'm sure for any next fan of watching, there has been so much to love about this group from Game one and the time they started the season, and really quite frankly prior to that, but this road trip in particular, I think you continue to see the versatility of no matter who's playing, who's it, or who's out, the style of play they're playing against, they will always rise to the level of competition and do so in a way that everyone has a clear organize it organize, an sense of purpose and understanding of what they're trying to accomplish in terms of the game plan. And so I think you saw that, whether it was how they were playing against Boston, what they did against Cleveland, obviously they win against New Orleans and we'll get into it. I think you see improvements and whether it's better play in third quarters, whether it's you know, certain areas of how Chris their offense is running, what they're doing defensively and getting locked in, showing some more variables and coverages and looks. But more than anything, I just think the fact that you're going into Boston and it's a team that had just come off a loss against Golden State. So I was like, man, they are going to be loaded for bear. I know John Brown was not playing, but everyone.

Oh, there are a lot of things, and Lucas, I know we've talked about this multiple times, and I'm sure for any next fan of watching, there has been so much to love about this group from Game one and the time they started the season, and really quite frankly prior to that, but this road trip in particular, I think you continue to see the versatility of no matter who's playing, who's it, or who's out, the style of play they're playing against, they will always rise to the level of competition and do so in a way that everyone has a clear organize it organize, an sense of purpose and understanding of what they're trying to accomplish in terms of the game plan. And so I think you saw that, whether it was how they were playing against Boston, what they did against Cleveland, obviously they win against New Orleans and we'll get into it. I think you see improvements and whether it's better play in third quarters, whether it's you know, certain areas of how Chris their offense is running, what they're doing defensively and getting locked in, showing some more variables and coverages and looks. But more than anything, I just think the fact that you're going into Boston and it's a team that had just come off a loss against Golden State. So I was like, man, they are going to be loaded for bear. I know John Brown was not playing, but everyone.

Else was there. They were irritated that they were coming off that loss.

Else was there. They were irritated that they were coming off that loss.

They're played at home. I'm like, this, this team is a bus saw and the nets they matched it, they exceeded it. They were ready, and they weren't even playing outside the realm of I think what we can expect at them? No, no heartbreaking overtime loss, turn around next night. Oh this is second of them, back to back ten and o Cleveland Cavaliers seem playing at home, and then to follow that up with that, and again I know those losses sure hard to stomach, especially for staff and players, but man, I just that to me, the resiliency of all of that. In the New Orleans gate that was kind of a slog and you didn't really know how it was going to have. The poise and the increased understanding of how they wanted to close. I just thought all of that was was to me most impressive.

They're played at home. I'm like, this, this team is a bus saw and the nets they matched it, they exceeded it. They were ready, and they weren't even playing outside the realm of I think what we can expect at them? No, no heartbreaking overtime loss, turn around next night. Oh this is second of them, back to back ten and o Cleveland Cavaliers seem playing at home, and then to follow that up with that, and again I know those losses sure hard to stomach, especially for staff and players, but man, I just that to me, the resiliency of all of that. In the New Orleans gate that was kind of a slog and you didn't really know how it was going to have. The poise and the increased understanding of how they wanted to close. I just thought all of that was was to me most impressive.

Yeah, So I thought that before we get to like the specifics of how the results went down and you know, crunch time, I think starting with the big picture, it's obviously a positive. I thought I kind of split it up into two separate parts of the test in my mind, Like, obviously the road back to back Boston Cleveland is a huge test just because you're playing two great teams and you're on the road right and then, especially after you lose both games in that fashion, the next part of the test is you got to finish the road trip. Last game of a road trip always tough. In New Orleans, it's a team that is missing a lot of key guys, but you know that those role players, those fringe rotation guys that don't always get a chance, are going to play their butts off, and that's a great mental test.

Yeah, So I thought that before we get to like the specifics of how the results went down and you know, crunch time, I think starting with the big picture, it's obviously a positive. I thought I kind of split it up into two separate parts of the test in my mind, Like, obviously the road back to back Boston Cleveland is a huge test just because you're playing two great teams and you're on the road right and then, especially after you lose both games in that fashion, the next part of the test is you got to finish the road trip. Last game of a road trip always tough. In New Orleans, it's a team that is missing a lot of key guys, but you know that those role players, those fringe rotation guys that don't always get a chance, are going to play their butts off, and that's a great mental test.

That is the other part.

That is the other part.

Of being a good NBA team. You know, now we're all human. You're gonna let your guard down a little bit. How can you fight against that? How can you summon the energy you know to pull out a win? And you mentioned it was a slog. It was probably the worst played game of the three in terms of from beginning to end.

