Today we are chatting to Sarah Cunliffe.

Sarah is a Product Leader located in Wellington, most recently working for CoGo. 
Sarah's first experience of a 'retro' was at 3am in a war zone when a UK Special Forces unit returned from an operation aimed at closing down a bomb network. From there, she stumbled her way into Product Management and has remained passionate about helping teams working together for better ever since. She champions Product Ops wherever she goes. Her 2 girls are a constant reminder to stay curious, keep asking why and remember 'you are not your user'!

Among some of the nuggets Sarah shares with us, includes:
User Journey Mapping
A way to assess your PM skills:

What’s Your Shape? A Product Manager’s Guide to Growing Yourself and Your Team
The PM Competency Framework: Making Product Management growth a team effort 
Knowledge repository for research, data and insights - Gleanly
Read: User Story Mapping, Geoff Patton
Listen: We can do hard things, Glennon Doyle

I took away a reminder to sunshine failure - a very important point we talk a lot about, but don't often do - and get comfortable with just enough.

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

Today we are chatting to <a href="https://nz.linkedin.com/in/sarahcunliffe">Sarah Cunliffe</a>.
Sarah is a Product Leader located in Wellington, most recently working for CoGo. Sarah's first experience of a 'retro' was at 3am in a war zone when a UK Special Forces unit returned from an operation aimed at closing down a bomb network. From there, she stumbled her way into Product Management and has remained passionate about helping teams working together for better ever since. She champions Product Ops wherever she goes. Her 2 girls are a constant reminder to stay curious, keep asking why and remember 'you are not your user'!
Among some of the nuggets Sarah shares with us, includes:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://blog.hubspot.com/service/customer-journey-map">User Journey Mapping</a></li>
<li>A way to assess your PM skills: 
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.ravi-mehta.com/product-manager-roles/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ravi-mehta.com/product-manager-roles/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1674585473796000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0cl5j4IgDTIWdLUMLazJSO">What’s Your Shape?</a> A Product Manager’s Guide to Growing Yourself and Your Team</li>
<li><a href="https://www.mindtheproduct.com/product-management-growth-team-effort/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.mindtheproduct.com/product-management-growth-team-effort/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1674585473796000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0HRQjmiZsrOx25zS27jlwA">The PM Competency Framework</a>: Making Product Management growth a team effort </li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Knowledge repository for research, data and insights - <a href="https://glean.ly/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://glean.ly/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1674585473796000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3III9XCFwtXiTwMMHn8-SG">Gleanly</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.jpattonassociates.com/story-mapping/">User Story Mapping, Geoff Patton</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0eFL5HJejQHZrdgAFdPnOm">We can do hard things, Glennon Doyle</a></li>
</ul>
I took away a reminder to sunshine failure - a very important point we talk a lot about, but don't often do - and get comfortable with just enough.
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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
Get in touch: <a href="mailto:productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com">productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com</a>
Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

We are Product Managers based in Wellington, New Zealand. We want to inspire Product Managers on their product journey. Every couple of weeks we invite a product person to tell us about how they got into product and to share some gold nuggets they have found on that journey.

Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

We are Product Managers based in Wellington, New Zealand. We want to inspire Product Managers on their product journey. Every couple of weeks we invite a product person to tell us about how they got into product and to share some gold nuggets they have found on that journey.
Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

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19. Sarah Cunliffe: learning to sunshine failure

Here is a rerun of an episode with Elina. We had a lot of fun chatting to her, so we hope you enjoy this throwback.

Elina is a co-founder of Storyo, a platform that shares the journeys of women and gender diverse people in Aotearoa. With 170+ stories in the bag, Elina does a lot of advocacy work around diversity, equity, inclusion and storytelling. She works as an Experience Designer in the health sector, with a background in product and strategy. Combining her experience in the tech sector and passion for equity work, she recently launched an Equitable Product cohort course, alongside 4 other kick-ass facilitators.

