Fellow conspiracy realist and space nerds alike. This is a fantastic classic episode. It's about one of the most extra things human beings have ever done, which is going to the moon. Yes, there are problems on Earth, but Matt, why do we go to the moon?

Fellow conspiracy realist and space nerds alike. This is a fantastic classic episode. It's about one of the most extra things human beings have ever done, which is going to the moon. Yes, there are problems on Earth, but Matt, why do we go to the moon?

Why do we go to the moon?

Why do we go to the moon?

Why?

Why?

Besides the helium and it's cool, and because we do the things because they're hard, not because they're easy.

Besides the helium and it's cool, and because we do the things because they're hard, not because they're easy.

Not because it is easy, but because it is hod.

Not because it is easy, but because it is hod.

Yeah, well, it's crazy to think. We did this episode in twenty nineteen when there was major news about China one of China's moon missions that they were completing, and as we're recording this in June twenty twenty four, another one of China's moon missions successfully is functioning right there on the Moon right now. You can read about it in the New York Times and The Verge everywhere. It's the lunar race that we've talked about before is.

Yeah, well, it's crazy to think. We did this episode in twenty nineteen when there was major news about China one of China's moon missions that they were completing, and as we're recording this in June twenty twenty four, another one of China's moon missions successfully is functioning right there on the Moon right now. You can read about it in the New York Times and The Verge everywhere. It's the lunar race that we've talked about before is.

Ongoing, and this episode provides a bit of context. One thing we can say for sure is that there is more news ahead. Civilization has technically become a bunch of lunatics, from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

Ongoing, and this episode provides a bit of context. One thing we can say for sure is that there is more news ahead. Civilization has technically become a bunch of lunatics, from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

They call me Ben. We are joined with our super producer Paul, Mission controlled decand most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. No Paul, just as an aside here, your nickname is very appropriate for today's episode. We for anyone who doesn't check the title of the podcast before listening, we are as a species returning to the Moon. It's been a huge stream. About twenty one million Americans are convinced that never happened, right, correct, So take that with a grain of salt. We have some recent developments here in twenty nineteen that were a long time in the making. Humanities study the Moon dates back way before recorded history, and it was only as recently as the nineteen sixties. Again, if you believe the official story that we actually managed to send bona fide, genuine human beings to the lunar surface, and then after a few manned moon missions, we just stopped.

They call me Ben. We are joined with our super producer Paul, Mission controlled decand most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. No Paul, just as an aside here, your nickname is very appropriate for today's episode. We for anyone who doesn't check the title of the podcast before listening, we are as a species returning to the Moon. It's been a huge stream. About twenty one million Americans are convinced that never happened, right, correct, So take that with a grain of salt. We have some recent developments here in twenty nineteen that were a long time in the making. Humanities study the Moon dates back way before recorded history, and it was only as recently as the nineteen sixties. Again, if you believe the official story that we actually managed to send bona fide, genuine human beings to the lunar surface, and then after a few manned moon missions, we just stopped.

Yeah, we were done. We found everything we needed to find. You know, the castles and extraterrestrios, moon bases on there were kept under wraps successfully. So yeah, we didn't need to do anything else.

Yeah, we were done. We found everything we needed to find. You know, the castles and extraterrestrios, moon bases on there were kept under wraps successfully. So yeah, we didn't need to do anything else.

And the mainstream narrative, of course, would be the tremendous cost involved with every Moon launch across every imaginable industry you could think of. But still, we can understand how it seems strange to achieve something so breathtaking and then just stop, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, so this situation seemed set to be the new normal that we would forever be in a near Earth orbit limbo. Right, We'd have tons of spy satellites, we'd have those things that can drop what is it a rod, like a titanium rod. Have you guys heard of these?

And the mainstream narrative, of course, would be the tremendous cost involved with every Moon launch across every imaginable industry you could think of. But still, we can understand how it seems strange to achieve something so breathtaking and then just stop, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, so this situation seemed set to be the new normal that we would forever be in a near Earth orbit limbo. Right, We'd have tons of spy satellites, we'd have those things that can drop what is it a rod, like a titanium rod. Have you guys heard of these?

No? Yeah, like a rail gun.

No? Yeah, like a rail gun.

It would just drop a rod from space onto a target and would hit with such enormous force that it would it would be like a nuclear bomb.

It would just drop a rod from space onto a target and would hit with such enormous force that it would it would be like a nuclear bomb.

Yeah, it's a rail bomb. That's that's scary.

Yeah, it's a rail bomb. That's that's scary.

Yeah, so it would just detonate on him. I don't know, it doesn't just detonate at all. It would just wreck shop. Yeah, it would just knock the heck out of something.

Yeah, so it would just detonate on him. I don't know, it doesn't just detonate at all. It would just wreck shop. Yeah, it would just knock the heck out of something.

Yeah, dude, And well yea, it is weird to think that humans have stayed in that near Earth orbit for all this time. If people go into space, it's right outside.

Yeah, dude, And well yea, it is weird to think that humans have stayed in that near Earth orbit for all this time. If people go into space, it's right outside.

And yeah, and it's very bad for you to live in such low gravity, right, But be that as it may. Aside from the few experiments that we had ongoing, and don't get us wrong, folks, these are amazing innovative things. The International Space Station is one of the most important structures humanity has ever built. But it looked like that was going to be it for us, that we were just going to be caught in this cosmic purgatory, until the situation began to change, especially in January of twenty nineteen, when China announced that it had successfully landed a probe on the far side of the Moon, or you know, we sometimes call it the dark side. Far side of the moon is the hemisphere that never faces us. We're not on speaking terms with it due to the Moon's rotation. Sometimes we call it the dark side of the moon because that sounds, let's be honest, incredibly cool. But it receives just as much sunlight as the side that faces us.

And yeah, and it's very bad for you to live in such low gravity, right, But be that as it may. Aside from the few experiments that we had ongoing, and don't get us wrong, folks, these are amazing innovative things. The International Space Station is one of the most important structures humanity has ever built. But it looked like that was going to be it for us, that we were just going to be caught in this cosmic purgatory, until the situation began to change, especially in January of twenty nineteen, when China announced that it had successfully landed a probe on the far side of the Moon, or you know, we sometimes call it the dark side. Far side of the moon is the hemisphere that never faces us. We're not on speaking terms with it due to the Moon's rotation. Sometimes we call it the dark side of the moon because that sounds, let's be honest, incredibly cool. But it receives just as much sunlight as the side that faces us.

All that what that just destroys all of my.

All that what that just destroys all of my.

Well let down think Floyd lied to us.

Well let down think Floyd lied to us.

They did, they did, oh me, as my mother would say, they didn't let the truth stand in the way of a good story or concept album.

They did, they did, oh me, as my mother would say, they didn't let the truth stand in the way of a good story or concept album.