Of being a good NBA team. You know, now we're all human. You're gonna let your guard down a little bit. How can you fight against that? How can you summon the energy you know to pull out a win? And you mentioned it was a slog. It was probably the worst played game of the three in terms of from beginning to end.

Would you agree?

Would you agree?

I would agree. It reminded me a little of the Detroit game.

I would agree. It reminded me a little of the Detroit game.

Right And I want to throw this at you.

Right And I want to throw this at you.

They allowed an offensive rebound Tray Jamison put back dunk with ten minutes left. From that moment on, that was the Pelicans thirteenth offensive rebound of the game. From that moment on the last ten minutes of the game, the Nets did not allow one more until Brandon Boston missed like that lefty tip in before the Camp Thomas three. But they really were not playing well, kind of getting outworked down seven after that dunk, and then the last ten minutes they grabbed six offensive boards of their own. They lock in. I just I don't know how else to put it. They really locked in.

They allowed an offensive rebound Tray Jamison put back dunk with ten minutes left. From that moment on, that was the Pelicans thirteenth offensive rebound of the game. From that moment on the last ten minutes of the game, the Nets did not allow one more until Brandon Boston missed like that lefty tip in before the Camp Thomas three. But they really were not playing well, kind of getting outworked down seven after that dunk, and then the last ten minutes they grabbed six offensive boards of their own. They lock in. I just I don't know how else to put it. They really locked in.

Is that is that? Was that the difference in the game really to you?

Is that is that? Was that the difference in the game really to you?

That's groat, Yeah, I mean that was And even towards the end when you relooked the last couple of possessions for New Orleans with Brandon Ingram having an opportunity. I mean there was two possessions. Assire Williams was from Mendous and there was help of Camp Tom like there New Orleans, and I think it all of those cases. Then that's where maybe up to and all, but they only needed too to send this to ot again they're at home. You have a player that was an All Star, that's been the go to guy, and they had their chances. So yeah, to me, it was just that type of composure and collective change in how they were able to finish things off, and particularly I mean Camp Thomas shoot shot, but defensively, like it was those defensive stops and just kind of got to get out knowing last game of a road trip and you haven't been playing your best game, no, no.

That's groat, Yeah, I mean that was And even towards the end when you relooked the last couple of possessions for New Orleans with Brandon Ingram having an opportunity. I mean there was two possessions. Assire Williams was from Mendous and there was help of Camp Tom like there New Orleans, and I think it all of those cases. Then that's where maybe up to and all, but they only needed too to send this to ot again they're at home. You have a player that was an All Star, that's been the go to guy, and they had their chances. So yeah, to me, it was just that type of composure and collective change in how they were able to finish things off, and particularly I mean Camp Thomas shoot shot, but defensively, like it was those defensive stops and just kind of got to get out knowing last game of a road trip and you haven't been playing your best game, no, no.

But that you have to win when you don't play your best, you know. And they shot very well from three yesterday in New Orleans. They did not shoot that well from three in Boston and Cleveland. And it's like you make a couple of those jumpers, you might win one or both of those games. You make them in New Orleans, even though you're probably a little bit worse at everything else that gets you a win. And so there is no formula really to winning in this league. You're gonna have to do it in a bunch of different ways.

But that you have to win when you don't play your best, you know. And they shot very well from three yesterday in New Orleans. They did not shoot that well from three in Boston and Cleveland. And it's like you make a couple of those jumpers, you might win one or both of those games. You make them in New Orleans, even though you're probably a little bit worse at everything else that gets you a win. And so there is no formula really to winning in this league. You're gonna have to do it in a bunch of different ways.

And I think so real quick on that, like.

And I think so real quick on that, like.

You're looking at a Boston and Cleveland teams, that those are two of the better defenses in the league, were at least going to be top ten, maybe towards the end the season top five. So that also like the fact that it makes a little bit more sense.

You're looking at a Boston and Cleveland teams, that those are two of the better defenses in the league, were at least going to be top ten, maybe towards the end the season top five. So that also like the fact that it makes a little bit more sense.

What I would what.

What I would what.

Stood out to me most was the defense. And to just you talked about the game planning against Boston against Cleveland, to nerd out just a little right, the Nets switch a lot. It's kind of what they do against Jason Tatum hardly at all. They trapped a ton and then other times they stayed attached, and I thought their defense on him was awesome. He ended up with thirty five. I know he got like ten fast break points off turnovers in the third quarter, separate issue, but I thought, and he got a couple open through he's in the first half off swing swing, but I thought when he hit the ball, it was an awesome game plan executed tremendously. Next night, Donovan Mitchell, same thing. He hit some early threes. They started trapping and rotating. I thought it was awesome. Brandon Ingram, this is the guy that cannot beat you. With a depleted Pelicans team, they don't really trap a ton in the first half. Brandon Ingram takes nineteen shots in the first half to get twenty two points.

