Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia.

Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia.

Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James Morrow, sitting in for Peter Kredlin. Tonight coming up on the program, Well, the latest inflation data is in. But will the RBA give us a rate cut or have they seen through treasurer Jim Chalmers's attempt to trick them with your money? Plus immigration becomes the big issue around the world. What can Australia learn from the mistakes being made overseas and can multiculturalism even still work? I'm going to be joined here by a leading expert to explain what's next. Plus the Greeves want in on the election debate stage and guess what they want the ABC the host? Can you imagine anything more tedious?

Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James Morrow, sitting in for Peter Kredlin. Tonight coming up on the program, Well, the latest inflation data is in. But will the RBA give us a rate cut or have they seen through treasurer Jim Chalmers's attempt to trick them with your money? Plus immigration becomes the big issue around the world. What can Australia learn from the mistakes being made overseas and can multiculturalism even still work? I'm going to be joined here by a leading expert to explain what's next. Plus the Greeves want in on the election debate stage and guess what they want the ABC the host? Can you imagine anything more tedious?

Who boy?

Who boy?

But first a hearty in Ungwak, Yes in Unguak, because that's how they say good evening in Greenland to everyone out there in TV Land. Now again, there's a lot to cover tonight, but I reckon the biggest and yeah, possibly even most fun story right now is Donald Trump's suggestion that one of his first acts in office might be to arrange for the United States to one way or another take over or merge with or somehow incorporate Greenland or as it may.

But first a hearty in Ungwak, Yes in Unguak, because that's how they say good evening in Greenland to everyone out there in TV Land. Now again, there's a lot to cover tonight, but I reckon the biggest and yeah, possibly even most fun story right now is Donald Trump's suggestion that one of his first acts in office might be to arrange for the United States to one way or another take over or merge with or somehow incorporate Greenland or as it may.

Be soon known, mar Igloo.

Be soon known, mar Igloo.

Oh yeah, and also he wants to take back the Panama Canal, which was idiotically seeded by the late President Jimmy Carter. Now I'm going to play a little bit of Trump being asked about his plans at mar A Lago earlier, and then well, I think let's have a chat about what is really going on with all of this. Can you assure the world, as you try to get control of these areas you are.

Oh yeah, and also he wants to take back the Panama Canal, which was idiotically seeded by the late President Jimmy Carter. Now I'm going to play a little bit of Trump being asked about his plans at mar A Lago earlier, and then well, I think let's have a chat about what is really going on with all of this. Can you assure the world, as you try to get control of these areas you are.

Not going to use military or economic coercion? No, Can you tell us a little bit about what your plan is.

Not going to use military or economic coercion? No, Can you tell us a little bit about what your plan is.

Are you going to negotiate a new treaty?

Are you going to negotiate a new treaty?

Are you going to ask the Canadians to hold the vote? What is the strategy?

Are you going to ask the Canadians to hold the vote? What is the strategy?

And I can't assure you. You're talking about Panama and Greenland. Now, I can't assure you on either of those two, but I can say this, we need them for economic security. The Panama Canal was built for our military.

And I can't assure you. You're talking about Panama and Greenland. Now, I can't assure you on either of those two, but I can say this, we need them for economic security. The Panama Canal was built for our military.

I'm not going to commit to that.

I'm not going to commit to that.

Well, as you can imagine, the very idea of all this has given everybody suffering from Trump derangement syndrome, a massive case of the vapors. Why just look at the terror in the eyes of this CNN correspondent who was trying to process the idea of an expansionist America.

Well, as you can imagine, the very idea of all this has given everybody suffering from Trump derangement syndrome, a massive case of the vapors. Why just look at the terror in the eyes of this CNN correspondent who was trying to process the idea of an expansionist America.

Some new information about what he intends to do, or at the very least is not ruling out when he takes office, including not ruling out a military invasion to conquer Greenland, the Panama Canal, and perhaps the annexation of the country of Canada.

Some new information about what he intends to do, or at the very least is not ruling out when he takes office, including not ruling out a military invasion to conquer Greenland, the Panama Canal, and perhaps the annexation of the country of Canada.

A military invasion of Greenland of Canada, Oh my god. And of course the Washington Post got all huffy with the headline in some Trump just left open using military force against.

A military invasion of Greenland of Canada, Oh my god. And of course the Washington Post got all huffy with the headline in some Trump just left open using military force against.

A NATO ally.

A NATO ally.

Ah.

Ah.

Yes, anyway, pretty soon you know who knows, Americans will soon be singing, how are you going to keep them down on the farm after they've seen none of voot? And you can understand why so many on the left are losing their mind and rising to this very calculated bit of bait dropped by Donald Trump here, because this proposal is really a Trump troll trifecta.

Yes, anyway, pretty soon you know who knows, Americans will soon be singing, how are you going to keep them down on the farm after they've seen none of voot? And you can understand why so many on the left are losing their mind and rising to this very calculated bit of bait dropped by Donald Trump here, because this proposal is really a Trump troll trifecta.

I mean, think about it.

I mean, think about it.

The idea of taking over Greenland or whatever it combines the possibility of non Democrat led military action so dust off those old peace songs. Everybody with the assertion of American sovereignty got her bid. And the fact that not only are there very good reasons to consider doing some sorts of deals to tie up with Greenland or retake the Panama Canal, but there's also very good precedent for this sort of thing as well. Not that the left likes for anybody else to know history, now do they. Let's walk this through backwards.

The idea of taking over Greenland or whatever it combines the possibility of non Democrat led military action so dust off those old peace songs. Everybody with the assertion of American sovereignty got her bid. And the fact that not only are there very good reasons to consider doing some sorts of deals to tie up with Greenland or retake the Panama Canal, but there's also very good precedent for this sort of thing as well. Not that the left likes for anybody else to know history, now do they. Let's walk this through backwards.

Shall we now?

Shall we now?

First of all, and I actually don't think any of this is going to happen, for reasons I'll get to in a moment. But it is utterly ignorant of Trump's reflexive foes, all those TDS sufferers out there in the media and on the socials, to think that there is no precedent for the US buying its way into bigness. Remember at a swoop, the US doubled in size in eighteen oh three when it bought Louisiana and a lot more else besides off of the First French Republic. It bought Alaska off the Csars the Russian Czars in eighteen sixty seven for a pittance, and it bought the Virgin Islands off of Denmark, which also currently owns Greenland, by the way, in nineteen seventeen, and in fact, Harry S. Truman even thought about buying Greenland back when he was president, so you know, this is not a new idea.

First of all, and I actually don't think any of this is going to happen, for reasons I'll get to in a moment. But it is utterly ignorant of Trump's reflexive foes, all those TDS sufferers out there in the media and on the socials, to think that there is no precedent for the US buying its way into bigness. Remember at a swoop, the US doubled in size in eighteen oh three when it bought Louisiana and a lot more else besides off of the First French Republic. It bought Alaska off the Csars the Russian Czars in eighteen sixty seven for a pittance, and it bought the Virgin Islands off of Denmark, which also currently owns Greenland, by the way, in nineteen seventeen, and in fact, Harry S. Truman even thought about buying Greenland back when he was president, so you know, this is not a new idea.

Now.

Now.