Yeah, I've heard that too. So what are the facts about this thing? This probably popped up in most people's news feeds. But what actually happened.

Yeah, I've heard that too. So what are the facts about this thing? This probably popped up in most people's news feeds. But what actually happened.

Well, it's part of something called the Change Program and it's been going on for quite a while now. But the Changy four, the fourth, I guess phase of this program, it achieved the first soft land ending on the dark side of the moon on January third, twenty nineteen. That's this year, not that long ago actually, And what was this thing? Is that what you're asking? What was this? Well, it was a relay satellite, a lunar lander, and a rover named YouTube two is.

Well, it's part of something called the Change Program and it's been going on for quite a while now. But the Changy four, the fourth, I guess phase of this program, it achieved the first soft land ending on the dark side of the moon on January third, twenty nineteen. That's this year, not that long ago actually, And what was this thing? Is that what you're asking? What was this? Well, it was a relay satellite, a lunar lander, and a rover named YouTube two is.

Utu, yeah exactly, which has the amazing translation.

Utu, yeah exactly, which has the amazing translation.

Of jade rabbit.

Of jade rabbit.

Second Jade Rabbit, yeah.

Second Jade Rabbit, yeah.

Well, and YouTube of this Jade Rabbit is actually a pet to Changi, which was a goddess, a moon goddess or is the moon goddess? Yes?

Well, and YouTube of this Jade Rabbit is actually a pet to Changi, which was a goddess, a moon goddess or is the moon goddess? Yes?

Yeah, and Chinese mythology, so we see it's three different components.

Yeah, and Chinese mythology, so we see it's three different components.

Right.

Right.

First, they have to get the relay satellite up there. That is step one, because direct communication with Earth is impossible on the far side of the Moon because there's an entire moon in the way.

First, they have to get the relay satellite up there. That is step one, because direct communication with Earth is impossible on the far side of the Moon because there's an entire moon in the way.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

So communications have to hit this relay satellite and it's placed in a location that has a clear view of landed area and planet Earth.

So communications have to hit this relay satellite and it's placed in a location that has a clear view of landed area and planet Earth.

Nice good planning, so you know, we're we're not joking at all about it, but it just we forget maybe sometimes how much planning and ridiculous math that it takes to do any one of these things, and then to have all of them work in concert like this, It's an incredible feat.

Nice good planning, so you know, we're we're not joking at all about it, but it just we forget maybe sometimes how much planning and ridiculous math that it takes to do any one of these things, and then to have all of them work in concert like this, It's an incredible feat.

Boggles the mind. It is not an improv exercise for sure. On May twentieth, twenty eighteen, the China National Space Administration or SINSA, launched the Magpie Bridge relay satellite to Halo orbit around the Earth Moon L two point. This was the first step, and the relay satellite was based on another earlier satellites design. We can tell you some of the stats about it if you would like to hear them. First off, it's incredibly heavy. It's nine hundred and thirty seven pounds or for the rest of the world four hundred and twenty five kilograms. It's heavy, man, it is heavy. I mean, I guess it's not heavy in space, but it seems like a lot to get up there, you know. And it's not that large, right.

Boggles the mind. It is not an improv exercise for sure. On May twentieth, twenty eighteen, the China National Space Administration or SINSA, launched the Magpie Bridge relay satellite to Halo orbit around the Earth Moon L two point. This was the first step, and the relay satellite was based on another earlier satellites design. We can tell you some of the stats about it if you would like to hear them. First off, it's incredibly heavy. It's nine hundred and thirty seven pounds or for the rest of the world four hundred and twenty five kilograms. It's heavy, man, it is heavy. I mean, I guess it's not heavy in space, but it seems like a lot to get up there, you know. And it's not that large, right.

Yeah, But it does have a nice big old antenna that's four point two meters or fourteen feet for us, and it receives the it receives X band signals from the lander again, and then it sends them down to Earth. Pretty cool stuff, and I guess it can also send information the other way if need be. And the relay satellite has some help up there with a form of two micro satellites, which is super cool in my opinion. It's I don't know how anybody they are, but it's just a cool idea of a micro satellite working in conjunction with these. It's called the Dragon River one, Dragon River two, or long Jang and the first one that they sent up there, Long Jang one, was unsuccessful, but the second iteration made it and is still going strong.

Yeah, But it does have a nice big old antenna that's four point two meters or fourteen feet for us, and it receives the it receives X band signals from the lander again, and then it sends them down to Earth. Pretty cool stuff, and I guess it can also send information the other way if need be. And the relay satellite has some help up there with a form of two micro satellites, which is super cool in my opinion. It's I don't know how anybody they are, but it's just a cool idea of a micro satellite working in conjunction with these. It's called the Dragon River one, Dragon River two, or long Jang and the first one that they sent up there, Long Jang one, was unsuccessful, but the second iteration made it and is still going strong.

Nice cute as a button. Can you imagine the Pixar stories that will spring from them? Oh?

Nice cute as a button. Can you imagine the Pixar stories that will spring from them? Oh?

Man, an anthropomorphized microsatellite sounds, They're like.

Man, an anthropomorphized microsatellite sounds, They're like.

Oh, in the it's like a brother and sister.

Oh, in the it's like a brother and sister.

With Wally and that whole universe.

With Wally and that whole universe.

Yeah, oh my gosh.

Yeah, oh my gosh.

And they just want to help out the rover. We have a little bit of information about the lander and the rover, but it's it's somewhat limited. As you can understand, the government wouldn't want to advertise any of the really cool spooky stuff, right. So the lander has two cameras, one for just landing and one for terrain. As a spectrometer, it has something I had not heard of, a neutron dosimeter, and perhaps most interestingly, it has something called the lunar micro ecosystem. This is so, this is mind blowing to me. We've done experiments like this before our species, I mean, but this is a little bit different. It's a sealed biosphere that has seeds and insect and it's meant to measure their growth and development in space space space space.

And they just want to help out the rover. We have a little bit of information about the lander and the rover, but it's it's somewhat limited. As you can understand, the government wouldn't want to advertise any of the really cool spooky stuff, right. So the lander has two cameras, one for just landing and one for terrain. As a spectrometer, it has something I had not heard of, a neutron dosimeter, and perhaps most interestingly, it has something called the lunar micro ecosystem. This is so, this is mind blowing to me. We've done experiments like this before our species, I mean, but this is a little bit different. It's a sealed biosphere that has seeds and insect and it's meant to measure their growth and development in space space space space.

And specifically on the Moon and specifically on the Moon.

And specifically on the Moon and specifically on the Moon.

Can we grow things on the moon? Huge question. They have seeds of potatoes and a small flowering plant called arabidopsis.

Can we grow things on the moon? Huge question. They have seeds of potatoes and a small flowering plant called arabidopsis.

Yep, you got this, Ben, that's actually that's it.

Yep, you got this, Ben, that's actually that's it.

