Hello everyone, Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome, Don's coming. There's dumb Welcome to the Return to the Shadows. Live. Here we are go into the Shadows live. Oh my goodness, let me get my comments upblicle you lovely people. Hi my lord, Hi everyone, We're getting there. Here we go now I found the comments by the angel. We are here and live, and there's Dan joining us the most special guests. Dam how does it feel here we are? It feels good. It feels good. I've gotta tell you it feels good. Um yeah, I made an espresso martini for the occasion. I didn't do a good job. It tastes mostly like Volka and coffee, but I gave it a stab. And this is where we're at. But without Magnu Spain, I think all cocktails are subpar. Almost spilt it everywhere. That would have been a nightmare start to all of this. I agree. I agree. We need I need. I needed Harry here. Also, by the way, we should start this off with a massive congratulations to Harry. Oh my gosh, that everything everywhere all at once? Team what an Oscar's I mean that suits from the beginning of the end and then seeing him on stage I cried a little. It was awesome. I bawled my eyes out. It's our you know, for a biscuit, it means a lot when your warlock fairy godfather wins an oscar. It's a big deal for the Shadow Fam. But hey, you know what else is a big deal? Tell me it has been a year since we started the podcast. There's like to the day. No, I don't. I don't know if it's to the day, I can't remember. But because when we recorded versus when we're released, it's it's very near to a year since we started podcast. And what a better way to celebrate the anniversary than to do a live show with you the Shadow Fam. No kidding. Our producers came up with the idea. They suggested it to us. We thought there was absolutely nothing better. We'll just start with the round of appause to our producers as well. Honestly, they've been the most fantastic team. They have been absolutely incredible. It's been a pleasure working with you, and hopefully we get a chance to work with each other again in the future. But that's enough about you, because it's not about you. It's about me and maybe Cat only a little. I think it's about the Shadow fam personally. Well, first thing, why don't you tell me Dom, what is your favorite part about making this podcast? It's tricky. There's there's so much that we have covered in this year. We did fifty something episodes a lot, and we covered everything from like how we started, how we got cast, all the way through it, how it ended behind the scenes to cast that we worked with, crew that we worked with, the weather, the elements, Toronto, all of the different things that we dealt with. I have to say, I think my favorite thing has been bringing on guests and hearing the different the different perspectives of how this show was created and being able to sort of explain and welcome people into a world of like this is how we do this, Like this it's not just what you see on the screen. There's a thousand people behind the scenes who put this together. And being able to spences with you guys listening and everyone else who is not on the live um has been really special. So we really, I personally have really enjoyed that and it's been my favorite thing. Yeah, I was going to say the exact same thing. You know, it's so nice. We get asked so many questions about how the show has made and how we did certain things, and there's only so much of that that we can explain from our perspective, and getting to bring people on like Milesdale and Glenn Warner and Drew Potter and all these amazing people who were there every single day in the trenches with us, or even you know, Darren McGuire, who were there every single day and making a show with us and are such experts in their field, but also getting to hear their perspective on a personal level, but also getting to hear their experience. He doesn't get what he wants and now he's look at this. This is going to be happening. The last time that I'm going to say it out loud. This is not your shoe. This is my shoe. It stands shoe, It stands to your boy, you're just borrowing it. But it's, you know, getting to hear the perspective of these people that we've grown so close to and grown to really love and respect their perspective on a personal level of what it was like to be a part of the show because they were so special us and getting to hear you know that the experience was also special for them means a lot. But speaking of special folks, we have we have Our next segment is something I'm so excited for. We've done the mail bag episodes, we've done our Instagram lives, we've chatted with all of you at conventions, but now we get to bring you into the podcast. So we've our producing team have preselected a few audience members to join in and chit chat for a little bit and ask their questions live on the show with us. Can't wait. People in the comments. But before we sort of dive in, people in the comments have been saying, my mike isn't loud enough. How is that I've moved it a little closer to my face? Is that better for everyone? In a better microphone space? Let's give it like ten seconds, see if anyone says anything. By the way, I think a Dan fan club is yeah, the Dan love is Yeah. It's on the way, It's on the way. He's been he's been teasing an Instagram account for the last like three years. He's four now he's four. He's four. He's four years old. A little baby under your little little I know, little little tiny little thing that he was. Oh, it says better Okay, everything's better, and now we know that the delays about thirty seconds one, so they go, yes, well, um, our magical Angel team, will you bring in our first color cooler number one? Roll on up. This is Caitlin from Los Angeles. Hello Caitlin, welcome, Thank you. I'm so excited to be here, so lovely to meet you. Guys. You two you look like a saw special set up. Yeah, it looked like a shadow and say you're on a blue screen. It's like one set. It's crazy. I know for self tapes, I use it all the time. Yep, you're an actor as well. Yeah, actually that's part of my question here is um. First of all, thank you. This podcast has been great, both, you know, as a fan of the show and of this whole universe, but also as a young actor who is just getting started, just getting rolling. It's been really good to hear like honest stories about what the industry is like and how a show like this gets made. It's been so helpful for me. It's been helpful for my mom, who feels significantly better about all of this having heard you talk about we are still normal people, or as normal as we can have had our parents on the show is what we should have done. We should have had one of our parents, like we should have had our moms on his guests, like Dom's a dick, like we're sitting in now. I think I think I think we should arrange that, or at least try to for next season of the podcast. If anyone would like that to happen, let us know on the comments and we'll talk to our producers. But Caitlin, we're taking up all of your time. What is your question for us today? So my question is if you could relive any one day from the shadow Hunter set, which day would it be and why? Oh I can tell you right now. I as sad as it was, I would want to relive our very last day on the set because I know we've talked about the last day on set extensively on the podcast. But having everyone there from cast to crew to people who had worked on the show, people were still working on the show and other people just came to hang out and then our rat party was the best experience I've ever had on any show. I just stayed and really there was an odd reverence for the day because we all knew that this was the last. It was the end of an era as it were. You know, it's the last day we were all going to ever get to spend together on this project, in this space, with this group of people and this story, and it was such a beautiful way to celebrate it with the spoiler alert Malik wedding. By the way, if anyone listening or watching live hasn't seen all the way through the show, we're going to fucking ruin it, like thousand percent. We're going to ruin what happens in this show. There's no world in which we don't really the end of it. Um yeah, kaylin, I'll tell you just to not be because my aunts would probably be the same, but just to not be repetitive and boring. And I'm going to try and do that throughout. I was I found really exciting was like the warm up for like the sort of the week that we had warming up towards season two, and we started seeing the changes they were going to make with costumes and props, and then we met the Maguire brothers and we met Dean Copkov, the new stunt teams and the stunt riggers for the first time, and we started working on different movements and fighting styles and all of a sudden we were thinking like, wow, this is actually a very different version of what we're going to be pushing to achieve here, and that was very exciting. So I would I would really live that, just not I would relive that, because that it was it was almost like restarting again with with sort of the experience of knowing who a lot of these people were and having sort of a new fire put underneath us, which was which was very cool. So that and it was, you know, like rejuvenating the whole thing, So it was that was pretty neat. So I would probably I would go ahead and say that you know what, um, I'll agree with you there. That's a really good answer. I hadn't thought of that. I can't agree with me after I disagreed with you. To be not repetitive. We can agree with each other's opinions. Already halfway through my drink. What am I going to do? Twenty minutes? Can never win twenty minutes to make a cattail? Yeah, it was much Thank you for joining us, Good luck with everything. Wishing you all the best, especially for me, because I don't think we're ever going to be in direct competition for break all the legs. I'm anyway, but she's like this, there's another pretty blonde chick. That's enough. Good luck with everything, Kaylin, thank you so much of luck. The have fun. Bye. All right, let's bring our next gut up to something I don't know. Square here is like not Jaylor and welcome and you're a Missouri gala see yes, yes saying that's amazings off now where you're from? Cat? Yeah, yeah, knew it. Well, welcome to the thank you? Oh goodness, Well, my dear, how are you today? First of all, I'm great, are you? I'm fantastic? And what is your question for us? My question is when you first began acting, what was your first experience like was it what? Did it live up to your expectations and or were you surprised by anything. I'm so excited to tell this story. Cat, you go first, but I'm so excited. Okay, I think I know your ordom and it's it's a it's a good one. So I'm glad. I'm going, Oh my god, you're so right. Oh my god, Okay, this I forgot about that one. I was thinking about a different one. Um gosh, what was my first onset experience? I think, if I'm not mistaken. My first actual onset TV experience was I was living in New York. A little night music had just closed and I booked a two line part on Law and Order SVU, as everyone who lives in New York for long enough does, and I was so it was like walking into Disneyland, you know that, just having these sets that you've watched on TV for so many years, and you're walking the first time walking into a sound stage, you really are immersed into this entire world, and it's fascinating, and it just a TV set ran like such a machine. It wasn't anything like I expected, and it was very you know, you get any dear thing, you get out and you're done, and suddenly you're going, wait, did I just do it? What just happened? But that was, again a show that had been in existence for fifteen almost twenty years at that point, so it's a It was very different coming into Shadow Hunters, but that was that was quite the system that I bumped into for the for the very first time. But dumb, why don't you tell your story? Mine was a commercial. It was a commercial or an advert depending where you're where you're from. In the UK we call it an advert for skincare for a skincare company, which I think has been well I thought had been scrubbed from the internet, but I think since since Luke Baines publicly mentioned that this was where I met him at the card I think we were. We were seventeen or eighteen when that happened, so I won't say how many years ago. That was quite a few min years a day and we did, Yeah, we did this commercial together and it was sort of a fairly well oiled machine, and then also wasn't at all or well oiled machine. I was wearing not very many clothes at one point, very early in the morning, and it was very cold, and I was on a trampoline, and it was a whole it was a whole thing. I think he was doing some equally crazy stuff and that was my first experience. And I've been friends with Luke ever since, which is nice. I was just talking to Luke earlier today, so um, that's nice somethings I've known Luke for. I honestly, I