Grease and Bellennials, fellow seekers of the dark, Welcome to Nocturno Tales from the Shadows. Join me as we dare to enter the flames of fright, where the veil between worlds grow thin, and the haunting legends and lore of Latin America stir to life, retold with a twist. I'm your host, Danny Trail, and I hope you guys dug our series. For tonight's bonus episode, We're switching things up. Get ready to join me behind the scenes and take a closer look into the creepy origins of our stories. You'll hear from the twisted minds of the creators behind the show on what inspired these horrifying tales. Trust me, you want to miss this. Growing up Mexican American, the supernatural wasn't just something you saw in the movies. It was like part of the family. For us Latin Americans. We lived and breathe this stuff. The mysteries of life and death are just woven into us.

Grease and Bellennials, fellow seekers of the dark, Welcome to Nocturno Tales from the Shadows. Join me as we dare to enter the flames of fright, where the veil between worlds grow thin, and the haunting legends and lore of Latin America stir to life, retold with a twist. I'm your host, Danny Trail, and I hope you guys dug our series. For tonight's bonus episode, We're switching things up. Get ready to join me behind the scenes and take a closer look into the creepy origins of our stories. You'll hear from the twisted minds of the creators behind the show on what inspired these horrifying tales. Trust me, you want to miss this. Growing up Mexican American, the supernatural wasn't just something you saw in the movies. It was like part of the family. For us Latin Americans. We lived and breathe this stuff. The mysteries of life and death are just woven into us.

What can I say?

What can I say?

We're creative as hell and we'd like to have a good time life short might as well fill it up with good stories. Speaking of stories, one time when we were looking. We were late at night. We'll all eight kids, we all slept in the same room, and we heard something and we looked out the window and a shadow actually crossed the window till everybody ran and looked, and it was like as high as the window. But our house was like four foot off the ground. It was like a raised foundation, you know, So it must have been like either somebody on stilts, you know, because there's like four feet of underground on the ground and then about six feet to the window. So we were like nine ten feet and you know, he passed or sheet battled, And I'll never forget that as long as I live. And it was fun to get like nine kids in the.

We're creative as hell and we'd like to have a good time life short might as well fill it up with good stories. Speaking of stories, one time when we were looking. We were late at night. We'll all eight kids, we all slept in the same room, and we heard something and we looked out the window and a shadow actually crossed the window till everybody ran and looked, and it was like as high as the window. But our house was like four foot off the ground. It was like a raised foundation, you know, So it must have been like either somebody on stilts, you know, because there's like four feet of underground on the ground and then about six feet to the window. So we were like nine ten feet and you know, he passed or sheet battled, And I'll never forget that as long as I live. And it was fun to get like nine kids in the.

Same bed there. Nobody.

Same bed there. Nobody.

Nobody wanted to sleep alone. Maybe that's why I love horror so much.

Nobody wanted to sleep alone. Maybe that's why I love horror so much.

It's in my blood.

It's in my blood.

Let's head to the writer's lair to hear from the creators themselves. Enter at your own risk.

Let's head to the writer's lair to hear from the creators themselves. Enter at your own risk.

Hello, horror enthusiasts, Thank you for joining us. My name is Elijah Satagiana. I'm Mexican and Nawa, which is an indigenous peoples from Mexico. I wrote four of the episodes for a little serious here and yeah, the supernaturals. That has just been a part of life since as far as back as I can remember. I think probably started with kokui and tales of roa and white owls, dogs with human faces, and yeah, a lot of really weird stuff happening when I was little, especially with my mom, who herself was.

Hello, horror enthusiasts, Thank you for joining us. My name is Elijah Satagiana. I'm Mexican and Nawa, which is an indigenous peoples from Mexico. I wrote four of the episodes for a little serious here and yeah, the supernaturals. That has just been a part of life since as far as back as I can remember. I think probably started with kokui and tales of roa and white owls, dogs with human faces, and yeah, a lot of really weird stuff happening when I was little, especially with my mom, who herself was.

Kind of haunted as a kid.

Kind of haunted as a kid.

So it's it's always just definitely been a part of life and how I viewed the world, and it was only it wasn't until much later talking to other people, especially adults, that I realized it.

So it's it's always just definitely been a part of life and how I viewed the world, and it was only it wasn't until much later talking to other people, especially adults, that I realized it.

Wasn't a normal thing for everyone.

Wasn't a normal thing for everyone.

Hello listeners, I'm Blaine Morris. I also wrote four episodes my mother's Puerto Rican and my Dad's White. So I had an interesting upbringing of kind of both cultures. But I actually know my Puerto Rican side better. But I definitely feel like I came from a background New Aurecans who kind of pushed aside their Latine side because of racism in New York City while they were growing up. So I was very Americanized, and then once I reached my twenties, I kind of wanted to get more in touch with my Latine culture and I'd always been obsessed with like sci fi and fantasy movies and like Greek legends and such, and I was like, wait, there's so much more in Latin America and so yeah, kind of in my twenties I started researching all of that and it was so interesting and there's so many crazy stories from a million different countries.

Hello listeners, I'm Blaine Morris. I also wrote four episodes my mother's Puerto Rican and my Dad's White. So I had an interesting upbringing of kind of both cultures. But I actually know my Puerto Rican side better. But I definitely feel like I came from a background New Aurecans who kind of pushed aside their Latine side because of racism in New York City while they were growing up. So I was very Americanized, and then once I reached my twenties, I kind of wanted to get more in touch with my Latine culture and I'd always been obsessed with like sci fi and fantasy movies and like Greek legends and such, and I was like, wait, there's so much more in Latin America and so yeah, kind of in my twenties I started researching all of that and it was so interesting and there's so many crazy stories from a million different countries.

Yeah, and kind of super natural wise for me growing up.

Yeah, and kind of super natural wise for me growing up.

My mom's just like a bit witchy, and she has like a sixth sense of like she just always knows when something's wrong with me, Like she'll call me out of the blue and she's like, I just felt like I needed to call you, and I was like, yeah, you are right, something bad did happen. So that's just always been a thing between us. And then I just remember when my Buella died when I was very young. Right afterwards, my mom all the time was like, oh, she's here, and I was like, what what do you mean she's here? And she's like smell and there would be this like rose perfume smell in the air, which is what the smell that my Ambella had.

My mom's just like a bit witchy, and she has like a sixth sense of like she just always knows when something's wrong with me, Like she'll call me out of the blue and she's like, I just felt like I needed to call you, and I was like, yeah, you are right, something bad did happen. So that's just always been a thing between us. And then I just remember when my Buella died when I was very young. Right afterwards, my mom all the time was like, oh, she's here, and I was like, what what do you mean she's here? And she's like smell and there would be this like rose perfume smell in the air, which is what the smell that my Ambella had.

And I was like, I don't know if she was going around the house like.

And I was like, I don't know if she was going around the house like.

Spraying the perfume, but it happened like in a grocery store or in random places, so that was always interesting.

Spraying the perfume, but it happened like in a grocery store or in random places, so that was always interesting.

