Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia. Well, good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James Borrow, filling in this week for Peter Kredlin. Coming up tonight, We've got a big show for you. Labor is once again playing us for fools with the pre election given to try and ease tensions with our supposed ally Israel after months of pandering to the Greens and Muslim voters. Plus let the Australia Day virtue signaling begin. While some companies and councils are now embracing our national Day, others continue the push to divide us. Why I don't know, but Kamala Harris too. She's been forced to certify her rivals win in Washington as Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau falls on his sword. The latest from North America a bit later on in the program. But first, well, it's two of the unofficial election campaign and it is already clear to me that Anthony Albanizi believes that the Australian people have the memory of a goldfish. After more than a year of increasingly hostile relations between Israel, Australia and the putative friend Israel, the only true liberal democracy in the entire Middle East. Weeks and months, and now more than a year of hostile anti Israel demonstrations in our capital cities, many featuring the flags of Hesbala and other terrorist organizations, and a shocking run of anti Semitic attacks in Jewish neighborhoods, the Albenesi government has realized, Hey, we have a problem here, and the Jewish community and plenty of other Australians are mightily upset about it, particularly at the way Labour's Middle East policy has been driven by a cynical mix of leftist student politics i e. The Greens and the left wing of the Labor Party, plus a desire to pander to Muslim voters in western Sydney and Melbourne seats held by key Labor frontbenchers. So what's Labour's big solution to this, Well, Anthony Albanezi is sending one of his ministers to Israel. Now, not far Minister Penny Wong, mind you, the woman behind Australia's frankly hostile stance towards the Jewish state, but rather, in a move that spacks of tokensm and condescension, the government's only Jewish Minister, Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss. I'm sorry, but how dumb do they think we are? How short do they think our memories are. Here's what Alex Rivkin from the Executive Council of Australian Jewry had to say on Sky earlier today.

Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia. Well, good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James Borrow, filling in this week for Peter Kredlin. Coming up tonight, We've got a big show for you. Labor is once again playing us for fools with the pre election given to try and ease tensions with our supposed ally Israel after months of pandering to the Greens and Muslim voters. Plus let the Australia Day virtue signaling begin. While some companies and councils are now embracing our national Day, others continue the push to divide us. Why I don't know, but Kamala Harris too. She's been forced to certify her rivals win in Washington as Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau falls on his sword. The latest from North America a bit later on in the program. But first, well, it's two of the unofficial election campaign and it is already clear to me that Anthony Albanizi believes that the Australian people have the memory of a goldfish. After more than a year of increasingly hostile relations between Israel, Australia and the putative friend Israel, the only true liberal democracy in the entire Middle East. Weeks and months, and now more than a year of hostile anti Israel demonstrations in our capital cities, many featuring the flags of Hesbala and other terrorist organizations, and a shocking run of anti Semitic attacks in Jewish neighborhoods, the Albenesi government has realized, Hey, we have a problem here, and the Jewish community and plenty of other Australians are mightily upset about it, particularly at the way Labour's Middle East policy has been driven by a cynical mix of leftist student politics i e. The Greens and the left wing of the Labor Party, plus a desire to pander to Muslim voters in western Sydney and Melbourne seats held by key Labor frontbenchers. So what's Labour's big solution to this, Well, Anthony Albanezi is sending one of his ministers to Israel. Now, not far Minister Penny Wong, mind you, the woman behind Australia's frankly hostile stance towards the Jewish state, but rather, in a move that spacks of tokensm and condescension, the government's only Jewish Minister, Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss. I'm sorry, but how dumb do they think we are? How short do they think our memories are. Here's what Alex Rivkin from the Executive Council of Australian Jewry had to say on Sky earlier today.

Mark Dreyfus is obviously a high ranking member of the federal government and I'm sure that his trip will be well received by these rather but ultimately actions speak louder than words. And when the Foreign Minister previously traveled to Israel and refused to travel to the sites of the October seven atrocities in the south of Israel to see for herself why Israel is a warm what was done to the people of Israel. That was really a very bruising thing that was done, and that really shattered the relationship to a large degree. Since that time, we've seen visa issues with ISRAELI has been unable to come to Australia, We've seen an increasingly hostile stance taken by Australian international forums against Israel. So this is a positive step from the Attorney Genermalan from the government, but the actions that follower are far more important than this trip alone.

Mark Dreyfus is obviously a high ranking member of the federal government and I'm sure that his trip will be well received by these rather but ultimately actions speak louder than words. And when the Foreign Minister previously traveled to Israel and refused to travel to the sites of the October seven atrocities in the south of Israel to see for herself why Israel is a warm what was done to the people of Israel. That was really a very bruising thing that was done, and that really shattered the relationship to a large degree. Since that time, we've seen visa issues with ISRAELI has been unable to come to Australia, We've seen an increasingly hostile stance taken by Australian international forums against Israel. So this is a positive step from the Attorney Genermalan from the government, but the actions that follower are far more important than this trip alone.

Yeah, and I think Galx was even soft pedaling it there. And he's not the only one who thinks that all of this from the government is just too little, too late. Earlier today I spoke with the Jewish Liberal MP Julian Liser, who said, quote, having focused for so long on the politics with the inner city left, the Prime Minister now realizes he has lost the trust of mainstream Australians when it comes to the proliferation of anti Semitism in our country and the betrayal of a long standing Australian ally unquote. Now remember this is the same Albanese government that has voted time and again against Israel in the UN, that has undermined the nation's previous Biparlisan stance on Israel, that refused to give a visa to a former Israeli government minister to attend a conference in Canberra, whose Foreign Minister Penny Wong previously and grudgingly visited Israel, but refused to visit massacre sites in the south of that country that were torched by Hamas on October seventh. And by the way, I can tell you I have visited those sites. I did some months ago and it was an utterly chilling, searing experience that will be forever in my memory. And by the way, this is also a government who's Attorney General, the same Mark Dreifus, they are sending to Israel, mixed an inquiry into antisemitism on university campuses. So do they really expect Australians of goodwill to forget all of them, to say, oh, no, it's okay, Mark Cravis is going to Israel. Everything's fine now again do they think we have the memories of goldfish? This is utterly performative, this trip. It changes nothing and in fact, in some ways it makes it worse.

Yeah, and I think Galx was even soft pedaling it there. And he's not the only one who thinks that all of this from the government is just too little, too late. Earlier today I spoke with the Jewish Liberal MP Julian Liser, who said, quote, having focused for so long on the politics with the inner city left, the Prime Minister now realizes he has lost the trust of mainstream Australians when it comes to the proliferation of anti Semitism in our country and the betrayal of a long standing Australian ally unquote. Now remember this is the same Albanese government that has voted time and again against Israel in the UN, that has undermined the nation's previous Biparlisan stance on Israel, that refused to give a visa to a former Israeli government minister to attend a conference in Canberra, whose Foreign Minister Penny Wong previously and grudgingly visited Israel, but refused to visit massacre sites in the south of that country that were torched by Hamas on October seventh. And by the way, I can tell you I have visited those sites. I did some months ago and it was an utterly chilling, searing experience that will be forever in my memory. And by the way, this is also a government who's Attorney General, the same Mark Dreifus, they are sending to Israel, mixed an inquiry into antisemitism on university campuses. So do they really expect Australians of goodwill to forget all of them, to say, oh, no, it's okay, Mark Cravis is going to Israel. Everything's fine now again do they think we have the memories of goldfish? This is utterly performative, this trip. It changes nothing and in fact, in some ways it makes it worse.

