Look, oh, I see you my own look over there is that culture? Yes, goodness lost culture dang Joon lost Culturista's calling Bowen and I are in conflict or not tag shall even though we could be no, please, I can't say you try. How are you feeling after the super Bowl? Well?

Look, oh, I see you my own look over there is that culture? Yes, goodness lost culture dang Joon lost Culturista's calling Bowen and I are in conflict or not tag shall even though we could be no, please, I can't say you try. How are you feeling after the super Bowl? Well?

I missed a lot of it, but I am a little bit rattled. Honestly.

I missed a lot of it, but I am a little bit rattled. Honestly.

Why what happened that rattled you? It's crazy.

Why what happened that rattled you? It's crazy.

I'm not to talk politics, but it's crazy that like our president is going after yet another pop star.

I'm not to talk politics, but it's crazy that like our president is going after yet another pop star.

He loves it. He loves to, of course with pop stars and awards bodies, like I said, as if they're individuals, and he gets off on it. So how many times is he tweeted about Taylor get a lat I'm not keeping track of it on Twitter or on truth.

He loves it. He loves to, of course with pop stars and awards bodies, like I said, as if they're individuals, and he gets off on it. So how many times is he tweeted about Taylor get a lat I'm not keeping track of it on Twitter or on truth.

So I just know that like he's reveling in it, and like if you could go back to two thousand and nine and be like, go to the VMA's and be like, Taylor, this is what's gonna happen to you, Like yay, sorry, dead named Kanye, I get there.

So I just know that like he's reveling in it, and like if you could go back to two thousand and nine and be like, go to the VMA's and be like, Taylor, this is what's gonna happen to you, Like yay, sorry, dead named Kanye, I get there.

I did it again.

I did it again.

You're gonna buy out and add at the dentist to go to easy dot com.

You're gonna buy out and add at the dentist to go to easy dot com.

So for people that don't know there was this insane Kanye ad that he had bought, it was just him like really out of it, like telling people to go to easy dot com. I have to say, like, does he still sell close? Is that still his thing? I'm not sure. I don't even know what his deal is anymore. I'm just afraid of it. Hey guys, this is Matt. I just wanted to jump on here very quickly and say that this episode was recorded before we found out what Kanye West was selling on his website. Obviously, Bowen and I had no interest in actually logging onto easy dot com, and so it wasn't until much later, a couple of days later, that we found out what exactly he was selling, which was t shirts with swastikas on them. So that's obviously fucking insane, and our sentiment, as always is fuck Kanye West, and I just wanted to make sure that we made that totally clear so that you didn't think we were being glib or dismissing the situation as like anything other than what it is, which is fucking disgusting. So back to the episode, just wanted to jump on and clear there. Bye.

So for people that don't know there was this insane Kanye ad that he had bought, it was just him like really out of it, like telling people to go to easy dot com. I have to say, like, does he still sell close? Is that still his thing? I'm not sure. I don't even know what his deal is anymore. I'm just afraid of it. Hey guys, this is Matt. I just wanted to jump on here very quickly and say that this episode was recorded before we found out what Kanye West was selling on his website. Obviously, Bowen and I had no interest in actually logging onto easy dot com, and so it wasn't until much later, a couple of days later, that we found out what exactly he was selling, which was t shirts with swastikas on them. So that's obviously fucking insane, and our sentiment, as always is fuck Kanye West, and I just wanted to make sure that we made that totally clear so that you didn't think we were being glib or dismissing the situation as like anything other than what it is, which is fucking disgusting. So back to the episode, just wanted to jump on and clear there. Bye.

I think something broke the way that Sarah Sherman talked about David Lynch and how he used the Adam bomb as a way of talking about humanity being broken and shattering, like there's something shattered culturally. When I think when that moment happened is yeah, that's the origin point.

I think something broke the way that Sarah Sherman talked about David Lynch and how he used the Adam bomb as a way of talking about humanity being broken and shattering, like there's something shattered culturally. When I think when that moment happened is yeah, that's the origin point.

Yeah, so much of what's.

Yeah, so much of what's.

Happening now yep, for like this brook to diverge in the wood, Oh in this way, you know what I mean? Like like that, that was a very fateful night. You have so much clarity. No, I know I can only call it post not clarity. No, because I know you got the nut yesterday. How do you know you told me so we are not going to do this.

Happening now yep, for like this brook to diverge in the wood, Oh in this way, you know what I mean? Like like that, that was a very fateful night. You have so much clarity. No, I know I can only call it post not clarity. No, because I know you got the nut yesterday. How do you know you told me so we are not going to do this.

So this was what we were in conflict about before the episode started. Bowen just no longer wants to discuss his personal sexual exploits on the podcasts discussed in Shit. He is rolling around like a pig and shit. He's like, Tate, it's okay, I'm okay. Like imagine like Bowen just and it's cocks all around. It's okay, I'm okay. He's turning down the cock. He's saying, it's okay, I'm okay, because he's so inundated. Well you know the origin of that phrase.

So this was what we were in conflict about before the episode started. Bowen just no longer wants to discuss his personal sexual exploits on the podcasts discussed in Shit. He is rolling around like a pig and shit. He's like, Tate, it's okay, I'm okay. Like imagine like Bowen just and it's cocks all around. It's okay, I'm okay. He's turning down the cock. He's saying, it's okay, I'm okay, because he's so inundated. Well you know the origin of that phrase.

But she was in the studio and they were like, you know, it's around meal time, like let's order some food, like, Tate, do you want anything?

But she was in the studio and they were like, you know, it's around meal time, like let's order some food, like, Tate, do you want anything?

And she kept saying it's okay, I'm okay. Really, that's because she wanted to keep working. She wanted to keep working, she says, she is. This is the thing.

And she kept saying it's okay, I'm okay. Really, that's because she wanted to keep working. She wanted to keep working, she says, she is. This is the thing.

This is someone who holds all three of her titles very seriously, seriously singer, songwriter, dancer. Yeah, nothing takes over. It's a very well balanced, you know, triangle a plane as it were.

This is someone who holds all three of her titles very seriously, seriously singer, songwriter, dancer. Yeah, nothing takes over. It's a very well balanced, you know, triangle a plane as it were.

And Tate McCray will be on the podcast in two weeks. We're very excited. And what you just did right there was amazing for two reasons. One it provided new information about Tate that I didn't know, and then too, I deflected it, and two was a misdirect. It was a redirect. It was a deflection and a project.

And Tate McCray will be on the podcast in two weeks. We're very excited. And what you just did right there was amazing for two reasons. One it provided new information about Tate that I didn't know, and then too, I deflected it, and two was a misdirect. It was a redirect. It was a deflection and a project.

Okay, when was the last time you talked about your sexploits?

Okay, when was the last time you talked about your sexploits?

I actually have an announcement. I'm no longer bringing my sexploits and personal life to this podcast because I'm genuinely out here dating again and so I don't want anyone to know how I how I like. I don't want to say one thing and then someone think it's about them, right, because now I've had that happened recently. I've had that happened recently.

I actually have an announcement. I'm no longer bringing my sexploits and personal life to this podcast because I'm genuinely out here dating again and so I don't want anyone to know how I how I like. I don't want to say one thing and then someone think it's about them, right, because now I've had that happened recently. I've had that happened recently.

Where I was I was on our good friends Patent Cats podcasting treatment and was talking about someone, and then another person thought that I was talking about them.

Where I was I was on our good friends Patent Cats podcasting treatment and was talking about someone, and then another person thought that I was talking about them.

