Is there a case for marrying an 'older man'? A viral essay has brought up some strong feelings for Holly that she just has to unpack. Welcome to a special Hot Pod Summer episode, of one of our most talked about conversations from the show. 

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Listen: Some Things We Wish We Never Said
Listen: What Every Woman Needs To Hear From Her Ex
Listen: Get The F*ck Out Of Our Village (Please)
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CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman & Jessie Stephens

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Producer: Tahli Blackman

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Is there a case for marrying an 'older man'? A viral essay has brought up some strong feelings for Holly that she just has to unpack. Welcome to a special Hot Pod Summer episode, of one of our most talked about conversations from the show.&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_content=black-friday&amp;code=OUTLOUDFRIDAY">Support independent women's media</a>
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The End Bits:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Listen:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/what-mia-jessie-and-holly-regret-saying-on-podcast/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">&nbsp;Some Things We Wish We Never Said</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-reason-we-are-so-bored">What Every Woman Needs To Hear From Her Ex</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/village-community-raising-children">Get The F*ck Out Of Our Village (Please)</a></li>
<li>Listen to Mia on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/">No Filter&nbsp;</a></li>
</ul>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman &amp; Jessie Stephens
Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Producer: Tahli Blackman
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Smart, often silly and sometimes surprising. Absolutely everything is up for discussion: from pop culture to politics, body image to motherhood, feminism to fashion. Join Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright and Jessie Stephens as they dissect the news and issues of the week.

Smart, often silly and sometimes surprising. Absolutely everything is up for discussion: from pop culture to politics, body image to motherhood, feminism to fashion. Join Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright and Jessie Stephens as they dissect the news and issues of the week.

A weekly podcast that's smart, often silly and sometimes surprising.

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Our Most Talked About Conversations: ‘The Uncomfortable Case For Marrying An Older Man’ 

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Is it getting hot in here... or is it just peri? We have a sexy little treat for you Outlouders and it's an episode all about sex. 

Overlooked, touched-out and too tired. That's how many MID women feel about sex. It's how Leslie Morgan felt, too. At 49, her marriage ended, and after not having sex for three years, she decided to change that. Over the next year, Leslie found five boyfriends and discovered her sexual self wasn't actually dead, she was just having a good lie down. 

In this MID interview, Holly Wainwright speaks to author and advocate Leslie Morgan, to discuss what women really mean when they say they no longer care about sex, why you should never cover your wrinkles to attract a younger man (if you want one) and how it feels to have the best sex of your life after 50. 

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LINKS:
You can learn more about Leslie and find her books here.
You can follow Leslie on Instagram here.

THE END BITS: 

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Host: Holly Wainwright

Executive Producer: Naima Brown

Content Manager: Talissa Bazaz

Audio Producer: Thom Lion

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Is it getting hot in here... or is it just peri? We have a sexy little treat for you Outlouders and it's an episode all about sex.&nbsp;
Overlooked, touched-out and too tired. That's how many MID women feel about sex. It's how Leslie Morgan felt, too. At 49, her marriage ended, and after not having sex for three years, she decided to change that. Over the next year, Leslie found five boyfriends and discovered her sexual self wasn't actually dead, she was just having a good lie down.&nbsp;
In this MID interview, Holly Wainwright speaks to author and advocate Leslie Morgan, to discuss what women really mean when they say they no longer care about sex, why you should never cover your wrinkles to attract a younger man (if you want one) and how it feels to have the best sex of your life after 50.&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_content=black-friday&amp;code=OUTLOUDFRIDAY">Support independent women's media</a>
<a href="https://www.outloudlive.com.au/">Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular&nbsp;</a>
LINKS: You can learn more about Leslie and find her books&nbsp;<a href="https://www.lesliemorgansteiner.com/">here</a>. You can follow Leslie on Instagram&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lesliebooks/?hl=en">here</a>.
THE END BITS:&nbsp;
Share your feedback!&nbsp;<a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960" data-stringify-link="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960" data-sk="tooltip_parent">Send us a voice message&nbsp;</a>or email us at&nbsp;<a href="mailto:podcast@mamamia.com.au">podcast@mamamia.com.au</a>&nbsp;
Follow us on Instagram&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/midbymamamia/?hl=en">@MidbyMamamia</a>&nbsp;or sign up to the MID newsletter, dropping weekly&nbsp;<a href="https://midbymamamia.substack.com/">here</a>.&nbsp;
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CREDITS:
Host:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/wainwrightholly/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;amp;ig_mid=74644078-8F28-485C-9065-97B07E9DEE99">Holly Wainwright</a>
Executive Producer: Naima Brown
Content Manager: Talissa Bazaz
Audio Producer: Thom Lion
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Holly Recommends MID: From No Sex To Best Sex At 49

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Have you ever wondered how Holly, Mia and Jessie navigate their threesome friendship? 

Outlouders, we have a little treat for you -- a taste of the kinds of conversations that our subscribers get exclusively twice a week!