And then the other thing was that pennies.

And then the other thing was that pennies.

Anytime you heard a penny drop, that meant that there was like an angel or a ghost around.

Anytime you heard a penny drop, that meant that there was like an angel or a ghost around.

She's a random thing.

She's a random thing.

Hello to all the misfits and weirdos out there.

Hello to all the misfits and weirdos out there.

I'm Stephanie Adam Santos.

I'm Stephanie Adam Santos.

I'm a Guatemalan American poet and screenwriter and artist from Oregon. My mom's family is from Webertenango in western Guatemala. They are Ladinos, but with a heavily indigenous mom Mayan roots. And I would say that the supernatural played a very big role in my upbringing. It's just kind of part part of the everyday fabric, like spirits, talk of spirits and monsters, all of that.

I'm a Guatemalan American poet and screenwriter and artist from Oregon. My mom's family is from Webertenango in western Guatemala. They are Ladinos, but with a heavily indigenous mom Mayan roots. And I would say that the supernatural played a very big role in my upbringing. It's just kind of part part of the everyday fabric, like spirits, talk of spirits and monsters, all of that.

It was very every day.

It was very every day.

And one of the stories that always really stuck with me even now is the story of my Grandmita's tia Lena. So she was my mother's or my grandmother's mother's cousin. And they say that Elena got really sick with somebody, with something that nobody could explain, like she lost her appetite, she became completely bedridden and so weak that she could barely move, and she started hearing like voices, like demonic voices from the corner of her room, and she would always be looking up there and she would mumble like like yeah ii ii ya vien in mos disgracia vien in saku mos yaqui, like they're coming, They're coming, the damned ones. And she would cover her face with blankets like she was.

And one of the stories that always really stuck with me even now is the story of my Grandmita's tia Lena. So she was my mother's or my grandmother's mother's cousin. And they say that Elena got really sick with somebody, with something that nobody could explain, like she lost her appetite, she became completely bedridden and so weak that she could barely move, and she started hearing like voices, like demonic voices from the corner of her room, and she would always be looking up there and she would mumble like like yeah ii ii ya vien in mos disgracia vien in saku mos yaqui, like they're coming, They're coming, the damned ones. And she would cover her face with blankets like she was.

Seeing something so horrible.

Seeing something so horrible.

And eventually, as she got closer to death, they say even like her eyes started to cloud over like she was getting cataracts, and became pretty much catatonic. But at one point they say, she like ripped a bible in half, you know, And this is like like a thick, four inch hardcover, leather bound bible that for a moment she had this like inhuman demonic strength to like rip it in half. But you know, event she died, and before they found her, the doorknob of her room was stuck, like something very powerful was holding it closed, and no matter how hard they rattled and pushed, they couldn't open the door until it finally released and then her family was able to enter. And this is the part that always like terrified me so much.

And eventually, as she got closer to death, they say even like her eyes started to cloud over like she was getting cataracts, and became pretty much catatonic. But at one point they say, she like ripped a bible in half, you know, And this is like like a thick, four inch hardcover, leather bound bible that for a moment she had this like inhuman demonic strength to like rip it in half. But you know, event she died, and before they found her, the doorknob of her room was stuck, like something very powerful was holding it closed, and no matter how hard they rattled and pushed, they couldn't open the door until it finally released and then her family was able to enter. And this is the part that always like terrified me so much.

And stuck with me. Was how they found her, like.

And stuck with me. Was how they found her, like.

Completely stiff and dead, but on the floor in the middle of her room, on all fours like an animal, with her eyes open, completely white and clouded over.

Completely stiff and dead, but on the floor in the middle of her room, on all fours like an animal, with her eyes open, completely white and clouded over.

So that's just.

So that's just.

One of the many, like many many stories I grew up with that were just part of life, you know, very the Catholicism, very interwoven with like this sense of like another world. You know, Laona was like a household name. And yeah, just my mom threw away my Rigi board in middle school because she said that, you know, it opens all the dark doors. But yes, I'm very much entwined with the supernatural.

One of the many, like many many stories I grew up with that were just part of life, you know, very the Catholicism, very interwoven with like this sense of like another world. You know, Laona was like a household name. And yeah, just my mom threw away my Rigi board in middle school because she said that, you know, it opens all the dark doors. But yes, I'm very much entwined with the supernatural.

Now you get why some people say Latinos are the original goths.

Now you get why some people say Latinos are the original goths.

You know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

What have you ever wondered where some of these creatures and lore came from, why they have roamed our nightmares since childhood, and why you can't get them out of your head. Stay tuned and you might just find out.

What have you ever wondered where some of these creatures and lore came from, why they have roamed our nightmares since childhood, and why you can't get them out of your head. Stay tuned and you might just find out.

Welcome back votes.

Welcome back votes.

Hope you grabbed your popcorn or in my case, a flashlight, because it's about to get real. It's time to dive into the real flesh and blood of the show, the origin of the stories. We'll be traveling from the caves of Olivia to the midnight streets of New York City. So buckle up for a little supernatural road trip, my friends, and trust me, you won't want to miss a single thumb. In center the auto, we get a little taste of Seva Lava, the Mayan Underworld. Let me tell you something on me goes. This place is like Hades on stereoids. It's got a river of scorpion, river of puss and blame, say, room of flying razor blades, fins of fleshy and jaguars and bats, rooms that gross to alize or freeze you to the boat. And let's not forget the mischievous lords of death with heavy metal names like flying Scat and Puss Demon. Yeah, good luck and sympathy from the Death Lord. Those guys get off on humiliating unfortunate Underworld visitors with tests and trials that make your worst nightmare look like a walk in the park.

Hope you grabbed your popcorn or in my case, a flashlight, because it's about to get real. It's time to dive into the real flesh and blood of the show, the origin of the stories. We'll be traveling from the caves of Olivia to the midnight streets of New York City. So buckle up for a little supernatural road trip, my friends, and trust me, you won't want to miss a single thumb. In center the auto, we get a little taste of Seva Lava, the Mayan Underworld. Let me tell you something on me goes. This place is like Hades on stereoids. It's got a river of scorpion, river of puss and blame, say, room of flying razor blades, fins of fleshy and jaguars and bats, rooms that gross to alize or freeze you to the boat. And let's not forget the mischievous lords of death with heavy metal names like flying Scat and Puss Demon. Yeah, good luck and sympathy from the Death Lord. Those guys get off on humiliating unfortunate Underworld visitors with tests and trials that make your worst nightmare look like a walk in the park.

So I grew up on tales from the crypt comics and the TV show where You've got these like really unsavory protagonists who think they can get away with something really bad until they don't, And the whole fun of those episodes is in that like supernatural come upance where they get cursed or punished by the ghoul or the curse or whatever. And so even though there's something it's just like simplistic and moralistic about those stories, I always found it so cathartic to see somebody actually have to confront their bad behavior and not get away with it. So that is the approach I took with this episode, and I wanted to really take a swing at these kind of like liberal spiritual tourists who flocked to Watemala for their own personal enlightenment, kind of thinking of themselves as like these these great woke people who are in fact totally oblivious to their own appropriation and like the fact that the Maya people are survivors of genocide and colonization. And hear these tourists like Waltz in thinking they can do like a week in Cacao ceremony and just leave as certified shamans without really thinking about the struggle. Right, That's that's like a huge industry there, and they have no idea about like the struggle behind these traditions and what it took to keep.

