Point God is a production of I Heart Radio. I'm gonna keep my brain. I'm betting on myself. I'm gonna keep my brain. I'm gonna go. Courtney Bander salutes vision, I'm gonna go. Kyrie's finishing three steps shooting, and I'm gonna go. Be Diddy handles. Ladies and gentlemen, We're back. It's your boy b d hey Ka boom diesel hey k being ditty and you are listening to the Point God podcast show on I Heart Radio. Shout out to Slick for putting this on. Ladies, gentlemen, boys, girls, people, my people. Guess what you know when you hear a long pause, you know it's something special. This is the last episode of the Point God podcast and the Point Goud Podcast Unravels goes into the minds of some of the most incredible leaders, creators, the one of Ones, the point Guards, who are initiators orchestrators, going back to their past. How did they do it? How did they get there? How did they become the people that they are? Ladies and gentlemen. This one it's for the women. A Point God package official Nato Savanta drafted, but the Seattle Storm a four time w NBA champion, a twelve time w NBA All Star, a five time euro League champion, a five time Russian League champion. Named to the w team, one of the greatest basketball players you hear me, one of the greatest point guys that has been blessed and have given us heart, intelligence, leadership, spirit. Everyone. Let's give our roses to none other than Sue Bird. You know. Also coming back, like coming back from the injury and then the run you had right uh, finishing out Yukon and then also like you know what that was like to you know, overcome this injury, go on this run of success and like national championships and then they get drafted into the w n B A right, and what meant you know, because I felt like in and women's women's sports, women's basketball, it was like a real entrical and pivotal moment right where you know, something was starting, you know what I mean, like it was starting to brew. Yeah yeah, yeah, So like from a c L tre to that basically what the injury did, Like nothing was going to be as hard as that, especially that first month. I mean I still can't straight my knee all the way. Like nothing was going to be as hard as that. So it kind of like from like a mental toughness standpoint set me up because it was like, hey, I now was probably like a little more grateful that I could even play. I don't really live in that space. I feel like the space of like play every game like it's your last, or be thankful you even have it. That can get heavy. I can't play heavy. I need to play light. So like I don't necessarily live in that space. But I think like there was like some gratitude happening that I was even able to play and get over the injury. But I think it's shaped who I was. It's that injury shaped who I was as a person, as a player. Um, and so then you kind of are able to overcome whatever it is has thrown your way. So we went on to win two titles, especially my senior year. To go out on a win. Not a lot of seniors can say that. So it's just like I have all good It's like people ask about getting busy, but yeah, I mean we had a good year. Talk about the environment. I was out there, Oh my goodness, it was going up. It was it was yeah, I mean, sold out crowds, we play some of the gample on campus is like ten thousand. Then we play in Hartford that's like sixteen seventeen. Sold out. Whether we're playing you know, Tennessee, our biggest rival, or just like whoever was in the conference where even if they were in like last place, didn't matter. We were a show. We were a traveling show. So no matter where we went, places are sold out. You know, it was cool like yet celebrities coming to games, Like people wanted to check us out. We were we were kind of in like that was like the aora we had. Um, Yeah, it was cool. A lot of it's it's funny because women's college basketball is obviously big, it's grown since two thousand two. But it's funny because even nowadays, like given everything that's happening, people will always come up to me and be like, oh, you know you guys are your senior year a Yukon, Like what I remember watching those games? Like people always want to bring that time up because we were were like a little bit of a traveling, traveling circus um. And it's because we played like a certain kind of basketball that was fun to watch. We were killing people. It didn't matter. People still want to watch it um and then obviously we want the whole thing. And then it was Draft Day and then like talk about that, like, you know, because I believe, like the w n b A was not the first destination right for a lot of women basketball. Like before the w n b A kind of came around, there was always like you know, the euro the rest you know, had to go from college, you know to a lot of play in Europe, you know, talk about like in your era, and in that moment, that was like a pivotal time for women's basketball because I do believe the w n b A was starting and wanting to expand in you know, expanding the teams, etcetera. Yeah, So the wb I'm like trying to get my dates. Sorry, the w b started in like I'm a junior. I'm like going into my senior year of high school. So and that's year one. So I always say that, like my class was actually one of the first recruiting classes like in all of college sports or women's college basketball to think of your college