She's back, readers! One of the best in the biz, Naomi Ekperigin! She might be featured on this season of Netflix's The Standups, but baby she is sitting DOWN to talk with the hosts of Las Cultch about a great many things! Including!... star quality in political candidates, getting comfortable calling yourself a comedian, performing for the first time in a while post-pandemic, The Gilded Age, parental input on comedy, Abbot Elementary, Charlie Puth being hot, Calvin Klein ads as heterosexual weapons of war to slow gay people down, the ups and downs of Apple CarPlay culture, and final thoughts on Steve Brady from this season of And Just Like That. Are you a good sharer? Would you ever "get anything done"? Just some talking points we'll be expecting essays on! Love you all!! Naomi's I Don't Think So Honey is for the ages!!!
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Look mad oh, I see you. Look over there. How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, here we are even I am having such a good time. I mean, we're here in l A together. I want to just really savor this concept of us being in the studio together, because for so long this has not been the reality of this podcast. In fact, people have written things up about how, oh my god, lost Culturistas made it work being you know, bi coastal and such. And I don't want to be celebrated for that because I don't prefer that. I actually don't prefer it. And I think that all of our episodes that we've done in COVID or No One, Void, not Cannon, I don't think of them. Are we taking them off the count? Little girl? Little girl? Are we taking them off the count? We'll be taking off They'll be taking off the They don't count as episodes, and we're starting over. No, just kidding. In fact, we are barreling towards our three, which we have announced. I feel great is the Great Global Songbook. Lock Culture is just presents the Great Global song the three hundred songs of the Great Global Song Book. That is our episode. We are soaring towards it. And um, really we're taking suggestions. We're taking your suggestions. We you. I will just say that you and I have not been We have not discussed this yet because normally we have I think for before to two moments, like, really, it was just a Google doc. Basically, I don't want to reveal too much about the process. Well, I don't want to reveal too much about the process because then it just takes away from the enjoyment of the experience, sir, because the thing is they don't want to see the work, you know what I mean? When Meryl Streeps does adaptation. When Meryl Streeps does adaptation, you don't want to know that she how she how she got there. You just want to see what's her face Susan or Lean exactly, smoking weed, smoking weed and getting high. Of course, adaptation Meryl's greatest performance, one of them. So I don't to say too much about the Google doc of it all, but suffice it to say there was one for the top two hundred, and will there be one for the great Space? Watch this space? Can they say? I don't think it's gonna be a Google doc. I think it's gonna be a Google sheet because I want some fucking filters on that bitch. That'll be good for being tables. Yeah. I don't know how to use Google sheet, so I think that this would be a huge opportunity for me because then once I learned Google sheet, this guy's limits. I am so interested in computers and how they work. Did you know that I used to be a person who didn't who believed that my computer didn't make PDFs. There was a time in our lives when Matt Rodgers said, I have a virus on my MacBook that doesn't let me create PDF and you to send things to study, and she'd make them into PDFs and print them out for me, because I into that my computer did not many PDFs. Oh my god, and you and you were connested. The source of the virus was porn. For sure, it's gonna be something I watched so much porn, But porn that was always scrambled limited to the browser. It wasn't you're downloading things never, So then how would the virus make its way? I think viruses could be really sneaky about, especially now in the age of oh my god, you know this, this this oicron virus can just sneak in the cracks. You know, it doesn't matter who acted it or not, doesn't matter. Um I I wanna um just really rejoice in the fact that our guest is with us today. The third appearance on the show. Third appearance on the show, they get a jacket, they get No, we don't have one. We don't have the kind of money. UM, I mean we This was even before her half hour on the stand Ups on Netflix came in, which is exemplary. But we've one of my favorites, and we faggots have been out here saying me you Josh Sharp, Aaron Jackson have all been saying our favorite stand up comedian, my belo period, my beloved friend and guest on this podcast, Jared Freeder, the director and writer of Three Months out Now on Paramount This when when there was a moment where I was during early days of COVID, when I was on the zoom on the podcast Couples Therapy with Naomi and Andy of Fantastic Fantastic podcast, and I had Jared come into the room to bring me something because I knew that when he looked on the screen and son Naomi, I knew what would happen. His jaw would drop and he would say, you're my favorite comedian. And that's what happened. And that's what happened. And he said this in front of me, in front of Joe Kim, in front of all sorts of comedians. He says, no, Naomi is my favorite comedian, and he does an impression of her responsibly. He says, he says, white women, that's that's classic name. And he says, what is it my Melanie's my angelus or whatever it is. Don't go running in alone in the in the streets or whatever whatever it is. Um, that joke isn't in the special. Please check out the special. Check her out on Mythic Quest as Carol um she id, And this is this is someone who writes an acts flawlessly and does stand up. No. This is like this is like the Triple Crown Renaissance woman. But this is the comedy. This is the comedy, Like, this is what we wish we could do when you can write, act and stand up. I'm no, I'm you're you're saying this in like a jokey way, like don't ever project anything onto me. I think it's like truly, like no one can do that. There's no one that can do that. No, I'm thinking because I'm gonna. I'm I'm saying like, it's so hard to do all three. That's all I'm saying. I mean. And the people who are like supposedly do well and being fucking crooks, they're crooks of criminals. Sometimes I see these people, Okay, yeah, listen to me, look at me, and I'm looking at I see these stand ups written movies and they write they've written the movie and they acted it. And I'm like, you've stolen this returning from someone else. Not, I guess not, I guess. Oh, there's there's wealth to be shared with our guests. I'm so excited she's here. Welcome into your ears na only at bargain. Wow, that was an introduction for my dream journy. You bring it to you every ball, bring it to you every ball. Yes, that is absolutely true. I will point out that you are also both triple Crowns. You were like, no, it does stand up direct, We're not triple We're not triple Crowns. I've seen you both do stand up. Also, can we also say four actually vocalistas? Come on now that Cultista and Vocalista. You only opened for me on my Christmas show? Oh my god, what the one? Here are the ones? How was that so fun? In a fun time? And then O Crowns shut the hell down? And then you're like DC by going on aywhere else? Yeah, but I I don't know, Like I was just like so happy to provide my audience with Naomi. Like I was just like, and they lit up. She was doing a service. You weren't providing them anything. I was just saying the show, and so she was on it, and so therefore I was like helping to provide the sustenance. You are a purveyor of that good, of that good goody. How are you feeling? I am you know what? Honey? Yeah, I'll be real, I say, I'm doing my best. Yeah, no matter what it is, any given day, I'm giving you the best that I got Anita Baker style. Honey. I can't do anymore. I can't do any more than what I'm doing. The best. Naomi's best is very good. You have to be so thrilled with the response to your special I mean everyone like was like just over the moon about it. And everyone already obviously knew. I mean, if they didn't know, that's insane. But I also feel like in the last couple of years, like it has been a little bit of a moment, don't you feel no, And isn't that so funny, like when you're like, oh we again, we you know how this stuff works. I think it was funny when the half hour came out, like Okay, Hollywood, when are you calling Hollywood? Like waiting for the phone ring this most recent one. Yeah, when I was like, Holly was not calling, well maybe they get lost my number. And then at one point I thought it was Hollywood calling and it was just CVS and it was just like really hard, you know. But I am so happy that it's out in the world and that feeling of you know, when you out here just feeling like especially in the pandemic. You know what I'm saying, like when we were in the house for so long. Because what I'm happy about with that is that I put that together in two months after not being would you guys tape that August five and I got the invite may so I June July to hit the streets, put it together, try to bamboraze it and then put it out there and be like I hope they like so I was really so happy. I'm sorry to cut you off. I'm not so seamless. You couldn't even tell like where they were cutting in and out of, if they were at all. It just felt like that was just that was that one show. Yeah, yeah, I think maybe one joke from the second show, but it was there, you go. I mean like it was just so perfect anyway, sorry, no, thank you. I mean, I mean, I'll always take the accolades. Obviously interrupt me to give me a receiver over here, so what you do it twice? But they felt that one was I said, I literally said, after we like you better use that seven o clock show. The audience was perfection, And then the second show it was like, and it's funny because the second shows where all the people I knew were coming, Oh, so I expect that wouldn't be a little you know, it's late show energy. And when I say you've tep, you never know the science There is no science to it. There really isn't. Like it was funny because having performed a bunch in December, like um and after after, like you said, not for such a long time, like the audiences are definitely there, but but not every audience is like, we're so excited audiences where I was a group, you're like, Okay, y'all are a B plus you know what I mean? Great? Yeah, we love a B plus will because it keeps you hungry, keeps you humble, keeps you keeps you humble and hungry. I don't think Hollywood calls anymore. That that's not how I text. They text, but then also to knock on their doorge an, I mean like you have to door knock, kay, you to speak for your right. Oh my god, I am running, okay for local four or five child as a city council person. Oh my god, we need you, we need you. I would make calls for you. Thank you so much. Oh are you kidding me? I would make calls. I would campus the hell out of any neighborhood. I have you heard about naomiic