So I grew up on tales from the crypt comics and the TV show where You've got these like really unsavory protagonists who think they can get away with something really bad until they don't, And the whole fun of those episodes is in that like supernatural come upance where they get cursed or punished by the ghoul or the curse or whatever. And so even though there's something it's just like simplistic and moralistic about those stories, I always found it so cathartic to see somebody actually have to confront their bad behavior and not get away with it. So that is the approach I took with this episode, and I wanted to really take a swing at these kind of like liberal spiritual tourists who flocked to Watemala for their own personal enlightenment, kind of thinking of themselves as like these these great woke people who are in fact totally oblivious to their own appropriation and like the fact that the Maya people are survivors of genocide and colonization. And hear these tourists like Waltz in thinking they can do like a week in Cacao ceremony and just leave as certified shamans without really thinking about the struggle. Right, That's that's like a huge industry there, and they have no idea about like the struggle behind these traditions and what it took to keep.

The culture alive.

The culture alive.

So I guess in this story, I wanted to make sure that naivety does.

So I guess in this story, I wanted to make sure that naivety does.

Not go unpunished.

Not go unpunished.

Yeah, so I was curious, have you ever actually been to.

Yeah, so I was curious, have you ever actually been to.

Soot I have been to Laguatilan many times and I've seen set the Oto, but I haven't I haven't been to that side the lake. But a kind of cool fact about it is that it did either of you read The Little Prince when.

Soot I have been to Laguatilan many times and I've seen set the Oto, but I haven't I haven't been to that side the lake. But a kind of cool fact about it is that it did either of you read The Little Prince when.

You're growing up years ago.

You're growing up years ago.

Yeah, so the I don't know if you remember.

Yeah, so the I don't know if you remember.

There's like a mountain the shape of like an elephant eating a boa constrictor.

There's like a mountain the shape of like an elephant eating a boa constrictor.

But that is actually.

But that is actually.

Inspired by like that is the shape of said Or the Oral and he he flew over in a plane when he was like before he wrote the story, and that inspired it.

Inspired by like that is the shape of said Or the Oral and he he flew over in a plane when he was like before he wrote the story, and that inspired it.

But the lake, the lake is amazing.

But the lake, the lake is amazing.

It's a lake like an ocean, and there's I've been to some of the villages around and I once took the last boat from Panahachel to sann Madcos and it was there's a boat full of drunks and they were all just like slurrying about like ghosts, and it was like really terrifying, and the waves were like the ocean. And then I didn't know that sun Madcos isn't like a proper town like it.

It's a lake like an ocean, and there's I've been to some of the villages around and I once took the last boat from Panahachel to sann Madcos and it was there's a boat full of drunks and they were all just like slurrying about like ghosts, and it was like really terrifying, and the waves were like the ocean. And then I didn't know that sun Madcos isn't like a proper town like it.

It didn't like. I was basically dropped off on the side of the woods.

It didn't like. I was basically dropped off on the side of the woods.

And had to walk through the dark to find this little like tent encampment where.

And had to walk through the dark to find this little like tent encampment where.

I was going to stay.

I was going to stay.

And it was really terrifying and very exciting.

And it was really terrifying and very exciting.

And people there believe the entrance of she Baba's there.

And people there believe the entrance of she Baba's there.

Yeah, they say, I mean, there's a lot of lore about like caves having entrance to Shibalba. But there is there is a cave in Serro de Oro that they call Lapwerta, and that's supposed to be one of the entrances, And there are other caves around the world and what the Mala that are said to be entrances. And there's also supposed to be an entrance in the Milky Way, which is really cool.

Yeah, they say, I mean, there's a lot of lore about like caves having entrance to Shibalba. But there is there is a cave in Serro de Oro that they call Lapwerta, and that's supposed to be one of the entrances, And there are other caves around the world and what the Mala that are said to be entrances. And there's also supposed to be an entrance in the Milky Way, which is really cool.

Wow.

Wow.

Yeah, how do you get there?

Yeah, how do you get there?

That's a good question, I know.

That's a good question, I know.

But even the sunny island of Puerto Rico has a dark shadow like gar or Devil's sentry bouts a remote part of Fort Sancas in Old San Juan, originally built by the Spaniard colonizers to fend off attackers. This one sentry box sticks out into the ocean all on its own. It is said that soldiers who were stationed there would hear all kinds of spooky noises at night, he said. Legends has it that one night soldiers disappeared without a trace. His body was never found. Legends say the devil snatched him right up. Other folks whisper he might have ran off with a secret love. We might never know the truth, but where she did.

But even the sunny island of Puerto Rico has a dark shadow like gar or Devil's sentry bouts a remote part of Fort Sancas in Old San Juan, originally built by the Spaniard colonizers to fend off attackers. This one sentry box sticks out into the ocean all on its own. It is said that soldiers who were stationed there would hear all kinds of spooky noises at night, he said. Legends has it that one night soldiers disappeared without a trace. His body was never found. Legends say the devil snatched him right up. Other folks whisper he might have ran off with a secret love. We might never know the truth, but where she did.

Hi, I'm Blaine and I wrote the episode Garita del Diablo.

Hi, I'm Blaine and I wrote the episode Garita del Diablo.

As a Puerto Rican person.

As a Puerto Rican person.

I was very excited to do a Puerto Rico episode, and as I was researching Puerto Rico, I just felt like the Tub of Kappa has been done so many times, what else can we find? Yeah, So I was looking and I find haunted places very interesting, and I found this the Garita del Diablo, which is like right in the main tourist part of old San Juan. It's you're not allowed to go there these days, but it's still there standing and kind of like as I was researching, there were just a variety of stories and legends of what exactly happened, but it still has that name. You can you can find it on Google Maps. But some people were saying that this guy was this soldier was taken by the devil, but then other people thinks he ran away with his Tayino lover and just left hisld his clothes there and affected because.

I was very excited to do a Puerto Rico episode, and as I was researching Puerto Rico, I just felt like the Tub of Kappa has been done so many times, what else can we find? Yeah, So I was looking and I find haunted places very interesting, and I found this the Garita del Diablo, which is like right in the main tourist part of old San Juan. It's you're not allowed to go there these days, but it's still there standing and kind of like as I was researching, there were just a variety of stories and legends of what exactly happened, but it still has that name. You can you can find it on Google Maps. But some people were saying that this guy was this soldier was taken by the devil, but then other people thinks he ran away with his Tayino lover and just left hisld his clothes there and affected because.

He didn't like what the Spanish army was doing.

He didn't like what the Spanish army was doing.

