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Do you need to justify a ridiculous purchase? This episode Clare Stephens teaches us how to employ the genius of girl math.

Plus, Holly and Mia unpack the new phenomena of ‘glimmers’ and reflect on their own personal glimmers.

And, we discuss why so many young people are letting their friends track their phones.

The End Bits: 
Listen to our latest episode: Em Rata Just Fell Into The Relatability Trap
Read: 'I just discovered 'Girl Math,' and now everything makes sense.'
More Girl Math: Clare Explains 'Girl Math' To Luca

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman & Jessie Stephens

Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Assistant Production: Tahli Blackman

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

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Do you need to justify a ridiculous purchase? This episode Clare Stephens teaches us how to employ the genius of girl math.
Plus, Holly and Mia unpack the new phenomena of ‘glimmers’ and reflect on their own personal glimmers.
And, we discuss why so many young people are letting their friends track their phones.
The End Bits: 
<ul>
<li>Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/emily-ratajkowski-kim-kardashian-relatable/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Em Rata Just Fell Into The Relatability Trap</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/porn-stars-schoolies/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"></a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/girl-math/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">'I just discovered 'Girl Math,' and now everything makes sense.'</a></li>
<li>More Girl Math: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/CvriM0COft_/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Clare Explains 'Girl Math' To Luca</a></li>
</ul>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman &amp; Jessie Stephens
Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Assistant Production: Tahli Blackman
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation—with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation&mdash;with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem.&nbsp;It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

A weekly podcast that's smart, often silly and sometimes surprising.

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SUMMER SERIES: The 2023 Maths Equation We Didn't Know We Needed

The Oscars is two days away, and while experts predict with data, Mamamia Out Loud predicts with vibes. From naked afterparty guests to the high-stakes battle between Michael B. Jordan and Timothée Chalamet, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, and Em Vernem are placing their bets and asking an important industry question - will Lewis Hamilton use this as a moment for a Kim K hard launch?

Plus, the "boyboss" era is over and crying at work is officially encouraged, which is lucky. Emily shares her first Mamamia cry while Holly would still rather die than leak from the eyes. Is crying now a valid form of corporate communication, or just a sign that your workplace is the problem?

Also, are you treating your morning like an “Opening Shift”? The theory leans into a morning that’s all about setting up for the day. Em’s into it, with her early-morning doomscroll and home-brewed coffee under her belt. Clare has a toddler, so her morning’s are… enough said, and Holly has left that chaos era behind. But the question remains - is the snooze button your friend or your enemy? 

Plus, the allure of the bald man and the happiest place on the Internet that celebrates them.  And… recommendations:

Em recommendsHow to get to heaven from Belfast on Netflix.  

Clare recommends The Death of Us by Abigail Dean

Holly recommends Harry Styles. One night in Manchester on Netflix.  

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Listen to our latest episode: A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Very Surprising, Very Wonderful Twins Update
Listen: Mia, Female Friendships & The '3-Word Rule'
Listen: A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana
Listen: Beckham, Meghan & Jessie's Hospital Voice Note
Listen: How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone
Listen: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

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What to read: 
How to recover from a massive, ugly, work cry.
'I'm a night owl who wakes up at 4:30am every day. This is how I do it.'
'I spend an hour on Instagram': 6 women share exactly what their morning routine looks like.
This new Netflix show is a mix between 'Derry Girls' and 'Only Murders in the Building'.
Harry Styles refuses to repeat himself. On his fourth album, that's the whole point.

THE END BITS: 