Oop. Ali, it's Amelia Badelia vibes. It's like in Sister or Sister when they would both when they would have to switch. I got my own mind, my own stuff in my own time. Yes, just like should we reboot? Yes, that actually should be our show. It's a sister sister rebort twins when we played twins, and the conceit is no one can tell us a part because we're twins. Well you know this is this is an interesting glimpse. Of course. Matt and I wrote a show for ours Nova anfest called Night Soap, and it was originally something else.

Oop. Ali, it's Amelia Badelia vibes. It's like in Sister or Sister when they would both when they would have to switch. I got my own mind, my own stuff in my own time. Yes, just like should we reboot? Yes, that actually should be our show. It's a sister sister rebort twins when we played twins, and the conceit is no one can tell us a part because we're twins. Well you know this is this is an interesting glimpse. Of course. Matt and I wrote a show for ours Nova anfest called Night Soap, and it was originally something else.

It was originally called and this was conceived back in college. We were like we were just on some different ship back then. Because Matt came up with the title the Twins are Fighting Again.

It was originally called and this was conceived back in college. We were like we were just on some different ship back then. Because Matt came up with the title the Twins are Fighting Again.

A gay fantaga with themes, a gay fantasia with themes with themes where we did play twins, and then we did end up like we always wanted for the show to end in a space battle, which ended up being the thing that carried over into Night Soap. You know that I still have notebooks full of like plot ideas and joke ideas and twists for our show. The Twins are Fighting Again. Really, yes, I think it's Twins Are Fighting Again is title of app The Twins are Fighting Again Now. So we eventually did create media that was the Twins are Fighting Again, which was this podcast or you mean Nightsope, I'm just saying it. Ultimately, we did it because we will release this episode. It will be called The Twins Are Fighting Again with Matt and Bowen. So don't let anyone tell you it's not possible that you're kind of hey, a half baked idea can't come through later. It can show up in any form. It can show up in any form. Yeah, but we didn't end up doing it. We did Night Soap, which maybe Night Soape will see the light of day. I still believe in Night Soap has some sort of entity. I'm really proud of Nights because we tore. We tore.

A gay fantaga with themes, a gay fantasia with themes with themes where we did play twins, and then we did end up like we always wanted for the show to end in a space battle, which ended up being the thing that carried over into Night Soap. You know that I still have notebooks full of like plot ideas and joke ideas and twists for our show. The Twins are Fighting Again. Really, yes, I think it's Twins Are Fighting Again is title of app The Twins are Fighting Again Now. So we eventually did create media that was the Twins are Fighting Again, which was this podcast or you mean Nightsope, I'm just saying it. Ultimately, we did it because we will release this episode. It will be called The Twins Are Fighting Again with Matt and Bowen. So don't let anyone tell you it's not possible that you're kind of hey, a half baked idea can't come through later. It can show up in any form. It can show up in any form. Yeah, but we didn't end up doing it. We did Night Soap, which maybe Night Soape will see the light of day. I still believe in Night Soap has some sort of entity. I'm really proud of Nights because we tore. We tore.

Not only did we tear, but we really gagged the girls with a plot twist at the end.

Not only did we tear, but we really gagged the girls with a plot twist at the end.

You know, I almost died that night. What do you mean? Okay, No, it wasn't that night. It was for your You did another show at Ours Nova, yes, and I did. So there was time in my life there was what would you call this was like an eight to ten month period of my life during pap Roulette and that Hu where I was doing death drops on stage. Yes, you were doing a lot of and you were very good, but yeah, I was describing it full leaps into the air, like no training, just me visualizing in my head and watching drag Race how it should be and allowing myself to fall on the ground. But this was my entire late twenties, and during that I forget what it was you were doing some I was doing. Yeah, I forget our showgasm or something. It was showgasm. Yeah, you were hosting something or performing one some one person show. And I came out and did a death drop, and afterwards I was told that my neck almost Hilary swank million dollar baby on a chair.

You know, I almost died that night. What do you mean? Okay, No, it wasn't that night. It was for your You did another show at Ours Nova, yes, and I did. So there was time in my life there was what would you call this was like an eight to ten month period of my life during pap Roulette and that Hu where I was doing death drops on stage. Yes, you were doing a lot of and you were very good, but yeah, I was describing it full leaps into the air, like no training, just me visualizing in my head and watching drag Race how it should be and allowing myself to fall on the ground. But this was my entire late twenties, and during that I forget what it was you were doing some I was doing. Yeah, I forget our showgasm or something. It was showgasm. Yeah, you were hosting something or performing one some one person show. And I came out and did a death drop, and afterwards I was told that my neck almost Hilary swank million dollar baby on a chair.

Can you imagine, man? Oh my god, I'm so sad even thinking about that.

Can you imagine, man? Oh my god, I'm so sad even thinking about that.

It would have been really awful. Had I Hillary Swank million dollar baby because I thought, let me do a death drop. Imagine explaining that to my parents. I am to have done it. I would have had to have done it.

It would have been really awful. Had I Hillary Swank million dollar baby because I thought, let me do a death drop. Imagine explaining that to my parents. I am to have done it. I would have had to have done it.

I would have been in a police outfit for some reason, in a police outfit. I just imagine being in a quote unquote police outfit knocking at your parents' door telling them that their their son had passed away.

I would have been in a police outfit for some reason, in a police outfit. I just imagine being in a quote unquote police outfit knocking at your parents' door telling them that their their son had passed away.

Okay, let's check it out. I'm Katrina. Oh my god, Ritchie, it's Bowen. Hi. What are you doing here? You look so cute? Miss Rogers, I'm miss Rogers. Are you? My name is Officer Yang and I what's happened? Oh no, you'ren like this at all. Your son was doing a show gasm was a guest on a I don't understand a show gasm show that it's there, don't know showgasm. It's at ours Nova, which I don't like the title. Really, Oh it's a play on the words orgasm and show. Well I understood that part. So what happened? How was the show? It was mid?

Okay, let's check it out. I'm Katrina. Oh my god, Ritchie, it's Bowen. Hi. What are you doing here? You look so cute? Miss Rogers, I'm miss Rogers. Are you? My name is Officer Yang and I what's happened? Oh no, you'ren like this at all. Your son was doing a show gasm was a guest on a I don't understand a show gasm show that it's there, don't know showgasm. It's at ours Nova, which I don't like the title. Really, Oh it's a play on the words orgasm and show. Well I understood that part. So what happened? How was the show? It was mid?

It was a mid well oh sorry, So in about ten years.

It was a mid well oh sorry, So in about ten years.

That's going to be a term that people use, so sort of in the middle, sort of not so good, not so many. Well, you know, you do lots of great shows, but we love coming to the shows.

That's going to be a term that people use, so sort of in the middle, sort of not so good, not so many. Well, you know, you do lots of great shows, but we love coming to the shows.

In this moment, I'm sorry, sorry, mister Rogers. In this moment, I am a Katrina. You've always called me Katrina some reason. I've taken it upon myself to be a police officer for.

In this moment, I'm sorry, sorry, mister Rogers. In this moment, I am a Katrina. You've always called me Katrina some reason. I've taken it upon myself to be a police officer for.

You, but I support you. We love the police. My mom doesn't say how my mom feels back. Your son Matt did a death drop. Oh no, and he Hyla recently a million dollar baby has had on a chair won the boxing match. I only saw the first forty five minutes of that movie and fell asleep. What happens at the end? Is your husband around? Can I come in? Yeah? Of course, come in?

You, but I support you. We love the police. My mom doesn't say how my mom feels back. Your son Matt did a death drop. Oh no, and he Hyla recently a million dollar baby has had on a chair won the boxing match. I only saw the first forty five minutes of that movie and fell asleep. What happens at the end? Is your husband around? Can I come in? Yeah? Of course, come in?