So I kind of took both of those things when adapting the episode, because it felt like it was comments kind of a it was a commentary on colonization, and then how can I bring Tayino culture into it in the same way. So I kind of just used my imagination and really created my own legend that the Geita del Diabolo is not to the Devil or Catholicism. It's more into Tayo spirituality and actually an entrance for Koyaba, which is tain you know, Heaven.

So I kind of took both of those things when adapting the episode, because it felt like it was comments kind of a it was a commentary on colonization, and then how can I bring Tayino culture into it in the same way. So I kind of just used my imagination and really created my own legend that the Geita del Diabolo is not to the Devil or Catholicism. It's more into Tayo spirituality and actually an entrance for Koyaba, which is tain you know, Heaven.

I love your version so much, like I feel like that's now the official version in my head.

I love your version so much, like I feel like that's now the official version in my head.

I love it, baby. I also was excited that maybe people listen to the episode and they'll go visit it.

I love it, baby. I also was excited that maybe people listen to the episode and they'll go visit it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, because you can go see this place very easily. At Fort Crystabal, you can just over the wall and sitting there.

Yeah, because you can go see this place very easily. At Fort Crystabal, you can just over the wall and sitting there.

Do you know, is it too dangerous to visit or is it because of the story surrounding it people are not allowed to go.

Do you know, is it too dangerous to visit or is it because of the story surrounding it people are not allowed to go.

I think it's a mix of both. They're probably scared of teenagers, and I know the rocks and stuff are all very treacherous and it's like right on the water as well. But I believe you can't actually what I wrote in the story, I think you can figure out a way to get there if you wanted to.

I think it's a mix of both. They're probably scared of teenagers, and I know the rocks and stuff are all very treacherous and it's like right on the water as well. But I believe you can't actually what I wrote in the story, I think you can figure out a way to get there if you wanted to.

So, Blaine, would you spend the night in?

So, Blaine, would you spend the night in?

Hmmm?

Hmmm?

I watch a lot of those like ghost watching shows, and I feel like I'd really love to do that, bring like what is the machine?

I watch a lot of those like ghost watching shows, and I feel like I'd really love to do that, bring like what is the machine?

They always have a spectraumeda.

They always have a spectraumeda.

Like trying to be a ghostbuster there. I think it'd be really fun, but I need to like a tent. I feel like it'd be very close cold, it's right next to the ocean, but probably like a beautiful sunrise.

Like trying to be a ghostbuster there. I think it'd be really fun, but I need to like a tent. I feel like it'd be very close cold, it's right next to the ocean, but probably like a beautiful sunrise.

You should do a future Sono episode.

You should do a future Sono episode.

Yeah, right there on location.

Yeah, right there on location.

Did you hear that there's a baby out there?

Did you hear that there's a baby out there?

Someone must have abandoned it out in the cornfield.

Someone must have abandoned it out in the cornfield.

Hold on, little guy, I'm coming. Oh my god, that's so ready.

Hold on, little guy, I'm coming. Oh my god, that's so ready.

And heavy.

And heavy.

Lies of the grown we mean La La juicea a shape shifting witch who some say can mimic the cry of a baby to lure the outside in the night.

Lies of the grown we mean La La juicea a shape shifting witch who some say can mimic the cry of a baby to lure the outside in the night.

By day she might look like you're sweet Awaita, but by night she transforms into a giant white arm. Latin American superstition and folklore are packed with tales of owls, and trust me to say no, Harry Potter, they're never bringing good news. These feathered friends are bad omens with wings.

By day she might look like you're sweet Awaita, but by night she transforms into a giant white arm. Latin American superstition and folklore are packed with tales of owls, and trust me to say no, Harry Potter, they're never bringing good news. These feathered friends are bad omens with wings.

You know, this is Elijah.

You know, this is Elijah.

I wrote heavy lized the prone this episode. When I think of anything that scares me, it usually starts with white owls or latusa.

I wrote heavy lized the prone this episode. When I think of anything that scares me, it usually starts with white owls or latusa.

That was.

That was.

Is a very big part of my family's stories and a lot of the things that happened just there's just so many stories about it. And the idea of it is that if you see a white owl, it basically means that someone you know is gonna die. So you know, it's never a good idea to look up if you hear them. But I grew up hearing that for a while, and then maybe when I was seven or eight years old, I saw a giant white el in our backyard in Madera and freaked out about it. And then the next day, so when we knew died, it was just very much enforced. And yeah, my mom has some really gnarly stories my my my grandparents. They came over from from Texas and they that's that's where I learned a lot of the research actually I did for this was talking to my family, because we have first hand accounts of of you know, interactions with the giant White House.

Is a very big part of my family's stories and a lot of the things that happened just there's just so many stories about it. And the idea of it is that if you see a white owl, it basically means that someone you know is gonna die. So you know, it's never a good idea to look up if you hear them. But I grew up hearing that for a while, and then maybe when I was seven or eight years old, I saw a giant white el in our backyard in Madera and freaked out about it. And then the next day, so when we knew died, it was just very much enforced. And yeah, my mom has some really gnarly stories my my my grandparents. They came over from from Texas and they that's that's where I learned a lot of the research actually I did for this was talking to my family, because we have first hand accounts of of you know, interactions with the giant White House.

And how how giant.

And how how giant.

Like bigger than a person like age. Okay, one story in particular was someone I don't want to go too much into, like all the crazy stuff that happened with my family, but the story is that if you actually managed to catch Lata Chooses or you know, hold, that's when the facebook turn into whoever turned to transformed the Witch and then that's that's when you hear the scream and everything and or or that's why, that's when it reveals itself to be an actual shape shifter kind.

Like bigger than a person like age. Okay, one story in particular was someone I don't want to go too much into, like all the crazy stuff that happened with my family, but the story is that if you actually managed to catch Lata Chooses or you know, hold, that's when the facebook turn into whoever turned to transformed the Witch and then that's that's when you hear the scream and everything and or or that's why, that's when it reveals itself to be an actual shape shifter kind.

Of thing and why to catch it though people.

Of thing and why to catch it though people.

Back in the day are crazy, you know, I don't know, so so yeah, I grew up with the stories and then I had my own little experience and then just they were you know, since then for a few other stories that came up that are just yeah, So that's the the first thing I thought of, and I know I wanted to write a story about it.

Back in the day are crazy, you know, I don't know, so so yeah, I grew up with the stories and then I had my own little experience and then just they were you know, since then for a few other stories that came up that are just yeah, So that's the the first thing I thought of, and I know I wanted to write a story about it.

And so when I was thinking, you know, where where would that be? I was driving through.

And so when I was thinking, you know, where where would that be? I was driving through.

This small town called Los Manos, and there's this old restaurant that's called for you what it's called, But I used to go there when I was a kid, and so it's what It's been closed down for like twenty years, but it looks exactly the way it used to, like it's untouched, and I can't, out of knowing, no idea why that's the case. Like no one has removed the chairs from inside, no one's took down the sign, and so I just started thinking, like, oh, what if there's some kind of curse or there's there's something surrounding this, and so everybody just wants to leave it alone. And that kind of gave me the idea for the hotel and heavy lighted the chrone and then yeah, I wanted to start including little things of the La Chusa. And it's not just that you can see it and then someone dies. There's there's also a curse factor that's associated with a lot of the stories, and my family tells uh, and so that's why I knew that there was going to be this kind of slow build of getting cursed essentially because of his actions and his non belief and just slowly going crazy a little like kind of checked Torrents in the.