I don't know you said got a pregnant positive.

I don't know you said got a pregnant positive.

It was the second part of the of the of the name. I figured it was Arapidosis speculorum.

It was the second part of the of the of the name. I figured it was Arapidosis speculorum.

Yeah right, No, No, I think it's just arabidopsis. And I'm probably mispronouncing.

Yeah right, No, No, I think it's just arabidopsis. And I'm probably mispronouncing.

It was that upward inflection that like had me on the edge of my seat.

It was that upward inflection that like had me on the edge of my seat.

It was that word was like an obstacle course that I accidentally and blindly ran through it. Right, do you think so we'll see aribidopsis.

It was that word was like an obstacle course that I accidentally and blindly ran through it. Right, do you think so we'll see aribidopsis.

Uh.

Uh.

Yeah, it's a small flowering plant. It belongs to the mustard family. And the insect eggs were actually so worm cocoons.

Yeah, it's a small flowering plant. It belongs to the mustard family. And the insect eggs were actually so worm cocoons.

Very nice. Now we mentioned those two cameras, you can already see images. I guess it's a video that is just an image sequence of the lander actually landing, and it's always I mean, that's always fun to watch, and it will be scoured over by the internet just for the for the rest what fifty hundred years.

Very nice. Now we mentioned those two cameras, you can already see images. I guess it's a video that is just an image sequence of the lander actually landing, and it's always I mean, that's always fun to watch, and it will be scoured over by the internet just for the for the rest what fifty hundred years.

I go see the pixels.

I go see the pixels.

Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah.

Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah.

You're absolutely right. This mission was originally scheduled for December twenty fifteen. It is meant to explore and assess this unexplored region of the Moon, which is near the South Pole, and the aim here is to learn more about the age of the area and then to facilitate the construction of technology needed to create a successful lunar colony. Right, we've talked about it. We've talked about it. I cannot wait to go. Oh my gosh, it's going to be dangerous. It's going to be not the most luxurious place to live. But wouldn't you go? Would you go? Would you go to a moon colony? No? Why not?

You're absolutely right. This mission was originally scheduled for December twenty fifteen. It is meant to explore and assess this unexplored region of the Moon, which is near the South Pole, and the aim here is to learn more about the age of the area and then to facilitate the construction of technology needed to create a successful lunar colony. Right, we've talked about it. We've talked about it. I cannot wait to go. Oh my gosh, it's going to be dangerous. It's going to be not the most luxurious place to live. But wouldn't you go? Would you go? Would you go to a moon colony? No? Why not?

Not?

Not?

Unless?

Unless?

I like, not, unless stuff got so bad here that it was like an absolute thing that was gonna save min in my family's life.

I like, not, unless stuff got so bad here that it was like an absolute thing that was gonna save min in my family's life.

I'm a big old whimp, you guys.

I'm a big old whimp, you guys.

Not just to get in early, it's gonna say, not just to visit at Like.

Not just to get in early, it's gonna say, not just to visit at Like.

Flying to Los Angeles it takes like five hours and then my legs get really stiff.

Flying to Los Angeles it takes like five hours and then my legs get really stiff.

Going to the Moon. That just sounds like a nightmare.

Going to the Moon. That just sounds like a nightmare.

How long would it take?

How long would it take?

Do we know this?

Do we know this?

It takes about three days for a spacecraft to reach the Moon.

It takes about three days for a spacecraft to reach the Moon.

With current technology.

With current technology.

Man, f that noise?

Man, f that noise?

But are you serious?

But are you serious?

Sorry, I'm such a spoilsports Oh it does sound amazing, And you know, maybe if I had the opportunity, I might rethink it.

Sorry, I'm such a spoilsports Oh it does sound amazing, And you know, maybe if I had the opportunity, I might rethink it.

Right now, just being a curmudgeon.

Right now, just being a curmudgeon.

Would feel like you would have fomo.

Would feel like you would have fomo.

I'm a space cugget, you know, I would have that about me. You know that about me.

I'm a space cugget, you know, I would have that about me. You know that about me.

What if it was a huge spacecraft that's just ostensibly a conspiracy cruise that you got to take.

What if it was a huge spacecraft that's just ostensibly a conspiracy cruise that you got to take.

I don't know, man, I would be paranoid that we would just one would of course correct us and we ended up going into the sun.

I don't know, man, I would be paranoid that we would just one would of course correct us and we ended up going into the sun.

They still haven't figured out who drilled that hole in the ISS exactly.

They still haven't figured out who drilled that hole in the ISS exactly.

Oh that's true. Well, you know I would have to just say in answer to your question, I would do pretty much anything to be able to follow in Doc Rendezvous shoes.

Oh that's true. Well, you know I would have to just say in answer to your question, I would do pretty much anything to be able to follow in Doc Rendezvous shoes.

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I didn't even know what a pocket tea was.

I didn't even know what a pocket tea was.

It's apparently a T where the design is like where.

It's apparently a T where the design is like where.

The pocket goes. Yes, as advertised. It's really cool.

The pocket goes. Yes, as advertised. It's really cool.

So I think our are pals, uh who work with us in the T shirt department. I think they sensed our cartoonish excitement over the nickname Doctor buzz Rendezvous, right, So now we have a shirt about it.

So I think our are pals, uh who work with us in the T shirt department. I think they sensed our cartoonish excitement over the nickname Doctor buzz Rendezvous, right, So now we have a shirt about it.

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Yes, good save And in the future, let's look at what the Chang Gi four expects to accomplish. Ultimately, they want to do stuff that sets them up for success later on in this mission, which is an ongoing Star Trek esque thing. First, this rover will measure the chemical compositions of lunar rocks and soils. It'll measure lunar surface temperature. While it's out in the field. It will carry out low frequency radio astronomical observation and research using a radio telescope, which right now is going to be the envy of every astronomer on this planet because it is one of the quietest places to use this sort of telescope.

Yes, good save And in the future, let's look at what the Chang Gi four expects to accomplish. Ultimately, they want to do stuff that sets them up for success later on in this mission, which is an ongoing Star Trek esque thing. First, this rover will measure the chemical compositions of lunar rocks and soils. It'll measure lunar surface temperature. While it's out in the field. It will carry out low frequency radio astronomical observation and research using a radio telescope, which right now is going to be the envy of every astronomer on this planet because it is one of the quietest places to use this sort of telescope.

Yeah, and what a cool idea, just to get as a little interference as necessary. The next thing, the next two things actually looking at cosmic rays. That's cool, some powerful thing cosmic rays. And then to study the solar corona and investigate the radiation that's coming off of the Sun and specifically to explore coronal mass ejections.

Yeah, and what a cool idea, just to get as a little interference as necessary. The next thing, the next two things actually looking at cosmic rays. That's cool, some powerful thing cosmic rays. And then to study the solar corona and investigate the radiation that's coming off of the Sun and specifically to explore coronal mass ejections.

