Technical difficulties in the Dominican Republic iconically keep Bowen from recording this week, so Matt's other soulmate and fellow Gay Cold Survivor Joel Kim Booster jumps in quite literally last second to co-host a culture catchup that the readers de-SERVE despite the fact that Matt is not one of Joel's favorite friends (because of race). It's a lot of gay nonsense and also deep dives on these topics: RIP to T'Challa Samuels, Erika Girardi's potential guilt, Black Widow, Loki, what we're doing with Gugu Mbatha Raw, Space Jam 2 and Joel's upcoming Fire Island movie based on Jane Austen's Pride & Prejudice. Also, Matt and Joel call back to their podcast "Matt, Joel and the Search for the Next Elle Woods" to name a Cousin of the Week. IYKYK. See you next week... for a LEGENDARY episode........... aooo!!!
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Look man, oh I see you? Why why bone look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness dang Dong lost culture Risa's calling. What a treat for everyone listening at home, but a tragedy for the first some out there. For my bow and Yang dary hearts because this is not Bow and Yang. This is my other sister who I knew to call on when boone was having technical differenties. Introduce yourself. Hi, My name is Joaki and Booster. This is really all. This is borderline problematic to be slotting in for bo and Yang. Shut it is you know the symmetry. People are gonna talk, people are gonna make their jokes, and I don't think so, honey. People making jokes like that, and you said you didn't know what you're I don't think so, honey, was gonna be And look at you already popping off. It can't be that. How boring people Literally at d C, a fan came up to me out of meat and green was like, bo and Yang, I love your word, and I was like, we are not still doing that in the year of our Lord. Stop Asian hate. No, this is fully ridiculous. Also, I will say this, I also hosted another podcast with you. The Legally Blonde Recap podcast was truly a moment in podcasting history that feels like ten thousand years ago. I cannot believe we did that, and I cannot believe we need you know, what we need to bring back for this this episode of Lost Culture, says cousin of the one, Cousin of the Week. We need to bring that Cousin of the Week by the end of the episode. After after I don't think so, honey, Before I don't think so, honey, we will do Cousin of the Week. Cousin of the Week was a segment on our jlan I's Legally Blonde recap podcast. By the way, we should say it was Legally Blonde the series, the musical of the series, and we did a recap podcast for that for the next to search for the Next Style Woods, which I believe it came out thirteen years ago, and soso that feels exactly right stylistically, thematically, aesthetically that from what we watched two thousand eight feels dead on. In fact, I think it is. And we did do a segment based on the contestants that we called Cousin of the Week. Which was something I created because I felt that at any given time, any of those contestants were giving cousin energy, right, and and it makes and it tracks absolutely, it makes complete sense when you watch the show. And it will make complete sense today when we name out of all the topics that we talk about, we will be naming a cousin of the week and you you won't ask it. There are no follow up questions to be asked. No, we're not available to answer any questions after we are we are we are actually abjectively unavailable. Isn't this funny? Because you actually texted me earlier you said what are you doing tonight? Sort of intimating that you wanted to hang out and the end because you're what are you in Manhattan now? Right now? Yeah? I love the other Manhattan. Actually like how much Number seven York the Silver Lake of New York, truly Brooklyn, think about it is the sixth borough of New York. Wow, you're just saying funk Long Island where I am right now? You are saying that I I um, and this is actually it's a beautiful stand And I want you to know I have had a full day. Earlier, I went into town to get Italian ices, which is something that people often do on Long Island. And I went into town on main Street, thank you, laden Hurst v. Main Street, and I went to my favorite Italian ice place growing up. It's called Patsy's Italian Ices. And I never knew this, but on the wall there is a plaque and I said, I texted you about this before in the group chat. But there's a plaque on the wall and it's a quote from Pat Benatar being asked about her hometown and highlight. It just says Patsy's serves the best Italian ices and then it's it's it's a lack on the wall. So this town, Lindenhurst, which is right right by where I grew up and where my parents grew up, is so proud that Pat Benatar just tossed off this Italian ice comment, that they plaqued it and put it on the wall. Highlight Okay, And it's across the church from Pat Benatar's church, our Lady of Perpetual the church, it's across. It's across the church. Now, I want to be I want to be fully upfront. I want to be real and raw with all of the readers. Tonight. That's what we do. I took a melotone in about fifteen minutes before you called, and so not only am I unprepared to talk about culture, not only have I not really ingested very much culture over the last couple of weeks, I've ingested a little melatonin. So it might be feeling a little sleepy, sleepy by the podcast. I often feel that people are at their most raw and vulnerable when they've just when they've getten a little sleepy. So I'm happy to get you in this state. But it's actually good that you that we strike a little bit of a somber tone, because have you heard the bad news? What is the news? Megan mcain is leaving the View. No, this is old. Well, we do have to talk board member. She has resigned from the View to sort of I guess commit herself fully of being a board member of last Culture says, but that's not the bad news with which I speak of which I speak. The bad news is to Charlie Samuel's Monique's bird has passed. No, And she said on her Instagram that to Chola passed in a freak accident, and then she didn't go any further I think that probably it's too painful and potentially graphic and tragic, because when I hear freak accident, I don't think you know that the bird went peacefully? No, But like you know, funck birds. I've never met a bird that I cared if they lived or died, um, not even that bird. Freak accident with with birds, by the way, can mean anything. A freak accident for a bird can mean it flew out a window, which is not that freakish for a bird to do. Well, you know that bird once ran away, That bird has the history of flying the coope, so to speak, and you know that wasn't going on. What's going on in that household? What's going on in that household? Who's having that conversation? Who's having that conversation? All I'm saying is, look, and if anyone has ever had a pet like run away, I'm not blaming you. I'm just saying, like, what the hell is going on in that house? And who's having that conversation? Because the bird tried to run away and successfully or flew away as it were, and then flew back and now there's a freak accident. Again, not blaming her, And I know there's been a lot of drama in her life over the past year, but also shady of God to have this happened on the week of the Potomac premiere that she's not in. Yeah, really shady of God to have it happen during America's birthday too, of all things, like to give it and take it away, to remind to sort of it's just too much, I think, to be Monique Samuels right now, to sort of see the Potomac trailer, to sort of see like Wendy really sort of take her place, as it were, as like she's like narrating the trailer. You know that Wendy is going to be bringing the drama this season in a way. And to know that like her bird died on the week of the premiere as correctly or you are correct, but um, I just I it's almost proper for me that you come in here have sort of in having ingested melotonin because I never thought this would be like a yeah, last coach and I just sort of like flashed my hands like this sort of say fanfare, this is a sedate, this is a six D, this is a calm day of remembrance. You guys are gonna get about a third of the content at the exact same time stamp, and you're gonna pay the same year old dollars. Okay, so don't you fucking complain. Why did you tell me that you would not have been in the mood to do this two hours ago? Or is that an off camera comment? Um, it's sort of an off camera comment. I it's it's not important. It's not important now, Um. I was just I've had a whirlwind day, um, full of text messages and face times and um work related stuff, and it's been. It's it is. It is. Honestly, it is for you, Matt, as my friend to hear, which is why I wanted to go to dinner with you tonight as a friend. And it is not for you, Matt as a podcaster to hear. Now how differently, honestly it could be. It could happen on an Instagram live. Now that's the the liminal space between podcasting and a private one on one dinner. Is I would reveal all on an Instagram live, but not on this podcast where no, it's the the audience is too big, Oh Jesus, alright, fine, it does live on in perpetuity Wow, scary to think about things on this podcast. Living in Perpetuity. I believe I said on my very first appearance that St. Louis was the worst city in America. So you did, and that was that sort of calls back to your very first episode, which is called All Across America, where we talked almost exclusively about which American cities were bad and which ones are good, something I really hope no one listens to, but now that I said up there probably will. And I would like to say I have since visited Phoenix, Arizona, and I would like to say Phoenix, Arizona is far worse than St. Louis. Really, yeah, Phoenix, I don't know what it's offering nothing. I went to. I had a show in in historic Downtown Phoenix. They kept saying historic. It's the arts district, Historic Downtown Phoenix. It looks like a fucking Chipotle everything out there, because you you forget, like, at least St. Louis there's history there. It's an older city. You forget that. A lot of stuff on the West Brand thanking new. There is no history, there is no culture. It's just teal. It's just a big teal Chipotle. Oh, kiel not teal it's not great. Well, the thing too is like you just said that St. Louis has a lot of history, and I'm racking my brain and this is how you know I'm in my hometown of Long Island, New York, because I'm like, what's the history on Long Island? Mark McGuire, Hey, that's something, that's something. There was a time when Mark McGuire, he was I mean, look at me in my baseball hat. By the way, if you look behind me, look at all those trophies. Oh my god, so masks, so mask, it's incredible, how mask? I sort of I'm on Long Island and I'm telling you it comes out your your voice is deeper and deeper and darker. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, that's part of having the gay cold. I have the Gate cold. I got it. I caught the Gate cold finally over the weekend. So you are a believer, then in the Gate cold you would not sort of, Yes, I believe that when gay people party for five weekends in a row and get you know, no less than four hours of sleep for five days of those in a row, every single week, that you will develop a cold, especially especially after a iconic period of um immune system suppression and over hand sanitation. We were iconically separated this pride and Fourth of July weekend, So I don't know how yours was, and that's something I can hear about my pride. Yeah, well, how was your damn pride? How was your Fourth of July weekend? I don't I'm not even going to see you on my Fire Island trip, which feels stupid. My pride was sucking fantastic. I was in San Francisco for all of it, and it was, um it was a delight. And listen, I think people sleep on San Francisco as a pride city. It is, I think so. I mean, there were plenty of people that were visiting there. But you know, from my entire life, since I was a child, since I was three years old, since I could stand up, I said, I do pride in New York, That's where I do it. Okay, That's where the Stonewall riots happened. That's where I need to be. Okay, that's where all the good floats are, all the all the good big floats, big banks. Yeah, but there was actually, um uh, there was a riot before stone Wall that happened um. In San Francisco. Um, it was called the Okay Professor. Yeah, God, you're an iconic professor. Yeah. So in fact, I think it's Um, it was more appropriate for me to spend my pride in San Francisco. I had a lovely time. I saw a lot of my friends there. Um, I UM, A lot of stuff happened. It is difficult because a lot of my friends who were there listened to this podcast. And so I don't want to. I don't want to want to. I don't want to docks. I don't want to docks them. Don't docks. You don't dock to them or yourself. It's actually who ess actually rule of culture number don't docks them or your or yourself. Don't do it? True or false? You like your San Francisco friends better than me? Yes? True? Absolutely true? Um, absolutely true. Is it because they're more fun? Is it because they're less fun? Why do you like them better than me? Because I know you do. Um, I would say I like them better than you because they're they're certainly kinder to me. Um, they're a kinder bunch. Um, they're more diverse. Um, you know that than you? Uh it does you know optically is a better look for me? Of course? Yeah, that's important to consul. I literally, I literally importivirta. Before San Francisco, I met a guy and was making out with him, and like the third thing I said to him was like, why did you have to be white? God? That is because if you're because why because if your photograph people will drag. Yeah, I get dragged for it all the time. I get dragged for it all the time. I got dragged for it in San Francisco for hanging out with too many white gays yea, and two of them in the picture that I posted were Latino. So I don't even know. I can't I can't win in this town. I can't win in this town. I think you can win in this town. You just have to. Well, first of all, that's is that even that's something that you get a lot. Yeah, check my damns, babe, check how am I going to get in there? I knowsly is iron classed? Well, that disappoints me. You feel like you can't be in a picture with me because people are gonna say that guy's white. Fuck that I mentioned me upset? Well, I mean you are Greek and that is something you know, someone did look at me one time and say is he some sort of not white? And then someone that they the person they they asked that to turn to them and said no, and they were, of course right, I am exactly some sort of white. I am what we were talking to, because I've been wearing a lot of ribbed tanks formally known as wife beaters. Yeah, and thank you for speaking that out loud. It's actually really culture number one hundred and seven there, formerly known as the wife beaters. Thank you very much for considence on that one as well. But somebody was like, why do they call them wife beaters? And I literally said, I think it's derogatory towards Greek people. Know it's you know who it's derogatory towards. Is the the sort of uh milk white asses, like your eminem types, you know what I mean, you're detroitters. I think that wife Peter pre dates that, though, Yeah, you know, it is really interesting. I think we've talked about this like the I was explaining that item of clothing to someone and the word wife beater just kind of flew out in my mouth, suggesting that it's been in my mouth for a very long time, and that we just accepted it a as what that item of clothing is called, and be that it was an acceptable thing to sort of conjure up that imagery when simply stating what someone was wearing. And I remember I said it, and I immediately was like, oh my god, can you believe that I just called it that? And that we all the the collective we called it that. Yeah, it's one of my favorite things to be self righteous about. Actually these days, it's one of my favorite things to be selfrighteous about. Yeah, that's well, it's actually interesting we just had eminem because I love to be self righteous about eminem too. So everything I think about you, every time I say I stand something, every time I say I stand something, And by the way, I have not changed the behavior. I'll continue to say it, but I think it constant everything. Yeah, I and I I was like leading the charge of being like, we can't do this. It's an eminem thing. And remember how painful he was. I love nothing more than to get on my soapbox about eminem. One of the coolest things about me, I'd say, is how upset and angry and righteous I get. And then the next day I turned around I stand, Ashley Simpson stand, how did you know how to hurt me? How did you know how to hurt me and expose me? I recently discovered I was talking with a friend about this. Ashley Simpson is the perfect pop cultural reference for almost all occasions, For almost all occasions, I was literally telling him. I was telling him about the Hollywood Bowl performance of Chicago and how which apparently she slayed. She slayed, She did slay. But I was like telling him about it, and I was like, you know, they always cast it with like these weird C list celebrities like Chicago with Ashley Simpson, and he thought I was He thought I was fucking brilliant first of all, because he thought he was like, Wow, what an incredible improvised line, like these two references together. And I was like, no, babe, this is real. I'm just saying history. Okay, talk about me. Maybe it's the Glossary of St. Louis, because it's history, baby. It is fun to think about. It is fun to think about has beens in the Hollywood Bowl like uish has been? What is your combo C list celebrity And honestly, here's mine. Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin starring with Erica Jane in a Hollywood Bull version of Chicago. I want Rinna playing Velma. I want Erica Jane doing Roxy what she did and also Roxy. Of course. I mean Rinna famously would not stop talking about how she did Roxy. But I also think she's got Velma in her. We see the way she moved uptuous. And I think Harry Hamlin, I would like to see him do Billy Flynn. I think, um, that was Luan and there as the matron Mama Morton, because she was this close to booking that gig. So she says, so, she says, let's be real. She was out here like really saying it was happening. She was like, yeah, and I'm doing Chicago. That was my Countess Luin and I'm doing Chicago and I don't even think that was official. Yeah. I want to see, um, I want to see uh, Phil of the Future. Sure in next to Normal whatever that kid's name is. You want to see, Yeah, wow, what is that kid's name? We're gonna call him Fellow the Future. Um, but you want to see sort of a bad next to normal. I don't want to see next to Normal done badly. See these other shows you can see done badly because it's the Camp Chicago. We can see done badly next to normal? Did I ever tell you about the time I saw next to normal? And B? But I'm I can't wait to hear about it. Well, I won the lottery, so you know how you could go likes put your name in the lottery. I won, and we got to sit in the Lincoln seats, which I call them because famously, you know, he's sort of what I'm saying is I was in like that Mezzanian box, and um, I cried harder than I think I've ever cried in my life next to my friend Mackenzie, who who was like my my friend, like we were like sophomores in college, and we I literally I wept so hard at Alice Ripley sue anyway, I'm believing. I thought you'd like to know remember her like iconic? Did you see it with her? I didn't see it with her? No, you up? I saw. I saw. I saw a summer summer stock theater production of it. Who was in it? What did you even have a good nobody? Nobody was? My God? It was terrible? Did and what what I would give to go back and see some of the stuff that was on Broadwa when we were in New York. What we need to do is get Alice Ripley on TikTok because do you remember the YouTube videos. Do you remember the YouTube videos of Alice Ripley just completely losing her mind on a video blog. We need