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Hosts: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/">Mia Freedman</a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/author/jessie-stephens-2/">Jessie Stephens</a> and <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/this-glorious-mess/">Holly Wainwright.</a>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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Also, what people in the front row and concerts are really doing in their pants and why pop stars have had enough of it. 

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Executive Producer: Grace Rouvray

Video Producer: Josh Green

Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Em grew up watching this woman live her life online - and now she&rsquo;s gone. Why and how and what does it mean? Is it okay for older women to &ldquo;perve&rdquo; at younger men? One writer says yes, and also that there needs to be a new name for it.
Also, what people in the front row and concerts are really doing in their pants and why pop stars have had enough of it.&nbsp;
Clare has a message for Outlouders on her last show before her baby boy arrives. And it made her cry a little bit. Holly has a very, very weird little show for you, and Em wants you to get behind the return of the dragons.&nbsp;
Join the waitlist for Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series launching very soon. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, instant access. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.
Recommendations
Em recommends the <a href="https://fave.co/4ge7kpC">House Of The Dragon</a> on HBO.&nbsp;
Clare recommends YOU, the Outlouders.
Holly recommends <a href="https://iview.abc.net.au/show/small-prophets">Small Prophets</a> on ABC iview.&nbsp;
Keen for more? Check out the&nbsp;<a href="https://substack.com/@mamamiaoutloud">Mamamia Out Loud newsletter</a>.
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/work-from-home-parenting-hacks/">'I'm a WFH parent. Here are the 6 hacks I swear by to actually make it work.'</a></li>
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A literal giant castle is being wheeled into Madison Square Garden. Taylor’s dream wedding or an elaborate ruse? Amelia Lester has theories. 

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Millennials are complaining about their Boomer parents buying yachts instead of helping them pay student loans. Clare Stephens is asking: Is it okay for your parents to be living lavishly when you can’t  pay rent?

Oh, and forget 'Rich Face'- the absolute nonsense aesthetic beauty trend is 'Old Money Face'. Holly Wainwright unpacks why letting your face “erode” is suddenly the ultimate luxury flex.

Oh, and controversial sports correspondent Clare Stephens tells us how 20-year-old Aussie Maya Joint knocked Serena Williams out of Wimbledon.

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Listen: The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About
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Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
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'I blew a $62K inheritance in a year. This is exactly what I spent it on.'
There's never been a worse time to be in your 30s in Australia.

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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

A literal giant castle is being wheeled into Madison Square Garden. Taylor&rsquo;s dream wedding or an elaborate ruse? Amelia Lester has theories.&nbsp;
Callum Turner has just married Dua Lipa but his influencer ex says he always hated the spotlight. Why is it so deeply confronting when your ex&hellip; changes?
SUBSCRIBE here:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Support independent women's media</a>&nbsp;and get full access to every single episode of Out Loud.
Millennials are complaining about their Boomer parents buying yachts instead of helping them pay student loans. Clare Stephens is asking: Is it okay for your parents to be living lavishly when you can&rsquo;t&nbsp; pay rent?
Oh, and forget 'Rich Face'- the absolute nonsense aesthetic beauty trend is 'Old Money Face'. Holly Wainwright unpacks why letting your face &ldquo;erode&rdquo; is suddenly the ultimate luxury flex.
Oh, and controversial sports correspondent Clare Stephens tells us how 20-year-old Aussie Maya Joint knocked Serena Williams out of Wimbledon.
Join the waitlist for Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series launching very soon. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, instant access. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/prince-harry-royal-uk-visit/">&ldquo;Emotional Blackmail&rdquo; An Update On Harry&rsquo;s Visit Home</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-romance/">'I'd never cared about Taylor Swift's love life. One moment just changed my mind.'</a></li>
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‘Old Money’ Face & The Fight Millennials Are Having With Their Parents

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Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright & Emily Vernem on our subscriber-only episode.  You can listen to the full conversation: “Emotional Blackmail” An Update On Harry’s Visit Home

The royal reunion we've all been following might not happen after all.

Prince Harry and Meghan were reportedly planning to bring the kids to the UK for the first time in four years, but now the trip is in doubt after Harry's request for police protection was denied. Is this the latest chapter in the royal rift, or a completely reasonable decision from parents trying to protect their children?

Plus, Alex Cooper has finally responded to the allegations surrounding her media company, Unwell. It raises a familiar question: when the controversy centres on a man, why does the woman so often end up carrying the public fallout?

And Mia Freedman has some hard-earned advice for Alex about surviving life as a woman running a media company.

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Listen: The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About
Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
Listen: EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy & The Sack
Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at outloud@mamamia.com.au

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HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: Why Fergie is the most feared royal.

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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright &amp; Emily Vernem on our subscriber-only episode.&nbsp; You can listen to the full conversation: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/prince-harry-royal-uk-visit/?utm_medium=shownotes&amp;utm_campaign=podcast&amp;utm_content=subs-teaser">&ldquo;Emotional Blackmail&rdquo; An Update On Harry&rsquo;s Visit Home</a>
The royal reunion we've all been following might not happen after all.
Prince Harry and Meghan were reportedly planning to bring the kids to the UK for the first time in four years, but now the trip is in doubt after Harry's request for police protection was denied. Is this the latest chapter in the royal rift, or a completely reasonable decision from parents trying to protect their children?
Plus, Alex Cooper has finally responded to the allegations surrounding her media company, Unwell. It raises a familiar question: when the controversy centres on a man, why does the woman so often end up carrying the public fallout?
And Mia Freedman has some hard-earned advice for Alex about surviving life as a woman running a media company.
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