Which is one of your favorite doomsday scenario.

Which is one of your favorite doomsday scenario.

Yeah, exactly, So thank you, Thank you everyone involved in this project for studying those, because I do feel like that's gonna be one thing that causes a massive issue at some point on this planet in the next one hundred years.

Yeah, exactly, So thank you, Thank you everyone involved in this project for studying those, because I do feel like that's gonna be one thing that causes a massive issue at some point on this planet in the next one hundred years.

Now. We did a video on this a while back, but could you remind everybody what a CME is or maybe just what it does.

Now. We did a video on this a while back, but could you remind everybody what a CME is or maybe just what it does.

Oh? Sure.

Oh? Sure.

It's a massive charged particles that get ejected from the Sun and they just head outwards, and if they head towards the Earth and they happen to run into Earth, they can do a lot of things. One of the biggest things is that they affect. They have an effect that's kind of like what you hear as in what is it emp? Electromagnetic pulse kind of thing where it will fry circuits essentially and just destroy anything that's electronic.

It's a massive charged particles that get ejected from the Sun and they just head outwards, and if they head towards the Earth and they happen to run into Earth, they can do a lot of things. One of the biggest things is that they affect. They have an effect that's kind of like what you hear as in what is it emp? Electromagnetic pulse kind of thing where it will fry circuits essentially and just destroy anything that's electronic.

And a call back to our pal Josh Clark's End of the World show, Isn't that a potential existential risk?

And a call back to our pal Josh Clark's End of the World show, Isn't that a potential existential risk?

Yes? Yeah, yeah, and it's out there looming. Whenever you see sun spots like that are aimed at the Earth, I always think, like, see, I don't even need.

Yes? Yeah, yeah, and it's out there looming. Whenever you see sun spots like that are aimed at the Earth, I always think, like, see, I don't even need.

To get shot into the Sun with a spaceship to get fried by its mighty rays.

To get shot into the Sun with a spaceship to get fried by its mighty rays.

Here in the United States, the sun shoots you exactly.

Here in the United States, the sun shoots you exactly.

That's good.

That's good.

That was my Russian nailed. The United States to nailed.

That was my Russian nailed. The United States to nailed.

It's little more Brooklyn than Russia.

It's little more Brooklyn than Russia.

I don't know what it was.

I don't know what it was.

Siberia Brooklyn, Yeah, sure, Siberia by way of Brooklyn, Brooklyn. So this this is important stuff, right, And I think did we mention that CMEs have occurred like in Canada, I think in the nineteen eighties.

Siberia Brooklyn, Yeah, sure, Siberia by way of Brooklyn, Brooklyn. So this this is important stuff, right, And I think did we mention that CMEs have occurred like in Canada, I think in the nineteen eighties.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's have been some recorded instances of a CME, and probably over the span of humanity there have been CMEs that have occurred that we just didn't understand what they were the time, and they had some weird effects. Didn't have so many transistors and you know CPUs back in the day that would be affected fully. Electrical systems like long wires that carry electricity, they can be affected as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's have been some recorded instances of a CME, and probably over the span of humanity there have been CMEs that have occurred that we just didn't understand what they were the time, and they had some weird effects. Didn't have so many transistors and you know CPUs back in the day that would be affected fully. Electrical systems like long wires that carry electricity, they can be affected as well.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The thing that makes the far side of the Moon so attractive is the same thing that makes it so difficult to get to her to communicate with It's tough. You have to use that relay satellite. But the scientific payoff is huge, According to Tong Hi Liu, deputy director of the Lunar Exploration and Space Programs Center for the China National Space Administration, against the far side of the Moon is shielded from electromagnetic interference from Earth, making it an ideal place to research the space environment and solar bursts, and the probe can listen to the deeper reaches of the cosmos. They're bearing the lead a little bit here because for any fans of extraterrestrials UFO exploration in the audience, that is a clear indication that they may may be capable of sensing some signal that would not ordinarily be within our means to differentiate from the background noise.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The thing that makes the far side of the Moon so attractive is the same thing that makes it so difficult to get to her to communicate with It's tough. You have to use that relay satellite. But the scientific payoff is huge, According to Tong Hi Liu, deputy director of the Lunar Exploration and Space Programs Center for the China National Space Administration, against the far side of the Moon is shielded from electromagnetic interference from Earth, making it an ideal place to research the space environment and solar bursts, and the probe can listen to the deeper reaches of the cosmos. They're bearing the lead a little bit here because for any fans of extraterrestrials UFO exploration in the audience, that is a clear indication that they may may be capable of sensing some signal that would not ordinarily be within our means to differentiate from the background noise.

Yeah, dude, Oh that's really cool. And it will be of course gray aliens from Andromeda most likely, of course, of course, and or reptilians from a different.

Yeah, dude, Oh that's really cool. And it will be of course gray aliens from Andromeda most likely, of course, of course, and or reptilians from a different.

Galaxy also Andromeda.

Galaxy also Andromeda.

Okay, okay, right, I'm seriously, I really.

Okay, okay, right, I'm seriously, I really.

Hope I feel like the reptilians from some galaxy called like, you know, some weird name and then a number, you know, like oh sure Prcus nine.

Hope I feel like the reptilians from some galaxy called like, you know, some weird name and then a number, you know, like oh sure Prcus nine.

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Oh my gosh, thought, yes, oh they're from the Draco oh consolation, right, got it got.

It obviously, right, Ye. So, as we could assume from the name, the Changi four represents one of several steps in China's Lunar Exploration Program or KLEP. It's a series of robotic by which we mean unmanned missions to the lunar surface, and the name, as we had mentioned before, pays homage to a Chinese goddess of the moon. The program spans multiple years. It's meant to be conducted in three phases of incremental technological advancement. You know, Changi four is one in an iteration that doesn't end with four, and it's kind of like HEINZ fifty seven, except there really are fifty six other varieties, right. And the first thing they did was just to reach lunar orbit. They said, let's just get something to orbit the Moon without completely screwing it up.

It obviously, right, Ye. So, as we could assume from the name, the Changi four represents one of several steps in China's Lunar Exploration Program or KLEP. It's a series of robotic by which we mean unmanned missions to the lunar surface, and the name, as we had mentioned before, pays homage to a Chinese goddess of the moon. The program spans multiple years. It's meant to be conducted in three phases of incremental technological advancement. You know, Changi four is one in an iteration that doesn't end with four, and it's kind of like HEINZ fifty seven, except there really are fifty six other varieties, right. And the first thing they did was just to reach lunar orbit. They said, let's just get something to orbit the Moon without completely screwing it up.

Yeah, And they did the twelve years ago, almost in two thousand and seven, with.

Yeah, And they did the twelve years ago, almost in two thousand and seven, with.