choice, right, to think of the w n b A when you're choosing a college, Like it was kind of like you're like, all right, who's going to help me get to this next level because to your point, without the w b A so prior to so when I'm eleven, twelve, thirteen coming up, I'm not I'm not trying to hear going to Europe, like, but that's what the option was. I'm not trying to hear it, but that's what the option was. You heard of these players and like, in order to play professionally, you got to go to Europe and play and all this stuff. But I'm I'm twelve, Like, I'm not even thinking about that. So that's kind of where circling back to the Jena z Olympics. I could hang my hat on that like that I could be like, okay, that I could that I'm going to try to do. But then finally my junior year it became like, okay, there's a w n b A, like we can play at home now. But it still does like blow my mind a little bit that here I am. I've been in the w b A for like twenty years and I think back to that first year. I think back to that first year and I'm like, oh my god, the league was only four years old. It was going and it was like, well, it's like five years old. I guess I got into the league when it was five years old. That's so young. That's crazy, and it's like it blows my mind. I'm like, that is why, because I don't really the Cheryl Swoops, the Lisa Leslie's, the Dons, Stalely's, Tina Thompson. I don't really put myself in that like they're appear to me like they're the they're the pioneers. But I do know like when you kind of zoom out because because especially because I'm still playing, but when you zoom out, like I am kind of sort of part of that early error. Yeah, so it's kind of this it's hard to digest for me, to be honest. It was you know for me watching this sisterhood right and watching this display of just like basketball culture, right, I think you know, once I think the n b A for one, you know, the NBA became better with the w n b A, you know, became a part of it, right because now the culture of basketball, you know, even the jersey style, how you rock your jerseys, the protests, like you know, I'm just the biggest fan of you know, just the the risk, the fight, right, uh, you know, and the path and and the path that is being late for women's sports, like talk about you know, being a part of that, right and and and where would you like to see you know, um, the w n b A go. Yeah, um, you know it's it's interesting because the w b A when it started was hot, right, I already named some of the names. It was hot, and those those names, those players like carried us while it was in that heat wave. And then what happened was shortly after I got into the w b A. And this is no one's fault. This isn't This is just kind of like how it happened, right, It's definitely not players fault. I know that much. It plateau. There wa a plateau. It's just a plateau. It made have even dipped. And I think what's really cool about being part of the generation on part of is that I did see those those early days and kind of I had a little bit of the heat. The heat was starting to cool off, but I felt a little bit of the heat where it was like the w b A is hot. But then I also experienced, like I said, that plateau and now to kind of see it take off again and these last couple of years has been really rewarding because all the players in the middle, right, like all the players that have been the league, not necessarily day one, day one, but early two. Now, they they're the ones that kept it afloat, and they did it without a lot of the support that a lot of men's leagues get, right, Like, yes, we had the support from the NBA, of course, they owned half of us. We had support from our own owners, of course, but like media coverage, sponsorship, like all the things that needed that is needed, that is needed, yeah, needed exactly we weren't getting. And I know that people talk about chicken and egg like which came first? Does does demand have kept? I don't know that demand comes first when it comes to sports leagues, But regardless, we had it and just it trickled away. And so it's I always like to give a shout out to all those players because in that middle time, because they kept it going for real. And then now we have this generation that's going to take this thing and run with it. Because the one thing I'm sure you know, like the younger generation, they don't they don't put up with they don't put up with it like the like they yeah, they don't put up with bullshit. They stay up the yes, like like Sedona Prince with the n c A tournament, she was like, oh, hell no, this is the weight room. This is exactly acceptable, unacceptable. Yeah, so I know that they're going to keep that thing going. And I think a big part of it was like also, and it's like a bigger conversation, but like society had to kind of catch up, you know. He also like they had to catch up and also be held accountable in certain ways in order for us to have an opportunity a chance, because that's really all we want. Like a lot of times you hear about w NBA players being like we want equal pay. That is not saying that me super deserves Lebron James money tomorrow just because of equality in the name of equality, know what we what we want is just the opportunity to grow, just to have a chance to grow an investment. Yeah, we want the investment. We want the attention. Yo yo yo, we