You know.

You know.

The great John Howard, echoing the thoughts of Sir John Carrick, has long been fond of saying that with regards to elections, you can't fatten a pig on market day. Yet here the government is trying to tuck this in the support of Israel's friends and supporters again not just in the Jewish community but across the country and say, hey, don't worry about it, everything's good now. Well, I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. And let me say one more thing. We are days away from Donald Trump coming back into office and rewriting US policy towards the Middle East in a much more firmly pro Israel direction than all of that Obama era pro Iran nonsense that Joe Biden was on about. Yet here we are the Albanesi government seems to have no idea what is happening or what is about to happen in Washington, as their campus level anti Israel radicalism threatens to drive a wedge between Canberra and Washington at precisely the moment that we should all be together onside. Indeed, I don't want to be alarmist here, but there is a chance that an Albanesi government with Kevin Rudd as ambassador to Washington, God help us, will badly bungle this crucial relationship with the Trump administration. Now in recent weeks, elsewhere in the world, everywhere, from everyone from Italy's Georgia Malone to the UK's Keir Starward of Francis Vaniel maccral have all either made their way tomorrow Lago or invited Trump in to meet him for a meal and a check to build relations. All these nations recognize that there is a new regime coming. They're making their moves and they're making their plans to cope with it. So what's us try you doing, what's Foreign Minister Penny Wong doing, what's Albanese doing?

The great John Howard, echoing the thoughts of Sir John Carrick, has long been fond of saying that with regards to elections, you can't fatten a pig on market day. Yet here the government is trying to tuck this in the support of Israel's friends and supporters again not just in the Jewish community but across the country and say, hey, don't worry about it, everything's good now. Well, I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. And let me say one more thing. We are days away from Donald Trump coming back into office and rewriting US policy towards the Middle East in a much more firmly pro Israel direction than all of that Obama era pro Iran nonsense that Joe Biden was on about. Yet here we are the Albanesi government seems to have no idea what is happening or what is about to happen in Washington, as their campus level anti Israel radicalism threatens to drive a wedge between Canberra and Washington at precisely the moment that we should all be together onside. Indeed, I don't want to be alarmist here, but there is a chance that an Albanesi government with Kevin Rudd as ambassador to Washington, God help us, will badly bungle this crucial relationship with the Trump administration. Now in recent weeks, elsewhere in the world, everywhere, from everyone from Italy's Georgia Malone to the UK's Keir Starward of Francis Vaniel maccral have all either made their way tomorrow Lago or invited Trump in to meet him for a meal and a check to build relations. All these nations recognize that there is a new regime coming. They're making their moves and they're making their plans to cope with it. So what's us try you doing, what's Foreign Minister Penny Wong doing, what's Albanese doing?

I'd love to know.

I'd love to know.

Now onto the campaign trail and the Prime Minister was again in Queensland today sporting his a kubra hat that makes him look like Willy Loman in an outback committee the interproduction of Death of a Salesman and gosh again, it seems like Anthony Albanezi is even snippier with reporters than even say US President Joe Biden. Have a look at what happened in Rockhampton earlier.

Now onto the campaign trail and the Prime Minister was again in Queensland today sporting his a kubra hat that makes him look like Willy Loman in an outback committee the interproduction of Death of a Salesman and gosh again, it seems like Anthony Albanezi is even snippier with reporters than even say US President Joe Biden. Have a look at what happened in Rockhampton earlier.

Today's time for you to concede that your pledge to introduce electricity prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars by this year, for whatever reasons, that's not going to happen.

Today's time for you to concede that your pledge to introduce electricity prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars by this year, for whatever reasons, that's not going to happen.

Is that fair?

Is that fair?

Well.

Well.

One of the things that we did, of course, was I have three hundred dollars energy bill relife. The Coensland government understood Miles had one thousand dollars additional to that that was opposed by the coalition.

One of the things that we did, of course, was I have three hundred dollars energy bill relife. The Coensland government understood Miles had one thousand dollars additional to that that was opposed by the coalition.

That's not my question. In fair that was a coalition, but the two hundred and seventy five dollars.

That's not my question. In fair that was a coalition, but the two hundred and seventy five dollars.

I know that, but you get You get to do the questions. I get to do the answers. That's why it works.

I know that, but you get You get to do the questions. I get to do the answers. That's why it works.

And we have we have delivered that.

And we have we have delivered that.

Oh testy testing there, Prime Minister.

Oh testy testing there, Prime Minister.

Look, I get it on.

Look, I get it on.

The two hundred and seventy five dollars promise is an absolute albatross around Labour's neck as they crash or crash through towards net zero and renewables that are supposedly they keep saying the cheapest form of energy, yet which keep driving everyone's power bills up. And the fact is our power bills are up more than one thousand dollars per household in some cases since this government took office. And let's not even get started on the effect, the crippling effect on businesses. They're trying to keep the lights on and the machines going and everything else. So this two hundred and seventy five dollars question, well, guess what it's going to keep coming up over and over again this campaign. And yet despite this fact, Anthony Albinisi doesn't have a good answer to the question.

The two hundred and seventy five dollars promise is an absolute albatross around Labour's neck as they crash or crash through towards net zero and renewables that are supposedly they keep saying the cheapest form of energy, yet which keep driving everyone's power bills up. And the fact is our power bills are up more than one thousand dollars per household in some cases since this government took office. And let's not even get started on the effect, the crippling effect on businesses. They're trying to keep the lights on and the machines going and everything else. So this two hundred and seventy five dollars question, well, guess what it's going to keep coming up over and over again this campaign. And yet despite this fact, Anthony Albinisi doesn't have a good answer to the question.

Let's talk about power prices.

Let's talk about power prices.

You just bought it up there three years ago during the last election you did promised to lower those power prices by two hundred and seventy five bucks by twenty twenty five.

You just bought it up there three years ago during the last election you did promised to lower those power prices by two hundred and seventy five bucks by twenty twenty five.

Is that going to happen?

Is that going to happen?

Done?

Done?

Has put in place three hundred dollars reduction in everyone's power bills. That's had a real impact for people in reducing power bills here in Queensland. That was added to by a one thousand dollars by the former Queensland government as well. What we saw globally was a spike in energy prices, in part due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That was something that has had an impact globally. We've done what we can to insulate Australia from that global spike.

Has put in place three hundred dollars reduction in everyone's power bills. That's had a real impact for people in reducing power bills here in Queensland. That was added to by a one thousand dollars by the former Queensland government as well. What we saw globally was a spike in energy prices, in part due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That was something that has had an impact globally. We've done what we can to insulate Australia from that global spike.

Is still blaming Ukraine despite energy prices settling right back down to where they were before the Russian invasion. No, I'm sorry this and the cost of living in general has to be sheeted home to the people who've been in power for two and a half years, weted a whole year of that time on the voice and blame those who came before them for this mess. Well, Attorney General Mark Drayfuss, as I said before, is planning a trip to Israel as a relationship between Alban Easy and Bibi Netanya, who and their governments continues to fracture Following a spate of anti Israel at Taxi City in Melbourne, Sydney's most senior Jewish MP will spend a week in Israel after canceling a planned visit in October of last year. Joining me now to discuss this and so much more is my very good friend Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis and my other very good friend, Sky News host Liz Storer.