And oh man, you are so embodied in Katrina.

And oh man, you are so embodied in Katrina.

I know her better than she fucking knows herself. Oh my god, do you feel I feel like you? You are that way with me. Sometimes you know me better than I know me. I here's what I'll say. I know your energy sometimes without even being in the room. I literally know exactly how you feel at all times. I know I lost. Yes, I usually have like some sense, oh my god, what the temperature is at all times, so like whether you're okay, you're okay or not.

I know her better than she fucking knows herself. Oh my god, do you feel I feel like you? You are that way with me. Sometimes you know me better than I know me. I here's what I'll say. I know your energy sometimes without even being in the room. I literally know exactly how you feel at all times. I know I lost. Yes, I usually have like some sense, oh my god, what the temperature is at all times, so like whether you're okay, you're okay or not.

Like what was the last time you tried to like really channel into into like my mind.

Like what was the last time you tried to like really channel into into like my mind.

I mean I literally walked in today, looked at you and said, what's the matter? No, that's a whole separate thing. It is a whole separate thing. I was having a conversation with Engineer Doug. Engineer Doug and we were talking about something heavy, and I come in the room and I saw but I don't even know how to describe it. There is almost like a it's like a it's like a resigned yearning. It's like, oh, I said, what's the matter? No, I was listening to the conversation.

I mean I literally walked in today, looked at you and said, what's the matter? No, that's a whole separate thing. It is a whole separate thing. I was having a conversation with Engineer Doug. Engineer Doug and we were talking about something heavy, and I come in the room and I saw but I don't even know how to describe it. There is almost like a it's like a it's like a resigned yearning. It's like, oh, I said, what's the matter? No, I was listening to the conversation.

I was listening to your conversation as you guys walked in, and because it was dovetailing on a conversation that I was having with Engineer Doug as well about the same heavy topic. Yes, yes, we're dancing around this. It's not it's not anything bad. It's just it's a thing that you know, it's something bad. It is right, it's something bad. It's just not something that should be.

I was listening to your conversation as you guys walked in, and because it was dovetailing on a conversation that I was having with Engineer Doug as well about the same heavy topic. Yes, yes, we're dancing around this. It's not it's not anything bad. It's just it's a thing that you know, it's something bad. It is right, it's something bad. It's just not something that should be.

Do you mind if we if we share, Like Okay, so Doug experienced lots of pain because of the fires. His neighborhood is has taken quite the beating, and we're thinking of him, and we were just checking in with him and again reaching out to everyone out there who is It's so odd sometimes when I feel like the world moves on, you know what I mean, I can't stop thinking about this. Yeah, Like it's like I remember when I was little, Like my great grandfather passed away when I was twelve, and I remember I had this moment where it was like it was like mid November, it was cold on Long Island, and we were at the funeral and we get in the car and we turned on the car and I remember, like so loudly, like pop music started playing from the FM radio, and I was like, it's so crazy that the rest of the world is still listening to pop music, and like, you know, it's going to be a sunny day today or it's going to continue, like the world's going to keep going in this way despite this tragedy, and I can't imagine how it must feel to have the entire world pivot and like send you condolences and like, obviously it's been a lasting topic in the news because it's such a tragedy and so much has befallen that region. But the moment where it feels like everyone else moves on to the world keeps turning.

Do you mind if we if we share, Like Okay, so Doug experienced lots of pain because of the fires. His neighborhood is has taken quite the beating, and we're thinking of him, and we were just checking in with him and again reaching out to everyone out there who is It's so odd sometimes when I feel like the world moves on, you know what I mean, I can't stop thinking about this. Yeah, Like it's like I remember when I was little, Like my great grandfather passed away when I was twelve, and I remember I had this moment where it was like it was like mid November, it was cold on Long Island, and we were at the funeral and we get in the car and we turned on the car and I remember, like so loudly, like pop music started playing from the FM radio, and I was like, it's so crazy that the rest of the world is still listening to pop music, and like, you know, it's going to be a sunny day today or it's going to continue, like the world's going to keep going in this way despite this tragedy, and I can't imagine how it must feel to have the entire world pivot and like send you condolences and like, obviously it's been a lasting topic in the news because it's such a tragedy and so much has befallen that region. But the moment where it feels like everyone else moves on to the world keeps turning.

Of course it must. It's still well. It just makes it impossible to go between like feeling this interior kind of like mourning and loss and like how do you cope with that like from within and then try to engage with the world in a way that like isn't totally devastating, because it's like, oh, the world does spin on and you're like, yeah, what does this mean?

Of course it must. It's still well. It just makes it impossible to go between like feeling this interior kind of like mourning and loss and like how do you cope with that like from within and then try to engage with the world in a way that like isn't totally devastating, because it's like, oh, the world does spin on and you're like, yeah, what does this mean?

I wish I could specifically remember what song it was that was playing, because you know, it was dumb? Is it what yours? This? It was two thousand and two, So let's think about November two thousand and two. Ken, are we that good at culture? I'm gonna say a shanty foolish foolish? No, I hope it was. Oh, that's the thing is like, I feel like if it was a Shanti Foolish, which by the way, is a great song, is that on the Great Global Songbook? I don't think it. I don't think it has. We might have to do a new list that might be nominated. What Foolish by Ashanti might be nominated. Wow, I don't know a category, but it might be nominated. You we have to we have to do what days that you and heard the HU take no more keep Wow?

I wish I could specifically remember what song it was that was playing, because you know, it was dumb? Is it what yours? This? It was two thousand and two, So let's think about November two thousand and two. Ken, are we that good at culture? I'm gonna say a shanty foolish foolish? No, I hope it was. Oh, that's the thing is like, I feel like if it was a Shanti Foolish, which by the way, is a great song, is that on the Great Global Songbook? I don't think it. I don't think it has. We might have to do a new list that might be nominated. What Foolish by Ashanti might be nominated. Wow, I don't know a category, but it might be nominated. You we have to we have to do what days that you and heard the HU take no more keep Wow?

I mean we can't officially say it's nominated yet because there are meetings involved.

I mean we can't officially say it's nominated yet because there are meetings involved.

No, there's so much meetings involved now more than ever. There's meetings, meetings involve let's just say the Cultural awards. There's meetings involved. There's meetings involved. That's all. That's all we can say. You are why are we multimedia?

No, there's so much meetings involved now more than ever. There's meetings, meetings involve let's just say the Cultural awards. There's meetings involved. There's meetings involved. That's all. That's all we can say. You are why are we multimedia?

Because this was this is all this is what you are pushed to do these days. You have to be multimedia. I didn't ask to write a book, but they asked us how.

Because this was this is all this is what you are pushed to do these days. You have to be multimedia. I didn't ask to write a book, but they asked us how.

Did that go? Did we ask to write it or did they ask us? I think we always wanted to do. We always wanted to write a culture. Absolutely.

Did that go? Did we ask to write it or did they ask us? I think we always wanted to do. We always wanted to write a culture. Absolutely.

I I'm cooked, and so I don't think I could write like I'm like Rules of Culture is the perfect book project for me and us. But I'm saying my brain because I I don't think I could write down a single thought or depiction of my experience in like a memoir form. If I were to ever gun to my head have to do that, you literally could.

I I'm cooked, and so I don't think I could write like I'm like Rules of Culture is the perfect book project for me and us. But I'm saying my brain because I I don't think I could write down a single thought or depiction of my experience in like a memoir form. If I were to ever gun to my head have to do that, you literally could.