Alice Ripley on TikTok. Yeah, I mean I think all these all these actresses of a certain age that are like um sort of you know, aging out of their types on Broadway, they should go to TikTok because that's where it's happening. And I do think like that this the Zoomer generation would respond to them because they have the tricks, you know what I mean, local tricks, and this is the sort of thing like you can you can get Alice Repley can get her tricks across and TikTok like that Shoshana Beam is flopping not being on TikTok. Well, you see, I was talking more about Al's Ripley's like spoken words sort of jet fields that sort of is she is she um? Is she a denier? You know what? That's the energy that she brings to those videos. I don't want to say. I don't want to say for sure, I don't want to say with certainty that she is a Denier, but that is definitely the energy, the vibe that she brings to those videos. Oh my god, how iconic to bring nine eleven denier energy. But she's got it. Yeah, there are angels in this city. Yeah, angels in this city. And steel doesn't melt like that. By the way, speaking America drains, I haven't really gotten to download with you about the Housewives of it All. Well, let's do it. What are your fucking thoughts? She's absolutely guilty. Have you seen The Hustler and the and the and the and the Housewife? I was waiting to watch it with Sudi. Can you sort of download me? Well, there's really nothing new except like, they're both at fault, they're both staled, they're both evil. Um. It is worth watching the first fifteen minutes just to have Danielle Stob try to explain how she knows Erica Jane UM, because it's literally like she doesn't she doesn't know Erica Jane And it's she's literally like, yeah, we met um one time and I there was something about like and it's so clear. She has no idea, they have never they have no relationship. Um, but that's fun. Um it is. It is worth watching, like the first forty minutes for sure. I don't think you need the full hour and a half, but especially because daniel Stob is apparently quite a large part of it. And by the way, if you didn't think it was gonna happen, we already have our front runner for Cousin of the week, which is Danielle Stob and she especially here on Long Island where I am, that is a Long Island cousin. If I've ever seen one absolutely positive about information, she does not have that. And also just her entire state of being, you know what they'll also, I would say Alice is definitely in the running for cousin because she's that she's that older cousin that you still have to call aunt, even though she's not really your aunt, she's technically your cousin. Would call her aunt Alice anyways, because she's so much older than everybody else. Yes, because it would feel odd for her to be she's not one of the cousins. She certainly doesn't sit at the kid's table. No, no, no, no, no, childless has been less but related and around. I've told you though that like literally when I was younger. I didn't know this until I started watching Real Housewives in New Jersey. But Melissa Gorga is peak hot cousin energy. Like when you're a little gay boy on Long Island, you want to be Melissa Gorga more than anything else, at least in the past two seasons when she's got like her like sorr. But I mean she would admit to this, like she's got her work like all the way done and together and settled in and she's like dressing better than ever. She is peak cousin energy Gorgah. I mean, I don't see that. That's not my in the Midwest, it's not our culture to look like that. It's just not um yeah, I'm like, we're much more of a sweatpants tucked into an ug's like very platinum blonde, right, that's sort of sort of like a younger Sutton Strack, maybe even like Brandy Glanville. Oh tough, yeah, um well, but okay, So so Erica Jane. She is guilty as per She is absolutely guilty. She knew something. She absolutely knew something. I hate and Andy is protecting her. Andy is protecting her in a way on this show that I you know, he's my king, you know, he's my king. Let's tell me, let me sell you something. He's my king too. And it's going to be a race. Your way ahead of me right now, but it's gonna be a race. Okay, we'll see we'll see you. No, you know I love to share boys with you. Yeah, that is fully true. U Um but anyway, hey king, if you're listening, Um, but wait, wait, wait, does the documentary alleged that Andy is protecting her or did you Jill Kim Booster he alleged that he's protecting her. You watch the documentary and then you watch the show and you're like, this show is protecting Erica Jane, Like they're giving her this narrative and who knows, who knows what turn it's? Who knows what turns it will take by the end. You know, I do think ourselves smells a rat. I do think that she is onto her a little bit, But um, I don't know that we're gonna get a ton of Eric Jane is guilty on the show itself. Well, Erica Jane does not like her at it. Did you hear about this? No Erica? And you know who's by the way, you know who's been curiously silent on the Erica Jane of it all? Is big? Is big? Erica Jane stand Megan McCain curiously silent now that it seems Erica Jane maybe go into the big house as they call it, Megan, she didn't want to comment time. She was like, I know this is going to become a top story and I have to leave now before it becomes um ubiquitous in the culture. Um no, no, no. But basically my thing is like, if Erica Jane is guilty and she doesn't like her edit because I guess they show her sort of flaunting her wealth in the early episodes like and and I think she's unhappy about it all, then does she continue on the show. And if she doesn't continue on the show, what happens? Does she go to jail? Is it like that bad? Or is it like, you know, non felonious, like attached to your like insanely you know, fell in husband. I don't know what is it? You know? Um something about me is that I'm not a legal expert. Um and I've been saying that this is why we need a Sonny hostin on the show. This is what we need a Sonny to cut too and go can you explain this to us? But I'm absolutely going to speak out of turn and say she flips, flips, she gets a plea guard, she gets a plea bargain, she flips, She goes back to waiting tables, She does Erthy Jane performances on the weekends. She loses Mikey. Oh, I want the scene where they were, where he had, where she has to fire him. I want the scene where she looks at her fucking books, realizes she can't keep Mikey and has to sort of call him over and in a much more dramatic breakup than anything she could have ever had with Tom Girardi, has to let Mikey go that and and it's just such a shame because I don't think he's done. I don't think he's done with the work that he wants to do, Like he came back. He's got those all star lips now. But I think he wants the teeth too big. I think he wants the teeth. I think he wants I think he's I think he's in this for a long time. I think he's in in this for an eventual eye lift. I mean, I think I think he's in this for a long haul. And I actually I think he's gotten more to say. I think Mikey has more to say creatively, and I want him on the team. Still, I'm just upset, like I don't know, Like I guess I didn't realize I liked Erica Jane this much, but I really don't want her to be I don't want her to be a criminal. I'm so, I'm sort of I've been done with Erica Jane for a couple of seasons. Now. I don't need her on the show. She she gives nothing. Why is she given? In the last two seasons, she gives nothing. And we've now got to read Derek gives the looks, brings the drama to re brings her goofy little accent. We don't need Erica. Yeah, I forget that, that's true. And go back and watch, go back and watch that confrontation on the boat. I showed this to you over Quarantine. You're right, this was this was something. This is what kept us going in Quarantine. Was this confrontation on the boat where derrit says, you are cold and you bring nothing, and she was right to go back and watch that fight on the China boat. She was right, deret was right. Believe you actually are a percent right that Dorrits sort of handled Erica in that moment that I think and I think I think I said to you like and I think Dorit's response was not in Erica's playbook. It's like America doesn't get spoken back to like that. Like Erica says, when Erica Jane says to anyone, you're jealous of me, the response that she thinks she's gonna get is you're right, and I'm afraid of you two. And Derrett was like, hold on, wait, pause it all. I'm not jealous of you. I'm not afraid of you. I don't like you. Why what what is there to like about you? I find you to be really cold and not fun to be around, and you're a bully. And that was that was I think that's why there is still there today and Teddy is not. Because Teddy was shaking like a leaf the whole time, like a leaf, and and without the looks she you have to bring some column, make some column. B She had no calm, She had no columns. She was collapsed, tough about your Midwest cousin. That's talk tucked into an ug. That's Teddy Mellencamp, That's t Mellencamp. And we say that was all the love in the world for John Cougar Mellencamp. And where are we? Where are we? The re uh Sutton v Crystal? Um? Okay, so I this is here's the thing. I am a slutton. I am a I am a sluton. Identify as a slutton. Um tell me that girl. Tell me you're that girl. But but I'm not that girl. And I was with Crystal the entire way throughout that entire thing, and I was like, Crystal to me, is killing it. She's crushing it. I think that she could eventually one day move to center couch because I think that she will be the one to start in old ly with Kyle or Jury. And I think she'll be able to handle herself because I think she's smart. I think she's rich in a real way. I think she can back up everything she says. And I think she's and I say this with all the love in the world for her. She's a bitch. She's a bitch and and and I I think it's like aspirational. She's like she genuinely believes in her heart of hearts, like ultimately, I could walk away from Sutton right now and she would think about it