don't I don't even know what the maths is. What's eight what's thirty three minus eighteen? Anybody it's tough in it when it's live, when the red dot's going and it's live, all of that very simple maths just goes out of you ahead fifteen years. It's fifteen years, hey, guante years. Sure, approximately, it's not a math test. We're not doing math test today. I'm so sorry. We're not putting it from that in about thirty seconds comments idiots X amount of years. Um, yeah, great question, great question, Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Stories. It's almost like we got the script and we were prepped. Oh my goodness, this is something else. This is something business for tomorrow. This is another thing that we're doing tomorrow later on uh huh shalen. Thank you so much for joining us to us meeting you guys, you two. We really didn't get a bit of a spectrum of answers here, which is interesting. I got so rounding is fifteen, so I was correct. We got a nineteen and a twenty five. But you know, you make it good for you. Yeah, yours our better number, so less dumb. That's not fair. There were three of us who weren't good at maths. Then Austin so, hey, you're from Chicago. I am suburbs. Would you up would Chicago Pencer for me? Because I miss it so much. I would love to thank you. I'm gone there. Yes, I will tweet you, thank you, thank you. I'm so down. So it is such an honor to me. Both of you guys are both my heroes. And my question it's a bit more of a deep one because I started watching Shadow Hunters last year. I was going through a really really hard time in my life and seeing how Clary and Jason everybody else dealt with their traumas was just the most affirming thing to me going through mine, because I was like, I'm not alone. I have these people who now feel like big brother and big sister to me, and they're doing all this supernatural stuff and Clary loses her mom and they're brothers. They're not brothers. It's all crazy. And so you both have helped me so much. You've been such a tremendous part of my healing process, and Kat also watching you on Arrow and Walker independence you deserve all the awards for that. It's such a magical performance. And so my question for both of you is how has your characters helped you in the tough times and what do you draw on to portray that emotion because whatever clearly cries, I don't want to cry. So it's just amazing. First of all, I'm sorry because I cry a lot in the show. There's a lot of cras like every other day I was crying. I think also we should say just first off, Austin, it's a beautiful We would genuinely really appreciate it. But what I think, and I've said this before and people will have heard me say this, but I'm going to reiterate it to you directly. The tough time you're going through and the fact that you came out the other side of that, we might have helped who might have been in a happy little distraction, but we're not responsible for that. You're responsible for that. The strength from that came from you. It was inside you. It is inside you. It's to everyone listening. That's strength to overcome whatever the thing is, or if it's a few different things, whatever it is, that if we were able to maybe help you access that in some way, then that's amazing because we're just doing our job and that's connected with you in some way. But it is important to note, and I always want to reiterate that that strength did come from you. I never forget that because you were strong enough to do that. It's true. And we've been so lucky on this show and through all the fandoms and conventions that we've done, to hear so many stories like yours, of these amazing angels out there in this fandom that have all gone through such astronomical things, and it's it's really humbling to be a very small part of these amazing, heroic things that all of you have done in your lives. So thank you for sharing that with us. But as far as goodness, I think one thing I learned from Clary and from from a lot of my other characters, but Clary was the first one that sort of taught this to me is she always she falls on her face a million times, she makes a millions intentional and unintentional, a bunch of things wrong. But she always picks herself back up. She always forgives herself, forgives other able to pick herself back up by the bootstraps and move on and learn that it's okay that to not be perfect, and it's okay to make mistakes as long as you have good intentions and are doing your best with the resources and information you have. That's that's the biggest thing I learned from Clary. But as far as the emotional scenes and dom and I've talked about this a lot. We different for every person and for me personally, it's different for every scene and every day you're on set because it's always depends on the mental and emotional place you're coming from. So sometimes it's a song, sometimes it's something from my Sometimes the scene itself. You can just be so immersed in the character relationships that you've built. It just comes from the story that you're telling. Um. But I always find it fascinating to hear what different people's sources of that kind of fatain are but dumb, what about you? I think I think I learned a lot of of ways not to make decisions through Jason. I think um learning that that being solo and a lot of these decision making processes is not the way I would like to do things. If it is the way you do it, then great. But for me, talking things out with a group of people and developing that and so that if anything, reassured myself that like this is the way I would like to I definitely learned that from him, sort of by by watching his mistakes and being like, that's right, this causes you pain and I don't want that. And I think as far as the more emotional stuff goes, it depends, like it really does depend because, as Kat said, some days you turn up on set and they go, great, we need a Hollywood tier, which is a tear from one eye, normally the eye closest to camera. We need a Hollywood tier. We need it in four seconds go and you're like, just not, that's not It just doesn't work that way. So sometimes you have to rely on externals, whether it's tear stick or a song or something from the past, whatever it is. The ideal way of doing it is you react to whatever the material is, and you react with the other actors with you, and that's where this comes in. This is very important that you trust and care and that the people around you care about you and care about your performance, and that you create it together as a group. And that's not just the other actors either, that's crew giving you the space to find that camera operators Drew and we had him on the on the Hey Buddy on the show, very clear at making the point of like, we will tell you when the camera is on is doing this, So save the tears until we're here, because this sort of strange anthropological thing happens. You run out of tears. It's a weird concept, but like your body will physically run out of you almost too dehydrated, your body just won't make them anymore. And God, almost every time it's when it's here and you're like, I got no more. There's no more clips, I got no more bullets in the chamber, like there's no tears coming out. So I think the key things are to rely on the people around you, rely on the material, and and um, yeah, I learned that. I've learned that. I learned that I need to rely on the people around me in my life as well. Absolutes. Yeah, thank you both so much for everything. Of course, Austin anytime, Thank you so much. Take care, have a good one. Right, this is your mind? Come here, Come here, he's are you going to see him? Pop right here? Look at this. Oh no, he's not done it. He's gone around the other way. He's got my other shoe. He's got the other shoe. Come here. I love good boy, Dan, good boy. So Next, we have Anna from the Ukraine. Hey, I'm so excited. In Neura's more excited. Hello are you. Oh, I'm fine, as you may know in our situation, but I'm fine. I'm great. And also I wanted to say thank you so much for everything you're doing for a CHAF fan, because, as you may know, in our situation in Ukraine, a lot of people can be home, but includingly but funny, it reverses a show and when I listen to podcast, I just feel like I'm at home at least a little a little. Oh that's good. That's so very glad to hear that, and we can and the rest of our team wishing love and happiness and safety to everyone in your situation. You know, I think everyone wants this to be over as quickly as possible, and a peaceful resolution to be found as quickly as possible, and for everyone to be you know, back in their own bedroom, being able to listen to this under their sheet, under their own sheets, you know, doing things. We're wishing that for you from the bottom of our hearts. But I will say that's that's such a wonderful sentiment, and that's something that I love about the Shadow family feel like a home, and the community has become a safe place and a home for so many people all over the world. And I'm constantly in our and fascinated and humbled by every single one of you that makes this community is so beautiful. So that is a perfect way to put it into perspective, my dear. That's your question for us today, and my aggression is if you could from once in one detail from your character's character's life, what would be and what consequences it would cost? Hmm, if I could take You're asking if I could take something from Jase's life and bring it into my life the ruins of thousand So if you could change one detail, if you could change one detail of Jason's life, Yeah, oh, I see what consequences would have I mean, poor Jason, so many, so many of the details in Jase's life I would change, Like, it's almost unfair to just pick the one. I think. Well, here's the thing. I think, if Jason's father was a more empathetic, genuine well, if Jase's if who we thought Jase's father was at the beginning was a more empathetic and caring and loving man, I guess the person who raised Jase. See, I still get confused with who who Jase's and where he came from. There are so many different storylines that happened I think we're talking about. I'm trying to I would like Valentine to have been a nicer guy in general. I think he could have been nicer to Jason, could have been nice to Clare, he could have been nicer to Jonathan. And in reality, what that would have changed is we probably didn't really have a show because so much of it was based on Valentine being the bad guy. So I think we probably didn't have a TV show, so this wouldn't have happened. So I guess Jase's pain and a lot of other people's pain kind of caused this to be a thing. So that's good, you know, silver lining. Yeah, so I guess that's where we're at. That's my answer. Well, that's you know, your Jason's sacrifice is everyone else's enjoyment? Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to put it that way really, but um hmm. I think if I could change wen detail about Clarie's life, I would just I would want her to listen a little bit more to the people around her to know just a little bit more than she does about things, and maybe maybe for her not to go against the grains so much. But alternatively, it makes me wonder because so many things that happened happened because of accidents that she had or things that she did that maybe weren't what she was told to do, and some of those were good things. So you know, I'm not sure that. Yeah, I totally agree with your Sometimes changes it's not good, agreed. Sometimes yeah, sometimes change is negative. Absolutely, Yeah, thank you so much, and it was such a pleasure to media. Thank you, Thank you so much, sending love all the best. All right, Next we have Anya from Germany. Hi there, amazing, Anya, Hi, Hi, Hi, how are you. I'm good? Thank you for having me of course, our pleasure amazing. So, uh, what's your question for us today, my dear? Well, why is not like really a question, It's more a little mini brand I had, um, which was, how come every other shadow hunter that we have besides our, one of which has been a shadow hunter for maybe a minute, is basically useless at their job? I'm thinking, Umah, Jonathan going down into like the kind of dungeon thing and stealing the more to Rril and the Elite carriage just going down like immediately, I was like, oh, yeah, I know, you know, point off the show, but really elite. Yeah, we talk about this a yeah. Let me tell you, we talk about this all the time, all the time. Useless shadow Hunters as a breed are useless, completely useless. Let's do like seventeen backflips and throw like a weapon that is super useful throughout the rest of the story, but we use it one time, or like a ruin that got designed and we're like, y, yeah, let's do that. Well, let's pour to into Iddriss. Using this ruin that that Cats used one time, Claris used one time. Where does it get us underwater? Doesn't make any sense. We have warlocks everywhere that we're friends with who know how to get us to address doesn't make any