But I at the same time, I do think it's good that we're sort of entering the book space with like not training wheels, but we get to do it together, yes, and we gets to do this thing that's going to have like such a fun container. And so it's practice for your incredible, revelatory, searing, trench trenchent provocative sexual at times if you ever open up, because here I am trying to get you to open up about your goddamn sexual exploits. But it's like trying to milk a stone, shouldn't you think so? Especially really culture number eighty eight, trying to milk a stone is a real that's that real expression. I was talking to my girl the other day and I was trying to find out what we were doing this weekend, and it was like trying to milk us. Yeah. Wait, I get what you're saying. Should the episode should title of that be to milk a stone? Instead of the twins are fighting again to milk a stone? Well, okay, now we're giving too much shine on to milk a stone. You know what I wish we could do what have the reader's vote for this title of thing. But we can't because that's not it's not going to chronologically logistically, it doesn't make sense. I get so frustrated when there are chronological or logistical limits. Yeah. I've been like that since I was little. What was the first time travel narrative back to the future the future? Which if they ever come to me and ask for my letterboxed, Yeah, that's up there, I'm saying forwards back to the future. You see me have to check that it was for Oh I would have had to check. We all have to check sometimes. Thank you for that. So Back to the Future is a great film nineteen eighty five released. Yes, who knew that they would know so much about how the future would go? Flying cars? Yes? Actually, what if you I've watched that movie, if you watch Back to the Future Part two again, it's actually kind of freaky because because what's his face as president is Biff turns into tru when then he becomes president the world's destitute. I'm like, tell me what you're like?

But I at the same time, I do think it's good that we're sort of entering the book space with like not training wheels, but we get to do it together, yes, and we gets to do this thing that's going to have like such a fun container. And so it's practice for your incredible, revelatory, searing, trench trenchent provocative sexual at times if you ever open up, because here I am trying to get you to open up about your goddamn sexual exploits. But it's like trying to milk a stone, shouldn't you think so? Especially really culture number eighty eight, trying to milk a stone is a real that's that real expression. I was talking to my girl the other day and I was trying to find out what we were doing this weekend, and it was like trying to milk us. Yeah. Wait, I get what you're saying. Should the episode should title of that be to milk a stone? Instead of the twins are fighting again to milk a stone? Well, okay, now we're giving too much shine on to milk a stone. You know what I wish we could do what have the reader's vote for this title of thing. But we can't because that's not it's not going to chronologically logistically, it doesn't make sense. I get so frustrated when there are chronological or logistical limits. Yeah. I've been like that since I was little. What was the first time travel narrative back to the future the future? Which if they ever come to me and ask for my letterboxed, Yeah, that's up there, I'm saying forwards back to the future. You see me have to check that it was for Oh I would have had to check. We all have to check sometimes. Thank you for that. So Back to the Future is a great film nineteen eighty five released. Yes, who knew that they would know so much about how the future would go? Flying cars? Yes? Actually, what if you I've watched that movie, if you watch Back to the Future Part two again, it's actually kind of freaky because because what's his face as president is Biff turns into tru when then he becomes president the world's destitute. I'm like, tell me what you're like?

How which was like, how do these people who make stories and make up fictional things sometimes they do know. Well, it's actually, you know, it's not that hard to think, Like, I don't know. All I keep thinking about these days is Final Fantasy vin. I'm like, how did they know?

How which was like, how do these people who make stories and make up fictional things sometimes they do know. Well, it's actually, you know, it's not that hard to think, Like, I don't know. All I keep thinking about these days is Final Fantasy vin. I'm like, how did they know?

What happens in that?

What happens in that?

It's these people become eco terrorists because the government is literary corporation and that's what's happening now. Sorry, it's like our entire government is now being bought by private equity. In a sense, it's crazy, like the concept of like a national border is not going to be a thing very soon. It's like it's just going to be a big corporation. And that's literally the plot of Final Fantasy seven. This energy company called Shinra is sucking the light that the planet's life energy dry, and you are a band of eco terrorists trying to stop Shinra. But then you have to stop this insane super warrior named Sepharoth who wants to.

It's these people become eco terrorists because the government is literary corporation and that's what's happening now. Sorry, it's like our entire government is now being bought by private equity. In a sense, it's crazy, like the concept of like a national border is not going to be a thing very soon. It's like it's just going to be a big corporation. And that's literally the plot of Final Fantasy seven. This energy company called Shinra is sucking the light that the planet's life energy dry, and you are a band of eco terrorists trying to stop Shinra. But then you have to stop this insane super warrior named Sepharoth who wants to.

Destroy the You've brought her up before.

Destroy the You've brought her up before.

Well, because I told you that she was voiced by Lance Bass and Kingdom Hearts.

Well, because I told you that she was voiced by Lance Bass and Kingdom Hearts.

Now, okay, are we saying she isn't like like referring to Sephrov as like a big, bad gay guy.

Now, okay, are we saying she isn't like like referring to Sephrov as like a big, bad gay guy.

No, Well, Sephroth could be read as queer for sure. Seriously, there's no like romantic interest, Like Seth is not romantic in a way. Sepharrov is like an ace kid. Do you think that if.

No, Well, Sephroth could be read as queer for sure. Seriously, there's no like romantic interest, Like Seth is not romantic in a way. Sepharrov is like an ace kid. Do you think that if.

They did Sepharrov's backstory and we find out that actually Cepharroth was queer and maybe it was not so easy growing up, that he would be a sympathetic character eventually gain sympathy for Sepharoz Oh, you understand, maybe you do.

They did Sepharrov's backstory and we find out that actually Cepharroth was queer and maybe it was not so easy growing up, that he would be a sympathetic character eventually gain sympathy for Sepharoz Oh, you understand, maybe you do.

Have sympathy for Sepharath in the story, I will say, because he is. He starts out being this heroic warrior that cloud Strife idolizes and the whole world idolizes. Really it's Cephroth. He is a great, a warrior of great renown. But then he learns of his origins that he was created by having allegedly well it's it's so complicated, but he discovers that that he was quote unquote created by having the cells of this alien creature named Genova injected into this woman named Lucretia, and he has a psychotic breakdown because he's like, well, Genova is my mother, and I have to destroy the planet because it you know, Genova wants to it's so complicated, so.

Have sympathy for Sepharath in the story, I will say, because he is. He starts out being this heroic warrior that cloud Strife idolizes and the whole world idolizes. Really it's Cephroth. He is a great, a warrior of great renown. But then he learns of his origins that he was created by having allegedly well it's it's so complicated, but he discovers that that he was quote unquote created by having the cells of this alien creature named Genova injected into this woman named Lucretia, and he has a psychotic breakdown because he's like, well, Genova is my mother, and I have to destroy the planet because it you know, Genova wants to it's so complicated, so.

A lot about family lineage and what is expected of you clouding the judgment. Absolutely, Do you believe that if Sepharrov could have just been a normal gay guy that he would have been happier?

A lot about family lineage and what is expected of you clouding the judgment. Absolutely, Do you believe that if Sepharrov could have just been a normal gay guy that he would have been happier?

I don't think Japanese so it's a Japanese game. Japanese culture has not fully grappled with queerness in the way that Western culture has. And that's not a knock on it. It's just I'm doing a lot of conjecture. No, I think you're asking such important questions, and I think it would be a better game if there was an explicit queer narrative put in.

I don't think Japanese so it's a Japanese game. Japanese culture has not fully grappled with queerness in the way that Western culture has. And that's not a knock on it. It's just I'm doing a lot of conjecture. No, I think you're asking such important questions, and I think it would be a better game if there was an explicit queer narrative put in.

So what you're saying is you think that if Japanese culture was only at the place that American culture is at, like if they had really grappled with queerness and they could have injected that into the story of Sepharov, that we as a world's culture could understand sephar Off more and therefore we might have more of a sympathy for him. Perhaps.