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

The Oscars is two days away, and while experts predict with data, Mamamia Out Loud predicts with vibes. From naked afterparty guests to the high-stakes battle between Michael B. Jordan and Timoth&eacute;e Chalamet, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, and Em Vernem are placing their bets and asking an important industry question - will Lewis Hamilton use this as a moment for a Kim K hard launch?
Plus, the "boyboss" era is over and crying at work is officially encouraged, which is lucky. Emily shares her first Mamamia cry while Holly would still rather die than leak from the eyes. Is crying now a valid form of corporate communication, or just a sign that your workplace is the problem?
Also, are you treating your morning like an &ldquo;Opening Shift&rdquo;? The theory leans into a morning that&rsquo;s all about setting up for the day. Em&rsquo;s into it, with her early-morning doomscroll and home-brewed coffee under her belt. Clare has a toddler, so her morning&rsquo;s are&hellip; enough said, and Holly has left that chaos era behind. But the question remains - is the snooze button your friend or your enemy?&nbsp;
Plus, the allure of the bald man and the happiest place on the Internet that celebrates them.&nbsp; And&hellip; recommendations:
<ul></ul>
Em recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4baoAYE">How to get to heaven from Belfast </a>on Netflix.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Clare recommends&nbsp;<a href="https://fave.co/4bzVd3a">The Death of Us</a> by Abigail Dean
Holly recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4lhjChg">Harry Styles. One night in Manchester</a> on Netflix.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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What To Listen To Next:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/jessie-twins-birth-story">A Lil' Treat: Jessie&rsquo;s Very Surprising, Very Wonderful Twins Update</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-female-friendship-mel-robbins/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Mia, Female Friendships &amp; The '3-Word Rule'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/gwyneth-auction-meghan-sydney/">A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-mia-diary-note-nana/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/beckham-meghan-jackie-o/">Beckham, Meghan &amp; Jessie's Hospital Voice Note</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/ghost-lashes-small-talk-tips/">How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-mia-freedman-working-mums-dilemma/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kyle-jackie-fight/">Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle &amp; Jackie O</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/channel/mamamia/id6442502456?ign-itscg=80085&amp;ign-itsct=pod_cha_mamam332_NA">Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts&nbsp;</a></li>
</ul>
Discover more <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/">Mamamia Podcasts here </a>including the very latest episode of <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/">Parenting Out Loud</a>, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"> Support independent women's media</a>&nbsp;
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What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/crying-at-work-yay-or-nay/">How to recover from a massive, ugly, work cry.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/how-to-wake-up-early-morning/">'I'm a night owl who wakes up at 4:30am every day. This is how I do it.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/my-morning-routine/">'I spend an hour on Instagram': 6 women share exactly what their morning routine looks like.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/how-to-get-to-heaven-from-belfast-review/">This new Netflix show is a mix between 'Derry Girls' and 'Only Murders in the Building'.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/harry-styles-new-album-review/">Harry Styles refuses to repeat himself. On his fourth album, that's the whole point.</a></li>
</ul>
THE END BITS:&nbsp;
Check out our merch at<a href="https://www.mamamiaoutloud.com.au/store"> MamamiaOutLoud.com</a>
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We&rsquo;re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Emily Vernem, Clare Stephens &amp; Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

What We Did Before 9am

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Outlouders, your usual Friday dose of Mamamia Out Loud will drop this afternoon but for now, here's a lil' treat from us to you. Enjoy. 

She’s 10 days on. She’s splitting her time and her heart between home and hospital, and she wants to share her story with you, Outlouders. 

Our beloved co-host Jessie Stephens gave birth to her boy-girl twins last week, earlier than hoped, and became a mum all over again. There will be so many of you who’ll relate to this story of terror-tinged joy, who will recognise the awe and exhaustion in Jessie’s voice, and who will want to send her so much love as she and her little family find their way through a new normal.

Jessie’s rock, her twin sister Clare Stephens as well as Emily Vernem and Holly Wainwright are asking the questions:. How much time did she get “off” before the babies came? What was the first thing that happened when they did? How is Luna? How is Luca? Can she finally eat chocolate again? And how is she staying sane and hopeful? A very special episode. 

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What To Listen To Next: 
Listen to our latest episode: Mia, Female Friendships & The '3-Word' Rule'
Listen: A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana
Listen: Beckham, Meghan & Jessie's Hospital Voice Note
Listen: How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone
Listen: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Listen: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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What to read: 
JESSIE STEPHENS: On being pregnant with twins. As a twin. With twin brothers.
CLARE STEPHENS: 'I did everything to avoid a traumatic birth. Then I had one.'
'I was 3 days postpartum and holding my son. Then a nurse said 5 words that broke me.'
'I was home alone when I went into sudden labour. I'll never forget what happened 40 minutes later.'

