On this week’s episode of Trumponomics, host Stephanie Flanders, Bloomberg’s head of government and economics, dives into what she calls “the curious case of the everywhere, nowhere tariffs.”

Since President Donald Trump’s return to the White House, his sweeping new trade levies—pitched as a way to “liberate” the US economy—have dominated headlines and whipsawed markets. But where are the real effects? Flanders is joined by Anna Wong, Bloomberg Economics’ chief US economist, and Brad Setser, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, to untangle who’s actually paying for these tariffs, how they have affected the US economy so far, and whether there’s any evidence they’re accomplishing any of Trump’s stated goals.