We talked through lots of interesting things including:
Ethics and equity in product management
Read: Design Justice by Sasha Costanza-Chock
Listen: Asian in Aotearoa

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

Here is a rerun of an episode with Elina. We had a lot of fun chatting to her, so we hope you enjoy this throwback.
Elina is a co-founder of <a href="https://www.storyo.co.nz/">Storyo</a>, a platform that shares the journeys of women and gender diverse people in Aotearoa. With 170+ stories in the bag, Elina does a lot of advocacy work around diversity, equity, inclusion and storytelling. She works as an Experience Designer in the health sector, with a background in product and strategy. Combining her experience in the tech sector and passion for equity work, she recently launched an <a href="https://colabcohorts.com/equitable-product">Equitable Product cohort course</a>, alongside 4 other kick-ass facilitators.
We talked through lots of interesting things including:
<ul>
<li>Ethics and equity in product management</li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.penguin.co.nz/books/design-justice-9780262043458">Design Justice by Sasha Costanza-Chock</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.asianinaotearoa.com/">Asian in Aotearoa</a></li>
</ul>
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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
Get in touch: <a href="mailto:productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com">productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com</a>
Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

[Rerun] 25. Elina Ashimbayeva: ethics and equity and experiences

Today we have a rerun of an early episode talking to Ramanan Moorthy.

Ramanan is a Product Manager at Xero and has been with the company nearly 4 years. Ramanan is a pragmatic product leader who subscribes to modern product management practices. In the recent past, he contributed to the product community via Product Tank Auckland; by connecting NZ product people with international product thought- leaders. His career goal is to help demystify product management and help create good product leaders. His proudest achievement outside work is climbing Everest Base Camp which is about 5400m height in Himalayas.

Ramanan shared some awesome links, and we hope you enjoy them too:
Motivational mapping & Developmental plan https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVPfuGJ-g=/
Success triangle http://cohenbrown.com/performance-grapevine/5-behaviors-that-effect-change-my-personal-journey/
Transformational listening https://productmasterynow.com/blog/384-why-listening-is-the-next-product-management-superpower-with-christine-miles/
1 Hour 1 Page https://medium.com/on-human-centric-systems/one-page-one-hour-c064e27009ee
Getting stakeholder buy-in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7MWiLvMXXQ

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

Today we have a rerun of an early episode talking to Ramanan Moorthy.
Ramanan is a Product Manager at Xero and has been with the company nearly 4 years. Ramanan is a pragmatic product leader who subscribes to modern product management practices. In the recent past, he contributed to the product community via Product Tank Auckland; by connecting NZ product people with international product thought- leaders. His career goal is to help demystify product management and help create good product leaders. His proudest achievement outside work is climbing Everest Base Camp which is about 5400m height in Himalayas.
Ramanan shared some awesome links, and we hope you enjoy them too:
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<li data-stringify-indent="0" data-stringify-border="0">Motivational mapping &amp; Developmental plan <a href="https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVPfuGJ-g=/" data-stringify-link="https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVPfuGJ-g=/" data-sk="tooltip_parent" data-remove-tab-index="true">https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVPfuGJ-g=/</a></li>
<li data-stringify-indent="0" data-stringify-border="0">Success triangle <a href="http://cohenbrown.com/performance-grapevine/5-behaviors-that-effect-change-my-personal-journey/" data-stringify-link="http://cohenbrown.com/performance-grapevine/5-behaviors-that-effect-change-my-personal-journey/" data-sk="tooltip_parent" data-remove-tab-index="true">http://cohenbrown.com/performance-grapevine/5-behaviors-that-effect-change-my-personal-journey/</a></li>
<li data-stringify-indent="0" data-stringify-border="0">Transformational listening <a href="https://productmasterynow.com/blog/384-why-listening-is-the-next-product-management-superpower-with-christine-miles/" data-stringify-link="https://productmasterynow.com/blog/384-why-listening-is-the-next-product-management-superpower-with-christine-miles/" data-sk="tooltip_parent" data-remove-tab-index="true">https://productmasterynow.com/blog/384-why-listening-is-the-next-product-management-superpower-with-christine-miles/</a></li>
<li data-stringify-indent="0" data-stringify-border="0">1 Hour 1 Page <a href="https://medium.com/on-human-centric-systems/one-page-one-hour-c064e27009ee" data-stringify-link="https://medium.com/on-human-centric-systems/one-page-one-hour-c064e27009ee" data-sk="tooltip_parent" data-remove-tab-index="true">https://medium.com/on-human-centric-systems/one-page-one-hour-c064e27009ee</a></li>
<li data-stringify-indent="0" data-stringify-border="0">Getting stakeholder buy-in <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7MWiLvMXXQ" data-stringify-link="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7MWiLvMXXQ" data-sk="tooltip_parent" data-remove-tab-index="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7MWiLvMXXQ</a></li>
</ol>
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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
Get in touch: <a href="mailto:productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com">productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com</a>
Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

