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How it All Started for John, All-Star Fixes, Who Wins NBA King of the Court

Published Feb 21, 2024, 8:23 PM

In Episode 1, John and C.J. talk about John's wild 18 hour ride from Raleigh to Chicago that put him on the national basketball map, and ultimately led him to the #1 pick in the NBA Draft, plus John's ideas about how to fix the Dunk Contest and All-Star game, and who he thinks would win an NBA King of the Court contest. John also weighs in on the Doc Rivers controversy, the Clippers chances to win the title this season, and where he thinks he could still fit in the NBA.

What's going on? Everyone? Welcome to Point Game presented by DraftKings. Don't forget DraftKings is your home for all the action across the NBA and gets too close to the game we all love. The crown is yours. Now. I'm one of your host CJ Toldono you might know me from House of Highlights follow through, but we all know I'm not the reason we're here. So without further ado, I want to introduce my permanent co host, the reason why we have this show. Give you a little credits here, five time NBA All Star, former number one overall pick, optimist Dime himself. Now I want to know the story behind that nickname. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome my co host, John Wall. John. How you feeling, man?

What's something? I'm super excited to be here. Man.

Everybody may tell me for a while to get on the podcast, so I'm glad I can be able to do this with you and just have some fun. Man, just talk about the game of basketball and just tell people what my experience has been about life or been in the NBA.

And all that.

Yeah, before or before we move on, I just want to be like, you know, everyone knows there's so many player podcasts right now, you know, from players you know in the league and and you know out of the league, like hoving around it. But I remember when we were like we got to do this pod. I was like, immediately, John Wall because I remember listening to that Theo Penson interviewed, just all the knowledge and wisdom and stories you dropped. I was like, we got to have this dude on a regular basis. So how excited are you doing this pod with us?

Super exciting? Man.

For me, I'm just like I feel like I'm just you know, a lot of people use the word real. I just don't like to use that so much. I just like to say I'm just gonna be honest, Like I rather just be honest and be one hundred with you at all times. And uh, that's how my mom raised me. And either some people don't like it. Some people are not gonna like you know what I mean. But in the day, like I know, I'm just being myself at all times and I'm not trying to fit in to be nobody else. And I think that's why a lot of people respect me.

Yeah.

Now, as I like to say, a hardcore basketball fan like I know ball and I will prove it through this through this series. But I think you have some gas in your tank. But we all know that, Paul to the NB and whatnot. So let us know, Like you're not on a squad right now, you're on the Clippers. Last what are you been up to?

Just working out, man, Just working out, staying ready. But most important, man, just being a dad, enjoying the time to be around my boys. Man, raise my kids, being able to take them to school, pick them up from school, take them to the activities you I mean, go to the school plays, watching them saying, getting little Christmas parades and stuff like that. My kids just started boxing last week, so you know what I mean. Just excited to put them in a lot of things. And you know, when you're when you're on a team, you're traveling a lot. And like my situation, if I was like in DC still, then my family would live there, you know what I mean, because they would know be there. But like if you like on a team for like maybe six months or a year, you don't know how long you're going to be there. It's kind of hard to move your family there, you know what I mean, Like it's tough like you look at Danny green situation. He was about to be on a team then they ended up cutting them in. His family had just got like started school. Then you gotta find some much to put him. Like that's always the toughest part. So if I don't know, if I got a longevity over there, I wouldn't bring my kids to my family. So being able to be there with them every day, wake them up, taking them practice, taking the school, do all these type of things. I'm joined it and embracing it being a father, and that's something I put pride in.

And that's actually kind of interesting and a big point of Like again, I come from NBA Twitter in that world, and we don't know like the nuances of being an NBA player. Now you mentioned Danny Green or people like you know, players like Ish Smith or whatever, who are kind of these NBA journeymen like you talked about a little bit. But what happens if you're on a new squad every year? Are you living, do you have like a main spot in the country, and then are you bringing your family out? Like how does that work?

Oh? Well for me?

Kind of like when I went to Houston, I didn't know how long I was gonna be there, you know. I mean, like I thought I was gonna be there long term, so you know what I mean, You just it happened so fast. I didn't have time to go buy a house with no need, so I just rented a condo, penhouse condo and just stayed there, you know what I mean. And my family would come down and come to games. But it was still tough though, because it was COVID at the time, so you really, I mean, Houston was one of the place that allowed you to have fans but a certain amount, so I was able to have my kids come out there and watch me, see me play a little bit. When I was in La, I rented a crib, I mean, because I had time to prepare for that. Like I signed in the summer, so I knew what I wanted, and I want this spot where I can just feel like I'm at home. I mean, like when my kids come, they got a backyard and stuff like that, because my kids like to be outside, they liked to do stuff. And when I went to Easton was kind of tough, but it was a COVID year, so it wasn't too frustrating. But I don't know, how a lot of people do it, but for me, it depends on what the price of ranges is for a house at that time. Being I have enough time to rent one, then I'm cool with writting. But I think like guys that go in and buy and not know how long they're gonna be there, that's kind of difficult.

Yeah, I think with this pod til I'm like, Okay, here's my biggest fear of John and it's also what I want to happen. Is Uh, you get signed by a team like ten days for the rest of the season, and you said you're taking care of your body and you're working out. So what does your daily life look like outside of doing this pod? Like, how are you staying ready?

Six thirty seven o'clock? Get up?

Sometimes I take the kids to school. Sometimes I help them get dressed. Did my workout started eight thirty? It was either basketball at first and or is lifting at my house. I turn my whole garage into a gym. I have almost every equipment you can have to make sure you're ready, and then I go court to weightlifting or go weightlifting the court. I'm probably doing it like twelve every day. I mean, I try to give myself, time to have my first meal at one, be able to shower, relax, run whatever errands I might have to run, or pick my kids up from school if I have to. So I try to get my date then by twelve, and Miami traffic ain't no good.

I remember, this is a story. I always knew about you because I've been a fan, and I was like, this seems like an urban legend. But then I saw you post about it on your Instagram, and so the first time, like you got sort of put on the map, and I think you know the story. I'm going to ask you about two thousand and seven. You were seventeen years old and you took an eighteen hour cab ride from North Carolina to Chicago to try out you weren't invited. I maybe you weren't invited but to try out for the Rebok camp, which then led you to get ranked. So can you tell us some details about that story?

Uh? Well, I give I give you more d for details into that. Man.