Is still blaming Ukraine despite energy prices settling right back down to where they were before the Russian invasion. No, I'm sorry this and the cost of living in general has to be sheeted home to the people who've been in power for two and a half years, weted a whole year of that time on the voice and blame those who came before them for this mess. Well, Attorney General Mark Drayfuss, as I said before, is planning a trip to Israel as a relationship between Alban Easy and Bibi Netanya, who and their governments continues to fracture Following a spate of anti Israel at Taxi City in Melbourne, Sydney's most senior Jewish MP will spend a week in Israel after canceling a planned visit in October of last year. Joining me now to discuss this and so much more is my very good friend Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis and my other very good friend, Sky News host Liz Storer.

Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello.

Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello.

Great to see you now, James. Before I get to this trip, though, I want to just ask you, because you know we work together the Day Telegraph. You've got a great story that you're working on the Telegraph. Tell us a little bit about it because I want people to go out and check this out tomorrow and the paper hits the Newsteps.

Great to see you now, James. Before I get to this trip, though, I want to just ask you, because you know we work together the Day Telegraph. You've got a great story that you're working on the Telegraph. Tell us a little bit about it because I want people to go out and check this out tomorrow and the paper hits the Newsteps.

Yeah, it was interesting.

Yeah, it was interesting.

We've had a response in the last two hours, a rare de spawn from the Australian the ADF, the Defense Force, because we made some inquiries today off the back of a number of people coming to us to say their kids had waited between twelve and eighteen months from the moment they applied to the moment they actually got in to get it to the vents.

We've had a response in the last two hours, a rare de spawn from the Australian the ADF, the Defense Force, because we made some inquiries today off the back of a number of people coming to us to say their kids had waited between twelve and eighteen months from the moment they applied to the moment they actually got in to get it to the vents.

Now, these are fit young kids.

Now, these are fit young kids.

They might have had, you know, a minor issue as a kid, like an asthma or something like that, but they were waiting eighteen months in some cases to get into the army.

They might have had, you know, a minor issue as a kid, like an asthma or something like that, but they were waiting eighteen months in some cases to get into the army.

We are meant to have this massive shortage of troops.

We are meant to have this massive shortage of troops.

We learned today that the recruitment with the ADF has been outsourced to a Swiss firm to the tune of one point wow billion dollars. Defense has said they're underperforming. But the development tomorrow, which is quite amazing, James, is that last year sixty four thousand people, which is actually bigger than the size of our ADF, applied to get into the Defense Force, and yet we can't get them out the other end. And because they've outsourced this service, people are just getting stick and the traps, in a lot of cases giving up and just say I'm going to do something else instead.

We learned today that the recruitment with the ADF has been outsourced to a Swiss firm to the tune of one point wow billion dollars. Defense has said they're underperforming. But the development tomorrow, which is quite amazing, James, is that last year sixty four thousand people, which is actually bigger than the size of our ADF, applied to get into the Defense Force, and yet we can't get them out the other end. And because they've outsourced this service, people are just getting stick and the traps, in a lot of cases giving up and just say I'm going to do something else instead.

This is absolutely sharking, Jemes, and you're wrong going to check this out to borrow on the deal in Telegraph. So thanks for bringing us up to spin on that. But I want to get back now to the other big news, this big trip here and Cheval'll stick with you here. With Liberal MP Julian Lisa calling this a pre election trick, it's hard to disagree with that. What do you reckon?

This is absolutely sharking, Jemes, and you're wrong going to check this out to borrow on the deal in Telegraph. So thanks for bringing us up to spin on that. But I want to get back now to the other big news, this big trip here and Cheval'll stick with you here. With Liberal MP Julian Lisa calling this a pre election trick, it's hard to disagree with that. What do you reckon?

Well, I think, in isolation, I think it's difficult to be critical of the idea of Mark Dreyfus wanting to go to Israel. I think he's an appropriate person to go. But the problem for Labor is whatever decisions they make at this point in time are going to be seen as too little, too late when based on what you've said on the international stage, some of their reactions to some of the local events that we've seen in Sydney and Melbourne, and some of the senior in this is particularly in Sydney where there are large Muslim electorates that have been largely quiet on this issue. So in isolation, I don't think this makes it any worse.

Well, I think, in isolation, I think it's difficult to be critical of the idea of Mark Dreyfus wanting to go to Israel. I think he's an appropriate person to go. But the problem for Labor is whatever decisions they make at this point in time are going to be seen as too little, too late when based on what you've said on the international stage, some of their reactions to some of the local events that we've seen in Sydney and Melbourne, and some of the senior in this is particularly in Sydney where there are large Muslim electorates that have been largely quiet on this issue. So in isolation, I don't think this makes it any worse.

But look, Labor has been far too slow to the party on this issue.

But look, Labor has been far too slow to the party on this issue.

Well that's right, Jemes Liz Storer, though, I mean this seems very much like, you know, after months and months, really more than a year of just you know, mismanagement of this issue and going in for the most left wing and pandering approach to Israel. Suddenly they're trying to shift gears right before an election. Do they just expect people to forget everything they've done, including you know, denying visas to enter the country to former Israeli cabinet ministers.

Well that's right, Jemes Liz Storer, though, I mean this seems very much like, you know, after months and months, really more than a year of just you know, mismanagement of this issue and going in for the most left wing and pandering approach to Israel. Suddenly they're trying to shift gears right before an election. Do they just expect people to forget everything they've done, including you know, denying visas to enter the country to former Israeli cabinet ministers.

They don't just expect it.

They don't just expect it.

They are counting on it. And I got to disagree with James because I don't think it's hard to take a problem with Mark Dreyfus wanting to go at all.

They are counting on it. And I got to disagree with James because I don't think it's hard to take a problem with Mark Dreyfus wanting to go at all.

I have often thought that if I were Mark.

I have often thought that if I were Mark.

Dreyfus, I would have stepped down from cabinet by now, because since October seven, all my government, the government that I am serving in the cabinet of has done is mouth off from the sidelines at what my country's up to, just trying to defend their right to exist. Obviously, he hasn't been among that number, but he shares a front bench with me many who share very anti Israel sentiments. They've done nothing to hide it, and he has just been silent on them, as you've got to be if you're part of Labor caucus.

Dreyfus, I would have stepped down from cabinet by now, because since October seven, all my government, the government that I am serving in the cabinet of has done is mouth off from the sidelines at what my country's up to, just trying to defend their right to exist. Obviously, he hasn't been among that number, but he shares a front bench with me many who share very anti Israel sentiments. They've done nothing to hide it, and he has just been silent on them, as you've got to be if you're part of Labor caucus.

But if this was a man of.

But if this was a man of.

Conviction, I dare say at the very least he would have stepped.

Conviction, I dare say at the very least he would have stepped.

Down from cabinet by now.

Down from cabinet by now.

But this is the point where it gets so bad it's almost comical. All of a sudden, they're like, let's just roll out the Jewish guy on cabinet, see if we can do damage control.

But this is the point where it gets so bad it's almost comical. All of a sudden, they're like, let's just roll out the Jewish guy on cabinet, see if we can do damage control.