paragain? Yeah? I am calling on behalf of the naomiic paragain. Okay, Well, um, have you seen brought cities she brought on that? You would be a good politician? Yes, you really would. Sometimes I do think of it. I do, but I don't you know. They're all crooks, you know, And so I I like, do I really want to be involved in that, but I would kind of like to be because I would like to be like fun politicians, That's what I mean. It's like the thing about politicians. I feel like so many of them are so fucking boring. Like I honestly think that we could win more seats if we just put some stars up there. And I don't mean actors turned this, I just mean people with star quality. Personality has star quality, and I think that's why everyone was like, who the funk is that? And then then like, of course her policies are amazing and like everything is great, but there is that intangible that like it really doesn't matter. And you see it with the presidential race. It's like, you know, very few of them have star quality, right right, Bernie had it, joke, kind of had. But like but for some people, for some people, some people were like, oh that Joe Biden, what you know? But you know what, that was not star That was comfort, and that was comfort that came from Stockholm syndrome. Okay, someone who is not known true love and saying, well, that reminds me of daddy, even though Daddy wasn't good to me. You know what, I'm saying it was like it was like it was like Daddy on his deathbed said I'll take care of you, and you believe Daddy, but you're still dying. Daddy's dying. Daddy died, Obama's gone, Daddy died. I thought Daddy was this country, and I know Daddy in this analogy, Daddy is Obama and he's you say, and then you can you imagine like I have to pivot, can you with the POC actually being out in this world repping a Caucasian literally be like I have a white friend and you should listen to him. I won't do I won't do it in a million years. Well, he didn't want to do what he wanted to do. He wanted it to be Kamala, but then she kept kind of flopping. So I feel like I should just be clear and say that I did not mean to simp for Mr Biden and that I just wanted to bring up examples outside of the AOC. Do we reveal M I don't. We can reveal if we if we want, Yes, Are you ready for this? We received a text from our manager saying, L O L would you ever have miss Jen Saki on the what I think and it was immediate. I was hiking at Griffith last week and I was like, no, I don't think we can. I was like, I just don't think it would be fun. Beyond that, it's just we can't. It's not that we don't support it so that we can endorse. Also, like what happened? Did do you think her people reached out to your people? So? I think our man are maybe we whatever. No, I don't think we should cut it out. This is around life, this is what we experience. Our managers were on a call with the White House Press team, social media team, some such we have on right. I guess they were talking a lot of like industry folks about like things that you know, the administration, Edgy. You don't be fun at edgy A racing student. Dad, continue, what did Jenna say she was gonna do? She? I don't think so, honey, reporter, my grill. I don't think sending every house in America COVID test what. I don't want to do that for all you know, I don't think so, honey. My guy who does my hair, why did you give me this Mr? Sloan haircut? Among you like trust, stay up in here like, maybe it would be fun if we if we gave her a script, maybe we could turn it around for Jen. Not that I think it's is it. I don't know, do people not like denzaging? I feel like after that Margarita um line, do you know what I'm talking about? What this was? After this was after um I think it was after Bill that Better died or something, um It's final death or some something like that. And then Jen was like on some talk show it might have been the view, might have been some other daytime thing where she was like, I understand that we're all feeling frustrated, but I think we all just got to take a weekend, take a kickboxing class, have a margaritaity with your girls, and come back because you have a fight to fight, just like that and just like that, Oh my god, See that is a you know what I think of that That is aggressively basic. That's an attack of basicness. But you know, but it's this thing where like, outside of the Twitter sphere, is that speaking to a segment of the population that like we we just don't haven't like we're completely out of touch with like a group of a huge swath of the people who do hear that and go go off girl? Absolutely not, especially the kickboxing class part because you can sub in with beverage of your choice for the second half and whatever you like. She's like, what's relatable kickboxing? Literally, it's just like pressed juice and read um wimen lobitches. You know, Like then we group whatever I mean. But the fact is, I mean we have actually people like um, they tweet in and they say we want to Naomi back. That is a true honor. You know, it was the funniest woman in America. Well, I was going to reach out to you guys. I feel like maybe I did too before it was coming out, and I was like, hey, can I come to the pot. That is like the hardest thing for me to do, to reach out to people and like ask them if I can like do their thing, even though I feel like at this point, I'm don't know y'all at least eight years, you know what I mean, at least I feel like I've known y'all out in these streets and I'm like, um, I know you're building an empire and actually wondering if you remember that one time we were in a green room. I think it was an old little fields. Yeah, it's old little field, the bigger one, old little field. Um, and we said we don't have it tonight, and then you sent me that text and I was like, of it wasn't It wasn't one of those. First of all, I should say that anytime I see, anytime I see someone asked for a favor, I go, no, I'm I'm so fucking I'm not. Yeah, it's not. It's not like no, open, it's just like, oh, I guess I'm just usually I know. It's not that. It's that I'm usually distracted enough to be like I need to think about this later, like hearing from you and like hearing that the special is coming at the half hour is coming, and I was like, oh my god, of course yeah it was. It's it's I think you are going into this with enough goodwill from so many people, with so many people that like you are you can actually pull that lever and sent because the thing is, I think you are like a comedians comedian whereas and like, it's just we're so excited. Everyone in the comedy community is so excited to see you succeed, and like that's for real. Well, and now it's to me I will say this right when we say, like, how do you feel you know about the response to special Nothing touches me more than the people when I reach out to you. Sorry comedians watched it. I was like, do you know how hard it is to watch another comedian do anything? You know what I mean? Like when you're out here and like trying and you're just like what tot this up between like seeing people sets all the time, or where you at emotionally at the time somebody else coming out, you know, I mean, I was like, oh my god, you actually chose to watch this and you're off time. Thank you for this blessing that is, that is the truth in the light, and that is definitely what made me feel like, Okay, okay, I'm one of I'm one of you now. Isn't it funny? Though, Like like because I would I would think of you as like someone who's like reached such a thing. But it's like you still feel and I still feel this way too, Like sometimes I even have a hard time even saying I'm a comedian still because I feel like there's this thing, there's this assumption when you say you're a comedian that you're funny it's like, you know, I have a tough time saying I'm a singer too, you know what I mean. It's like it's hard to like claim this thing or even actor, like I don't know what it is like or where I have to get to make sure that I'm okay with saying I am who I am, and then it goes away over time, like I guess now that I make money doing these certain things, it's like easier. But when did you feel comfortable saying you were what you were? Well, it's interesting so um among friends and people who who were in it easily immediately. I was actually on the lift a couple of days ago and the guy asked me what I did and I said I was a comedian and he was like really where? And I go Netflix. The ability to something specifically now makes me feel like I could tell a stranger off the street, because when you, you know, go to somebody's like I'm writer, it's like, okay, we would, I know, It's like I don't know what you would. I don't know your life, you know. But it's like now it feels like there's enough things that I could point to at any given time that now it feels like that's okay. And it's also for the people, for instance, who have no idea what we really do or what it entails. You can at least point to this end result because it's so My mom will still ask me about projects from like three years ago, right because you'll be like, well, whatever happened with that? And I'm like nothing, because but you're out it. And I was like, uh, just know what, Like maybe girl, you can't ask you gotta let go and let go. It's so interesting, like being in this is so different than what than than being outside it. Yeah, And to be honest, I've this is this is quickly just me saying this. I don't want to. I don't I'm not like that pulling focus or anything. I just I I I feel like I too, have had this crisis recently where I'm like, I don't think I can call myself a comedian. I don't think I can call myself a writer. I don't think I can call myself an actor. At this point, I'm like, I'm truly like, what is mine? There's no Yeah, I guess I guess there's something different about like the um whatever you put on your like taxes, this is whatever you like, however you like, identify and relate to like your craft. Yes, and I guess I'm not feeling like I guess I need to return to like this craft work relationship with it. Well. It's interesting because I will say, as much as you're both like so wrong and you're all the things that you don't think you are, I also really appreciate the fact that you're willing to stop and look within and say, am I comedian? Because too many people are saying their comedians are saying they're comedians out here. Okay, a viral tweet does not a comedian make, and I think I am. And of course we can all be everything. And it's not like what is stand up or whatever, But there is something for me about the um I hold in high regard the work it takes to stand up in front of people and win them over a live performance aspect. And if you have not had to do that to me, I'm not got a personality. You're an actor, Like, don't get me wrong, you have built up your crowd, but you know, I had to hit the streets and kind of had your head, your soul eroded in a certain okay, and then like you know, replenish, it's a different thing. I'm also excited to get to the point now with I mean hopefully and I'm knocking on wood with the numbers going down, and like you know, they're saying that Europe is like an quote unquote endgame of the