I used to be on scout dot com every day looking at everybody that's rank rifles dot com, and I'm like, bro, I can be up here like I'm nice.

I'm just as nice as them.

It's just shout out to David West, like, that's the first AU team ever played with garn Rod Bulldogs, you know what I mean. So that's how I ever got the opportunity to even be in AU and understand what that was about and being able to travel.

And see things in h Uh.

Brian Clifton that used to run D one sports like Eric Waller's Marshall Modes. All those guys came out of there, Me Quincy Miller, J T. Terrell, So many guys came out there, and they was a team that was traveling like being at the Big Showcase tournaments and things like that sponsored by a Rebok. Uh, and that opportunity to get on the circle with them that summer, but we took uh. We drove all the way from North Carolina to show to Chicago, me and J. T. Terrell and Brian Clifton and it was the Rebok Underclassman Camp, So I think I think before it was that before they changed it from ABCD camp, that camp used to be called.

Camp Next in Jersey.

Gotcha.

So we go there and they was like we only take five players from this camp. They get to go to the big camp reebok U, which used to be called ABCD Camp but they changed rebouk You. I'm like, all right, I'm be one of these five. Like I don't care who's here, what's going on. Funny thing is the first day I'm late, I got a mohawk. One, I'm already walking in there with a mohawk. Me and my homeboy JT. Thrill walking there with a mohawk, and my got around my autube programmers like, bro, that's not a good look, Like you need to clean image, like he always believe hit low cuts. And I was like, Bro, I'm gonna ware whatever style I want. I'm that nice one of there killed the camp, one of the five guys that get invited. So I'm like, all right, I did my dudes. We literally drive eighteen hours back to North Carolina and the Tudor beings like little. I'm in the back seats like little. We go there. I'm I'm probably home for like that whole week. Then we got to go to reebok U. So we drive from North Carolina right back to Philly. I'm like, bro, I'm tired of this, Like you know what I mean, I'm trying to get on a plane.

Or something. So we fly.

Never forget walking there the first day, you know, like it's a line everybody to getting their gear. Yeah, I'm looking around like them. I'm right here with the guys that I've been looking at it on scout dot com. So I'm like, all right, cool. So then I see Brandon Jennis and Isaiah Thomas come like they skipped the whole line. Like you know, they got a name, they've been at ABCD camp, they've been ranked in all this.

They skipped the line. They getting unlimited.

Gear, they getting shoes that we ain't getting. I'm like, damn, I gotta be like them, Like I gotta get some extra gear. I gotta take something back home. First game. Man, it's me, Malcolm Ly and Quinciation on my team.

You play. I think Renardo sitting with them. I'm not sure.

I don't want to be wrong, but I know Brandon Jennis's idea, Thomas with the back court. Yeah, and like we going back and forth, like back and forth.

I ain't gonna lie.

Probably like the first minute or two, I like always end up with the guy undereath the basket taking the ball out, and I'm like, I'm like, man, I ain't taking this shit out no more because you know, if you know, like Campson, you want the ball because you know, like at campus and stuff like this, you take the ball out, you ain't getting the ball back like you The last one up the court, they already and did their things. So I stopped that and I just got into a rhythm and start hooping. I never forget I had a black ashy tank top underneath, like this on your mind. Used to get you the grand black tank tops from Walmart. You couldn't wear no white one. So everybody talking about like who this skinny kid? Like who this skikny kid for North Carolina. I just put on the show like I was hooping. We end up losing, but it was a good ass game.

It was so lit. It was on the main court.

Everybody like stopped the games on the other two courts and its looking over like dn who that they hooping over there? Like it was windows Like I'm like, damn, I'm in the moment of this now and now I remember I got interviewed. I'm talking my lips, ashy shit tank ashy tank top showing and then from that day for it was up for there, like I just lived up to the rest of the camp, I started killing and killing, and uh, I never forget. We go to Vegas after this, my first time flying go to Vegas. I'm scared as hell anyway, cause I wake up on the turbulence over the mountains. I'm terrified. I'm like, nah, this ain't it. They started shaking. I'm like, I don't want to fly no more. And everybody was like, man, I think that was a flute. Like that just because he killed at the camp, that was a flute, Like he ain't gonna do in Vegas. I kill in Vegas. So then that's where my name got the buzzing and the rest was history for me.

Now that's crazy. So after that camp, what did you end up? Did you go back to scout dot com and then look for your.

Yeah, I was up there, Like I was all up there. Like even while I was at there, my boys call him like you on scout dot like you on right with like they talking about like you want the biggest surprise at the camp. Like I'm like, I told y'all like I knew how nice I was. I just never had the opportunity to be in front of those type of people like I always told a lot of people like you know what I mean?

You know what I mean, being from New York, being from.

LA being from Atlanta, being from Jersey Philly, those type of places, like they have that basketball mindset where they always on that spot, like on it in that disposure. And I feel like, since what I've done North Carolina, it's always been a basketball It's hoop state for sure.

Don't get me wrong.

I didn't start it, but I feel like I gave us the buzz to be known for who mixtapes balls like those mixtapes, and gave North Carolina another bus. Then you start having guys like J. T. Terrell, Quincy Miller, Dennis Smith, Junior Bam, TJ Warren, Rodney Purpos, all those guys came and just start kept it going to rocket.

That's crazy. So when you got to that camp and you mentioned I love hearing the other names Brandon, Jennings, Quincy Acy and all these guys, did you do you have any moves or plays in your head where you're like, man, I went at Jennings, I went at you know, were there any that stuck with you?

You guys the first game going at Brandon Isaiah Thomas, like these guys. Was those guys I looked at, you know what I mean, Like, Damn, these guys nicey hell. Like I remember when I was at Bob Gibbs. I think Brandon Jennis might have been a freshman of sophomore. He was on so called All Star probably winn of the best A teams. I seen him, Taylor King, Malik's story, Daniel Hackett, Kevin Love, Chase Butteringer.

I'm like, god, damn, like they loaded, you know what I mean.

Brandon Jenning is just coming through, breaking through the press, couldn't stop him, crazy, handle, crafty, make getting his shots off, athletic, and I was like, damn, he's nice as hell. So when I got the opportunity to play against him, like, well, I'm from you don't back down for nobody. You accept the challenge. I mean not saying I got the best of him, but I think I got respect from him from that day forward. And that's all you can ask for when you're going to gets top players. Is like I always said, I went into that camp hunting, you know what I mean, Because I didn't have a name. I had to make a name for myself. And when I got my name, I stayed with that mentality of being the guy that was hungry, Like I didn't want to people come hunting me. I'm like, I'm still hunting y'all, even though I am that guy now.