[Rerun] 12. Ramanan Moorthy: transformational listening and 1 hour 1 pagers

Here is a re-run of Season 1 Episode 30. We hope you enjoy this episode with Tanya Johnson.

Tanya has worked in product teams for 20+ years, with leadership roles spanning across strategy, product management, design, and software development. Specialising in high growth fast-scaling technology and SaaS companies, Tanya strives to create diverse team environments - championing the development of innovative products that reflect our communities. 

Tanya leads multiple product and engineering teams in her role as Chief Product Officer at Auror, and is responsible for its ethical product development focus. Tanya understands the pivotal role software plays in minimising the harm to marginalised communities, and draws on her significant experience in tech and SaaS to navigate this path. 

A champion of women's and LGBTQ+ voices, Tanya is the founder of the well-known organisation NZTech WomeNB (formerly Women in Tech), advocating for greater visibility, voices, and roles for women and non-binary people in the wider tech industry.

In this episode we talked about many things including:
How having 1-1s fills Tanya's cup and how she worked out what brings her joy at work
Executive coaches and mentoring new PMs
How diverse teams help solve problems
The secret sauce: what Tanya looks for in a Product Manager
AI: global responsibility and government legislation
Negative roadmaps (what's not on the roadmap)
Read: Intelligent Disobedience by Ira Chaleff and Shouting Zeros and Ones by Andrew Chen
Listen: We F*@kin Love Startups hosted by Troy Hammond

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

Here is a re-run of Season 1 Episode 30. We hope you enjoy this episode with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanyanjohnson/">Tanya Johnson.</a>
Tanya has worked in product teams for 20+ years, with leadership roles spanning across strategy, product management, design, and software development. Specialising in high growth fast-scaling technology and SaaS companies, Tanya strives to create diverse team environments - championing the development of innovative products that reflect our communities. 
Tanya leads multiple product and engineering teams in her role as Chief Product Officer at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/auror/">Auror</a>, and is responsible for its ethical product development focus. Tanya understands the pivotal role software plays in minimising the harm to marginalised communities, and draws on her significant experience in tech and SaaS to navigate this path. 
A champion of women's and LGBTQ+ voices, Tanya is the founder of the well-known organisation NZTech WomeNB (formerly Women in Tech), advocating for greater visibility, voices, and roles for women and non-binary people in the wider tech industry.
In this episode we talked about many things including:
<ul>
<li>How having 1-1s fills Tanya's cup and how she worked out what brings her joy at work</li>
<li>Executive coaches and mentoring new PMs</li>
<li>How diverse teams help solve problems</li>
<li>The secret sauce: what Tanya looks for in a Product Manager</li>
<li>AI: global responsibility and government legislation</li>
<li>Negative roadmaps (what's not on the roadmap)</li>
<li>Read:<a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43466692-intelligent-disobedience"> Intelligent Disobedience</a> by Ira Chaleff and <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54895528-shouting-zeros-and-ones">Shouting Zeros and Ones </a>by Andrew Chen</li>
<li>Listen:<a href="https://www.talent.army/news?news-tags=podcast"> We F*@kin Love Startups</a> hosted by Troy Hammond</li>
</ul>
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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
Get in touch: <a href="mailto:productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com">productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com</a>
Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

19. Sarah Cunliffe: learning to sunshine failure

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