The girls are starstruck and shakin' in their little gay boots today because the Las Cultch guest is none other than comedic savant, genuine hero and (get this... ) WONDERFUL FRIEND Sean Hayes. The host of the truly world famous podcasts Smartless (out Mondays) and Hypochondriactor (out Wednesdays) joins Matt & Bowen to discuss Will & Grace and Q-Force, share memories of performing in Promises, Promises on Broadway, and confront the fact that the Sean Hayes Cher impression is now THEE culturally accepted Cher impression. Also, Erasure, George Michael and queer representation in all forms of media, iconic medical issues and the dragging of RHOSLC's Jennie Nguyen, one word names AND three word names. JUST CULTCH! Ya gotta listen!
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Look man, oh I see you? Why and look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, dast culture And what a happy day, a really blissful, wonderful day for the Rogers family. Can I say, in the words of Taylor, uh see spoksa never loser, etcetera. I thought you were gonna sing today was a fairy tale. You know, that would have been actually more apt because today was today is the day that my sister got engaged, bra not bravo. I meant to say, mozle top Well you know that actually is that says a lot about you that you would that you would congratulate a woman on an engagement. I know. I didn't mean yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Oh my god, you're gonna have to like do um, You're gonna have to give a speech about a year. Of course you are. I guess you're right. Like, you know, what's funny. I don't know how you feel, but I'm never really like involved in the weddings. I go to no, neither or not. You're not involved in the wedding in anyway. But like you're going to have to, like if there's like if she's gonna do a rehearsal dinner or something that's usually when like the sibling talks. Okay, you know, like I think I think you will be asked to say something, especially as a performer. I mean, I guess I'll have to get over my stage right, huh, to get over that limptic feeling I get in front of people, want to have to perform. You know what I mean, You're in the wrong business. Oh you go limp, Honey. I can't even if it's only fans, like like this, I go limp sick in front of crowds. What's gonna happen when I go limptick in front of the bottom of the bottom? Listen? Sorry God, frontrunner of title of that Sorry, sorry God, now listen. Um also wanted to say, uh, quick shout out to my sister whose birthday it also is today, and she just got a new job. So this is like a big Chelsea episode, a lot of big changes. We ink this is all going in the right direction. What am I saying? I'm like, can you tell him out of it? I'm nervous. I am nervous. Can I say I am nervous? But that's okay. Legend in the Zoom legend in the zoom. You know how I get when I when the legend is in the zoom, I I kind of get all, um. I don't know, flustered. I think it's just actually, like truly, it's it's it's it's a moment for me whenever I'm around the guests, because you can imagine, like, so imagine it's you're nervous, you bow and yang. Imagine this. I'm working in the writer's room at Q Force Animated series that really, let's let's be real. This man was the star of it. Okay, he's star, major creative force behind the gig. So here I am. It's he's really you know, he's my boss. Boss. He's coming in. I find out, you know, we're going to meet them, and it's the table read, babe. Okay, it's gonna be the big table read. And then you're reading at it. They say to me, we have found the right person for this one part. You got to read the part, and you're gonna sit next to Sean and read the part. So now I'm thinking nervous, I'm shaking in my boots. I'm limp, Dick. He's coming in. He's gonna be Seawn Hayes I'm gonna have to be Matt Rogers. And then guess what happened. It was successful and we struck up. We're not gonna believe it. Friendship, friendship, Oh my god, God, sorry God, sorry god. I really just I've only ever loved this man, and just hearing you work, hearing you work with him, these stories you called me. But but just every day you would just come to me with some wonderful anecdote about our guest, and I was like, oh, of course he's like this. Of course he's wonderful, truly a joyful presence as one that you one that is undeniable. And it's been like this. Can we just say that we hashtag been new, we can actually been new, that our guest today was truly a comedic cultural icon. And can I say I think, perchance maybe the best physical comedian of his generation. I would say, like this is beyond. But when you go back and watch like Will and Grace from the beginning, just a savant. He would like go into a squat. Within like micro seconds, Jack would like every now and then like demonstrate things, and like within like half a second, you would see his his his upper body just like dropped the floor somehow. Let me say something about that Chaplin, that that fag chaplain shaking and his brave twisting and turning in his grave because you know he was bested by our guest, Matt. What are the credits? Let me tell you about the credits. Okay, so this is sort of the new iconic next chapter Okay, became like a pioneer of modern podcasting, the smart List podcast with little known household name. We should say, Jason, Bateman and Will are in that this podcast is absolutely huge. Bow It's a huge podcast, and they're all people say that like, oh, Matt and Bowen, they get on their guests level, blah blah blah. No, no, no, no, not like Bateman and Hayze in our nets. Somehow it feels like you're listening in on a conversation with the Sandra Bullock, honey. Somehow it feels like you're listening to a conversation with them, you know, the Jimmy Fallon heard of him, heard of Jimmy heard of her. What if we ever got some Bullock on this podcast, would we act shut up? You don't. We didn't announce you yet. You're not You're not here, You're not here. Don't upset me. I could, I could, I