gotta tap in real quick. Let's hear a quick wear from our sponsor. Yeah, we want the investment, the attention. We want to be heard, we want to be listened to. We want the accis like, um, you know, it's you are multi hype in it. We are more than you can ever imagine if you give us the opportunity. And I think it's like that's where you know, we start, you know, throwing roses again in your arena, right because you know, so someone has to someone has to be ridicule for it too, right, and someone has to be challenged for it too. And you know, um, you know, I just want you to speak on that, you know, just because you know women in sports, like if you could give you know, um, you know, your your words of wisdom right to the young young women out here, right, and and also the men out here in sports like as you know, as a boy right and in the think of it right now, right, because there's an opportunity for this thing to blossom. You know, what kind of words would you want to impart to your people? Yeah? I think like generally, I think people need to start looking at us as an investment and not like a charitable case. I think for a while we were kind of like a box you could check like, oh yeah I support women check, you know. And now it's like now like you need to view us as an investment. I think everybody knows who's ever been a part of investing starting businesses, Like, that's a commitment and you have to be involved in it and you have to be dedicated to it, not just throw money at it. UM. So that's like kind of one general idea or theme I guess for young girls, young women, I think it's don't be afraid. I mean, we just kind of joked about how this generation uses their platform so well, but it's like, I still think as young women there's a hesitancy like in certain rooms too, to say to to speak your opinion, to say the things you know, to to speak up on things, and and and call out the things you see. Um. And the Sedona Prince story with the NA tournament really is the best example, because I mean it cracks me up when I read the n c as response. They're kind of just like, oh, yeah, we didn't think of that, and you're just like, what you didn't think of it? It didn't occur to you. But sometimes that's what it is, and sometimes that's simple and then you say it and then you get it and you're like, oh, um. I think for young boys, UM, that's what makes by the way, that's what makes having sports on TV and having it be accessible women's sports, because I think this younger generation of boys, it's just going to be like part of their normal, everyday life and it won't be this new thing they have to like get accustomed to, because I think what happens for some jen rations of boys who obviously now I've grown into men, is there's this like sizing up that happens. Like they see a woman's basketball player and they kind of go like, oh, I could beat her, but it's like just just respect it. It doesn't matter who wins one on one, you know, like and that's people always yeah, well that too. But people always ask me like, why do you think the NBA guys can like watch a game, a w n B a game, you know, like are fans of it or into whatever whatever? And I'm like, because they just like watch basketball. They're not sizing everything up. They're not being like can I or can I not do this? What how would I do in this game? But guys who aren't as good as NBA players, that's what they do. It's like a trap. Yeah yeah, yo, you know what time it is. You know, this show wouldn't be where it is if they went for our sponsors. Let them have it. Yeah they're haters. Yeah, I mean they're they're they're ultimately like you know, fans are haters too, and it's like you're just a hater of talent, right, and people who love the game right and appreciate the game, we love talent, and if you are ninety or two, it's like we just want to be a part of something because of the feeling and because really like there's a certain type of love that shared, you know, Um, when people gather around a game of basketball. Okay, we have a lightning round. Okay, one minute to answer these different topics. Okay, first, if you were to put together your ideal point god, any attribute, okay, any skills, set, any arm length, any body part, any brain, you have five parts, Okay, let's together, Go ahead, go ahead. Um, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna keep my brain. I'm gonna keep my brain. I'm getting on myself. I'm gonna keep my brain. Um, I'm gonna go. Courtney bander salutes like division. I'm gonna go. Kyrie's finishing m Okay, I have three steps shooting and I'm gonna go be Diddy handles. Yeah, yes, they can't even say how many times I try to do the spin move where you dropped it. That was like because I wasn't that commercial. That was like, oh my god, I did this nonst I'm flattered. Oh my goodness. Okay, you've been named for that. I don't you should name it? Yeah, Okay, here we go another minute. You had there are five point guards point guards that have been influential in your game. Okay, pot of gumbo, and they were ingredients to the super berb pot of gumbo. What would those five ingredients be from other people? Though that you into your gumbo? Okay, okay, okay, So what have I stolen? Um? I see where we're going. We've got Nsia Butler's pull up. We've got um Oh my god, this is this is harder than I thought. Okay, let me think. So