The volume. It's Snaps presented by fan Duel. Football season is here and there's no better place to get in on that action than fan Duel. But why t Bob, Why We'll let me tell you. Okay, First off, the app is safe, secure, it's easy to use. Okay. Fan Duel always has these great exclusive offers where you can get you win a little more. When you win, you'll get paid fast, no waiting, no bs, and they get a ton of ways to play. Man spread money, line over under his totals props, Same Game parlays everything live betting. If you get to the show later, it doesn't matter, just live bet it. They also have the teasingly vague Same Game Parlay Plus. I don't think it's a streaming service, but there's only one way to find out, So by downloading the fan Duel Sports Book app today, promo code Snaps and make every moment more this football season. You know what's going on, y'all. Welcome man to another edition of Snaps. It is Wednesday, October five. How about it, boys, We are creeping right along here during uh spooky season. That's right. The word of the usage of creep there was on purpose. Uh so excited to be back for another day snaps talking about our favorite thing in the world, college football. I'm your host, Tibob a Bear, joined as always by our own resident QB one, the record holder, Mr Aaron Murray Air. What's up, dude? Man? What's up? T Bob happy winds that everyone listening? Uh Man, I'm just getting getting that that. I don't know if it is the right word. I guess it is the right word. Uh. To get to Athens this weekend is getting a little bit more and more for me. Finally got the tailgate plan set, we got the lunch plan set. It's real. I'm gonna be getting wild tea Bob crazy on Saturday in Athens, and It's it's kind of coming together right now. So I'm like, I now I know what it feels like for for everyone that that gets ready for a game day, whether you're in band Rouge to to Columbus to Athens to wherever. Uh the the all the planning that goes into it, because you know, for us, we just show him play like you just you practice all week, You go to the hotel, you jump on the bus, you go to the stadium, you go play the football game. Like that's it. Like outside the stadium, there's all this planning going on, like where are we gonna park, where are we gonna meet? What food are you bringing? What? What drinks do you want? Like I'm like, holy crap, Like I'm using just showing doing it. This is pretty awesome. A football game is harder than playing in a football game, that's what you. Hey, very true anytime anytime some player tries to give you some ship fans for not getting it or not caring as much, okay, justin fields. Well, have you ever had to play in your drinks and food for the tired tale of tailgating? I didn't think so. Okay, yeah, Aaron, welcome the other side. It's tough business man, it's a tough bus. Hey. We need to get we need to get Murray some snaps uh stickers or something to hand out from maybe like tattoo a QR code on his forehead because something tells me eron one of the fats. Okay, you know some some some snappins, let's go. Who doesn't love pits? But also like you're going to be mobbed at a Georgia game right like it's it's it's going to be constant. Oh yeah, it's gonna be really uh. I joke about the I joke about the drinks because honestly, I'll probably be getting drinks start on my my face left and right. That's a hard part. Like I'm not a big drinker. I do drink, but I'll drink a lot. So I feel like getting in a setting like this, it's gonna be like Aaron, take a shot, Aaron, take this shot, take this shot. Fireballs, let's go and all of a sudden you'll fall over myself, you know. But lucky for me, my wife's pregnant. She can't ink. So I got a desnate driver back to Atlanta so I can get as crazy as I want. He's gonna be annoyed, though, I guarantee it. So I'm just hoping that, like we make it to our seats before she gets piste off at me. That's I get it. You're gonna do a little blackout for the blackout. Hell yeah, taking the Georgia Standard the extra mile. It's not actually a blackout this weekend, is it? No way you are wasted a blackout on Auburn. Okay, okay, I'm making sure. Uh yeah, I don't worry. I I should be able to do the heavy lifting on snaps have the dark this time around, as my own game will be at eleven am. And after flying too close to the inebriated sun and having the liquor essentially melt the wax off my wings last weekend, I've decided I will no longer be drinking mescal throughout the l s U game. I know you're growing up the no no liquor before working up. I feel like a Trailer Park Boys character. He's you and the damn liquor again, Mr Lee, No lady's back on the acre. I mean that is what happened, because last year the same exact thing happened. We're during the season. I realized after the Kentucky game I was getting too drunk before doing that show. I switched to beer and went swimmingly after that, so the boys were going back to beer. I don't know how I found myself back in this mescal hole. I just love mescal. I mean that's all there is to it, dude. It's a delicious drink to me any time of the year. It's got all the sexy fun of tequila mixed with the smoky richness of of you know, a great like Scotch or something or a whiskey. Uh mescal is my favorite liquor ever. But but I will sacrifice for us for team snaps, for snaps after dark one and so that you can get a little wild on Saturday. Aaron Murray, Uh, thank you to everybody joined us today in the YouTube chet You know we love uh having you in here. Go ahead and continue to like the YouTube channel, subscribe to the Volume Sport. It's very excited to be here on the Volume. Shout out Colin. Remember download the vandel sports book app. Promo code snaps all kinds of incredible deals. 