Secondly, though, let's go through this because as a thought ex experiment, there's a really good case to be made for Greenland for the United States annexing or absorbing, or somehow bringing into its orbit more closely, that island nation. Now, although largely deserted, it is thought to be rich in ore as well as rare earth minerals, which are of course the commodities, the real commodities needed to make the twenty first century hum. And you know China and Russia and others are all circling around anyway. Plus, look at the map on his screen. Control of Greenland would be a strategic block against Russia, and as northern sea lanes open, create trade opportunities as well. Now, finally, the prospect of military action against Greenland, I seriously doubt it will come to that. But Trump's strategy, of course is to dangle these things out there, take the temperature, leave everybody guessing, and then get things done. While his foes are distracted. Now not all of his foes are distracted. And one Democrat who is live to all of this is none other than Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman.

Secondly, though, let's go through this because as a thought ex experiment, there's a really good case to be made for Greenland for the United States annexing or absorbing, or somehow bringing into its orbit more closely, that island nation. Now, although largely deserted, it is thought to be rich in ore as well as rare earth minerals, which are of course the commodities, the real commodities needed to make the twenty first century hum. And you know China and Russia and others are all circling around anyway. Plus, look at the map on his screen. Control of Greenland would be a strategic block against Russia, and as northern sea lanes open, create trade opportunities as well. Now, finally, the prospect of military action against Greenland, I seriously doubt it will come to that. But Trump's strategy, of course is to dangle these things out there, take the temperature, leave everybody guessing, and then get things done. While his foes are distracted. Now not all of his foes are distracted. And one Democrat who is live to all of this is none other than Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman.

There's a lot to.

There's a lot to.

Talk about Greenland, for example, now, and I know a lot of there's a lot of freakouts, you know, and of course I would never support taking it by force, but I do think it's I do think it's a responsible conversation if they were open to acquiring it, and you know, whether they just buying it out right, I mean, if anyone think that's bonkers, it's like, well, well remember the Louisiana purchase. I think Alaska is pretty pretty a great deal too, fifty million dollars, I think it was. It was recorded, it was it was referred to as Seward's folly, and now that was Alaska. Now, but he hasn't even take office in two weeks, and you know, we really need to pace ourselves if we're going to freak out over every last tweet or every last conversation or press conference.

Talk about Greenland, for example, now, and I know a lot of there's a lot of freakouts, you know, and of course I would never support taking it by force, but I do think it's I do think it's a responsible conversation if they were open to acquiring it, and you know, whether they just buying it out right, I mean, if anyone think that's bonkers, it's like, well, well remember the Louisiana purchase. I think Alaska is pretty pretty a great deal too, fifty million dollars, I think it was. It was recorded, it was it was referred to as Seward's folly, and now that was Alaska. Now, but he hasn't even take office in two weeks, and you know, we really need to pace ourselves if we're going to freak out over every last tweet or every last conversation or press conference.

And that right there at the end, what he said is I think the real heart of the better because while CNN and everyone else is freaking out about America invading Greenland, Trump has other matters to consider. Now my theory, for what it's worth, this is part of a grander distraction game that does two things. One, it keeps the haters occupied while Donald Trump pushes important other business like nominating getting nominees like FBI Director Designit Cash Ptel and Director of National Intelligence Desinit Tulci.

And that right there at the end, what he said is I think the real heart of the better because while CNN and everyone else is freaking out about America invading Greenland, Trump has other matters to consider. Now my theory, for what it's worth, this is part of a grander distraction game that does two things. One, it keeps the haters occupied while Donald Trump pushes important other business like nominating getting nominees like FBI Director Designit Cash Ptel and Director of National Intelligence Desinit Tulci.

Gabbert through the Senate.

Gabbert through the Senate.

And the other thing it does it sends the message that whether or not he does it, America is thinking big strategically and geopolitically. Again, Now, before I bring in the panel, I want to show you a little bit more of someone I've been talking about this week, Canada's opposition leader and likely next Prime Minister, Pierre Poiliev in action. Now, I've spoken a bit about him this week because I think he may be the most important rising conservative politician in the West right now, and because I think what he has to say and how he says it also will resonate with a lot of Australia. Here's Pier Pauliev talking about people left behind in his country, Canada. How they did all the right things, these Canadians, and yet now the system, the promise of that nation is working against them. Sound familiar.

And the other thing it does it sends the message that whether or not he does it, America is thinking big strategically and geopolitically. Again, Now, before I bring in the panel, I want to show you a little bit more of someone I've been talking about this week, Canada's opposition leader and likely next Prime Minister, Pierre Poiliev in action. Now, I've spoken a bit about him this week because I think he may be the most important rising conservative politician in the West right now, and because I think what he has to say and how he says it also will resonate with a lot of Australia. Here's Pier Pauliev talking about people left behind in his country, Canada. How they did all the right things, these Canadians, and yet now the system, the promise of that nation is working against them. Sound familiar.

Have a look.

Have a look.

I met another guy at the Lebrat Brewery a few days ago, and you can watch the video of me talking with him. He walked up to me, he said, I have three jobs and I can't make it. We're renting, we have no hope. We've given up on ever owning home. We're renting. We can barely make it. And he said to me, I feel ashamed when I talk to my kids because they asked me why I'm never around and why we can never have a house, And I feel like a failure. But he didn't fail. He has been failed. He has been robbed of the promise of Canada. It was a very simple promise that if you worked hard, you.

I met another guy at the Lebrat Brewery a few days ago, and you can watch the video of me talking with him. He walked up to me, he said, I have three jobs and I can't make it. We're renting, we have no hope. We've given up on ever owning home. We're renting. We can barely make it. And he said to me, I feel ashamed when I talk to my kids because they asked me why I'm never around and why we can never have a house, And I feel like a failure. But he didn't fail. He has been failed. He has been robbed of the promise of Canada. It was a very simple promise that if you worked hard, you.

Got a good life.

Got a good life.

Now it wasn't fancy or extravagant, but you got a house with a yard where you could have kids playing safely. This promise didn't belong to this Prime minister. It wasn't his promise to break. It belonged to all of us. And our purpose is to bring home that promise for that young man, that young father, and that older female worker, so that they can once again take back control of their lives. Live in a safe country where their hard work earns them a good wage, where the rent and their food is affordable, and where when they go to bed at night, they know that they will be safe throughout their sleep, and that they will have their car and their driveway in the morning. A country where people are proud again to fly the flag, where they know the government is a servant and not a master.

Now it wasn't fancy or extravagant, but you got a house with a yard where you could have kids playing safely. This promise didn't belong to this Prime minister. It wasn't his promise to break. It belonged to all of us. And our purpose is to bring home that promise for that young man, that young father, and that older female worker, so that they can once again take back control of their lives. Live in a safe country where their hard work earns them a good wage, where the rent and their food is affordable, and where when they go to bed at night, they know that they will be safe throughout their sleep, and that they will have their car and their driveway in the morning. A country where people are proud again to fly the flag, where they know the government is a servant and not a master.

I also like this bit of it where we talked about the real role of politicians to serve the common people, not their egos and mates.

I also like this bit of it where we talked about the real role of politicians to serve the common people, not their egos and mates.