forever and I could get over it. And I kind of am. I just think she sort of overplayed her hand here re the Sutton walking into her bedroom of it all. I think that she is gonna learn from this because I think she went a little too far and gave them fodder with this thing of the violating of it all, like Crystal, like Sutton walked into my bedroom and I wasn't dressed, and it was a violation that language is going to give these white women who are like super concerned about cancelation and super like that's a very that's a very damning accusation. That's a very big word that you're throwing around their Crystal like she's going to give them ammunition to be like, shame on you for making Crystal seem to be this person. And actually even Garcelle thought it was too much and you and I was really hoping for an alliance there and it almost happened. Crystal would have been smarter to Harp. More on Sutton's I don't see race issue and less on the violation issue, it would have been a better play. I think it just got exhausting for her though that plotline. I wouldn't want to continue that plotline either. Would you like to be the one on the show that's having to handle someone that is so much like it's like this with Dr Tiffany and Moon on Dallas. I think she got so bogged down in the Brandy storyline, and then also with um what's her face? Cameron, and you're talking about men who are I'm sorry, but so much dumber than her that it's like, at a certain point you have to feel shitty for even like allowing yourself to continue the storyline because it's not gonna go anywhere because you're not playing with people with a full deck. And I think that Crystal saw the way that Sutton was responding to all of everything Crystal was saying about like just trying to walk it back and being like, you can't be a person that says I don't see race. That's not the way we do things anymore. Like understand that my situation is more different, is more and more difficult, and I think she just realized that Sutton was not operating at a level where she could get that in that moment or at all, so she kind of back. I mean, these women need Hazard pay. Every person of color on a show that is predominantly white, on one of these franchises, deserves Hazard Pay for the educating that they have. They are they're backed into a corner to do. They have no choice but to do it. But we can't. We have to, we have to start talking about Housewives. No, because the one thing I want to first of all, why do you say that to me? I'm just aware of people who listen to this show who don't watch them The Housewives? Oh why because they live in San Francisco. That I know people who don't live in San Francisco who also don't listen to the Housewives. I want to say one more thing, which is that I couldn't give a ship less about New York this season. Yeah. Yeah, Leah really overplayed her hand. She really overplayed her hand. This this happens with second season. This happens all the time with girls who have good first seasons or good seasons even they go in high on their own supply. They think their ship, don't stink. They think they can get away with anything. They think they can say anything, including I'm not going to vote in election. And she lost me. She lost me. No, that was that was That was definitely a flashback to a very bad emotional time for all of us when we were dealing with people like Leah who were like these gorgeous, rich, white blond women who are like, I'm just so fucking pissed up the whole thing. I'm like, I'm probably not going to vote. I'm just like you. Oh it's tough. Oh, it's tough. And I think because she presents as so cool, she gets away with a lot of ship, a lot of ship. Yeah, and it's just but like the coolness of it all is like so manufactured that it just it's you can see the cracks are showing this season. The cracks are showing in a way where it's like, and also, just go fucking home. I'm so tired of her being like my grandmother is dying and I have to be on this vacation right now. Go home. Bit, just go home, all right? You know what? Moving away from this, how would you rate your excitement level from on a one through ten scale for Black Widow because I don't know about my own number. Really, I would have thought you would be an eight or I because I'm fairly I'm fairly an eight. I would say, and are you? But are you like are you like A are you a Black Widow fan? I'm a I'm a lady fan, same, you know. But then I'm a prestige actress fan. So you would consider me three of them in one movie. That's true. That's true, And we did here. Louis did say that he felt the movie was not bad. But Louis that's huge, yeah, because he hates Marvel. But um, Rachel Weiss didn't have a lot to do. Florence is fun and Scarlett kind of just does what she does, which is honestly what I was expecting from this. I guess I think that maybe the Black Widow, I just don't find her to be the most compelling Marvel character. And I think that you kind of know what she's been through already, right, Yeah. I mean the thing is is she's sort of the utility player narratively, you know, like she they slap her in in a lot of spaces in the movie, and and she does she serves a function in each movie that is sort of like immaterial to her character, Like she plays a very specific role in UM, Winter Soldier, she plays much Ultron, she plays, She's she plays you know it? Does they do sort of like use her for whatever they need in that movie specifically? And I just think that like there is not a lot of there there yet because we haven't how a movie to focuses on yet. Here's the question I have for you, as someone who is a major and Marvel fan and someone that watches it very closely and knows it from different angles, not just the movies. Do you think that the character of the Black Widow is used movie to movie in a way that is truthful to her character because she's looking for connection and looking for a family. Or do you think that Scarlett Johanson is often placed in these movies because they want some sort of will veera won't they with whoever the male leaders of that movie? Because when I watched Winter Soldier, there's like a few moments like especially this moment in the car, It's like this actually kind of cool moment, and and for the Marvel movies, UM at that point anyway, in the Winter Soldier where um uh, Captain America and the Black Widow are driving in the car and it's really quiet scene. There's like this like sort of like slow song playing on the radio and they're having this conversation about like, um like where they belong in the world, and it's like sort of romantic, and I'm like, are are they intimating that that's a thing. And then also there's like a huge romantic plotline throughout the movies with the Hulk and Black Widow and they even kiss. And then in Avengers Endgame famously, her last scene spoiler alert is with Hawkeye played by Jeremy Renner, and it's intimated that they also have had a romantic history. I don't think that that that's quite as clear. I think that they have always. That's one of the consistencies I think from It's Very Charged, from from Age of Ultra is that they're very close like boot like what is it like Budapest or whatever They referenced a couple of times um in the movies, like this is just like Budapest or some ship like. I do think that they have like a closeness. I think that they have both similarly like dark pasts that only they are aware of. But I don't think, um, I don't think. I don't think that the the Endgame thing was supposed to be romantic. I don't think there was anymili No. I think it was familiar. I think it was completely familiar. Interesting because yes, Hawkeye in the movies is very much with Linda Cardelini, which CARLINI one of the biggest wats I would say second biggest waste of of a great actress in the Marvel universe. And you know what number one is Rachel McAdams. We we've I've said it on this podcast before, I'll say it again. We need to get her new agents. Who is repping Rachel McAdams. Yeah. I think that Rachel McAdams suffers from being I think she suffers from fifth choice syndrome. I think that this I've said this on this podcast before. I think that Rachel McAdams doesn't deserve this at all. But I think this is what happens with her. I think that she's so good at everything, and she had that breakout moment in like two thousand four where she was like the lead of the Notebook and the lead and and Regina George and she was in Red Eye, and she was so likable and amazing in um Wedding Crashers, and then she was in Family Stone and did this great character performance and I believe had supporting actress buzz for that and was just everywhere that. I think people didn't see her in a specific enough way, and I think they didn't know what movies to really either write for her or push her for or whatever. So what happened was she sort of became this person who was like on everyone's list, but not first. And she also sort of popped off in the Jennifer Lawrence era, and so this I just think what happened to her is there weren't enough good parts for women at that time in film, and she was specifically popping off in film, and it would it would be a few years until that was a little bit better. And it's still not that much better because now TV is Queen, TV as Queen. She had her opportunity on TV, though wasn't her I know it wasn't her fault, but like, why haven't we been? Where's her? Marathies Town? You know we tried. It's got to be coming, It's gotta be coming. It's gotta be coming because think about how on paper she's made every right decision in the world. It's true and and and and and if Mean Girls came out today, she would have been nominated for you know, we're so much kinder now to not only just comedic performances but also comedic performances from women. I mean, like that Melissa McCarthy nomination was like huge, and they always did this. I mean, to be honest with you, like if there were going to be broad comedy performances honored, like it would happen in that category. I mean all the way going back to Cactus Flower with Goldie han Or like you know, Marissa Tomay and my