I think looking principle in the Labor Party is you know you need to might need to find a microscope for that. Liz A.

I think looking principle in the Labor Party is you know you need to might need to find a microscope for that. Liz A.

Wiltho note that.

Wiltho note that.

If Mark Dreyfus has any as a Jewish man serving in this anti Israel government, surely you could expect better from him.

If Mark Dreyfus has any as a Jewish man serving in this anti Israel government, surely you could expect better from him.

I think you're standing down though. I think I think like he can.

I think you're standing down though. I think I think like he can.

Show leadership and represent the Jewish community in his role.

Show leadership and represent the Jewish community in his role.

Has fair enough, I think for sure. But it's exposed.

Has fair enough, I think for sure. But it's exposed.

It's rather we're not going to.

It's rather we're not going to.

And as he tried, the guy lost, yees. So I don't think we should be too hash to Moa.

And as he tried, the guy lost, yees. So I don't think we should be too hash to Moa.

We should be harsh on Alben Easy for this very cynical attempt to tuck the Jewish community back in at this very late date.

We should be harsh on Alben Easy for this very cynical attempt to tuck the Jewish community back in at this very late date.

We're not gonna solve. We're not gonna.

We're not gonna solve. We're not gonna.

Solve the Middle East though, on this on this set, which we like to call Camp David. But I do want to talk more about this election that's coming up, because you know, of course cost of living is the other huge thing, and the Prime Minister has been spending cash all over the place, seven million dollars for queens Land Bruce Highway. But here's the thing, he's not saying anything about whether there's gonna be any tax changes in the platform coming up.

Solve the Middle East though, on this on this set, which we like to call Camp David. But I do want to talk more about this election that's coming up, because you know, of course cost of living is the other huge thing, and the Prime Minister has been spending cash all over the place, seven million dollars for queens Land Bruce Highway. But here's the thing, he's not saying anything about whether there's gonna be any tax changes in the platform coming up.

To the election.

To the election.

As we now see the tax take in this country continue to increase. Now this, James Willis, seems like there is so much need for reform here. The tax take in this country is now income taxes make up fifty three point five percent of the federal income tax. That's before booze tax, petrol tax, the other tax that they charge. This is you know, this was supposed to end at COVID. It's not ended. It's stuck. How bad is this? Well, the figures.

As we now see the tax take in this country continue to increase. Now this, James Willis, seems like there is so much need for reform here. The tax take in this country is now income taxes make up fifty three point five percent of the federal income tax. That's before booze tax, petrol tax, the other tax that they charge. This is you know, this was supposed to end at COVID. It's not ended. It's stuck. How bad is this? Well, the figures.

That you're highlighted the significant and is obviously an issue for business and the taxes that they've had as well.

That you're highlighted the significant and is obviously an issue for business and the taxes that they've had as well.

I think for both sides.

I think for both sides.

One of the most uninspiring things we've seen since COVID is the lack of genuine debate around reform about that system and actually get.

One of the most uninspiring things we've seen since COVID is the lack of genuine debate around reform about that system and actually get.

The economy moving in the right direction.

The economy moving in the right direction.

Instead in the last two years, all we've had is record government spending, a giant bureaucracy, energy rebates. The reality is most people want to be left alone. Well, yeah, we're able to work, earn money, and.

Instead in the last two years, all we've had is record government spending, a giant bureaucracy, energy rebates. The reality is most people want to be left alone. Well, yeah, we're able to work, earn money, and.

Governments get out of their lives. Really we've had none of that debate.

Governments get out of their lives. Really we've had none of that debate.

But Liz, we've got a bigger tax, take a bigger share of GDP going to government, you know that we've had in decades. Have we got to the point now where politically it's impossible to talk about it? In that's real reform because reform creates winners and losers, and some people who are doing inefficient things are going to wind up losing out because we make the ecout more efficient. Are we now in a where we can't even politically talk about reform?

But Liz, we've got a bigger tax, take a bigger share of GDP going to government, you know that we've had in decades. Have we got to the point now where politically it's impossible to talk about it? In that's real reform because reform creates winners and losers, and some people who are doing inefficient things are going to wind up losing out because we make the ecout more efficient. Are we now in a where we can't even politically talk about reform?

I hope not, because this is something that Trump has certainly taken in America by the gonads and is currently swinging around his head most gleefully.

I hope not, because this is something that Trump has certainly taken in America by the gonads and is currently swinging around his head most gleefully.

That's lovely.

That's lovely.

The entire government departments, namely the Federal Department of Education. He's got his mates Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami heading up dog the Department of Government Officialcy. He's talking dooge, my bad you know, he's talking about absolutely gutting entire departments.

The entire government departments, namely the Federal Department of Education. He's got his mates Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami heading up dog the Department of Government Officialcy. He's talking dooge, my bad you know, he's talking about absolutely gutting entire departments.

I often say, of.

I often say, of.

The ridiculous taxes that we're coping now, we wouldn't mind so much if this was being well spent. There are countries like Germany where an over fifty percent tax bracket is pretty much the norm and everyone's used of it. But things run well and a lot of things are free, which is not the case here. What we have is government and overspending on the most ridiculous things that the average person he doesn't pass the pub test. But for me, it doesn't matter what promises, tax related or other the Labor government takes to the election, because we all know, given the promises they took to the last election, they don't last long list.

The ridiculous taxes that we're coping now, we wouldn't mind so much if this was being well spent. There are countries like Germany where an over fifty percent tax bracket is pretty much the norm and everyone's used of it. But things run well and a lot of things are free, which is not the case here. What we have is government and overspending on the most ridiculous things that the average person he doesn't pass the pub test. But for me, it doesn't matter what promises, tax related or other the Labor government takes to the election, because we all know, given the promises they took to the last election, they don't last long list.

Liz, I'm glad you have mentioned Germany because of words. Germany is a country that shut down all their nuclear reactors and now they're relying on wind and solar and their intercession, and they're poor. They can't make anything anymore. But are we learning the lesson here in Australia Because after a two billion dollar proposed project was shelved Kingston and South Australia last week, finally some good news. It seems all of South Australia's offshore wind industry is dead in the water. Following the action of the Port McDowell project in March last year, James Willis, it seems like there's suddenly a big shift saying maybe we don't have to destroy the environment to save the environment. Is it time for labor to give up on this whole wind a dry well?

Liz, I'm glad you have mentioned Germany because of words. Germany is a country that shut down all their nuclear reactors and now they're relying on wind and solar and their intercession, and they're poor. They can't make anything anymore. But are we learning the lesson here in Australia Because after a two billion dollar proposed project was shelved Kingston and South Australia last week, finally some good news. It seems all of South Australia's offshore wind industry is dead in the water. Following the action of the Port McDowell project in March last year, James Willis, it seems like there's suddenly a big shift saying maybe we don't have to destroy the environment to save the environment. Is it time for labor to give up on this whole wind a dry well?

I think the thing that people have badly underestimated with this net zero transition is the social license you need with farmers. And there's now compensation deals going on all over the country because people go, well, hang on, this is a massive, you know, harbor bridge sized tower in my backyard. And the environmental impacts which are the reason that we block a lot of gas projects and traditional fossil fuel projects and mines and stuff like that. But we've heard people like Bob Brown in Tasmania so that wind farms shouldn't go ahead because there's ten parrots of this particular species left and these things are going on. And the problem with wind is most of the time it's not very effective, and it's being put in parts of the country where there's not all that much wind without issues on the Yellawarra and for most people it's the social license where farmers simply don't want it in their backyard because of their land values.