could try and figure it out. Sandy would do Oh my god, wait, I forgot that, you know her. Okay, that's the crazy thing about the whole Bowen Yang of it, all these people. No, no, no, I will reveal something I did today. I did ad R for the upcoming film The Lost Cities, intandrible like Channing Tatum getting great buzz, getting great buzz starring Patti Harrison um and I think it's gonna be a really fun movie. You were saying that from the very beginning. You were like, I have to say, this is giving me like really funny like ms, congeniality, like early odds, like honest to god, funny comedy like but talking about the heartstrings vibes hashtag hashtag after anyway that the answer is maybe Sandra Bullock would do it. I don't know. I mean, like I do think there is this unfortunate phenomenon now where a lot of people are like, anytime someone comes to us and now someone's life, our guest, our guest is making some calls. Anytime someone comes to us, and now now I I all I get our d ms that are saying get Katy Perry on the pot on the pot, I'm like, I think that they're busy, y'all. I think that they're busy campaigning for rewards, but SmartLess, Oh my gosh. And they're all hypochondriactor hypochondriactor with Dr Pea, uncle Wally, Yes, mom, And so basically those are the big podcast So the moment, you of course know our guests from his iconic turn as as my mom said today when I told her he was coming on the podcast, oh my god, just Jack of course, will iconically Jack on William Grace, Emmy Winner, UM awards are everything, um like like I was saying, my co star like my eyes go cross side on Q Force. Loved that. And in March, you're never going to believe that the man is storming the stage. Okay, storming the stage because he's going to be seen in Chicago's Goodman Theater starting in Goodnight Oscar. Did you see him in Promises? He did? I solve and promises promises with Okay, you know what, it's time we we've been doing this. It's time we've been dilly dallying, and it's dilly dallying. Here we go. Please welcome shy as I got heart. Okay, what do you want? What do you want to do? Do you wanna do? Let's just perspective. Now, what if you guys like this guy hasn't really done, like he's gonna like you know him from let's just bring him on like once I was like, you know him from win a date with Tad Hamilton's you're getting that though. I pulled that one out all the time. It's a good one. Underappreciate it. So I wanted to comment so many times while you guys are talking, I couldn't. What were your big pulls? Remember them? I don't remember now? They flee, remember, remember, and they flee like fame. They're fleeting. They flee like flame, Well like fameames fleeting. How do you feel about um that we saw you and promises promises? We both separately saw you and promise. This promise a good one. Okay, So problems, that's so nice. They named it twice. So my friend Dak Shepherd, So my mom came to see that show. Uh you know Shepherd is involved. No, he came to see it and so got it. So I'm so I'm jumping around, But my mom came to see the show when she was like in the deep throes of Alzheimer's, and so of course Dak Shephard came up the most brilliant joke ever, because if we don't laugh about Alzheimer's, you cry, which I've done plenty of. So this is okay because it's my mom and I'm making fun of it my mom, and my mom would have laughed. She said, thank god, it's called Promises, Promises. I loved that show. But I would say I as as brilliant as Katie Finneran was. And I believe a Tony win for that. Yes, yes, And then I heard Molly Shannon joined mine. Now Molly Shannon took over. She made me pee. She was so funny. So they both were one of the best. Yeah, I love I love Molly. I worked with Molly so many times. I hosted Sytay Night Live. Her last show, really yeah, her very last show when she said she played Katherine Mary Kathan Gallagher and she came out and played against she goes and she played schools out forever, right, and then on the last speech, she goes that show and I know your neighbors. Yeah, that's lovely. And see like that's and now Bowen, you're part, which is so impressive. You're part of an institution, You're part of the history of this massive institution. It's so exciting. I'm so excited for you. I'm so proud of you. I don't know you, but I'm proud of you, and I'm it must just feel so cool. Thank you. That's very nice, I am. I also remember when cast members left the show. That was a different time when the cast was actually back in the day, went back in the um, Well, we'll leave that in we'll leave that in white. My coworkers can can handle that. Um, oh my god. But promises, promises, Yeah, I don't know, Like how long did that run for? Well, how long were you there? That was a year? That was a year. Um, there's so many I could we could fill this whole thing with so many stories from there. But one time, one time, Kristen uh, because she hadn't eaten that day, she was running around like crazy. But she did the whole show and then we come up for you know, we see each other backstage in the wings because we came out from opposite sides and joined in the center and then down and so I looked at her and I was like, that's where Kristen is not standing there, And then I looked down and like the wicked Witch of the West West legs you know that legs are sticking out of the house, passed out on the ground. Legs are sticking out underneath the curtain. And I was like, And the stage manager goes go and I'm like, but she's not she's And I went out and I was like, what all the cats, was like, where's Kristen? And then finally she came out like five minutes later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's that one. There's another story where a woman threw up in the middle of the show, like the tenth throw up, uh, the tenth row in, and then she got escorted out, came back, threw up again, and that's broad Way baby, And she was a reviewer and that was that was my review of my performance. He made me throw up. I threw up, and I threw