Stood out to me most was the defense. And to just you talked about the game planning against Boston against Cleveland, to nerd out just a little right, the Nets switch a lot. It's kind of what they do against Jason Tatum hardly at all. They trapped a ton and then other times they stayed attached, and I thought their defense on him was awesome. He ended up with thirty five. I know he got like ten fast break points off turnovers in the third quarter, separate issue, but I thought, and he got a couple open through he's in the first half off swing swing, but I thought when he hit the ball, it was an awesome game plan executed tremendously. Next night, Donovan Mitchell, same thing. He hit some early threes. They started trapping and rotating. I thought it was awesome. Brandon Ingram, this is the guy that cannot beat you. With a depleted Pelicans team, they don't really trap a ton in the first half. Brandon Ingram takes nineteen shots in the first half to get twenty two points.

You live with it.

You live with it.

Whatever.

Whatever.

Second half he takes three shots, he doesn't hit a field goal. I thought it was if we're talking about Jordi Fernandez and like, well, rookie head coach, you know, I know the players are playing hard, but like Kenny coach, all these questions. I thought it was really just an awesome weekend. From the defensive standpoint.

Second half he takes three shots, he doesn't hit a field goal. I thought it was if we're talking about Jordi Fernandez and like, well, rookie head coach, you know, I know the players are playing hard, but like Kenny coach, all these questions. I thought it was really just an awesome weekend. From the defensive standpoint.

I'm so glad you said that, because the first half of the New Orleans game, when when b I was going off, Yeah, I hit our producer in Talk Frank to Grace. I was like, man, I was like, I was like, they're not trapping them and they're not blitzing them.

I'm so glad you said that, because the first half of the New Orleans game, when when b I was going off, Yeah, I hit our producer in Talk Frank to Grace. I was like, man, I was like, I was like, they're not trapping them and they're not blitzing them.

I was like, I'm mauria sip there.

I was like, I'm mauria sip there.

Wait until the second half.

Wait until the second half.

Just to make sure that they And sure enough it was at first possession gets the ball in his hands coming out of halftime and he's somewhere near the corner a on the wing and they're trapping them and everything else that change and I just I to me, that's where and I know we can get it into more the organ When I talk about organization game plan, it's it's high level.

Just to make sure that they And sure enough it was at first possession gets the ball in his hands coming out of halftime and he's somewhere near the corner a on the wing and they're trapping them and everything else that change and I just I to me, that's where and I know we can get it into more the organ When I talk about organization game plan, it's it's high level.

There are are layers to it.

There are are layers to it.

It's complex, and it's thought through in a strategic way of because Jordi has talked about the team wanting to be better in the third quarters, Jordi understood and I know he took accountability and ordership for the close of the Cleveland game and guys being hired. But like, I think that's fy. Just think he's awesome because he's gonna he's gonna carry a lot of children, a lot of the responsibility and losses. But I think overall, like you just see what was happening in fourth quarters, So I'm like, this is this is a different way to look at things of we're gonna we're gonna counter and have adjustments to make and not always show are a full hand where we start the game, because we want to be able to have options BCD of what things look like at.

It's complex, and it's thought through in a strategic way of because Jordi has talked about the team wanting to be better in the third quarters, Jordi understood and I know he took accountability and ordership for the close of the Cleveland game and guys being hired. But like, I think that's fy. Just think he's awesome because he's gonna he's gonna carry a lot of children, a lot of the responsibility and losses. But I think overall, like you just see what was happening in fourth quarters, So I'm like, this is this is a different way to look at things of we're gonna we're gonna counter and have adjustments to make and not always show are a full hand where we start the game, because we want to be able to have options BCD of what things look like at.

This point definitely, and like even you know, you can say the Pelicans didn't shoot that well from three, but like a lot of those threes, like it's Javonte Green above the break for the lead in the clutch, that's not exactly like that's a look you're probably okay, you're living with and it's all part. You can't just look at the you know, the statutet at the end of the game.

This point definitely, and like even you know, you can say the Pelicans didn't shoot that well from three, but like a lot of those threes, like it's Javonte Green above the break for the lead in the clutch, that's not exactly like that's a look you're probably okay, you're living with and it's all part. You can't just look at the you know, the statutet at the end of the game.

Yeah, yeah, And I think that's very much.

Yeah, yeah, And I think that's very much.

But I do think just the one thing to me, the biggest takeaway and you mentioned it, like just try and how can how can they eliminate the turnovers because so much of what happens on the other end is some turnovers. Because I do I think they have quality shots selection, like I do think for the most part, I know there's moments, but I think sometimes shot selection can put pressure on your defense and put you in a vulnerable way if teams are able to get out and run out of you because shots. But I think more than anything, they're half court defense has had really really solid it's just they put themselves in the spot sometimes with those miscues.