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And where is there maybe some values to be found in some of these future mets. And so we're gonna run on the list here. Okay, we we've we've been talking. We put it together. And no, Mark Cumby Colin did not call me to the office. I didn't come into snaps last week and probably because probably Saw Drugger was on whiskey and wine. Um, but no, this is this is a this is a self imposed flogging here. Okay. Um, Let's start with probably the most boring one in here, Aaron, and that is right now the A C. C um Clemson, the heavy favorite to win the a c C. Is there anybody besides Clemson that you think can win it or that you would put money on. Uh, if you want to get a little frisky with it, you put some money on North Carolina. Right now, Clemson's at minus two fifty. North Carolina is at plus nine fifty. Just because you have to face someone in a CEC championship game, and it looks like Clemson is going to take care of their side of the of the a c C. I don't think anyone that the other side's just got awful. But if you're gonna kind of pick who that winner is gonna be, I would put my money on you. And see, I know their defenses is horrendous, but they I love their quarterback. I love what they're doing on offense. I think they face up against Clemson in the a c C Andrew game and maybe Clemson falls asleep, maybe Clemson kind of uh doesn't show up in DJU throws a couple of picks. I don't know, but yeah, they will be in it. So yes, it's it's it's it's a safe bet. Most likely it's gonna happen, especially the fact that they've already taken care of business first grad four is they've taken care of business. Verse n See State. Uh, Syracuse is is a good team this year. So you know we'll see and then I think they have to play as well. Um, most they got to play Florida State. But no, I like Clemson. But if you want to put some money on someone else in the end a CC, excuse me once again, throw it on North Carolina because most likely they're gonna be facing them in the championship game. Yeah, so I mean to look, I think you think, I think you kind of nailed it, right. Um, Drake May is awesome for North Carolina. Uh, an awesome guy, I've heard, Uh his defense not so awesome in fact, hot horrid garbage. Right, So, like I don't believe North Carolina is even the second or third or whatever best team in the a C. So then it's like you said, Okay, who has left on clips the schedule that still could that's clearly just Florida State and Syracuse. The problem is do you trust either of them to beat Clemson head to head? And then if you're Florida State you need to go undefeated. If your Syracuse, I guess you could eat one other loss along the way end now, so just just don't play the A C C. If you're looking for value whatever, don't play it. Clemson past their tests, They're going to win the A C C. Hey one one more point on North Carolina. I mean we all remembered last week Clemson verse Wake Fource end up being a complete shootout back and forth. Uh, you know, Clemson had no answers. I think a lot has to do once it with that slow mesh offense. But their dbs or the weakness of that football team. What's the strength of North Carolina? It's it's Drake May throwing the ball vertically down the field. So if you do get into some somewhat of a shootout versus clemson 's yet, I'm not thinking this gonna happen. But if you're like man, I want to put money on some sort of underdog that has a potential to hit big North Carolina to me, is that team because of their offense, because of their ability to score. You may see some sort of shootout in that championship game where maybe they find a way to pull it out. That's only if you're feeling a little bit frisky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just put a small amount and put a flyer. Just take a little flyer. Fill it dapple fila. That maybe pays. All right, let's move on in some more interesting conversations. Let's move on to maybe, not maybe the literal most up in the air conference, and that is the Big Twelve. Uh, nobody is at minus odds in this conference. In fact, you have Oakloma stated plus two seventy, Kansas State plus three fifty, Texas plus four forty, tc U plus four sixty, Baylor seven fifty, and Kansas nine fifty. I want to be clear, first and foremost, I'm throwing one of those little flyers they don't really care about losing on Kansas, just to honor land slide pulled in the rise of the Jayhawk, and just to show them some love before the big TCU game this weekend. However, when I look at this conference, um, well, first off, this I agree with Vegas. I think Oklahoma State is the favorite. Still a little unproven, still a little worried about the Western Michigan defensive performance, but Spencer Sanders is great. The offense looks like it's back. However, in a conference of the Big Twelve, which so much unknown, where so much could happen. I haven't seen enough from Oklahoma State to make me jump in at plus two seventy, So like this is a chaotic conference who you can maybe feel like, Okay, maybe I can make a little money here. And the one that jumps off the screen, do you at this point has to be TCU at four sixty. I mean, why is TCU worse odds than Texas to win this conference? Um, they haven't showed me the weakness of a Kansas State who dropped the game against two lane at home. Um. They may still be be a bit undervalued because where they had fallen over the past couple of years. They currently lead the conference in points per game at forty five per and their quarterbacks name senior quarterback having a fantastic year eleven touchdowns, no picks, ten point six yards per tempt Air Murray and and the name CASEO know it is Max Duggan. And in terms of senior All American quarterback names, Max Duggan sounds like a movie character. Okay, that's the quarterback that I want my money ride with. So I'm taking TCU plus four six. It's the perfect marriage of this team is good, and my god, there's some money to be had here. Yeah, if that's kind of my team too. You look at the TCU and I'm I was going through their schedule and and I'm with you, man, like this is a crap show of a conference put in a really good way. Because there's probably six seven teams that could end up winning the Big Twelve. It's gonna be a great year. If you're a Big Twelve fan. I said it last week, You're gonna have a great year. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Bigger issue is you're probably not gonna get a team inside the playoffs because everyone's just going to continue to beat themselves up. You look at their schedule. They get Oklahoma State and Kansas State at home to the favorites to win the Big Twelve. They have to go there, uh to two TCU They do go on the road at Kansas, at Texas and at Baylor. Uh. Possible slip ups there at some point for for TCU. But you know, the way Max Duggan's playing right now, the way they're playing on both sides of the football, I think they're great. Another team that I may throw a little bit on is Kansas State. Just Adrian Martinez right now in Deuce Vaughn are playing out of their mind. You can get them at plus three fifty at the moment. Uh. The one thing that does worry me a little bit about Kansas State is they are super one dimensional. I mentioned those two guys. They are running the crap out of the football. Deuce is a stud, Adrian is has come to life all of a sudden, since this is departure from Nebraska. But it's all the running game. And if there's a game where the running game is just not hitting, I think they're gonna be in a little bit of troubles. I don't trust them necessarily because