I'm a big I'm a big Mike Bibby fan. So he I didn't get into it, but like right around that high school error, that was when he That was when Arizona went to the finals, the championship. Huge Mike. That was my favorite player still is so from like there's not one thing but Mike was like a scoring point guard and I was like, oh, okay, because a player I could say is t Sha Penachero. Watched her when she was in college, and just like her, I don't have as much flare as her. Every now and then I'll like throw, I'll pull something out. She's like that way more. But like her flare and her style, I like, yeah. But then I saw someone like Mike Bibby and I was like, oh, you can score and facilitate, Like you can do both. So like the balance of scoring and facilitating passing is from Mike, a little bit of the passing flair I don't have nearly as much but tsha um. And then we got the pull up, so I need two more. God, I'm trying to think of like what players I've seen that are just so smart, like just super super smart. Um. I think Jason kids all go onely, he just like picks it apart. Yeah, I kind of am. I don't know. Yeah, I could probably get Yeah, I need to hit the weight room to get like a little bigger and to be in your guys category a little stronger. I mean, um, but yeah, sometimes I look around, I'm like, well, dang, everyone's shorter than me. Um. So yeah, well that's like my four I have to think of a fifth one come back. I don't want to stall your game trying to think of other people and um, and the last one minute question is you decided that you were going to play this year for a minimum contract. Yeah, m hm, why and why is winning important to you? It's actually pretty simple. It's like I don't really especially at my age, but I think this could have I could have said this for any year. I don't really I shouldn't say see the point. I see the Obviously, it's basketball. We love to play. It's fun, it's a game. But like for me, I don't really see the point if I'm not on a contender, Like what am I doing? I can do other things in life, Like I don't really have that you know, need to prove anything, quote unquote prove anything. So it's more just I want to be on a winning team. And the way the w b A set up, the way the salary cap set up, it's a tight squeeze. So I understood we were going to need money to get other people to help our roster out. So I was like, well, the money is not important. Plus that do that in women's basketball because the w b A contracts aren't as fruitful as some other leagues. You make money when you win. So my whole thought process is a I'd rather be on a winner, period. Forget the money for a second, but then be If you're on a winner and your team wins, you kind of end up, you know, making out anyways. So I'd rather give my chance. I'd rather like raise my chances in that way. Um So it really wasn't no brainer. I know some people don't get it, but it really wasn't no brainer. The heart and the vision of a champion on yourself. And then, last but not least, if they is one point guard or one point guard that she like, you know what you get off of this team? Me play these people anybody in the world, anybody in the world. It's like, you know what, good job. But like, let's say, I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna figure this out for you. I have an answer I have at all. Right, this isn't about luckily, this is my homie was the point guard. She's gonna she she wanted me to come to this team too. So there's no disrespect happening here. This is known that there was a moment where I was a free agent. The storm was like rebuilding, and it was kind of like and so there was a moment where I considered going back to New York, right, like going home playing for the Liberty. It would have been ridiculous, it would have been epic. And that the year before they were good. They so they finished in the top. They were the one or two. They were bombed. So we're talking Tina Charles, Epiphany, Prince Tunisia, right, that's my homie. Um Swin Cash is on the team. They just had drafted Kia Stokes, like a bunch of bunch of like names like good as players. They were missing a point guard though, and and t so I bring this up, we laugh, like he was the point guard. They had a rookie point guard too. But I was like, when we can move over to the two, we could just move to the please well operate, get it? And they lost. So they got to the playoffs and they lost like in the first round, which is like that single elimination. I guess that means they finished third or fourth. But anyways, I just remember watching them being like I was becoming a free agent, and I remember thinking like if I was on that team. Yeah, things will be a little different, a little different. Maybe the Liberty would still be in Minetta. No, I'm just laying amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing. 