But I do think just the one thing to me, the biggest takeaway and you mentioned it, like just try and how can how can they eliminate the turnovers because so much of what happens on the other end is some turnovers. Because I do I think they have quality shots selection, like I do think for the most part, I know there's moments, but I think sometimes shot selection can put pressure on your defense and put you in a vulnerable way if teams are able to get out and run out of you because shots. But I think more than anything, they're half court defense has had really really solid it's just they put themselves in the spot sometimes with those miscues.

Right, I mean, you can look at Boston and they scored a lot of points in the second half, but I didn't really feel like Brooklyn's half court defense got worse. I just felt like they gave up like five or six turnovers that led to transition layups, and that got Jason Tatum kind of going. And that's not something you can just look at the defense for. It really started on the other end.

Right, I mean, you can look at Boston and they scored a lot of points in the second half, but I didn't really feel like Brooklyn's half court defense got worse. I just felt like they gave up like five or six turnovers that led to transition layups, and that got Jason Tatum kind of going. And that's not something you can just look at the defense for. It really started on the other end.

One other thing I want to say, and I know we got to keep it moving, please, and it's not always perfect, but take a look at the free throw attempts by the opponent these last three games. That was a huge issue early on in this season, and again a lot of it was and I think there's going to be a feel out process with officiating all of that physical play that they want to play with and they have a pressure in getting into bodies. But the fact that the Pelicans' twelve free throw attempts, the Celtics nineteen free throw attempts, the Cavs nineteen free throw attempts, I mean, we were looking at much more inflated numbers than that. So I think that in itself shows signs of improvement of just how they've been playing on that end while still being able to maintain a level of physicality Definitely.

One other thing I want to say, and I know we got to keep it moving, please, and it's not always perfect, but take a look at the free throw attempts by the opponent these last three games. That was a huge issue early on in this season, and again a lot of it was and I think there's going to be a feel out process with officiating all of that physical play that they want to play with and they have a pressure in getting into bodies. But the fact that the Pelicans' twelve free throw attempts, the Celtics nineteen free throw attempts, the Cavs nineteen free throw attempts, I mean, we were looking at much more inflated numbers than that. So I think that in itself shows signs of improvement of just how they've been playing on that end while still being able to maintain a level of physicality Definitely.

They are physical and yet they are not found. I mean, that's really all there is to it. I think they're swarming. Some of the swarm that collapsing the pain and sometimes it's just like.

They are physical and yet they are not found. I mean, that's really all there is to it. I think they're swarming. Some of the swarm that collapsing the pain and sometimes it's just like.

Ame, I get chills, like oh that is beautiful.

Ame, I get chills, like oh that is beautiful.

And the bench was going crazy in Cleveland during that run, like every stop if you felt it.

And the bench was going crazy in Cleveland during that run, like every stop if you felt it.

That's the other thing I'm going to say about often being at the arenas or being there sitting there is the synergy and the connectivity between the bench and the five on the floor whoever it is, and I would include the coaching staff. It is absolutely tremendous. The enthusiasm, the energy, how much they're interacting that matters. And it doesn't just matter in closing times or big games or big moments. You see it consistently through the whole game. And to me, that's mark of a team that's going to find success whatever that success looks like, but they will find it because of how together they are in those type of areas.

That's the other thing I'm going to say about often being at the arenas or being there sitting there is the synergy and the connectivity between the bench and the five on the floor whoever it is, and I would include the coaching staff. It is absolutely tremendous. The enthusiasm, the energy, how much they're interacting that matters. And it doesn't just matter in closing times or big games or big moments. You see it consistently through the whole game. And to me, that's mark of a team that's going to find success whatever that success looks like, but they will find it because of how together they are in those type of areas.

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My underrated favorite moment from the road trip was in Cleveland sixty two fifty seven. They're up, they're on the run, they get a steal cam Johnson coast to coast, huge dunk, the Sea's part. You know who's going crazy on the bench, Oh Steve Hetzel. That's lead assistant coach who I talked to him at Summer League. Is like classic old school basketball coach like JORDI might be the good cop in some scenarios, Hetzel is gonna let you know how it is and he's gonna do it with the straight face and it can be intimidating. And to see him jump off the bench and yell and get hype and smile, that was pretty awesome for me. And it brings us to Brooklyn's finest where I have no other choice other than to pick cam Johnson, who has just been awesome. I mean right, he's just been awesome.