of that. Where TC is a little bit more you know, two dimensional on offense, has a good defense, and like I said, they got those two big games at home. Verse, I would say those next two best teams in that conference. So TC, you go them horn Frogs at plus four sixty. Alright, so TC, we both like TC the big twelve real quick before we move on, Uh, Dylan Meadows says, Uh, asked Snaps, Okay, we're get it there, twenty six. Sorry. Del Meadow says, asked Snaps. Why isn't Hugh Freeze getting looked at for some of these jobs? I think it's the Urban Meyer problem. When you're talking about Hugh Freeze. I think it's just that if you're going to hire someone for seventy eight million, like whatever the going rate for coaches nowadays, Freeze probably commands up. But even like fifty million or something, right, it's gonna be one of the highest paid UH employees in your state if you're a public institution. They just both carry a lot of baggage. And let's just focus on Freeze. He just carries a lot of baggagement. Is he still a good football coach? Yeah? I think I think, you know, Liberty is good, Like I think he is still a good football coach. But is he so much better than any other candidates out there that you would accept all the questions, all the storylines. It's just it's just carries a bit too much baggage. Now, I'm with you, I you know, I think that it goes back to the level of desperation, like how desperate are you to to get a coach and kind of take that that that high risk, possible high reward. You know, I still think Urban Meyer you put him on a football team right now. I still think he's a top ten, top fifteen coach in America. But like you alluded to T Bob, you got all the baggage with it. So do you want to take the risk of being in trouble with the fans, with the boosters if things don't go well right away? Then the questions getting even bigger, like, hey, we brought him in, we give him all this money, we knew he had issues, and he's not winning. It just turns into a big old headache. So once again, how desperate are you? Are you willing to take someone to a backlash if things aren't perfect right away, knowing that that coach can possibly get them going in year two possibly uh and definitely in year three. But there's a lot of coach creates out there. Yeah, well, that's a great point, right, worst case scenario and those guys is even worse than if you just like like have like a Scott Frost that doesn't work out or something. All right, let's go to the Big ten next, looking at some championship futures. Here Ohio State minus odds, here Aaron Ohio State minus two fifty. Then Michigan plus five d which is a pretty big gap, and then you jump all the way to Penn State plus nine fifty. Aaron, what are you thinking about this man best bet on this Big Ten championship. Well, you know, everything tells you Ohio State. I mean they're the best team in the country. I think they're the best team in the country right now. I think you're what what what they're doing, especially being a little bit banged up Jackson Smith and Jigba really hasn't played a time I love the death on defense or have they been challenged by someone really good? Not not yet And that really won't come until they face Penn State on the road at the end of the month. And and right now, that's kind of who I'm thinking of. Like, you know, if if the game was in Michigan, then maybe I would consider Michigan, But I think the games in Ohio State there in Columbus, I think Ohio State it's a better football team. I don't trust Michigan in their offense. Uh. You know I talked about yesterday their running back may have a Heisman opportunity this year if if they do find a way to win that conference, because the fact they rely so heavily on him. They are a good running football team. But you know, if I wanted to get some more favorable odds and take a risk, I like Penn State. You know, they play Michigan this weekend, so that that that may be completely out the window. But if they do beat Michigan, Ohio State has to travel to Happy Valley for that football game here at the end of the month. They got a senior quarterback in Sean Clifford who's played a lot of football games. They're they're running the ball more effectively. The defense has been tremendous all year long. We know it's gonna be a wide out. It's gonna be crazy. Can they control Ohio State's offense is going to be the key. But I would take Penn State as a possible flyer because that scenario. But they gotta beat Michigan this week. And I think if they do beat Michigan this week, I think you're gonna to see a lot more money coming for the Nitney Lions as a possible winner inside that conference, because once they get past Ohio State, the schedule's complete. Cupcake. You just gotta beat Ohio State at home next week. Or not next week at the end of the month. Yeah, so okay, So a couple of things here, like, yes, that plus nine fifty next to a Penn State team that's been very solid this year. I think that feels very sexy. However, I just can't get myself there with Penn State, and I think that Michigan game. Crack me if I'm wrong, Brom. I think it's next weekend. It's both their next games. I think they may be unbuys this weekend. I don't remember seeing that in the rundown. But we're gonna learn soon. The point is to both times, like the next time Michigan State. Yeah, so the next time that they hit the field, we're gonna learn the answer going into that game, I just look man to me, I think Michigan's a slightly more complete team than Penn State. And I think I like J. J. McCarthy maybe better than Seawan Clifford. I I and that's not to say that Sewn Clifford's great, And it's really why High State it's just a choice in the end, is that C. J. Stroud, Like the gap between Stroud and Clifford and McCarthy is so extensive that's why. But I think like going from minus to fifty two plus five hundred, right that odds change right there. That's I don't know if I think that Ohio State is that much better than Michigan, and especially if McCarthy's stats right now are not. Um, we we're gonna learn. We're gonna learn. Especially McCarthy stats right now are not are not somewhat inflated like that, The numbers aren't bad. It's a bit of fools gold. But no. In the end, if if I was doing a bet here, I would go in Michigan and plus five hundred and again knowing that of course how State is the better team. But I don't. I don't believe you. I don't believe in Clifford and Penn State. Bro. I mean, why, what what what what Sean Clifford? Clifford, what has he done to make you believe in they say at least they're they're they're they're not one dimentional on offense. Like if you show up to a game on the