I think the thing that people have badly underestimated with this net zero transition is the social license you need with farmers. And there's now compensation deals going on all over the country because people go, well, hang on, this is a massive, you know, harbor bridge sized tower in my backyard. And the environmental impacts which are the reason that we block a lot of gas projects and traditional fossil fuel projects and mines and stuff like that. But we've heard people like Bob Brown in Tasmania so that wind farms shouldn't go ahead because there's ten parrots of this particular species left and these things are going on. And the problem with wind is most of the time it's not very effective, and it's being put in parts of the country where there's not all that much wind without issues on the Yellawarra and for most people it's the social license where farmers simply don't want it in their backyard because of their land values.

And Liz, you know, I have interviewed people who live around these solar forums and wind forums and what they're trying to do with the tear communities absolutely apart. I mean, it's it seems to me that this is a situation where the inner city greenies are forcing you know, the rooms as they think of them, who live out in the bush to pay the price for their green dreams.

And Liz, you know, I have interviewed people who live around these solar forums and wind forums and what they're trying to do with the tear communities absolutely apart. I mean, it's it seems to me that this is a situation where the inner city greenies are forcing you know, the rooms as they think of them, who live out in the bush to pay the price for their green dreams.

This is yet another class for it really is these elites, inner city elites or MPs even it's the powerful people punching down on the little guys.

This is yet another class for it really is these elites, inner city elites or MPs even it's the powerful people punching down on the little guys.

You have to pay for it. Nobody wants it in their backyard.

You have to pay for it. Nobody wants it in their backyard.

But I must say this project falling over is such a gift to the Libs coming up on this election because yet again it's like Labour's never going to deliver on their eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty, that is now just five years away.

But I must say this project falling over is such a gift to the Libs coming up on this election because yet again it's like Labour's never going to deliver on their eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty, that is now just five years away.

It was always pie.

It was always pie.

In the sky, unicorn nonsense. And once again every time one of these projects falls over, all the Libs have to do is sit back, laugh and say we told you.

In the sky, unicorn nonsense. And once again every time one of these projects falls over, all the Libs have to do is sit back, laugh and say we told you.

So well, big o, and I think we're going to see a lot more of that. James willis Liz Door. Thank you so much. Now let's head over to news from the United States, where Vice President Kamala Harris has officially certified her own election loss to Donald Trump. To discuss this and more, I'm joined by Sky News contributor Kosha Gatta. Kosha, great to see you and thanks so much for joining me tonight on credit and what did you make of this phenomenally unusual circumstance is seeing the vice president certify their own election loss.

So well, big o, and I think we're going to see a lot more of that. James willis Liz Door. Thank you so much. Now let's head over to news from the United States, where Vice President Kamala Harris has officially certified her own election loss to Donald Trump. To discuss this and more, I'm joined by Sky News contributor Kosha Gatta. Kosha, great to see you and thanks so much for joining me tonight on credit and what did you make of this phenomenally unusual circumstance is seeing the vice president certify their own election loss.

Great to be with you, James, as always, you know it is not very common. Nixon, Gore and Mike Pence infamously last time come to mind in recent memory.

Great to be with you, James, as always, you know it is not very common. Nixon, Gore and Mike Pence infamously last time come to mind in recent memory.

Is people had to do that.

Is people had to do that.

And when you zoom out and look back to the lens of history, I think people can ascertain where those people ended up falling out, especially Gore, Pence, etc. So you know, it's something that ultimately will go in the dustment of history, as they say, but at that time when it does happen.

And when you zoom out and look back to the lens of history, I think people can ascertain where those people ended up falling out, especially Gore, Pence, etc. So you know, it's something that ultimately will go in the dustment of history, as they say, but at that time when it does happen.

It's interesting.

It's interesting.

On the one hand, you could look at it positively and it shows the system working and democracy and action where people fulfill their oath of office. And on the other hand, in this campaign, it's just kind of funny when you look at the way Kamala Harris was thrust into the race at the eleventh hour and then everything that transpired in those three months after that, and now this is sort of the cherry on the topping for Trump supporters for sure.

On the one hand, you could look at it positively and it shows the system working and democracy and action where people fulfill their oath of office. And on the other hand, in this campaign, it's just kind of funny when you look at the way Kamala Harris was thrust into the race at the eleventh hour and then everything that transpired in those three months after that, and now this is sort of the cherry on the topping for Trump supporters for sure.

And Kosher, what do you make of this sort of the blame game that's suddenly starting to play out on the Democrat Party and certainly among a lot of media supporters of the Democrats in the press who are now suddenly saying, oh, well, you know, we had no idea that Joe Biden was so bad, We had no idea that Kamala Harris was such a bad candidate, and that you know, she wasn't going to win. Do you think that there's any sort of self reflection now on the institutional left kind of put off a lot of the kind of the media in the United States into that category about the role they had in protecting Joe Biden and then also supporting a candidate who turned out to be as anybody would have seen the last election cycle of dud.

And Kosher, what do you make of this sort of the blame game that's suddenly starting to play out on the Democrat Party and certainly among a lot of media supporters of the Democrats in the press who are now suddenly saying, oh, well, you know, we had no idea that Joe Biden was so bad, We had no idea that Kamala Harris was such a bad candidate, and that you know, she wasn't going to win. Do you think that there's any sort of self reflection now on the institutional left kind of put off a lot of the kind of the media in the United States into that category about the role they had in protecting Joe Biden and then also supporting a candidate who turned out to be as anybody would have seen the last election cycle of dud.

You know, I would have to imagine when they're looking in the mirror at home, there is self reflection, for sure, but in the public arena you're seeing very very little of it. I think somebody on CNN just raised this and asked Chuck tchumor actually the other day, who was vehemently backing, how with it Biden was, and then two weeks later, after that infamous debate, completely change his tune and he was doubling down. There was no self reflection at all, and the media was kind of going along with it. But I'll give you credit for at least asking the question. I think it's the only example I can think of where they did that. And in terms of how it's playing out, you know, the media is in the mainstream media buy and large, with some notable exceptions, is really in a free fall as a business model and as in terms of a crisis of credibility, credibility and legitimacy that they face right now. And this issue I think is one of the biggest scandals ever. The cover up of how they hid and protected Biden's very obvious to all cognitive decline that I don't think history is going to judge them kindly, and you might see a lot of restructuring and consolidation of the media industry writ large over the next five to seven years.

You know, I would have to imagine when they're looking in the mirror at home, there is self reflection, for sure, but in the public arena you're seeing very very little of it. I think somebody on CNN just raised this and asked Chuck tchumor actually the other day, who was vehemently backing, how with it Biden was, and then two weeks later, after that infamous debate, completely change his tune and he was doubling down. There was no self reflection at all, and the media was kind of going along with it. But I'll give you credit for at least asking the question. I think it's the only example I can think of where they did that. And in terms of how it's playing out, you know, the media is in the mainstream media buy and large, with some notable exceptions, is really in a free fall as a business model and as in terms of a crisis of credibility, credibility and legitimacy that they face right now. And this issue I think is one of the biggest scandals ever. The cover up of how they hid and protected Biden's very obvious to all cognitive decline that I don't think history is going to judge them kindly, and you might see a lot of restructuring and consolidation of the media industry writ large over the next five to seven years.