We must remember that we are servants in this place. We have a job to do on behalf of the people who sent us here. Our personal dramas are not important. The dramas that should seize all of our concern and imagination are the daily dramas of the working women and men that build this country. We are in it for them.

We must remember that we are servants in this place. We have a job to do on behalf of the people who sent us here. Our personal dramas are not important. The dramas that should seize all of our concern and imagination are the daily dramas of the working women and men that build this country. We are in it for them.

We're going to give.

We're going to give.

Them back control of their lives in the freest country on earth, Canada. Let's bring it home.

Them back control of their lives in the freest country on earth, Canada. Let's bring it home.

I'll tell you what, if I were Peter Dutton, I'd be paying close attention here. This is a sort of language he uses that cuts to the heart of the problem of so many nations including Australia, which are suffering from decline dressed up as progress and where normal people feel like playing by the rules isn't enough anymore. I Hopefullaby have succeeds in Canada, and I hope we can also achieve many of the same things he's talking about in terms of a turnaround here in Australia. All right, well, let's bring in the panel. Let's not waste any more time. We've got a great panel tonight. One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby and GT Communications Jemma Todg niney welcome both of you to the program.

I'll tell you what, if I were Peter Dutton, I'd be paying close attention here. This is a sort of language he uses that cuts to the heart of the problem of so many nations including Australia, which are suffering from decline dressed up as progress and where normal people feel like playing by the rules isn't enough anymore. I Hopefullaby have succeeds in Canada, and I hope we can also achieve many of the same things he's talking about in terms of a turnaround here in Australia. All right, well, let's bring in the panel. Let's not waste any more time. We've got a great panel tonight. One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby and GT Communications Jemma Todg niney welcome both of you to the program.

I want to talk.

I want to talk.

About local issues here first, particularly those inflation numbers today. Now Labour's hopes of a pre electioned rate cut hangs in the balance following the latest inflation data out today. Annual headline inflation rows about two point three percent in the twelve months of November, above the two point two rise expected by economists. But here was Treasurer Jim Chalmers.

About local issues here first, particularly those inflation numbers today. Now Labour's hopes of a pre electioned rate cut hangs in the balance following the latest inflation data out today. Annual headline inflation rows about two point three percent in the twelve months of November, above the two point two rise expected by economists. But here was Treasurer Jim Chalmers.

And what we see in today's numbers is the helpful role that our policies are playing when it comes to this inflation fight. If you take electricity prices for example, they have fallen twenty one and a half percent in the year to November. They would have fallen one point seven percent without our energy rebates for every household that we are rolling out, So electricity prices would have come off a little bit without action. They've come off substantially because of the Electricity Bill rebates that we are providing to every household in Australia, and.

And what we see in today's numbers is the helpful role that our policies are playing when it comes to this inflation fight. If you take electricity prices for example, they have fallen twenty one and a half percent in the year to November. They would have fallen one point seven percent without our energy rebates for every household that we are rolling out, So electricity prices would have come off a little bit without action. They've come off substantially because of the Electricity Bill rebates that we are providing to every household in Australia, and.

That's a good thing.

That's a good thing.

Rents went up six point six percent in the year, but they would have gone up seven point nine percent were it not for the changes that we've made to Commonwealth rent assistance.

Rents went up six point six percent in the year, but they would have gone up seven point nine percent were it not for the changes that we've made to Commonwealth rent assistance.

Jimmy, I want to come to you first on this here because you're a business owner, so I think you know a thing or two about accounting and how balancing the books work. How is it that you're bringing down inflation when the taxpayer is just picking up the tab by making it look like things cost less, but we're still paying the same money just by passing it through the lovely hands of Jim Chalmers and the government. Explain this to me.

Jimmy, I want to come to you first on this here because you're a business owner, so I think you know a thing or two about accounting and how balancing the books work. How is it that you're bringing down inflation when the taxpayer is just picking up the tab by making it look like things cost less, but we're still paying the same money just by passing it through the lovely hands of Jim Chalmers and the government. Explain this to me.

This is the point.

This is the point.

This is the point James, at which I think Australians need to be reminded again that mister Chalmers has a PhD In Paul keating, mister Chalmers has never run a company. He doesn't understand clearly basic economics. And to say, oh, look it's so much better because we're subsidizing it is not the flex that he thinks it is. It's actually hideously embarrassing to see the treasure of this nation stand up and say everything's fine. The government's propping it up. That's basically what he just said. Then everything's fine because taxpayers are actually subsidizing basic services, which I might remind again Australian voters Prime Minister albanaz It promised would organically come down under his government. They haven't. They they've skyrocketed, as we all know. You know, and I know, this is a government with no economic credibility. They are economic wreckords and somebody needs to tap mister Charmers on the shoulder and say you cannot bring inflation down unless you stop spending and living beyond this country's means.

This is the point James, at which I think Australians need to be reminded again that mister Chalmers has a PhD In Paul keating, mister Chalmers has never run a company. He doesn't understand clearly basic economics. And to say, oh, look it's so much better because we're subsidizing it is not the flex that he thinks it is. It's actually hideously embarrassing to see the treasure of this nation stand up and say everything's fine. The government's propping it up. That's basically what he just said. Then everything's fine because taxpayers are actually subsidizing basic services, which I might remind again Australian voters Prime Minister albanaz It promised would organically come down under his government. They haven't. They they've skyrocketed, as we all know. You know, and I know, this is a government with no economic credibility. They are economic wreckords and somebody needs to tap mister Charmers on the shoulder and say you cannot bring inflation down unless you stop spending and living beyond this country's means.

James asked me, I want to go to your on this because when I was watching the Treasurer Jim Chaum was there. He looked to me like a very nervous gambler who was contemplating whether or not he should hit on seventeen at the blackjack tables hoping to get this interest recut.

James asked me, I want to go to your on this because when I was watching the Treasurer Jim Chaum was there. He looked to me like a very nervous gambler who was contemplating whether or not he should hit on seventeen at the blackjack tables hoping to get this interest recut.

What did you make of all of it?

What did you make of all of it?

Well, doctor Chalmers hasn't been completely honest with the Australian people in his discussion today. The simple fact is the wholesale price of electricity may have come down, but the a trip will see only last week said that the majority of households and businesses are paying way beyond what they should be for their electricity prices, and they're encouraging households to actually pick up the phone, have a conversation with their provider and try and bring those prices down. Consumers shouldn't have to do that, not in a modern economy. But getting back to that fact about Jim Chalmers saying that inflation may have come down, the truth is I think he's giving a lot of homeowners in particular or investors false hope in the belief that he and his government under Albin Easy can bring down interest rates. I don't think we're ever going to see interest rates as low as what they were two, three or four years ago, when we were paying just over two percent for a lot of households who had a mortgage, we were paying very very minimal interest rates. But I think if you have a look at historical data, I think these interest rates are here to stay, regardless of whether we bring inflation down. I think the RBA are going to be reluctant to bring those down. So the false hope that this government or even an opposition may bring to people in this country that they are capable as a government of bringing interest rates down is a red flag to any to moving forward. I think historical data will say that interest will sort of somewhere be between four and seven percent moving forward into the future, because historical data of up to six hundred years, I might just say, internationally shows interest rates have always tend to be around that.