So what you're saying is you think that if Japanese culture was only at the place that American culture is at, like if they had really grappled with queerness and they could have injected that into the story of Sepharov, that we as a world's culture could understand sephar Off more and therefore we might have more of a sympathy for him. Perhaps.

And I will say, and I do want to walk back something and say that it's not that there's a notion of catching up that japan has to catch up to Western culture in terms of qoerness. In many ways, they've been pioneers. Of course, there's the Sailor Stars. There's a huge, very trenchant transnarrative in that. Oh it's this boy band. When they turn into the Sailor Stars, they turn into women.

And I will say, and I do want to walk back something and say that it's not that there's a notion of catching up that japan has to catch up to Western culture in terms of qoerness. In many ways, they've been pioneers. Of course, there's the Sailor Stars. There's a huge, very trenchant transnarrative in that. Oh it's this boy band. When they turn into the Sailor Stars, they turn into women.

So we could learn from Japanese culture about how to always people always well, you think that we should do more like they do. And I would encourage you to go visit the nation of Japan. You know, I want to go. I know you do well. After you came back and had such a wonderful time, I thought, that's the next spot for me. I thought, let's go to Tokyo. What would you want to do in Tokyo?

So we could learn from Japanese culture about how to always people always well, you think that we should do more like they do. And I would encourage you to go visit the nation of Japan. You know, I want to go. I know you do well. After you came back and had such a wonderful time, I thought, that's the next spot for me. I thought, let's go to Tokyo. What would you want to do in Tokyo?

Mmm, I think you will have a very Stefani esque Gwen Stefani esque sort of journey there.

Mmm, I think you will have a very Stefani esque Gwen Stefani esque sort of journey there.

You will visit Harrisha, I come back even more problematic, When have you ever been problematic? I ask this genuinely. Hmmm, truly, I'm like, when have I ever been problematic? Probably in the ways normal white gay men are, in the ways that everybody is. Yeah, but let's just say it like a problematic. It's like I think I'm not I don't want, I don't actually want to explore this. Well you brought it up. No, I'm do you try to burn me on this episode? Yes, what you did? You came in here and you said, I'm gonna get them. You once and for all. You've been so combat up, combat it even this.

You will visit Harrisha, I come back even more problematic, When have you ever been problematic? I ask this genuinely. Hmmm, truly, I'm like, when have I ever been problematic? Probably in the ways normal white gay men are, in the ways that everybody is. Yeah, but let's just say it like a problematic. It's like I think I'm not I don't want, I don't actually want to explore this. Well you brought it up. No, I'm do you try to burn me on this episode? Yes, what you did? You came in here and you said, I'm gonna get them. You once and for all. You've been so combat up, combat it even this.

We had we had Microsoft teams meeting this morning, and Matt was in the middle of this. It was like twenty people and Matt was in the middle of this great run and I just wanted to quickly add something in. And then Matt, you know, in a very interesting way, said, don't that was you.

We had we had Microsoft teams meeting this morning, and Matt was in the middle of this. It was like twenty people and Matt was in the middle of this great run and I just wanted to quickly add something in. And then Matt, you know, in a very interesting way, said, don't that was you.

I wasn't talking to you. Someone else was trying to tech. No, you were talking to me. No, it wasn't. I'm telling you. I can't say the person's name, but someone someone there was like and I felt them do that, and that was what that was? What was the word choice exactly? It was, don't do this, let me finish? It was I think it was I think I think what I said to this other person was just one second, just one second? Is really charged?

I wasn't talking to you. Someone else was trying to tech. No, you were talking to me. No, it wasn't. I'm telling you. I can't say the person's name, but someone someone there was like and I felt them do that, and that was what that was? What was the word choice exactly? It was, don't do this, let me finish? It was I think it was I think I think what I said to this other person was just one second, just one second? Is really charged?

Just one second? I wasn't when you know it's not going to be just one second?

Just one second? I wasn't when you know it's not going to be just one second?

Excuse me? What was it? Six seconds? First of all. Now it wasn't you that I was doing about too. But now I'm pissed you tried to cut me off through Microsoft Teams meeting.

Excuse me? What was it? Six seconds? First of all. Now it wasn't you that I was doing about too. But now I'm pissed you tried to cut me off through Microsoft Teams meeting.

First of all, well that's this is my I don't think so, honey. Oh what oh no, no, not you. It's just just the platform, Microsoft Teams. I don't understand. No, we need to save it.

First of all, well that's this is my I don't think so, honey. Oh what oh no, no, not you. It's just just the platform, Microsoft Teams. I don't understand. No, we need to save it.

It is. Actually I came in with this in the pocket. I'm happy that you did. I didn't have anything today. Life's been so good, everything's been great. You look great in this cardion. By the way, thank you. This is one of my favorite things. It's from Corridor. I love Corridor. Yeah, I really like them. They're really good. Oh look but I've buttoned it incorrectly. That's okay, you know that that horrible feeling. No, it looks even. It's good. It's even.

It is. Actually I came in with this in the pocket. I'm happy that you did. I didn't have anything today. Life's been so good, everything's been great. You look great in this cardion. By the way, thank you. This is one of my favorite things. It's from Corridor. I love Corridor. Yeah, I really like them. They're really good. Oh look but I've buttoned it incorrectly. That's okay, you know that that horrible feeling. No, it looks even. It's good. It's even.

You know what Qurridor is good at everything, knits, sweaters.

You know what Qurridor is good at everything, knits, sweaters.

Sweaters, flannels. Gay and straight can wear, yes can. In fact, sometimes you go in there and I can only describe the atmosphere from people that work there as gay or super friendly, great guys, And you leave being like all right, all right, yeah I do leave Qurridor thinking God, I mean, if we could all just come together at corridor. Yeah, you know who's a straight guy that I Actually it's worked on me. You know what I'm gonna say, Remind me Dylan Efron from The Traders. Oh, we love Dylan. I love the vibe. I love the vibe. It's just a sweet boy. You see that one picture that floating around online about him with his booty in the air. Oh, yes, sure, we should literally put it up on the back wall and just like have that be the thing for lost co. Can you look up Dylan Efron booty. Yeah, and then the airwife you're google search history later, Dylan Efron asks in air he's in like the water or something. You gotta look at it.

Sweaters, flannels. Gay and straight can wear, yes can. In fact, sometimes you go in there and I can only describe the atmosphere from people that work there as gay or super friendly, great guys, And you leave being like all right, all right, yeah I do leave Qurridor thinking God, I mean, if we could all just come together at corridor. Yeah, you know who's a straight guy that I Actually it's worked on me. You know what I'm gonna say, Remind me Dylan Efron from The Traders. Oh, we love Dylan. I love the vibe. I love the vibe. It's just a sweet boy. You see that one picture that floating around online about him with his booty in the air. Oh, yes, sure, we should literally put it up on the back wall and just like have that be the thing for lost co. Can you look up Dylan Efron booty. Yeah, and then the airwife you're google search history later, Dylan Efron asks in air he's in like the water or something. You gotta look at it.

Oh, I've seen this picture. It's very Tate mc cray coded, very Tate m cray coded. I'm excited to truly finally see what she looks like Tate Tate, because you know, on Iconic four hundred we were singing her braces. But my bit back then was she's just moving around so much. Still want to see your beautiful face. You want to see a beautiful face. And of course this is all in jest. We love Tate and she's a beautiful girl, and she does have a history of sitting still and being still.

Oh, I've seen this picture. It's very Tate mc cray coded, very Tate m cray coded. I'm excited to truly finally see what she looks like Tate Tate, because you know, on Iconic four hundred we were singing her braces. But my bit back then was she's just moving around so much. Still want to see your beautiful face. You want to see a beautiful face. And of course this is all in jest. We love Tate and she's a beautiful girl, and she does have a history of sitting still and being still.