cousin Vinnie like always yes, but high school never. I do think it would be It would be better now. I think you're right. And what we call the Hailey Steinfeld era and he had to ride a horse, she had to ride a horse. She had to do that goose the accent, I think, you know. And I just watched Clueless again today, Brittany Murphy, I have said this. I said this across the table from my friend, our friend, Matt Whittaker, and he scoffed in my face. I said, if Britney Murphy were alive today, she would have been nominated for an Oscar. She would have had a cross. She is. She was the moment and she continues to be the moment. You are a hundred percent right, jil Cam Booster, and it's why you've been on this podcast seven hundred times and why you were an Icon Award winner. UM, aren't you? Are you a Last Culture Kind Of Award winner? I don't think I think that's won it like three times. I don't think I have won. I have an announcement as of tonight, Joe Kim, you have won the Last Cultures Like Kind Award for coming in on the clutch and you are gonna get a gift. This is really exciting because for saying do you want to give a quick speech? Yeah. I would like to thank UM, the WiFi in the Dominican Republic for keeping for keeping going off this podcast. UM. I would like to thank Matt Um for you know, needing to fill time, UM, and forgetting that I had hadn't won the award in the first place, and mistakenly believing that I had. UM. And I'd like to thank, of course Brittany Murphy for being sort of the launching pad of my greatest take on this podcast that I've probably said on the podcast before. But you know, it's been a year and a half since I've really needed to comment on culture. So please wrap up. Okay, they're playing me off. There really are do Do Do? Do? Do Do? Wow? That Oscar song is so iconic, isn't it that like do do do? We all know it? Um? Wait? Okay, So Brittany Murphy would have been at LEAs nominated for an Oscar at this point, and I really think she would be Prestige TV actress in the vein of Elizabeth Moss because I believe that she missed her moment to really show us what she could do when there was gonna be a lot more opportunity for her, because every single time she was in anything, she scored. Weren't you there when we just watched Dropped Ed? Gorgeous? Yeah, incredible in that and no one thinks of her when they think of that movie. No nobody thinks of Amy Adams either. Listen, we talked about kirst Ally. We talked, We talked, we really do. But what we do not talk about with Kirstily is Kirsti Ally turning to Amy Adams on the set of Dropped Gorgeous and saying, you need to move to l A. And here's the alley. Is the reason we have a rival, is the reason we have June Bug is the reason we have the worst parts of Julia, and Julia is the reason. She is the reason. And so yes, you're stale is a kook. Yes, she is a scientologist, but I think karmically she balanced things out by giving us say name. She also unfortunately turns that fucking movie all the way out. She's so good and she's also so good. And it takes two. Oh my god, I fucking love it takes two. Steve Gudenberg and her hot also Steve Gutenberg hot? What the fuck is he? Yes? Yes, literally yes, look it up. He feels like the the only like the kind of hot that is only hot in the nineties though, like that men don't like don't men don't look like that, you know what. He's that type of like young Jerry Seinfeld attractive where you're like, sure, you bang these women, you know what I mean, Like you're attracted to him despite yourself, sort of because you've been conditioned to a big conversation in coming. You know who's sort of an analog to that. I would say, who's sort of the Steve Gudenberg of today, John Reynolds. John Reynolds has the very same vibe where I would I would suck the ship out of John Reynolds. But he does have that same Gutenberg Young Steinfeld, young Billy Crystal. I never got Billy Crystal until I saw when Harry met Sally. Oh yeah, you know what's funny. He's way out of his league in that movie, but you still get it, You really do still get it. And like you ever seen City Slickers. No, he is that kind of like like Blue Gene New York, like ker mudgeon vibe. Hair has been receiving probably since he was eight years old, that vibe where you're still like, I'd still fuck you. And I also think this isn't annoying to say. But like in the nineties, like whenever Jerry Seinfeld had those like hot girl friend, whenever he was dating like Terry Hatcher, like peak Terry Hatcher in the nineties, I didn't question a thing. I was like, yeah, for sure, they're fucking him. Um, but okay, wait, this is what I wanted to say. So speaking of Hailey Steinfeld and Black Widow so so so this is relatively to you and your interests. You know that Hailey Steinfeldt is m c U because you know she's the new Hawkeye. I did know that. Um, I think that's amazing is that Kate Bishop? Is that she k Bishop? And did you know that one of these sort of fun crossovers that's happening in the m c U series is Florence Pu is in the Hawkeye series. So this sort of lends to my point earlier about the Black Widow and Hawkeye connection of it all because you know that Florence p was gonna show up sort of I guess the long lost sister of Scarlett Natasha Romanov, And you know that Jeremy Renner is going to give his classic like steely eyed glances over at her, like why is this girl reminded me of someone from my past? I mean, I hope, I hope we don't get that. I hope that they make a better choice. But I can absolutely see that happening. And I think speaking of Hailey Steinfeld is speaking of Haley Steinfeld dot dot dot that's the front runner for title of app and that is how I know that you truly were the person to come here because you know, to offer the title of app speaking of Hailey Steinfeld dot dot dot parentheses with special with ultra special guest Jill Kim Booster. Can I congratulate you, by the way, I'm so excited for you. The Fire Island movie is going to be incredible. And can I say uh with a gentleman I'm singing. I recently just just watched Bride and Prejudice, Yes, and I loved it, and I almost I also ordered I ordered a special fresh copy of Pride and Prejudice, um, and I'm going to watch the Kira version as well, and I'm like watching I love and I can't wait to watch it again. And I'm just like really soaking into the story again. God damn, what a fucking classic that is, and how how well it works, um to map it onto the situation that you're mapping it on. I want to know, just like not to like really seriously interview, but like what made you think of that? Um? Honestly, it happened in like when we were there for the first time. It was the book that I brought to read and I was literally just in the midst of reading Pride and Prejudice, looking around at this island and looking at the ways in which, like our culture is sort of compressed in a very like specific way on the island. There are no straight people. There are no straight people except the teenage girls that work in the canteen, and which are my favorite girls. I'm so excited to see them next week. Oh my amandous. They need they need a Bravo reality show. Like I know it's insane to say, like Fire Island needs a show, but it needs to be about the straight girls who work in the pantry. But those of you who know, you know, those girls have seen it all. They've seen it all. You know. Those were all my girlfriends in high school, all my girlfriends in high school. I'm talking about Alison, I'm talking about Alex, I'm talking about both Emily's. I'm talking about Sam, I'm talking about Kate, I'm talking about Brittany, I'm talking about Lorienne. All of them worked in the Ocean Bay Park market and they were those girls in the loose buns, their hair slopped up in a loose bun with an oversized sweatshirt. Pri Arianna wearing Nike slides looking looking like looking like green eminem every smilarly literally and also like sort of a little bit of makeup from the night before. And uh lacrosse shorts sleepy all day from six am when they get there to five pm when they leave, or switch over with another girl named the same name as them. I'm telling you so, yes, you are right, they are the only straight women there. Continue your point anyways, um no, And it just like listen Jane Austen, like if you read it again. I know many of us were forced to read Jane in high school and it didn't and many people didn't connect. I didn't connect with it until I was in college. But like her social observations are so prescient, and especially the ways in which we conceal the harm that we do to each other under social niceties. And it is so gay. It's just so gay, like she create, she clocked what shade is before we had a word for it. Bangley was the original, you know, lay laomi, that's a rule of culture nine. The original. God, I don't know, and I just I literally I was like the ways in which class sort of map onto the way in which class not like exists in the gay community, not just class as we know it, like financially, but I think like looking a certain way is its own sort of class. Race is its own sort of class in our community, and like it. Just you know, it started as a joke. It literally started as a joke. I would joke about it constantly. And I'm going to write a movie about Fire Island that takes place on on that is a Pride and Prejudice remake, and I never meant to do it. And then a while ago I wrote an essay about Jane Austen and Pride and Fire Island and my agent and literally the only good thing my agent has ever done. David, I hope you're listening to this, and I hope you know that. I think you've done nothing from my career except for this one thing. But he read that essay and he was like, you should make this a show, and I was like, that is the dumbest thing you've ever said. Never talked to me again, nobody will ever read that. And then on a plane right to Japan, I wrote a sex script um for what was originally gonna be a show, and then eventually, um, you know, things happened and I sold it to Quimby, and the rest is history and the rest remember oh do I ever? Yeah? You know what's funny. It's like when