Last year, it was about The Mummy Bloggers. This year it’s all about How To Be Perfect.

Mamamia Out Loud host Holly Wainwright's first novel focused on the complicated lives of three blogging mum's desperate for their blog to win the coveted Blog-ahhs.  In the sequel, How To Be Perfect, the focus shifts to the world of wellness.

Mia and Jessie sit down to talk about Holly’s new book in this special bonus episode of Out Loud, and give you a sneak peek of what you'll find inside...

Buy Holly's book How To Be Perfect here. It's out on the 29th of August.

Last year, it was about The Mummy Bloggers. This year it&rsquo;s all about How To Be Perfect.
Mamamia Out Loud host Holly Wainwright's first novel focused on the complicated lives of three blogging mum's desperate for their blog to win the coveted Blog-ahhs.&nbsp; In the sequel, How To Be Perfect, the focus shifts to the world of wellness.
Mia and Jessie sit down to talk about Holly&rsquo;s new book in this special bonus episode of Out Loud, and give you a sneak peek of what you'll find inside...
<a href="https://www.booktopia.com.au/how-to-be-perfect-holly-wainwright/prod9781760633486.html">Buy Holly's book How To Be Perfect here. It's out on the 29th of August.</a>

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

A weekly podcast that's smart, often silly and sometimes surprising.

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Book Club: How To Be Perfect

An Instagram post asked working mothers for their tips on juggling, and the comments section rebelled. Which is proof that in the last week of a school term, with the holiday/work pressure building, we are not in the mood for helpful hacks, we are in the mood for burning the whole thing down. So, how and why and when did the 'how do you do it all?' bubble burst?

Plus, Amelia Lester is here to help us pick through the chaos of Washington for anything that looks like a golden glimmer in a pile of poo. And some of the optimism is coming from some very unexpected corners. So, we’re unpacking: what happens when the 'worst person you know' actually makes a great point?

And in other business, butter. Just lots and lots of it. From 'butter-dipped' soft serves at the Royal Easter Show to parents on TikTok feeding their kids whole sticks of the stuff for 'brain fuel', it’s being hailed as the new superfood. So, is butter the new avocado? 

Oh, and, the clitoris has finally been mapped, but will that make it any easier for some to find? And Kris Jenner is the latest manifesting good luck symbol for an ambitious generation. Yup. You read that right.

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An Instagram post asked working mothers for their tips on juggling, and the comments section rebelled. Which is proof that in the last week of a school term, with the holiday/work pressure building, we are not in the mood for helpful hacks, we are in the mood for burning the whole thing down. So, how and why and when did the 'how do you do it all?' bubble burst?
Plus, Amelia Lester is here to help us pick through the chaos of Washington for anything that looks like a golden glimmer in a pile of poo. And some of the optimism is coming from some very unexpected corners. So, we&rsquo;re unpacking: what happens when the 'worst person you know' actually makes a great point?
And in other business, butter. Just lots and lots of it. From 'butter-dipped' soft serves at the Royal Easter Show to parents on TikTok feeding their kids whole sticks of the stuff for 'brain fuel', it&rsquo;s being hailed as the new superfood. So, is butter the new avocado?&nbsp;
Oh, and, the clitoris has finally been mapped, but will that make it any easier for some to find? And Kris Jenner is the latest manifesting good luck symbol for an ambitious generation. Yup. You read that right.
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The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Good Point

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Zendaya and Robert Pattinson are on a press tour, and the Internet’s calling them ‘classy’ because they’re not pretending to be in lust. Instead, they’re giving each other high-fives like they’re at a corporate seminar. Have we just witnessed the death of the 'fauxmance'?

Plus, in the US, a 20-year-old woman has won a landmark case against YouTube and Meta. She accused the tech billionaires of 'engineering addiction' and ruining her childhood in the process. Their punishment is negligible, so why is this moment being called social media’s ‘Big Tobacco’ moment? And is it a reason for Australia to feel smug about our child social media ban? 