up again. There's this other guy who's who's in the show. You may know him. His name is Brooks Ashmanskiss. Yes, I've seen Brooks in the prom. Yeah, he was the problem. He stole the show in the problem. He's brilliant he's a really good friend. He's one of the most incredible actors, funniest people live, such a big heart, he's just a great human being. And uh he this is so funny. I haven't told this story ever, but the so right before the curtain goes up in the show, there was the announcement right to the audience, no flash photography, no recording, please bla blah blah blah blah blah, and enjoy the show. And there's just a beat of silence. And when the curtain goes up, the entire cast is frozen on stage in the silhouette. And so every single night, eight shows a week, for a year, Brooks would say something in that one breath of silence to make us all laugh, no flash photography, blah blah blah, and enjoy the show. My asshole was bleeding and it would all be dying. It was so fun. That sounds like that sounds like camp. You know, that sounds like going to camp because it's like theater funk or theater folk. We just make fun. We have fun. We fund as as theater folk, as show people know what's really just It's really just about sticking sticks together and making me set and it's just playtime, you know, the show backstage and in front of the stage. Enjoy to watch and listen. Enjoy to watch and listen to see. Now, wait, so you guys have been doing this show for like five six years for we Yeah, how many episodes? You know? I actually counted? Are we to? I think? No? This is like two eighties six. We're coming up. We're coming up at three d. We have to do some big things. Well, we're gonna have to do a big thing because because Sean, we kind of I don't know what you guys do on your podcast, we kind of like to do a big thing when we have like a big episode number, we kind of have to. We like to like, you know, have like a big event, you know. Okay, so what was what was the what was the hundred event? Oh well there was no hundred event, was there? No, there was no hundred event. But two hundred was two summers ago. And let me tell you so when you say you always do it, you did it once. We did it once. I mean the way we did it at two hundred was so major that like I feel like we we will have to keep the tradition going. Matt, we did the top two hundred moments in culture and we listed the top two hundred moments in pop culture history. And it was a three episode of Traveganza, and you could really say it put us on the map. They say that it was Bowen Yang's real SNL audition, even though he had been working there for a while. That's right. Yeah. And I must say, since you mentioned in the thing that the Q Force, that that Matt, Matt first of all stole you stole the stole Q Force, truly, honest, lay hand to god, stole the show every scene, every episode. That's what they were all saying. Yeah. And while they were in the booth, they're like, this guy's like Brooks March Yeah, except they except they pronounced that ash manskis Yeah. But but Matt, And that's when I fell in love with you, because I was like, who is this guy I never knew? Came out of nowhere for me, came out of nowhere, and I was just like, I just think you were in our absolutely brilliant. You're too You're too much. And this is what I'm saying. It's like you know that you know, here's the thing about you, Shan. You could walk in there and be a real cut. Yeah, you could walk in there and be a real bitch and you could start of be marching, giving marching orders. You can be like, I don't like this one, I don't like that one. You can come in with just like, you know, just like giving a real deal attitude and you don't. You wake up every day and you decided to give you started to carry the light and thank you for that. Let me tell you, maybe maybe I'm being a cut in a different way, but that's a secret away. Yeah, No, that's very nice. I life's too short, you know, you have to We're here for five fucking minutes on this planet, and if the pandemic tell you anything, it's that and uh and you you do have a choice, right you can. You can show up and and be inclusive and enjoyful, or you can be a fucking dick. Yeah. It's also really nice to like enjoy enjoy like where you work, you know what I mean. Like you go in it's just like the vibes are positive and it feels like um because honestly that is I do work better when that is the case. Yeah, for sure, everybody does. We have a big sign in my office at my company. Who says, be work hard and be nice. Yeah, it's really simple. That's really it's really simple. A lot of people don't understand that. But you know, growing up poor too, like like so poor? Like how poor? What? Thank you for asking? I I was gonna do? Were you? So? The the tense agreement there, It doesn't really sorry listeners, sorry readers, the tense agreements mattsid how poor were you? Know? Was he? I was going to say? How poor were you? So it sounds a little bit jumbled. I'm sorry, I'm sort of holding up this whole conversation, but no, I I uh so. Anyway, it's a great motivator to to work hard and be nice and being appreciative. How poor were you? Well? We had once one summer and one summer one winter in Chicago. We had no heat for the whole winter, so it was fucking freezing in the house. And so you you don't forget that, right, you never forget those days, like the whole winter was it was? It was heat less? Pretty much? Yeah, pretty much. We know hot water, had to take cold showers? Was it not illegal back then like it is now? I feel like that's hot water when hot water was illegal. I feel like when did when did that? I wonder how like those housing laws came into effect. I genuinely like sort of I wonder when that happened. What it was? Because we couldn't pay our bills. That's how I just meant, like, okay, like you're all entitled to Okay, great it was. It was a dad leaving mom with five kids to raise on her own. Thing. That'll do it. And can I say something that I like