This small town called Los Manos, and there's this old restaurant that's called for you what it's called, But I used to go there when I was a kid, and so it's what It's been closed down for like twenty years, but it looks exactly the way it used to, like it's untouched, and I can't, out of knowing, no idea why that's the case. Like no one has removed the chairs from inside, no one's took down the sign, and so I just started thinking, like, oh, what if there's some kind of curse or there's there's something surrounding this, and so everybody just wants to leave it alone. And that kind of gave me the idea for the hotel and heavy lighted the chrone and then yeah, I wanted to start including little things of the La Chusa. And it's not just that you can see it and then someone dies. There's there's also a curse factor that's associated with a lot of the stories, and my family tells uh, and so that's why I knew that there was going to be this kind of slow build of getting cursed essentially because of his actions and his non belief and just slowly going crazy a little like kind of checked Torrents in the.

And yeah, that's that's pretty much it.

And yeah, that's that's pretty much it.

I find it really interesting because La la Chusa has a white owl, but then for my for Santa Morte, she also has a white owl. There's kind of this prevalence across multiple legends of these white owls, which I never knew of from Puerto Rico culture.

I find it really interesting because La la Chusa has a white owl, but then for my for Santa Morte, she also has a white owl. There's kind of this prevalence across multiple legends of these white owls, which I never knew of from Puerto Rico culture.

It's very interesting. I don't know where that's from, if you guys know.

It's very interesting. I don't know where that's from, if you guys know.

There's a lot of shape shifting too, like in the story I'll talk about next, like the the nagual is a shape shifting bruja, and it makes me think that maybe La lachusa is is a type of nagual because she nag walls usually have one animal they shape shift into. But it does seemed like shape shifting is like a huge part of the lore. And then yeah, owl the association of owls and death is like everywhere in the culture.

There's a lot of shape shifting too, like in the story I'll talk about next, like the the nagual is a shape shifting bruja, and it makes me think that maybe La lachusa is is a type of nagual because she nag walls usually have one animal they shape shift into. But it does seemed like shape shifting is like a huge part of the lore. And then yeah, owl the association of owls and death is like everywhere in the culture.

Yeah, definitely, And I think a lot of native cultures as well.

Yeah, definitely, And I think a lot of native cultures as well.

There's that association.

There's that association.

Even in the like the Floriding codex it mentions de cola black man, meaning owl, and.

Even in the like the Floriding codex it mentions de cola black man, meaning owl, and.

He's described as a shape shift after as.

He's described as a shape shift after as.

Someone who makes people sick, is someone who brings hatred, and so you know, as far as back as you know, five hundred years plus, like these ideas of these shape shifting, which is sorcerers that become owls, is like really ingrained in in a lot of our cultures.

Someone who makes people sick, is someone who brings hatred, and so you know, as far as back as you know, five hundred years plus, like these ideas of these shape shifting, which is sorcerers that become owls, is like really ingrained in in a lot of our cultures.

Yeah, we call them in my family, and like there it's the same. Like if I had a dream of an owl, my grammata would be like where did it look left or right? You know, like because that's the direction, Like somebody in that direction would be fall ill or die or something.

Yeah, we call them in my family, and like there it's the same. Like if I had a dream of an owl, my grammata would be like where did it look left or right? You know, like because that's the direction, Like somebody in that direction would be fall ill or die or something.

I only know, Hendwig, he's invited to cut in this out.

I only know, Hendwig, he's invited to cut in this out.

So yeah, curious.

So yeah, curious.

If anyone out there has ever seen a giant white owl.

If anyone out there has ever seen a giant white owl.

Spooky stuff, my friends, But we're just getting started. How about I throw another log after the camp fire and you meet me back here after the brain.

Spooky stuff, my friends, But we're just getting started. How about I throw another log after the camp fire and you meet me back here after the brain.

Welcome back.

Welcome back.

It's late at night and you're on your way home from the bar. The streets are empty and there's a full moon casting eerie shadows. Despite your better judgment, you decided to take a shortcut through your neighborhood. As you pass by your neighbor's house. You hear a strange sound. A curiosity gets the better of you, and you peer through the window. As I'm looking through the window, what the hell do I see?

It's late at night and you're on your way home from the bar. The streets are empty and there's a full moon casting eerie shadows. Despite your better judgment, you decided to take a shortcut through your neighborhood. As you pass by your neighbor's house. You hear a strange sound. A curiosity gets the better of you, and you peer through the window. As I'm looking through the window, what the hell do I see?

What you see.

What you see.

Scars you for life. Your neighbor is half undressed, but it's not closed. She's take it off.

Scars you for life. Your neighbor is half undressed, but it's not closed. She's take it off.

It's her skin, and as she does, she's transformed into a.

It's her skin, and as she does, she's transformed into a.

Big black dog, or maybe a wolf or a bat, or.

Big black dog, or maybe a wolf or a bat, or.

If you're really.

If you're really.

A lucky, a jaguar. Suddenly the creature turns its head and looks right at you. You're wrong, but it's too late. You've see what you shouldn't have seen, and now there's no telling what whatever h love spills introduce us to the legend of the Neguha, with lore that stretches all the way from the southern US to Central America and beyond, with roots back to pre Columbian days. And Negua is a special type of bruja for which with the power to transform into any animal. The Brujagua uses their powers for all sorts of mischief. They can cast spells, curse people, drink their blood, causes disease, or sneaks around undetected doing whatever secret things they do in the darkness. I don't know about you, but I would do my best to stay on the good side of any whoka I know.

A lucky, a jaguar. Suddenly the creature turns its head and looks right at you. You're wrong, but it's too late. You've see what you shouldn't have seen, and now there's no telling what whatever h love spills introduce us to the legend of the Neguha, with lore that stretches all the way from the southern US to Central America and beyond, with roots back to pre Columbian days. And Negua is a special type of bruja for which with the power to transform into any animal. The Brujagua uses their powers for all sorts of mischief. They can cast spells, curse people, drink their blood, causes disease, or sneaks around undetected doing whatever secret things they do in the darkness. I don't know about you, but I would do my best to stay on the good side of any whoka I know.

So I really loved shape shifter stories, and I knew I wanted to do a shape shifter story.

So I really loved shape shifter stories, and I knew I wanted to do a shape shifter story.

I was very drawn to the idea of the Buha Nagual.

I was very drawn to the idea of the Buha Nagual.

In my research, I discovered that the attitudes toward these figures really changed after colonization. Where before Najua Lismo would have been like it might have been feared, but it was very respected and associated with higher knowledge and things like that, versus after Catholicism was introduced, it became something to fear, something associated with the devil. And then also in thinking about just the themes of shape shifting and transformation, it started to kind of make sense to me to maybe think about this as a trans story of kind of claiming ownership and embracing a magic and a power that's really beautiful but that has been in some cases demonized.