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Point God is a production of I Heart Radio. I'm gonna keep my brain. I'm betting on myself. I'm gonna keep my brain. I'm gonna go. Courtney Bander salutes vision, I'm gonna go. Kyrie's finishing three steps shooting, and I'm gonna go. Be Diddy handles. Ladies and gentlemen, We're back. It's your boy b d hey Ka boom diesel hey k being ditty and you are listening to the Point God podcast show on I Heart Radio. Shout out to Slick for putting this on. Ladies, gentlemen, boys, girls, people, my people. Guess what you know when you hear a long pause, you know it's something special. This is the last episode of the Point God podcast and the Point Goud Podcast Unravels goes into the minds of some of the most incredible leaders, creators, the one of Ones, the point Guards, who are initiators orchestrators, going back to their past. How did they do it? How did they get there? How did they become the people that they are? Ladies and gentlemen. This one it's for the women. A Point God package official Nato Savanta drafted, but the Seattle Storm a four time w NBA champion, a twelve time w NBA All Star, a five time euro League champion, a five time Russian League champion. Named to the w team, one of the greatest basketball players you hear me, one of the greatest point guys that has been blessed and have given us heart, intelligence, leadership, spirit. Everyone. Let's give our roses to none other than Sue Bird. You know. Also coming back, like coming back from the injury and then the run you had right uh, finishing out Yukon and then also like you know what that was like to you know, overcome this injury, go on this run of success and like national championships and then they get drafted into the w n B A right, and what meant you know, because I felt like in and women's women's sports, women's basketball, it was like a real entrical and pivotal moment right where you know, something was starting, you know what I mean, like it was starting to brew. Yeah yeah, yeah, So like from a c L tre to that basically what the injury did, Like nothing was going to be as hard as that, especially that first month. I mean I still can't straight my knee all the way. Like nothing was going to be as hard as that. So it kind of like from like a mental toughness standpoint set me up because it was like, hey, I now was probably like a little more grateful that I could even play. I don't really live in that space. I feel like the space of like play every game like it's your last, or be thankful you even have it. That can get heavy. I can't play heavy. I need to play light. So like I don't necessarily live in that space. But I think like there was like some gratitude happening that I was even able to play and get over the injury. But I think it's shaped who I was. It's that injury shaped who I was as a person, as a player. Um, and so then you kind of are able to overcome whatever it is has thrown your way. So we went on to win two titles, especially my senior year. To go out on a win. Not a lot of seniors can say that. So it's just like I have all good It's like people ask about getting busy, but yeah, I mean we had a good year. Talk about the environment. I was out there, Oh my goodness, it was going up. It was it was yeah, I mean, sold out crowds, we play some of the gample on campus is like ten thousand. Then we play in Hartford that's like sixteen seventeen. Sold out. Whether we're playing you know, Tennessee, our biggest rival, or just like whoever was in the conference where even if they were in like last place, didn't matter. We were a show. We were a traveling show. So no matter where we went, places are sold out. You know, it was cool like yet celebrities coming to games, Like people wanted to check us out. We were we were kind of in like that was like the aora we had. Um, Yeah, it was cool. A lot of it's it's funny because women's college basketball is obviously big, it's grown since two thousand two. But it's funny because even nowadays, like given everything that's happening, people will always come up to me and be like, oh, you know you guys are your senior year a Yukon, Like what I remember watching those games? Like people always want to bring that time up because we were were like a little bit of a traveling, traveling circus um. And it's because we played like a certain kind of basketball that was fun to watch. We were killing people. It didn't matter. People still want to watch it um and then obviously we want the whole thing. And then it was Draft Day and then like talk about that, like, you know, because I believe, like the w n b A was not the first destination right for a lot of women basketball. Like before the w n b A kind of came around, there was always like you know, the euro the rest you know, had to go from college, you know to a lot of play in Europe, you know, talk about like in your era, and in that moment, that was like a pivotal time for women's basketball because I do believe the w n b A was starting and wanting to expand in you know, expanding the teams, etcetera. Yeah, So the wb I'm like trying to get my dates. Sorry, the w b started in like I'm a junior. I'm like going into my senior year of high school. So and that's year one. So I always say that, like my class was actually one of the first recruiting classes like in all of college sports or women's college basketball to think of your college choice, right, to think of the w n b A when you're choosing a college, Like it was kind of like you're like, all right, who's going to help me get to this next level because to your point, without the w b A so prior to so when I'm eleven, twelve, thirteen coming up, I'm not I'm not trying to hear going to Europe, like, but that's what the option was. I'm not trying to hear it, but that's what the option was. You heard of these players and like, in order to