to take it down? Oh no, no, we're we're perked up. Now, we're perked up. I'm listening, I'm in now. That's how we that's how we get to know you. If we need to know the trauma, we didn't know the struggle. We need to know where has he been that maiden? Who he is? Because he didn't just wake up carrying the light? No, no, no, he's been through ship. I took a slat in the winter, went out shot some game and brought it home. I'm not shooting game. Mask man. You don't have to pretend with us. Shawan okay, dropped the straight act exactly, can you please for once? Not Will and Jason? Okay, you don't have to like Oh my god, you should hear me. What was that? We had Adam stand Lauran he was talking about he was telling the funniest story about um SNL and and auditioning, and uh, he was on the he was on the I'm gonna get this wrong. So but it's something about he was on the phone on the plane phone remember those that you can ride your credit card through and talk on the plane. And he was like, but dad, I want to be a star or something like telling talking to his dad on the plane. I go, well, that's not a conversation you can have quietly because you have to raise your voice. And so then my gay version of that was I want to be a star of the plane. You guys all met a poker? Yeah that's pretty straight. Yeah, well yeah, I don't know. I love I love I love gam grow up with games like board playing cards with my family all the time. But no, he okay, and no cards, how do we warm up competition? So Kyle gas And and Jack Black would have these poker things at their at their place, and and so for like a year, maybe even two years, I don't even know, it was a really long time. Every Tuesday I would go join them and I would have that we would order pizza at the end of the night of taping of Will and Grace, and I would always ask to order one more and I would bring the pizza over to the poker night would just laugh and have a good time. Do you guys like poker? Do you like it? There was a time when I really in high school. My my friends and I these were I'm gonna rockyr world, tire straight male friends. They were we got really into poker, and for a minute there, I got pretty good at it. But I have a naturally horrible poker face. Show it to us. Here's the one. I have a good hand. Yeah, An I sort of look, I sort of like say onto my breath. I mean, what do people say anything about like there being any correlation between like being a good actor and having a good poker face. I feel like people probably that's the very first thought. It's a lazy thought to have, but there's no way that can be true. Yeah, I don't. I never had that an acting class. We never played acting class. Do you wish you did? Well? Here's the thing. It's like, as an actor, you're expressive, right and feel a lot. So I don't know about you actors. This is a now a round table and it is awards season, so it's great that we got the galls together. It's just Hollywood Actress roundtable, Hollywood reporter. We have three girls in the running here today to talk about how poker face and acting is two different things. And I want to say that if they did ask that question, it would be one of a much better question than they do ask because if you ever watch those Hollywood Reporters actors round tables, it's always like, so when did you guys decide that you wanted to be an actor? And it's like Jesus, or it'll be like when was the last time you experienced a me too? Like they praise it right, they don't like they phrase it in the crew like. It'll be literally like when you experienced, like, what's the most racist thing someone said to you? And it'll be like a table full of people and they just go for it. It's like, can you remember a time when you felt like maybe you doubted yourself? Yeah? Idiot? Anyway, they're bad, they're bad questions. I'm so happy the three of us could gather to discuss Wait, what about what about? First of all, to many thoughts went. First of all, Bowen, you're so good on the show. You're so good on Satnight Life, and you make me, you make me and my husband laugh out loud. Scotty, Scotty, Scotty talent. Yeah, he's also talented Scotty. And um do you wait? What was I want to ask you? What do I want to live? Um? Do I remember your sketcher Will comes in with the tiny cell phone? Yeah? We remember it? Okay, no, uh shoot, it'll come back to me. I want, okay, something about that. I remember when I was younger and I watched that sketch with you and the tiny cell phone. I assumed you were part of the cast. I think at the time, I was just like, oh, yeahs an outcast member. Was that anything that was ever on your radar? Do you have an audition for them? No? But I wanted to do some insane thing whereafter Will and Grace was over the first time, and I wanted I told my agent. I was like, I think I'm gonna go on CENTERNT Live or at least auditioned for it if it's possible. And the whole agency was like, no, no, You're not doing that. I would have been so rad and fun to just go from that to that. But yeah, from like the like the the what do they used to call They don't really say this anymore, but it was like the not ready for prime time players that they would say about them. It's like, Okay, this this gentleman has done prime time to great success, but he's going back to that three thousand dollar in episode So but yeah, but you but because you did Second City, right, Yeah, I was a Second City in Chicago. I never performed in the main stage, but I went through all the training programs and of those little shows within there. But um, but yeah, I always admired all the people's journey from either the Groundlings or Second City or IO in Chicago or you know, in prov Olympic or whatever. Isn't there another one? Oh yeah you CB? Yeah? Yeah, I mean how did you bow and do? I'm always fascinated by that journey? Well I was. I was kind of like you. Um, I was taking classes, but I never got into like the actual like theater sanctioned groups that performed their Matt and Matt was on a sketch team. But