Well, doctor Chalmers hasn't been completely honest with the Australian people in his discussion today. The simple fact is the wholesale price of electricity may have come down, but the a trip will see only last week said that the majority of households and businesses are paying way beyond what they should be for their electricity prices, and they're encouraging households to actually pick up the phone, have a conversation with their provider and try and bring those prices down. Consumers shouldn't have to do that, not in a modern economy. But getting back to that fact about Jim Chalmers saying that inflation may have come down, the truth is I think he's giving a lot of homeowners in particular or investors false hope in the belief that he and his government under Albin Easy can bring down interest rates. I don't think we're ever going to see interest rates as low as what they were two, three or four years ago, when we were paying just over two percent for a lot of households who had a mortgage, we were paying very very minimal interest rates. But I think if you have a look at historical data, I think these interest rates are here to stay, regardless of whether we bring inflation down. I think the RBA are going to be reluctant to bring those down. So the false hope that this government or even an opposition may bring to people in this country that they are capable as a government of bringing interest rates down is a red flag to any to moving forward. I think historical data will say that interest will sort of somewhere be between four and seven percent moving forward into the future, because historical data of up to six hundred years, I might just say, internationally shows interest rates have always tend to be around that.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, No, I think you're right, James Ashbury, and those zero interest rate years are probably a thing of the past.

Yeah, No, I think you're right, James Ashbury, and those zero interest rate years are probably a thing of the past.

Now.

Now.

I want to move to Melbourne to some offensive T shirts which are being sold by an anti Israel activist featuring slogans including bash Zionists and support our Resistance. They were being promoted at a Heidelberg mosque in Melbourne, although the mosque's emom says he had not approved the shirts and was not aware they were being sold. Jemma, you've read very eloquently about the problem of anti Semitism. Here is this crossing the line of free speech? Should these shirts be pulled? Do you think where do you think.

I want to move to Melbourne to some offensive T shirts which are being sold by an anti Israel activist featuring slogans including bash Zionists and support our Resistance. They were being promoted at a Heidelberg mosque in Melbourne, although the mosque's emom says he had not approved the shirts and was not aware they were being sold. Jemma, you've read very eloquently about the problem of anti Semitism. Here is this crossing the line of free speech? Should these shirts be pulled? Do you think where do you think.

This all lands?

This all lands?

Well?

Well?

I think the simple answer to that is to play a game of pretend. Imagine if those T shirts said bash all the Italians, bash all the Christians, bash all the Muslims, bash all the Lesbians, bash all the homosexuals. Let's just pretend for a second that those T shirts had that text on them, and we know exactly what would happen. There would be the appropriate action under the existing law. James, and I think this is the frustration most Australians fhere. We don't need new laws. We need to need the laws that we have to be policed as if they actually mean something. Every time something like this happens, you know, you know, people like Tony Burke and sometimes Prime Minister Albanazi turn around and go careful. We can't have any Islamophobia like it's an absolute exercise in gas lighting the citizens of this country. Those T shirts violate, my understanding, a number of basic laws in this country, one of them being incitement to violence. You cannot claim that it's trite or nuanced or you know, just tongue in cheek for the lolls. This is a person with the stated intention selling these shirts at a mosque, which is provocative in itself, and good on the AmAm for distancing himself. Absolutely, we all know that this is just an extension of the cancer of anti Semitism in this country, of which Victoria is sadly the epicenter.

I think the simple answer to that is to play a game of pretend. Imagine if those T shirts said bash all the Italians, bash all the Christians, bash all the Muslims, bash all the Lesbians, bash all the homosexuals. Let's just pretend for a second that those T shirts had that text on them, and we know exactly what would happen. There would be the appropriate action under the existing law. James, and I think this is the frustration most Australians fhere. We don't need new laws. We need to need the laws that we have to be policed as if they actually mean something. Every time something like this happens, you know, you know, people like Tony Burke and sometimes Prime Minister Albanazi turn around and go careful. We can't have any Islamophobia like it's an absolute exercise in gas lighting the citizens of this country. Those T shirts violate, my understanding, a number of basic laws in this country, one of them being incitement to violence. You cannot claim that it's trite or nuanced or you know, just tongue in cheek for the lolls. This is a person with the stated intention selling these shirts at a mosque, which is provocative in itself, and good on the AmAm for distancing himself. Absolutely, we all know that this is just an extension of the cancer of anti Semitism in this country, of which Victoria is sadly the epicenter.

I mean, James asked me, what do you make well, I just think that when you talk about the freed social cohesion we have in so many places like Melbourne, this is not on.

I mean, James asked me, what do you make well, I just think that when you talk about the freed social cohesion we have in so many places like Melbourne, this is not on.

I think these shirts are abhorrent, to be quite frank, But I think what's more concerning is the fact that this is a Palestinian teaming up with Black Sovereign Movement here in Australia, the same organization that seems to be the one that Lydia Thorpe and I'm not suggesting for a moment she's behind these, but it's the same group that Black Sovereign Movement teaming up with the Palestinians for these absolute hateful t shirts. Now, at some point somebody has to put this before the courts.

I think these shirts are abhorrent, to be quite frank, But I think what's more concerning is the fact that this is a Palestinian teaming up with Black Sovereign Movement here in Australia, the same organization that seems to be the one that Lydia Thorpe and I'm not suggesting for a moment she's behind these, but it's the same group that Black Sovereign Movement teaming up with the Palestinians for these absolute hateful t shirts. Now, at some point somebody has to put this before the courts.

If it's good.

If it's good.

Enough for Paula and Hansen to end up before a federal court in this country after telling someone to po back to Pakistan, At what point are we going to put someone responsible for these shirts that purely incite violence before a human rights commission and say pay up? Because paul and Hanson's in the trough for a million dollars for simply saying what she said. How much will these people be in the can for if they're hauled before the courts? This is incitement, It's horrible and I feel very sorry for the Jewish community to again go through this.

Enough for Paula and Hansen to end up before a federal court in this country after telling someone to po back to Pakistan, At what point are we going to put someone responsible for these shirts that purely incite violence before a human rights commission and say pay up? Because paul and Hanson's in the trough for a million dollars for simply saying what she said. How much will these people be in the can for if they're hauled before the courts? This is incitement, It's horrible and I feel very sorry for the Jewish community to again go through this.

Well said James as There's just no place for this in a civilized society. Hey, before I let you guys go, I want to talk about this latest proposal from the Greens. We've got an election coming up, possibly a matter of weeks. They want to have a big shake up to the leader's debates. They are demanding They've got a list of demands the Greens. They want the ABC to become the official host of the debates and they want to have the Greens get a spot on the stage.

Well said James as There's just no place for this in a civilized society. Hey, before I let you guys go, I want to talk about this latest proposal from the Greens. We've got an election coming up, possibly a matter of weeks. They want to have a big shake up to the leader's debates. They are demanding They've got a list of demands the Greens. They want the ABC to become the official host of the debates and they want to have the Greens get a spot on the stage.

So it's now a.

So it's now a.

Three way debate between the Coalition, Labor and the Greens gematog needy is this proposition to goer.

Three way debate between the Coalition, Labor and the Greens gematog needy is this proposition to goer.