when Quimby launched, I was like, I'm so happy were one of the first, and now I'm like, God, Joel really dodged a bullet by not being one of the first to launch with Quimby, because honestly, had you had this come out with Quimby, it doesn't get made at Hulu. It is incredible. I mean, yes, the pandemic did take my father, but did it give me a movie at Hulu? It did, absolutely, so it all really evens out me in um. Also, I recently went home with a guy and he turned on his TV and and the Roku thing came up, and I was like, oh my god, you have Roku and I got I was actually I was not as excited as that about it. I was sort of like, oh my god, you have Roku. Um. But in the back of my head, I was like, we could watch the original one. You know what, you could have watched Game Show all episodes of season one streaming on Roku. But I don't think it's necessarily and singled out, yeah, I have to say like, um, I was one of those people that in high school, I believe in my ap compt isn't very much a genius. I was get this. I did win in my grade. I won the English Award, like I was the best English student in my class. Says the English department. Okay, says the English Department, not me. Don't get mad at me, don't make don't write me letters. Write the write the ap lit department or the English department, high school letters. Okay from from you know however, many years ago, as I shrivel and die, Um, but I did read Pride and Prejudice, and um, I kind of it kind of missed me. And then in reading your piece about it that you wrote, um, and then in in reading the script, honestly, I really like I saw it out again and I watched the movie again, which I of course watched when it came out, and enjoyed like I would watch any movie that has Oscar Buzz or any movie with Cure and Nightley. I do love her, um, but I've really found myself enjoying it more and more and more, and like your script too. I I've just enjoyed so much because what I love about it and what I'm so excited for everyone to see is that it's extremely truthful to the experience of being on Fire Island and the experience of being I think UM a gay man and a group of gay friends, and especially UM a gay man and a group of gay friends that's been a group of friends for a long time, and there's been changes to that. It does feel like that mapping of the forgive me but chosen family onto the actual family really tracks, and UM, it's just gonna be really fun. And I don't I just don't know that we've had like a definitive and not that it has to be definitive at all. It doesn't and it's not trying to be. But I think it will be really fun to have this movie take place here because there's history in the story that we're telling, and there's a so history and the place we're telling it. So I think it's really exciting, Jollie, And I'm really happy for you. I'm proud of you. I'm very excited. It is the it's the biggest thing to ever happen in my life. And I'm nervous and i'm scared, but I'm mostly I'm mostly really excited, you know, like I, this is the year of it is the year, and I refuse to accept otherwise I will get everything I want. I will get every single fucking thing that I want. Yeah, baby, you deserve it. Um. Well then right after that, you're gonna go, what shoot your fucking show loot with mya Rootolf? What is yes? Three three days after we wrap, I start shooting that show. Um, which is not Apple. It is on Apple. It is Stars my Rootolf, it's Alan Yang. Um. I don't think I'm speaking out of turn when I say that they wrote the part for me, which is really awesome. Um. There's lines about being gay and Asian and from Illinois in the side. So I read it and I was like, well, if I don't book the then there's a problem. We have a bigger problem than you find out. Then everyone gets really mad. Um. But yeah it was it was a lot, and um, I really needed it because I was really coming down from a lot of molly when I found out, Um, I was coming down. Here's the fun peek behind the curtain. When I shot my episode of I Carli completely in a colmdown just actually I believe what what what was that? After? What what if that was that after because I think that was after that was after my friend Chris's thirtieth birthday in San Diego, which is the Florida of the US justice. It is incredible. We tried to play volleyball. We tried to play volleyball on the beach, and the straight reaction to a bunch of game men playing volleyball was such that it was like it was either people making fun of us or people being like, oh my god, yes, yes, go for it, Yes, it is okay. What you're doing is okay. So it's okay, we're playing fucking volleyball. You freeze just to drive home like that that San Diego is the Florida of the West coast, like are there jet skis there? Then then it might specifically be the Tampa of the West Coast, which higher praise I cannot give. Yeah, and the West Coast needs a Tampa, that's for sure. Every coast needs a Tampa, Every coast needs a Tampa. Well you know, actually famously, the Gulf Coast has a Tampa, and then I guess the East Coast really doesn't. What's the Tampa of the East Coast might be? By the time I get there anyway. You can make anything, Tampa, I truly can't. I've never been on a jet ski. What okay? Um, speaking of jet skis, have you been watching Loki? Okay? And this is this is this I wanted to touch on with you have not, but not only but that's only because I've sort of been traveling a lot, and like I don't have my I don't have Disney Plus on my computer. I guess I could obviously easily log onto it, but I kind of want to watch it, like in the comfort of my own home on my Apple TV Plus. Can you sort of explain to me in the readers about Loki being bisexual and how does this connect with the themes of the piece. I don't think why he by it is not connected. I think it just tracks with the character. He's, um, you know, a trickster god and as we know bisexuals trick people they are. It's actually should I make that real culture? But he's really Coach number fifty four bisexual sexual chat trickster um Ja. That's in the rule, Megan, Megan McCain, if you're out there, that's in the rule. Oh, I see I see her off screen. She's shaking her head. Now she threw her she threw her pen on the ground. It is not a pet, it's a quill anyway. Um, anyways, Yeah, it doesn't have anything. It doesn't have anything to do with the plot. He mentions like fucking guys and girls and and it's that's that's it. That's that's literally it alright interesting and so I think it's one of I think texturally it feels much different than anything else in the m c U because you know, they have the house style. I think that like, there are a lot of fun um characters in it. I think there's a lot of fun performances in it. I think Owen Wilson is a lot of fun in it. I think there's there's an iconic character named Miss Minutes in it that is voice Miss Minutes, Babe, and she is voiced by one terror Strong. Like you've gotta get into it, Google, What how do you solve a problem? Like? I think easily. I think you just keep giving her parts because something is gonna work. And I actually think she was incredible on the Morning Show. And also, readers, if you haven't watched Beyond the Lights, you gotta watch Beyond the Lights incredible and beyond. If I love Gina Princepice, but I'll have everything she does very fun in Miss Sloan. If you've seen that, we have not found we have not found a home for Google. And I don't think it's low key. I don't think it's low key. We still need to try, like we are. She is the glass Slipper and we are traveling around the television landscape trying to find the correct genre and roll for Google. You know, maybe Google is just a character actress that we see plugged in places. I mean, there could be worse things. Laura Dern was that for many years and then all of a sudden she became Laura Dern. Maybe we're just far away from the Google song's Yeah, I think we'll get there. I mean, she looks, she looks incredible, she looks like she has an aged today. She's she's a beautiful, beautiful woman, shocking. So what does she do in the show. She's sort of a boss. She's like the boss of Owen Wilson. She is, yeah, at a middle manager. She's a middle manager, which again feels like sort of a way so that she does get some action. It's fun to see Google in action. It's fun to see her, see her wheeled a sword. You know, you love to see Google wheel a sword. Sure, hate to pivot this harshly away from Google and maybe the fact that I am is telling. But um, would we fuck Owen Wilson in it? Absolutely? Yeah? I would. I would almost always fuck him. Yeah, depressed or not depressed, it doesn't matter. I would. I would fuck Owen Wilson, And I thought that way. You know. A sexually formative memory for me is the bathtub scene in Shanghai. NW. I literally knew you were going to say that, because that was probably we You were what, uh fourteen? Um, if you were fourteen, I was slightly older, But I think I was younger than that because I had I had never seen myself reflected on screen an Asian, a hot Asian man in a bathtub naked with a hot white man, you know, and that is my experience, that is my lived experience, and it was so beautiful for me to see that reflected back to me. Honest. Do you think that Jackie Chan got um hate d M s um from being photographed filmed, even in a bathtub with a white man. I think he probably did. I think he probably did. I think he probably invented Instagram. People invented Instagram so that just so that they could d m Jackie Chan about that scene and Chann m hm m hm hm hmmm. Where is Jackie now? You know what? I don't know, too old for all of it. He he was in a movie recently called Like the Foreigner, which is unfortunate. Um, yeah, it is not. It's it's sort of not where you want to see Jackie Chan now, but um he is. He's still kicking it. He's still He's still around, still kicking it. Yeah, like he kicks a cinder block right in half, and so many of his films. Anyway, what else are you watching? Can I tell you? This is one reason why I'm really upset that Bowen couldn't log on is because he has been getting really into in Treatment. And have you