Yeah, And I always I'm a sneaker head, and so I always knew, like there were like three dudes I ever sent that first, you know, Steve Francis, and then you like, I was like, oh, John wall Is a signature athlete with Reebok. Were there some people that saw you at that camp? And like did the conversation even start there even though you didn't end of the league three years later?

No, I didn't. It really didn't.

Like I think I just caught a lot of people by surprise, to be honest, me, Like I know how nice I was, you know. I mean like I've always been a guy that was cold my whole life. I just never got to play outside and stayed in North Carolina unless I went.

To Nationals, you know what I mean.

And my team, we was good, but we wasn't like one of those top team that was in the championship game or the Lee eight every year, Like we wasn't that good, but we had nice guys on my team. But I just always knew, like a national I'm gonna show out like they gonna remember this kid, skinny kid with braids being from Gone the Road, like they gonna remember me. And I just think it all happens in mysterious ways. But nah, they didn't really look at me like that. Like my AU team high school team was Rebok. And then I think when I was coming out the draft, man, I went to Kentucky, you know what I mean, Like there was a le Bron school Nike, you know what I mean. And I came out of Kentucky and they was like, yo, we feel like you can be like the next Ai, like try to get Rebok back on the mat for us. I'm like, hell yeah, like that's my favorite player. And you know, like anybody coming out at the time be thinking like them, I want to be a Nike athlete. Who do I signed with?

You know what I mean?

And everybody knows that. And I had to sit down with Ai like two hours at the Rebok thing. He was like, bro, I was in the same position as you, And I was like, shit, I changed the culture for myself.

I'm like, shit, I want to do the same.

Damn Okay, This is a random ask question what you just inspired me by? Because yeah, everyone grilled rocking Jordan's. But then you're like, oh, I'm with a I'm with a company. They, I'm you know, sponsored by them. I was heard the urban legend that Ai was with Reebok, but he would rock like Jordan Levin's at Home and all that stuff. So do you know, I don't want to hurt your money at all, but like, were you rocking other brands?

He hurt my money at all?

No, you know, I mean like I ain't got no deal, right, I mean I ain't got no deal or nothing like that. But no, I didn't like not gonna lie like all my shoes. I just put him in the storage. Yeah, put him in the storage. But like like that's why I say shout out to O g Gi Ghila rings because at that time, it's like all I had was Rebox at the time. She I mean, like it was nothing else you really could wear, you know me, And they were just like having a Class six and Swiss Beats came around. All the rappers start signing to him, like Meet Meal, Swiss Beat, Rick Ross. So they started making like kamakazzis and things like that and trying to bring back some.

Of the old schools.

But Gil gat a blessed them with a lot of designer sneakers, you know what I mean, Like he gave me a load of designer sneakers. I was rocking ahead out of the designer sneakers.

Like, yeah, shout out to Gil. He he's the one dude whos wearing.

Like the No man, it was wild man we got We can talk about that another time with Get.

We'll have them on.

Yeah, we gotta have mo on. But Gil was man, I mean my game in La my rookie. He wore dotcha inkabanas with no shoestrings like straps. I'm like, bro, who this guy's crazy. But we both had thirty so I'm like, shit, he could do it.

I ain't trying that though. He running and cross runners and everything.

Yeah, okay, one more, one more thing about this story and then we'll go to break. So people said it was a cab. That's like some fresh prince ship where they're like, n.

Tell you one thing.

I don't think it makes it any under No, I don't.

Make it un cool.

But let me be honest. If I was gonna take a cab. I might well bought a flight. The flight would have been cheaper than the cab, to be honest, eighteen hours.

No, I ain't do that. They want a cab though, now it was we drove down though.

That's what I'm saying. It's like a fresh prince, you know in the theme where he hops from Philly in a cab and getting shows up in l A. And I was like, man, John Wall actually did that.

And if I did that, if I did that, I need all my money back that cab rade as long as hell, we'll.

Make a movie about it. Okay, all right, we're gonna take a break here, but uh, the big point of this show is we're gonna get John talking about, you know, the current stuff that's going on the league. Again, the insight from an actual player who's just been in the league recently is gonna be dope. So, John, when we come back, I want to ask you about the Dunk Contest because twenty fourteen you won. And then I also want to talk about the All Star Game because a lot of opinions floting around and I want to know how you can fix it or maybe you think it's cool the way it is, so when we come back on Point Game, We're gonna be here with John Waller. All right, welcome back to Point Game now, John, we're recording this. We're right in the middle of the break, the All Star break games come back on Thursday. But I was in Indy for All Star and I always have a good time, right and you know, we know there's parties and whatnot, but like the programming itself. Now, you were a five time NBA All Star. Let me reiterate that to people listening. You've been there multiple times. So what did you think about this year's All Star Because I think a lot of people are saying, we gotta fix we gotta fix the dunk contest, like everything's kind of boring. So what do you did you watch the All Star All Star weekend and what do you think about it? Uh?

Yeah, I watched it.

Be honest, even when I first went my first year it was in New Orleans, Like I was overwhelming. I mean, just being an All Star. I feel like I should have been one a year earlier that and I could have had more about then have the injuries I had, But you know, I mean it's all part of God's playing. But I think like you know what I mean, how you look at it growing up, Like when I watched the game, like one of my favorite games, I think it was in DC AI and then was going at it to the end when they would when they were.

Their real jerseys.

Yeah, like you look at it then and it was just so competitive, like you know what I mean, Like they wanted to win, And that's how I think it has to get back to. But I don't know how you get it there, you know what I mean. I think it's hard. But when I played, like it was competitive, like my first year.

I did.

We were the sleeve jerseys. Think we were to save Jersey, New Orleans. Yeah, we were the blue ones. So like it was a competitive ass game, Like I was one. I'm not saying I'm the reason why he won, but like I started us, like getting back into the game and making a run. That's when Kyrie went. Kyrie went MVP that year. He went crazy. He was lazies doing it. But like it was competitive. I think Mello hit eight threes that game. Like it was a competitive ass game, and I think they got to get back to that. But it's kind of hard because the league has changed, Like I think they took like seventy one threes is one team the other team to like sixty something like right, it's just what the game is now. There was like they want a lot of scoring. They won a lot of threes, and they want a lot of highlights, you know, I mean, like that's just what the game is involved into now. And like you know what I mean, I think when Dame shot twenty three threes and they made eleven of them, but shit, he shot two from half court and looked like it was effless.