My underrated favorite moment from the road trip was in Cleveland sixty two fifty seven. They're up, they're on the run, they get a steal cam Johnson coast to coast, huge dunk, the Sea's part. You know who's going crazy on the bench, Oh Steve Hetzel. That's lead assistant coach who I talked to him at Summer League. Is like classic old school basketball coach like JORDI might be the good cop in some scenarios, Hetzel is gonna let you know how it is and he's gonna do it with the straight face and it can be intimidating. And to see him jump off the bench and yell and get hype and smile, that was pretty awesome for me. And it brings us to Brooklyn's finest where I have no other choice other than to pick cam Johnson, who has just been awesome. I mean right, he's just been awesome.

Yeah, I'm gonna double down with you on that one.

Yeah, I'm gonna double down with you on that one.

Yeah, because I think too, you could look at saying out of the three point shooting, absolutely the assist to turnover or lack of turnovers, but just the number of assists of playmaking he to me, is the most visible if you just watch on film, if you had watched him through the course of last year, and in part of his role in expectation last year too, was to create more playmake Warren play off the dribble if he gets run off the three point line, and you could see the work in progress, the evolution that he's made from the off season, and now how comfortable he is, how much she's getting to the teets of the defense and able to be poised make plays. He's patient at the end of his dribble, if he's finding he's got some different moves in his bag to finish around the basket once defenders kind of move off of them, I think he's going to pass. There is so much growth to his game in that area that I am immensely impressed, and I say it, and I'll say it till I'm blue in the face.

Yeah, because I think too, you could look at saying out of the three point shooting, absolutely the assist to turnover or lack of turnovers, but just the number of assists of playmaking he to me, is the most visible if you just watch on film, if you had watched him through the course of last year, and in part of his role in expectation last year too, was to create more playmake Warren play off the dribble if he gets run off the three point line, and you could see the work in progress, the evolution that he's made from the off season, and now how comfortable he is, how much she's getting to the teets of the defense and able to be poised make plays. He's patient at the end of his dribble, if he's finding he's got some different moves in his bag to finish around the basket once defenders kind of move off of them, I think he's going to pass. There is so much growth to his game in that area that I am immensely impressed, and I say it, and I'll say it till I'm blue in the face.

Like he is a pros pro.

Like he is a pros pro.

He is a tremendous locker room guy, shows up, does his job at anything you ask of him.

He is a tremendous locker room guy, shows up, does his job at anything you ask of him.

You could see it.

You could see it.

You could see how he treats his teammates, the coaching staff, Like you want to talk about someone that you want in your locker room and you want around a team that is the epitome of who he is.

You could see how he treats his teammates, the coaching staff, Like you want to talk about someone that you want in your locker room and you want around a team that is the epitome of who he is.

This is the and it's a perfect You can see how all of that is manifested if you just try his Nets career. He gets traded to the Nets to February two trade deadlines. Ago plays pretty well, has a great playoff series against the Sixers where he dunks on Embiid like two or three times, kind of the only one, like really attacking Embiid in the paint. Next year you say he gets the contract, he says, next year, we want him to create more. Whatever he has like six or seven it felt like lower body injuries that were not needed surgery or season ending, but just constantly every time he'd get in a rhythm at him, Yeah, just nagging at him, and he just never found that rhythm. And you can say he's disappointed whatever comes back this year, he's I tweeted this earlier today, highest assist rate on drives in the NBA so far, so when he drives the highest percentage of his drives to the rim, and in an assist he's shooting like by far a career high from two sixty three percent on by far career high volume because he's dribbling more and he's doing it better than ever before. And as you mentioned, he does not turn the ball over. He just became the first NBA player in history since tracking started to play seven straight games of at least thirty minutes without a turnover. I mean, you want to talk about like incremental improvements whatever this, and that he's been so so good whenever he puts the ball on the floor, something good happens. And this is a NETS podcast, the praise whatever, like it's like most improved player type stuff genuinely from him, just in terms of that area of his game.

This is the and it's a perfect You can see how all of that is manifested if you just try his Nets career. He gets traded to the Nets to February two trade deadlines. Ago plays pretty well, has a great playoff series against the Sixers where he dunks on Embiid like two or three times, kind of the only one, like really attacking Embiid in the paint. Next year you say he gets the contract, he says, next year, we want him to create more. Whatever he has like six or seven it felt like lower body injuries that were not needed surgery or season ending, but just constantly every time he'd get in a rhythm at him, Yeah, just nagging at him, and he just never found that rhythm. And you can say he's disappointed whatever comes back this year, he's I tweeted this earlier today, highest assist rate on drives in the NBA so far, so when he drives the highest percentage of his drives to the rim, and in an assist he's shooting like by far a career high from two sixty three percent on by far career high volume because he's dribbling more and he's doing it better than ever before. And as you mentioned, he does not turn the ball over. He just became the first NBA player in history since tracking started to play seven straight games of at least thirty minutes without a turnover. I mean, you want to talk about like incremental improvements whatever this, and that he's been so so good whenever he puts the ball on the floor, something good happens. And this is a NETS podcast, the praise whatever, like it's like most improved player type stuff genuinely from him, just in terms of that area of his game.