I would imagine, I think you're absolutely right about that, Coach, and I'll just mind everybody to here. On Sky News, we were right on the pace about Joe Biden's decline. But let's go north of the border to Canada, because I think this is absolutely fascinating. With Prime Minister Justin Trudeau falling on his sword after nine years in power, following a whole bunch of internal pressure within his party, have a look.

I would imagine, I think you're absolutely right about that, Coach, and I'll just mind everybody to here. On Sky News, we were right on the pace about Joe Biden's decline. But let's go north of the border to Canada, because I think this is absolutely fascinating. With Prime Minister Justin Trudeau falling on his sword after nine years in power, following a whole bunch of internal pressure within his party, have a look.

This country deserves a real choice in the next election, and it has become clear to me that if I'm having to fight internal battles, I cannot be the best option in that election.

This country deserves a real choice in the next election, and it has become clear to me that if I'm having to fight internal battles, I cannot be the best option in that election.

Now, Conservative leader Pierre Poiliev, who looks to be the odds on favor to become the next prime minister, has slam Trudeau's Liberal party following the resignation announcement.

Now, Conservative leader Pierre Poiliev, who looks to be the odds on favor to become the next prime minister, has slam Trudeau's Liberal party following the resignation announcement.

Every Liberal MP in power today and every potential Liberal leadership contender fighting for the top job helped Justin Trudeau break the country over the last nine years. Their only objection is that he is no longer popular enough to win an election and keep them in power.

Every Liberal MP in power today and every potential Liberal leadership contender fighting for the top job helped Justin Trudeau break the country over the last nine years. Their only objection is that he is no longer popular enough to win an election and keep them in power.

Now, Kosha, I've written about Pierre pauliev for Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. But what do you know about him? And what sort of leader do you think he'll be if he becomes Prime minister later this year at the election? Will there be warmer relations between him and Donald Trump than between Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau? Which we're always fairly comically frosty.

Now, Kosha, I've written about Pierre pauliev for Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. But what do you know about him? And what sort of leader do you think he'll be if he becomes Prime minister later this year at the election? Will there be warmer relations between him and Donald Trump than between Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau? Which we're always fairly comically frosty.

Indeed, you know, there are always things you know about somebody and then when they actually step into the arena you see other things about them.

Indeed, you know, there are always things you know about somebody and then when they actually step into the arena you see other things about them.

So I think everyone will have to wait and see.

So I think everyone will have to wait and see.

But in general, mister Pierre, he does seem to have populist tendencies a little bit, I would say, make Canada great again light in terms of his positions on certain issues, immigration, cost of living, government spending and all the rest of it.

But in general, mister Pierre, he does seem to have populist tendencies a little bit, I would say, make Canada great again light in terms of his positions on certain issues, immigration, cost of living, government spending and all the rest of it.

For an intervention and all that.

For an intervention and all that.

He does also seem to have the art of rhetoric, which is useful. There were some viral clips of him being harassed by a reporter and an.

He does also seem to have the art of rhetoric, which is useful. There were some viral clips of him being harassed by a reporter and an.

Orchard and how he flipped it.

Orchard and how he flipped it.

It's actually Kosha eating an apple.

It's actually Kosha eating an apple.

Let's actually have a look at that, because we've got that crab here. Let's play a little bit of this for people who might not have seen this to get a flavor of Pierre pauliev. A lot of people would would say that you're simply taking a page out of the.

Let's actually have a look at that, because we've got that crab here. Let's play a little bit of this for people who might not have seen this to get a flavor of Pierre pauliev. A lot of people would would say that you're simply taking a page out of the.

Donald Trump like which people would say that, well, I'm sure.

Donald Trump like which people would say that, well, I'm sure.

A great many Canadians, but like who, I don't know who, but you're the one who asks the question, so yeah, you must know somebody.

A great many Canadians, but like who, I don't know who, but you're the one who asks the question, so yeah, you must know somebody.

Okay, I'm sure there's some out there.

Okay, I'm sure there's some out there.

But anyways, in a sense, Kosha, doesn't that get back to what we were speaking about a moment before about the nature of the media and how people don't trust the media to play it straight in the United States or North America for that matter.

But anyways, in a sense, Kosha, doesn't that get back to what we were speaking about a moment before about the nature of the media and how people don't trust the media to play it straight in the United States or North America for that matter.

Yes, or in liberal democracies everywhere. Indeed, Yeah, I think that's the thing. The wide open playbook available to mister Pierre and to anybody really in the Western world is those two issues, immigration and inflation, because they're the biggest that the constituency is demanding and neither party has done a sufficient job addressing their grievances. And secondly, the art of the rhetoric and being able to go into a very by and large left leaning or left friendly media and adversarial reporters and take them down in a cool, calm, funny way, whatever the individual style may be. So he definitely demonstrated that there that clip I think is what made him shoot up to international fame from that regard. As long as he does those two things, pursues that policy agenda, and is able to do battle with the media, he's got a real shot right now because the Labor Party over there is very unpopular. Whoever replaces Trudeau is only going to cement that even further, and so there's a wide opening and we'll see if he takes it.

Yes, or in liberal democracies everywhere. Indeed, Yeah, I think that's the thing. The wide open playbook available to mister Pierre and to anybody really in the Western world is those two issues, immigration and inflation, because they're the biggest that the constituency is demanding and neither party has done a sufficient job addressing their grievances. And secondly, the art of the rhetoric and being able to go into a very by and large left leaning or left friendly media and adversarial reporters and take them down in a cool, calm, funny way, whatever the individual style may be. So he definitely demonstrated that there that clip I think is what made him shoot up to international fame from that regard. As long as he does those two things, pursues that policy agenda, and is able to do battle with the media, he's got a real shot right now because the Labor Party over there is very unpopular. Whoever replaces Trudeau is only going to cement that even further, and so there's a wide opening and we'll see if he takes it.

I think you're absolutely right there, Kosha Gatta, thank you so much for your time, Really appreciate it. Now stick around because after the break, with housing and migration shaping up to be a top election issue for voters, how are the parties going to address these vexed problems? Expert analysis with Emily Dye after the break, welcome back to the program. Well, Housing affordability and the impacts of Record Mike are set to be two major concerns for voters heading into this year's federal election, which is going to be called in just a few weeks time. I reckon now. In fact, it turns out that the housing crisis has topped the list of concerns for business leaders in a new survey by KPMG. KPMG part of me, with almost half of these individuals pulled believing it poses a real risk to businesses as well. For more to chat about this, I am joined by Emily Die from the Center for Independent Studies. Emily, thank you so much for coming on the program tonight. We've had some really bad news out of Camber and the statistics around housing starts and housing approvals. And explain to me how in this housing market where we have so many people who are dying to get into a house, we're simply not even approving the houses that we need, much less build them.