The Chongi one, and its job was pretty simple. It was a success. It was such a success that it overstayed it's welcome. It stayed in orbit until March of two thousand and nine, and then they launched the chong E two which is a pretty interesting, pretty interesting thing, because it didn't just do a typical lunar orbit.

The Chongi one, and its job was pretty simple. It was a success. It was such a success that it overstayed it's welcome. It stayed in orbit until March of two thousand and nine, and then they launched the chong E two which is a pretty interesting, pretty interesting thing, because it didn't just do a typical lunar orbit.

Did it. Yeah.

Did it. Yeah.

So the chong E two was an updated version of its predecessor with a lot of tech improvements, things like better onboard cameras, and the satellite is currently in deep space as we speak and expected to return to Earth sometime in or around twenty twenty nine, which is a very futuristic sounding date.

So the chong E two was an updated version of its predecessor with a lot of tech improvements, things like better onboard cameras, and the satellite is currently in deep space as we speak and expected to return to Earth sometime in or around twenty twenty nine, which is a very futuristic sounding date.

When you say it out loud, it really is.

When you say it out loud, it really is.

Yeah, but nineteen ninety nine used to sound equally astonishing.

Yeah, but nineteen ninety nine used to sound equally astonishing.

Well, you know, hindsight is twenty twenty Yeah.

Well, you know, hindsight is twenty twenty Yeah.

Go, it's twenty twenty nine. So this is neat because it's traveling. The experiment here is to send this thing on a very far orbit and then have it return right And if we can, if our species can establish this proof of concept, then we will also be able to potentially in the future send people further out. Yeah, if that fad ever comes back in style. The second phase is the land and rove around on the Moon, as Changi three did in twenty thirteen and Changi four did in January twenty nineteen. The chang E three in twenty thirteen became the first object to land on the Moon since the Soviet Union's Luna twenty four in nineteen seventy six. Officially, this objective of this was to achieve China's first soft landing and rover exploration on the Moon, as well as again demonstrate develop technology for future missions. It did a lot of lunar surveying. It measured the lunar crust to a depth of several hundred meters. It also discovered a new type of rock. So go you number three.

Go, it's twenty twenty nine. So this is neat because it's traveling. The experiment here is to send this thing on a very far orbit and then have it return right And if we can, if our species can establish this proof of concept, then we will also be able to potentially in the future send people further out. Yeah, if that fad ever comes back in style. The second phase is the land and rove around on the Moon, as Changi three did in twenty thirteen and Changi four did in January twenty nineteen. The chang E three in twenty thirteen became the first object to land on the Moon since the Soviet Union's Luna twenty four in nineteen seventy six. Officially, this objective of this was to achieve China's first soft landing and rover exploration on the Moon, as well as again demonstrate develop technology for future missions. It did a lot of lunar surveying. It measured the lunar crust to a depth of several hundred meters. It also discovered a new type of rock. So go you number three.

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That's sweet, nice word chaining you three.

I have a quick question for you guys.

I have a quick question for you guys.

Yeah, you talked about the idea of sending humans to outer space as being like a fad, and I think that's funny and also true because we think of that being the only way to do space or exploration. But obviously the technology is such that we don't have to risk the human lives to do the work and get the data. Is can you think of a reason why it would become back in style or you know, like important for the mission to send humans rather than a rovers and you know, other remote controlled things.

Yeah, you talked about the idea of sending humans to outer space as being like a fad, and I think that's funny and also true because we think of that being the only way to do space or exploration. But obviously the technology is such that we don't have to risk the human lives to do the work and get the data. Is can you think of a reason why it would become back in style or you know, like important for the mission to send humans rather than a rovers and you know, other remote controlled things.

To construct the lunar colony and then eventually have all of the colonists there unless we were doing a full AI colony, which could be interesting.

To construct the lunar colony and then eventually have all of the colonists there unless we were doing a full AI colony, which could be interesting.

So it would be more like construction stuff.

So it would be more like construction stuff.

I mean, like, you know, there's really no reason to have humans out there digging for samples when you can have like a robot do it just as effectively, if not more so, right.

I mean, like, you know, there's really no reason to have humans out there digging for samples when you can have like a robot do it just as effectively, if not more so, right.

Right, One of the big pieces here would also be having it would also be the advantage of having a person on the ground to repair machinery, which alloid machines can't quite do yet. But ultimately, the whole goal with sending people up there and exploratory occupations is to build, as you said, Matt, a lasting non earth presence for humanity to start to seed the Solar System and then later maybe eventually the galaxy, unless that already happened before and we are an unknowing results or consequence of that earlier action.

Right, One of the big pieces here would also be having it would also be the advantage of having a person on the ground to repair machinery, which alloid machines can't quite do yet. But ultimately, the whole goal with sending people up there and exploratory occupations is to build, as you said, Matt, a lasting non earth presence for humanity to start to seed the Solar System and then later maybe eventually the galaxy, unless that already happened before and we are an unknowing results or consequence of that earlier action.

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This and the slant rhyme here Spidium segue would be hot takes, cool vapes, rare steaks deep space. And the third step in this plan is to collect lunar samples from the near side of the Moon and send them back to Earth. It just going in uh. This is a task for Change five and the Change six missions, and they get more and more advanced eventually. So the big game changers are going to be Chang E seven and eight, because CHANGI eight will hopefully include a three D printing mechanism to begin fabricating structures that people will eventually live in on the Moon, and it, like its predecessor, will carry a small sealed ecosystem with it to see how things grow over the long term. This is meant to bring people. Initially it'll be scientists, but eventually it will just be a breeding population to bring human beings to the Moon and build a permanent outpost somewhere near the lunar south Pole. Overall, this seems to be a well planned out, ambitious yet reasoned push to expand human knowledge. China came very late to the space race. Their first satellite was launched in nineteen seventy, well after human beings officially landed on the Moon, but China has invested billions of dollars in the space race ever since. And it shows go humanity, right, yeah.

This and the slant rhyme here Spidium segue would be hot takes, cool vapes, rare steaks deep space. And the third step in this plan is to collect lunar samples from the near side of the Moon and send them back to Earth. It just going in uh. This is a task for Change five and the Change six missions, and they get more and more advanced eventually. So the big game changers are going to be Chang E seven and eight, because CHANGI eight will hopefully include a three D printing mechanism to begin fabricating structures that people will eventually live in on the Moon, and it, like its predecessor, will carry a small sealed ecosystem with it to see how things grow over the long term. This is meant to bring people. Initially it'll be scientists, but eventually it will just be a breeding population to bring human beings to the Moon and build a permanent outpost somewhere near the lunar south Pole. Overall, this seems to be a well planned out, ambitious yet reasoned push to expand human knowledge. China came very late to the space race. Their first satellite was launched in nineteen seventy, well after human beings officially landed on the Moon, but China has invested billions of dollars in the space race ever since. And it shows go humanity, right, yeah.