So I can't say enough about it.

So I can't say enough about it.

And against Boston against Cleveland, like he was the guy on offense for stretches of that game. When one of Dennis or camp Thomas would go to the bench, it was like Cam Johnson, here's a ball, do something and he was great. So I I had to rant about that because it really is like a striking, shocking almost improvement. I don't want to say shocking, that's a little bit. I don't want it to mean you know his ability, but I mean, is that like a word that comes to mind for you watching him do this.

And against Boston against Cleveland, like he was the guy on offense for stretches of that game. When one of Dennis or camp Thomas would go to the bench, it was like Cam Johnson, here's a ball, do something and he was great. So I I had to rant about that because it really is like a striking, shocking almost improvement. I don't want to say shocking, that's a little bit. I don't want it to mean you know his ability, but I mean, is that like a word that comes to mind for you watching him do this.

I just think it's I don't know what the correct word is, but I just think it's impressive because you can visibly see it play by play, possession by possession. And he was always a very valuable player, but it's just a different there's a different feel and how he's playing, how he's moving, and I think he might have bet been my Brooklyn Brooklyn's finus on our first side. I picked him, but he wasn't even shooting the three that well because you could just tell how he's playing. He had a different level of comfort and confidence. And I also last thing on it, like, I just think too defensively, he's making the things that being asked of him, maybe not be a strengths, but pressure the ball, how he's using his size, he's in the right spots, he's covering ground, like there's things too on that end of the floor where he's been really solid.

I just think it's I don't know what the correct word is, but I just think it's impressive because you can visibly see it play by play, possession by possession. And he was always a very valuable player, but it's just a different there's a different feel and how he's playing, how he's moving, and I think he might have bet been my Brooklyn Brooklyn's finus on our first side. I picked him, but he wasn't even shooting the three that well because you could just tell how he's playing. He had a different level of comfort and confidence. And I also last thing on it, like, I just think too defensively, he's making the things that being asked of him, maybe not be a strengths, but pressure the ball, how he's using his size, he's in the right spots, he's covering ground, like there's things too on that end of the floor where he's been really solid.

Yeah, and that Cam Johnson Brooklyn's finess was a slam dunk. I think for us this week, that brings us to the next net. Right, who are we looking for over this next set of games? What do we want to see? You know, not necessarily positive or negative, but who is catching our eye? For me, it's Cam Thomas because last week we talked about, oh, we started this season so on such a great foot, you know, passing, defense, all of this. I think the next week there was a some slippage in a couple areas. I mean, he had a couple six of seventeen games from the floor.

Yeah, and that Cam Johnson Brooklyn's finess was a slam dunk. I think for us this week, that brings us to the next net. Right, who are we looking for over this next set of games? What do we want to see? You know, not necessarily positive or negative, but who is catching our eye? For me, it's Cam Thomas because last week we talked about, oh, we started this season so on such a great foot, you know, passing, defense, all of this. I think the next week there was a some slippage in a couple areas. I mean, he had a couple six of seventeen games from the floor.

That happens.

That happens.

And then this week I thought he was great in Boston and yeah he made shots, but I thought he was great on defense, like they when he'd have to hedge on Jason Tatum held his own more than held his own. I thought he was great making the right decisions in New Orleans. He was not like they were trapping him, they were soft trapping him. He was getting it to the right places when he had to take shots. He made the game winner a step back three over a center.

And then this week I thought he was great in Boston and yeah he made shots, but I thought he was great on defense, like they when he'd have to hedge on Jason Tatum held his own more than held his own. I thought he was great making the right decisions in New Orleans. He was not like they were trapping him, they were soft trapping him. He was getting it to the right places when he had to take shots. He made the game winner a step back three over a center.

It was just awesome.

It was just awesome.

And like that's his superpower, as Jordi Fernandez would say, So, I just want to see if that continues, because like it felt like that was like a B B plus Cam Thomas week, but he's like so close to the A A plus, like if it all happens in the same game, the defense and the passing and the decision making and the shot making. So I think where like could be on the verge of one of those sorts of Cam Thomas weeks.

And like that's his superpower, as Jordi Fernandez would say, So, I just want to see if that continues, because like it felt like that was like a B B plus Cam Thomas week, but he's like so close to the A A plus, like if it all happens in the same game, the defense and the passing and the decision making and the shot making. So I think where like could be on the verge of one of those sorts of Cam Thomas weeks.