watched In Treatment? I saw this on Bowen Story and I thought to myself, I should watch in Treatment, but instead I turned on CBS is Evil instead. Oh God, I never want to watch something on CBS, even The Good Wife. The Good Wife, I would watch Slash get into and I would even do that with the Good Fight. But I just feel like it is too many episodes of too long. We have tied the point now where you tell somebody that is seven seasons and twenty two episodes per season, and it's untenable. It's what am I supposed to do? Unless there's another pandemic, unless there's an they shutdown there. No one's doing that, No one but the Baby. I can really, I can barely get through uh limited series ten episodes like and and that's long to me now now it's like I need things to be six or seven and in a hot forty six minutes like ms Mayer. But nowadays it's like and I could never I think The Good Wife is the last prestige show that was like on network twenty four episodes of a full length our show that people are like, you could still watch this and enjoy. No one's watching loss now. No, people are not doing it. No you do. You need to have Pat Regan on to talk about manifest But you know what, you know what really secured me of my attention span recently that I uh that I watched um is Stephen Universe. Have you seen what is that Stephen Universe is? It's a cartoon by Rebecca Sugar it is. The episodes are eleven minutes long, if that okay, And it starts out, it's seems very simple, it seems like very trophy. It is like you you watch the first episodes and they sort of drop you in to the middle of the story. It's about a little boy who is a gem and then his three like aunt figures who are also gems, and they protect the world. And it's like if you've seen sailor Moon, you you get the vibe almost immediately, and it just is so brilliant. How over the course of five seasons they layer in little bit by bit and you really you think you're watching a standalone show. You think you're watching sort of like an adventure time like nonsense, Like every episode is self contained and it's and it restarts and the steaks we started each episode. But you've slowly realized that this show is like building upon its own more until a point at which by the end of it it is one of It is one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen. And there's a movie, and there's music. The voice talent on the show, Patty Lapone, Nicki Minaj Amy Man, this is crazy. A cell is one of the main voice actors, and the show is queer as hell. There are so many trans allegories in it. There are literal lesbians on the show. Step and how do we watch the It's on HBO Max. Okay, I love that, know, And now you're talking my my language speaking go well, I was gonna say, speaking HB Max. I got to watch Space Jam two early what because to save our son, Joel, I screamed, you need to win this game and get our son back. I was, By the way, that is so Nicol Martin Green from Star Trek Discovery committing all the way. She's from the Sarah Paulson's school of bad script and full commitments. She serves every inch of this playing Lebron's life. So Space Gym two is pretty much exactly Space Gym one, but you drag and drop like all new references for the old one. So it's like the it's it's it's just it's it's just so funny because it's literally the same. But it was fun I guess, I mean. And the reason I watched it is because, and this is my announcement to the readers, um, I'm gonna be hosting HBO Max movie Club, which is a podcast presented by My Heart and HBO Max, which is going to feature me and some special guests. Perhaps we're even looking at one um talking about movies that are on the HBO Max platform that are coming out that are classic movies on the platform. I'm actually doing. Um do you like Keanu Reeves? Okay, so maybe you'll come on from my Kiano episode that I'm doing. Um. So they want to do an all key a new episode, so it's gonna be like Point Break Matrix speaking you know, all the girls that are on the platform. So maybe you'll come on from my Kiano episode because I was gonna have Joe Kim on to talk about the movie Freaky because one thing I said to these people. So basically, it's like I'm watching all these movies and then hosting with comedian friends of mine or like you know, people from that that actually made the movie. It's gonna be really really cool actors, directors, whatever, and it starts very soon. Um. But I told them when they asked me to do the gig, I was like, just so you know, it's like a thing. I cannot watch scary movies, like oftentimes even suspense thrillers like I can't really get through because it makes me too anxious. And I told them this and then they were like, it's fine, nothing on the list is too scary, and then they go, okay, so week two is going to be freaky. Flashback to when you and I were at Jared's house and you guys, I think, tricked me, like like by some bisexuals. It was always always, always in the plan, no specifically to watch well all all I know is it was on for I think about forty five seconds before I left the house. I was like, I cannot do this. You actually you were there for longer than forty five minutes. You got up and you second and behind the couch, behind the couch a distance away, several yards away, around a corner, and you watched the opening uh scenes of Freaky from around a corner. I got the funk out of there, despite the fact that both of them told me if you leave, we're gonna be really mad, and I was like, well, I'm it's it's worth it to get into fight with my friends then to sit here because I don't know what it is readers, I really and it's not like it's hasn't always been like this. I think just I just get really anxious watching scary movies. I don't know what it is. And you're talking to someone who loves haunted houses. I've been skydiving, like I do quote unquote scary stuff. I mean, I'm out here in the world, uh you know, and I just but I told him. I was like, I really can't dose scary movies. And then they were like, okay, well the second week is freaky, and I was like, okay, well, I know exactly who to get on someone that's seen the movie and watched what happened to me when I tried to watch it. But now that episode is postponed and they want to do a Kiano episode instead. So I'm happy to hear that you love Kiano because you'll come up and we can watch much of You About Nothing, one of my favorite Kiana Reeves and it's complicated. Oh yeah, little known Kanu vehicle. That would be really funny is if we did a Kiana Reeves episode, but we didn't do the Matrix or John Wick or any of his big nas. We did much Ado About Nothing, and it's and it's complicated. And this is like earlier in his career when he could like sort of and I say, this would love barely act and it wasn't like part of it yet. It was like there was like Kiano in the beginning, like they were giving him rolls and they were like, oh, he'll like learn to act, and then he never did and everyone was like, but now it's part of it. But in the beginning of his career, I remember he was in Dracula and he says the word Europe like you rope, and it's iconic. I watched it in high school and I loved it and I love Kiana. So but anyway, it's great that I get to tell you all that I'm doing this podcast, which I hope you listened to as well. It'll be really fun. Of course, I am qualified to do this as someone who was once told by Bowen Yang that I maybe should think about getting a letterboxed. So this is me now hosting um letter box. What is letterbox? I think it's just for for facts to sort of jump on and review ship. Okay, you know the reason I was talking about this was because the first episode is Space Gym two. That's why I was talking about it. So that's how I got to see Space Gem two early. I'm so glad you found it. I'm so glad that was sick. Back to this. So at this point in the episode, about an hour and sixteen minutes is and is when I say Bowen, shouldn't we do? I don't think so, honey, and he usually says yes. So now I'm gonna say to you ju Kim, should we do? I don't think so, honey. Um, yes, I guess. I'm still I'm still unclear about what mine is gonna be again melatonin. I was asked to do this at the last minute. I'm in a cold, I'm in a weird headspace. Everybody has to just chill out. Everybody just chill out. I don't think that you're going to get negative feedback for I don't think you possibly could. I mean, think about what a higher on you're doing. The movie, you got this show with Maya, you got um fucking you're You're You've survived the gay cold, You've got San Francisco friends who are cooler than the ones you had before. I mean, so much is going well for you, and you're also going to get to hear my I don't think so, honey, which, of course is going to happen first, as it always does. You know, I don't think so honey. Yes is one minute sort of rampt really fevered manner of speech where um Bowen and I and a guest and tonight Joel and I go off in quotes as the kids say, on an item of culture that we don't like very much. And today I was talking to some gaye in a group threat and I realized that, Um, there's something in the culture that's been happening since the beginning of live performance that I don't think, so honey, and so I'm thrilled to present it to you today. Okay, Matt Rogers, I don't think so honey. Time starts now. I don't think so honey, standing ovations which sit the funk down. I cannot see over your fucking head, which is now so high. You need to get in your seat. That's why it's there. What is that good that you need to stand for? I don't think so honey, standing up and like clapping because guess what not everyone around you wants to do that, and now you forced them to because it's custom. I don't think so honey. At the con Film Festival, whenever something is half good. It gets a ten minute standing ovation. That movie a Net with Driver and Marion Cotillard. It was reported that it got over six minutes standing ovation. Bitch Pierre's need to sit the funk down? Okay, if I wanted to see a bunch of racist clap I would go to a fucking Toby Keith concert, which is a joke. I said and said group Chat