In this episode, we help a listener unpack her own threesome friendship dilemma, after her friends went on the annual girls trip... without her. Plus, Holly, Mia and Jessie share their own personal take as a friendship threesome. 

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The End Bits:  
Listen: Jessie's Great Big Mother-In-Law Dilemma
Listen: My Summer Vagina & Emotional Regulation
Listen: "We Can See You... Could You Not?"
Listen: A Very Awkward Sex Toy Dilemma
Listen: A Friendship Dilemma Very Close To Home
Listen to No Filter: Throuple Life: Rowan Mangan And Her Two Wives
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. 

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Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman & Jessie Stephens 

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Have you ever wondered how Holly, Mia and Jessie navigate their threesome friendship?&nbsp;
Outlouders, we have a little treat for you -- a taste of the kinds of conversations that our subscribers get exclusively twice a week!
In this episode, we help a listener unpack her own threesome friendship dilemma, after her friends went on the annual girls trip... without her. Plus, Holly, Mia and Jessie share their own personal take as a friendship threesome.&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_content=black-friday&amp;code=OUTLOUDFRIDAY">Support independent women's media</a>
<a href="https://www.outloudlive.com.au/">Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular&nbsp;</a>
The End Bits:&nbsp;&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mother-in-law-mia-dilemma/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Jessie's Great Big Mother-In-Law Dilemma</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/emotional-regulation">My Summer Vagina &amp; Emotional Regulation</a></li>
<li>Listen:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/sexless-marriage-dilemma/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"> "We Can See You... Could You Not?"</a></li>
<li>Listen:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/buying-friends-sex-toys/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">&nbsp;A Very Awkward Sex Toy Dilemma</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/friend-of-sisters-dilemma/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">A Friendship Dilemma Very Close To Home</a></li>
<li>Listen to No Filter:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/rowan-mangan">Throuple Life: Rowan Mangan And Her Two Wives</a></li>
<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/channel/mamamia/id6442502456?ign-itscg=80085&amp;ign-itsct=pod_cha_mamam332_NA">Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts&nbsp;</a></li>
</ul>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman &amp; Jessie Stephens&nbsp;
Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

How We Navigate Our Threesome

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Happy New Year Outlouders! It’s the first day of 2025, and that means it's time for Word Of The Year. 

If you're new here... welcome to the group and to one of our most anticipated episodes of the year. 

New Year's resolutions can be a bit drab, so instead, every year we choose a word to that helps us set an intention for the 12 months ahead of us. Word of the year is more of a vibe that helps create a focus or filter for every moment and decision, big or small, that is to come. 

But before Holly, Jessie and Mia share their words for 2025... they reflect on 2024. They give themselves a performance review on their word for last year and see if they lived up to them... or better yet remembered what it was!

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What To Listen To Next: 
Listen: The Breakup Text We Got This Week
Listen:  Get The F*ck Out Of Our Village (Please)
Listen: The Trends We Want To Return (Or Die For Good)
Listen: Jay-Z And An Audacious Family PR Strategy
Listen: It's Time We Talked About 'That Guy'
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

The End Bits: 

Sign up to the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place. 

What To Read: 
Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025.

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud

CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman & Jessie Stephens 

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Production: Leah Porges

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Happy New Year Outlouders! It&rsquo;s the first day of 2025, and that means it's time for Word Of The Year.&nbsp;
If you're new here... welcome to the group and to one of our most anticipated episodes of the year.&nbsp;
New Year's resolutions can be a bit drab, so instead, every year we choose a word to that helps us set an intention for the 12 months ahead of us. Word of the year is more of a vibe that helps create a focus or filter for every moment and decision, big or small, that is to come.&nbsp;
But before Holly, Jessie and Mia share their words for 2025... they reflect on 2024. They give themselves a performance review on their word for last year and see if they lived up to them... or better yet remembered what it was!
<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_content=black-friday&amp;code=OUTLOUDFRIDAY">Support independent women's media</a>
<a href="https://www.outloudlive.com.au/">Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular&nbsp;</a>
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Listen: T<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/breakup-over-text-advice/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">he Breakup Text We Got This Week</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/village-community-raising-children">&nbsp;Get The F*ck Out Of Our Village (Please)</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/in-and-out-list-trends/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Trends We Want To Return (Or Die For Good)</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/jay-z-allegations">Jay-Z And An Audacious Family PR Strategy</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/inappropriate-workplace-behaviour/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">It's Time We Talked About 'That Guy'</a></li>
<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/channel/mamamia/id6442502456?ign-itscg=80085&amp;ign-itsct=pod_cha_mamam332_NA">Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts&nbsp;</a></li>
</ul>
The End Bits:&nbsp;
Sign up to the <a href="https://mamamiaoutloud.substack.com/">Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter </a>for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.&nbsp;
What To Read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/mamamia-out-loud-live-tickets/">Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025.</a></li>
</ul>
GET IN TOUCH:
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman &amp; Jessie Stephens&nbsp;
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Audio Production: Leah Porges
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Word Of The Year 2025 

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Our Most Talked About Conversations: ‘The Uncomfortable Case For Marrying An Older Man’

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