Go humanity. Let's all get to the Moon first and build a base first.

Go humanity. Let's all get to the Moon first and build a base first.

Right. Some critics believe there's more to the story, and here's where it gets crazy. Yeah, the KLEP program has raised alarms in other space programs NASA, Jackson so on, as well as countries across the planet, and with good reason. This isn't just paranoid Cold war thinking. It goes back to what we would call the militarization of space, which is against the closest thing we have to global law, right. And the problem is that a lot of the things you could develop for peaceful exploration are also things you could use for non peaceful purposes. It's called dual use technology. So when you guys remember back when, back when there was that cover story about the existence of weapons of mass destruction to justify adventurism in the Middle.

Right. Some critics believe there's more to the story, and here's where it gets crazy. Yeah, the KLEP program has raised alarms in other space programs NASA, Jackson so on, as well as countries across the planet, and with good reason. This isn't just paranoid Cold war thinking. It goes back to what we would call the militarization of space, which is against the closest thing we have to global law, right. And the problem is that a lot of the things you could develop for peaceful exploration are also things you could use for non peaceful purposes. It's called dual use technology. So when you guys remember back when, back when there was that cover story about the existence of weapons of mass destruction to justify adventurism in the Middle.

East, what that happened.

East, what that happened.

Well, one of the big concerns there was the idea of dual use technology. The same enrichment process you use to build a relatively safe nuclear power plant is the same enrichment process you use to build weapons. But the only thing that really changes is the number of iterations, right that the number of times you go through that process. And in a way, space technology is similar. Although laws prevent the militarization of space, these are pretty tough to enforce, right, I mean, what are you gonna, what are you gonna You're gonna send the cops, Yeah, the space cops. We don't even have Space Force.

Well, one of the big concerns there was the idea of dual use technology. The same enrichment process you use to build a relatively safe nuclear power plant is the same enrichment process you use to build weapons. But the only thing that really changes is the number of iterations, right that the number of times you go through that process. And in a way, space technology is similar. Although laws prevent the militarization of space, these are pretty tough to enforce, right, I mean, what are you gonna, what are you gonna You're gonna send the cops, Yeah, the space cops. We don't even have Space Force.

Yet, not yet. Did you have about the Steve Carrell show Space Forces?

Yet, not yet. Did you have about the Steve Carrell show Space Forces?

It gonna be like the Office, but in space, I hear tell, And I'm trying not to get too excited about.

It gonna be like the Office, but in space, I hear tell, And I'm trying not to get too excited about.

Why isn't that just the Orville?

Why isn't that just the Orville?

I think the Orville is much more of a Star Trek. Yeah, I've heard it's great, so I haven't seen it.

I think the Orville is much more of a Star Trek. Yeah, I've heard it's great, so I haven't seen it.

I've seen it's good, So this will just be the Office in space.

I've seen it's good, So this will just be the Office in space.

That's what I thought. That was the one line pitch. That's obviously the lowest hanging fruit type show for Steve Carell to do.

That's what I thought. That was the one line pitch. That's obviously the lowest hanging fruit type show for Steve Carell to do.

But I don't know. I'm intrigued.

But I don't know. I'm intrigued.

I'll check it out. I'll check it out. Let us know if you think it's going to be a bomb or if you think it's it's going to be a new age in space based comedy, I think TV shows.

I'll check it out. I'll check it out. Let us know if you think it's going to be a bomb or if you think it's it's going to be a new age in space based comedy, I think TV shows.

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Yes.

True Detective season three.

True Detective season three.

Oh yeah, are you caught up?

Oh yeah, are you caught up?

Dude?

Dude?

It's really good.

It's really good.

It is.

It is.

It's really really good. Because I did not like the second season. It lost me and I wanted to like it. I was really trepidacious about season three. But I think it's fantastic.

It's really really good. Because I did not like the second season. It lost me and I wanted to like it. I was really trepidacious about season three. But I think it's fantastic.

People would have liked the second season if it was not built as True Detective season two, if it had just been like, look at Vince Vaughan again, looking as though he needs to sleep, which is how Vince Vaughn often looks. He's a hard working guy. He's a hard working dude. So one way nations have historically tried to ease these tensions, you know, try to relax and chill out a bit, is through scientific collaboration, international assistance, with research, funding and manufacturing. We see this happen in Antarctica in the South Pole. Here researchers stay at the compounds of other nations all the time. Right, That's why we did that episode, didn't we on what happens if someone commits a murder into Antarctica? Yeah, it gets complicated. We did that, ridiculous history, We did that, Okay, so it is worth checking out. The answer is not simple. The problem here is that we can't have the scientific collaboration that eases concerns about dual use technology because there's a US law from twenty eleven that bans any official contact with Chinese space officials. This exacerbates the already thick tensions and miasma of mistrust.

People would have liked the second season if it was not built as True Detective season two, if it had just been like, look at Vince Vaughan again, looking as though he needs to sleep, which is how Vince Vaughn often looks. He's a hard working guy. He's a hard working dude. So one way nations have historically tried to ease these tensions, you know, try to relax and chill out a bit, is through scientific collaboration, international assistance, with research, funding and manufacturing. We see this happen in Antarctica in the South Pole. Here researchers stay at the compounds of other nations all the time. Right, That's why we did that episode, didn't we on what happens if someone commits a murder into Antarctica? Yeah, it gets complicated. We did that, ridiculous history, We did that, Okay, so it is worth checking out. The answer is not simple. The problem here is that we can't have the scientific collaboration that eases concerns about dual use technology because there's a US law from twenty eleven that bans any official contact with Chinese space officials. This exacerbates the already thick tensions and miasma of mistrust.

Wow, And that is why in recent history, Vice President Michael Pence he went to the Pentagon. This was in January as well, and he accused China and Russia of developing technologies and weapons to target US satellites and working to bring new weapons of war into space itself.

Wow, And that is why in recent history, Vice President Michael Pence he went to the Pentagon. This was in January as well, and he accused China and Russia of developing technologies and weapons to target US satellites and working to bring new weapons of war into space itself.

Yeah, nobody acts aggressively on their own right. We're always acting in defense of something.

Yeah, nobody acts aggressively on their own right. We're always acting in defense of something.

Why would you guys take weapons of mass destruction into space while we're doing it too, I'm just kidding. I have no proof that we're doing that, but it.

Why would you guys take weapons of mass destruction into space while we're doing it too, I'm just kidding. I have no proof that we're doing that, but it.

Leads to ulterior motives. Well, I mean, what is the X thirty seven B doing up there right? That is the unmanned spacecraft that has orbited for more than one hundred and eighty days before No one officially knows what it's doing. So what if there are ulterior motives to the newest the newest fouries into space by China, what are they to quote Tom Waits building up there. This builds on the concern about the militarization of space and the next question becomes more specific, what are they making? One guess would be a potentially massive resource mining business, because China could potentially make an enormous windfall by transporting fusion ready helium three. This is something that was new to me. Were you guys aware of this?