Like well, that's what I'm saying. I don't think it's a problem with taking threes, but like they were uncontested right now.

I just think like it's like even just look how the start of the game goes like nobody's really competing, nobody really doing nothing.

And may maybe when.

Kobe was there, like it was had it like Kobe won bullshitting a round, like you know what I mean. It's because like for me, I look like you like the All Star Game should be like a pickup game.

That's what it really is.

You got the best twenty four players that the Nbay think is the best twenty four right now, they should be competing to each of them. I can't control, like why guys don't compete, why they do. I don't know how the Nbay could fix that. And I mean, I think there's something they all have to talk to about what the players and with those And I remember earlier on in my when I went, not say but early when I went, it was like right after the All Star Game, we probably had one of two days and we had to report back to this team, you know what I mean.

Like now they get them.

They give the All Star guys an extra four days so they can have their own break. So I think it's a little bit different now. I don't know, like, but it's changed. The league has changed so many ways, and the All Star Game has changed. I wasn't there, and I don't know how the parties and those all those accolades and things was. But like, yeah, dunk contest was boring, Like it wasn't a sighting at all. But I think it's hard though, because so many guys, I'm done, every damn dunk you basically could do. It's like you basically got to go get like the best of the best in the league and see what they can do.

So I mean, yeah, the dunk content was barring people the judging. I think a lot of people had some criticism on the judging, like they weren't given, you know, the appropriate scores.

I think, yeah, I agree with the topic. You know, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that for sure.

Well, and what is it because Jalen Brown is like, oh he's you know, he's a star, He's going to be the All Star Game. I think there was a bit of an agenda to get him to the final round.

I don't know, maybe so, like I think he had some cool dunks, but it's like dunks we already seen, Like those were right basic.

Dunks, you know what I mean.

Like, I know he's a freaking athlete, like Jaylen Brown taking out the way from him, but I think Jacob Toppit had better dunks to him. He just didn't get the scores for him, you know what I mean. And I think it's hard as difficult, you know what I mean. And also like you don't really have too many All Stars to try to anticipate in the dunk contest, So that might have been a reason why they wanted to get him to the next round.

So what do you think is that reason why these bigger players inn play because I was watching back in twenty fourteen and it was you George on the squad back when they did teams for the dunk contest. So why don't these bigger players do the dunk contest.

I don't know.

I don't know, Like I always told them, like they asked me to do it early, like a couple of years earlier before I got did and I told them, I said, if I make the All Star Game this year, I do the Dunk Contest, like I wanted my first time doing a dunk contest to be an All Star Game.

The team stuff was different. It was a little different for sure.

I wish it could have been like individuals, but I think it was still dope, like we had fun, like it was creative. They try to do something different and make it more excited. I'm glad Like they went back to the East versus West. I think that's the best. I think somebody came up with it. I think I seen on Twitter, Instagram, like I think this is how they do it in baseball, and I don't want to be wrong, but like whoever win the All Star Game gets home court throughout the finals. I think that's how you got to create stuff like that because teams want the home court in the finals, Like you gotta find ways to make it more like creative or even when they did the point thing like the remember I liked it when they did the point thing, like each quarter, whoever win the quarter they get like a bonus to the foundation or whatever it is. And then whoever at the end, you got a target score, Like I think that's dope. I thought that was dope. I think they have to find ways to be creative to make it a little bit more interesting because of naw, it's.

Like I didn't even know Kat had fifty.

Yeah, like you know what I mean, like just being realistic, like he had fifty and then he shot the ball thirty five times off the bench, Like that is crazy.

I well, so with the n season tournament and not to get off track, but like there was an incentivized like they incentivize the players, like you get half a mill or whatever, and it was public fans do that.

I feel like this, Yeah, I feel like that was dope because, like Dame said, one of the realist things, like some of the guys that's two way guys, and some of the guys that might not make the money that a lot of these stars make. They want that money, like that's some money that they can do some stuff with to take care of their family or take care of themselves. So they put a target on their back that everybody was competing to try to really win it, you know what I mean. So I think you have to do like you have to do things like that, you have to put trademark tender and things that's value to make you like, yo, I got it, Like I need this win, Like I want to win this for my guys. Because I enjoyed watching All Star games growing up. I enjoyed being in the All Star Game. I feel like all the ones I was in was competitive, and then I went to the last one that Kobe was in in Toronto, and that was real competitive, you know what I mean, Like him and him and Lebron having the io matchup on the wing, that like idle picture that everybody has, Like.

Yeah, I just think he's ruined. Jake are always doing the most on the sideline.

But I just feel like Kobe, like I think everybody like that's kind of like when Mike got in a game, Like you know what I mean, Like shit, they compare this, they dogs like they're not playing around like kind of I'd be honest to like when Russell West was in the All Star Game, like he didn't mess around, Like yeah, because like those guys played with that one motor. They never turned it off, no matter if it's a pick up game, one on one, two on two, like they just played like that at all times. And I think you gotta have that going on if you want to bring the All Star Game back. For me, when I play like I always treat it, this might be my last time able to play basketball, you know what I mean, So I just try to give a hundred seeing effort at all times.

Well, okay, so we were talking about the dunk contest. We had some younger players who are being asked about it, and they were saying, like, we don't need the dunk contests. We've seen it all and they were recommending and I think you'll love this king of the court one on one Like I've been saying, dunk contest in one on one. So what do you think? How how come it's not happening because it seems so obvious.

It depends.

It goes back to like do the stars players want to play one on one you know what I mean? Like, do they want to really go through a King of a court?

You know what I mean?

That's all the bores down to, you know, I mean, like the guys that's the face of the league, the guys that has that power and say so in the league. Is like, do they really want to go through that?

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I think it would be dope. They go through a one on one series, the two on two series, something like that, like I've seen Gil talking about on his podcast. But it all depends do you really want to get through that?

You know what I mean?

Like, I think that would be dope and exciting. And I think we haven't seen a lot of dunks, but you can still see some more.

You just got to be creative.

But I think it's just like you say, it's really hard because so manyunks have been done. But you look at the team flight Brother, they come up with some new dunks every other day. I'm like, what in the world.

And I'm like, some of the like that's how I came up with the dunk I did in the Dunk contest. I didn't know what to do.