road, I don't care what conference you are, and all you can do is run the football. That's all Michigan can do right now. J. J. McCarthy cannot complete passes consistently down the field. It's all dink and dunk and it's all relying corms to run the football. On the road, you will you will get dominated. And I look at Penn State and I think they have more weapons, and I think they have a quarterback that's a lot more capable than J. J. McCarthy. So that gives me confidence that, Hey, you have to travel for Ohio State. You gotta go on the road. And I think a team that's more complete on both sides of the football in Penn State. And that's why I kind of think Penn State has an opportunity. You do think you think that you think that Penn State. Okay, so you do think that Penn State that is just a better team than Michigan, even before you get quarterbacks. I'm not sold on Michigan's offense. And I think their defense is good, but I think their defense took a step back from last year. You turn on the tape for Michigan and I just said it like they can't. There's no explosion in the past game and and and good defenses are going to gobble that up because when you match athlete for athletes. Yeah, Michigan take advantage of it. When they're bigger upfront, when they're faster than running back position, like they're gonna they're gonna win those games that we've seen this year, both aside and when you face a defense that has a strong front seven, which which Penn State does. Let's go back to Penn State first Auburn and how much they dominated that game on the road and slowed down that running attack for Auburn. That's what they're gonna be able to do first, Michigan. That's what they're gonna be able to do first Michigan. If Michigan can't throw the football, Penn State may stick out of there with a win here and in a week and a half. Okay, Okay, to your point, you look at the Big ten standards right now, and if you filter against only FBS opponents, right so, no cupcakes allowed. Penn State second in the SEC, giving up just seventy nine rush yards a game, only two point nine yards per carry. Now, Michigan, they can win the road. They had a big win at Auburn on the road. I know it's not great, but still they went on the road one and then they found a way to win Verse PERDW on the road as well. So I mean that's a lot of good signs for me right now that this team is not afraid to go into Michigan next week and see if they can pull on another one. I asseriously, look, I think that Michigan has a more complete defense. I think the Penn State's weakness actually is in their secondary through the air. But again, can Michigan take advantage? I'll still go Michigan here. I'm going Michigan five. You're going Pin State and correct, yes, final answer. There you go place the Betch boys, place the Bets places all right after the show. Um, okay, let's move over to the Pack twelve where again a conference like the Big twelve here aaron where there's no no minus odes. Okay, you got USC and Utah both a top the pile at plus two ten. Okay, Okay, you got Oregon plus three hundred and then you got u c l A plus seven hundred. Amerry, what are you thinking here? Uh? This is this is kind of like the Big Tent for me, Like I think USC is the better football team between Utah and Oregon. So if I had put my money on one of those three. I like USC if I want to get a little bit risky here. I like what I've seen from U c l A this year. I think that when first Washington really opened up a lot of people's eyes. Dorrian Thompson Robinson, who's played a lot of football, has been absolutely tremendous this season. Zac Cabernet, Carbernet, Cabernet whatever, like charbonnet, Zack Cabernet, Like just you know what's on my mind? The tailgates on my mind. I'm thinking about something to drink. He's look you, a full bodied back. Let's be clear, he's a full body back. Um, a little dry. I don't know if that's due to the air. Maybe he's just in such great shape he doesn't sweat that much. But but delicious to watch. Nonetheless, fine, he's extremely delicious. And their defense is is more depth and more physical and and you know, our interview coming up shortly with coach new Haisley kind of breaks down his thoughts on U c l A. And I like a man, you know, it's it's it's a conference similar to the Big Twelve. Like you know right now, there's four or five teams there that I would not be surprised if they want it at the end of the day, Like you, you alluded to three of them and I just brought the fourth. Like any one of those four teams right now could win the pack twelve. So if you want to take a flyer on someone and want a little bit better odds, I do like U c l A. So I need to put my one in either one of the L A schools. I think USC is the best school in the conference, and I do think you U c l A has a lot of potential. They're a complete football team. You know, we talked about USC, like how good are they on defense? And they've impresses a lot, especially with the turnover. I think you U c l A potentially could have the more complete team on both sides of the football. Oh Clym Moses and the go Beavers in the chat Hell yeah, man, Look, I'd rather be wrong swinging for the fences if two teams look kind of as even as they do with UCS or USC and U c l A. Right now. So yeah, U c l A has to play here. Uh maybe we can talk a back around Alabama. But I kind of lost track of time here because I love talking to you so much, Aaron. Uh you know who else I love talking to the coolest guy in the college football world. That's coach Rick new Heisl And we sit down just a few minutes ago. Here is the legend Rick newhis what up, boys and girls? That's your boy, t Bob Heber, host of Snaps Volume sports YouTube channel, And uh hey, guys, another NFL football week is here, and let's kick it off the right way this Thursday with fan Duel, America's number one sports book and chicken stuff. I don't care if you're new to FanDuel or if you already have an account. Every Thursday night, that's right, every Thursday night, you'll get free bet back if your NFL Same game parlay does not hit. This Thursday. We got Colts at Broncos, y'all, and I've cooked up a juicy one here plus seventeen hundred. Okay, first, we're going Colts money line. I do not believe in the Broncos. Secondly, Jonathan Taylor out Philip Lindsay in Philip Lindsay touchdown score going nice and easy minus odds leg here with Russell Wilson over at least two hundred yards and then the coup de Melvin Gordon confidence and an all time low reduced to tears since Sunday's post game, however, Nathaniel Hackett had his back it. 