Leads to ulterior motives. Well, I mean, what is the X thirty seven B doing up there right? That is the unmanned spacecraft that has orbited for more than one hundred and eighty days before No one officially knows what it's doing. So what if there are ulterior motives to the newest the newest fouries into space by China, what are they to quote Tom Waits building up there. This builds on the concern about the militarization of space and the next question becomes more specific, what are they making? One guess would be a potentially massive resource mining business, because China could potentially make an enormous windfall by transporting fusion ready helium three. This is something that was new to me. Were you guys aware of this?

We I believe we talked about it on a Moon episode a while ago, or with the Mars episode, maybe with Marshall Brain I can't remember, or maybe I've just learned about this. God, I don't know. I thought I talked with you about this. Ben Helium three a massive source for future fuel, like what we're going to probably be using, and the Moon has a whole heck of a lot of it. Yeah.

We I believe we talked about it on a Moon episode a while ago, or with the Mars episode, maybe with Marshall Brain I can't remember, or maybe I've just learned about this. God, I don't know. I thought I talked with you about this. Ben Helium three a massive source for future fuel, like what we're going to probably be using, and the Moon has a whole heck of a lot of it. Yeah.

Helium three is a is a very tasty nuclear fuel because there are no neutrons generated as a product of the reaction, and the protons that do get generated have charge, and they can be safely contained using electromagnetic fields. So yeah, I think you are right. We did talk a little bit about this. Maybe the good mister brain people once imagine that Saturn or Jupiter would be the right place to get your hands on some helium three. But now it looks like China has their site set on the Moon, and we have a quote about how much stuff might be up there.

Helium three is a is a very tasty nuclear fuel because there are no neutrons generated as a product of the reaction, and the protons that do get generated have charge, and they can be safely contained using electromagnetic fields. So yeah, I think you are right. We did talk a little bit about this. Maybe the good mister brain people once imagine that Saturn or Jupiter would be the right place to get your hands on some helium three. But now it looks like China has their site set on the Moon, and we have a quote about how much stuff might be up there.

This comes from Extreme Tech, and it says although the Sun dispenses ample amounts of helium three wherever it blows, the Earth is largely shielded from this windfall by its own magnetic field, and the little we do have is mostly generated by various terrestrial processes like cosmic ray bombardment and even relic sources from leftover nuclear warheads. The Moon, on the other hand, is a far more concentrated depot, with up to five million tons conveniently embedded in its top surface layer.

This comes from Extreme Tech, and it says although the Sun dispenses ample amounts of helium three wherever it blows, the Earth is largely shielded from this windfall by its own magnetic field, and the little we do have is mostly generated by various terrestrial processes like cosmic ray bombardment and even relic sources from leftover nuclear warheads. The Moon, on the other hand, is a far more concentrated depot, with up to five million tons conveniently embedded in its top surface layer.

So it's not even that difficult to mine it.

So it's not even that difficult to mine it.

No, no, it's not buried deep.

No, no, it's not buried deep.

In the lunar surface.

In the lunar surface.

But guys, you're changing the Moon if you take that stuff off. You know what I'm saying, like an escape. If you mind enough of this helium three, what are you going to do to the not only the composition of the moon, but also, oh, I don't know the mass of the moon. If we mind it the way we you know, we take down trees in the Amazon, like, good lord, we're gonna have a hollow moon.

But guys, you're changing the Moon if you take that stuff off. You know what I'm saying, like an escape. If you mind enough of this helium three, what are you going to do to the not only the composition of the moon, but also, oh, I don't know the mass of the moon. If we mind it the way we you know, we take down trees in the Amazon, like, good lord, we're gonna have a hollow moon.

You know, I get the feeling that you're thirty percent joking, yes, but seventy percent raising a legit concern, right, Yeah, it's true. It's that that's one ulterior motive, and it's potentially it potentially could be an ecological disaster or an astronomical disaster, perhaps because you know, I wonder would they ever actually mind so much of a resource off the moon? Would humanity ever mind so much of a thing off the Moon that it does affect its mass and its orbit.

You know, I get the feeling that you're thirty percent joking, yes, but seventy percent raising a legit concern, right, Yeah, it's true. It's that that's one ulterior motive, and it's potentially it potentially could be an ecological disaster or an astronomical disaster, perhaps because you know, I wonder would they ever actually mind so much of a resource off the moon? Would humanity ever mind so much of a thing off the Moon that it does affect its mass and its orbit.

I can't imagine that it would happen anytime in the near future, and by that I mean hundreds and hundreds of years. But still we would be mining it for a while. Why would we stop mining it unless we could at least prove that, oh, it's gonna crash into the Earth now, or you know, we're gonna change the tide's X amount because of this. And I can't even imagine helium having enough of an effect on any of that stuff just with the amount of mass it has in volume all.

I can't imagine that it would happen anytime in the near future, and by that I mean hundreds and hundreds of years. But still we would be mining it for a while. Why would we stop mining it unless we could at least prove that, oh, it's gonna crash into the Earth now, or you know, we're gonna change the tide's X amount because of this. And I can't even imagine helium having enough of an effect on any of that stuff just with the amount of mass it has in volume all.

That, But what if that's a What if that's a cover story as well? What if the mining is cover story? What if they're looking for something else. According to one of the United Kingdom's favorite tabloids, The Sun, last year twenty eighteen, a guy named Carl Wolf, the technician at the Air Force Tactical Air Command Headquarters in Langley, Virginia, claim to have discovered artificial structures on the far side of the Moon.

That, But what if that's a What if that's a cover story as well? What if the mining is cover story? What if they're looking for something else. According to one of the United Kingdom's favorite tabloids, The Sun, last year twenty eighteen, a guy named Carl Wolf, the technician at the Air Force Tactical Air Command Headquarters in Langley, Virginia, claim to have discovered artificial structures on the far side of the Moon.

Go on.

Go on.

They found strange shapes and images taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, a probe that circled the Moon since back in nine and according to Wolf, these were structures that were definitely not created by natural means such as meteors or ancient collisions with other heavenly bodies. He believes that the structures were quote created by intelligent beings. Most noticeable was what looked like radar antenna is very similar to what you could see on Earth.

They found strange shapes and images taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, a probe that circled the Moon since back in nine and according to Wolf, these were structures that were definitely not created by natural means such as meteors or ancient collisions with other heavenly bodies. He believes that the structures were quote created by intelligent beings. Most noticeable was what looked like radar antenna is very similar to what you could see on Earth.

Hold on, Yeah, what is going on here? This is a gentleman that appears to have some credentials from the Air Force Tactical Air Command Headquarters that is saying these things nol.