In my research, I discovered that the attitudes toward these figures really changed after colonization. Where before Najua Lismo would have been like it might have been feared, but it was very respected and associated with higher knowledge and things like that, versus after Catholicism was introduced, it became something to fear, something associated with the devil. And then also in thinking about just the themes of shape shifting and transformation, it started to kind of make sense to me to maybe think about this as a trans story of kind of claiming ownership and embracing a magic and a power that's really beautiful but that has been in some cases demonized.

And it's also a love story.

And it's also a love story.

So I loved playing with the idea too that this could be a love story that's actually about self love and a character who's like looking for, you know, love in this outer form they actually find it with this power within and that that's all of those things kind of became like the swirled in the cauldron and became the story.

So I loved playing with the idea too that this could be a love story that's actually about self love and a character who's like looking for, you know, love in this outer form they actually find it with this power within and that that's all of those things kind of became like the swirled in the cauldron and became the story.

Steph, I really loved this episode. It's I found it so beautiful.

Steph, I really loved this episode. It's I found it so beautiful.

I was just I know, you and I when we first started coming up, we were like, how can we bring queerness into all of these legends? And I would love for you to talk about I feel like it seamlessly worked into the shape shifting and how you came up with that.

I was just I know, you and I when we first started coming up, we were like, how can we bring queerness into all of these legends? And I would love for you to talk about I feel like it seamlessly worked into the shape shifting and how you came up with that.

You know, I think like as queer people, like we really embraced the idea that we don't we don't have to take the shapes that society tells us, you know, and that we have a magic and a power that when we embrace it and own it, it's it's very powerful, it's very beautiful, and that it just felt like this story, you know, this felt like a story where I really wanted to like do a love story for the quote unquote monster. And you know there's that trope in horror films where it's like the months, like you know, as queer people have like so claimed monstrosity because we relate to that idea of being like demonized the outcast, and so there's actually like this great love in the queer community for like monstrosity, and it felt it just was really fun to kind of think of.

You know, I think like as queer people, like we really embraced the idea that we don't we don't have to take the shapes that society tells us, you know, and that we have a magic and a power that when we embrace it and own it, it's it's very powerful, it's very beautiful, and that it just felt like this story, you know, this felt like a story where I really wanted to like do a love story for the quote unquote monster. And you know there's that trope in horror films where it's like the months, like you know, as queer people have like so claimed monstrosity because we relate to that idea of being like demonized the outcast, and so there's actually like this great love in the queer community for like monstrosity, and it felt it just was really fun to kind of think of.

It felt seamless.

It felt seamless.

Actually to like have it be a shape shifting queer story about like a young trans woman who's kind of find like coming of age but into this like really awesome power.

Actually to like have it be a shape shifting queer story about like a young trans woman who's kind of find like coming of age but into this like really awesome power.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it's so profound that she not only like finds peace once she has an understanding of what's happening, but also power because of the mellow And I think, yeah, I think this is pretty great.

I think it's so profound that she not only like finds peace once she has an understanding of what's happening, but also power because of the mellow And I think, yeah, I think this is pretty great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the so my grandma used to talk about these buhas who could turn into turkeys, like that was the kind of now well I grew up hearing about. And I always thought that was hilarious because growing up in the States, like we associate turkeys with more like silly animals like gobble gobble, like you know, like Thanksgiving.

And the so my grandma used to talk about these buhas who could turn into turkeys, like that was the kind of now well I grew up hearing about. And I always thought that was hilarious because growing up in the States, like we associate turkeys with more like silly animals like gobble gobble, like you know, like Thanksgiving.

You know, we eat them.

You know, we eat them.

Yeah, like they're not you don't associate them with anything scary. And but when you really look at turkey, like they have they look like vultures, you know, they have like the shriveled.

Yeah, like they're not you don't associate them with anything scary. And but when you really look at turkey, like they have they look like vultures, you know, they have like the shriveled.

Heads, and they're actually that chin thing.

Heads, and they're actually that chin thing.

Yeah, yeah, and they could be really like mean and strong and and there was something about the lore like maybe it's similar to like why people.

Yeah, yeah, and they could be really like mean and strong and and there was something about the lore like maybe it's similar to like why people.

Would catch the latusa, but like if you can like there's something like if when the witch changes shape, she like leaves her human skin in her in her house, and if you can like find the human skin and burn it, like you can like destroy the witch or something, you know. There was something like that that really fascinated me. But I loved bringing the turkey, the turkey neg wall into the story through the through the shopkeeper and having that that like that little lineage.

Would catch the latusa, but like if you can like there's something like if when the witch changes shape, she like leaves her human skin in her in her house, and if you can like find the human skin and burn it, like you can like destroy the witch or something, you know. There was something like that that really fascinated me. But I loved bringing the turkey, the turkey neg wall into the story through the through the shopkeeper and having that that like that little lineage.

Piece and listeners, we're just wondering if you could shape shift into an animal, what animal would you choose?

Piece and listeners, we're just wondering if you could shape shift into an animal, what animal would you choose?

With her skin, blood, and in this case fat. In two thousand and nine, a shocking story's broke out of Brue. Authorities claim they pust a gang that murdered dozens of people and drained their fat for some twisted international cosmetic trade to Europe. But when experts took a closer look, new theory started swirling. They proposed that this grizzly tale might have been cooked up by the National Police Force to cover up their own dirty deep testests. But while the story of the Fat Stephen Gang might have been debunked, it's rules in something much darker. Nighttime Harvest introduces us to the crucial legend of the Pistocle, which goes way back to the horror of the colonial leer. Imagine the fear of the indigence folks of the Andes hearing tales of pale skinned monstrous preying on them in the night. From those very real fears, Elpi Stocko was born a nightmare from the horrors of colonization. This pale skins creep praise on locals slitting their throats and hanging them over a slow flame to collect their fresher fat as it drifts down. Talk about a vampire that's not exactly twilight material, Mine my mind, How must me you have on your bodies?

With her skin, blood, and in this case fat. In two thousand and nine, a shocking story's broke out of Brue. Authorities claim they pust a gang that murdered dozens of people and drained their fat for some twisted international cosmetic trade to Europe. But when experts took a closer look, new theory started swirling. They proposed that this grizzly tale might have been cooked up by the National Police Force to cover up their own dirty deep testests. But while the story of the Fat Stephen Gang might have been debunked, it's rules in something much darker. Nighttime Harvest introduces us to the crucial legend of the Pistocle, which goes way back to the horror of the colonial leer. Imagine the fear of the indigence folks of the Andes hearing tales of pale skinned monstrous preying on them in the night. From those very real fears, Elpi Stocko was born a nightmare from the horrors of colonization. This pale skins creep praise on locals slitting their throats and hanging them over a slow flame to collect their fresher fat as it drifts down. Talk about a vampire that's not exactly twilight material, Mine my mind, How must me you have on your bodies?