I think you're absolutely right there, Kosha Gatta, thank you so much for your time, Really appreciate it. Now stick around because after the break, with housing and migration shaping up to be a top election issue for voters, how are the parties going to address these vexed problems? Expert analysis with Emily Dye after the break, welcome back to the program. Well, Housing affordability and the impacts of Record Mike are set to be two major concerns for voters heading into this year's federal election, which is going to be called in just a few weeks time. I reckon now. In fact, it turns out that the housing crisis has topped the list of concerns for business leaders in a new survey by KPMG. KPMG part of me, with almost half of these individuals pulled believing it poses a real risk to businesses as well. For more to chat about this, I am joined by Emily Die from the Center for Independent Studies. Emily, thank you so much for coming on the program tonight. We've had some really bad news out of Camber and the statistics around housing starts and housing approvals. And explain to me how in this housing market where we have so many people who are dying to get into a house, we're simply not even approving the houses that we need, much less build them.

Yeah, and we're not improving them where people want to live.

Yeah, and we're not improving them where people want to live.

I think this survey really shows KPMG is done that people are starting to notice that this is leaking into other sectors because people have these long commutes. We've not built the houses in the inner cities near the jobs, and so they're losing all of that productivity, all that time being forced to commute two hours in traffic, and that has all of these flow on effects, so the rest of the economy that we should be absolutely concerned about.

I think this survey really shows KPMG is done that people are starting to notice that this is leaking into other sectors because people have these long commutes. We've not built the houses in the inner cities near the jobs, and so they're losing all of that productivity, all that time being forced to commute two hours in traffic, and that has all of these flow on effects, so the rest of the economy that we should be absolutely concerned about.

It's the number one issue I would say in Australia.

It's the number one issue I would say in Australia.

Well, and I mean it's hard to untangle where the state responsibility begins and the federal government responsibility ends.

Well, and I mean it's hard to untangle where the state responsibility begins and the federal government responsibility ends.

And all of this.

And all of this.

Peopolie, the new or the opposition leader in Canada who's very likely to be the next prime minister, he has said that he would in Canada just hold federal funding to cities that don't approve the right number of houses. Would you support something like that, and what is labor doing about?

Peopolie, the new or the opposition leader in Canada who's very likely to be the next prime minister, he has said that he would in Canada just hold federal funding to cities that don't approve the right number of houses. Would you support something like that, and what is labor doing about?

I think he's one of the most interesting leaders that we've seen in the Western world on this issue. And I'm fully on board with that kind of idea. Yeah, you don't build houses, No, you don't get the money. Why would we put money into building say infrastructure, train lines and that kind of thing if it's only going to be single family housing around those train lines, Like, if we're going to put that kind of taxpayer investment in, then yet we should be making it so that more people can use those kinds of resources.

I think he's one of the most interesting leaders that we've seen in the Western world on this issue. And I'm fully on board with that kind of idea. Yeah, you don't build houses, No, you don't get the money. Why would we put money into building say infrastructure, train lines and that kind of thing if it's only going to be single family housing around those train lines, Like, if we're going to put that kind of taxpayer investment in, then yet we should be making it so that more people can use those kinds of resources.

What do you make of the coalition's take on all of this, which is to say, well, you know, Actually you need to build the infrastructure out in all of these places because actually people do people aren't going to want to live in houses. You can't just have everybody in apartments, you know. Is that also a worthwhile approach explored?

What do you make of the coalition's take on all of this, which is to say, well, you know, Actually you need to build the infrastructure out in all of these places because actually people do people aren't going to want to live in houses. You can't just have everybody in apartments, you know. Is that also a worthwhile approach explored?

Well, I think we should do all of the above, Like people need choice, but there's a significant number of people that do want to live in them in the inner city, particularly younger people, and that's where we end up with issues of people not.

Well, I think we should do all of the above, Like people need choice, but there's a significant number of people that do want to live in them in the inner city, particularly younger people, and that's where we end up with issues of people not.

Being close to those jobs.

Being close to those jobs.

So yes, I think that trying to push people into outer areas is a great idea building up more cities. The fact that Australia has so few cities is incredibly problematic. But the issues that are plaguing our major cities Sydney, Melbourne are the same issues that we're seeing in small town Australia and places like Ballarat like there are also lots of restrictions and the same sort of thinking and mindsets that are also restricting buildings. So unless we can fix that approval process, the infrastructure is not going to fix it.

So yes, I think that trying to push people into outer areas is a great idea building up more cities. The fact that Australia has so few cities is incredibly problematic. But the issues that are plaguing our major cities Sydney, Melbourne are the same issues that we're seeing in small town Australia and places like Ballarat like there are also lots of restrictions and the same sort of thinking and mindsets that are also restricting buildings. So unless we can fix that approval process, the infrastructure is not going to fix it.

Now we're talking about the supply here, but the other side to this equation is of course demand, and we have to We've spoken about this, yes here, but this issue of migration here, we have been seeing a record surge in migrants over the past several years. We are in a per capita recession here. It's essentially I think migration is the only thing the government has. It's sort of propping up the official numbers. It looks been like a Ponzi scheme. Frankly to an awful lot of people. Why don't we just simply turn down that tap a bit, Because the more people you bring in, the more people are in places people going to need to live. It is supply and demand, isn't it.

Now we're talking about the supply here, but the other side to this equation is of course demand, and we have to We've spoken about this, yes here, but this issue of migration here, we have been seeing a record surge in migrants over the past several years. We are in a per capita recession here. It's essentially I think migration is the only thing the government has. It's sort of propping up the official numbers. It looks been like a Ponzi scheme. Frankly to an awful lot of people. Why don't we just simply turn down that tap a bit, Because the more people you bring in, the more people are in places people going to need to live. It is supply and demand, isn't it.

Well, demand is definitely part of the equation.

Well, demand is definitely part of the equation.

I'm not going to say that no, immigration doesn't have any impact on the price of housing.

I'm not going to say that no, immigration doesn't have any impact on the price of housing.

However, it's not the cause.

However, it's not the cause.

The cause is because we've restricted the amount of housing we can have. If we allow that to open up and we get those immigrants state building the houses, then we will have we won't have the same problem that we have right now.

The cause is because we've restricted the amount of housing we can have. If we allow that to open up and we get those immigrants state building the houses, then we will have we won't have the same problem that we have right now.

But there's only a tidy number of people who come in on our skilled visa programs who are actually trades. It seems like the idea that bringing in trades to build more homes, to bring in more trades. It seems again, it seems like you're sort of in a vicious cycle. What do we do about this economy that is, you know, we're not doing anything in terms of being more efficient, We're not doing reform. We're just simply, you know, relying on a few industries, and one of them is frankly, you know, churning out visas. And what does that do for social cohesion?

But there's only a tidy number of people who come in on our skilled visa programs who are actually trades. It seems like the idea that bringing in trades to build more homes, to bring in more trades. It seems again, it seems like you're sort of in a vicious cycle. What do we do about this economy that is, you know, we're not doing anything in terms of being more efficient, We're not doing reform. We're just simply, you know, relying on a few industries, and one of them is frankly, you know, churning out visas. And what does that do for social cohesion?

I think the efficiency thing is really interesting, particularly around visas. I think the right in particular, we're against the idea that the state would micromanage capital like that's a very pro capitalist idea, and yet when it comes to human capital, probably one of the most important sources of capital and growth for an economy, we want to dictate exactly what jobs where people should be. How any put these quota systems in place instead of letting the market act, And I think that that would be the best policy is allowing a more free market approach to immigration.