Hold on, Yeah, what is going on here? This is a gentleman that appears to have some credentials from the Air Force Tactical Air Command Headquarters that is saying these things nol.

Why Noel?

Why Noel?

What does that mean? We've been here before? Someone has been here before and set up all of like maybe a base is already there. What what is happening to you? Guys?

What does that mean? We've been here before? Someone has been here before and set up all of like maybe a base is already there. What what is happening to you? Guys?

I you know what, I'm gonna let that simmer because I have an update for that, but I was I wanted to save it for the end of the day show.

I you know what, I'm gonna let that simmer because I have an update for that, but I was I wanted to save it for the end of the day show.

Is that?

Is that?

Okay, okay, it's going be a weird update for everybody to know going in. It's going to be a weird one. But for now, let's just remember that Carl Wolf, technician Air Force Tactical Air Command, totally believes there are structures of some sort that did not occur naturally that exist on the far side.

Okay, okay, it's going be a weird update for everybody to know going in. It's going to be a weird one. But for now, let's just remember that Carl Wolf, technician Air Force Tactical Air Command, totally believes there are structures of some sort that did not occur naturally that exist on the far side.

Of the Moon, and they have evidence from pictures.

Of the Moon, and they have evidence from pictures.

Yes, and has, in his opinion, visual evidence.

Yes, and has, in his opinion, visual evidence.

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There are other people who argue that maybe we're opening a door we shouldn't open. There are some conspiracy theorists who say that the probe could put us all in mortal danger, arguing that alien races living on the Moon to go with us here for a second, could see the landing as an act of war against their space, potentially with devastating consequences. Other people believe that the dark side of the Moon is peppered by craters left by secret NASA military bombings.

There are other people who argue that maybe we're opening a door we shouldn't open. There are some conspiracy theorists who say that the probe could put us all in mortal danger, arguing that alien races living on the Moon to go with us here for a second, could see the landing as an act of war against their space, potentially with devastating consequences. Other people believe that the dark side of the Moon is peppered by craters left by secret NASA military bombings.

Okay, bombing.

Okay, bombing.

Wait, you mean like from when we tried to blow up the moon, Yeah, or.

Wait, you mean like from when we tried to blow up the moon, Yeah, or.

When we tried to blow up the alien races that are living.

When we tried to blow up the alien races that are living.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh no, no, no.

Oh no, no, no.

But there's that whole story where we were trying to intimidate other countries by shooting missiles of the Moon that would make a big cloud that they could see to demonstrate our superiority.

But there's that whole story where we were trying to intimidate other countries by shooting missiles of the Moon that would make a big cloud that they could see to demonstrate our superiority.

Didn't Is this that I make this opposite?

Didn't Is this that I make this opposite?

No, that's true. That's the thing that really happened. It never got past the planning stages. But that's what it's rights. That's what mister Show was referencing and their famous blow up the Moon sketch.

No, that's true. That's the thing that really happened. It never got past the planning stages. But that's what it's rights. That's what mister Show was referencing and their famous blow up the Moon sketch.

So you're saying, there are craters that possibly were left by some version of what we're talking about that did happen.

So you're saying, there are craters that possibly were left by some version of what we're talking about that did happen.

People, there are people who believe it. Yes, that's interesting. I myself, it's I am of the opinion that it seems like a lot of trouble to go to, right, especially given the propaganda you would want to detonate something like that on the Earth facing side.

People, there are people who believe it. Yes, that's interesting. I myself, it's I am of the opinion that it seems like a lot of trouble to go to, right, especially given the propaganda you would want to detonate something like that on the Earth facing side.

Yeah, but if you were an alien community or in an extraterrestrial community living, existing on that dark side of the Moon would be pretty advantageous.

Yeah, but if you were an alien community or in an extraterrestrial community living, existing on that dark side of the Moon would be pretty advantageous.

Oh yeah, it'd be dope.

Oh yeah, it'd be dope.

You're not going to be found, You're not getting you know, you can actually make your own radio programs and not get interrupted by all the noise.

You're not going to be found, You're not getting you know, you can actually make your own radio programs and not get interrupted by all the noise.

This this theory first arose in two thousand and nine after NASA deliberately fired a rocket and satellite into the lunar surface. They said it was an attempt to kick up moon dust so they could analyze this debris from Earth and determine if the Moon held any water. So that's that's their that's their story, all right, Matt, Matt, Yeah, are you over the lies of Big NASA?

This this theory first arose in two thousand and nine after NASA deliberately fired a rocket and satellite into the lunar surface. They said it was an attempt to kick up moon dust so they could analyze this debris from Earth and determine if the Moon held any water. So that's that's their that's their story, all right, Matt, Matt, Yeah, are you over the lies of Big NASA?

No, it's just not as much fun, that's all it is. We're gonna look at a cloud, study its content.

No, it's just not as much fun, that's all it is. We're gonna look at a cloud, study its content.

But it's important if you want to build a colony on the Moon. This is the more long term question, and it reminds us, It reminds me, at least of that Martial Brain episode where he walked us through his thought experiment on how to set up a Martian society. He had some pretty articulated social theories, right, And one thing that's almost inescapable, whether you're talking the Moon or Mars, is that after some amount of time, any actual self sustaining non Earth colony will eventually inevitably become an independent entity, kind of like the colonies in North and South America when it used to be called the New World. The cost of transportation and governance eventually became too high for the European powers, and the terrestrial overlords of the future will also have a tough time maintaining control unless they bake in some specific, unchangeable dependencies. They probably want rule the Moon for long. Maybe they would have to do something like be the gatekeepers of food supply, right, or be able to turn off the air or something.

But it's important if you want to build a colony on the Moon. This is the more long term question, and it reminds us, It reminds me, at least of that Martial Brain episode where he walked us through his thought experiment on how to set up a Martian society. He had some pretty articulated social theories, right, And one thing that's almost inescapable, whether you're talking the Moon or Mars, is that after some amount of time, any actual self sustaining non Earth colony will eventually inevitably become an independent entity, kind of like the colonies in North and South America when it used to be called the New World. The cost of transportation and governance eventually became too high for the European powers, and the terrestrial overlords of the future will also have a tough time maintaining control unless they bake in some specific, unchangeable dependencies. They probably want rule the Moon for long. Maybe they would have to do something like be the gatekeepers of food supply, right, or be able to turn off the air or something.

Yeah, but then that all changes as soon as the colony is self sustaining and you're growing plants and some kind of biosphere thing, you know, I mean, quickly the colony becomes in control of itself.

Yeah, but then that all changes as soon as the colony is self sustaining and you're growing plants and some kind of biosphere thing, you know, I mean, quickly the colony becomes in control of itself.

Yeah, if the colony doesn't collapse under its own the weight of its own social functioning, right, I mean, look, we've all seen Biodome. It is a harrowing exploration of the human psyche.