Hi?

Hi?

Everyone blame here again? I wrote Nighttime Harvest.

Everyone blame here again? I wrote Nighttime Harvest.

This one was.

This one was.

Very exciting for me because what I love about a lot of Latin America folklore is that a lot of it's still alive.

Very exciting for me because what I love about a lot of Latin America folklore is that a lot of it's still alive.

And a lot of people really believe.

And a lot of people really believe.

In it, Versus a lot of Western legends like the Greek gods and stuff.

In it, Versus a lot of Western legends like the Greek gods and stuff.

No one really those are just stories.

No one really those are just stories.

I feel like these are all very present still and people are scared of them and using them. So yeah, when I was researching into the piach taco, I came on upon this news article of kind of these corrupt cops who were kidnapping people in Peru and blamed it on the peach taco and started a whole hysteria around.

I feel like these are all very present still and people are scared of them and using them. So yeah, when I was researching into the piach taco, I came on upon this news article of kind of these corrupt cops who were kidnapping people in Peru and blamed it on the peach taco and started a whole hysteria around.

And I know something similar happened.

And I know something similar happened.

In Puerto Rico recently with the Chupicaba. A bunch of animals were dying and another hysterio broke out with that. So yeah, I was like, how can I make this feel even more present? And I lived in New York City for a while, was like, what if the peach tacos in New York?

In Puerto Rico recently with the Chupicaba. A bunch of animals were dying and another hysterio broke out with that. So yeah, I was like, how can I make this feel even more present? And I lived in New York City for a while, was like, what if the peach tacos in New York?

That feels really terrifying to me. And then.

That feels really terrifying to me. And then.

It's also the legend basically comes from colonization, where the indigenous people in Peru basically were like, there's this blonde, creepy man with a beard who's coming around and stealing her fat. It's believed they were scared of the fat because the soldiers were using fat to horse fat and pig fat to help with their guns, losing their guns, and they were also like shining bells with them, so they were actively using fat regularly and they were scared they were gonna steal it from them, which also felt like.

It's also the legend basically comes from colonization, where the indigenous people in Peru basically were like, there's this blonde, creepy man with a beard who's coming around and stealing her fat. It's believed they were scared of the fat because the soldiers were using fat to horse fat and pig fat to help with their guns, losing their guns, and they were also like shining bells with them, so they were actively using fat regularly and they were scared they were gonna steal it from them, which also felt like.

Stealing a part of you and like their culture.

Stealing a part of you and like their culture.

And I also, Latino food does have a lot of fat in it, so I found that interesting. So yeah, I brought it to New York City and then brought a girl there. And I know I was living up in Harlem and Washington Heights and that whole area is gentrified. Kind of married those two iteas ideas together, the peach tacos, a gentrifier in New York.

And I also, Latino food does have a lot of fat in it, so I found that interesting. So yeah, I brought it to New York City and then brought a girl there. And I know I was living up in Harlem and Washington Heights and that whole area is gentrified. Kind of married those two iteas ideas together, the peach tacos, a gentrifier in New York.

Coming for this poor girl.

Coming for this poor girl.

And then yeah, I got a little freaky and dark with the ending. This is my most like evil episode.

And then yeah, I got a little freaky and dark with the ending. This is my most like evil episode.

I'd say, yeah, you definitely did.

I'd say, yeah, you definitely did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like being drained of fat is just so much more grotesque and freakier than being drained of blood.

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like being drained of fat is just so much more grotesque and freakier than being drained of blood.

Do you think, so, Like, why is it so horrible? It's just an awful Yeah.

Do you think, so, Like, why is it so horrible? It's just an awful Yeah.

I feel like with like Western vampires, it's almost been romanticized and sensualized, and for fat, it's like wait, Also, I'm like, how how do you do that?

I feel like with like Western vampires, it's almost been romanticized and sensualized, and for fat, it's like wait, Also, I'm like, how how do you do that?

Scientifically? Yeah? How exactly do you do that?

Scientifically? Yeah? How exactly do you do that?

And then there's also in this legend the commercial aspect of they weren't just taking the fat that they were then like selling the fat and making money off of it and using it for things, which is almost like that they're not even consuming it, they're using capitalism on top of it.

And then there's also in this legend the commercial aspect of they weren't just taking the fat that they were then like selling the fat and making money off of it and using it for things, which is almost like that they're not even consuming it, they're using capitalism on top of it.

Yeah, which is it feels like insulting what you're saying makes me think it's like a metaphor for just the complete exploitation of conversation, like being taken apart, you know, and like everything that's most precious about you being like used used up.

Yeah, which is it feels like insulting what you're saying makes me think it's like a metaphor for just the complete exploitation of conversation, like being taken apart, you know, and like everything that's most precious about you being like used used up.

Yeah, you never think like you can drain enough blood you you pass out and then it's over. But like if the fat is being drained for your body, like what is I actually don't want to think about that anyway, But.

Yeah, you never think like you can drain enough blood you you pass out and then it's over. But like if the fat is being drained for your body, like what is I actually don't want to think about that anyway, But.

Like I personally, I take a lot of pride in my curves, so like I wouldn't want to lose any of my fat.

Like I personally, I take a lot of pride in my curves, so like I wouldn't want to lose any of my fat.

I got a nice moody.

I got a nice moody.

So if the Peachtaco were made into a Hollywood movie, who do you think should play the role.

So if the Peachtaco were made into a Hollywood movie, who do you think should play the role.

It's it's the guy who played Hannibal on the TV show Mad's Michelson.

It's it's the guy who played Hannibal on the TV show Mad's Michelson.

I think he'd be great.

I think he'd be great.

But I think you could also do someone like younger and hotter.

But I think you could also do someone like younger and hotter.

I don't know.

I don't know.

It'd probably be a Scar Stars guard.

It'd probably be a Scar Stars guard.

Oh Stars Guard would be a natural choice. But also, what about Steve? Why does that seem.

Oh Stars Guard would be a natural choice. But also, what about Steve? Why does that seem.

He is charming?

He is charming?

Charming man like to play the character or just actually Steve Welcome back votes.

Charming man like to play the character or just actually Steve Welcome back votes.

Speaking of eternal youth and shallow graves, you mean doctor a naughty or naughty or however he said the mad scientists who turned his laboratory into a house of horror back in the nineteen since, this German surgeon moved to Venezuela and set up shop at the old hospital San Juan De. During the Federal War of the eighteen sixties, he got obsessed with decomposition. This guy started experimenting on uncleaned courses from the battlefields, hauling them to his lab at Bonavista on the backs of donkeys, and after some serious creepy trials, he invented a fluid as could preserve cadavers without even removing their organs. He was so dedicated to his paramids he even mummified himself.

Speaking of eternal youth and shallow graves, you mean doctor a naughty or naughty or however he said the mad scientists who turned his laboratory into a house of horror back in the nineteen since, this German surgeon moved to Venezuela and set up shop at the old hospital San Juan De. During the Federal War of the eighteen sixties, he got obsessed with decomposition. This guy started experimenting on uncleaned courses from the battlefields, hauling them to his lab at Bonavista on the backs of donkeys, and after some serious creepy trials, he invented a fluid as could preserve cadavers without even removing their organs. He was so dedicated to his paramids he even mummified himself.

So when I first heard about doctor Conochie, it's it was just so interesting because a lot of the lore and they're not there. There's stories that you know how they originated. Were not entirely sure where that came from. But doctor Conochie was a doctor that came over from Germany, uh and I made eighteen hundreds and did invent an boing fluid and created mummies and had himself Mamma mummified.

So when I first heard about doctor Conochie, it's it was just so interesting because a lot of the lore and they're not there. There's stories that you know how they originated. Were not entirely sure where that came from. But doctor Conochie was a doctor that came over from Germany, uh and I made eighteen hundreds and did invent an boing fluid and created mummies and had himself Mamma mummified.

He also there's a famous.

He also there's a famous.

Journalist and that he also mummified, and in the story goes is that he dressed him up in a really nice clothes and he just sat in his in his house for forty years and people.

Journalist and that he also mummified, and in the story goes is that he dressed him up in a really nice clothes and he just sat in his in his house for forty years and people.

Would come by and he was just a preserved mummy. So it's just it's just really yeah. And so I started thinking.

Would come by and he was just a preserved mummy. So it's just it's just really yeah. And so I started thinking.

About this, this doctor and how like that version of him from the eighteen hundreds if he were in today's day and age, like, what would that be like? And the more I thought about it, the more I just thought it was would be hilarious because it's just a man out of time and just really obsessed with the macabre.

About this, this doctor and how like that version of him from the eighteen hundreds if he were in today's day and age, like, what would that be like? And the more I thought about it, the more I just thought it was would be hilarious because it's just a man out of time and just really obsessed with the macabre.

And I just.

And I just.

I wanted to approach it a little differently. And so, as Stephan you mentioned earlier, just like growing up with tales from the crypt and even more more recently, like los of Spookies is. I was thinking that sort of that campiness would be really fun to play with, and so I have The first thing I started with was this dialogue between the main character, Roger, who's who's kind of a scoundrel running this.

I wanted to approach it a little differently. And so, as Stephan you mentioned earlier, just like growing up with tales from the crypt and even more more recently, like los of Spookies is. I was thinking that sort of that campiness would be really fun to play with, and so I have The first thing I started with was this dialogue between the main character, Roger, who's who's kind of a scoundrel running this.

Racket Roger.

Racket Roger.

And having him talk with doctor Gnocci him and this back and forth, and I just thought it was hilarious, and I had like pages and pages of them just going back and forth. And then I realized I could just couldn't be the entire thing.

And having him talk with doctor Gnocci him and this back and forth, and I just thought it was hilarious, and I had like pages and pages of them just going back and forth. And then I realized I could just couldn't be the entire thing.

Just then talking, so but just hang it.

Just then talking, so but just hang it.

Out at that point and and yeah, so that kind of just like gave me this idea of because he was obsessed with stopping the decomposition, so you know, that's kind of thinking more about like what if that turned into him being obsessed about stopping death completely and so maybe the rumors were conflated with the elixir of life and so now he's being credited with it.

Out at that point and and yeah, so that kind of just like gave me this idea of because he was obsessed with stopping the decomposition, so you know, that's kind of thinking more about like what if that turned into him being obsessed about stopping death completely and so maybe the rumors were conflated with the elixir of life and so now he's being credited with it.

So I took some liberties.

So I took some liberties.

With, you know, some of the story there, but but yeah, that was kind of the impetus for you know, where the story was going to go and what was going to drive it.

With, you know, some of the story there, but but yeah, that was kind of the impetus for you know, where the story was going to go and what was going to drive it.

I love this story so much, and I feel like I really want to see it as a feature film, like it gives me the vibes of like Death Becomes Her or Yeah, just that like that marriage of like really like wild dark humor and campiness.

I love this story so much, and I feel like I really want to see it as a feature film, like it gives me the vibes of like Death Becomes Her or Yeah, just that like that marriage of like really like wild dark humor and campiness.

It was just so fun. What was what was your favorite part of writing it?

It was just so fun. What was what was your favorite part of writing it?

Definitely the other the dialogue or the interactions between doctor Gnoca and Roger.

Definitely the other the dialogue or the interactions between doctor Gnoca and Roger.

It got really stupid really fast, and I was just.

It got really stupid really fast, and I was just.

Such a fan of it. So yeah, that was definitely my favorite part. And then to hear Gonocci come alive in the way that he did in the episode, I was like, exactly the way it sounded in my head, and I tried to read the lines out loud and do my German accent and.

Such a fan of it. So yeah, that was definitely my favorite part. And then to hear Gonocci come alive in the way that he did in the episode, I was like, exactly the way it sounded in my head, and I tried to read the lines out loud and do my German accent and.

It just wouldn't work. So it was it was great to hear.

It just wouldn't work. So it was it was great to hear.

Finally, I want to hear your German accent. No, that were British.

Finally, I want to hear your German accent. No, that were British.

Wait, so you said this is from the eighteen hundreds, like the late eighteen hundreds.

Wait, so you said this is from the eighteen hundreds, like the late eighteen hundreds.

Yeah, mid mid eighteen hundreds.

Yeah, mid mid eighteen hundreds.

I think, I don't want to get the years wrong, but there's this civil war in eighteen forties and eighteen fifties, so he left Germany and came to yeah, and it was yeah, a doctor helped with the cholera epidemic. And then I think he died in like nineteen oh one, so he's like eighty eight when he died and was wow. Yeah, So it's a it's a story that's closer to now than a lot of a lot of the others.

I think, I don't want to get the years wrong, but there's this civil war in eighteen forties and eighteen fifties, so he left Germany and came to yeah, and it was yeah, a doctor helped with the cholera epidemic. And then I think he died in like nineteen oh one, so he's like eighty eight when he died and was wow. Yeah, So it's a it's a story that's closer to now than a lot of a lot of the others.

Yeah, And I find it interesting because like why mummification was that even popular then?

Yeah, And I find it interesting because like why mummification was that even popular then?

Or was he into Egyptians or it's.

Or was he into Egyptians or it's.

Just a weird dude.

Just a weird dude.

But I guess with the with the war, seeing so many dead bodies and there was he's just like, what do we do with all these dead bodies?

But I guess with the with the war, seeing so many dead bodies and there was he's just like, what do we do with all these dead bodies?

Maybe I don't know.

Maybe I don't know.

It could be a sentimentality to hold on to someone you lost or something.

It could be a sentimentality to hold on to someone you lost or something.

Yeah, I mean there's a question with.

Yeah, I mean there's a question with.

People out there listening, it's very psycho Domify your relatives and keep them in your house for forty years.

People out there listening, it's very psycho Domify your relatives and keep them in your house for forty years.

I also wanted to bring up one other thing in the episode that I love is the talking bird. Yeah, and I think that the original legend his nurse is a shape shifter.