play professionally, you got to go to Europe and play and all this stuff. But I'm I'm twelve, Like, I'm not even thinking about that. So that's kind of where circling back to the Jena z Olympics. I could hang my hat on that like that I could be like, okay, that I could that I'm going to try to do. But then finally my junior year it became like, okay, there's a w n b A, like we can play at home now. But it still does like blow my mind a little bit that here I am. I've been in the w b A for like twenty years and I think back to that first year. I think back to that first year and I'm like, oh my god, the league was only four years old. It was going and it was like, well, it's like five years old. I guess I got into the league when it was five years old. That's so young. That's crazy, and it's like it blows my mind. I'm like, that is why, because I don't really the Cheryl Swoops, the Lisa Leslie's, the Dons, Stalely's, Tina Thompson. I don't really put myself in that like they're appear to me like they're the they're the pioneers. But I do know like when you kind of zoom out because because especially because I'm still playing, but when you zoom out, like I am kind of sort of part of that early error. Yeah, so it's kind of this it's hard to digest for me, to be honest. It was you know for me watching this sisterhood right and watching this display of just like basketball culture, right, I think you know, once I think the n b A for one, you know, the NBA became better with the w n b A, you know, became a part of it, right because now the culture of basketball, you know, even the jersey style, how you rock your jerseys, the protests, like you know, I'm just the biggest fan of you know, just the the risk, the fight, right, uh, you know, and the path and and the path that is being late for women's sports, like talk about you know, being a part of that, right and and and where would you like to see you know, um, the w n b A go. Yeah, um, you know it's it's interesting because the w b A when it started was hot, right, I already named some of the names. It was hot, and those those names, those players like carried us while it was in that heat wave. And then what happened was shortly after I got into the w b A. And this is no one's fault. This isn't This is just kind of like how it happened, right, It's definitely not players fault. I know that much. It plateau. There wa a plateau. It's just a plateau. It made have even dipped. And I think what's really cool about being part of the generation on part of is that I did see those those early days and kind of I had a little bit of the heat. The heat was starting to cool off, but I felt a little bit of the heat where it was like the w b A is hot. But then I also experienced, like I said, that plateau and now to kind of see it take off again and these last couple of years has been really rewarding because all the players in the middle, right, like all the players that have been the league, not necessarily day one, day one, but early two. Now, they they're the ones that kept it afloat, and they did it without a lot of the support that a lot of men's leagues get, right, Like, yes, we had the support from the NBA, of course, they owned half of us. We had support from our own owners, of course, but like media coverage, sponsorship, like all the things that needed that is needed, that is needed, yeah, needed exactly we weren't getting. And I know that people talk about chicken and egg like which came first? Does does demand have kept? I don't know that demand comes first when it comes to sports leagues, But regardless, we had it and just it trickled away. And so it's I always like to give a shout out to all those players because in that middle time, because they kept it going for real. And then now we have this generation that's going to take this thing and run with it. Because the one thing I'm sure you know, like the younger generation, they don't they don't put up with they don't put up with it like the like they yeah, they don't put up with bullshit. They stay up the yes, like like Sedona Prince with the n c A tournament, she was like, oh, hell no, this is the weight room. This is exactly acceptable, unacceptable. Yeah, so I know that they're going to keep that thing going. And I think a big part of it was like also, and it's like a bigger conversation, but like society had to kind of catch up, you know. He also like they had to catch up and also be held accountable in certain ways in order for us to have an opportunity a chance, because that's really all we want. Like a lot of times you hear about w NBA players being like we want equal pay. That is not saying that me super deserves Lebron James money tomorrow just because of equality in the name of equality, know what we what we want is just the opportunity to grow, just to have a chance to grow an investment. Yeah, we want the investment. We want the attention. Yo yo yo, we gotta tap in real quick. Let's hear a quick wear from our sponsor. Yeah, we want the investment, the attention. We want to be heard, we want to be listened to. We want the accis like, um, you know, it's you are multi hype in it. We are more than you can ever imagine if you give us the opportunity. And I think it's like that's where you know, we start, you know, throwing roses again in your arena, right because you know, so someone has to someone has