That's why, And tell me, what the preparation are there, like consultants are people going to some of those professional dunkers and be like I need a few for my bag and.

Like literally I didn't even like literally I was doing like because I knew it was a team and I was like, man, I gotta think of one dunk to do when I'm by myself for my one dunk, and I was gonna go behind my back like jar Smith did. I did it at the Chris Paul pickup game, like charity game we had during the lockown and I was like, all right, I'm gonna do that. Those were crazy And one guy was working out with somebody like yah, I got this one dunk, you probably can try and I'm like what he was like the ball there. But see a lot of people don't understand, like when you take the ball out of somebody in the basketball or somebody and like I double pumped it, like sometimes you just grab the ball and dunk Like I double pumped it. Say it made it more difficult. I had to get the basketball in his hand, then go down and come back up with the basketball. So a lot of people like hold onto the basketball, get himself a boost and make it dunck a little easier, but he was like, yo, try I tried it. I did it one time. I really did that duck twice in my life.

That one time.

He showed me I did it on the first try to say, all right, this is duck I'm doing tomorrow night.

So I'm like, I didn't. I didn't really know nothing.

I was like, because you got to think if you go back to my sophomore year, I played the rookie sophomore game.

I was doing dunks in that whole game.

They were like, no, you gotta get him to Kenny Spiel like you got to get him in the dunk contest, Like you gotta get him in the dunk contest. And I was like, all right, bro, I'll get in the crazy dunk contest I've seen in person with Aaron Gordon and zachla being like that was.

They should have gave out two trophies for that one. That was amazing.

No, I think they kind of scared away Aaron because he got robbed, not robbed the first one said that Zach was giving it.

To like like one year. Second, like one year Aaron didn't do too well. Then the second year he came back. He was going like they had the herbal bowls spinning around under both legs. I'm like, but then you got Zach going tween the legs from the freet the line win let women from three lines.

I'm like, bro, just give it a time. Bro, Like it's getting hand.

Like what you feel like they could do to change like the All Star weekend because you were there, so you know what I mean, Like I don't know how many you've been to, but like you were there and you was around you experiences, so I would like know what you think, like you could change about it.

No, It's it's interesting because you know a lot of it is like the fan complaints and the fans sentiment and so like. And I just love basketball. I love the celebration of the weekend. But like when I go to the games, because sometimes people are like there and they're skipping the games and stuff, and I'm like, this is why I'm there. And I think I'll start by saying what they did well was I thought the Steph versus Sabrina shit was amazing, amazing, you know, like that was like a pay per view type thing, And I think that's what let's think about this stuff through the lens of like it's almost like, let's use the weekend to answer the greatest what ifs in basketball. So it's like, you know, constantly when people watch women's sports, so like can they do it as good as the as the men? And like Sabrina set that record in her in their own All Star Games, so they brought her over here. So I think we got to expand on that, and I to go back to what I was asking earlier with the incentivizing these players because we saw it work with the the in season tournament. I'm like, I legitimately was pitching this people this week. I was like within the All Star game itself because it's like that should be the biggest, biggest event, whether it is or not, but that should be it. And I'm like, let's create little mini awards within the game, so you get like best dunk in game, you know, longest shot, best defensive player, through some other shit like best debut. And so you got these guys who are like, oh man, I'm not getting the ball or I'm not doing certain things, so like I'm gonna lock into that, and then you get a combination all these players trying to go and get certain awards and it's like you get two hundred K for each of those. Now I don't know what budgets are looking like, but like you know, if you give players and it'd be cool. You can have like a little bit of a post like award ceremony where people are announcing that shit because I think people in the third quarter know who MVP is gonna be. So I think stuff like that and let's just experiment with the shit, you know, at least, like I think fans love when the NBA is trying stuff when we've seen that with the end season, we see that with other stuff and they might fall flat on their face, but at least it's different every year.

Yeah, I think, I think, I think I believe you on this too, and I piggyback on it. I believe like the n Ceedon Tournament was dope because you know, like early in the season, everybody like the first monthy to everybody, like usually take it like easy their way.

Into the season.

But this year you have to compete, I mean, because if you really wanted to go to the towards the en Ceaton Tournament, you made the games more like meanful early on because usually most people say, like the games really don't get competitive to write them at the All Star break, like now everybody trying to find their seat and like where we're gonna go, where we're matching up at Like we're trying to find this rhythm, you know what I mean? And I think the n Ceaton Tournament kind of gave it a little bit of more boost. And then you got to think, like seven, eight, nine, ten got to play against each other. So are you really trying to be one of those teams that got to see a Minnesota or Clippers or Denver or Oka See or Boston or a phillyum Milwaukee in the first round when you should be seeing them in the second or third round.

We were talking about King of the Court. Do you think some of these guys are scared to get exposed in King of the Court?

Well, well, I don't know why you would be scared, because I remember when I was at USA Basketball and they they basically playing King of the Court. That was playing me and post you know what I mean, that video guy and look how lick that was. You got KD, you got Paul George, you got Devin Booker, you got a vide Oldipot was out there, Chris Mility was out there. You had all those guys that are shot created, tough shot making. James Harden was out there. Like those guys are doing it at a high level. I think like the league would love to see that because I remember on Boston team they had Kyrie, Jaylen Brown, James Tatum. They playing ones every day. I have to practice, you know what I mean. Like, so when you got a team like that, like I bet you Brad d booking, KD are playing every day, you know, you know what I mean? I feel like in Boston you probably still getting that when you have those teams that just imagine the Clippers. Though you got Kawhi PG, Jameson Kauhid probably ain't playing though, Kawhi probably just chilling.

Kawhi gonna get his work in, do what he do, keep it moving.

He got five sat down. But okay, so who you named a lot of great names who would win if King of the Court happened next season? Who do you think would win?

I just think KD bro like there's nothing you can do with him, you know what I mean? Like the way he's improved defensively with using his length. You know I mean blocking shots. I think when he took that step, that's what got him to the MVP that year, you know what I mean, because we already knew he could score the ball like nothing you could do. Yeah, but I just thank him, bro, just because he's seven feet and it's not a shot he can't make, you know what I mean.

Yeah, And then you probably came.

To the court, you're probably playing through dribbles or at least a five second Like you can't be out there dribbling all day.

I think that. Yeah, I agree with the because the dribbling then it just becomes sloppy.

But if you're doing a dribbling, I'm taking kypri irving and everybody gonna be mad because he got so many counters and that you can do.