I just took the classes. They paid a lot of money. To not be actually in the system. But I was just like, well, at least I have the training, and then Matt and I would would sketch comedy together, and uh, I don't know, my managers just told me to put in a tape one time one year and this is such a long shot, so I'm just gonna like have fun with it, like do things that like I knew they would never make it on the show. Um, and somehow it kept clearing every stage gate. I was like, oh, this is actually like I never in a million years thought it would happen, So I think that was probably helpful. I don't know. And then there was and then you know, Matt, I don't know, if you kid with me, bring this up, bringing up, mentioned it all, mentioned it all, so that Matt, one year after I was put in a holding deal for like a whole year, Matt got invited to audition as well. So both of us went in the same day to eight age. Yeah. I think I knew that. Yeah, I might have told you about it. Yeah, I screen bone screen tested four times, I screen tested twice, and I had us on holds for six months. Yeah, both of you guys friends, It's so wow. What a story. I know, it's one day, one day, it'll all get fleshed out in something we do, because it really is a crazy story. That My favorite story about it, my favorite short story about it, is that they put us in the same dressing room the second time we were screen testing, and I think they thought like, oh yeah, mattin Bow and they're still addressing room like that there. They'll love to be together this day. But it's like a really high stake stand. You want to be by yourself. You want to be by yourself, like I love my sister, says an American idol. You guys aren't really friends because you're competing against each other. Well, yeah, I mean, and Simon was there. That's another thing that SNL does. Simon into every room and heard I heard yeah, and he sort of says, he says that you're dreadful. You know, he does his whole time and he says you're dreadful. And it's the real Simon Cowe's and not even Daryl Hammond. That was that one of your auditions, like impressions, Yeah, that's that's what they missed out. On my eyes. It's like I'm talking to Simon, but they basically we're there. We're there like it's our they have our second screen stuff. We've been on hold for months. You're not allowed to do anything else while you're on hold. And we're like both rehearsing art characters. And one of Bowen's characters that he was auditioning with was the choking victim in the side. Yeah. Yeah, the model, the model for the choking poster. Yeah. And it was like con of tense in the room because we're both like focused on the audition. But at one point Boone was just like just making gags sounds, just like making gag sounds. I rehearsing his coughing, and I turned to him and I was like, they all sound the same, like I'm here too, I know, And we laughed. It was good. We laugh, we laugh, We laughed. That's good though. It build it builds a stronger bond. Yeah, and look we're we're we're both okay. Now. Everything looked out exactly like that always does always. Here's my question that I had, Yeah, how do you because I just the one time I hosted, I know what the grind is and everybody talks about that the hours and hours and hours. How do you, like, for example, right now, are you in New York? Right now? I am, okay, So how do you balance all of that work and then do this? Oh well, this is I mean, I've had to like recalibrate like my relationship with the podcast for the last year because like Matt's like heard me say like sometimes I'm like I too burned down to do this like for the next few weeks. But then he kind of snapped me out of that one day by just being like, well, when I do the podcast with you, it's I don't consider it to be work. It's just me hanging out with my friend. And I was like, that's the way I have to frame it, is that it's not actual work, and it's and and He's right, it's not me like sort of tricking my mind to do thinking something that it's that's not true. It's it is true that this is not actually just hanging out the boris it's it's just hanging out. Do you feel that way about SmartLess? Yeah? Absolutely, my god. I look forward to it. And by the way, we've spent so much time anyway, Like I was just at Jason's house last night and it's me and Scotty like started getting into football, like enjoying. Oh yeah, the big game. A lot of people watched football last night who normally don't watch football. Yeah, it was really really exciting. What happened? What was the What was the Chiefs Chiefs versus the forty Niners Packers? No, the who it was? It was Kansas City? Uh and and the and the and the and uh Broncos. Sounds like you didn't enjoy it that much. But anyway, but of course anytime a football player like got tackled or bent over. Me and Scotty my husband are like part noises, you gallows humorists. Yeah, but yeah, so so we we enjoy hanging out on the podcast and the outside of the podcast, they make me laugh so hard. They're so funny. Yeah, it's so dumb, like the dumbest, stupidest fucking jokes ever. I feel like you guys have that perfect intersection of smart and stupid, which is like, which is heaven, which is what Conan says, is like heaven. Like, yeah, because we don't know anything about you, think, anybody, or anything, and we claim to be a pop culture podcast. Yeah, you guys know, but you're singing songs at the top thing. I had no idea. I have no idea what those are, Taylor. You don't I know some Taylor? But ten minutes song? Good God, good God, I think I'm off. Would you consider yourself? Would you identify Bow and us off book on the ten minute all too Well? I told you, I said on this very podcast that they did. It was released. Me and Gail King are both on the studio floor at SNL watching Taylor do both both versions of the song addressed in air, and both Gail and I holding each other's hands. Sorry, this is me name dropping, but like I love it. And then and then and Ryan Reynolds turning