We'll talk about delusions of grandeur James for starters, you know, wanting to be part of the big game when really they've been a fringe player for as long as anyone can remember. And we're nearly wiped out in the Queensland election. I mean part of me says, yeah, let them rip so all of Australia can see how just completely unhinged, file toxic and hate hate field that party is for this country. But on the other hand, I think stick them in the corner and treat them like the annoying blowfly that they are. Just swap them occasionally or give them a good dose of morteine. But the ABC, you know, their proposal for the ABC to be the official, you know, broadcaster of these debates because of you know, some weird idea that they might be unbiased. I mean, this is just again, this is just fanciful, completely fanciful nonsense from this party that hates our country. Anyone who thinks the ABC is going to be unbiased needs to have their head raised.

We'll talk about delusions of grandeur James for starters, you know, wanting to be part of the big game when really they've been a fringe player for as long as anyone can remember. And we're nearly wiped out in the Queensland election. I mean part of me says, yeah, let them rip so all of Australia can see how just completely unhinged, file toxic and hate hate field that party is for this country. But on the other hand, I think stick them in the corner and treat them like the annoying blowfly that they are. Just swap them occasionally or give them a good dose of morteine. But the ABC, you know, their proposal for the ABC to be the official, you know, broadcaster of these debates because of you know, some weird idea that they might be unbiased. I mean, this is just again, this is just fanciful, completely fanciful nonsense from this party that hates our country. Anyone who thinks the ABC is going to be unbiased needs to have their head raised.

Absolutely out of billion dollars a year to the head of a country. James Ashby I just when I first saw the headline of this, I thought this was the setup to one of your brilliant Paul Enhance in One Nation cartoons. What do you think of this idea?

Absolutely out of billion dollars a year to the head of a country. James Ashby I just when I first saw the headline of this, I thought this was the setup to one of your brilliant Paul Enhance in One Nation cartoons. What do you think of this idea?

Well, we actually.

Well, we actually.

Want the debates to be held on a network with an audience, not the ABC, and at done a very good job with the previous debates that have been held on a state level and federally as well, so I'd like to see it continue on Sky. Look, Clive Palmer tried this trick many years ago as well. He wanted center stage along with the latest debate. He didn't get his way. I don't think the GRAIN.

Want the debates to be held on a network with an audience, not the ABC, and at done a very good job with the previous debates that have been held on a state level and federally as well, so I'd like to see it continue on Sky. Look, Clive Palmer tried this trick many years ago as well. He wanted center stage along with the latest debate. He didn't get his way. I don't think the GRAIN.

Should have it.

Should have it.

Just let's keep it to the main political parties that will have a chance of governing after this election.

Just let's keep it to the main political parties that will have a chance of governing after this election.

Well said James Ashby. Thank you so much, James, Thank you so much, Jema Targnini for joining me tonight. Now let's move on here, because, as I mentioned at the top of the show, Donald Trump has refused to rule using military force to take over the Panama Canal and Greenland, arguing that US control of both are important for national security.

Well said James Ashby. Thank you so much, James, Thank you so much, Jema Targnini for joining me tonight. Now let's move on here, because, as I mentioned at the top of the show, Donald Trump has refused to rule using military force to take over the Panama Canal and Greenland, arguing that US control of both are important for national security.

We need Greenland for national security purposes. I've been told that for a long time, long before I even ran. I mean, people have been talking about it for a long time. You have approximately forty five thousand people there. People really don't even know if Denmark has an illegal right to it, but if they do, they should give it up because we needed for national security. That's for the free world. I'm talking about protecting the free world.

We need Greenland for national security purposes. I've been told that for a long time, long before I even ran. I mean, people have been talking about it for a long time. You have approximately forty five thousand people there. People really don't even know if Denmark has an illegal right to it, but if they do, they should give it up because we needed for national security. That's for the free world. I'm talking about protecting the free world.

Well, joining me now to discuss this and a lot more is past chair of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby. Michael, thanks so much for joining me tonight.

Well, joining me now to discuss this and a lot more is past chair of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby. Michael, thanks so much for joining me tonight.

You all right, great?

You all right, great?

What do you make of Trump's ambitions to control Greenland and the Panama Canal?

What do you make of Trump's ambitions to control Greenland and the Panama Canal?

What do you make of all this?

What do you make of all this?

Well, I don't make of it. What seeing inmates of it?

Well, I don't make of it. What seeing inmates of it?

Literally an attack by Trump with the military on Greenland. This is a negotiation. Trump is not even prison yet. He's opening the batting by suggesting that Denmark needs to spend.

Literally an attack by Trump with the military on Greenland. This is a negotiation. Trump is not even prison yet. He's opening the batting by suggesting that Denmark needs to spend.

More on defense.

More on defense.

And then on both occasions, Denmark and Greenland need to be concerned about Beijing's activities in.

And then on both occasions, Denmark and Greenland need to be concerned about Beijing's activities in.

Greenland because Greenland.

Greenland because Greenland.

Is very strategically cited across the Arctic between China, Russia and America, and it's a legitimate area of concern.

Is very strategically cited across the Arctic between China, Russia and America, and it's a legitimate area of concern.

It wouldn't be my top priority the Panama Canal.

It wouldn't be my top priority the Panama Canal.

Likewise, five percent of international shipping traffic goes through there. I'd be more concerned about the Red Sea because that's fifteen percent there. But the Chinese companies Beijing has bought at least two of the five concessions on the Panama Canal. And if you're an American, a military person in particular, worried about shipping through the Panama Canal in times of crisis, you'd be very concerned about China's role in that.

Likewise, five percent of international shipping traffic goes through there. I'd be more concerned about the Red Sea because that's fifteen percent there. But the Chinese companies Beijing has bought at least two of the five concessions on the Panama Canal. And if you're an American, a military person in particular, worried about shipping through the Panama Canal in times of crisis, you'd be very concerned about China's role in that.

And I think the.

And I think the.

Best way is put a bit of pressure on the Panamanian Donald's and numb buy some of the concisions back off the Chinese.

Best way is put a bit of pressure on the Panamanian Donald's and numb buy some of the concisions back off the Chinese.

Yeah, fair enough, and I think you've absolutely got it right where so many people have gotten it wrong. Trump is a negotiator. These are always just opening gambits, and he's always looking to distract you while he's doing something else. I've been watching him since I was a kid in New York City, and this is always the way. It's amazing they have still.

Yeah, fair enough, and I think you've absolutely got it right where so many people have gotten it wrong. Trump is a negotiator. These are always just opening gambits, and he's always looking to distract you while he's doing something else. I've been watching him since I was a kid in New York City, and this is always the way. It's amazing they have still.

Fallen for it.

Fallen for it.

But Donald Trump also had some strong words of warning for Hamas when it comes to the hostages who are still being held captain in Gaza.

But Donald Trump also had some strong words of warning for Hamas when it comes to the hostages who are still being held captain in Gaza.

Have listen to this.

Have listen to this.

If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I get into office, all hell will break out in the Middle East, and it will not be good for Hamas, and it will not be good frankly for anyone.

If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I get into office, all hell will break out in the Middle East, and it will not be good for Hamas, and it will not be good frankly for anyone.