sense. It's the stupidest thing. We make terrible choices all the time, all the time. But it made for an interesting show. So there's the real balance. Yeah, useless, completely useless. I agree, we really did it, really did. I will say the senior talking about I think the idea was that it's about Jonathan is so powerful that even the elite guards just go down Love writing center. But then how can we fight him? And it takes a minute. I don't know. I don't know. But he was supposed to be so good. Do you remember who doubled him? Do you remember who doubled him for that? Right? Do little Little Little Love? That's our stunt Cornet or Darren maguire. Yea doubled will Tutor for that scene. He doubled will Tutor for that fight scene. Yeah, because they needed such a such an elite kicker that only Darren could do it. Is that sun going to say it? I don't know, skilled masterful, You wouldn't see it. You probably wouldn't notice because he's they edited, edited, edited, edited it, edited it, say edited it? Edited it? Yeah, say it, but say it normally. Don't say it with you with your teeth. Just try and say it like in turn a phrase. Edited it. Oh yeah, okay, okay, I can see Wow. Um they did it together very well. So is it? You probably won't be able to notice. Hopefully you won't be able to notice. But go back and then and then tweet Kat if you noticed. I don't have Twitter anymore for this exact reason. So people can't be like, though, does it look like him anymore? And I'm like, I don't care. I will say Darren looks great as a blonde. I'm just gonna say it. It's gonna put it out there, Darren looks great as a blonde. Thank you to the person in the chat who said I'm an elite kicker. I appreciate that. How are you keeping up with the chat? It's there's so much of it, it's so quick. Someone said poor rage, and I agree with you, page. I really want a T shirt that says poor rage, but out of context, it probably is not a good idea. On ya, this is what it's like being in our life. How does it feel welcome? You ask a normal question and we answer that sort of somewhat, and then we just transition into useless nonsense tangents. Yeah, this is what our producers have to put up with, and so you do. Okay, Well that's good. That's good to hear. I'm glad that this is somewhat the norm for you. Yeah, I mean, this is what our producers have to put up with and edit. A'mia, thank you so much for being on the show today. We really appreciate you joining us and for such a wonderful conversation topic. I like your plans. Bye hy bye bye, Natalie. Welcome, Oh movies, you can't here's it? Hey, welcome. Hi, how are you guys? Fantastic? Thank you, I'm good, thank you. And I'm in very wet and cold Scotland. So oh no, I'm very similar to oh sorry, what are you guys? No, I was just gonna ask what your question was for today, and so very similar to Austin and your Your guys show is like my my comfort show. Um, so I tend to get maybe two episodes in the series two and I go, I'm depressed. That's what it. So I very much find it's a really really comfort and lovely show. But what I wanted to ask was everyone tends to have a dark or off pieced storyline and if there was one that you guys could take from another character storyline that you wish it been yours, what would it have been? Oh? Wow, it's an interesting one, a storyline that I wish I could have had. I mean we sort of had this from time to time in little moments like Dommy and I did this and he did it with Alberto Once. I loved the episode where Magnus and Valentine switched, just getting to watch Alan and Harry do that and really commit and just get they both committed so much and got so much of each other's nuances and voice, speech pattern, posture walk. It blew my mind. I mean, they're both so uber talented, but I'm not surprised it was such a high level of work. But that would have been so fun to have been paired with someone and had to kind of do that for a full episode instead of just in bits and bobs. Yeah. Yeah, I think we also sort of toyed with it for a second right towards we got given each other's powers from different elements of that, and I think, I don't know if there's another storyline I would have liked Jase to go through necessarily, But I think it's always an interesting concept to think, how would this person deal with the world if your background was entirely different, if you were treated differently because of who you were or what you were, who would that develop you into as a as a character, as a person, as you know, a being. Would Jay still be sort of the same, fairly obnoxious, you know, broken psychlonic character. Would he be that same guy if he was raised as a warlock, if he was raised exactly the same same people in his life, same treatment, the whole way through, but he was a warlock, so his external factors maybe changed. And that's that's always sort of an interesting conversation to develop within dialogue is U and an interesting sort of anthropological look at these characters and who they are and how they develop. Is we are products of our environment. Everyone is, everything is a product of his environment. We adapt and move and grow with our environment. So it would be interesting to think within that where these characters could and should and maybe would go. Were their situations different. I suppose I think we answered your question with a question, and I'm sorry about that. Yeah, but that's what happens. That's fain. Thank you very much, podcast, Thank you so much, thank you, great question. Thank you Natalie. Hello, just firing them. Yes, welcome to the show. Hi, Jess. If I'm going to be honest, I'm actually terrified because I don't normally do Yeah, So I'm like really, okay, Okay, I get it, don't worry about it. Kat told me right before that she was super nervous about my accent because obviously I'm from like Kat, you're like, I think you're American. If you do, you're English. But I'm terrified because I stutter a lot and because of my accent, I'm growing bright pint. I tend to go over my words and it's really am Thats fine. I promise you don't worry about it. And yeah, really don't worry about it. You sound flawless, You sound perfect, Jesse. Yeah, So my question was to you guys, if you could have one more episode where you both had complete, great freedom over it, what would you like to see happen in that episode? Oh? I always I thought about this to the entire pandemic. I would have loved to see shadow Hunters in lockdown, just in lockdown at the institute, going well, what how do we? What do we? Ah uh, and just so having to do such mundane things, or you know, having to try and do any of the crazy things that any of us did to stay entertained during the pandemic, or even you know, watching them try and develop a run an anti you know, COVID run or something, because I'm sure they would be experimenting. But yeah, after after like the first month, because I think it would be the same as same as like human beings, like this is gonna blow over. This is fine, it's going to blow over. Not a good deal. The month two rolls around and you're like a ship. This might be about for a while, like this is Then you're calling like R and D shadow Hunters R and D, like, hey, guys, we're gonna need you to get on on top of this, like the shadow Hunters version of Fiser. We're gonna be like, guys, I'm gonna need you to pump out a vaccine for this asa because we're we're like, there are two hundred shadow Hunters on the best of days, we don't know what we're doing, and we're now all crammed in the same place like I he's made herself the chef. That's not good. That's bad. Let us out, let us out right now. That's and then you have you know, like show, Yeah, you have Simon and Magnus who are quarantined in there with us, and you know, having to navigate that political atmosphere, and I don't know that would be fun. We always thought it would be fun. Matt and Alberto and I thought it would be fun to have an episode that wasn't about us at all. It was just about the supporting actors that we had come in the background shadow hunters or like or like um, the people like walking down the street and you follow like this one guy's story who bumped into nobody like shoulder checked nobody and spend the rest of his life being like, but I know I did, like I felt someone, and it's some shadow hunter who fucked up and like walked into someone and that like that's his little sub story. Like he's in therapy, like, no, I definitely bumped into someone. And they're like, you can't have done that. How does this relate to your past? And he's like, no, I definitely did. I bumped into someone and I felt it and we've just ruined that person's life. Yeah. See, it's always be interesting like side story. See then I can imagine like obviously if they look around check then the shadow hunt for a thinking, oh my god, you can see me just like obviously Clarie's first one of her first lines, and I would be absolutely hysterical. Yeah, I know there's another one, a rogue shadow hunter out there that doesn't know they're a shadow hunter. Oh boy, Alec just goes no no. I think at that point as well, I think Jays would bump into another yea no nopep me like, yes, I'm so sorry I did Sorry, I have a nice eving and then just me it was a pleasure to meet you both. Yes, thank you so much, thank you, Hi, thank you take talking to us. Hello, Hi, um so um hellove to me, Arena. Lovely to meet you as well. And um, I've also wanted to say I didn't even know any of you existed up till about a year and a half ago, and I saw a shadow of Hunters and I picked up quite a few good actors to watch what they're gonna do. Oh that's very sweet. Thank you. But I even liked your podcast more. It's really wow. I really enjoy your guys, and I was really impressed what a good host you are, and you always when you have guests, you always uh and during the show you always pointed out, um, good scenes your castmates made, and um you always keep saying like, oh they should include that in a there um promo reel. Yeah. So, but you never talk about yourself, and I think you're very good actors, so I know it's hard to just yourself in your own work. But now that you did rewatch and had a little bit time distance from when you did the thing, what are the scenes not necessarily the scenes that were best for you to make, but like the scenes that you look there. Oh that's a good acting I'm gonna put this in my resume or whatever you do as actors. Yeah. Um, good question, really good question, because I think, um, you're right. Normally, the question we get asked and the question we answered probably the most often is what was your favorite to what was the hardest film, to the hardest scene to film, whatever, so on and so forth. Which one do I think would be in my real I know one that's in my reel because I've I've obviously seen my real. Um my agents put it together. Kat, I'm sure you will do the same. But what's in it? The scene from the end of episode three in season two, Um, Parabatti lost alec Is dying and I do the Parabati oath to him bringing back that scene is in my reel. I know that scenes in my real Um So I sort of I cheaped out on the answer there a little because I didn't really answer it. I was like my team thought that was good, and They've put it in my reel, so I'm sort of washing my hands and I'm fantastic at that scene and I made sure it was real. No, I'm not doing that, um no, but I know that that scene is in my real And I will say, as far as performing, you do have days where you go home and go that felt good, that felt really good, and I did I think it was one hundred percent that I think it couldn't be any better. Absolutely not. But was it up there, you know, towards where I want it to be. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think part of being a performer or an artist really in any form, there's a version of perfections living you all times, so you're always sort of striving to be a little better and onto the next thing. I don't know any artists that would be happy to sort of sidestep job to job and placate themselves within their own sort of thing. There's always an element of sort of challenging nature within that. So I will say I was very happy with that. Absolutely, that's that was such a beautiful scene. I think I have to I have to. I two come to mind, and one is you know one that dam and I talked about all the time the end of season two when we did the whole bit at Lake Lynn with Angel coming in Valentine the model of instruments. I just know that again, that was one of those days that don talks about that we left set completely exhausted, but knowing that we'd given every piece of ourselves to it. But the other scene I would I would maybe bring up for me and simply because I I know, I've I've was really feeling those same emotions in that moment, and I don't think you can get much more reality captured on camera than This was the last scene I did with Luke when he was playing Jonathan on the Street of well, the Street of Toronto that we actually played for Toronto, where he's you know, killing all of the people and then Clary kills him at the end of it. That was Luke's last scene on the show. And I actually didn't realize it until that day in that moment that this was his final scene and his final day, because our serious finale was so you know, astronomically all over the place, and we were dealing with a lot at the time. But that scene was so beautiful written and it was such a wonderful moment to celebrate, you know, everything that we'd built in that character relationship and everything that we'd gone through together and making the show. And I will never forget because our crew again gave us the space and the time to do it in a way that was conducive to the emotional state that we were in, so that that would be the other one for me, and I agree with Kata, that's that's the one. I was thinking, like, it's so good because there was like you had to do something hard, but there was so much compassion in it. I just love how you did it there. And it's like I also liked I love that scene, but I also write your our presentation yea, every time you like totally different person, you can see like a devil or like demon in your eyes. Thanks, yeah, let him out, Thank you, Arena appreciate it. Thank you so much. It's so lovely. What a great question. All right, and this sorry for everyone asking a thirty second delay, but I something went wrong. I touched something on my computer that I shouldn't have touched. It stopped recording. I had to log off and log back on. If that happens again for either of us or any of us. That's why that's my run over. Sarah. Okay, Sarah, Sarah, how do I say? Name both the works? Welcome to the show. Hi, so nice to meet you both. So I'm actually just about to finish up and graduate with my bachelor's degree in a few weeks. Um, congratulations, congratulations. My question actually is for your or in your careers, was there ever a moment or a few moments where you had some hesitations, some doubts where you're questioning, like, is this really what I want to do? Maybe maybe the amount of work that you're putting in isn't like it's not acquainting to you the results that you want to. Let me tell you it, Sarah. I have a good example of this right now. So we're on my computer. I'm going to try and not accidentally close anything. I'm in my So all of the auditions that I've done over the last this is probably only six months because I have to kind of get rid of them, but the last six months I keep them all. Um, okay, all right, so here's a good answer, right, this is just the auditions that I've done over the last six months. So on an audition, everyone sort of knows knows. This about what we do is similar to a job interview. I've done one hundred and thirty five auditions in the last six months. Jobs wise, there is stuff going on which is great and very exciting, and I'm very lucky. But that's the ratio, like one hundred and thirty five, or like about one hundred to one, maybe fifty to one if you have a really good year. That's kind of the ratio. And the first time that happens when you first get into this industry and you get fifty nos in a row and they don't tell you why. They don't tell you that you weren't good enough for you were too tall or too small, or you stuttered on this word or your accent, and quite right, they give you nothing, They tell you nothing. They just say no. The answers no, we're going a different way. When you hit around that first fifty, your body, your brain tells you this might not be right, This might not be the right job for me. There's like making and what you need is good people around you. You need a good bad support family and friends obviously, but a good team as well. You need a good team. So my agents and my manager my agents here in the UK and my manager I've been with for ten fifteen years, and they are very honest with me. And if i'd send them an audition that shit, they'll tell me it's shit, and I'll go back and I'll redo it and I'll work on it. So much of what this job is doesn't come down to us. It comes down to, like, we wanted someone who lives six foot because we hired the girl opposite to be five foot ten, So if we hired someone who was five ten, they wouldn't look right next to each other on camera. But that's after your audition has already happened. So that's such a it's not a no, it's not a you weren't good enough to get this job. It's a technical thing that happened later on, you know what I mean. Or like they hire someone to play like an example from the show, you know, they hire someone to play Alec, they hire Matt. They have to cast someone with skin to play Izzy because their biological brother and sisters. They have to do that, like they have to look like brother and sister on screen. So if they'd hired either Emerald or Matt first, whoever it was, they have to match those two people together. So whoever was in the audition, then they can start whittling down and going, Okay, here are the ones. But there's definitely times during that where you go, yep, this is this is hard. It's hard to be told no over and over and over and over and over again. Definitely, And you know, it's one of those moments where I don't know that I've ever questioned whether or not I want to do this job and whether or not you know, I knew from the moment I stepped on stage the first theater show I ever did that I want to tell stories for the rest of my life. But there are moments where you are in this industry and and you sort of go, am I ever going to get another job? Am I? Is anyone ever going to see that I can do this job again? And that happens for most actors that I talked to, including myself. After just about every job that you do, you sort of just wonder. As every job's coming to a close, you're like, all right, well, I hope I work again. If not, this has been a really nice time and a great career, and thank you all for your time. But that's that's just part of it. And Tom's very right. You have to surround yourself with good people, and you have to remind yourself why you started, you know, and why you got into this in the first place, and why what sparked that passion initially for doing this job. And for me it happened at one point I was I'd been doing television just kind of it was the same thing over and again. And I read Sidney Lamet's book called Making Movies. Sydney that was an incredible director from from the earlier days of Hollywood, and just the way that he spoke about tell stories and the way that he spoke about bringing these things to life and all ways that he painted a story. It reminded me why I love what I do, and it's it's nice to be reminded of those things from time to time. Wow, that sounds great. Um, I feel like because I'm graduating, it's kind of like the end of something beginning of something else. So no, it's really great to hear your guys's opinions. Thank you so much, and those are always the most exciting times. So wishing you all the best, and I can't wait to see what you do thank you, bye, my dear. I have a great evening. And also, um, you have one more guest. I don't want to just before Hi, Vivian, how are welcome? Before before this, h before we start diving into this, I'm looking at the moment thing Kat, what is the what is the money at the top? What is this? I don't know above the chat. Yeah, I've seen it, but I don't know what the thing this is. And it's like donations or tips or whatever. Don't stop doing that. Start you can watch this. You know you've got your tickets already. This is this is You don't need to pay any more money to do this. You're all part of the same crowd. Stop stop donating money into this. I don't know, but like if it's if it's like tips, you don't need to do that. This is. This is free. We want everyone to enjoy it. Like, you don't need to be adding more money to this. It's very very sweet of you, guys, and we'll make sure it goes to someone who needs it and deserves it. In this case, it will help will work with moments make sure. But you guys don't need to be donating anything to us all to the show. We're good. This is for you, This is for free. Okay, sorry, Vivian, go ahead, don't worry. Hi guys, Um, thank you for having me. It's exciting as I actually grew up with the books already, so I'm Dum's age right now, and I started, I think early twenties around with the books and I was so sad that the film didn't have a second chance thought of, but I have to admit the series was just so lovely. You've done such a great job. It's been really incredible. Thank you. Yeah, you're well. Yeah. So my question for you would be if Shadow Hunters still does affect your daily life in ways of funny memories, emotional memories, funny sayings, maybe lessons learned, and if so, in which exact way and how often? Absolutely, I will say that, you know, this series and this story, this group of people completely changed my life and still continues to be a huge part of it every single day, you know it. For me, the biggest reason for that are the people, whether it's the people that we worked with every day, the friendships we made on set with our colleagues and our coworkers, and then with the fandom. You know it, was such a huge part of our lives still to this day. It's why we're doing this podcast is because of all of you angels that have created this beautiful community and continue not only to support us and the story, but to support each other. And that's you know, that's why I will always do anything for the Shadow fam because you have been so wonderful and so beautiful and so loving to each other. And there's so few places, especially on the Internet, that that sort of community exists anymore. And I think, you know, the fact that that we can keep giving life to this is a very beautiful thing. Yeah, it's lovely, agree, And it's lovely to be a part of it as well. Absolutely, Yeah, No, I agree, And I will say for my part, the people that I'm there obviously can't I do this. And Matt and Alberto especially are a huge part of my life and will be forever. I hope we'll be for forever and ever and ever. And we shared special occasions with each other. We I ask Matt and Alberto for advice, very different types of advice from each of them, but advice and those people are still a huge part of my life. I'm seeing Darren next summer or this summer, I guess now to do some crazy like Woodland Audio and live in the woods for a week, which I can't wait. You know, these people, these people a part of you and a part of your life, and I can't Yeah, I couldn't live without them, for sure, Lovely, lovely, But do you also maybe have some funny sayings you use in your daily life which come from set maybe or something like that, something that you know. Alberto and I still do the high five with these Yeah, the high five we used to do that was probably super loud in the microphone and apologize the high five that we did on the show we developed we started doing. I commem why why we started doing it, but we were doing it in our personal lives between us before it ended up in the show, and then it ended up in the show somehow. Yeah, and we still do that to this day. So there are definitely little sort of elements that we had in the show that are still in this show for sure. That's great, lovely, absolutely well, thank you so much for joining us today, Vivian, It's been so lovely to chat with you. Yeah to you too, thank you, thank you, and hey, folks who are watching. If anyone has questions that you want us to answer, just put them in the chat and we will answer a few of those as and we can write. As we're wrapping up here. We had so much planned and I don't know how we have done of it. This is good though we did the this like, we spent a lot of time on the bit that we wanted to spend time on, which is great, and I think too, we can take some of these other bits and put them when we can do them. With some of these we had some games planned for those of you who are watching, and we definitely want to get to some of those games, but we cannot. Oh, pocket cookies, how can we put a pocket cookies? Oh? Shoot, that's right, pocket cookies? I know Alberto stilled as pocket like right now it's not cookies. But I will show you right now in my pocket I have I have Dand do you want to treat pocket dan cookies? There's little what's this here? He comes there? You go come and get it. Sniff sniff, stif stiff. Oh my goodness, good boy, good boy? What okay? Hold on? If you go to any other institute in the world, which one would you go to? Don interesting. That's sort of yeah, fair enough, But I have started something now that's sort of assuming that there are like in the world what we're saying. Yeah, um, you know, Mmmm No, I don't know. Maybe um, maybe like Australia, like Sydney, like the Sydney Institute. I bet that'd be late. I bet they'd be like so chilled. Yeah, I think I think Sydney might be the way to go, honestly, Wallace, Yeah we met. Oh no, you were at the commit I met one of the next time. I did a different one, like a year before or after you guys, And I also met a cool they're very very slim, fun little animals. Um um oh. Someone someone asked, uh, books were reading currently? Um? I'm reading a Fitzgerald book called Flappers and Philosophers of a lot of his short stories, and it's brilliant because they're nice to read on set because he can kind of get in and out of it pretty quickly. What about you, dum, what are you reading? I'm not reading anything I should. Is anyone any recommendations I should? I should dive into a book for sure. Um, yeah, I'm really not. I've had a beautiful book recently that you might love. Um, it's called the Buried Giant. It's by issue ro Okay, it's really it's it's sort of half in the same way that The Alchemist is kind of half fantasy half human truth. It's it's sort of a similar tone, and it's really it's really well written, quite like it. Okay, I'll look into that. Let's see. Any what emoji do you use the most dumb I don't know. Let's see. I think I only really send emojis to my girlfriend, and it's like the heart one or the heart eyes one. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Um. We used to have a thing my girlfriend and I used to have a thing when I first started sending emojis to her, or sort of when we first send my heart emoji and I got it wrong and I sent the finger emoji, but then didn't. I didn't I hadn't noticed that I'd hit the wrong thing and just sent it and then didn't think anything of it. And then I think she was sort of a bit propled. It's like, it's really rude. Why would you send that to me? It doesn't really make sense within the pattern of what you've been saying. Um. And then for a while, instead of sending the heart, we would just send each other the finger instead of like just so we would never say it would just be this. So if anyone ever overlooks and saw our conversations, like these people really don't like each other, but it was quite the opposite. Goodness, it turns out we really like each other. He's being so good my microphone. Oh good boy, Dan, good boy. Oh high stand the cutest nugget leave it. Oh he's so cross good boy. Yeah, good boy. He's a sweet dude. Um. I think the of the emojis that I use the two that I use the most, or like the you know, the red heart or the face palm emoji, because there's so many times. Yeah, right, hearts and face palms. That makes sense. Well, Tom, without further ado, shall we yes? Shall we move on? Let's to the after party. Let's Is that what correct thing for us to be doing? Producers? Producer, Yeah, producers, somebody give us, give us a high sign. Is this what we're meant to be doing? Because I think I did I or did I not see something from our team that said we might oh we can go till I'm so sorry great, I just saw that texts of a lot of devices going on. Panic Dan, the panic. You are such a good boy. Where's your sister? What's she doing? They're causing some chaos. Oh, okay, how old is Rajah? So? Dan is four? Just just just just turned for So Rajah is seven? Rights? Almost? Yeah, Raja's seven, I think right at the beginning of season to right right right at the beginning of season two. U. So, yeah, Rajah will be seven. Wow, sweet girl, it's still going strong. Gone. What was your question? Well, the question that I have next here is have you listened to the soundtrack and do you have two favorite songs from it? The soundtrack from Charons? Yeah, that makes sense based on the topic of this podcast. That makes sense. Yeah, that's what the question was. Yeah. Mostly, I don't think I have listened to the soundtrack, you know, I think I Yeah, No, I don't think I ever have. It's possible that I've heard a song come up and been like, oh that's cool. I like this song and haven't really thought where it was, like where it's come from. But um, yeah, I don't think. I don't think I have. I don't think I've already sat down and listen to it to the soundtrack. I do have to two songs from the soundtrack that I quite love. Um one is fire Me's Fate by Ruel because Ruel did a lot of the songs for the show and she's fantastic. But Fireman's Fate is probably one of my favorites because it's got that real kind of epic like wolf that comes in and it's you know, I think someone in the thing just said, Ember, that's your song, and it oh yeah, that's my song. That's my song that was on the sun. And I was going to say, being good with current events and like social popularity stuff, Jesus, Like, my favorite grouping of songs is from like the Rolling Stones Beatles era from the last five years. It's super impressive for me. What was your saying? But the other one, the other one that I was going to say, was Nightshade, which is Alberto's songs on the Oh yeah, Alberto's songs. I really love that one. It's very good. It's been on several playlists of mine. Very good. What else we got questions wise, let's see here, what's time do we have? We got like another five minute? We also play a game if you want to pay the game. The game. I wonder if there's a game that we could play, do we do it? Would you rather? Because that's quick and simple? Okay, still, would you rather? Let's do it quick and you all can answer in the chat as well, because that's you know, we want to include you all, right, don would you rather be a steely or a vampire? Thousand really never eat, flood or drink anything else for the rest of your life for the rest of time because no, no no, because the rest of time. But that's also not true technically. First of all, all of these things are avoidable. Like if you if you if death were if you were to live your eighty years and decide this is the end of whatever, and you just wanted to watch the sunrise and that would be the end for you. I don't know, would get into sort of problematic talk about what that is. But I also think, like you were want human, you've become a vampire, and if you wanted this is this to be, you know, the the span of your life instead of seeing the people you love, dyeing whatever, then that choice is sort of their for you. However, I think I would also by the way, I will say that we've showed Alberto eating food. We showed Alberto eating tacos and he just had to put a little bit of blood on them. He could get them down. You can stand them, so you can still eat food. It just has to be with blood, which is kind of gross, But I digress. I think Sealy's first of all, like I have hay fever, I have seasonal allergies, so I think like flowers and my clothes and like always being out in the woods would just drive me fucking mental, Like my eyes and beg everywhere I go. That honestly would drive me. Like sometimes being in the sea Lee Glade, the sets would drive me nuts. Imagine the pussy willows everywhere, everywhere you will the pussy willows. Yeah, which, if you haven't ever go back to the podcast episode whatever, whatever season two episode might be, Season two episode eleven, all right, seen two episode one, yes, eleven, one of them, whichever one it is, go back and find us talking about pussy willows, because it's just an absolute nightmare. Vampire you get Vampi speed. You get to dress cool, although arguably you can dress call a zecilia as well, but like they have cool dress sense for sort for sure. You just have the sacrifice of being a sun which that would kind of suck. I don't know. I'm my gut is telling me vampire, so I'm staying with vampire. All right. Well, you know you have been a vampire before experience in the cent, so you know, so comfort zone for you. I guess what about you? I really would say, seriously, Yeah, I think there's something really interesting and we didn't really find out a ton about this in the series. We've learned a little bits, but we didn't really get you know much, you know, um also political atmosphere constantly. Yeah. I think I think very mysterious beautiful about them, and I'd love to and the fact that they moved through space so easily and so much would be very interesting. Yeah. I agree. Oh that's a really good point that they all just said. If I bait a shadow hunter a shadow hunter, yeah, a very specific type of shadow hunter, I will become a daylighter. Will I have to do? It's fine? One of Simon? Did it could be yea too. Would it exist in the entire universe though it won't be too hard to find? Yeah? Yeah, who's the other one? Clarie and Jays Clary has it as well, yeah, it's the angelic blood. I don't know that, yep. I mean shot sunlight out of my hand and make portals. Yeah, and you have the Golden eyes and stuff. It just manifests itself differently. People, no kidding. This is a good one. Okay, I got a good one. You're ready be friends with Clarie or be friends with Jayce? Both? Can't say both. I think it's a safer I think okay, I think it would be more fun to be friends with Clary, But I think it would be safer for your life to be friends with Jase. Probably your mental health as well. Yeah, because because Clary, I feel like, ends up a lot of our friends that up, you know, getting killed or turned various creatures. Um, but jas is kind of grumpy a lot. Jason's grumpy a lot. Yeah. Wow. It started very jay strong in the comments, and now it's gotten very mixed. It's gotten very who people who keep writing both don't understand how the game works. The game is would you rather? You can't say? I can't say both both. The answer, by the way, is obviously Jase. Like if it we're talking about with a world the story of shadow Hunts, these threats exist. Jase is the best soldier that has existed. Clary comes in and goes, yeah, I can take this on. I'll take this on on my own. Yeah, no, no big deal and just gets people murdered all the time. Obviously is the right answer? Who said Alex? That's somebody in the check So you know what, the real right answer to this quickness is Simon, because Simon is to anyone ever in the entire city, Simon is a good friend. Yeah, and maybe Alberto honestly, but that's not how the game works. I don't understand. I don't understand how it could be clear. The title of the game is would you rather? And then you get given two answers. You have to pick one of those two. It's not who would you be friends with in the Shadow Hunters, it's not who would you be friends within the world. It's would you rather one or two? It's very simple. I don't understand. We should move on. What's the next one? Oh, let's do one, and then I do put things up and give Alex's turn. How about this, h would you rather tell a new porter about the shadow World or Triumphant? That's what I was just thinking. That's the one I just read and I was like, Wow, I really don't know how to answer this. I feel like my instinct is telling me one way, but I feel like that's problematic in a lot of ways, encouraging people to do something they shouldn't do, and the other one sort of destroys the lives of hundreds and hundreds of people. So I think, I think, if I think for me, it would have to be in fam like, you'd have to do that to protect the people around you. Yeah, try it once, you know, do it with the supervision of people around you, and then lock yourself away and get yourself like off this train, and then know that you've kept the shadow world safe. I think that would be that would be the way. Well, it's it's gone very fifty fifty again become the comments that's wild. Now. I would I would actually tell a news reporter about the shadow World, because really, out of ten they won't believe you, and they'll just go, okay, crazy lady, have a nice day, you know, because that's again not really the game. It doesn't say, it doesn't seem tell a news reporter with evidence. It doesn't specify you're correct, it doesn't specify, But I think in the realm of this game, we're saying, the likelihood is that the news reporter is then going to tell the world. Okay, fine, then then the answer is then tell the world about the shadow world or try again. Then that's okay. Well, that's that's not that's not what's written on the paper, darm that's nothing. Rather, no, it's not. So that's one rules the game, according to your rules. The game rules. Fine, you're right, you're right, I'll take heed fair enough. Oh my goodness, Well, folks, this has been so amazing, and thank you so much for all of your questions, to our guests who came in such a wonderful new life to the show, and to all of you and our producers for setting this up and helping us to make all of us possible as well, supporting us through this and being fantastic. Um you're the best, and he'd thank you to our producers a propagate, to our radios on the air, and to each and every one of you for listening and tuning in and continuing this journey with us, and hopefully a lot of you are joining us as well for the after party. For the after party hosted by the one and only or or performed by not we're also hosting, but during it's it's all about Alex Kinsey. Let's just put it that way. It was our brilliant and tellented friend and the yeah, the I forget to completely always supposed to do. So let's go to you've got the papers in front, hold on, say it on the most Oh no, oh no, we're supposed to hide our cameras and