I love it. I love it. I'm going to go with Ben Simmons.

I love it. I love it. I'm going to go with Ben Simmons.

Tennisis in the first half of New Orleans. I think it's now solidified now that Nick's back and Nick starting, then he's going to be coming off the bench and he's going to be able to add his strength to that unit of pushing the pace, the passing ability. It also he especially in the New Orleans game, but I even saw something Cleveland he's been There was a little bit of enough uptick up some of the shots he was taking. Yeah, maybe even the decisiveness of going to the basket and taking some looks. And I know we have everyone has talked about that about him being aggressive looking for a shot at nauseum.

Tennisis in the first half of New Orleans. I think it's now solidified now that Nick's back and Nick starting, then he's going to be coming off the bench and he's going to be able to add his strength to that unit of pushing the pace, the passing ability. It also he especially in the New Orleans game, but I even saw something Cleveland he's been There was a little bit of enough uptick up some of the shots he was taking. Yeah, maybe even the decisiveness of going to the basket and taking some looks. And I know we have everyone has talked about that about him being aggressive looking for a shot at nauseum.

But it's felt in New Orleans.

But it's felt in New Orleans.

Like it was a more natural take to the basket, more natural finish.

Like it was a more natural take to the basket, more natural finish.

It's good to see him go through.

It's good to see him go through.

But regardless of going through or not, I felt like overall there was a different comfort and presence by him and him just understanding and owning and really immersing himself into the role that he can be so valuable to this team. I want to see if that continues to grow.

But regardless of going through or not, I felt like overall there was a different comfort and presence by him and him just understanding and owning and really immersing himself into the role that he can be so valuable to this team. I want to see if that continues to grow.

Yeah, I do too.

Yeah, I do too.

I want to shout out I do like him coming off the bench just because I mean, at least in New Orleans, he was playing a lot of minutes with Jalen Wilson, who is a fantastic cutter. Zire Williams has got to start, but probably he's going to come off the bench with Doe when do Dori and Finney Smith returns great cutter. Kean Johnson running the floor dunking. I tweeted this today that Keon Johnson dunk where Ben leads him. It was an incredible pass, great pass by Ben. Keon Johnson jumps off the right foot outside the restricted area, two hand finish and like it didn't even.

I want to shout out I do like him coming off the bench just because I mean, at least in New Orleans, he was playing a lot of minutes with Jalen Wilson, who is a fantastic cutter. Zire Williams has got to start, but probably he's going to come off the bench with Doe when do Dori and Finney Smith returns great cutter. Kean Johnson running the floor dunking. I tweeted this today that Keon Johnson dunk where Ben leads him. It was an incredible pass, great pass by Ben. Keon Johnson jumps off the right foot outside the restricted area, two hand finish and like it didn't even.

Look that hard.

Look that hard.

Is like he's off a trampoline.

Is like he's off a trampoline.

I know, I was like, I I cause I watched it when it happened in the game, and I was like, oh, you know, dunk, the ball had a runway. I watched it again this morning. I'm like, oh, that's he's like six ' three. That's ridiculous. Yeah, Ben was great, Ben read Ben rejuvenated offense when he checked in. That's how it felt to me last night.

I know, I was like, I I cause I watched it when it happened in the game, and I was like, oh, you know, dunk, the ball had a runway. I watched it again this morning. I'm like, oh, that's he's like six ' three. That's ridiculous. Yeah, Ben was great, Ben read Ben rejuvenated offense when he checked in. That's how it felt to me last night.

Yes, that brings us. Oh, that brings us to trivia.

Yes, that brings us. Oh, that brings us to trivia.

So the one guy we really haven't mentioned, which who deserves to mention was Noah Clowney who hit five threes. Yes, that is his career high. Do you know what your career high at DePaul was for threes made in a game? No?

So the one guy we really haven't mentioned, which who deserves to mention was Noah Clowney who hit five threes. Yes, that is his career high. Do you know what your career high at DePaul was for threes made in a game? No?

I do not m.

I do not m.

It was five? Oh okay?

It was five? Oh okay?

Oh man, I feel like if I feel like I might have made this too hard, do you know I would know that too?

Oh man, I feel like if I feel like I might have made this too hard, do you know I would know that too?

Did you think I would remember that?

Did you think I would remember that?

Man?

Man?

No?

No?

Five? Five threes?

Five? Five threes?

Do you do?

Do you do?

You want to take a guess?

You want to take a guess?

When?

When?

Where?

Where?

Who against that happened?

Who against that happened?

I'm sorry, I I I when I was like playing, I looked at my own stats, I looked at my highlights.