We're about to we're about to have a conversation with her. Yes, sing a little song for us, Sam McCray hands, This is a bop. It's a great song. How you doing over there with that gay search? What do you think? All right? Now put it up here. Now, I know it has to be a certain frame rate or something. We're gonna look at this. Whatever it is. Frame rate. You can't get it up here. You can't get it up it's on the drive. Then bring your computer over here. We'll just show it to the camera. Show it to the camera. Okay, So this is the picture. This is a sort of famous picture of Dylan Efron. Now I'm going to zoom in George. All right, so this is what we're giving. This is good stuff. And now why would that man do that if he wasn't trying to tease? And I'm okay with it and bait a little well, you know, he's he looks like a skilled, skilled boy. This is back arch culture. I mean, this is a great picture. This is an amazing photo.

We're about to we're about to have a conversation with her. Yes, sing a little song for us, Sam McCray hands, This is a bop. It's a great song. How you doing over there with that gay search? What do you think? All right? Now put it up here. Now, I know it has to be a certain frame rate or something. We're gonna look at this. Whatever it is. Frame rate. You can't get it up here. You can't get it up it's on the drive. Then bring your computer over here. We'll just show it to the camera. Show it to the camera. Okay, So this is the picture. This is a sort of famous picture of Dylan Efron. Now I'm going to zoom in George. All right, so this is what we're giving. This is good stuff. And now why would that man do that if he wasn't trying to tease? And I'm okay with it and bait a little well, you know, he's he looks like a skilled, skilled boy. This is back arch culture. I mean, this is a great picture. This is an amazing photo.

There's such a confidence in that pose, yeah, that it makes you wonder and I And it's not like a This is not a panic situation.

There's such a confidence in that pose, yeah, that it makes you wonder and I And it's not like a This is not a panic situation.

It's just like embrace it. The eyes are locked on the camera to the national The eyes are national geographic eys. You can only describe this as Tate McCray coated, of course, it's actually real culture number ninety. You can only describe as Tate McCray coated. Yeah, okay, thank you, Doug. We'll return the laptop. I'm not ready to give it up. Oh give it great. By the way, there was that one scene of he comes over to take it. I say no, No. There was that one scene of Dylan Efron and Tom Sanderval walking up when they were in like when they were a couple. Yeah. Spoiler alert for traders.

It's just like embrace it. The eyes are locked on the camera to the national The eyes are national geographic eys. You can only describe this as Tate McCray coated, of course, it's actually real culture number ninety. You can only describe as Tate McCray coated. Yeah, okay, thank you, Doug. We'll return the laptop. I'm not ready to give it up. Oh give it great. By the way, there was that one scene of he comes over to take it. I say no, No. There was that one scene of Dylan Efron and Tom Sanderval walking up when they were in like when they were a couple. Yeah. Spoiler alert for traders.

There's a duo challenge and Tom Sandaval and Dylan in front are a duo in the challenge.

There's a duo challenge and Tom Sandaval and Dylan in front are a duo in the challenge.

And they're like a married couple. They're both dressed up and got you. It worked on me, unfortunately, the redemption of Tom Sanderval. No, there's no redemption. There's no light in that man's nose. The redemption is not working on me. I'm still oh please about Tom, But I will say when I watched him and Dylan e Fron walk down the aisle together.

And they're like a married couple. They're both dressed up and got you. It worked on me, unfortunately, the redemption of Tom Sanderval. No, there's no redemption. There's no light in that man's nose. The redemption is not working on me. I'm still oh please about Tom, But I will say when I watched him and Dylan e Fron walk down the aisle together.

I had thoughts, well, that was just the idea of two men walking down the all of.

I had thoughts, well, that was just the idea of two men walking down the all of.

The am I that horny?

The am I that horny?

No, I've been okay, I'm about to get vulnerable.

No, I've been okay, I'm about to get vulnerable.

That's what I've been wanting from it. It's not this is the vulnerability the judges have been looking for, But this is maybe what you're getting out does Sometimes I can just kind of get there by just thinking about the idea of two men kissing. I will say this that makes sense. Yes, I would rather watch men make out than do anything else. Well, all this other stuff that they're doing on each other, then go to war. Can I say I agree with you. I'd so much rather watch men kiss than go to war.

That's what I've been wanting from it. It's not this is the vulnerability the judges have been looking for, But this is maybe what you're getting out does Sometimes I can just kind of get there by just thinking about the idea of two men kissing. I will say this that makes sense. Yes, I would rather watch men make out than do anything else. Well, all this other stuff that they're doing on each other, then go to war. Can I say I agree with you. I'd so much rather watch men kiss than go to war.

Whoever did that mural in Berlin of whatever was it, like Henry Kissinger and No Gorbachev making out or whatever?

Whoever did that mural in Berlin of whatever was it, like Henry Kissinger and No Gorbachev making out or whatever?

That Berlin mural is just done that. They should have just done that. Can I say something about these warmongers? They would love get sex like it's so fun and once you get over the hill of like the pain or whatever, like you're gonna love the way you look.

That Berlin mural is just done that. They should have just done that. Can I say something about these warmongers? They would love get sex like it's so fun and once you get over the hill of like the pain or whatever, like you're gonna love the way you look.

I guarante, I guarantee you this is my thing not to talk about the gender binary too much, but I think, of course never we were talking. I was asking about Jalen Hurts last night during the Super Bowl, and one of our friends there was saying how he has like an all female team basically love that manager, publicist whatever, all women, and like he was asked about that and he was like, yeah, I was raised by a strong mother, and women are just better at their jobs and they're just better people. And I was like, see, this is the thing, and I thought, oh, sure, like because an all male team would be like just all so much energy, so much like pent up something where I'm like, I mean not to say gay guys don't have their problems, but you are. There is a nice release of the valve. Well, they're constantly releasing valves. Yeah, not even necessarily on the weekends. Sometimes it happens Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. My gay guys or straight guys, can I say I released.

I guarante, I guarantee you this is my thing not to talk about the gender binary too much, but I think, of course never we were talking. I was asking about Jalen Hurts last night during the Super Bowl, and one of our friends there was saying how he has like an all female team basically love that manager, publicist whatever, all women, and like he was asked about that and he was like, yeah, I was raised by a strong mother, and women are just better at their jobs and they're just better people. And I was like, see, this is the thing, and I thought, oh, sure, like because an all male team would be like just all so much energy, so much like pent up something where I'm like, I mean not to say gay guys don't have their problems, but you are. There is a nice release of the valve. Well, they're constantly releasing valves. Yeah, not even necessarily on the weekends. Sometimes it happens Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. My gay guys or straight guys, can I say I released.

The valve on Friday day? That's great. My new thing is I love a daytime, weekday hookup. And I understand a lot of that's they're nine to fives. But for those who have an alternative schedule talking to all my gay podcasters out there. Daytime hookup is actually so good because you have a lot of energy. Yeah, you haven't eaten a lot yet that day, right or at all? And I just like cooking up when I can see the daylight, when you can go to a show. After hooked up the other day, me and the guy when got a sandwich? What? I just pitched it. What sandwich? Did you get? Such a good sandwich? Actually, this part I can be specific about. It was an insane It was like a spicy pesto chicken sandwich that you could never eat before you bottom during the day, but post bottoming during the day. Roll up your sleeves. We're eating spicy chicken. We're eating and fisting you. I didn't like that language at all to the elbow. But were we talking about that that came out? No, we were talking about Oh, we were talking about someone we found someone loves someone, we found out likes to be have this sexual activity. It's on their menu, which is fisting. Yeah, And I kind of just said but madd really dropped into a character and he was like and he just really he like mined it. I think we went we were like a glove because they were talking about how fisting begins right where.