to me and going, you know all the words? How do you know all the words the songs? The song hasn't been out for more than thirty six hours. I was like, I know, I just don't question it, sir. I don't think you understand Sir. You're like, how do you not? Do you not? Sean? Who do you? Sorry to say? But stand like, who's your number one? Oh? I think I know the answer. I know the answer to this number one? What number one? Like pop star diva? Who's your girl? I feel like the answer has to be. Can I can I answer for you? It's different than my character from Will and Grace. Yeah, I was saying, I know, I assume, but but that moment was who doesn't by the way, who doesn't love share? Yeah? Okay, sorry, but I but see this is like, this is interesting. I'm gay who didn't like I didn't grow up around Judy and Barbara and Share all those things. Not they're all phenomenal. But I was Depeche Mode, New Order, Erasers, Eraser and and Morrissey and the Smith's and like all the music I listened to and revered right and then Belly, Joel and John Like I never really was that, but I love musicals. Can I throw something out there? And this is dearly departed? Were you a meat Low fan? No, I mean I love the songs, but yeah, okay, I was reaching there, but I mean meat love did pass, and so I had to um. I had to ask because you were sort of saying theater and also rock music the perfect intersection. Yeah, yeah, for nothing. Think that's what we're staying on Q for us. You're saying in Q for us you did well? Then then then then what's the answer to the question. All those all those bands, all those people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, boys it well, but where I went to school and colleges that it was it was like the the alternative group. So it's like like, I don't know if you guys know Chicago very well, but there's a place called Medusa's and Melissa McCarthy went there at the same time I went there, but we never lacked feather. We talked about like how that one it was a juice bar for eighteen and over righte no alcohol it was, but they would play. It was a place where like skinheads and gay guys and gay girls and everything in between, and like you know, people who like with tattoos, Like we all kind of met and went that's the freaks, the outcast, the weirdos, those from the other side of the tracks. That's exactly right. That was my crowd. I love that. And so you do compartmentalize, like the share of the judy, the like the barbs. You like that that's Jack and that's not Sean. Yeah, I mean that that I don't appreciate that, but no, I get it. I get it, But then I then I apologize for presuming that. But I just feel like what I think is remarkable, and Matt me if you agree. I feel like the whole convention and share impersonations that is whole. That is a Sean Hayes invention. That is jack which because no one else was doing it before. Well thanks, Yeah, it's she just just kind of um and every single word and know how you would be well, but you have to take the last vowel of any word and put an owen, so you would be right, but you would be Matt rod Jo's I feel like that's the rule. That's the rule. That is one the established rule. But Sean, and please do not take this the wrong way. But I feel like the whole is that is one of the best non impression impressions. Does that make sense? It is we recognize it as being part of the like lexicon of share and being in that lex kind of share impression. And my friend Dave Anderson, who was one of the funniest people alive me and him used to do that all the time. I kind of got too, so he's he's great. You know what's funny? Like on RuPaul's drag Race, like a couple of years ago, and I felt bad for some of the queens who like culturally, you could tell we're just not familiar with share because Rue has it in their head. Well, if you don't know share, you can't win drag race. It's very much like this weird thing that Rue has. But I remember they did like an episode where they all had to do a share impression, end dance, end sing, and like the queen that ended up getting like voted out was like RU was like, we didn't see any share, like you didn't do any of the stuff, And it was so clear what they wanted was Oh, it was so clear they wanted something that was more you doing share than it was Share that It's like it's truly moved into being the share. Isn't that funny? You know? I was too about because I was such a huge SNL fan when I was in high school too, when I was in grade school and high school and then of course forever never, but I feel like everybody would go back to school on Monday doing impersonations of the the impersonation, right, so we would do we would do Billy Crystal's impression of Fernando, or we would do Will Ferrell's um George Bush. You know, yeah, like like a Maya Rudolph, Donna Tella. It's essentially like an insane slavic woman, not Donna tell but you never question it. I always felt like with impressions, and I'm obviously, you know, not an impressionist, but I've always felt like, when I really enjoy an impression, it's more about the commitment and the joy and the discovery of something about it than it is accurate impressions. Like I kind of could care less that someone comes out and does an accurate thing. I just want to see something exaggerated at Yeah, it's almost too like um in a TV show or a movie or something when an actor is like playing you know, a famous person and I well know their hair wasn't like this, and I have to get this thing, and I feel like give to ship. Yeah, yeah, because it's just your version of it. It's like, don't overthink it. Why am I so angry about it? Matt, Matt rounds you. I think I think, I think I think I wanted you to get picked off. Yeah, watch this. Watch this number one rated episode of Lust Culture. E watched this absolutely brutalizes Nicole Kidman's Lucille Ball brutalizes it. You said nothing I I used her as an example because it was so expert. Oh my god, Sean, I will say before I forget, before the the opportunity leaves me. I feel