to be ridicule for it too, right, and someone has to be challenged for it too. And you know, um, you know, I just want you to speak on that, you know, just because you know women in sports, like if you could give you know, um, you know, your your words of wisdom right to the young young women out here, right, and and also the men out here in sports like as you know, as a boy right and in the think of it right now, right, because there's an opportunity for this thing to blossom. You know, what kind of words would you want to impart to your people? Yeah? I think like generally, I think people need to start looking at us as an investment and not like a charitable case. I think for a while we were kind of like a box you could check like, oh yeah I support women check, you know. And now it's like now like you need to view us as an investment. I think everybody knows who's ever been a part of investing starting businesses, Like, that's a commitment and you have to be involved in it and you have to be dedicated to it, not just throw money at it. UM. So that's like kind of one general idea or theme I guess for young girls, young women, I think it's don't be afraid. I mean, we just kind of joked about how this generation uses their platform so well, but it's like, I still think as young women there's a hesitancy like in certain rooms too, to say to to speak your opinion, to say the things you know, to to speak up on things, and and and call out the things you see. Um. And the Sedona Prince story with the NA tournament really is the best example, because I mean it cracks me up when I read the n c as response. They're kind of just like, oh, yeah, we didn't think of that, and you're just like, what you didn't think of it? It didn't occur to you. But sometimes that's what it is, and sometimes that's simple and then you say it and then you get it and you're like, oh, um. I think for young boys, UM, that's what makes by the way, that's what makes having sports on TV and having it be accessible women's sports, because I think this younger generation of boys, it's just going to be like part of their normal, everyday life and it won't be this new thing they have to like get accustomed to, because I think what happens for some jen rations of boys who obviously now I've grown into men, is there's this like sizing up that happens. Like they see a woman's basketball player and they kind of go like, oh, I could beat her, but it's like just just respect it. It doesn't matter who wins one on one, you know, like and that's people always yeah, well that too. But people always ask me like, why do you think the NBA guys can like watch a game, a w n B a game, you know, like are fans of it or into whatever whatever? And I'm like, because they just like watch basketball. They're not sizing everything up. They're not being like can I or can I not do this? What how would I do in this game? But guys who aren't as good as NBA players, that's what they do. It's like a trap. Yeah yeah, yo, you know what time it is. You know, this show wouldn't be where it is if they went for our sponsors. Let them have it. Yeah they're haters. Yeah, I mean they're they're they're ultimately like you know, fans are haters too, and it's like you're just a hater of talent, right, and people who love the game right and appreciate the game, we love talent, and if you are ninety or two, it's like we just want to be a part of something because of the feeling and because really like there's a certain type of love that shared, you know, Um, when people gather around a game of basketball. Okay, we have a lightning round. Okay, one minute to answer these different topics. Okay, first, if you were to put together your ideal point god, any attribute, okay, any skills, set, any arm length, any body part, any brain, you have five parts, Okay, let's together, Go ahead, go ahead. Um, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna keep my brain. I'm gonna keep my brain. I'm getting on myself. I'm gonna keep my brain. Um, I'm gonna go. Courtney bander salutes like division. I'm gonna go. Kyrie's finishing m Okay, I have three steps shooting and I'm gonna go be Diddy handles. Yeah, yes, they can't even say how many times I try to do the spin move where you dropped it. That was like because I wasn't that commercial. That was like, oh my god, I did this nonst I'm flattered. Oh my goodness. Okay, you've been named for that. I don't you should name it? Yeah, Okay, here we go another minute. You had there are five point guards point guards that have been influential in your game. Okay, pot of gumbo, and they were ingredients to the super berb pot of gumbo. What would those five ingredients be from other people? Though that you into your gumbo? Okay, okay, okay, So what have I stolen? Um? I see where we're going. We've got Nsia Butler's pull up. We've got um Oh my god, this is this is harder than I thought. Okay, let me think. So I'm a big I'm a big Mike Bibby fan. So he I didn't get into it, but like right around that high school error, that was when he That was when Arizona went to the finals, the championship. Huge Mike. That was my favorite player still is so from like there's not one thing but Mike was like a scoring point guard and I was like, oh, okay, because a player I could say is t Sha Penachero. Watched her when she was in college, and just like her, I don't have