mute. Yeah, and then and then there's a mic check and then yeah, now I'm with you. Now I'm with you. Thank good. This is what it's really like recording the podcast. It's just most of Dom and I are just figuring out technically this is a nightmare. Like our producers are saints. They're absolute, like popping bottles of champagne that this is the last episode for a while, so they don't have to be No, I'm kidding. It's been a pleasure. Okay. Now we are going to say goodbye and then I'm going to do the things that I was told to do and then we'll see party. Why Yeah, Alex, that's what it is. Welcome back everyone too. I was live. We have a new person. Look at you pour and I know, but it doesn't have you're supposed to be doing in the can it has the little canister in the bottles. It doesn't has something called widget and it means you don't have to pour it like that. No, but this doesn't do the thing. No, the widge it stops you from so you don't need to. But whenever you're pouring a point, you pour it that, you tilt the glass and you pour it down the side of the No, the whole way through. I'm sorry, folks, this is no longer the Shadows. This is obviously. Tom explains how wrong you have a fifty fifty mix of a Guinness there, which is wrong, which is maybe that's what he likes. Maybe that's what was my second one. So yeah, yeah, maybe that helps performance. Hi, everybody, welcome party, big round of applause to Kinsey, who, now some of you may know, the brilliant and wonderfully talented else Kinsey compose our theme tune for Return to the Shadows, So thank you. Before I know, it just has a has a British that is from a TV show that we used to have here, which but let's you guys know what, it doesn't matter. I don't know why I brought it up. Why what shows it from? It's called Little Britain. It was a very popular show. Well yeah, years and years and years ago, and then it is now being seen as very problematic, which sort of get um to be honest, and it kind of makes sense. So there you go, by the way. In case anyone is curious why I keep looking over here, it's because that's where the chat is. I don't want you to think that I'm just fully ignoring one very specific spot of something. Stuff slightly to the right, beautiful. It's like it might be the parakeets. It could be or it could be parakeets. Yeah, you don't know about the earl A parakeets. Oh the La parakeets. I thought you specifically had pet parakeets. And I was about to get very excited. I don't have pets. That means that I would have to have responsibilities. Oh I see. Oh my goodness, how that guinness taste mostly foam for me? Yeah, but no fomo, get out there and teach you. No fomo, that's true. No fomo, that's positive, right, little foamy, But no fomo, that's I think that's You're going to be my next album name. I think actually what was what was the one that I loved that I thought was hysterical? Slightly better than silence? Yep, that was the thing my entire life. Thanks you could listen to silence, this is slightly better. I would have learned to say that your music is more than slightly better than silence. That's just my personality. Kind of you. That is so kind. Thank you. So you know right, very hard. You you do very well. I mean this was sort of a no brainer for us when we were making this podcast and trying to figure out what the theme tune was going to be that we were going to, you know, come to you and ask ask for your help. Thank you appreciate that. Guys, you are I like theme tune, and I really appreciate this. It's very cool. I've seen I was watching you guys on the pre after party, which I guess is just the party, just the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I realized how I mean, I've always known that the show that Shadow Hunters has had a huge effect on tons and tons and tons of people, to the point where it's affected me as your friend, just because I'm your friend, you know, and I love that. It's so cool. I get to be a part of such a cool community because I just like you guys. But then hearing y'all talk about this and reading the chat and seeing how much the like just talking about the show and getting people back involved in I don't know, it's really cool that you guys were able to connect with a brand new group of people and the old group of people that you've had around for all this time. I don't know, you guys have done a really great job. Congratulations on the success and also being two beautiful, beautiful people. Oh thank you. We just get on microphones and just talk at each other. It's definitely nice for radio. Yeah, it was a very podcasting look to him, usting face. In fact, I was terrified when they said we're going to start using the cameras, and I was like, oh, usual, yeah, because that's definitely running for you ever right we wow, Well we love seen you running all unacceptable guys. All right, let's stick to the script, shall we. Fuckers What it says in the script that I got to see earlier and I got to vitos some stuff. Yeah, good good lord, I earlier too, and I got to re un vetos some stuff similar to the pre after party. Uh huh yeah, yeah, I like preafter part. Stop vamping you to stop. Now, this is just my job, This is my job. I just I just I'm slowly back to what we're supposed to be talking about that. Oh I know, Oh, I know, just slowly just wheeling him in a little by little pre Yeah, you will say it like it's a negative thing. I'm boring, would your lives? Yeah, that is true, That is very true. I always say this about shadow Hunters. I'm so glad I had all of view. And this includes you too, Kinsey, during that time in my life because I really needed someone in my life to push me a little bit, to try things new and step out of my comfort zone and you know, take some risks in life. And that was all of you, guys, because you created a safe space to take risks and have fun and live a little We make cat drink to say, did make cat drink drunk? Chas? Look at her now? Who knows? Now she well, Um, let's get back that we were talking about. Um before anyone says anything terrible, why don't you tell us what it was like writing the theme tune. I remember, I remember calling you. I was in Santa Barbara when I called you yeah and said, we've had this idea, Um, would you be willing to sit down and maybe write something? You know, my friends, of the people that I know who I could ask to do this, and arguably arguably of the people that I would ask in the world if I knew any body, you were on the top of that list too, because I've seen what you can do and how you can compose, compose and create very good computer develop things that are very thematic to what you know the sources. So um to me that you were the choice, you were graciously accepted, and then tell us what the process was after that. Thanks, man, that's really kind. It's funny that you say composer because a lot of people have, um, not a lot of people, but a lot of people that I've worked with have sort of asked, you know, are you artist? Are you writer? Are you producer? And I don't. I mean, I'm definitely all of those things to some degree. But then I realized, I guess I'm more of a composer than anything, because like that creation of a sound and figuring out what needs to happen sonically and to emote, like to get you to emote the right feelings and to sort of connect in the right way. That's always been the thing that made me feel really good, was that part of music making. So when you guys asked me to do this, it was really Honestly, I've never done anything with such little lyrics, and also I never done anything that was like, hey, you know, it's very this is a very thematic show. It's very very specifically this so if you could kind of follow that theme, I don't know that it was an interesting ask, but I was really excited to get into it, and I don't know, I listened to a lot of what was played on the show. I listened to a lot of honestly, just the type of instruments was that. That was a big part of it, is finding the right synth sounds and the right bass sounds and getting the guitar to sound right because it's a very ethereal type vibe, you know. So yeah, I don't know, it was it was fun to find that and tweak it and get the right sounds. And then, honestly, I listened to a bunch of podcast themes songs as well prior to doing that, and I was like, why do we say anything other than return to the shadows? Right? And then Kat, you came over, and I mean, honestly, what we do three takes of return? But yeah, we spent a total of thirteen minutes recording it. That's what I was gonna say. I don't even think we've spent thirteen minutes recording it. I think you spent thirteen minutes from getting out of your car to getting back into your car. That's true, in your house so quick, which was great. Honestly. It made it so easy because then we had like a bunch of things to choose from. I didn't have to go and tune and edit. No, it was great. It was right there. I got to pull from it, and you nailed it first try. And you did nothing. You just sat back and you came up with the idea of having me. You actually you're in the cho have known each other without me. You wouldn't have a show without me. You're my friend. This is how we connected you it. Yeah, and and now I'm so knowledgeable, dude, I know everything about the show. It's true. Everything you read all the books, right, and just such a I've wanted the last scene of every episode like four times. The very last scene, you guys are all together for one final moment, and then it cuts to black. No, no, wrong, Well, well if he means all actually Kinsey, by all, you mean all here, like the two of us, right, all I only know here, guys say, oh, I don't think of Alberto and what I don't even know their other names? Honest, Alberto, the one, the other one your friends with Matt. I think involved set lots of mats. Yeah, at once was in it. Yeah that again, we did it very d We should have put that again. Wonderful, wonder very well done. Um. But actually so since we're on the theme and on all of that, if you guys want, I can show you just a quick breakdown of like stuff. Yes, please, yeah, everything. He just Alex Kinsey Master's class. This is what we want? Is it? Hold on one second while I get it working. I took a stab with the tech. We took a We took a real stab that the tech was going to be on our side. We really really did. Okay, hold on, We're gonna try this and you might get a little look behind the curtain, but we're gonna try to not let you have a look behind the curtain. All right, let's see. Are you guys seeing the screen? Nope, no, anyone is anyone on the stream seeing the screen? What about the yeah? Hey, well it's hey, look at that. It was a quick scroll too far. We're gonna scroll back now we're good, so good, I'll I'll just show you guys a quick So this is this is what a basic production thing looks like, if you guys are ever getting into it. I don't know what you're seeing. Cat, what are you seeing right now? I'm seeing your screen? That is a riverside? Oh you are okay, that's not what I clicked. Oh well, that is not at all what I clicked. Let's stop that. Yeah, that was a lot of seventeen screens within screens with us. It's we're trying something new. Why we decided to do this on live not a single person. We all knew this was going to happen, Not a single person. When there's much more time. Now what now, what are you seeing? It's loading loading? Yeah, that's the one, great, great, great great great. Okay, So now this is what it's supposed to look like. This is a basic sort of logic. This is like all the sounds, everything that you're seeing here. All these guys, these are all sounds, and uh, I have everything muted because I wanted to kind of break it down a little bit quickly. I'm going to turn the mic over over toward the speaker so you can hear it better. But right, I think that I'm pretty sure. I started with this sounds, so this is a synth sound. And we did like so like when we were talking about ethereal and kind of spooky, that's you know, yeah, that's about as ethereal and spooky as we can get. And then we went with a little bit yeah, right, you know what I'm saying, and then with a little bass. I don't know what that was. I really did build the track sort of from start to finish. So we started with less and then as we went we got a little bit more. So all fast forward a little bit here and you can see that, like, you know, now we've got a few more colors happening, a few more sounds happening, and this was sort of the next progression, the next normal progression for what should happen. So there's a little bit of a build and the music, you know, because there has to be something that builds and starts small gets bigger. So the storytelling right, like storytelling exactly, it's not even a version of storytelling. It is storytelling on um. So here we go. So here's just some like percussion that's in the background, and then it starts getting bigger and bigger. So then we're going to fast forward a little bit too, like when it all kind