All hell will break out.

All hell will break out.

I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.

I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.

Now.

Now.

Reports have come out that Hamas has put together a list of thirty four hostages it is now potentially willing to release as part of a ceasefire deal. Does this suggest that Trump's tough talk where Joe Biden failed to do anything in the way of tough talk since October seventh regarding Hamas, is going to actually pay some results here at least.

Reports have come out that Hamas has put together a list of thirty four hostages it is now potentially willing to release as part of a ceasefire deal. Does this suggest that Trump's tough talk where Joe Biden failed to do anything in the way of tough talk since October seventh regarding Hamas, is going to actually pay some results here at least.

It's getting us to the starting blocks.

It's getting us to the starting blocks.

Now.

Now.

The problem is that HAMAS wants a huge number of political prisoners have been convicted of capital crimes. It wants to substitute live hostages for the bodies of hostages who passed away. So all of these things are still problematic, but it's the Trump pressure that's counting.

The problem is that HAMAS wants a huge number of political prisoners have been convicted of capital crimes. It wants to substitute live hostages for the bodies of hostages who passed away. So all of these things are still problematic, but it's the Trump pressure that's counting.

And let's explain something to odd dear friends. At the ABC.

And let's explain something to odd dear friends. At the ABC.

Even Secretary Blinken has been saying repeatedly and in the New York Times you've read it, James, that it's Harmas.

Even Secretary Blinken has been saying repeatedly and in the New York Times you've read it, James, that it's Harmas.

That's blocking the deal.

That's blocking the deal.

The Israelis are willing to make concessions to get there four hostages out of those depraved circumstances with these beasts in the airless tunnels underneath Gaza. But something is going to happen. The pressure will come not just on Mohammed Sinwar, who that Trump may say, can be assassinated like Hania or Masralla.

The Israelis are willing to make concessions to get there four hostages out of those depraved circumstances with these beasts in the airless tunnels underneath Gaza. But something is going to happen. The pressure will come not just on Mohammed Sinwar, who that Trump may say, can be assassinated like Hania or Masralla.

It could come on Turkey and Iran.

It could come on Turkey and Iran.

Turkey has gone to Hamas leaders there, and I can imagine Donald bringing up Dwan saying, Allah, Tony soprano, now you get those guys, will give them the Midnight Express treatment to release those hostages. And he also could free up the sent coom to bomb sam MYRGC sites in Iran. Because after all, James, as we know, the Iranians are the ones who are the paymasters of Hamas, Ezbela, et cetera.

Turkey has gone to Hamas leaders there, and I can imagine Donald bringing up Dwan saying, Allah, Tony soprano, now you get those guys, will give them the Midnight Express treatment to release those hostages. And he also could free up the sent coom to bomb sam MYRGC sites in Iran. Because after all, James, as we know, the Iranians are the ones who are the paymasters of Hamas, Ezbela, et cetera.

This is a seven front war.

This is a seven front war.

It's not just the Gaza, the poor Palestinians in Gaza that are subject of all of this. It's a seven Front war against israel I. Wish the ABC would explain that to its listeners and to all.

It's not just the Gaza, the poor Palestinians in Gaza that are subject of all of this. It's a seven Front war against israel I. Wish the ABC would explain that to its listeners and to all.

Australians absolutely right now, I want to come back here a little closer to the home where Home Affairs Minister Tony Brook is under fire or following revelations the government has canceled fewer than five visas in religion to anti Semitic rhetoric or conduct since October twenty three. James Patterson, the opposite in Home Affairs Folkson, has slammed the government's response. And I want to ask you, Michael Daby, do you really think you know this is good enough?

Australians absolutely right now, I want to come back here a little closer to the home where Home Affairs Minister Tony Brook is under fire or following revelations the government has canceled fewer than five visas in religion to anti Semitic rhetoric or conduct since October twenty three. James Patterson, the opposite in Home Affairs Folkson, has slammed the government's response. And I want to ask you, Michael Daby, do you really think you know this is good enough?

This is a crazy policy.

This is a crazy policy.

Since when did Australia arrogate to itself the fact that we're getting three thousand people from a war zone that are only imperfectly checked. Only when Home Affairs are referres int Asio are they checked.

Since when did Australia arrogate to itself the fact that we're getting three thousand people from a war zone that are only imperfectly checked. Only when Home Affairs are referres int Asio are they checked.

This is ridiculous. Tony Burke better.

This is ridiculous. Tony Burke better.

Hope that some of those people who is allowed to remain in Australia don't get involved in any other incidents, because he will. You know, there'll be a political hanging party for them if he does.

Hope that some of those people who is allowed to remain in Australia don't get involved in any other incidents, because he will. You know, there'll be a political hanging party for them if he does.

I also think.

I also think.

The one of the worst decisions that this government has made.

The one of the worst decisions that this government has made.

In this Middle East policy comes from him.

In this Middle East policy comes from him.

Again with the thirteen page interrogation he subjects all Israeli tourists to. There are no such interrogations for people coming from Greece, or from Turkey, or from any democratic country in Europe parallel to the Israelis. Not even people from China or Russia a subject to this. He wants to know their family history in these interrogations. He wants to know what units their parents served in the military. Where is this information going? Tony Burk's got a real be in his ear and this is a terrible policy. And hopefully when Mark Trefis goes to Israel, the Israelis will implore.

Again with the thirteen page interrogation he subjects all Israeli tourists to. There are no such interrogations for people coming from Greece, or from Turkey, or from any democratic country in Europe parallel to the Israelis. Not even people from China or Russia a subject to this. He wants to know their family history in these interrogations. He wants to know what units their parents served in the military. Where is this information going? Tony Burk's got a real be in his ear and this is a terrible policy. And hopefully when Mark Trefis goes to Israel, the Israelis will implore.

Him and get him to come back to Australia and have it reversed.

Him and get him to come back to Australia and have it reversed.

Well, if only he was Patty one going over there rather than Drefist.

Well, if only he was Patty one going over there rather than Drefist.

But anyway, there we are.

But anyway, there we are.

Michael Danby, thank you so much for your time and for walking us through all of that. And I don't go anywhere because we've got so much more on the show after the break. What lesson can we learn from the stoush over migration and a lot more else which is heating up in the UK. Plus a bombshell report WARN's one state could be facing major winter blackouts all because of green power. Coming up a little bit later on in the show. Don't want to miss it. Welcome back to the program. James Brow here sitting in for Peter Kretline this week, and I'm very pleased to be joined now in the studio by Peter Curtie. He's the director of the Culture, Prosperity and Civil Society Program at the Center for Independent Studies, and he is also a great expert on citizenship and multiculturalism and all of the responsibilities that go along with those sorts of things. And I wanted to talk to you, Peter, because there's so many stories right now out there about migration, which is this huge issue. And I was struck by a story in The Australian which said that the Administrative Appeals Tribunal has been taking attack by a court because a couple of people that it was going to kick out of the country that are in charge of canceling visas. One alleged students who hadn't completed their studies, it was said, and another two had a allegedly bashed their pregnant partner that those decisions were incorrect.