The valve on Friday day? That's great. My new thing is I love a daytime, weekday hookup. And I understand a lot of that's they're nine to fives. But for those who have an alternative schedule talking to all my gay podcasters out there. Daytime hookup is actually so good because you have a lot of energy. Yeah, you haven't eaten a lot yet that day, right or at all? And I just like cooking up when I can see the daylight, when you can go to a show. After hooked up the other day, me and the guy when got a sandwich? What? I just pitched it. What sandwich? Did you get? Such a good sandwich? Actually, this part I can be specific about. It was an insane It was like a spicy pesto chicken sandwich that you could never eat before you bottom during the day, but post bottoming during the day. Roll up your sleeves. We're eating spicy chicken. We're eating and fisting you. I didn't like that language at all to the elbow. But were we talking about that that came out? No, we were talking about Oh, we were talking about someone we found someone loves someone, we found out likes to be have this sexual activity. It's on their menu, which is fisting. Yeah, And I kind of just said but madd really dropped into a character and he was like and he just really he like mined it. I think we went we were like a glove because they were talking about how fisting begins right where.

It's like, you can't have to go with with fingers like this. It's gotta be like Italian hands, like when you hold a pen, right, this is how you hold a pen.

It's like, you can't have to go with with fingers like this. It's gotta be like Italian hands, like when you hold a pen, right, this is how you hold a pen.

No, I hold a pen weird, you see me? Right? I have smudges all over this part of my hand when I write thoughts on this. I'm a writer who writes like a lefty. That's why.

No, I hold a pen weird, you see me? Right? I have smudges all over this part of my hand when I write thoughts on this. I'm a writer who writes like a lefty. That's why.

Well, a lot of great writers hold their pen in a fucked up way, like yourself, Sylvia Plath, Sylvia Plath, isn't it so curious anytime there's like a great artist who like holds their pen like this, I'm like, Oh, that's why I.

Well, a lot of great writers hold their pen in a fucked up way, like yourself, Sylvia Plath, Sylvia Plath, isn't it so curious anytime there's like a great artist who like holds their pen like this, I'm like, Oh, that's why I.

Loved the way you said. Isn't it so curious? Like it's just the way you tossed that, Isn't it so curious? Any good documentaries lately? You know what I just watched? He Yeah, we haven't really talked about Peacock. Thank you, Peacock. The only people saying the truth, Yes, people with journalistic integrity. These days, it's only Peacock out there saying the truth. It's only Peacock out there saying that this is a coup this is the coup. They're not saying that. People really aren't saying. People aren't saying it. Like did you see that crazy as interview that Christine Nome did. By the way, Christineome, I believe, I forget what's coming about. But she's she's she's she's security, she's Homeland Security.

Loved the way you said. Isn't it so curious? Like it's just the way you tossed that, Isn't it so curious? Any good documentaries lately? You know what I just watched? He Yeah, we haven't really talked about Peacock. Thank you, Peacock. The only people saying the truth, Yes, people with journalistic integrity. These days, it's only Peacock out there saying the truth. It's only Peacock out there saying that this is a coup this is the coup. They're not saying that. People really aren't saying. People aren't saying it. Like did you see that crazy as interview that Christine Nome did. By the way, Christineome, I believe, I forget what's coming about. But she's she's she's she's security, she's Homeland Security.

She's the one who shot her dog because it was annoying and then gotten glammed before the ice raids in New York. Yeah, so she was I think with Dana Bash on CMN being like, we can't trust the government, And Dana Bash was like, you are the government.

She's the one who shot her dog because it was annoying and then gotten glammed before the ice raids in New York. Yeah, so she was I think with Dana Bash on CMN being like, we can't trust the government, And Dana Bash was like, you are the government.

Can't trust the government, Like, what are they going to say now that they can't say the problem? The fault is entirely with the.

Can't trust the government, Like, what are they going to say now that they can't say the problem? The fault is entirely with the.

That's them saying we are just here to dismantle right right right right?

That's them saying we are just here to dismantle right right right right?

What I mean? Okay? Cool? But it's like, but then, like, where does that authority come from? Anyway? You know what I love about all this? It's making eggs cheaper. You're not to live about all these executive orders like totally changing the.

What I mean? Okay? Cool? But it's like, but then, like, where does that authority come from? Anyway? You know what I love about all this? It's making eggs cheaper. You're not to live about all these executive orders like totally changing the.

Price of milk and thank god, the ten trans athletes in the United States can no longer compete.

Price of milk and thank god, the ten trans athletes in the United States can no longer compete.

What are we talking about and you know progressive media is falling apart too.

What are we talking about and you know progressive media is falling apart too.

You were telling me about this drama between the young Turks. Oh, the young Turks is in shambles. Well it's oh god, it's crazy.

You were telling me about this drama between the young Turks. Oh, the young Turks is in shambles. Well it's oh god, it's crazy.

Like just to watch them make like a right word swing, to watch a on like Jillian Michaels' podcast, it's crazy. Jillian Michaels is out is out here with the right wing podcast. This is my impression of Jillian Michaels on her podcast. Yeah, yeah, biggest loser Jillian Michaels. Yes, she opposite direction us Bob Harper. Bob Harper went to the Truth and the Light, which is Peacock the Traders. Jillian went swinging right podcast? What was? How did we get on this? I don't know how we've gotten on a single thing we've talked about today. It's been one of the documentaries. Oh we didn't talk about Didty. We haven't talked about Ditty on this podcast, and do we have to? Maybe not? Maybe we don't. What's the papists? But the thing, Okay, this is what I think we can say about Ditty. When you really look back at like making the band, and you really look back at all of the media that we have of him pretty much everything. It's kind of shocking that no question was asked about the way he treated anyone in his orbit, because it was an exclusively abusive and totalitarian but his version of he's an abusive narcissist, which might feel like it's a redundant thing, but it's like he was always very good at the image.

Like just to watch them make like a right word swing, to watch a on like Jillian Michaels' podcast, it's crazy. Jillian Michaels is out is out here with the right wing podcast. This is my impression of Jillian Michaels on her podcast. Yeah, yeah, biggest loser Jillian Michaels. Yes, she opposite direction us Bob Harper. Bob Harper went to the Truth and the Light, which is Peacock the Traders. Jillian went swinging right podcast? What was? How did we get on this? I don't know how we've gotten on a single thing we've talked about today. It's been one of the documentaries. Oh we didn't talk about Didty. We haven't talked about Ditty on this podcast, and do we have to? Maybe not? Maybe we don't. What's the papists? But the thing, Okay, this is what I think we can say about Ditty. When you really look back at like making the band, and you really look back at all of the media that we have of him pretty much everything. It's kind of shocking that no question was asked about the way he treated anyone in his orbit, because it was an exclusively abusive and totalitarian but his version of he's an abusive narcissist, which might feel like it's a redundant thing, but it's like he was always very good at the image.

And of course, if you watch any isolated episode of making the band, you're like, fuck, that's a monster. But then like after this club shooting that Jalo was that, it's like that's so that's another crazy thing. After that club shooting, and after he was acquitted because he had fucking Johnny Cochran on the horn, like, yeah, he really like cleaned up the He like took years off, cleaned up the pr changed his name to Diddy from puff Daddy. Like he was always really good at like shifting the perception. And you know, and even when even last year when like you know, Cassie filed the complaint in the and the civil suit, like he was denied tony, deny, and then the video came out of him in the towel like chasing after her and beating the shit out of her when that video came out, he goes on live or he just releases some front facing video being like that, take full response, takes full responsibility.