I think the efficiency thing is really interesting, particularly around visas. I think the right in particular, we're against the idea that the state would micromanage capital like that's a very pro capitalist idea, and yet when it comes to human capital, probably one of the most important sources of capital and growth for an economy, we want to dictate exactly what jobs where people should be. How any put these quota systems in place instead of letting the market act, And I think that that would be the best policy is allowing a more free market approach to immigration.

Sure, but let me just put this one out here, because this is a fascinating discussion, and I think, you know, there's an awful lot to unpick about this. If you treat something like migration, if you treat people as capital I you just sort of you know, units within an economy. What do you do about the problem with people who want to come here. You know, maybe they want to make money, that is great, but they don't want to integrate, they want to you know, we've seen all sorts of problems with social cohesion in this country where people have brought their animosities and their conflicts from overseas and are determined to act them out on the streets of our cities. Surely that's not a benefit of immigration.

Sure, but let me just put this one out here, because this is a fascinating discussion, and I think, you know, there's an awful lot to unpick about this. If you treat something like migration, if you treat people as capital I you just sort of you know, units within an economy. What do you do about the problem with people who want to come here. You know, maybe they want to make money, that is great, but they don't want to integrate, they want to you know, we've seen all sorts of problems with social cohesion in this country where people have brought their animosities and their conflicts from overseas and are determined to act them out on the streets of our cities. Surely that's not a benefit of immigration.

I think there's two different questions when it comes to immigration.

I think there's two different questions when it comes to immigration.

The economic question, which I think is pretty well solved by constant immigrants are great boon. They provide lots of value, They contribute in a bit more businesses. They are interestingly entreprenurial, like two of us or two examples. When it comes to culturally, I think we should be very set on enforcing our rule of law in Australia. I don't think you can commit acts of violence, acts of terrorism. If an immigrant group is acting badly, they should have the full fair to force the law come down on them. As a result, as long as we're enforcing our Australian ideas, people come and they they're signing a social contract when they come to Australia that yes, we're going to abide by what Australian society is.

The economic question, which I think is pretty well solved by constant immigrants are great boon. They provide lots of value, They contribute in a bit more businesses. They are interestingly entreprenurial, like two of us or two examples. When it comes to culturally, I think we should be very set on enforcing our rule of law in Australia. I don't think you can commit acts of violence, acts of terrorism. If an immigrant group is acting badly, they should have the full fair to force the law come down on them. As a result, as long as we're enforcing our Australian ideas, people come and they they're signing a social contract when they come to Australia that yes, we're going to abide by what Australian society is.

Our girls have to go to school. If they're a culture that teaches that girls don't go to school.

Our girls have to go to school. If they're a culture that teaches that girls don't go to school.

Hey, before we go, I want to talk also about misinformation because this is I think, you know, one of the most sinister things that Labor has tried to pull was that Misinformation Bill. Now they pulled the bill last year following a lot of opposition from the coalitions. And yes, let's give them some snaps the Greens, thank you very much for this one thing, the broken clock right twice a day. But I'm concerned because I look around the world and everywhere it seems like democracies are in the name of protecting what they call our democracy, are trying this again. Do you think Labor, if they come back in with another term, are going to have another bite of this app Oh?

Hey, before we go, I want to talk also about misinformation because this is I think, you know, one of the most sinister things that Labor has tried to pull was that Misinformation Bill. Now they pulled the bill last year following a lot of opposition from the coalitions. And yes, let's give them some snaps the Greens, thank you very much for this one thing, the broken clock right twice a day. But I'm concerned because I look around the world and everywhere it seems like democracies are in the name of protecting what they call our democracy, are trying this again. Do you think Labor, if they come back in with another term, are going to have another bite of this app Oh?

Absolutely. I don't think this issue is going to bed anytime soon.

Absolutely. I don't think this issue is going to bed anytime soon.

One of the things that I was concerned about last year's wal the misinformation Bill failed. The under sixteen Bill did pass, and what that does is it removes the option for anonymity on the internet. So if you're a whistleblower, if you want to call out politicians and you want to do that without your name being put to it, that's no longer the case and you could be prosecuted, possibly like has happened in the UK. That is where I'm afraid.

One of the things that I was concerned about last year's wal the misinformation Bill failed. The under sixteen Bill did pass, and what that does is it removes the option for anonymity on the internet. So if you're a whistleblower, if you want to call out politicians and you want to do that without your name being put to it, that's no longer the case and you could be prosecuted, possibly like has happened in the UK. That is where I'm afraid.

Yeah, no, fair enough. Listen, Emily died. Thank you so much for your time, but really appreciate it. Now, don't go anywhere because after the break, Yes, it's Australia just around the corner. I'm looking forward to it, but not everybody else is. We are in peaked virtue, singing seasoned folks. But have we finally had enough of the divide? Have be some hope after the break? Welcome back to the program. Well, guess what Australia Day is almost here. It's fast approaching, so of course that can mean only one thing. No, not sausages and beer. It's the big debate about changing the date. It's heating up once again now. Multiple local councils are once again planning to hold their citizenship ceremonies on a different day. Thank you Anthony Albinezi for that, and you can bet there will be Invasion Day protests around the country on January sixth, twenty six. In response, a new historian, Professor Angela Wolcott, has claimed that the debate around January is twenty six will go on forever. Well, she might be right about that, but then she has also said that a change of date is the only way to quote clear the deck.

Yeah, no, fair enough. Listen, Emily died. Thank you so much for your time, but really appreciate it. Now, don't go anywhere because after the break, Yes, it's Australia just around the corner. I'm looking forward to it, but not everybody else is. We are in peaked virtue, singing seasoned folks. But have we finally had enough of the divide? Have be some hope after the break? Welcome back to the program. Well, guess what Australia Day is almost here. It's fast approaching, so of course that can mean only one thing. No, not sausages and beer. It's the big debate about changing the date. It's heating up once again now. Multiple local councils are once again planning to hold their citizenship ceremonies on a different day. Thank you Anthony Albinezi for that, and you can bet there will be Invasion Day protests around the country on January sixth, twenty six. In response, a new historian, Professor Angela Wolcott, has claimed that the debate around January is twenty six will go on forever. Well, she might be right about that, but then she has also said that a change of date is the only way to quote clear the deck.

I'm not so sure.

I'm not so sure.

I'm not sure. My next guest is either Sky News contributor Roco Lecano. Roco, thank you so much for coming along this evening. I'm happy Early Australia Day. Do you think, though, as in professor suggest that a new deed would actually resolve tensions or would the activist just find something new to protest.

I'm not sure. My next guest is either Sky News contributor Roco Lecano. Roco, thank you so much for coming along this evening. I'm happy Early Australia Day. Do you think, though, as in professor suggest that a new deed would actually resolve tensions or would the activist just find something new to protest.

Early Australia though? To you, James, happening in your year as well. Look, change the data isn't going to solve anything, and if anything, it will create more division. And we have a poll so seriously, polls have come out of the last few years suggesting that a majority of Australians don't want to change, they're happy with it.

Early Australia though? To you, James, happening in your year as well. Look, change the data isn't going to solve anything, and if anything, it will create more division. And we have a poll so seriously, polls have come out of the last few years suggesting that a majority of Australians don't want to change, they're happy with it.

On January twenty six.