like I feel like one of the most influential comedic performances for me growing up was Jack coming in on Catheine because he's on he has a crush on the new berresta downstairs or just the copy. I mean that, like, it's just you coming in for like what one minute, two minutes? Just just do it a little loop. There's very sweet to say that they wrote that, you know, like on a on a sitcom, they they rewrite a lot as the week was on is rehearsed, just like Santa and and uh they wrote that huge monologue. It was like two pages long. And I was like, girl, I can't. There's you cannot change a word of this because I handed this to me Monday night and expect me to take it on Tuesday night. You know, you just can't because we don't have t cards, so we have to memorize. So uh so they promised not to change the word and I was just walk around my apartment just over and over and over. How many takes that do you remember how many takes that was too? Yeah, oh I did. I did one and I got it except for like the end, and then I got it to you too. Might as well be one for that, you know what you know it's like. But all the other episodes that was like twenty three takes each change, Well, that's an efficiently shoot schedule. I mean like two pages and two takes. Yeah. Well, well, James Burrows, Jimmy Burrows, you know, was our director. Jimmy Burrows directed I don't know if you guys know, every episode of Cheers, every Crazy, He directed Friends, Big Bang, Theory, two and a Half, Man, Mary Tyler, Moore, a Taxi, all those shows. So he's like, you know, the Steven Spielberg of sitcoms and uh and although Jimmy would say, or Steven's like the Jimmy Burrows a film, but but he's like my dad. He's the greatest guy ever. And he would work so so so fast, and so what I was doing, like the like the My Rootolf had My Rootolf show for five seconds was like one special and everybody's working so fast. Right. Because of Saturday Night Live and because of Jimmy Burrows, I was used to that pace, but it would scare not necessary that my Rutolf show, but other shows like that or Maya Marti or whatever sketch show. I like the fast Best Best Best Master. I know a lot of people are like, wait, I have to find my character. Everyone else isaked up. Yeah yeah, but so different now. I mean like there's just not a lot of multi cam happening. It's funny because like whenever you get auditions for them, it's nowadays it's like you have to kind of snap out of like what they train you to do for a single camp because like I remember when I was when I was doing pilot season a couple of years ago. Um, it was just like to get that random little multi kim that'd be in there, it was like, Wow, it's like a completely different performance mode to me, Matt, what is your What is the dream for you? What I actually I'm actually about to start. I start shooting next week the show with Molly I'm and I love that for you, which is the Vanessa Bays regular. Yeah, oh my god, my favorite people all in one show that I know you text me, you want to know what it is like? It got Greenlits so long ago. You did text me and this and this is what I just like, I had to shake my head at my luck that I get Shawn Hayes to text me congratulations on. I mean, you're just the best. And just to everyone out there knows, like he is that kind of guy. I'm rooting for both of you all the time. I just love, love, love watching talented people win and so but but and Jeremy Bailer, who I love. He's like the greatest ever. I just I'm really and I will say like we've had the table reads now and Jennifer Lewis is in the show, and it's just it's just real. I mean, I I can't believe I always stopped short of being like I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky because I did work hard, so I feel very fortunate for it. But you can't be really really quick just from this side. You could have worked harder, but keep going. Yeah, you saw me slacking every day. I'm just my boss. He gets no, you get to make a job outside in UM. But like yeah, I mean, I just it's it's really crazy. I mean you asked like when we started the podcast Bone and I started, you know, six years ago, when we were truly both like, okay, and remember, guys, please come see our show at u c B. It's on Thursday at seven thirty. See you there, like and now you know it's different, it's so great, it's so exciting both to do. It's just really, I genuinely truly mean, I just love when good people, good things happen to good people. That's very nice. And you know we all know when good things happened to bad people. Yeah, someone's example. I mean I might be someone's example of that. I really do. It's okay, who out there thinks you're a bad person? Plenty of people. No they don't. He's trying to start a villain Argentcy. No, No, he wants to be like Batman someone someone's I was just tired today after work and someone sent me a d M of is this you? And it's just a big pile of shit and big well no, it was basically like a picture of like you guys, like two ripped guys taking a mirror selfie and then there's like a middle aged Asian man you know, behind them both, and it's it's a little dark. But I was just like, I'm blocking this person, so I did it, But now I'm like, well, this person think of me as a bad person who and then they think, well he doesn't he's well, I know, but I know the real bowen ying behavior, which is that he blocks you if you d m him something that you think is funny, you know, like that. I think he's two online if that's the way they vote terminally online. Absolutely, and I'm gonna say I'm gonna say that. You know, the first time I was nominated for a Golden Globe, we went to the Golden Globes as a cast and I sat there in the time a television tier, right, because they put you back just to make sure you know you're a place, and uh, you gotta walk down a couple of steps. Yeah. God, that's exhausting. I've always been a two story house. Ever, I put my time in at the Golden Globes climate anymore. Um. And I looked around, and I do have a point