pandemic. I'm really excited for people that are young and people that were starting out to be able to resume getting better and getting out there on stage, because I think that one of the big Obviously there's so many tragedies and sad elements of what we've been through in the past three years now, but I just think of myself as a developing talent when I was in my twenties and like really grinding and like waiting tables and that stage time was so important. And I think about the generation of people who just because of bad timing right when they were about to get their stuff and like the live scene was really thriving and then this happened and that had to stop. And not everyone is good at, you know, being malleable enough to go to the zoom or to go do front facing on Instagram, or or to be a self starter and write something and like get yourself out there, like it's not necessarily true that because you're a great life performer, you're going to be good at all that stuff. So just to know that, like you know, shows are happening again and to have seen it firsthand, like it's just nice because I know how invaluable that is and that it creates real performers. So it's nice to see the thing about live performance is that you can jump into it and then figure out what you're good at and it doesn't have to be live performance. Does that make sense? Yes? Yes, Well you're learning how you connect with people, and especially you're learning. At least for me, it was I learned how people saw me right when I get up? What is your expectation? How do I play with it and play into it? And so And it took me only of course, getting up in front of so many different people and realizing okay, right, and and there is that obviously of course it leads to like sick, sick levels of self consciousness and self obsession, but also a self awareness that can be very helpful. Yeah, that's I think when you know, I feel bad for people who kind of came up online because I mean, obviously it can be great and you out here logan polling it with your toiled mansions or whatever. But also the way you engage your humanity, it's like kind of such an extreme yeah, and it's like but also like people love you what I fucking hate and there's no It's like it's also you are you are literally calculating and negotiating your timing um and you don't actually know how to engage with things because it is like there is something about being in front of a live audience. And you know, I used to say, this is another reason why I think it's a shame that you know, we've had like the downfall of like UCB Chelsea, because what I always thought about, like watching really good improvisers in that space was they were able to do something really small and get a reaction just because of the way that space and it created great actors, you know what I mean. Like, and it's like you would only understand that from seeing, observing and performing in a space like that. So those spaces are really important, and so every time one shuts down or like something goes down with something, I'm like, gosh, that's like a whole legion of performers that would have thrived and been so great and like you know, it's it's it's so it's frustrating, but like I'm hopeful that like they'll return. It's just it's just it's been a long time since, like I have thought to myself, oh, I should go I should see like I might be doing something in the summer. I don't know yet. But the only hesitancy I have around it is that I haven't done it in so long, and I kind of compartmentalized SNL it's its own animals as its own animals with a separate skill set. Then what I used to do, which was like go up, either do like a weird six minutes set or do like something completely. Did you do power points and stuff? Would you ever? I did power points every now and then I would do Matt and I would do your lip things. I would there was I was kind of like getting like something close to like a fifteen minute sat down. I mean, now none of it is that usable in it anymore, I don't think. But I have a question. I feel like I I've fully like shed that and left that behind in a weird way. As you guys have gained an audience and attention, do you feel freer in that meaning, Okay, there are people who liked me. I can kind of get on stage and have fun now, you know, you know, as opposed to that feeling of like oh good, what's it gonna be? Or do you feel like no, It's like it's a different thing. There is a there is like one. So I did. The first show I did going back after not performing for legit two years is Greta and I had a headlining show in New York Comedy Festival, and so I did, I did like and I was like, oh yeah, I and I went up and did minutes which which not only had I not had I quote unquote not done in a while, I had never done. And it was it was you loved it. I loved it. And my my touring agent was there and he was like, why didn't you ever tell me you could do that? And I was like, to be honest with you, it's somewhere in a somewhere somewhere in between. I didn't know I could. And I just don't want to calm myself a stand up like unless I really because I respected so much and because I respect people like you so much, and I respect people like you know Joel and like Megan Gaily, you know what I mean, like people that are my peers. But but I can see the hard yards they put it on that art form, and so honestly, like when it comes to myself as a performer, I don't know how you feel, but yes, it is nice to know that I have people out there that enjoy what I do and enjoy my voice, and so therefore I don't feel as nervous about putting that into the container that is the stand up thing. But and then when I went out from my Christmas show and did a bunch of dates and had such a nice like turn out and everything, it was nice because I didn't think they came out just to cheer for me. I think they came out because they wanted to see it. And then they like you know what I mean, Like, I don't think it was this thing of like, oh, I can go out there and do anything, because if that was the case, I would and just make the check and then go. But like this feeds who I am, Like I really that's what I want to be as a comedian and an actor, etcetera. So it just gives you an excuse and it also just kind of it lets you kind of I feel free to try things and have fun, which is how I unlock personally how I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I think that's I I kind of really identify with all of that. And I don't mean to sound like super umm like like a downer on this, but like I feel like it's on this note of like compartmentalizing all this stuff with S and L. Now I'm kind of like, well, I have all of these support systems at my job. We're literally like I can like get the costume down and I can like get all these things like get get the look in the makeup and the writing and the cute cards all like lined up so that I can like just plug in and do it. Like it takes this different self sufficiency obviously to like write your own material, be the only person on stage unembellished, like to do it yourself, and I kind of don't know, I kind of need to work up the nerve to do it again because once you do it, once you do it, remember it's there. Yeah, yeah, you gotta break the seal. Yeah, definitely, definitely, And there is something about like that's for me what I always wanted, like my when I came like dreams for comedy, all I have ever wanted was the ability to like drop in places, right I do saying can I do that? And then also to know an audience is there for me, so it doesn't all have to be perfect. They like me enough to go on a journey, you know, and those are I think you're there. She's definitely better. We'll see it depends. It depends on where it's so funny. I did to show it Largo a couple of days ago, and what I tell you it was loosen two jokes in a dream and it and I was like, and I hadn't been up in like six weeks and I just hadn't you know, you always just don't have sh in your head like I didn't have. And so I was like, well, we'll see how much good will have a mask and they say, girl, you better dance the moment it was not imagine that audience, but I guess it happens, but like it happens, but it was just so I was like, oh, and I go, okay, I see, I see you want the a game. I see. Do you love a gay audience? I actually do. I'm not even actually do like don't you die for you? I know, but it's funny. It's a specific like gentle indoor Gays, I saw, I've seen you at the Duplex fucking kill I missed that? Is that is gentle indoor Gays? Yes, yes, like you know, just just it's a soft boy. We both read Babysitters Club, you know what I mean? Like that's the ghosts. Oh my god, absolutely a drowned prince. You know that funny. I feel like you are. I feel like the stand up is going to be something that like the return on the investment of that is going to come over time and later. Like it's the thing that the thing about Netflix I think is that like these stand ups is that like they live on there forever perpetuity, and like people will just that will be like the gateway that will keep the window will stay open on that and people will just keep discovering you. Yeah, I think, yeah, No, it's nice. It's funny. What has your so you you you reference something before we started, but I know we're going to get to it. But what's the media diet been lately? It's so funny because I have I've been into a lot of um British BBC give me a procedural. But it's a procedural that is an international rump. I am traveling from my couch, especially just that I'm watching something called Vandervalk and he's a cop and he's an Amsterdam and it is gorgeous. These bodies in the canal. I said, I'd love to They gotta look in the canal because there's always a body. If you want to go on an adventures a cop, you got to look in the canal. You have to. And I was like, this is gorgeous, And then okay, I really tried. I had started Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I had never watched a housewave and right because it's also only the one season, so I could, you know, I didn't have to catch up on like nine years. However, I did not like watching it by myself because there were so much like conversation and things I wanted to say, Like I would like text a friend of mine who would watch it and just like out of the blue and I'd be like, what is she on a pole in her damn house on the weekend? And she would be like, what are you talking about? And he's not watching it with you. Oh no, he won't do such a thing. He won't do such a thing. But also any we need separate So do you guys really do you guys have separate media diets? We do. We overlap on a couple of things, but definitely separate media diets. For instance, he's watching a lot of Seinfeld. Really he just like, let me go back. You know, it's like a very like almost that you know that um comfort watching keep it there, like I'm kind kind of checked out, and then um, you know British stuff. We watched a lot now, but it's funny the stuff we watched, Like, I don't I don't really want to feel stress in any way, so I just want to watch though I'm just like peacemaker, what's reach you're doing with? Like I just watched I just watched nonsense and I find that very Have