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The next that is coach Rick New coach, thank you so much for joining us here on snaps today. Very excited to talk to you man. How you doing well? It is great to be with you. Uh. You know, when Aaron Murray asked, it's just hard to say no the celebrity, and uh, you just want to stay on Aaron's good side. So I'm pleased to be with the fellas. Uh. Renaissance is proudly a little bit overblown, a little bit overblown. I'm I'm I'm kind of a jack of all trades, master of none, is what I am. I mean, look at that add humility to the list. Okay, the renaissance man undefeated. Okay, coach, I want to start here because I feel like and by the way, you're gonna be on the call on on CBS for Auburn and Georgia on Saturday. So we'll get there. But I gotta start in Los Angeles right now. Right Obviously, you have a ton of experience with West Coast football and it's it's been a bit of a renaissance out west this year for both U c. L A and USC Looking very solid right now. Right now, who is the best college football team in Los Angeles? Well, I'm always gonna lean towards the Bruins just because I my wife is the mother of a coach there at U c l A. So I want to sleep in the same bed. I gotta stay with the Bruins on this deal. So you know where your bread is buttered, right. But you see, it was very iggressive in that win over Washington, very impressive. Uh. They held the Huskies to sixty five yards rushing in that game. And I think as Chip Kelly has tried to get his foot hold in Los Angeles and tried to build that program, they've always been able to kind of handle the offensive side. Defensively is where they've not maybe had the right level of depth. But this year thus far, they're hanging in there. And we'll know a lot more after this weekend when they play Utah, because Utah is going to try to run the ball. Uh. The Trojans have been what we expected. You know, Lincoln Riley brought his quarterback along, so we kind of expected that they'd be high flying. What they're also enjoying this year with Alex Scrinch is a lot of turnovers they are. They're they're up there in the top of the charts with the turnover margin. Uh and that's obviously terrific. And and they've turned a lot of those turnovers into points. Defense I think's accounted for at least three or four touchdowns already. So we've talked. I think we talked last year, Rick about I think you've somewhat good relationship with with coach Kelly there at u c l A and kind of giving him some pointers about what needs to be done or what can be done out of place like U c l A. We've all seen it. We've turned on our televisions, are seen the highlights and there's barely anyone there. Stands. Don't look at the stands. It's what do they need to do? I mean, it's an amazing state of the Listen. So Tea, I'll give a quick story. So I coach was the coach at u c l A. When I was getting recruited. We flew out my dad, I flew out to Los Angeles. He picked us up and were we drove for the Rose Bowl. He brought us to Midfield. It's it's coach new Hail, it's myself. It's my dad, and he's a salesman. He's one of the best out there. And I look, my dad said, you, you can't get better than this, Like what is better than being in the Rose Bowl where my papers let me go sign right now? Obviously didn't work out, but it is an incredible place. Like what what what needs to happen to get fans to get their freaking butts in the stands to watch those games. It's unly Unfortunately, um, the entire Pack twelve has been impacted by the college football playoffs. Only twice in the last eight years has a Pack twelve team advanced to the playoff made it to the final four, and only once did they get to the final game, and that was in year one when Oregon and Marcus Mariotto were going full full blast. All of the programs have seen a little bit of dissipation in the enthusiasm for the programs, given that college football has been happening far far away, you know, whether it be Alabama, whether it's Georgia, whether it's Ohio State, those are where the powers are, and the enthusiasm has wane, and the recruits who grew up in that area in California have come to where the enthusiasm is as well. Brock Bowers for your Georgia Bulldogs, the you know, the best tight end in the game, the next uh, you know, big time guy to come out of college to go. He's the Travis Kelsey of of college football. Right. He's a NAPA kid, Napa California and he's out there. Kendall Milton is from Fresno, California. Uh. You had last year the quarterback you know, uh from California, youngs at California kid. So with all those guys leaving for the greener past years, we've got to win back the fans. It's been a good year thus far for the Pack twelve u c l A n SC still undefeated. You've got obviously a Utah team that's very highly regarded. They lost the opening game at Florida, but they're being forgiven. Oregon is recalibrated after that big time loss to Uh George. Uh. It's still gonna be fun football, but we've got to get more spots in the playoff, which has been accomplished now. So I'm hopeful for a pendulum swing back towards the enthusiasm for the West Coast. But now The problem is who's going to be in the Pac twelve US and are going to the Big ten. You've got four teams that I think are you know on Speeddale right now with Kevin Warren in terms of Stanford, pal Washington and Oregon. They've got four other teams that are on speed dial with the Big twelve. Brett your mark has got them on the line the to Arizona, School's, Colorado and Utah. Uh. It's a hard job right now for George clay Off Cuff. Yeah, yeah, you go ahead. Yeah, I want to say I'm just the stadium thing one more time, or just real quick with a follow up, would you stay in the Rose Bowl? Does you say they need to reevaluate maybe getting something smaller on campus. I know there's been some talks about that. What are your thoughts? Aaron I literally asked if I if if I can't get you to build the stadium, can I at least have a tractor that I could drive out into our track stadium and just point to it and say that's where we're going to build it. For recruiting, There's no question they need to have a smaller venue. There's no question. And Aaron you were on the campus. U c l A is the most beautiful campus in all the land. And if you stand up on top of jan steps and you look to the west, you feel every day a breeze. That's your air conditioner. It's called the Pacific Ocean. You stand there and you're going, what could be better than this? And it nothing could be better than this? And right there is Drake Stadium, a football stadium just waiting to happen. It actually has retro fitted to be a football stadium. You just have to put the pylons in the ground and you can build a fifty seat stadium. They