of picks up here and uh now this is like, this is all of it together. This is basically the entire track without Cat's vocals, all put into one thing. So here's kind of the build up and essentially the apex, the crescendo. You might say, that's sort of lean melody with these sounds. That's guitar and just like messed up and tweaked. And then it gets even bigger here with some more drums. Let's see, I think these are some drums down here. So we've got all that going. It's at it all in. Then let's do let's do the best part of it all. Here's what we can do is you guys just want to hear Cat first before all the sound it sounds. Let's do it. Yeah, oh yeah, we did harmonies. I forgot some harmonies I threw a low one in there just so we had a nice full sound, but then with everything so that you guys can kind of hear how it goes. Here's how it all sounds together. Not that you haven't already heard that, I know, but it is nice to kind of see it all come together like that, right, But honestly, yeah, brilliant minding to see. Yeah, no kidding, Like, there's so many elements of that that I without you picking them out. I think I'm sure the song is would sort of sound empty without like the bassline in it, But until you picked it out, I didn't know that was in there. And it's fun, dude, as a musician, That's honestly like what I do most of the time when I'm listening to music, which it kind of makes music tough to listen to sometimes because I'm consummate. I'm sure sure you guys are watching it's a fucking nightmare watching TV with me, like that was a green screen. You're like, how do you know when? Why did you just ruin that for me? Like point right? Need to know that? Come on, well, because you pick out so many elements when you've been behind McCurtain, you know how it works. You know how the sausage is made, and it's I always know when i'm watching a good film because I forget. I didn't love that idiom that I didn't like the sausage. How the sausage is made like that. Okay, I'm sorry, but I offended. It just weirded me out. How the vegan sausage is made. Um, You're welcome, but I've got an issue. I don't know how that's made. Isn't it an issue though that you say that that I mean that that's like a phrase how the sausage is made to say, like, oh, you don't want to know about things That sausage gross? Exactly, I don't because I don't know how it was made. Way to go. I'm very proud. I know how it was made, and I generally don't eat it. Um No, But I always know when I'm watching a good film or good TV show because I forget and I don't analyze, Oh what kind of shot was that? I wonder what lens that was, or oh this person clearly did this, or that wardrobe's interesting, or yeah, you know whatever it is exactly, and I think that and it probably happens with you guys in acting too, because you guys will act in a very specific genre, if not for your whole career, at least for a small portion of it here and there, and you'll do like roles that seem to kind of I don't know you guys specifically, but you guys as actors seem to take roles that you know, complement each other. Yeah in some cases, and yeah, not always of course, but in some but and then in music, and it's getting less and less this way, but we're all very genre based, and then listening to something outside of our genre sometimes makes is like the best way to not analyze it. And I'm curious like you guys, you know, like watching comedic movies, because the few things that I do know about Shadow Hunters, I know that it was not like hilarious all the time, No, no, very few elements. So did mostly cry. Yeah, I did notice a lot of crying and like a lot of like very serious whisper talking. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, shadow on the voice close to the mic, and you gotta talk like this if we're gonna talk like a shadow Hunter, damn it, this kind of shu. Yeah, it's pretty close. Yeah, you go really seriously and you just like squint and you just you need like a little more intensity, like you've been yelling for a lot of your life, you know what I mean. Sure, Like that's where a lot of Jas's came from. It came from like a guttural like it was the sound in the back of his throat. It was like a dangerous like he was the front lines for most of his life yelling. He was telling people where to be, and that's where that came. Oh my gosh, wow, that's why it's switch. Sorry. Sorry, yeah, good apologies. Yeah, but I'm here. The first time. The first time I heard that voice was in my screen test and I'd never heard Dom do an American accent before and he flipped into that and I was like, whoa, whoa You had known him as the British darm Yeah, yeah, I am curious though. I am curious, though, are you Guys? Like when you watch a Seth Rogan movie, and it's easier than to a movie, like especially a comedy. I think it's easier to escape because you're like a lot of these comedies are based on what these characters do. Like if you're watching a Kevin Hart movie. You know, certain yut this like he's going to hit certain points. So that's quite interesting to watch because you're like, I'm not necessarily expectant of anything, so I can just sort of sit back and relax and know that I'm on like a Will Ferrell ride or a Seth rogen right or Keevin heart right or whatever. But then, interestingly, when one of those people switches it and subverts it and does something quite dramatic. I just watched I can't remember what it was cool, but Kevin Hart plays a single father in it. I god, what was the name of that movie? I can't remember, but and it's on the way through. But then he has these moments where like and I was like bawling my eyes out, and it completely took me away from that and I wasn't analyzing it at all. It was actually like a shock to my system, which was quite I think it's the same as you're saying when you're switching genres and then they throw something in there that they know is within their realm, but you didn't know that sure, like, oh wow, this is an interesting thing. Like I'm seeing shades of red in a painting that I thought was going to be predominantly blue, and it's it's entrancing. That's cool. That's a really cool thought that it's someone maybe that isn't doing a different genre, but you're just expecting you're not expect, right, that's a cool thought. Yeah, it's like when does a rap and you're like, oh, that was actually kind of sick totally Yeah, similar sort of thing. Anyway, what have we got on next? I think we should unless this is something that's supposed to happen later on. No, do you want to do you want to sing a song for us? Dude? Yeah? We would love for you. Yeah. Performance, This is why I'm here. That's why we stick around, all right, So why we came to the after party, that's for sure why I'm here. That's right. Can you guys hear this? Yeah? Cool? So I don't know, do you guys wanna dom? I know that hot Mess is like one of your favorites, but I love that song. Should I do hot Mess? But there is also a new one that you did mention. It's your call, so but you know what, it's up to you. What what do you want people to hear? Hot Mess? People have heard and people have requested hot mess in the chat. But the new one if we want to hear, like, is it out yet? The new one is? It's a world premiere performance, world premiere, a world premiere public. All right, well, why don't we will vamp for a couple of seconds. Guys listening? We have two choices. We have hot mess and then we have a song called straight No? Is it called straight No? It's called the Death of Me, which is the most We have a song called the Death of Me which has never been heard before. It is very intense, but it's a very it's actually a very lovely song. Most people are just saying both yea. Again, that's not what we were. That's not how the game works. This was a would you rather guys? This? He was I don't know what what you guys were talking about? Yeah, what's the first s? What's the sely like that? XI? No? I don't know, but that sounds kind of nice. Yeah, the new song is one for sure? You are you happy to play the new song? Mmm? I would love to. There are some interesting iterations. People type really quickly in comments because they want to get what they're saying across really quickly, So there's some interesting iterations. Of like there were a couple that were just death. I'm assuming that meant death of me. We're going to take something drasticum. They're like, Alex, get off the stream. We hate you no more likely to one of us. They've overheard us now and they're done. Yeah, no, okay, Well then okay, I'll do that. I'll do death of me. And this is not This isn't a sad song. This is honestly, I genuinely think that this is my favorite song I've ever written, only second to Parakeets, which just recently came out last year. Definitely go and check out Parakeets, by the way, it's beautiful. Thanks buddy. Yeah, I really love that song, But this is kind of I don't know. This song is very special to me. It means a lot, and I hope that you guys like it. You commit deep with your eyes when we speak about nothing in particular. It's amazing, killing me quick with a look that you give. I'm calling it quits at the end the party. You who got me on my knees. I don't believe in any God, but I can keep you in my prayers tonight. You who everything I need, who needs help when I got it every time I got your hand in mind. God, this feeling about you, who they being without you would be the death of me. God, this feeling about you, who they being without you would be the death of me? And I over my got this feeling about you, the being without you be the death of me. You give me high on your analysts supply of the Subchius got touched my skin, and I'm you who got me on my knees. I don't believe in any God, but I can keep you in my prayst tonight. You boooo everything I need? Who needs heaving? When I got it every time I got your hand in mind, got this feeling about you, they being without you be the death of me. Got this feeling about you, the being without you will be the death for me, and I over my head, my head, got this feeling about you, that being methought you would be the death of me. Something along those lines. WHOA, oh my gosh, Alex, that was beautiful, unbelievable. I'm glad we went with me too. I really like that song. It's yeah, that's a really beautiful song. It's so beautiful. I just I just think you're great, and I don't know. It's great. There's there's something amazing about seeing your friend and somebody really care about doing something amazing and doing what they love, and it's it's just well, that's how I feel about you guys. Honestly. I get to watch you guys do what you love anytime I want on Netflix currently, So yeah, yeah, yeah, Kat, You're also on CW right, yes, yea yeah, Walker Independence. We just finished our first season, just finished airing, soiting, exciting. It's by the way, no idea. We can talk about this later before it's just about to give away so much industry ship and I'm like, wait, no, no, no no, no, no no no no no no no no no, we should do we can't cut things out. Is I don't know any information. I don't know anything new, genuinely, it sounds like I'm backtracking now, which I am a little but an information. It's more just like we know how the industry has worked this year, and we have sort of assumptions. We have assumptions based on how the industry has been flowing this year. Predictions are assumptions, predictions, fictions, predictions and assumptions. Indeed, now I have a question for you because we get Tom, I've asked so enough questions tonight, I'm gonna do you really bother that she was asking you one more question? My god, Oh dam I have like twenty thousand more questions for you. So just you, just you and my mom and Decay can get together and try and figure me out out. I would love to get together with your mom anytime. I think she's brilliant. I love getting together with your mom. I'm gonna punch you in your mouth. She said a nice thing, and you made it such a horrible brotherly thing to say. Anyway, Kinsey, do you have any advice because Tom and I get asked all the time for advice for people coming into the industry, and but from your perspective, do you have any advice for anyone listening who wants to pursue music as a career or songwriting or composing or anything of the like. Yeah, I do. I think that this is going to probably be not the most uplifting thing that you've heard initially, but be prepared to, like not always be stoked. And then every once in a while you get something incredible that happens and it makes up for all that, and that's really what you live for. But like people I think moved to LA and get into acting and getting to singing and songwriting and all that stuff, expecting it to just be like the most fun thing all the time. And let me be the first person to tell you that it can be. It can be the most fun thing all of the time. But sometimes it just isn't. Sometimes it is a job. Sometimes it's something that like hurts, and sometimes it's something