you tried the Guilded Age? No, maybe that's it doesn't have some person. I always find that time period. And also the Downton Abbey's like that stuff was really stuffy, and especially that down to sheet. I watching forty five minutes to see you touch somebody's hands. I can't. I can't want a hand brush, and that's a romance the guilded Age, like the American version of Downton Abbey, which to me takes a lot out of it. It's like, but what I will say is like it's it's Julian Fellows so and like I think he got away with a lot of Downton abby because it was like very British and like therefore you didn't recognize that a lot of the writing was like really on the nose. But the writing is literally this, Hello, I'm here in the room. Now are you? Yes? I am. What should we discuss? Well, the matter at hand? Yes, of course, the matter at hand? What do you think of it? This same but a little different? Well, and this mile disagreement. I'm gonna let you know that I want to do this. Go do it and I'll see you there by. Look out the window scene it's just like so on the notes I would watch that. It's just long like it's it's HBoL Max. So it's like our plus the cast is great. Carry coon is eating it up, isn't it? Carry? Con Christine Baranski Cyndia Nick, first lady of Max. What is that about? I mean? Now that governor she's a tech of ail. Absolutely. She was like I tried, I tried to political candidate, candidate, that's how that's that my first question mark about And just like that, I'm like, yeah, but we wouldn't have this Cynthia with a governor, and so therefore do we need it? We have gotten record to say that we the finale righted so many wrongs. Did it really didn't right and actually literally right the wrong. We just enjoyed the finale, made the should be, made the whole season worth it interesting. Could not. I watched the first three episodes that I watched, Episode I Believe seven, I was living. I was living from the beginning, and I just felt like I could not. I could never get right with it. And I just felt like, if there's one thing I felt is there, like honey, time is short, I could get I could get to Cocode any day. I can't be wasting a town, and just like that, right right, and then I got I was glad when Charlotte's puffiness went down the first couple episodes, I go, what did they do to? I kind of just wish that these people who decided to book and then decided to get work right before, we'll just think about settle like you know, you know your schedule, like like get it three months before, you know what I mean, like not two weeks before. I know. Like sometimes it's just I have nothing against people doing anything they want, do whatever you want. It's just time it out right right right right right. Because she literally transformed between episodes, hadn't settled, Yeah, And I didn't realize. I was like worried because it made me very nerve because I think you would have that level of cash and fame as somebody would still do you wrong like that. I was like, my god, no one's safe, there's no immunity. For a minute, I was like, Okay, I guess it's just the process. I learned. That's just the process. Wealth does not inoculate you from shocking like this. Would you ever get anything done? I want to do? Um? I want to I want to kind of melt this off and give me an actual jaw line. You're talking about your chin, the chin neck, and like you see right here, the jaw here. Kind of kind of get that down. That's that's all. I think that as as men were interested in this area because what's so desirable is that really is that strong? Um? And so that I think is something that as we get into our thirties, like we look at more and more. And I also I look at my parents and sometimes I see that they have a little bit of that. I'm not gonna but I'm just gonna say, like, as you age, like and you see and you see people in your family get that, you think, oh, I might get that, And that's a natural part of the human aging process. But because you're in the distorted, dystopian Hollywood entertainment industry, you think you're aware of that type of thing that I definitely wouldn't be right had I been like a straight investment banker or whatever. It's funny because I saw you op posted a picture on Instagram. I don't know a couple of weeks ago that I texted you, are the smoke and mirrors working that day? Let me know, always working? But it was it was, you know, you had a picture of your nose and your nose is busted. And I remember texting you being like, are you okay? And they're like, oh, that was in the past. But my first thought, I said, to come out he didn't get a damn nose job, but not technically, but what you did. I had ad I was born with an inch long cyst and these so I don't know if you if you look at old pictures of me, I had like a red certainly like a we can say, a whole like a dimple in the middle of my nose, and it was getting to the point where it would get like infected, and so I had to say it wasn't even an elective. It wasn't really elective. No, I medically needed it. But because like insurance companies are like, oh, it's a rhino plasty, that must be an elective surgery, they did not cover it. So I paid coins what to get a rhino septo and get this inch long cyst in my nose that I was born with removed best thing I ever did, and now it's like not an issue. But I did. I can say I got work done right, right, right right, and I'm very happy that I did. And honestly, like I told him, I was like, you know, I really don't want to change the way I look. And I was like, I really like the Grescian shape of my nose, like I like it. I don't want to look different. And they were like, well, you know, the thing is like, when you have a surgery like this, you will look a little different. I was like, okay, we'll make me look better. Okay. Then I wanted to be Thunder up top and like this um but you know, it's just it is what it is. But I know guys, guys that are a little bit older than us, Like I know, we worked on a movie with someone who's thirty eight and he is incredible skin and I asked him, like, what do you do And He's like, when I was thirty one, I started getting botox preventatively. So that's something that's on My co host Megan Gaily from the I Love a Lifetime podcast, which which is so fun We didn't mentioned a couple of therapy and I but also Matt. It was so funny though because Matt like doesn't like scary and I'm like, okay, Lifetime it's thrillers only, honey. And when this one comes on and it's like, I was terrified. I was watching my laptop. What was what was it called Psychogranny? I watched the movie called Psychogranny about Lifetime is horror now it's it's thriller, thriller, chiller, thriller Chiller tell that okay, but and it was. But she's been doing botox for forever, and I'm I thinks I'm too much of a pessimist, Like I'm always just afraid of something going wrong. I know, I get it, you know, but it's not that I don't think like, yeah, I'm just always like, oh lord, what do they leave something in me? And next think when you when you think about it not as not as botox, but as botulism toxin scary. I mean it's like then it's like, oh God, that sounds like it could go wrong. And also you want the person that's doing it to be good. But you can find those person that those people you just have to pay for it and look for it and take time to like figure out wather gay from. But I guess what you're saying is that with the Kristen Davis of it all, it's like it's hard to you're you're you're there's no escaping rough work. Some rough yeah, like some rough times. Now because you said you got that done. You know your schedule, you planned it, your timing shot the pilot of of I Love That for you last March, and it was such a pain in the ask putting makeup on my nose, and it was such a thing, like I was taking so long on the chair because as a result of it, my nose was irritated. It was painful, and so I was like, I'm not putting myself through this or a makeup department through this. Again. I was pretty confident to get picked up. So I was like, let's fucking this. So I got get this the doctor who put Mary Joe but A Fuko's face back together after the Long Island Lolita Amy Fisher herself shot her in the face. I got him to put my nose back on. How did you Okay? I did not even think he'd be a veil around but like you know what I mean, Like you'd be like, okay, I can see you in four years, do you know what I mean? That kind of guys in Beverly Hills. And I was like, I was like, let's go. And I got an amazing germansologist that recommended him to me. Went did it? It was done well? But after the surgery he did tell me he's like, it was a really hard surgery. He was like, he was like, I'm really happy you came to me. And I was like, okay, but honestly, like after some like scar treatments, like it looks yeah good yeah, and I also don't look different. Right. You feel lucky. I feel so lucky, but also you deserve improved and also not for nothing, but they did a Scepto plastic two, so my breathing looks better. Helped breathing because everyone's got that little deviation. Of course, what would you get done? Have you had anything done? I haven't had anything done. I do. It's son you were talking about like draw like I'm noticing, and it's funny that dang half out everybody. Also, I had to look at like four edits, you know, I mean studying yourself and I said, is it's too I mean, we just watched ourselves in a thing and it's we had were in crisis. We're in crisis. And then meanwhile it's like I'm hearing you say this, and I'm like, you looked fucking stunned. And I didn't know, you know, I was terrible first of all, to you a straight white man. Did my makeup? No? And I do that, you know what I mean? Some of the stuff I'm like, is this non? Where is he this was in New York and a white woman did my hair. And when I say, what, this is gonna live online forever in eighty countries, and you got these occasions touch in my face. Yeah, but you looked great. You looked really good. It worked itself out. But part of what we didn't you some of that second set is because between the taping and there's like no time because I was like last on the first show, first on the second show, how many how many of you guys because they know that they got and Dusty Slay three oh yeah, and so so between there's like not much time. Certainly I worked up a sweat, you know, I like to be very active, and so then he just sort of like shelacked on this much lighter stuff and so like whenever the camera's like punching in washed the fun out. I was looking like yeah I was. It was just like and also like cool, it wasn't even warm. I will definitely show you photo. I will show you some of the original promo pictures. Right, I go, can you please make me look my skin colors? And then I'd like send them pictures of my actual I was like, here's where I was looking good and I was like, can you match that? Um, and so it was like, oh, good lord. But I just remember just you know, when you look at yourself and she's like okay, and you have to just freaking let go nothing I can know about what somebody's gonna think. And we were like, no one is thinking about those little things as much as you are. So that's another psychological to go