THE END BITS: 

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Outlouders, your usual Friday dose of Mamamia Out Loud will drop this afternoon but for now, here's a lil' treat from us to you. Enjoy.&nbsp; She&rsquo;s 10 days on. She&rsquo;s splitting her time and her heart between home and hospital, and she wants to share her story with you, Outlouders.&nbsp;
Our beloved co-host Jessie Stephens gave birth to her boy-girl twins last week, earlier than hoped, and became a mum all over again. There will be so many of you who&rsquo;ll relate to this story of terror-tinged joy, who will recognise the awe and exhaustion in Jessie&rsquo;s voice, and who will want to send her so much love as she and her little family find their way through a new normal.
Jessie&rsquo;s rock, her twin sister Clare Stephens as well as Emily Vernem and Holly Wainwright are asking the questions:. How much time did she get &ldquo;off&rdquo; before the babies came? What was the first thing that happened when they did? How is Luna? How is Luca? Can she finally eat chocolate again? And how is she staying sane and hopeful? A very special episode.&nbsp;
SUBSCRIBE here:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Support independent women's media</a>&nbsp;
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-female-friendship-mel-robbins">Mia, Female Friendships &amp; The '3-Word' Rule'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/gwyneth-auction-meghan-sydney/">A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-mia-diary-note-nana/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/beckham-meghan-jackie-o/">Beckham, Meghan &amp; Jessie's Hospital Voice Note</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/ghost-lashes-small-talk-tips/">How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-mia-freedman-working-mums-dilemma/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kyle-jackie-fight/">Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle &amp; Jackie O</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-love-story-jackie-o-kennedys-carolyn-bessette/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys &amp; That Fight Scene</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/andrew-scandal-royal-ascot-princesses-snub/">Uninvited Princesses &amp; The Dating Story We're Yearning For</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-the-three-questions-you-should-ask-on-a-first/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"></a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/channel/mamamia/id6442502456?ign-itscg=80085&amp;ign-itsct=pod_cha_mamam332_NA">Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts&nbsp;</a></li>
</ul>
Discover more <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/">Mamamia Podcasts here </a>including the very latest episode of <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/">Parenting Out Loud</a>, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"> Support independent women's media</a>&nbsp;
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@mamamiaoutloud">Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube</a>
What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jessie-stephens-pregnant-with-twins/">JESSIE STEPHENS: On being pregnant with twins. As a twin. With twin brothers.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/clare-stephens-birth-story/">CLARE STEPHENS: 'I did everything to avoid a traumatic birth. Then I had one.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/new-mum-postpartum-recovery/">'I was 3 days postpartum and holding my son. Then a nurse said 5 words that broke me.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/sudden-labour-signs/">'I was home alone when I went into sudden labour. I'll never forget what happened 40 minutes later.'</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/clare-stephens-birth-story/"></a></li>
</ul>
THE END BITS:&nbsp;
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GET IN TOUCH:
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A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Ready To Tell Her Twin Birth Story

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Mia is late to the party. Despite “Let Them” being (one of) her Words Of The Year last year, she is finally listening to the Mel Robbins audio book — and she has thoughts.

In this episode, Mia and Amelia unpack the complicated art of female friendships.  From the 'scatterings' of marriage and kids to the isolation of running a business, is the secret to staying connected actually just... loosening your grip?

But, while Mia is feeling a “massive unclenching”, Amelia is asking whether 'let them' is just a fancy way of being a passive friend?

Plus, the '3-Word Rule' that might actually save your friendship.

What To Listen To Next: 
Listen to Mel Robbins on No Filter: Mel Robbins On The Only Life Lesson You Need To Know
Listen to our latest episode: A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana
Listen: Beckham, Meghan & Jessie's Hospital Voice Note
Listen: How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone
Listen: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here:Support independent women's media 

Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:

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What to read: 
The 'let them' theory has changed more than 2 million people's lives.
The 'let them' theory changed 2 million people's lives. The 'who says' theory is the easy alternative.
'I tried the "Let Them Theory" on my kids... Here's what happened.'
'I asked my friends to give me a performance review. They said, "No".'

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

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Mia is late to the party. Despite &ldquo;Let Them&rdquo; being (one of) her Words Of The Year last year, she is finally listening to the Mel Robbins audio book &mdash; and she has thoughts.
In this episode, Mia and Amelia unpack the complicated art of female friendships.&nbsp; From the 'scatterings' of marriage and kids to the isolation of running a business, is the secret to staying connected actually just... loosening your grip?
But, while Mia is feeling a &ldquo;massive unclenching&rdquo;, Amelia is asking whether 'let them' is just a fancy way of being a passive friend?
Plus, the '3-Word Rule' that might actually save your friendship.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/gwyneth-auction-meghan-sydney/">A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/friendship-performance-review-trend-experiment/">'I asked my friends to give me a performance review. They said, "No".'</a></li>
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