just haven't done it. And I know there are other issues and thinking about putting another dorm in there. And you know, the people that make the big decisions about the economy of u c l A are much smarter than I. But I can promise you, as the head coach there, had we had that stadium, I would not be on this call right now discussing doing the Auburn Georgia game. I would be talking about getting ready to take care of Utah this week. Uh do you think I mean as they go? Do you think the move to the Big ten makes sense? I mean financially, maybe helps push that stadium. Yeah, financially office tenda letter and the regents of California concerned and all that stuff about the travel for the kids and all that, and that's absolutely a reasonable subject to discuss. But for the money that's kind of becoming in the coffers. Given an athletic budget right now, that's a hundred million dollars in the red. You couldn't say no. I could not say no. All right, Well, then let's talk a little Auburn George to coach, because that's the game you're gonna be calling this weekend. And Auburn impressive and anyways kind of a punched up a bit last week versus what was expected of them, Georgia the polar opposite, uh and getting ready for this game. I know you've watched a lot of Georgia. What what what? What do you seeing with this Bulldog team that has maybe made them look a bit more mortal over the last couple of weeks. Listen, it's college athletics, and who can imagine doing anything more fun? But they look bored. I mean, they didn't have after they clearly were at their best when they played the opening game against Oregon that was an absolute showcase event right there in Atlanta. Are we gonna be, uh, you know, just a rebuild or are we gonna be a reload? Well they answered that in emphatic fashion. They were outstanding in every phase of the game. And then they played nobody, you know that they just didn't have a aim that it, you know, put anything on the Richter scale. And Kent State they showed signs, you know, being bored. However, many with three turnovers in the first half. And then Missouri there, what are they a thirty point favorite in that one? And they go and they had two turnovers in the first half in that game, so they look a little bit lethargic. The other thing I would say, uh, is that Kirby Smart is a defensive minded coach and he knows what his defense needs to be at the best. And part of what the all defenses need to be at their best is an offense that understands what the defense needs, which means field position, no turnovers, being able to run the ball and run the clock, time of possession. All those things help defense to get to the next level. As an offensive program, they've now kind of blossomed just a couple of weeks ago they were in the top five in passing statistics, averaging over three fifty yards a game. We had all said, when's Kirby gonna come into the next century. Nick Saban did his sense a right. He woke up and smelled the coffee and said, you've got to have all these flamboyant receivers and throw it all over the art and score forty every time, and do it, you know, in grand style. So the DeVante Smith's of the world, the Jerry Duties of the world, always Jalen Waddles all come to your school. Kirby was more in the old style of Saban. He was more, No, we're gonna go You can have an Amari Cooper, you can have you know, that Calvin Ridley guy. But we're gonna pound the ball and we're gonna go three, and if we get third and long, we're gonna hand it off and then we'll punt and we'll get it back for you and then you take another first or second down shot down the field. For those guys who have been you know, the big one one receiver type programs, now they're flamboyant. You saw that stetson Bennett. They trust him, he's experienced, he's good, and so they let him throw oh a lot. But I just think I heard when I heard Kirby talk about the win in Missouri, they made us one dimensional. They were making us one dimensional in the first half. Fortunately we woke up in time. And to me, he was talking to his staff, he was talking to his staff that was trying to have a lot of fun, trying to throw it to everybody on his on the team, get everybody involved. And all of a sudden, he's saying, we're going back to pounding this rock, having play action, playing with steps and Bennett through twenty four passes in the first half of the Missouri game. He threw twenty four passes only four times all game in a game last year four to four games last year threw more than twenty four. This is a program that wants to pound you, beat you into submission with their defense, and I think they're gonna get closer to that recipe after these last couple of weeks. Flipping over to the other team all burn and and this kind of is someone of the big picture item too, right, which is crazy crazy, But this this whole coaching thing. I mean Horson's second year, I mean essentially he's he's a dead man walking. I think we all kind of feel that. But like this, this whole world we live in now where coaches are getting Canada for a couple of years, coach are getting fired after you know, week four of a football season. Is this good bad for the game, and especially for a place like Auburn that just seems to be trying to get to that Alabama step and they're willing to get rid of a coach at any any moment. Essentially, good, bad or indifferent. That doesn't matter. It's the reality because people want it, and they want it now. The five jobs that are sitting open right now are a issue. Colorado, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Georgia Tech. In the early nineties, Colorado and Georgia Tech won a national championship. They split it, uh Nebraska won multiple national championships, Wisconsin has spent a multiple Rose Bowls, and Barry Alva has made them in national power. In Arizona State, Jake Plummer had them on the verge of a national championship. In tell Ohio State came down the field and scored on him at the waning moments of a Rose Bowl. I mean, they're all big time programs and they're tired of being also rans, so you're going to have change over. The money's got an exorbitant Paul Chris just got eleven million dollars to walk out the door so that you don't have to cry crocodile tears for the coach. He's gonna be okay. But is it the right way to go about things. I'm not sure. Uh, that's up to the athletic directors and these search firms to determine who's the right coach. I don't think it's as complicated as people make it out to be. And uh, the fact that, uh we're sitting here with Brian Harson now in this role of in purgatory, right the a D that hired a Alan Green is already gone. He's kind of