over, especially when you're tall and when you're on camera looking down at people a lot, like when you look down and like this happens, like for example, in the show I'm shooting now, like I'm taller than all these ladies, so I'm looking down at them like this, and it's just I know, the chin be chinning. But also like I was not somebody you know, I will do whatever to get the laugh. I'm not necessarily trying to look cute when I'm on stage, right, so I will into something. But then when you see it kind of bigger, it's like, babe, girl, you damn. But like in the moments, like of course, like that was fun for me to do, and then it was just funny when they were like, okay, you have some promotional photos. I was like, regectgect reject in the moment it works, Yeah, you just take a step. It's upset. That's another thing with live performances, like you figure out your little little tricks that work, like like you're a little kind of shifts and moments that work, like you know, you're little things, and then you look at them on camera and you're like, oh, and you got my trick and trick is ugly and you got You got to learn to not hate the skills photographer. It's not it's not it's not their fault. It's God's faults. Are they you know, they happen to press the shutter at the at the weird at the wrong time. Look, I'm a mover. It's hard for them the right and so a lot of you know, when you have a lot of comics who do kind of just stand in place, it's really easy to just get them being killed. Whereas Henny, I'm using the space, you're filling the negative space. And yes, thank you connectic, connectic, kinesthetic and the suit. We have to shout out the Susan Alexandra bag Oh absolutely shout out Sydney Washington for making that connection for me, like two days before the tacause I'm like, I love her bag. And then she was like, Susan Alexandra, here's her here's her number. And I was like, oh my gosh, she gave me back. And I lived, you know, because I love to bring my bag on stage because I don't trust people, but I knew it to be special and I didn't want to do it to start and and I couldn't figure out how to start to set. And then I was just like, but every time I bring the bag, it just kind of loosens up the room. Yeah, but I was like solid bit to start out on, and we have those little things it's like, and they're tried, and I never I never fault uh someone who have seen do this similarly structured set multiple times. I never fought them for doing the same ten poles like start, midpoint, finish, like if they're all like consistent, I'm like, yes, that works on a structural level. But I wasn't sure because right, of course you could do it when like we're performing in some Drinkie Balls theater. But I was like, this is a taping. You know, my bag is actually safe somewhere. But I was like, well, who really knows. We're in times Square. I was like, I just gonna have it, and I didn't have my phone in there. I had my room key and I had oh my god, you get Yeah, of course you guys give up your apartment in New York, right that was your mom's place. Yes, yes, she's still there. Yeah, but we were like, you know, it's for the taping and everything. We were at the hotel they were taping up because we had to do all this, you know, running back and forth. Did Mom come to one of the shows and and Mama, she always his notes and after the seven though, she came to this early show and she texted me, she goes, Naomi, I haven't laughed so hard? That was that was great? No, no, And she usually has one notes and are do you get them? Are you kind of like, Mom, man, we don't need this. We don't need those notes, do you know what I mean? It's already been done, the show's been. I don't need to telling me has should warn something else? The shows been that kind of stuff, And so it's like mom notes about this joke, but even that is a mom version. She was like, do you have to say that? You know? Parental notes and my experience as well I've always been about my appearance and not even my appearance or my dad will always be like on Sundays will be like, wow, I loved how you played a news reporter. I loved how you looked like a normal person. And I'm like, Okay, I understand what you're saying, like that it wasn't like a total fucking faggot on TV and you're happy about that, and I and you know what, like that's what the that's what the parental feedback usually ends up being for me. Parental feeds. I have to say, I'm pretty lucky with this. My parents kind of my parents kind of getting and I think I think that they they've kind of, like, um, seen me do a lot on like they were coming to like my sketch comedy shows in college where it was like all the humor was basically sex, so you know what I mean like that, so they've kind of seen the whole thing. I think that now that it's become sort of more personality driven, my dad says things like it's great to be a fly on the wall, like my dad. My dad really likes the episodes of this podcast where it's like he loves the study episodes because it's just like he and sometimes I have to remind myself that he's listening to It was like, and I don't I never do why, like when it's just here because we pop off or whatever. But I think there is something about um parents getting to genuinely actually get to know their kids and their work because I'm not going to go home and with my mom and dad be like, well, it's been tough with me bottoming recently, because you know what I mean. Whereas where I'm with him, it's kind of just like, you know, I say these things because that's how I feel and it is part of my comedy, part of my experience. But um, I would I don't think at this point anything would surprise them, and I don't think they feel like it's not like it maybe was in the beginning where they're like maybe this or maybe that. Like I think they know that I know what's up right? Does mom listen to your podcast? No? But Uncle Fred does, and Uncle Brand will be commenting. I was like, you're very active on Instagram Uncle for you, I don't, I'm not ready, but it is. And then I'll be talking to a pout and then I'm like oh my god, uncle Fred, I'll remember because and but it's just funny because he's never said anything to me like it's in common on stuff. He's never like written me, you know, a message, or been like yah, man, I'm worried he just but he doesn't. But I have to remember that. But it's just so funny. I'm pretty glad that she doesn't. She hasn't really done a deep dive on podcasts as a concept. I will not encourage it. I will not tell her how. I just said, you know what, just know they happen. She did listen to Lifetime. She was like, oh, I like the beginning, which means she only heard the intro right, yes, yes, she was like this sounds fun um And so I was like, great, you know, I'm not I'm not gonna let It took me so long just to let her come see me perform. We can't. It's like can you have? Can you have anything? That's the thing. You've got to draw these lines, you know, the public, the private or not even just private. As much as you know you and your parents, Matt y'all are like hanging out golfing, loving each other in Disney World. You know what I mean, and there's like an ease there, whereas I think I am still very much controlling the narrative and yeah, recalibrating the distance and not not in not in like a a dysfunctional way. I'm sorry, but you know what I mean. Like that's that's why I feel like I to be honest, I feel like I do that a lot um and it's okay. And I think my parents understand that, and it's it's fine because there's been a lot of pain in the journey towards me, like doing what I do right right, so it should a lot of it is sacred to me. And also I feel like now they understand it because it's so objective your success. Yes, you know what I mean, like it, Whereas like I think it was kind of a morphous to them before because they didn't understand what like where I would end up, right, yeah, and now that it's like and they didn't even really know what Saturday Night Live was, right but then it but then it ended up being like a thing like sitting in like you know, an uber and having your driver be like what have you what have you done? And you can say like Netflix, and like it took like other people to tell my parents so well, that came in to my mom too. I remember when I first started writing on Broad City and again and even Common Central, like Mama, she's like, she has a whip series. And then she was at work and there was a young a young lawyer in the in the elevator and like one of my mom's friends is like, you know house Naomi. She's like, oh, she's good, she's on she's working on this thing called broad City. And then the lawyer young ladies like and then my mom came home and was like, what is this broad say, yeah, it's like it's been two years, but it's true. It's like you have to hear from other people to kind of understand where it stands. Well, it's so fascinating now too, because we are so far away from the monoculture. Then unless it's like yellow Stone, which my parents do watch, not everyone knows it, like I wrote for the other two, which is like a huge show within the gay community with the comedy community. But then and No Shade. But like you talk to people who are like my parents and they don't know what the funk that is like, but it means everything to people that live in New York in l A and like huge and like, oh my god, love that show. Whatever. People don't know what that is, people don't know what Q force it? Right, I know, I love it. Oh while I have you here? Were you also singing giving me the falsetto of the Little Boy from Geno? Thank you? I thought, so, I said, that's Matt's falsetto. And then it's such a fun line where he goes, can I kill him? He's a threat to me? And so I just like it was you. You know when people tell me that they liked you for us, I was so very I wasn't. I wasn't. Like a friend's birthday party recently in a couple of days came over and they were like, I just and on set this the second idea came over and she was like I had just found out something. And then she's like your twink And I was like I am and I came out of her mouth and I was like, she's like, you're a twink. I thought I heard that your twink? Twink? I was like, I was like and I was like not for like nine years like this, but like it's it's interesting because like my parents only know what the should I work on is is because I tell them because I'm not working on and even the network shows like Our, people don't know that, you know what. I looks so excited to see succeed is like that is so great. And also to see Janelle on it, and like that feels she's so funny. It feels just like our and I don't know Quinta, but like I do know Janelle a little bit, like but I know that people know them around and to see that cross over and to see her be like the star of that show and like it be a mainstream success and people really like it, Like that's very rare. Yes, it's a great premise for a comedy to where it's like and it feels very oft the time, where it's like, oh, these teachers are like underresourced and like they're gonna make it work themselves. Like that's the thing is. It's like you you think, like situation comedy in an elementary school or whatever it