Yeah. So do you think like a Lebron is that disadvantage just because of his playing style in a one on one king of the court.

I think he could dominate if you want, you know what I mean, Shit, Lebron's shooting the ball at a high level. Every year in his career, he got better at shooting the ball, So it ain't like you can back up off of him. He can make those still athletics still can blow by you. It's kind of hard. I mean, like I don't think he cares for one on one, right, I mean like he's not one of those guys that's gonna play king of the court, Like what do I get out of this?

But I think the.

Other guy like Anthony Erwins would love that type of battle, you know what I mean, like this type of stuff for those young guys like that. But I think it'll be a sighting for sure.

Though.

All right, let's I want to talk a little bit of a regular season again, Like not every episode we'll be talking about All Star. We're just waiting for real basketball to come back.

Man.

But again, you know this time between All Star and games coming back, like you said, they added four days, just stories are are getting created. And I think right now what's being added to the fire a little bit is is Doc Rivers stuff. Because Doc Rivers he took on and I will admit to he took on an incredibly difficult task. Adrian Griffin got fired. Doc came in, Doc was calling games two days before that, came in as the coach and he's currently three and seven, And so I think what the media and fans and it can be toxic. What they're grabbing onto is Doc has been doing these interviews and he's saying he's just saying it's hard, like he's saying, I wouldn't want I wouldn't wish this on anyone else. And I think people are acting like he's it's a cop out, he's making excuses. And then it got to like JJ Reddick was saying started making excuses. Pet Bev was like, come on, why are you you know, shitting on Doc? He saved your career. Austin Rivers went on, so like, what do you make of this Doc Rivers situation? Do you think he's gonna get it together? Do you think Doc, you know, is a certain coach where he's not the guy to like take over a team with so much potential.

I'm not sure.

I don't really like I never i've played against Doc, but I never had opportunity to play for Doc, you know what I mean, So I don't know how it really is as a coach. I only can see, like what I see from my point of view away from the game, or even when I was playing against him. For one, I just didn't feel like Agent Griffin should have been fired, you know. I mean, like he was number two in the East at the time. You just gave him a nice contract. I mean, and then you're still paying Mike Boujeholz. That means so like now you've played that, you're playing three coaches. Like, but I don't know personally what was going on to make them make that decision.

That's up to the front office and make that move.

And maybe their players wasn't happy, maybe the front office wasn't happy, or they just wasn't messing together. Nobody knows unless you was inside the locker room. And I think that's the most important thing for them to keep it inside the locker room, Like nobody needs to know why they made that decision or was it his fault of his fault, Like, you don't need to play the blame game.

As long as they all.

Agreed to it and they made it, they did what's best for their organization, you gotta respect it.

For me.

I think it's tough though for Doc a little bit, because you have a team that probably already had the chemistry and the camaraderie and whatever system they wanted to run from Agrient Griffin. So they've probably been through that through training camp into the first what twenty some games thirty games of the season, if I'm not mistaken to Now you got to make adjustment to how do Doc Rivers want to run his team?

What system do we have to run?

Like?

How do you want us to play?

So it's always hard with a new coach the first year, trying to get adjusted to how they want you to play. And then you gotta think Damon Jannie is trying to figure out how to play together. You know, I mean, Dames used to being ball dominant being in his show, now he's with Joannis where Jianni's used to be in Baald dominant in his show a lot of times, you know what I mean. And then a lot of times in the fourth quarter it would go to Chris Middleton as they closer. Now you have Damian Lillard, that's bonafide one of the best closes that we've ever seen. And now how do you mess all three of these guys together? So you go from putting all three of these guys into one system and Chris Midton coming back from injury and being in and out of the lineup, that's difficult, and then boom, we got to switch from this one system to another system, Like that's very difficult in one season and they only played ten games together and I think Chris Middleton got injured and one of the games that Dame said out he sprained his ankle. Yeah, so like you're trying to build this camaraderie with your team to get everybody messed together, but then we're also trying to do it on the court, and it's like they on the spotlight because Gianni's every year they look at you. You should be in the finals, you should be trying to win another MVP. Dame, it's time for you to get a ring, like you know what I mean, Like that's how they're looking at it, and like this is the move they made to help him.

Push forward towards that.

So I can't put all the blame on Doc because it's like for sure, and you can't put all the blame on the players because we're trying to figure out how to play together still. I mean, like Johannis and Damn say they watch film together, working out together and trying to figure out how to make it better.

And then we got to try to figure out that.

We got it just to a whole new system now so like, but it's like when you take that job, even though you might not ask for the targets on your back then because you have one of the best players in the league and one of the best closes we've ever seen.

So they like, well, you got to figure it out.

You've been in the league long enough, been around coach a lot of superstar that you got to figure it out. And it's like they look at it it's like you only won one championship with all.

These great teams you had.

Yeah, and then you know, they also look at it as like he's blown a lot of three one leads, you know what I mean. So all that is the pressure they have on Doc on top of trying to figure out how to get all these new guys and new team is coaching to get on one pedal stool. But I feel like he can get it done. I feel like he's great coach and he could figure it out. I just think it takes time. It's only been ten games. But I mean that's what happens when you were in that spot. Like I kind of look at like when I went to the Clippers, like I feel like it wasn't.

Fair to me.

I went over there and I didn't care if I started or not. I mean, that's when think I always wanted to get I just wanted to play basketball, like I was happy to be able to compete. And it was like, well, they got to get over the hump, they got to do this. They got a big three, and I'm like, well, it's hard because a big three, a big three pull to start, you know what I mean. I didn't start, which is cool. I was found that. I wasn't upset about that. I mean, but I couldn't play back to backs, Kawhi couldn't play back to backs. Then Paul George's in out of lineup with injury. So it's like we never had an opportunity to get a rhythm, find a chemistry and play together at the same time because it was all, oh, John Wat's coming that we should be better, Kawhi is coming back, but Kawhi was coming off injury, also coming off injury, so they had a plan for him, you know what I mean. So it wasn't like we really got to see what we really could have been. And we had glimpses of it at times, but I was on men and Kawhi I was on minu restriction, so it was difficult.

It was kind of tough.

So I kind of look at it as like t Lude was trying to balance out and figure out how to do it the best way he could possible, you know what I mean. And the same I feel like what Dot was doing, but I feel like they could figure it out.

No.