Michael Danby, thank you so much for your time and for walking us through all of that. And I don't go anywhere because we've got so much more on the show after the break. What lesson can we learn from the stoush over migration and a lot more else which is heating up in the UK. Plus a bombshell report WARN's one state could be facing major winter blackouts all because of green power. Coming up a little bit later on in the show. Don't want to miss it. Welcome back to the program. James Brow here sitting in for Peter Kretline this week, and I'm very pleased to be joined now in the studio by Peter Curtie. He's the director of the Culture, Prosperity and Civil Society Program at the Center for Independent Studies, and he is also a great expert on citizenship and multiculturalism and all of the responsibilities that go along with those sorts of things. And I wanted to talk to you, Peter, because there's so many stories right now out there about migration, which is this huge issue. And I was struck by a story in The Australian which said that the Administrative Appeals Tribunal has been taking attack by a court because a couple of people that it was going to kick out of the country that are in charge of canceling visas. One alleged students who hadn't completed their studies, it was said, and another two had a allegedly bashed their pregnant partner that those decisions were incorrect.

But I have a question for you.

But I have a question for you.

What does it do for a country like this when you know we want to be all multicultural, and yet when people step out of line, or a scene step out of line, they get chance after chance after chance to stay in the country and appeal and appeal and appeal at taxpayer expense.

What does it do for a country like this when you know we want to be all multicultural, and yet when people step out of line, or a scene step out of line, they get chance after chance after chance to stay in the country and appeal and appeal and appeal at taxpayer expense.

I think it's a big challenge because we are, as you say, a successful multicultural country, and yet the question arises who belongs here and who doesn't belong here? And it seems to me increasingly that people are becoming the members of the public are becoming very concerned because there are people who come to this country who transgress our norms and our laws and our ways of life and yet get to stay. And I think many of us feel that if you are going to be a part of Australian society, you you need to comply with and subscribe to those norms and values and not breach them and then expect to be able to stay.

I think it's a big challenge because we are, as you say, a successful multicultural country, and yet the question arises who belongs here and who doesn't belong here? And it seems to me increasingly that people are becoming the members of the public are becoming very concerned because there are people who come to this country who transgress our norms and our laws and our ways of life and yet get to stay. And I think many of us feel that if you are going to be a part of Australian society, you you need to comply with and subscribe to those norms and values and not breach them and then expect to be able to stay.

Well.

Well.

I want to get to know the way we inculcate those responsibilities and teach people who come to this country to love it and be part of it and not just treat it as a hotel or an economic base. But Britain, Great Britain UK is having far greater problems at the moment. You would be aware of the controversies around the way mostly Pakistani men who have been accused and actually committed some really violent and horrendous organized sexual attacks have been treated.

I want to get to know the way we inculcate those responsibilities and teach people who come to this country to love it and be part of it and not just treat it as a hotel or an economic base. But Britain, Great Britain UK is having far greater problems at the moment. You would be aware of the controversies around the way mostly Pakistani men who have been accused and actually committed some really violent and horrendous organized sexual attacks have been treated.

Now the Tories are.

Now the Tories are.

Saying that migrants who come from cultures that do not respect women, that behave in certain ways should be blocked from coming into the country if they've got what Kemy Badenock calls medieval attitudes towards women. Should we be more selective about who we let into the country here.

Saying that migrants who come from cultures that do not respect women, that behave in certain ways should be blocked from coming into the country if they've got what Kemy Badenock calls medieval attitudes towards women. Should we be more selective about who we let into the country here.

Well, it's actually Robert Jenrick, one of her colleagues, who use the term medieval attitudes, And I think, well, medieval is a bit of a bit of a misnower because it gives the idea that nothing good come out of the Middle Age.

Well, it's actually Robert Jenrick, one of her colleagues, who use the term medieval attitudes, And I think, well, medieval is a bit of a bit of a misnower because it gives the idea that nothing good come out of the Middle Age.

Well, this is.

Well, this is.

True, but I think what generic is getting at is again this idea that there is a if you like, a social model, that people need to subscribe to those institutions and norms and principles and laws that build a prosperous society. And many people come to the UK and have done for a long time from countries with dysfunctional social models, and they find that in fact they can't or won't, or simply refuse to abide by the norms and principles of the United Kingdom of a host country. And I think this is one of the problems with multiculturism. I'm not opposed to multiculturalism, but I think that underlying any idea of a multicultural society there must be the principle of the nation a national identity. And that's a particular problem I think for us at the moment in Australia.

True, but I think what generic is getting at is again this idea that there is a if you like, a social model, that people need to subscribe to those institutions and norms and principles and laws that build a prosperous society. And many people come to the UK and have done for a long time from countries with dysfunctional social models, and they find that in fact they can't or won't, or simply refuse to abide by the norms and principles of the United Kingdom of a host country. And I think this is one of the problems with multiculturism. I'm not opposed to multiculturalism, but I think that underlying any idea of a multicultural society there must be the principle of the nation a national identity. And that's a particular problem I think for us at the moment in Australia.

I think it's a problem across the Western world, where the progressive world seems to me to have taken on this idea that migration is almost a holy thing and that if you're a migrant, you're almost above criticism. And I was struck by this week in Congress in the United States, they passed a bill named after a young woman who was killed by an illegal migrant in a horrendous circumstance. It only passed though, by two hundred and sixty four to one hundred and fifty nine, so there were one hundred and fifty nine people, mostly Democrats, who said that it would be okay if you committed crimes not to be turned over to the federal authorities. What is happening here, because it seems to me that if you're very sympathetic to migrants, you would want to get rid of the criminal ones to promote the good ones who we all know are out there.

I think it's a problem across the Western world, where the progressive world seems to me to have taken on this idea that migration is almost a holy thing and that if you're a migrant, you're almost above criticism. And I was struck by this week in Congress in the United States, they passed a bill named after a young woman who was killed by an illegal migrant in a horrendous circumstance. It only passed though, by two hundred and sixty four to one hundred and fifty nine, so there were one hundred and fifty nine people, mostly Democrats, who said that it would be okay if you committed crimes not to be turned over to the federal authorities. What is happening here, because it seems to me that if you're very sympathetic to migrants, you would want to get rid of the criminal ones to promote the good ones who we all know are out there.

Well, I look down the list of those representatives. Yeah, House of Representatives verted against the bill, and most of them came from California, or a lot of them came from California. And one only has to look at California to see where there's a culture of.

Well, I look down the list of those representatives. Yeah, House of Representatives verted against the bill, and most of them came from California, or a lot of them came from California. And one only has to look at California to see where there's a culture of.

Victim that prevails.

Victim that prevails.

The idea that those who are offenders are somehow victims of hardship and need to be it needs to be protected and need to be nurtured by society rather than punished, means that, in fact, that people can act with impunity, and that, as we know, is a social and legal problem that's running rife now in California. I mean there still were representatives of by the states that both Yeah, I was struck by the number of reps from California.

The idea that those who are offenders are somehow victims of hardship and need to be it needs to be protected and need to be nurtured by society rather than punished, means that, in fact, that people can act with impunity, and that, as we know, is a social and legal problem that's running rife now in California. I mean there still were representatives of by the states that both Yeah, I was struck by the number of reps from California.