is like in the public school is going to be like, oh, we've seen it, but then there is that very specific angle of the underfunded, underresourced thing and it's like makes it timely without feeling beating you over the heaven and I'm just excited to to you because there is success in the industry in terms of, yes, I got something made, and then there's real success in terms of, like I got a network thing. I made it people either like someone recognized the talent or like the goods. That's one success I made. The thing that's another success people know it exists is the third success. You know, like they're the different ways and you have to sometimes just you know exactly. The Quintin thing is so cool because, um, I think that the right up in Vulture was that, like I think they did a profile on her where they were like she like kind of like for her to like make a network comedy sort of like pop off this way is like yeah, pretty great, Yeah, especially because not often do they succeed because there's so many I mean, think about how hard it is. Well, she and I we're developing both ABC at the same time, and so yeah, that this particularly, I think that time in that cycle where it was like and also to a kind of overlapped in the pandemic started because first like we like you, but now we want you to backup script. Okay, now it's like a boom and all that kind of stuff, and so you know, just to get through all of that and also for nobody over there to give up on her, you know, to be like, let's make this, let's do this. Do you know? That's like, I mean, blessings all around, but you gotta you gotta run your own room soon. And it's it's talent you don't know in the room though Okay I didn't. Okay, see, I just assumed for whatever reason, just because you've been in you've you've done the job so well for so long that like maybe you would want to level up and do it. But if you just want to be talent, god bless. Like I'd love to write it, but you know what it is actually when I see what performer showrunners have done, you know, working on difficult people for instance, obviously Broad City and like and again that's a little different because LEAs they right and then shoot, but sometimes that overlaps and it's like, honestly, do not care what color tie the extra is wearing, right, but the showrunner needs to having a page and everyone the very least someone's gonna ask for it. I don't even like when people behind me and mine or like let alone if a bunch of people are waiting for my opinion on something for it to begin. It's especially when you are like I see Vanessa do it like she's the star of the show. She like created the show, she like is an EP on the show. She does all these things and like the first episode, and it's just it's so much work and the only like I think about this, Like I think about, like what would it be like, you know, for us to have our own show, And it's like you really have to fall in love with the idea because you have it has to be your life. Like that's the thing is. It's like when we talk about like making a show or like what I think, I think about what I want that to be, It's like I have to really wait to make sure that it's the right thing, saying the right thing with the right people in the right way, because you have to be a hundred percent on board because it is a hud of your energy. It is so hard to be that person, I mean eighty with shrill and still has such a sunny disposition. I know, and I cry if I think too much about it. How is that possible? Honestly superhuman. Okay, the fact that you can already like draw that boundary within yourself is huge and like will mean good things. And then if you just want to be talent for now, then yes, oh my god, please just like well, I feel like I feel like we're like encouraged to want to be but we're also okay because I I secretly want that too, I think, And it's been I haven't really been able to say that, don't be talent. I'm obsessed with being talented. Honestly, thank you, because here's the thing. And also I'm happy to write. But also, but here's the other thing I will say. And again, I hope I'm not sound like I'm preaching on you. No, no, no, no, no. I think the thing is we're in a business, you know where we are creative and there is a very big difference between a creative voice and a managerial voice, knowing how to delegate, know on how to communicate you. And I would say you right now if I'm your Boston probably crowned in the bathroom, and we just don't need it. We need someone professional, we need someone focused, We need someone not emotionally attached to this and you know what you know, because like if I'm doing something and then you're like it's gonna work, I'm like this is who. Yeah, I've almost I've almost cried like several times over nothing, and I'm like and I'm number six, but like I walk away from a take and I'm like, I hope we got it, and the tears come to my eyes and I'm like, thank god, I'm not more invested in something because I would be a wreck. Like you have to like actually like look at yourself and be like maybe like right now where I'm at, like it is better for me to just soak up and sponge and like learn, like you know, it's it's it's all a process, you know. Not everyone is fucking and who knows if she even really was ready Like Lena Dunn, I'm ready to run and create her show and start at two or three, like you know what I mean, Like you think because these things are done, that they're possible, that they are the standards right, and they're not. They're not. They're not. There's something I love about I think part what I love about, like, for instance, being on a set is the feeling of being a cog and wheel, not in a bad way. But there's something when you are standing on a set and you look out and it's like sixty up, hand, make it happen. Lift and ship, got the cargo shorts full of stuff and all the pole you realize my job is to stand here and make it easy for you. Yes, And that is such in a way, the simplicity of that is very sounding to me. Yes, I like that way more than like, you know, if everyone comes, he's like, what do you think, what do you feel? What do you want? What do you you know? Then you get you start to fatigue, and also you just believe your own hyping. You start to think you are the center of the universe. You can and that that's so funny because like at the end of the day of the other day, like we were leaving the end of the day and like a sound guy came over and he was like, hey, thanks for today, and I was like, thank you. And it's like because we both did it, you know what I mean, Like just because you're appearing on camera, you literally you have to all work together and it is a team. And that's why, like you know, you never That's why I like that. Like the Ayazi stuff, is like you have to support with all your because it just doesn't happen without every single person and you never understand that more with them when you're on a set and like that community is being built and it's just it's really I don't know, I'm like, it's been really learning experience and great and it's just so hard to do certain big tasks at the job like that, and I have more than one hat. Yes, definitely, definitely. I was watching um, don't ask why, a bunch of Julia Roberts interviews from the last three years. No, I'm sorry, I have to ask what because I'm I think I'm like newly, I'm like, I'm obsessed with her once again in my life. You read that read that piece about that that piece again in Vulture about um what it was about how um she really wanted to lean into being this unlikable protagonist and my best friend's wedding she wanted to sort of like Sully. Her image is this like good girl rom Colm Lyad only nineties but anyway, and then it just like let me down down this path of just watching a bunch of videos and like, you know this is so I know this is gonna sound so stupid, but it's stuck with me where she um They asked her what's like an essential you need on set? Like what's the thing that you need on set? And like they're probably asking her like, oh, fucking Jade, like they want to answer out of her like a Jade ruler or something, you know, like a snack. But then she just goes no, honestly, like camaraderie, like this sense that like we're all doing this together. And I'm like, oh, she's been doing this for so long. That's that's probably she's lead with For her. She literally married a cameraman. It's so hot and they're always the hottest people on the set. Yeah, He's like, what crew guys are hot? Oh my god, I know they can always get And I said, I was like a man in a cargo shirt with a little bit of a stubble Kelston, I'm really into it. The lesbian cargo short energy on on a set is so so hot to me. I will anyone in a cargo short, if they're on a movie set or films a TV set, I will explore the idea of sex with Internally it's going down, going down inside, Yeah, it's going down inside, going down inside. That's what it is. That's what sex is, actually sex, it's going down inside, going down inside. That's a real culture. It's really culture number seventy. That's what sex is. Actually it's going down inside. Well, I think it's time. I think it might be the time for I don't think so, honey, Which is an iconic segment i'd say in podcast history, and only very few podcasts have really had a segment that has really been so impactful in the culture that people have written articles about it, you know, like people talk about people talk and it's our want of men to section where we run against something in pop culture and we go absolutely off on it until it's dragged in the mud and doesn't show itself in pop culture public again again, Okay, I'm ready you this Matt Rogers has something? Yeah, is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time starts now, I don't think so. Harlie Charlie Pooth given me a boner. How come you're so hot, Charlie Pooth? It looks like you sort of barely try and I in the best way you are that like naturally hot little boy, and I feel like you're so talented and when you flow up on Instagram a little super cut of you writing a hits fucking song when it's like today, I wanted to write a song about this, and he's like, dude, dodd, dude, and I figured maybe it could be And he's just putting it together and he like, well, we're like a little tank top or like just be fully shirtless, like he's a little tease boy. And I'm like, why are you doing this? I don't think so, honey, because here's the deal. Then I go on your Spotify and I'm looking through the songs and I'm not like in love with any of the songs in love with you? You know what. They're all like A minus. I don't have my A plus Charlie Pooth pooth pooth, but it's making my pooth be wet. And here's the thing, he can have my boothy. And even though I hate that word, Charlie Pooth, I'm literally so sexually attracted to him, and it's so effortless, a little cut in his eyebrow, Like what the fuck? I never thought i'd be a poother, but I'm poother, I think. And that's one minute you need to listen to empty Cops. You need to listen to how how long you need to listen to girlfriend? Obviously there the hits are there. You know what song like, um uh how long? Then go yeah? I mean he's he's so good and