I just to remind everyone the intricacy is of basketball, because I know the super team is definitely something that's being looked at, you know, with the magnifying glass now because some of this shit hasn't worked out, you know. And it's like, just like you said, Dame came from playing in Portland for so many years where he was the guy he never had a honest and like you know, to the general fan, they're like, oh, that's a luxury, but it's like no, these guys, they had these roles. They got to change and like what Dame got traded in late July early August, like he had like a month or two and then they got training camp. You got to figure that out for quick and you got to figure that out in game situations. So yeah, I think I think it's great. Like what you had just said is a reminder and like you said, you got added to the Clippers and the guys weren't healthy and the rotations were changing, and we saw it happy with Russ and the Lakers, like these are Hall of famers being team up against each other, and we all just we act like we didn't see the Clippers like lose eight in a row when James got added to the team, and now they're the hottest team in the league right now. So I think, Yeah, it's a long season and it's just a great reminder it's like chemistry and a lot to figure out.

Yeah, I just feel like everybody think like just because I think everybody just think this because we were basketball players that we night, we all supposed to just right work like this.

It doesn't work like that.

Like it takes time, you know what I mean, Like Kawhid and PG had to get used to James having the ball most of the time now, you know what I mean, Like now he's running pick and roll and doing the hell of a job, Like he's one of the best passes in the pick and roll, you know what I mean.

Like, but now James took the back seat.

Okay, I'm not gonna score as much unless those guys that have an off night or unless I have to turn up a notch. Yeah, but most of the time he's probably getting ten and twelve points, but he's getting ten to eleven assists, you.

Know what I mean.

Like he's orchestrating their offense, running the team, and he's getting those guys rolling. But I think like everybody just bought him to it, Like you know, everybody has to buy into the sister and buy into what's going on. And it's easier said than done. Like you know what I mean, Like they got James in the middle of the season.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

It ain't like they got him had it started season when he went through a whole training camp with them, Like they're using the season as their training camp to get him activated with everything.

And it's it's difficult. It's not as easy as everybody think.

Like it's not like even when I was with the Clippers, like to lou hell of a coach all day, It's like it just was difficult because it's times he wanted to play me more, but I only can play twenty twenty two minutes, you know, I mean, it's times more I want to play more and I'm frustrated because I feel like I should be it right now, but I can.

I'm at a minute restriction.

It's times when certain guys feel like they're playing well in practice should be getting more minutes, you know what I mean.

Like it's always a difficult thing.

And that's why I be saying as a coach, is you got to do a hell of a job, like you got to touch your foundation. And also as GM they got to do a hell of a job because just because I'm nice and you nice, don't mean our games messed together, you know what I mean, Like we got to really study the game understand like, Okay, are they really gonna be able to feed off each other the right way? Can he make him better? Or is he gonna make our team worse? And I think we gotta do a lot of more studying them doing that. Like a lot of talent out there. We're not sending a lot of talented guys, but can a lot of talented guys sept the role and can a lot of talent guys like be veterans to some of these young guys, Like I feel like the league need more veterans in the league, and not just saying because I'm out of it.

I just feel like we need more vets for these young guys.

And that's a pointing to where the GM and the coach guys like, you know what, I'm just bringing you in to be a great VET like you might not play.

Are you cool with accepting that role?

And I think that more we're upfront and honest like they want us to be honest with them, it makes everything much more easier for your team and y'all can go a long way.

Yeah, all right, we gotta take a break. I do want to in this podcast get more in depth of your time with the Clippers in Houston, cause I feel like it's a little bit misunderstood. But we'll talk about it. We're gonna do a lightning round game when we come back that we came up with called bucket or Brick. We're gonna geinst your thoughts on some of the other storylines happen the NBA right now. Can we come back bucket brick which John look at it? Gambling problem called winning hundred gambler or in West Virginia visit www dot one eight hundred gambler dot net and New York Call eight seven seven eight Hope and Why, or text hope and Why for six seven three sixty nine. Connecticut Help is available for problem gambling call eighty eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit CCPG dot org. Please play responsibly on behalf of Boothill Casino and Resort in Kansas twenty one plus. Age varies by jurisdiction, void in Ontario, ce DKNG dot com. Slash promos for eligibility and responsible gaming resources. Odds and lines subject to change. All right, Welcome back to point game with John Wall and CJ. Toldano. Uh, this is a really fun game that we we we've practiced before, but this is a lightning round type game where we're gonna ask John not asked. We're gonna say a statement about the NBA, and if John agrees, he's gonna say bucket, and if he disagrees, he's gonna say brick and then explain why. But first Bucketer Brick is brought to you by Draft Kings Sportsbook. Draftking Sportsbook is your home for all things NBA action, from player props to same game parlays. Check out everything DraftKings Sportsbook has to offer to make your NBA experience even Sweeter. The crown is yours, all right, John. So we were talking about the Clippers in the last Act, Your Last Team. I said, they're the hottest team in the league right now, and I think they have the third best odds to win the title at plus five hundred, which means if you bet one hundred, you would win five hundred if they win the title. So Bucketer, Brick, the Clippers will win the title this year, Brick.

I think Brick.

It's kind of hard because I want to say Bucket did I want to say Brick? Because there are the hottest team. Hell of a coach in t lou you know what I mean, Like he knows what he's doing, He's done it before.

I know.

Kawhi is the closer. He's won two finals MVPs. I just think they need a full year together to like get what they really want out of it. But I think they're gonna have a chance to get close though.

Yeah.

A lot of people are saying, you know, the Clippers kind of fall apart in the playoffs, and a lot of that is health. So like, how much do you think that's on their mind or they're like just.

I think health is always the key to any team.

I mean, like being healthy, going into the playoffs and going to the finals is the key to any team, you know what I mean. Like I feel like that it's luck, like you got to ask some luck to win the championship, healthy and playing well at the right time. But I think there's like it's just like a burden, like a lot of pressure on the Clippers, you know what I mean, Like because everybody feel like with Kawhi and PG, they should have been to the finals or won one by now, but like you said, like they had it's always been an injury in the playoffs, the ejurine here, injured deer or then you have the bubble, you know what I mean, Like where a lot of guys probably just checked out, Like I didn't go to the bubble, but I know that would have been difficult been there way for your family, not doing nothing but the same stuff complete constantly over and over. So I think that's a pressure there, in a burn there. But they have the team, they have the talent, they have the depth, they have the coaching staff to be able to win it all. So that's why it was kind of hard to say brick, because I wanted to say, Bucket, but I feel like they get a whole year on themselves of knowing what they want to do.