sitting there. I think it's an US against the world mentality. Now they played every game at home, thus this is the first time on the road. I actually think it's gonna be advantage for them because I was against them. You're not gonna feel that as much as you're gonna feel it when you walk in to Sanford stadium there in Athens, Okay, coach the last one from me, and I just love getting your perspective on all of this. Man. Uh, purgatory is a perfect way to describe Brian Harson's current situation. But uh, somebody who has rocketed up from hell would be hype Josh Hypele and Tennessee. I'm sorry. I have a bad habit of saying his last name, Like I don't know why I started, and I just went, I don't know, dude, It's it's like a take at this point, like I started doing it for fun and now it just happens. But anyway, the point is, how impressive is it from a coaching perspective, the turnaround that he's affected at a place that suddenly, somehow became a place where it felt like like like it felt like Auburn. It was toxic, like coaches were passing it up. There was no a d It was so toxic for a minute there and now all of a sudden they're back to national prominence. You know, his interesting career. He's the glamour boy quarterback, National championship quarterback at Oklahoma. He goes off to try to play a little professional football that doesn't work out, so Bob Stoops has him back on the staff. He climbs all the way up to offensive coordinator there at Oklahoma and then they kind of have an off year and Stoops is looking around the Big twelve and says, I need this Lincoln Riley kid who went with Garrett or Ruffin McNeil, my old coach at East Carolina. I'm gonna bring this kid back. He's the Mike Leach. I gotta update my offense. Remember Mike Leach was Bob stoops first coordinator when he went to oaklafod. Yeah, so he goes, I'm gonna go to the air raid again and Hypel's out. He ends up having to get a job at Utah State and then he gets a job with Barry Odom at Missouri with Drew Lock. And Drew Lock was a really good player. But what they did in this world of r P O they built really wide receivers. This is an old art Briles deal. Take your receivers and get them as far to the sideline as you can, two to one side, one to the other. If you're an eleven personnel, and count the numbers six in the Poky run seven in the box. I picked which side I go to concept, and I don't even have to tell everybody that I've changed my mind. The offensive line can block the run and I can throw. The wide receivers aren't blocking for a run, they're running routes and Drew Lock pick your poison, and all of a sudden it was magic. It goes to U c F. It's magic. And now he lands at Tennessee and he's luckier than heck that his previous coach, Jeremy Pruett went and got handon Hooker because he went and got Joe Milton. He went and thought Joe Milton was the answer and started. Milton, Milton struggled. Hannon Hooker comes off the bench, and it has been a miracles since. What is he thirty one in three touchdowns to interceptions last year and the numbers dropped the charts. He had four hundred plus yards total offense against Florida their arch arrival. Right, so this has been kind of a magical deal. Not only that, but his boss, Danny White, got the Tennessee Athletic director job, then spent fifty dollars on a search firm to find a guy who was four yard four doors down in the athletic department, Hypel to come with it. I mean, it's an incredible deal. But they're rolling and and what's really important is there also playing good run defense. They're they're a little bit suspect in the back end, but two banks. The guy he got from Penn State has done a nice job of showing up run stopping defense and that will be key as they go down to l s U. I think this is really a good game this weekend. I'm gonna pick LSU because I trust Brian Kelly. Yeah, but I think this Tennessee story is a terrific one. There you go, the man in with a slam dunk, the most interesting man in college football. Coach Rick newhausel you can catch him, uh three thirties or two thirties Central at Georgia Auburn called this weekend. Coach new Heisel cannot thank you, thank you so much for coming on. You tell your dad. I said, hello, T Bob actually cagn that it will understand because I couldn't understand word. He said, hell, yeah, yo, what's going on? Yo? Welcome back to from Snaps. Back two snaps from Snaps, Time travels weird. Uh t bup here. Hope you enjoyed Coach Rick new heisl He's the man. I mean, he is the absolute man, and it's always a pleasure to sit down. The great jobs setting that up. QB one Aaron Murray. Right now it is time to count down the five best rivalries in all of college football. I have my list. It's five to one, uh brom. We probably shouldn't talked about this during the interview. Do you want us to go on uninterrupted kind of rant five to one, doing a bouncing back and forth. How do you want to do this? You? Five to one? Aaron? Five to one? So you go, okay, well, let's where's yours team? I need, like some NFL films, do start the bells because number five on the list, I have what is now called the Red River Showdown. First off, major major knock on this game for selling the name to literal corporate sponsorship. Okay, that's really hurt in the rival That's probably why it's at five. Uh it used to be the shootout, then it was a rivalry. Now it's the Showdown because a T and T pay for it. Should have just kept it the shoot out. Whatever. Um I don't love their team in this game, but there's no denying that they are massive brands. I will say a big positive for the Red River Showdown is that they played for a golden Cowboy hat. Objectively, that's a very stupid but very fun trophy. And then probably the best part is that the Texas Day Fair. I love stay Fairs like I love I love County Fairs like I think fairs are. That is America boiled down to his purest essence. And then you throw a game like this in where the crowd's gonna be fifty fifty to say that loves football like Texas Red Rivers Showdown Number five on my list, number four on my list, I'm going with the egg Bowl. That's right. Probably the from the worst name in the Red River Showdown to the best name in the egg Bowl, first played in nineteen oh one, been awarding the Golden egg another stupid but wonderful trophy. But in order the Golden Eggs, it's nineteen twenty seven, and how about this uninterrupted these two not for World War two, not for viet non, the Korean War, nothing, these two schools have have met every single year since nineteen o miss currently LEAs six and four forty five. And you gotta think about this with the egg Ball as well, Aaron, it gets the holiday bump, right. It's