that is incredibly elating, and it's just like this insane, beautiful moment, and sometimes it's this awful, terrible moment, and you just have to be okay with those without going like I think I'm done, you know, like that's that's my most that's my actual, like real life. If I meet you on the street and I'm not on camera, advice this next bit, I'm not laughing you, sorry. I just read one of the comments then it made mean chuckle. It says it says Alex is funnier than Dominum. Doesn't like it. Kelly Kaylin kaylin ka kay I think Kaylyn, I got through twenty buckets after this. Don't you worry yet? That actually is my mom. That's actually my mom who posted that she was watching saying a thing. But yeah, that's that's I'm she knows what's but so then my other good advice. I think that this is like happy advice, because I don't want to let end it on a sad note after a song called Death of Me. I want to also say that as long as you do the thing in your craft that makes you the happiest, as long as you're constantly creating because you have to, because you love it, because there's no other option for you, because the only way to express the things that are destroying your insides is to get them out of you, then you're on the right path. Do that every time always. That's my happy advice is stick to your gut, stick with your heart, and make whatever it is that you need to create to get it out. Yeah. That's agree very much, say absolutely. I second that wholeheartedly. Yeah, well, gentlemen, should we play one more game before we go? Yeah? I haven't gotten to play anything play a game with us, So I I love this game and I thought this was a great idea. We sort of have died this on the show one day, and I think it would be fun to continue. So you're familiar with the concept of parabetide. There are two brothers in arms who are bonded together on a on an emotional, physical, metaphysical level, who go forth and kind of amplify each other's powers. Um, you've got a couple of examples immediately after. By the way, I really am very appreciative. You didn't get an opportunity to go right. She knew, she goes. You are familiar with parabetites obviously this Yeah, yes, of course. So Batman and Robin is an example. Or you know betaf Like and Matt Damon would be another example. Or you know two people at Mario and Luigi, Shrek and Donkey. All these examples of folks that work really well. That's so unfair. This is a cheat sheet capes on the chee. I didn't I have it too. Sorry I didn't list all of them. I left a coup there's two more is one I don't agree with. Okay, but you're smart enough you can come up with your own I believe in you. I'm trying. I'm doing the best. Someone said dom and Alberto, and that's really cute. There you go. See. I would say I would say I should read the books. I should read you know Gus, Gus and Jacques, the two little mice from Cinderella the animated movie. They get along and they work well together and amplified and empowers world. In no world would I have picked that. So they have to amplify each other. I like about you. You have to make each other better. You have to explore and like, yeah, wait, what's the game? I'm thinking about things. I don't even know what the rules are yet, ye, any things in the real world, or like two fancasty characters, or like peanut butter banana, perfect example, peanut butter and jelly is a good one. Peanut butter and banana. I don't know if I agree. Well, then I think that I'm going to go. Now, Abby and Katie has come up a lot, and what does that mean? No, this is this is Walker independence so my character, and there's a there's a woman on the show who's Kate, and their their partners in crime, and you know it. Yeah, Laura, thank you very much for putting Abby Walker and Kate just after I said that, too fucking late, already made a fool of myself. It's too late, already happened. It was also I appreciate Dom and Dan has come up a lot which is very sweet. Yeah, that's Simon. Pumba is a great one. Such a good one, Simon and Raphael pretty good. Yeah, put nutella and banana. Oh my god, did you stella? Did you see me say new teller? Have you? And I had this teller? Like an American? Did you say? Yeah? I said nutella? Yeah, like an American? They say metella? Who tell everyone else Americans say tella? I say ntella? Never? Never, one time in my entire life have I made a U and O this is why we never I've never done that that. It doesn't make any sense. And I'll tell you for why. Because it's a nut based spread. Ah, that makes a good explanation. It's not a new face bread photo. And Sam Stephen Lucky is a great one. Stephen Bucky is a good one. That one actually, Oh, Steve Rogers and Bucky Yeah, what was that one? Did you get? Ben? And Ella? I liked and Ella like? Nutella's pretty good? And and Deck we've got some British guys in here, and and Deck appreciate you guys. Yeah, you guys won't know what that is. But their talk show hosts over here that have been doing it since. I was like, they be like the two Han and Chewy sort of, Han and Cheese is the game one that's from the chat. That's not me pretty much. Notice Sonia and Harriet, thanks for saying that. That's a Maze Runner thing. That's me and Um. I don't know if you know, Natalie Emmanuel. Our characters were like together in the maze and we were the only survivors. And it's a that's yes. I like Kermit and Fozzy. That one makes me feel. I like people get and they write the first one and then and and then nothing. Listen, shit fuck Um. I like Ben and Jerry, by the way, that's I second Ben and Jerry. Tom and Jerry's pretty good as well, tom Ry. What about Judy and Bird Cat and puns Judy and Bird You guys don't watch Judge Judy. Oh no, Merlin and Arthur. That's a good one. Wood, Buzz, Wood and Buzz. They are Dan and Raja. Okay, I have to call it quits on Dan and Raja. They are not parabatized. I've just learned what a parabatize and Dan and Raja are not that this puzz Oh my gosh, I'm sure they move. I'm so sure they move. I don't know if anyone can hear me because the microphones too far away. But I'm so sure they move. I knew that at least Pinky and Brain. Romeo and Juliet. Someone just put Romeo and Juliet. Now we're just listing pairs of people. Let me tell you about a question. But see, they can't they catch romantically? Yes, I have Can it be three people? No? Yeah, I don't think yes. Why I don't think it's just the rules. Well, because he's making the rules the clave, and they're very just said Mason Pollard, which is my character in a race. But then with no one man just and Scooby such a good one. Um. Yeah, and they also can't be romantically involved, because that's good. Well. But also, if we want to talk about people who make each other stronger, Romeo and Juliet, let's talk about Romeo and Juliet for a second. Romeo and Juliet was Jeff Murphy in itself. That's pretty funny. Um. Romeo and Juliet is heralded as maybe one of the greatest love stories of all time. The truth is Romeo and Juliet is about two underage people three days and caused the death of six people. Yeah, that's Romeo and ju Yeah they did emply to the powers. I like C three PO and R time anyone. I can't pay attention. It's so crazy one I just my brain goes, I'm gonna buy you. I'm gonna buy you the four works, the complete works. Fine, the folio that I'm going to read it to you with a Floridian translation as well. Oh okay, now we're talking. And then the gator came on out of the swamp and stared himself in the heart right at the very even So did you know this is interesting? You know? So there would be no then this happened. Then whatever Shakespeare won't won't Shakespeare? Shakespeare wo Shakespeare every time Shakespeare. Shakespeare wrote direction in all of his place ever one stage direction. Everything else is dialogue. And what was it? Do you want to know? It's mental? Do you want to know? Yeah, I know what it is, and it is mentally. Go on, I'll be very impressed if you get it. Isn't it excits pursued by bear. It's excellent pursued by bear. But so close? Yes, correct, it's excellent. You could have given her that. No, like like you could have given her that. No, dam doesn't give me anything that's true, anything for any of us. Do you just call me John's been ten years, we've been friends, John. I said it like I said, John, like tube that John letters, that's so fast. Just wrong, that's just fully wrong. We got on this show for Alex and Alana. That's all. That's very sweet together. Christian and Rose from Vampire Academy. I don't know what movie you watched. I don't think so. I disagree fervently. Christian and Lissa. I get that. Christian and Rose probably not so much. Somebody said Christian and Fire, which I thought was My fashion has been to quote Hamlet, Act three, scene three, line eighty seven. No, I'm gonna start texting people. That's pretty that's really fun. It's pretty good. Yeah, oh yeah, oh man, for sure. Well, folks, this has been so fun. Is there anything else we want to do? This this has been Is there anything else we'd like to do or discuss, or talk about or say before we wrap up the seve I think we should say thank you. I think you're right. I think collectively we should say thank you to each other. We've been on this journey together. Thank you Kinsey a love Cap, my co host, my co producer, to our fellow producers, thank you for being with us on this. Like we said, we've been doing this for almost, if not just over a year. Yeah, and it's been a real pleasure. It's been a real pleasure to revisit something that was such a defining moment in my life, and it has been a real pleasure to share that with so many people who care about it as well. So thank you to all of you, and thank you to a moment. Thank you too, my heart to Propagate, to everyone who made this possible, and all of you for joining us. It's it's been such a lovely journey and we so appreciate love and the questions, and uh, we're gonna keep doing it if you'll have us. I'm just happy to be here. Okay, Can I propose something I would love to do? You can't propose. You can't propose over zoom. No, you can't propose over zoom. I tried it with Nell. It's not how it happens. I keep posting. Yeah, it's like I'm on like time twelve. Yeah, I like texted. She was like, nah, I texted I wanted to just the ring emoji and a question marks. She's like, no, no, but I would I would like to suggest. Yeah, I'd like to suggest something. If you two are open to it, please, I think it would be fun one of these days for us to pick an episode or a compilation of best up clips of a few episodes and bring you kinsey on to watch it and do a someone who's not involved and hasn't seen every episode doesn't one hundred percent of the world commentary, Oh shit, I have a secondary proposal, not proposal, because weren't allowed to do that's a secondary suggestion. Why don't we also do the bloopers? Yes, that's how you get to figure out like real like in my opinion, that's always how you figure out like that person, like that person's good fun or like oh that person had a real tough day, or what you can really see, like you know, like you want it seem like you want to expose somebody, like like I'm in them so much from being like anymore who you don't like and it's me, like I'm always the one who's like breaking. Are there any sprinting? No? They cut all of those out. They actually took the reels and burnt them because of you. Thank God. Yeah, thank greates come out at some point, but not today. We've got nothing to leave. Something out there that's something to the imagination that said deathbed confession is like I have an SD card. It's buried six feet in the yard behind stepping stone number four. It's dom running. It's just slow mos of zoomed in Donmouth, Wally. That is the death of you right there. It's titled the Death of don Yeah. Oh man, gentlemen, this has been so wonderful. Thank you so much for making my evening just light up. Thank you guys. And it's only like three o'clock. This is great. We will reconvene fairly soon. I have to make a phone call after this and then we should. You know what I'm saying. I do, but I don't know that anyone else does. Dames. Video games. I'm hoping everyone got it was either video games or going We're gonna go milk our cows wrong, just incorrectly. We just got to guess all of the new it's we're new to new to moving to move as you milked so funny I'm into it now. I'm not going to play a cow. No. Well, if they were speaking English, you'd probably be a little more inclined, wouldn't you maybe, But I don't know. If I can be then it's very true. Greg, can you milk? He's like, yeah, cats of the things that have milked me. Yeah. Yeah. All right, it's enough. We're gonna go the podcast. I love you guys, Thank you so much for everything. Have a good evening. Return to the Shadows is hosted and an executive produced by Me, Katherine McNamara, and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermillia, and our intern is Sam Katz. Original music by Alex Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara.