Our friend Jacinda Ardern has not been having the best of weeks. Once declared COVID-free, New Zealand now has 23 active cases. What went wrong and why are people blaming the most approved-of political leader in a century? We discuss.

Also, Masterchef’s Jock Zonfrillo is the latest high-profile person to call out a troll by name. It’s a strategy adopted by many. But does it work?

Plus, a check in on our Word of the Year. 

LINKS
Jessie’s article about Andrew Bolt… https://www.mamamia.com.au/andrew-bolt-news/

RECCOS

Holly- LOL on Amazon Prime Video… https://www.amazon.com/LOL-Last-One-Laughing-Season/dp/B07L47ZYV8

CREDITS

Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Mia Freedman and Holly Wainwright

Producer: Lem Zakharia

CONTACT US

Via our PodPhone on 02 8999 9386

Via our email at outloud@mamamia.com.au  

Via our Outlouders Facebook page- https://www.facebook.com/groups/329632330777506/

Mamamia Out Loud is a podcast by Mamamia-  https://www.mamamia.com.au/author/mamamiaoutloud/

Our friend Jacinda Ardern has not been having the best of weeks. Once declared COVID-free, New Zealand now has 23 active cases. What went wrong and why are people blaming the most approved-of political leader in a century? We discuss.
Also, Masterchef&rsquo;s Jock Zonfrillo is the latest high-profile person to call out a troll by name. It&rsquo;s a strategy adopted by many. But does it work?
Plus, a check in on our Word of the Year.&nbsp;
LINKS
<ul>
<li>Jessie&rsquo;s article about Andrew Bolt&hellip; <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/andrew-bolt-news/">https://www.mamamia.com.au/andrew-bolt-news/</a></li>
</ul>
RECCOS
Holly- LOL on Amazon Prime Video&hellip; <a href="https://www.amazon.com/LOL-Last-One-Laughing-Season/dp/B07L47ZYV8">https://www.amazon.com/LOL-Last-One-Laughing-Season/dp/B07L47ZYV8</a>
CREDITS
Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Mia Freedman and Holly Wainwright
Producer: Lem Zakharia
CONTACT US
Via our PodPhone on 02 8999 9386
Via our email at outloud@mamamia.com.au&nbsp;&nbsp;
Via our Outlouders Facebook page- <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/329632330777506/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/329632330777506/</a>
Mamamia Out Loud is a podcast by Mamamia-&nbsp; <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/author/mamamiaoutloud/">https://www.mamamia.com.au/author/mamamiaoutloud/</a>

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

A weekly podcast that's smart, often silly and sometimes surprising.

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Jacinda Ardern Is Having A Bad Week

Would you ask a date what they earn? A BBC piece found plenty of people who’d rather not, but Em Vernem has a strict rule she adheres to — Holly's Britishness hates it.

Also, quiet quitting is over. Loud working, with emails scheduled for 2am, is the new survival strategy.

And the new Rules of Rudeness. If you bring a bottle of wine to a friend’s house, are you allowed to drink it? Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright can't agree, and it’s just one of the social rules nobody explained to us. Holly has gone off small talk. Nobody else has.

Plus, Jessie Stephens needs Halloween costume ideas for her twins. Please give us your cutest suggestions in the Outlouders Facebook group!

We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.

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Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit

Video Producer: Matt Perry

Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Would you ask a date what they earn? A BBC piece found plenty of people who&rsquo;d rather not, but Em Vernem has a strict rule she adheres to &mdash; Holly's Britishness hates it. Also, quiet quitting is over. Loud working, with emails scheduled for 2am, is the new survival strategy. And the new Rules of Rudeness. If you bring a bottle of wine to a friend&rsquo;s house, are you allowed to drink it? Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright can't agree, and it&rsquo;s just one of the social rules nobody explained to us. Holly has gone off small talk. Nobody else has. Plus, Jessie Stephens needs Halloween costume ideas for her twins. Please give us your cutest suggestions in the Outlouders Facebook group!
We&rsquo;re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We&rsquo;re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at<a href="http://apple.co/creatorsweloveau."> apple.co/creatorsweloveau.</a>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/social-etiquette-to-live-by/">Modern-day social etiquette you should live and die by.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/money-conversations-in-relationships/">"Don&rsquo;t delay it." The 5 money conversations every couple needs to have.</a></li>
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The New Ways To Be Rude & “How Much Do You Earn?”

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Our favourite freelance royal Prince Harry is teaching a masterclass in grief, and he’s being paid for it. If everyone from the brother to the butler has made money off Diana, why not her son? Jessie has a theory, and Mia has a number.

Plus a comedian has walked onto one of the biggest stages in American TV and announced that women at the gym now dress like wh*res. Shane Gillis hosted Saturday Night Live, and Jessie has watched the whole monologue - and thinks it’s worse in context. Then the female comics of the world answered him, and Holly says he’s fair game.

Mia is watching a reality show she doesn’t even like. It has something in common with the Matildas, the Eras Tour and a funeral.

And, Girls is coming back. Same girls, now 40.

 

We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.

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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Our favourite freelance royal Prince Harry is teaching a masterclass in grief, and he&rsquo;s being paid for it. If everyone from the brother to the butler has made money off Diana, why not her son? Jessie has a theory, and Mia has a number. Plus a comedian has walked onto one of the biggest stages in American TV and announced that women at the gym now dress like wh*res. Shane Gillis hosted Saturday Night Live, and Jessie has watched the whole monologue - and thinks it&rsquo;s worse in context. Then the female comics of the world answered him, and Holly says he&rsquo;s fair game. Mia is watching a reality show she doesn&rsquo;t even like. It has something in common with the Matildas, the Eras Tour and a funeral. And, Girls is coming back. Same girls, now 40.
&nbsp;
We&rsquo;re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We&rsquo;re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at<a href="http://apple.co/creatorsweloveau."> apple.co/creatorsweloveau.</a>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/types-of-grief/">'I thought I knew what grief would look like. Eight weeks after Mum died, I realised I was wrong.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/celebrity-traitors-uk-2026/">'The best part about this reality show is that the contestants are simply terrible at it.'</a></li>
</ul>
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There's Wh*res In This Gym & Harry’s Masterclass On Grief

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Mary Fowler pulled out of two Matildas games and flew home, reportedly to be with her injured partner Nathan Cleary. Good on her, or did she let the team down? Em, freshly back from Cambodia, brings Holly and Jessie the sport story everyone has an opinion on. And would the conversation be different if it were Cleary?

Plus, Kelly Clarkson walked into a Brooklyn curiosity shop, asked about a singing mechanical bird and walked out feeling like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. Holly and Em perform a dramatic reading of the feud that followed on X. Who’s in the right? And is a mechanical bird really worth all this?

We’re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We’re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at apple.co/creatorsweloveau.

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What To Listen To Next: 
Listen to our latest episode: A Botched Execution & The In-Law Photo Dilemma
Listen: Zoë Foster Blake’s 'FIBI' Rule Will Change Your Friendships & How To Buy Clothes That Fit You
Listen: The 'Cornell 7', Fraternity Culture & 'Me Too' For A New Generation
Listen: Everything We Know About Sam Wood
Listen: A Pap Walk & A Pub Lunch: An Unhinged Royal Wrap
Listen: Three Rules For Life & The Worst Person In A Conversation
Listen: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

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Two words were all Mary Fowler owed us.
From Cairns to the World Cup: How Mary Fowler became the youngest Matildas player.
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Mary Fowler pulled out of two Matildas games and flew home, reportedly to be with her injured partner Nathan Cleary. Good on her, or did she let the team down? Em, freshly back from Cambodia, brings Holly and Jessie the sport story everyone has an opinion on. And would the conversation be different if it were Cleary? Plus, Kelly Clarkson walked into a Brooklyn curiosity shop, asked about a singing mechanical bird and walked out feeling like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. Holly and Em perform a dramatic reading of the feud that followed on X. Who&rsquo;s in the right? And is a mechanical bird really worth all this?
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