In other business, a new biography of Queen Elizabeth II is shattering the 'cuddly grandma' illusion. Why are we so obsessed with minimising the most powerful women in history into just 'nice old ladies'?

Also, anyone want to go to the Evil Ex-Situationship Boxing Rave? Welcome to the particular hell of organised fun. 

And Emily, Holly, and Clare discuss the Boomer Hospital reveal. Otherwise known as why your mum waits until five minutes into the phone call to tell you dad’s in the ER. 

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Fellow Millenials, enough with the 'OK Boomer', already. It's embarrassing.

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Zendaya and Robert Pattinson are on a press tour, and the Internet&rsquo;s calling them &lsquo;classy&rsquo; because they&rsquo;re not pretending to be in lust. Instead, they&rsquo;re giving each other high-fives like they&rsquo;re at a corporate seminar. Have we just witnessed the death of the 'fauxmance'?
Plus, in the US, a 20-year-old woman has won a landmark case against YouTube and Meta. She accused the tech billionaires of 'engineering addiction' and ruining her childhood in the process. Their punishment is negligible, so why is this moment being called social media&rsquo;s &lsquo;Big Tobacco&rsquo; moment? And is it a reason for Australia to feel smug about our child social media ban?&nbsp;
In other business, a new biography of Queen Elizabeth II is shattering the 'cuddly grandma' illusion. Why are we so obsessed with minimising the most powerful women in history into just 'nice old ladies'?
Also, anyone want to go to the Evil Ex-Situationship Boxing Rave? Welcome to the particular hell of organised fun.&nbsp;
And Emily, Holly, and Clare discuss the Boomer Hospital reveal. Otherwise known as why your mum waits until five minutes into the phone call to tell you dad&rsquo;s in the ER.&nbsp;
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The Co-stars Refusing To Fake It & The Hell Of Organised Fun

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We’re following The Washington Post and asking the question Clare Stephens has been quietly pondering for a while: Are boomers the real iPad babies?

Plus, it’s been celebrity facelift week on social media and it’s unclear if actress Denise Richards is being celebrated as a person or an old church in the spon-con post telling us about her “restoration”. Holly wants to know if being open about your facelift is the new vulnerability, or are we just applauding the erasure of a life well-lived?

And, if you’re tired of the "How are you?" and "What are you doing?" cycle of boring small talk, Em has some very specific (and slightly unhinged) alternatives. From questioning how many pigeons it would take in your house before you suspected a conspiracy, to identifying which kitchen utensil you feel most connected to, the woman has you covered.

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Recommendations

Em recommendsDeadloch Season 2 on prime.  

Clare recommends the blog Wait But Why by Tim Urban, specifically, 10 Thoughts from the Fourth Trimester

Holly recommends the Good Hang with Viola Davis & specifically Julius 

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Listen: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: Burnout & Bras & Books, Oh My!
Listen: A Dangerous Influencer Trend & Scurrilous Lip-Reading Gossip
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What to read: 
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We finally love Anne Hathaway again, she only had to change everything about herself.
'I thought I was bad at small talk. Turns out, I was doing it wrong.'

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

We&rsquo;re following The Washington Post and asking the question Clare Stephens has been quietly pondering for a while: Are boomers the real iPad babies?
Plus, it&rsquo;s been celebrity facelift week on social media and it&rsquo;s unclear if actress Denise Richards is being celebrated as a person or an old church in the spon-con post telling us about her &ldquo;restoration&rdquo;. Holly wants to know if being open about your facelift is the new vulnerability, or are we just applauding the erasure of a life well-lived?
And, if you&rsquo;re tired of the "How are you?" and "What are you doing?" cycle of boring small talk, Em has some very specific (and slightly unhinged) alternatives. From questioning how many pigeons it would take in your house before you suspected a conspiracy, to identifying which kitchen utensil you feel most connected to, the woman has you covered.
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