I think they'll get one.

I'll ask you later on this season. I think, yeah, your opinion might change. So yeah, okay, next.

A little bit, I see a little bit more high like how the second happened the season going, I probably change.

Okay, Bucket or Brick. This rumor has been going around, but the Lakers should sign Trey Young this summer.

Hmm, Bucket, I think Bucket. I feel like Trey's done a lot in Atlanta. He's very talented man, you know. I mean like it's one of those guys that it's hard to guard, you know, I mean the league now, you can't touch anybody.

He's crafty, he can shoot the pass.

And I think they got to kind of start with paying for like if Lebron's last year is this year, next year, whenever it is, that you got another star player next to Ad. And I feel like a pick and roll with a D and a guy like Trey Young could be Dad, you know what I mean. Look how he's made compel to look and all these other guys. So I think that'd be a good move for them.

Okay, next one bucket or brick. The Warriors should resign Klay Thompson because I think people are saying that Clay had has been going through a little bit of a falloff. So Warriors re signing Clay Thompson this summer.

Uh, I'm gonna say both.

I'm gonna tell you why it's fifty to fifty because if they want Clay to come out the bench, I don't think he's willing to accept that role Brett.

You know what I mean.

I mean, I think he might take a pay cut, but I don't think he's want to be able to accept that role coming off the bench, you know what I mean. But I think if he takes a pay cut and start, I think he's willing to stay with the Warriors.

But that's the decision they got to make as a front off, you know what I mean.

Like, I kind of think they have been going ups and downs because it's difficult when you're being at this spotlight and been at the level where he's been at for so long and won championships, and you have two major injuries, you know what I mean. Then in some days you have your days that you feel good some days you don't have your days like I've been there, and it's kind of difficult. I think he responded to well though, coming off the bench and having the hell of a night and helping them win that game. You know, you just got to kind of see how the second half of the season goes.

Do you think any of that is due to like maybe there's a change of scenery or like a I don't know, a fatigue on a dynasty team, like they've been trying to figure out their bench and whatnot. Like do you think Clay just seems that change of scenery? And not to talk about the Lakers again, but like if he was to end up on the Lakers next year, you know, a team that he grew up loving his dad played from, do you think there would be any resurgence there?

Oh?

I think so, you know what I mean, Sometimes you might need to change your scenery. You never know.

But also I think it's kind of difficult now because you have the young fellow john the communicy that's taking the next step, and now instead of Clay being the second option, it's Johnny Comita being the second option, you know what I mean, So kind of throw the ball to him in the post. He's not just waiting and holding the ball for pinned downs. For Stephan Clay, he's been aggressive and trying to go score. So now it kind of puts Clay into the third option maybe fourth option if you want to say, at times, and I can't. I think there's something he's trying to adjust to in the middle of a season instead of like because earlier on in the beginning season, that wasn't a role for JOHNA. Commick, you know, I mean he kind of got into that role later on because his name was buzzing a lot doing the trade dead lines and seeing if they was gonna move him because a lot of teams wanted them.

And I know how special in talent he is.

He came to my John Wall Holliday Invitational tournament played he played against one of the best high scall teams I think I've seen with Mount Verne with Scottie barn and k Cunnahim and them, and he did well, you know, I mean, he's talent gifted, got a lot of stuff.

I just did.

Like you said, like the Warriors didn't know which way they wanted to go, keep young talent, keep the big three together.

And keep trying to build.

So they're figuring it out and I think Mike Delly be doing a hell of a job with that and Steve Kerr.

Okay, all right, final bucket brick And I've been actually reading some stories on this and I think, yeah, you answered as honestly as you want, but the bucket or brick, the Phoenix Suns should sign you.

The bucket.

I'm gonna keep it a g not just because like, and this is what I want to get across the chest for anybody. Like I don't care about chasing the ring, like you know what I mean, Like if I get one, thank you. But I feel like I've showed out talent diam in this league, how good aim in this league. I just love to play the game of basketball, you know. I mean, like I still feel like I have enoughing to tank to play. It might not be at the highest level like I was playing thirty eight to forty minutes before, but I feel like I can do a lot. I'm a better catching shoot guy than a lot of people think, Like I didn't get a lot of those in my career, but when I do, I shoot like.

Forty percent from catch and shoot.

But uh, I just feel like they need a true point guard, you know, I mean to help those guys just settle in, like deep books doing the hell of a job playing point. Brad does it at times. But those guys are bona fide scores, you know what I mean, Like you put them bout anybody hands for thirty eight mins, they're gonna have nine ten assists. I mean, they just making the right play playing basketball. But I think those guys just need to be bon to five scores and don't worry about keeping the next guy happy. That should be a true point guard's position. Let the scores be scores.

Yeah, that's why I want you back in the league. Is you know, we see the player's evolution, right, and so I don't think we've really honestly gotten to see the role player evolution for you. And like you said, like and I guess ask let me ask you this. Are you still talking to Brads Brad you know, hitting you up? Or are you guys talking at all about possibilities? Are you guys just still you know, talking about.

Now we just talked. We just talked from time to time. Like I don't even try to put that pressure or burning on them about it, you know what I mean, Like if I'm in a city, like I was in La visiting and they was playing, I want to go visit the game, you know what I mean. Like I'm not putting that pressure on him or KD or D Book, Like I'm cool with all those guys, but they focus is locking in on the season right now, you know. I mean, like if the front office come them, like do you want to sign them? I hope they will say yeah. But if the front office is not doing that, then I'm not going to try to put that burden on them guys and put that pressure because now I look at it, it's like, oh damn, you ain't trying to get me signed, and I don't want to be your homebok. Like that's never gonna come between, you know what I mean. Like that's not their role, that's not their job. But I just feel like I can help them out a lot. I mean I feel like I could and maybe if it's not this year, maybe next year. You know, I mean hopefully you never know what can happen. But I just sit back and look like I'm like, you can't make a point guard like point guards are made, you know what I mean, like you can't just try to build a point guard to be a true point guard, like those guys are made. I think you look at the Clippers at times they wanted PG and Kawhi. It kind of be like run a lot of picking rolls be they point guards. Those guys are BONA five bucket getters. They might get you for SIS sixty sixty if you double teaming them, but those guys are BONA five bucket getters, and I.

Think that made they roll so much more easier.

James is the one that's facilitating running the team, getting everybody's shots when they need to, and we're gonna carry it load on the score.

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