And of course, if you watch any isolated episode of making the band, you're like, fuck, that's a monster. But then like after this club shooting that Jalo was that, it's like that's so that's another crazy thing. After that club shooting, and after he was acquitted because he had fucking Johnny Cochran on the horn, like, yeah, he really like cleaned up the He like took years off, cleaned up the pr changed his name to Diddy from puff Daddy. Like he was always really good at like shifting the perception. And you know, and even when even last year when like you know, Cassie filed the complaint in the and the civil suit, like he was denied tony, deny, and then the video came out of him in the towel like chasing after her and beating the shit out of her when that video came out, he goes on live or he just releases some front facing video being like that, take full response, takes full responsibility.

I've listened to a lot of podcasts about narcissists in the past couple of years and just trying to understand this behavior, and it's anything they can do in a moment to get to shirk responsibility or to to just like another tactic is I'm going to say out loud the thing that's wrong about myself so that I can claim it as a victim narrative and no one can say it about me. Right Like these people when they're put into a corner. It's not always the Trump thing of like you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. There's other also another narcissistic tactic, which is I'm going to make myself seem like such a pathetic victim and like say all this stuff about myself so that actually everyone else is rendered speechless because I've already said it. They have no intent on actually changing, but they need everyone to know that they're aware, because wouldn't it be crazy if they weren't. That's like another tactic that you see.

I've listened to a lot of podcasts about narcissists in the past couple of years and just trying to understand this behavior, and it's anything they can do in a moment to get to shirk responsibility or to to just like another tactic is I'm going to say out loud the thing that's wrong about myself so that I can claim it as a victim narrative and no one can say it about me. Right Like these people when they're put into a corner. It's not always the Trump thing of like you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. There's other also another narcissistic tactic, which is I'm going to make myself seem like such a pathetic victim and like say all this stuff about myself so that actually everyone else is rendered speechless because I've already said it. They have no intent on actually changing, but they need everyone to know that they're aware, because wouldn't it be crazy if they weren't. That's like another tactic that you see.

I I was going to connect a Dot to housewives, but it see, oh yeah, it's giving that right.

I I was going to connect a Dot to housewives, but it see, oh yeah, it's giving that right.

I think that it's insane to compare her to Diddy. No, I mean no, but I do think like I actually I have felt pretty triggered because you see all these like narcissists getting away with everything. It's like, I'm sorry, but you watch the super Bowl the other night. Trump comes out to all of this applause and all of this fanfare while the world gets expeditiously worse by the second. And then you watch like all the commercials and it's like Casey afflecks back in a super Bowl commercial and like Tom Cruise is still Tom Cruise, Like he's not the figurehead of a cult, you know what I mean. It's like it's very frustrating. And then I turned to the room and I was like, this is kind of crazy, right, and someone was like, straight, white men are back, They're back. And then there was that bud Light commercial. The over correction there is wild, right, It's a lot. It's like, Okay, we really are making a big pivot back to like not just a conservative mindset, but like a truly like fuck off to anyone that's tried to make us feel badly for being who we are, a straight white men. It's like that wasn't even what happened. All we wanted was like for there to be some accountability about the pain that's been caused by a straight white man only ideology for this long. Like they're just upset that people have a voice now, and so it's like that was one thing, but then it was like when media included people and tried to make everyone feel included in like a you know, consumerist way, that's when they really had had enough. Sure, yeah, like you can't be in our bud Light commercials? Yeah not bud Light. Right, Well they're back. So they're back. So what happens now to last coach? I don't know. I can't tell.

I think that it's insane to compare her to Diddy. No, I mean no, but I do think like I actually I have felt pretty triggered because you see all these like narcissists getting away with everything. It's like, I'm sorry, but you watch the super Bowl the other night. Trump comes out to all of this applause and all of this fanfare while the world gets expeditiously worse by the second. And then you watch like all the commercials and it's like Casey afflecks back in a super Bowl commercial and like Tom Cruise is still Tom Cruise, Like he's not the figurehead of a cult, you know what I mean. It's like it's very frustrating. And then I turned to the room and I was like, this is kind of crazy, right, and someone was like, straight, white men are back, They're back. And then there was that bud Light commercial. The over correction there is wild, right, It's a lot. It's like, Okay, we really are making a big pivot back to like not just a conservative mindset, but like a truly like fuck off to anyone that's tried to make us feel badly for being who we are, a straight white men. It's like that wasn't even what happened. All we wanted was like for there to be some accountability about the pain that's been caused by a straight white man only ideology for this long. Like they're just upset that people have a voice now, and so it's like that was one thing, but then it was like when media included people and tried to make everyone feel included in like a you know, consumerist way, that's when they really had had enough. Sure, yeah, like you can't be in our bud Light commercials? Yeah not bud Light. Right, Well they're back. So they're back. So what happens now to last coach? I don't know. I can't tell.

I think Jillian Michaels is third co host vibes, Yeah we do and tear. We absolutely slay the house down Boots with Megan Carelly.

I think Jillian Michaels is third co host vibes, Yeah we do and tear. We absolutely slay the house down Boots with Megan Carelly.

The Red Scare Girls were on Megan Kelly. Oh great. They were having martinis and talking about the election. What kind of martinis? I wonder, I don't know. I think they were having martini's. I think that was the part of it by that I pulled. I was like, are they fucking drinking martinis and talking about the end of the world. Anyways, what part of you was afraid right now? Oh? A huge part? Yeah, yeah, I mean right now in even talking about all this and talking about it right now essentially, I just mean like when you get on the mic and talk about this types of stuff, I don't.

The Red Scare Girls were on Megan Kelly. Oh great. They were having martinis and talking about the election. What kind of martinis? I wonder, I don't know. I think they were having martini's. I think that was the part of it by that I pulled. I was like, are they fucking drinking martinis and talking about the end of the world. Anyways, what part of you was afraid right now? Oh? A huge part? Yeah, yeah, I mean right now in even talking about all this and talking about it right now essentially, I just mean like when you get on the mic and talk about this types of stuff, I don't.

Think like, no one's gonna like come knocking on our door because it's like they're not worried about.

Think like, no one's gonna like come knocking on our door because it's like they're not worried about.

Us, you know what I mean.

Us, you know what I mean.

They were never worried about us, And We've never been like warriors in that sense.

They were never worried about us, And We've never been like warriors in that sense.

I've never been a warrior. I'm a gay guy that likes to like have text during the day totally. But when are they going to come for us with that? I know?

I've never been a warrior. I'm a gay guy that likes to like have text during the day totally. But when are they going to come for us with that? I know?

But that's the like gay guys who have sex during the day literally don't threaten anything about like it doesn't concern them at all, So like there's no need. But they're gonna want to come for that, but like there's no need to, you know what I mean. I think it's because they haven't done it yet. I'm telling you the other day, like I had such incredible sex during the day with a gay guy and I was like, this is the key This is like the key yea for people to just understand, like, while you're out here wreaking havoc from a government's perspective, you could be getting it from behind on the floor during the day. That's how you know it's real. I'm just saying, hardwood, okay, carpeted.

But that's the like gay guys who have sex during the day literally don't threaten anything about like it doesn't concern them at all, So like there's no need. But they're gonna want to come for that, but like there's no need to, you know what I mean. I think it's because they haven't done it yet. I'm telling you the other day, like I had such incredible sex during the day with a gay guy and I was like, this is the key This is like the key yea for people to just understand, like, while you're out here wreaking havoc from a government's perspective, you could be getting it from behind on the floor during the day. That's how you know it's real. I'm just saying, hardwood, okay, carpeted.