then sometimes he'll like literally throw together like kidding me. He's like it's so hot and sexy. How genius he is and he's so hot, and I get the feeling that he's one of those straight guys that you'd meet that you'd be in love with, but he a little bit don't you give energy? Because he is to me and like, oh, I see what you're saying, like as a gay man, like he's telling the line with you. I think that kind of boy where it's like I could I went to Wesleyan, which was very like artsy for like hippie dippy at the time, and I see him he up with you at four in number one and playing acoustic guitar, and You're like, are gonna hook up or what? He's just like kind of being close, he's gonna cuddle you all night, infuriate and then you like, don't hear from him again? Do you know what I mean? That kind of feeling you would have rather had sex with him, but he's like it's also like he's almost just like playing it closeness without actually having to be close. It's just's he posted this photo of him on a massage table and like the towel was like you could see like top but and I was like, you know exactly what you're doing, and fuck you because it works. It's like retail therapy and works. Just it just works. And the thing is like you get the sense that like he trying to stumbled into being this hot, figured out he was and was like hell yeah. But it's interesting because I also feel like he probably he he knew he was cute when he was young, and obviously there's like a touch, right because wasn't he someone who made his own songs? And then right, and so it's like so you already know when you're a YouTube boy, you know that like the people are liking what they're seeing. But then you get to the point where like people are literally crying when they look at you top. But to the thing too, though, is he as he's getting older, he's actually getting hotter, whereas like I used to think she's getting yeah, a little little little grizzle, which is kind of kind of really even hotter. He's not cleaning it up, he's kind of dressing it down. And I also love and I say this with all love and respect, but it looks like he's not in the fucking gym every single day, like only caring about that. He's like that natural hotness where I'm just like sometimes when I see these guys like that, maybe I would have thought was hot when I was like twelve, like Mark Wahlberg like made a muscle and like, you know, I did a motion picture with him and we had to hold hands for an entire day. How it was okay, it felt very strange and like very you know, it's just like what am I doing here? And then I had it was like the second day and maybe to hold it. That is, he's very like very like kind of chill person. But then as soon as it's time for him to do, he just does what he has to do and the cameras off and then he's like all right, he's managing his energy. He's like a typical like person of like when we were younger, it was like this is who's hot? And I was like, yeah, you're right, And I was used to be horned up for that. But nowadays it's kind of like, I don't know, like someone looks like they're like less, they don't look like yeah, like they don't. You don't want to make it. You don't want to see that. It's a lot of work and who's just naturally living their life as opposed to someone who you see and you're like, Okay, I know there's no carbohydrates. A lout in his house. Yeah, you know that gets a little sweaty for me. I'm just like, I don't know. Maybe it's also a thing of like I wouldn't know what to do with all that, you know what I mean, Like I I still will stumble across the market mark pick within the Calvin I mean, you're a human gay man. So it's like, I'm like, how did this person like this? It's shocked, crazy and smiling and this big old thighs like I mean, like it's crazy. I mean, it's fully insane, Like I don't I also think Calvin Klein adds are like a heterosexual weapon of war towards gay men to slow us death. But now they want us to be slow, but they want us jack it off at home. So we're tired off our game. I think it's a long game term by the heterosexual. But now Calvinklinn I think is really like embracing their queer and in a very authentic way. I truly believe this. Like Calvin Klein is like he's trying to get he's trying to no, no, no, because you're going to do I didn't think that this summer, but I know. I literally they just had me host their like live show at Pride and it was it was kind of great to see. I was like, oh that the people here like internally like like care I Calvin Klein carts actually like Calvin cares they do. I want to wow you joking about And the fact is I'll get in the gym for six months to be in an AT. I'm not. I wasn't in an AD. I'm not even saying I was in I'm saying I'm saying. I'm saying for me, the goal, the goal would be in an ad fine throwing me the money and the attention. I thought about the ads. For me, it's about the the sort of inclusivity, not even the inclusivity, it's just like because that feels too like buzzworthy I feel like they really have always been about I don't know, the queers. It doesn't matter where we're cutting this out. You know, we have to teach you because we love you. But I think, but I believe that maybe I don't think they knew what they were doing initially when they just when they discovered what it was, they embraced it and they did a better job of it than most of these fucking companies that there was. There was a UM. There was a like season where they had Kellen Lutts and the Cod Brooks from True Blood and it was the who the whole thing was it? It was called it was it was Calvin Klein X and it was like literally it was macd it was Kellen Lutts, and there was Um an Asian guy and the Latino and they racism with it because I was jacking off to all four and so basically like UM. But literally the campaign was like you want to see my ship and it was just them to them talking ship to camera and it was Calvin klent X like mark your Spot. That was the campaign. It was like I'm Google it woo, It's like mark your spot because it was like X like on the on the band. He's like, you want to see my ship, like talking about their cocks, like I know you want to see it, and like all four of them were like talking to the camera and I'm like spinning outcoming. This is how you know that I'm not like purely shilling for Calvin Klein, is that you want to see my ship and then mark the spot. I think pooh. Well, I wasn't thinking of pooh at the time. I was thinking of like this. Oh that's what he was thinking, Like, well, I'm telling you, what was your anything? So honey, I don't think so, honey, was Charlie Charlie? Yeah? Great, okay, so now I think you do Okay, alright, so this will be a moment in time. Um bone yang, I don't think so honey. Time starts now. I don't think so honey. Cars that don't have a car play, okay. I need my phone io s e Gooes system around me at all times, especially when I'm driving down these streets of Los Angeles. I want to be able to tap my little messages icon and see what people are texting me as if it was my phone. I want to be I don't want to be a wide screen I want to see different panels Google Maps on one, Spotify on the other. Second. Who knows, maybe uh um overcast on another podcast staff listen. I am having the worst time driving around this little rental coroller around Los Angeles right now because seconds they don't have car Play and I am taken out of the ecosystem. Yeah, that's right. I'm a little Apple boy and I need my products and car Play one of the best Apple products ever made. I don't think so many cars that don't have car Play, and that's what I meant it. It's so funny because when I first moved to l A, I said to myself, I was like, I can't have every one of my I don't think so Honey's now be car related. He's in l A for days and it's like no car play. I was actually just gonna ask if you m mc an event hosted by Apple car Play. I did a pride event for Apple car Player. I think they've always they've been very authentic about career people using car play, such as myself. But here's the thing. I I used car Play and then you're at the whim of WiFi and it can get shitty because when you're needing to plug in an address and your WiFi or a car play acts up and you're on the four or five or the or the one on one. It's like and you're haven't to negotiate that or else, or you're gonna miss your exit and you're on the freeway like you know, it's trick, it's treacherous. Teller. Well, you know I don't drive. So everything you're telling me is it looks like part of why I don't. It's too much, too much. You want me to look at the map and you want me to drive. Who do you think I am? No, of course. And then now you got me going to the damn target and Burbank buying a pop socket holder yep for the car vents ye. And now it just feels too it's a lot. I don't have the confidence necessary. Now I'm gonna tell you right now what No, nothing, nothing, I got to I don't think. So, Honey's in my head, I see, and I just I'm like, maybe we have to like flip a coin. You alluded to one of the topics I know, and then the other one is more is much more general. Okay, So here's what I'd say I would say, if it's going to influence you, and just like that has taken up a ton of space on this podcast, and I know you came in with this. I don't think so, Hunt. We can still discuss it, and it can be discussed, and I'm also open. Are you doing both? I think because you've put a lot of time and didn't just like that, are you gonna say that too, that you spent a lot of time and just like that, I was gonna say that you have earned the rights to do both if you would like, Wow, that's gorgeous, So you can do both. And I'm but I'm telling you, if it feels like righting your spirits, only pick one personally. And I would never be like, whatever you want, I'm gonna actually give you my opinion. We've talked about it. Just like that. I've just I've decided, Okay, okay, I've decided to me, this is Naomi and Pegans. I don't think so, honey, her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Restaurants with small plate, small place as the meal, how dare you the fact is maybe charging so much for a small play You're like, Okay, that's entree and it shows up and it's like four scallops. Honey. I don't think so, honey, made for sharing. Honey, we had a PANDEMI I don't know you, and you don't know my hung below. I don't think so, honey. We do things differently at this restaurant. I don't want different I want to give you money in exchange for food, and I wanted to be enough food that I walk out feeling like I'm by throw up. Yes, that's how I choose to eat when I'm out in these streets. I don't think so, hendy. You know what I would suggest, like four little plates per person and that how dare you you? I got to cobble together all four food groups from five different plates, I got to pick up. How dare you I just put it all on one plate. We need to get them goddamn kindergarten plates back. When you put a vegetable in one hole, you put another hole, You've put the car of another hole, and then one minute I would say, I'm happy I steered you that in one hole. You know I want the plates, those plates back to I don't care how juvenile that makes me sound. I want the plates