Who but California also, I mean, you do California. Well, it's a state that has been overtaken by this sort of progressive mind a lot almost and it does seem that, you know, some of this migration policy does seem to be about almost preferencing the rights of people who come in from other countries as no matter who they are, to the people who have already been there.

Who but California also, I mean, you do California. Well, it's a state that has been overtaken by this sort of progressive mind a lot almost and it does seem that, you know, some of this migration policy does seem to be about almost preferencing the rights of people who come in from other countries as no matter who they are, to the people who have already been there.

And you sort of see this with the United Kingdom.

And you sort of see this with the United Kingdom.

You know that working class Britons were discarded in favor of the pieties of multiculturalism. We see the same thing in California. You've written about this causing fragmentation and identity politics and that we need to get back to this hear that citizenship is actually something that is a responsibility, not just a right. Are we getting this right in Australia.

You know that working class Britons were discarded in favor of the pieties of multiculturalism. We see the same thing in California. You've written about this causing fragmentation and identity politics and that we need to get back to this hear that citizenship is actually something that is a responsibility, not just a right. Are we getting this right in Australia.

I don't think we are.

I don't think we are.

And the key word that used is rights because we have such an emphasis on the rights that go with citizenship. And certainly there are rights that go with being an Australian citizen, but we neglect to speak about the duties that go with citizenship. And those duties, I mean, they're not encoded in law, but they are certainly encoded in the norms of our society. There are the duties of participation of mutual respect of tolerance, and I think a sense of civic pride. And well, that's one something that we are struggling with in particular Australia. We see that, we see that every year around Australia.

And the key word that used is rights because we have such an emphasis on the rights that go with citizenship. And certainly there are rights that go with being an Australian citizen, but we neglect to speak about the duties that go with citizenship. And those duties, I mean, they're not encoded in law, but they are certainly encoded in the norms of our society. There are the duties of participation of mutual respect of tolerance, and I think a sense of civic pride. And well, that's one something that we are struggling with in particular Australia. We see that, we see that every year around Australia.

Well, I was about to ask about this because you know, I would think that if you're a migrant, let's say you come from.

Well, I was about to ask about this because you know, I would think that if you're a migrant, let's say you come from.

Let's just say India for example.

Let's just say India for example.

And you know you've come here with your family, and you've set up in one of our suburbs here, and you know, you've got a job and you're working, and you know you like the place and everything like that. But then your kids go to school and they're told this place is horrible. It's on stall and land. When you go out and you turn on the ABC when you're driving to work and you hear what a horrible, stolen land, racist place it is. Do we need to do better about not talking ourselves down?

And you know you've come here with your family, and you've set up in one of our suburbs here, and you know, you've got a job and you're working, and you know you like the place and everything like that. But then your kids go to school and they're told this place is horrible. It's on stall and land. When you go out and you turn on the ABC when you're driving to work and you hear what a horrible, stolen land, racist place it is. Do we need to do better about not talking ourselves down?

Yes, I think we do need to do better. And I think many of the people who came to this country from the say, the Indian subcontinent forty or fifty years ago, are deeply committed to Australia in its way of life, and they want their kids to have a better way of life than they had, certainly when they came to this country. And I think those are the people who are deeply committed. So it doesn't matter where you come from, it's the attitude that you bring. And I think one of the problems that we one of the challenges that we face in Australia at the moment, and our warrant that in twenty days time this will erupt again all over the news, is we are uncomfortable about the idea of being proud of our nation, of our achievements, and proud of what we said for which is not to say that there's nothing bad about Australia or that Australia has never erred, but it's to say that we can be proud. And if we inculcate that sense of civic and national pride, I think that we can start to build that sense of of the duty, of the duties that go with being a citizen. As much as the riots.

Yes, I think we do need to do better. And I think many of the people who came to this country from the say, the Indian subcontinent forty or fifty years ago, are deeply committed to Australia in its way of life, and they want their kids to have a better way of life than they had, certainly when they came to this country. And I think those are the people who are deeply committed. So it doesn't matter where you come from, it's the attitude that you bring. And I think one of the problems that we one of the challenges that we face in Australia at the moment, and our warrant that in twenty days time this will erupt again all over the news, is we are uncomfortable about the idea of being proud of our nation, of our achievements, and proud of what we said for which is not to say that there's nothing bad about Australia or that Australia has never erred, but it's to say that we can be proud. And if we inculcate that sense of civic and national pride, I think that we can start to build that sense of of the duty, of the duties that go with being a citizen. As much as the riots.

Peter Curti, we're gonna have to leave with them, and thank you so much for insights as always much appreciated. Now don't go anywhere because after the break we're going to find out about the state that's going to have potential blackouts in the colder months when those are coming right around the corner, And new research reveals the extraordinary cost of renewables in yet another reality check for Chris Bowen. But Willie listen, we'll find out after the break. Hey, welcome back to the program. Let's rip right into it here. There could be major power pain on the way for Victorians, with the state's power costs set to surge from the lowest in the country to the highest, according to a bombshell new report warning that there could be blackouts in Victoria during the colder months when residents are stung with skyrocketing power bills. Joining me now is former Speaker of the House Bromin bi and libertarian commentator Kristin Abraham Brownwin. Let's get right into it. This is really dire stuff here, this report. Huge costs on the way attached for renewable energy despite it being the cheapest form of power, and Victoria could be in the firing line for blackouts.

Peter Curti, we're gonna have to leave with them, and thank you so much for insights as always much appreciated. Now don't go anywhere because after the break we're going to find out about the state that's going to have potential blackouts in the colder months when those are coming right around the corner, And new research reveals the extraordinary cost of renewables in yet another reality check for Chris Bowen. But Willie listen, we'll find out after the break. Hey, welcome back to the program. Let's rip right into it here. There could be major power pain on the way for Victorians, with the state's power costs set to surge from the lowest in the country to the highest, according to a bombshell new report warning that there could be blackouts in Victoria during the colder months when residents are stung with skyrocketing power bills. Joining me now is former Speaker of the House Bromin bi and libertarian commentator Kristin Abraham Brownwin. Let's get right into it. This is really dire stuff here, this report. Huge costs on the way attached for renewable energy despite it being the cheapest form of power, and Victoria could be in the firing line for blackouts.

Why are we not surprised, Well, we're not sur Most sensible people have known all along at the cost of wind and solar, plus what it takes to convert it into energy in the home or anything else is hugely expensive. It is far more expensive than coal and it's more expensive than nuclear. So why are we surprised that Victoria, the once great manufacturing state, with its anti gas policies electrification of the state, why are we surprised that it's going to face blackouts when it's closed down already major power stations and is trying to get rid of the rest as well.

Why are we not surprised, Well, we're not sur Most sensible people have known all along at the cost of wind and solar, plus what it takes to convert it into energy in the home or anything else is hugely expensive. It is far more expensive than coal and it's more expensive than nuclear. So why are we surprised that Victoria, the once great manufacturing state, with its anti gas policies electrification of the state, why are we surprised that it's going to face blackouts when it's closed down already major power stations and is trying to get rid of the rest as well.

And Kristin, I want to go to you on this here too, because you know, as a libertarian, I'd love to hear your reaction to the thought of three hundred billion dollars of our money being torched by government's current and future to achieve this renewables out come. How is this at all worth it?