as much flare as her. Every now and then I'll like throw, I'll pull something out. She's like that way more. But like her flare and her style, I like, yeah. But then I saw someone like Mike Bibby and I was like, oh, you can score and facilitate, Like you can do both. So like the balance of scoring and facilitating passing is from Mike, a little bit of the passing flair I don't have nearly as much but tsha um. And then we got the pull up, so I need two more. God, I'm trying to think of like what players I've seen that are just so smart, like just super super smart. Um. I think Jason kids all go onely, he just like picks it apart. Yeah, I kind of am. I don't know. Yeah, I could probably get Yeah, I need to hit the weight room to get like a little bigger and to be in your guys category a little stronger. I mean, um, but yeah, sometimes I look around, I'm like, well, dang, everyone's shorter than me. Um. So yeah, well that's like my four I have to think of a fifth one come back. I don't want to stall your game trying to think of other people and um, and the last one minute question is you decided that you were going to play this year for a minimum contract. Yeah, m hm, why and why is winning important to you? It's actually pretty simple. It's like I don't really especially at my age, but I think this could have I could have said this for any year. I don't really I shouldn't say see the point. I see the Obviously, it's basketball. We love to play. It's fun, it's a game. But like for me, I don't really see the point if I'm not on a contender, Like what am I doing? I can do other things in life, Like I don't really have that you know, need to prove anything, quote unquote prove anything. So it's more just I want to be on a winning team. And the way the w b A set up, the way the salary cap set up, it's a tight squeeze. So I understood we were going to need money to get other people to help our roster out. So I was like, well, the money is not important. Plus that do that in women's basketball because the w b A contracts aren't as fruitful as some other leagues. You make money when you win. So my whole thought process is a I'd rather be on a winner, period. Forget the money for a second, but then be If you're on a winner and your team wins, you kind of end up, you know, making out anyways. So I'd rather give my chance. I'd rather like raise my chances in that way. Um So it really wasn't no brainer. I know some people don't get it, but it really wasn't no brainer. The heart and the vision of a champion on yourself. And then, last but not least, if they is one point guard or one point guard that she like, you know what you get off of this team? Me play these people anybody in the world, anybody in the world. It's like, you know what, good job. But like, let's say, I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna figure this out for you. I have an answer I have at all. Right, this isn't about luckily, this is my homie was the point guard. She's gonna she she wanted me to come to this team too. So there's no disrespect happening here. This is known that there was a moment where I was a free agent. The storm was like rebuilding, and it was kind of like and so there was a moment where I considered going back to New York, right, like going home playing for the Liberty. It would have been ridiculous, it would have been epic. And that the year before they were good. They so they finished in the top. They were the one or two. They were bombed. So we're talking Tina Charles, Epiphany, Prince Tunisia, right, that's my homie. Um Swin Cash is on the team. They just had drafted Kia Stokes, like a bunch of bunch of like names like good as players. They were missing a point guard though, and and t so I bring this up, we laugh, like he was the point guard. They had a rookie point guard too. But I was like, when we can move over to the two, we could just move to the please well operate, get it? And they lost. So they got to the playoffs and they lost like in the first round, which is like that single elimination. I guess that means they finished third or fourth. But anyways, I just remember watching them being like I was becoming a free agent, and I remember thinking like if I was on that team. Yeah, things will be a little different, a little different. Maybe the Liberty would still be in Minetta. No, I'm just laying amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing. The W team, EuroLeague champion, Russian League champion, Globe triter, basketball ambassador, ambassador to women's sports, pioneer of culture, famous amongst the famous NBA seventy five commercials. He smile. We had a good time orchestrator, the disciplinary and the organizer than theociator, the painter, the rapper, the shark, the Koala bear too. You gotta you gotta have the balance, the humbleness, the ability to inspire, to lead, to be led, and to collaborate. The legend, the point god, one of my favorite of all time. Super ah ah, damn, they're going crazy. Here there they go. Man, they just in here. He's dropping. Thank you. I appreciate you, Thank you. This is fun. Yeah, this is dope, ladies and gentlemen. This is our last episode, people, this is our last episode of the point Guard podcast. It's been a pleasure to be your host. Who knows if this is getting passed off? Who knows if superer? 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