during things giving now days, and it has been for our lives. And like, who doesn't have fond memories of watching the egg Bowl with a belly full of turkey? Like it's it's the absolute past, dude. That's number four on my list, number three on my top five rivalry list. I got uh the iron Ball eighties six meetings Bama Auburn, Bama leads thirty seven and each and even in this age of like Bama dominance, right, it still remains a series. I mean, Bama's only two years removed from losing Auburn. And this is not like Obama Tennessee or like you'll notice a very conspicuous absence of Michigan, Ohio State Uh well saw eat not only do they have and have a tight name like Red River egg Bowl, Iron Bowl the game no, well not but but also States won fourteen the last fifteen. Okay, I cannot grant that rivalry status on the day in which we make this list, So give me the Iron Bowl at number three. The backstory of the Iron Bowl is actually kind of insane. It's like a lot of political machinations. Uh. In a post Civil War America during reconstruction, basically Alabama was an existential threat there to Auburn for a while and then they start fighting it out on the football field. It's fantastic. It's the number three best rivalry on this list. Number two. Another one that to me really benefits from the holiday bump as well as classic Americana and tradition, and that is Army Navy. Okay, always marks the end of the year, so you could Christmas fives in the air um literal sitting you s presidents show up to this game one other games? Can you say that about? Right? It get it gets it gets the the literal leader of the free world to show up in a seat for the game. How about this? They're in A little fun fact. Instant replay made its US debut in nineteen three in an Army Naving game. Huh, A little fun fact there. And you know what else I love. I love ancient history. And these two teams met for the first time in eight ten, and they played a hundred and twenty two times since. And in that hud Navy barely with the edge sixty two to fifty three, and then seven ties, and then finally, the number one rivalry in college football is well, it's it's it's the one with the best name. It's the rivalry straight up called the game Harvard verse Al. I mean, that's up there with the answer as far as nicknames go. It's literal really just called the game. They've met one hundred and thirty seven times, nearly a hundred fifty years of football. They first met in eighteen seventy five, that's thirty years before plastic was admitted, and they were playing football against one another. Are you kid me? And even though they played a hundred thirty seven times, the rivalry stands with Yale leading sixty eight to sixty one. I mean, let's go, dude. It's the only time you watch harvarder Yale all year. I get it. But that's the sign of a great rivalry is that you do tune in for Army Navy when you don't regularly, you do turn in to the Egg Bowl no matter who you are, if you don't care about college football, to me who you are, just because when it is what it is, and you tune in for the game there it is top five rivalries in college football. I would love to take a poll right now, promptly of of how many people actually watch that the game, because I have never watched the game in my life, and I love constall. Only T Bob, the nerd of all nerds, would pick Harvard Virgil as the top rivalry out there, not even I don't think there's a list out there that has that game. So please put a pull up. I guarantee you eighty percent of people in the chat have never seen it, and maybe the rest of them have seen it once or twice. So uh, t Bob, you're wild for that number one? All right? My number five in this and you're gonna make fun of my number one, so I get my number five is Army Navy, man, Like, if you can't respect that game, get the hell out of here, man. That is such an awesome game. A lot of time. The Commanders in Chief Trophy is up for grabs as well, which means even more. It is just so special last weekend the season, it gets his own Saturday. That's how important that game is. Love it comes at number five. Uh, my number three is Texas versus Oklahoma. The red River shootout, showdown, rivalry, whatever you wanna call it. Uh, it's just an awesome game. I love the New tru site games I was a part of. One is that it is extremely special. UH. My number three Michigan verse Ohio State. Uh. Two of the premier teams brand wise and all of college football face off every single year. End of the season always means a lot. Usually the winner of that game goes onto the Big Ten Championships. So that game is awesome to see. My number two games Alabama verse Alburn no pro sports in that state. Those fans hate each other and it's just so much fun to see the energy, the hatred, the the the one to win it. I know Alabama has been more dominant than than Auburn as of late, but you know, something always crazy is gonna happen, especially when the game is in Auburn. That's a fun one. And then my number one, because I love it. I grew up watching it being a guy in Florida. Then I flipped and went to the dark side. I'm a dog through and through Georgia verse Florida, and it is pronounce or said Georgia verse Florida in Jacksonville the world's largest cocktail party. Uh, it is amazing. And it's someone who's been a part of it, who has played in it, who has been there as a fan. There's very few places that have that kind of energy. Fifty fifty split the ugly orange and blue on one side, the beautiful red and black on the other. Mind, number one down there in Jacksonville, Go dogs, unbelievable, world's largest cock party. Indeed, m let's just let's just real quick. See how many times just games and played his froms getting mad at me because I know that we need to get out of here. Um let's see how many times. Okay, okay, you's got a hundred meetings. It's pretty respectable. That's better. That's better than I thought of it. I thought it might be a bit more recent than that. So uh, big surprise, big surprise. And by the way, everybody, we check the pill you check the poll. No, have we watched our video it? No? Yes, I think that tells you what we think of of T Bob's Nerdbowl whatever. Man. The game, it's literally called the game, and it's the rivalry. It was first played two years after football was invented. Come on, dude, do Do Do Do Do Do Do. Okay, that'll do it. For another nition to staffs, we love you so much. Promo coach snaps. If you signed up a vandual sports book gap like you, subscribe to YouTube and please sub to the pod share with the friends, would continue to grow this thing. We love y'all and we will see you tomorrow here on the volleys towards YouTube Chan