I'm sorry, I I I when I was like playing, I looked at my own stats, I looked at my highlights.

Every single I.

Every single I.

Think I would remember No, No, five, three, No, how.

Think I would remember No, No, five, three, No, how.

Many you be no on the you shot better. You were five of seven in this game from three. He was five of ten.

Many you be no on the you shot better. You were five of seven in this game from three. He was five of ten.

So you have that over him.

So you have that over him.

I do not.

I do not.

I don't remember where, I don't remember anything. But no, tell me, tell me you were I like when we do, Nerue, I know, I'm sorry. I start, I start bringing of your playing SATs.

I don't remember where, I don't remember anything. But no, tell me, tell me you were I like when we do, Nerue, I know, I'm sorry. I start, I start bringing of your playing SATs.

No, they're not very good. I thought everyone was as self obsessed as me. That's my bad. You were a junior.

No, they're not very good. I thought everyone was as self obsessed as me. That's my bad. You were a junior.

There's a home game against East Carolina on February sixteenth, two thousand and three.

There's a home game against East Carolina on February sixteenth, two thousand and three.

Oh five, you were shot five seven three.

Oh five, you were shot five seven three.

Okay, okay, damn, I will see I will keep it to nets trivia.

Okay, okay, damn, I will see I will keep it to nets trivia.

I had to try that out.

I had to try that out.

Thanks. I appreciate it well because you're showing me love. But yeah, I feel like that's that's the truth I was trying to do. That's a true partner, Lucas.

Thanks. I appreciate it well because you're showing me love. But yeah, I feel like that's that's the truth I was trying to do. That's a true partner, Lucas.

I was trying to show you love. I was trying to bring up Noah Clowney, who we didn't get to.

I was trying to show you love. I was trying to bring up Noah Clowney, who we didn't get to.

But we didn't. But that's a big to close that out.

But we didn't. But that's a big to close that out.

He the way he shot, and I think just what Geordie said afterwards, like no, it didn't surprise me because I see how he shoots, sturting the game. I think that that's a positive sign because there's so many things about Noah that, you know, you get some food, you get some areas that it's okay, yeah, proven where there's turnovers, different things, and then you remind yourself, he's what twenty one years old, twenty twenty one, Yeah, so you're you understand the growth that could be in with his size and to shoot. If he can do that in a consistent manner, that's definitely exciting. Yeah.

He the way he shot, and I think just what Geordie said afterwards, like no, it didn't surprise me because I see how he shoots, sturting the game. I think that that's a positive sign because there's so many things about Noah that, you know, you get some food, you get some areas that it's okay, yeah, proven where there's turnovers, different things, and then you remind yourself, he's what twenty one years old, twenty twenty one, Yeah, so you're you understand the growth that could be in with his size and to shoot. If he can do that in a consistent manner, that's definitely exciting. Yeah.

The best quote of the road trip was Jordy and the press conference saying, I only get mad when they don't shoot, and Noah always lets it fly. And then and then Noah walked into the press conference and he said, yeah, I always let it fly. I think they're on the same page.

The best quote of the road trip was Jordy and the press conference saying, I only get mad when they don't shoot, and Noah always lets it fly. And then and then Noah walked into the press conference and he said, yeah, I always let it fly. I think they're on the same page.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's always a good thing. The green green light is what you want.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's always a good thing. The green green light is what you want.

Very green for Noah and very green light for us.

Very green for Noah and very green light for us.

Now four episodes of the Backcourt presented by Ticketmaster under Our belts Net's coming off a very fun, really exciting road trip. All they do is play close games. Sarah, do you have any final words?

Now four episodes of the Backcourt presented by Ticketmaster under Our belts Net's coming off a very fun, really exciting road trip. All they do is play close games. Sarah, do you have any final words?

What do you you know?

What do you you know?

Like, I've been a good start.

Like, I've been a good start.

It's been a good start, and I'll just say I'm excited. This is a big week start, you know. I'm excited to see how Boston and they respond again seeing each other in such a short amount of time together, and then two.

It's been a good start, and I'll just say I'm excited. This is a big week start, you know. I'm excited to see how Boston and they respond again seeing each other in such a short amount of time together, and then two.

Games at the gardens at the garden.

Games at the gardens at the garden.

This is uh yeah, this is This is gonna be a really fun week And I can't wait till next Tuesday when we get to hash it all out and see how it all turns out.

This is uh yeah, this is This is gonna be a really fun week And I can't wait till next Tuesday when we get to hash it all out and see how it all turns out.

And we will be recapping in season tournament games the best time of the year.

And we will be recapping in season tournament games the best time of the year.

Before the playoffs, the courts.

Before the playoffs, the courts.

I love it.

I love it.

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