like that. I'm sick of l A loves a small plate. They love everything, honeyway in in space that with the top. We just went across the street to Danny's Trey Host Tacos. And here's the thing, the small plates. And obviously you order the tacos and they're delicious and they're amazing, but this is a read on me there and they're therefore on small plates. I never know how many is to So what I what had just happened was we went over there and I ordered to Baha Baha fish tacos them two black and salmon tacos, and it was too much food. It was too much topic. And I think I should have ordered too, and had the glock that we have, I would have been okay and fine, right right. Small plates gets you to overorder, that's exactly what they want. But and also too, I think small plates encourages all this like sharing, and I really don't like sharing, especially away from my fo, I know, especially now, but even like it's any like even Andy and I, you know, been together, damn you twelve years, and it'll be like okay, but like can I have something? I'm like you should get your yeah, like we're out and they're hungry, like I'm not a good share It's not he doesn't like that about me. Do you like, are you a big Like yeah, like take a little bite. I will always offered bites to people. I like sometimes I like trying to prove nothing. I'm offering bite. I'm not trying to prove anything. I don't mother Teresa, but I want to. I want a ban barter system, not a barter system. I just go mad, ordered something delicious, try a little bite, and he always just shoots me the darkest. Where were you the day when you were like you're like you said something like, hey, can I have a little bit of that? And I was like, yeah, I don't remember, but you remember it was Mexico City, Mexico City. I was like, hey, how is some't that? You were like yeah, I understand because you had to assess. You were like, okay, do I want him in my play? If he takes something? Will I be secretly mad? Later I get it, I get I'm a completion with my meals, but I feel like I didn't have it if I didn't have all of it, Like even if i'm I'll eat the whole thing, like I don't like to take things home. I like to finish it. So that and so today was frustrating for me for that reason because I left a lot of what was not me, which I hate. But also it's like, usually when I'm ordering on a menu, there are like four things I want. So when I picked the one thing, that means I picked it, and I chose it and I committed to it. Okay, so that's mine. Yes, you have the same time and same choices, right, you know what I will do to where it's like, oh, you want to try some this. We each get our own main and we'll pick something that we can share, meaning like a third Yes I did say a third entree for two people, and then you can each have a little bity. But that's sensible, okay, but you can't come up in my plate. What you know what else? I don't like My mother does this, and this is really stupid and counterintuitive. But I'll have my meal, she'll have hers, and she doesn't want to eat all her food, so she'll be like, here, Matt, I want you to have my mom. I said thank you. We've got two fights about it. Said thank you. She's like, just try it. I want you to have it. No, Mom, I have my own thing. You have it. Then it's on my plate and put it on like stop, I'm like, and then I have it and it's good. But that's not the point. I just I said, no, imagine imagine your mom doing that, but not even saying, here, have something. My mom wordlessly puts starts to scoop her food into mine and I don't, Mom, stop it. We don't, and me and my sister and yelled her. And she's gotten upset because she's like, I'm being attacked. No, Mom, we are telling you, but then you feel crazy because you're right. We do. We do this every year once a year. She gets upset that we we it's part. It's exactly like an adult. And I said, no respect. My bounces yea. And I'm not snapping. I'm just like, no, thank you, I'm having my thing. Well, it's really good. I don't doubt that. I just have this because then, like I said, as a completionist, with food, I'll finish everything and once it's on my plate, I feel like I must eat it assignment. And also with appetizers, they'll be like Matt finished that. I'm like, but I wait, enjoyed my meal, and then they'll say, no, we're not gonna eat it. You have to eat it. And now all of a sudden, it's is in position because if it doesn't get eating, it's my faults. Why is it on you? Because I think they look at me like a thirty one year old man who's still like a sixteen year old man, like, well, he's a growing boy, and our son and our daughter is not gonna eat it. I used to always say that when I was younger. I always say I'm a growing boy because you never heard the phrase she's a growing girl eat a lot. I'm a growing boy because I've always had a very big appetite. And I said, I'm a growing boy. Now do you want to have a platform to talk about Steve? And just like that, yeah, please share, okay, just really quickly. I just don't appreciate the way they did Steve dirty on it just like that, Okay, especially given you know the canon, Okay, the history of this show. She all, she put him through it for sleeping with someone else. We've also already seen the story of Steve and I don't have sex, so why that was even the story? Also, why did you have to make his entire character Steve can't hear. That was like his whole characters. Just like what and I said, y'all did his ass wrong? You had him meeting you on the Brooklyn Bridge. First of all, making anyone go to Brooklyn is just you're speaking. Yes, I guess from what I hear, David, I give himself pitched the Steve can't hear. You treat him like just talent exactly he did. Yes, I did hear. But also, honey, it's called a shade. It's not the entire drawing. Okay, gave me some nuance. Did you see the episode where he was flopping around that farmer's market. Yes, that's what I seen in that episode. I wouldn't watched more either. It was that made me so mad, And I was like, and he is I just like Steve. It's just like a good man who been out here trying his best. And like Audo, like he's so hot, you know, you know I love an honest, petite man. Yes, And I don't know like they did him so wrong. I just felt, like Miranda, what they tried to They tried to play the audience by making us think he forgot how to finger her. I mean also, I'm sorry. They also wanted me to think that it was not attractive because you know that in the kitchen and he's like what and then he like goes to wash his hands, and you can tell that Miranda's like, make it sexy. I said, absolutely not. If there's anything I love after three years of co but it's hand hygiene. I want you taking the full twenty seconds. You're gonna go into a mucous membrane of mine ingers. It's a east In fact. When it to happen, I was like, there's nothing hotter than a hand washed me. And they tried to make it seem like and then she gave him all of like twelve seconds and I was like, forget it. And I just said, well, cha fingers me with weed resident on their fingers. Disgusting. Oh god, don't you hate that? For a lot of people, Cha Diaz is their introduction to stand up comedy, where people who think that like that's what comedy is, change involve gros when's your next comedy concert? I have a huge comedy concert happening. It's also a pilot and it's uh and I'm throwing a big party about it. What I have a rehearsed music number. You should come. It's in the basement of Bowery ball Room. I couldn't believe it was mcgreet surreal. It was mgreat surreal to watch what happened. Oh my god, I am not a pipe but peep. What I think is they need to bring Steve back for the second season, and Miranda needs to be having a tough time with Chay, and then Steve is there because I don't know, like they have like a thing to go to with their son. And Steve brings his smoke show Hot New Girlfriends played by Naomi and there they are extended the talent, extended sex scenes where he's playing the pipe. Thank you. That would be the dream. And I would say, who, how did I get you on sale? You know what I mean? You get you getting him on the rack? And I just said, you know what you are. All of a sudden, he's flew into sex again. He forgot like it was speaking Spanish. He was like, oh, I forgot that, And like he's like acting like his fingers didn't he hasn't used them in years. He forgot had a finger forgot. He did not forget she didn't give him time to figure out what was what. Pull your panties down, Pull your pants down. You just gonna tell me to put a hand in the front, and I'm just gonna know where everything is. That ain't how word no, And of course it's gonna be on sexy. You just did the dishes. Also enough for another Miranda. Maybe it's you, Okay, you suck, thank you for Miranda, Okay, whatever. They deserve each other's like you d m me three months ago, I don't drink my d you got a gm me again. Miranda is nasty. She thinks she's always right. She's annoying. What a fall true fall? Well, I mean whatever we can. We can talk about this all night. But you know something about the rational viewers character blowing up her life like this is sort of I don't know, a big, big swing. That is as big a swing as killing off big which you which you have to respect. I mean, if they were going to come back, I guess they had to do a lot with it, and they certainly didn't. Like we said, it was a perfect season of television and we highly await, anticipate the second season to the finale was the finale is gonna. It's gonna leave you in a good mood. You're gonna you're gonna love the way you look. You guarantee it, guarantee it. Listen. This was again a perfect episode. And Netflix is on. Namick Paragon is here and she was um an absolute joy to have as always, And this is your third time, and this makes you a legend. This makes me a triple threat, actually three last. We actually have an announcement, Naomi. We would like to give you an award. It's a prestigious Last Culturess Award and it's the Last Culture That's Icon Award. Past recipients have included Hot Reagan and he's only and now now you you are in the Hall of Fame that is, that's only the only hall of fame I want to be in. Thank you so much, And it's just been an honor to grow with you. Thank you. You're you're actually now ineligible for all other hall of fames. So it's good that you said that. Okay, well exactly, Thank goodness, Thank goodness, it all works out. Remember that time I texted you, Matt and said I want to win whatever like you were doing, like a top or like something like one of the list, right, I want to win. Put me on the list. The Cultural Awards came out and she said, I want to win, and you have to reward that. Well, they're canceled. That's not how it works. I said, that's actually not how it works. But I'm sure they're canceled. But you have an Icon Award now and then maybe we'll print something out for you like a certificate. Maybe we won't, but either way, you stand by, stand by. Well, this was a perfect episode, like we said, what a what an incredible time, and we end every episode with the song. Sometimes I run, sometimes I hide, sometimes I'm scared and I really want. It's to hold you down. Will you did baby early this time? Bye?