today, which got zero likes, which is a bummer because I actually thought it was pretty good and so were repeating it here on the podcast. I don't think so, honey, standing ovations. I want to sit. My thighs hurt, my calves hurt, and most importantly, my feet hurt. So I don't want to stand on him. I don't think so, honey. And that's one. How do you feel about that? I feel great about that. And you know, I love I love when it's about culture, you know, I love when it's of the culture. You know, you have a lot of notes when it's not. I do you know. I'm a purist. I think it should be something related to film television movies, dance. Dance is a big one film television movies, dance. Yeah, I agree, I mean, you know, what if someone slays a dance, you can stand ovation for them. But that's really all. But I think my I don't think so honey is not going to be directly related to you're gonna go against your own rules. Well, you know I famously did I don't think so honey. When you far in, a little bit of calm comes out. Yeah, I remember you did that in front of my parents. Yeah, and that was one of my most iconic I don't think so honeys, and it did not pass me through to the Yeah, that was the iconic Readers. Some of you who have joined the process of listening to this podcast late and might not know that Bowen and I once didn't I don't think so honey competition at Clusterfest in San Francisco that was judged by Alaska thunder Fucking Drinks months soon, and I thought they really flopped in their decision making when they did not pass through ji Ki and Booster, who said I don't think so honey. When you fart in, a little bit of comm comes out in front of my father Richard, my mother Katrina, and my sister Chelsea Ryan who speaking of standing ovations, your dad stood up. Yeah, I think that. I think that they all really liked it. I'm incredible with parents. Yeah, they love you. Um, and I'll tell them that you said hello, even though you didn't. I always say hello to Tina. Her name is Trina. I know I'm kidding. I'm kidding coaching Tina, coach and Trina. Um. Joel thinks I'm from New Jersey more than he thinks I'm from Long Island. I think he. I think he think right now. Yeah, okay, um, okay. So, on this episode of I Don't Think So Honey that has been so kindly saved by Joel Kim, Um, I am honored to sort of flip the phone in his direction, um and press start for what will be a thrilling I don't Think so Honey from one of the best um robbed on the Clusterfest competition of I Don't Think so Honey, and here he is everyone, It's Joel Kim Booster and his I don't Think so Honey starts now. I don't Think so Honey. Long text messages. I do not want to see a wall of text pop up on my phone. That little ding that my phone does it is for tiny little messages. Where are you b r B. What are you doing? You want to come over? That is it? Honey? If I have to scroll through my phone to read the entirety of the message, I don't think so, honey. Bring that wall down. Make it an email. Okay. If you have to put paragraph indentations in your text message, it is too long. Is I have to scroll? It's too long? If I even break it up, break it up into smaller chunks. Even it's less aggressive to see a smaller chunk of a text. These messages were not meant to be long, Okay. I am like the fucking Jericho. Bring the wall down, Mr Gorbachev. I do not want to see the wall. That is the quote, and I am leaving it there. Stop sending long test messages. Making a phone call, and that's one minute. I disagree making a phone call. I almost never want to get on the phone. I don't like talking on the phone. But but I will say this, you must love my texting because it's a lot of short things. Sometimes sometimes I'll just be like, I'll just like, if I were texting right now what I'm saying, it would be truly eight text. Like the word like will be its own text for me. So I'm really happy that that. I love seeing a cluster of of of white. I love or blue. I love seeing a cluster. I love seeing a cluster of white. Joel Kim Booster, fresh off of vacation, drag him. I love seeing a cluster of white. That um cluster of white. Has good news ever been communicated in a long text message? Edifying? Ever been? Ever been? It's usually someone who's like, I just want to be honest with you. Whenever I'm sending a a a something over text, it all has to be one because I don't want to give them the opportunity to interject. So I think that's why you see a long text message happened because I want all the information to come out before I get sort of derailed, sidetracked, misunderstood, um by someone interjecting mid text. But so I think that's why you sort of may receive like an email times them from people don't defend him? Is this maybe there is this what happened a couple of hours ago? No? No, no, no, that was professional. Oh well, I'm I'm trusting that you figured it out. Yeah, you have to meet people where they are period. Um. Well, listen, I've learned a lot. I feel we did exchange words on the culture. I have to say that this was edifying, educational. You taught people about um what did teach about before? Again, I don't know. I'm not know its tone in bitch listen. I feel like you didn't make a catch phrase with me. I feel like you didn't use any of the catch phrases. We did so many rules of culture. I feel like you didn't say you understand. I feel like you didn't say you didn't create, You didn't create new vernacular with me like that, dragging me. I think that this episode is gonna be one of the best. I think people are going to be like wow, to know to know what what the girls are capable of when tragedy befalls, and let me just say what happened to Bowen? Bowen is often the Dominican Republic for reasons I don't think I can disclose, but but they're good reasons. They're very cool reasons, and good reasons. Um and wouldn't you believe it, the WiFi at his hotel in the d R not so great, and so he sort of hopped on and we sort of got very um uh sort of bow and Yang is frustrated energy with the with the WiFi, and I said, you know what, I'm just gonna nip this in a bud right now and calls one that I know at least was available before because they asked me to hang out, and that was you, Joe Kim. And I'm so happy that I did, because not only did I get to spend time with my sister, but I got to provide the readers with an excellent episode hosted by co mosted by one of our great minds. Can I tell you a story really quickly that the Dominican Republic just reminded me of because our friend, our friend Bowen isn't the Dominican republican the Jamaican Republic, and one of my friends, Sandra Bolick, is also in the Domaican Republic right now, and she somehow is now friends with one of our mutual friends who listened to Iowa Debury's podcast Iconic Class, where she listened to my episode of UM where I talk about Sandra Bolick and texted her a breakdown of what I said in the episode and whether or not it was right or wrong, all the questions I asked about Sandy and the one negative thing I said about Sandra Bullock. The one negative thing I said, I said, the only bad things Sandra Bullock has ever done is the millions millions. She should not do voice over work. And she said, in response to that, your friend Joel is absolutely correct. I fall apart in the booth, and I've never done it all apart in the booth. See that is so shocking at me. You think she'd come alive in the booth. No, she needs another person there. I see it for her, I see it. You know, I'm gonna say this about myself. I come alive in the booth. I do too. I love the booth. I love the booth. I think the booth is a great place. I think the booth is a place of great opportunity. So color me shocked to hear that Sandra Book doesn't like the booth. But maybe she just loves the camera just like it loves her. You know, she she loves the camera. I think she loves the tactile nature of acting. She's always touching something, you know. I think that's the problem. I think that's the problem. Yea. And what she's touching is our hearts, you know what? You know what she has that in common with you, and you were able to reach through the screen. Big things coming, Jolie, Big things can't wait. I've got a lot of stuff. I I got a lot of big things waiting for me around New York City. Oh. I hope that's not um a euphemism. But I also I hope that's not it's not. I just I have a lot of belongings that I have left over the city in various storage units. Okay, well, Um, I'll suggest some people to help you pick those things up. Uh, Joel Kim, we end every episode with a song, and I want you to know that last week we sort of iconically ended with only Hope by Mandy Moore. I remember, um, and so I would sort of like to And that's the reason we did that is because we mentioned her during the episode, and so I'd like to sing the classic tune. Wait, wait, you have to name cousin of the week. Oh oh oh. The cousin of the week is really tight between three people. Okay, the cousin of the week is tight between Danielle stab for Um appearing in the Erica Jaye documentary and claiming to know information that we're not sure that she knows, and also resembling a Long Island sort of Tristate area girl that I know and and and this is the lost Coach, so I do get to sort of make the decision. And then the next nominee is um Google and bat Raw because we don't really know what to do with her, but we know we want her around at all times, and she is a welcome presence, not a sister, not a mother, no, something in the in the in between. And the third nominee for Cousin of the Week is of course Hailee Steinfeld because we always love speaking of her. She got accolades from her family and beyond for doing a goofy act and we're in a big hat and riding a horse, which you know if a cousin does that in the family, it's the most hilarious thing, especially when she's a cute girl voted for Trump and we end every episode with a song He'm gonna She's a cousin of the week. Yeah. Any time we do not have confirmation that Helly's find pubbled for Trump, it's a vicious rumor and that that will starting, that it will exist in Hollywood history. Goodbye, Goodbye,