so hanging there. I looked around and I saw like, oh my god, there's literally there's Tom Cruise and El Streep came up and say hello, like all these people were just incredibly starst at it, and you go, the first thought in my head was, boy, we're all lucky, lucky because because yes, everybody has talent whatever on some level, even the people that aren't famous, even everybody working in a place somewhere in the middle of nowhere, we all have like, there's all talent, right, but we all got lucky. And I say that because so many people that I know could have played Jack, that our friends of mine, they could have just played Jack. Why it happened to me, I have no idea, because I got the right appointment on the right they at the right there. So whatever it is, and that's why I think, Uh, it can it can really really happen to anybody. I always stay to kids. When I talked to him in high school or college, I was like pointing to myself, if this idiot can make it happen, literally literally, anybody can't. It's true. Well, we could dispute that because you are an icon and it's so good. Um, but I understand the spirit of what you're saying, which is that there's so many I mean, and then and then wait really quick and then going and Matt having met now worked having been working in this business for for for now, I don't know however long you guys have been working. Is now that you've met famous people and now you are famous yourselves, don't you go, Oh, everybody's the same everybody, Like nobody's better than anybody, nobody's worse than anybody's just like all humans are all the same. Yeah, the stigma of like putting them on a pedestal. Right, it's just like, oh, you do what I do. I do what you do. Everybody does the same. We're on the same business together. Nobody's better. Yes. But what I find interesting is and what I think about when I think about smart List is that I'm like, oh, these three people are from this like this this really great like time in I don't know the culture that I still do put up on a pedestal because I'm just like because now I'm like, oh, I'm like I'm like notorious right now at a time that's very like we're holy and like everyone's famous. Like that doesn't really mean much. Everything I just said back, I do it too. You say that, I think, like, right, oh my god, you Carol Burnet. It's crazy. Yeah, I feel like it just that gets passed down and like I I really do, like you know, I don't know, like when when Bateman hosted, I was like, I can't believe I'm like in this in the sketch with Jason Batemani know, like it's it's it's all these things that I think. Um, I don't know. I guess it's a generational phenomenon. I think people people also over time become pros, you know what I mean. That's another thing, is it's just you get good at at doing this thing that from when you were a kid was a dream. Like sometimes like sometimes I'll tell my parents about something I'm doing and they're like, wait, what That's so cool, And I'm like, oh, wow, that's I was just thinking of it as a work thing. Yeah, Like and it's it's interesting like I remember being that like, you know, server in my early twenties, Like I would watch like the Emmy's from my restaurant job, you know what I mean. And and then like over time it's like, you know, you think it seems so far away and you see the success feel so far away. And then like even going through like the UCB system and knowing people now in the entertainment industry, it's like there really is not that much difference from people that are working right now and people that are not, so I think that, and I don't say that to drag anybody. I just kind of say that to tell everyone that's out there still attempting this to hang in there, because because we aren't. It's not like it was back then where you had to be Carol Burnette to be Carol Burnett. Like now, it kind of like with this single, came of it all like you can just figure it out on YouTube. And I'm kidding, but like, you know what's funny I was gonna bring up. I was some reason I fell down like a YouTube wormhole last night of Jane Krakowski on Ali mcbeil singing the music in the Mirror like she did. They for some reason like let her sing music in the mirror from chorus line and she did the entire number, and I was like, this is a freak of nature talent that like broke through then and is still around. And it's the same with you. And we've also been talking about like you know, we we're watching and just like that and how like you know, we we are enjoying the show but really missed Samantha because Samantha Jones. It's yeah, so um like Samantha Jones and I on my point is like Samantha Jones and Jack McFarland, I think are the two iconic performances. That's what I would say. You're very sweet. Yeah we're rolling right, yeah the um we're still rolling. Yeah yeah, I'm kidding. Um so uh wait, what was gonna say? Oh it has something to say? Oh yes, when I I we have to I have to take some of that back. Like I wasn't kidding because when they were casting Jack's dad for Will and Grace, um, they wanted um John Ritter from Three's Company. I used to watch these company as a kid all the time. And he called me because he couldn't do it because it's schedu stuff, but he wanted to so bad so he called. That would have been perfect I know, perfect right, and because I was obsessed with his physical comedy. But I mean and and it was so wild to get that phone call. He's like, oh my god, I'm such a fan like of me. That's so crazy, yea, Sean, I mean, what do you think? It's like? That's what I'm trying to get across, Like, you know, for someone like us, like I think, yeah, you are you are everybody think they're not. They're not. They're not. But culture really culture number thirty, everyone's they're not. I think it's time to ask you on the question. We gotta okay, just cut. Okay, great, there's another question we have. We have another one, Sean Hayes, What is the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is like the pop culture. I mean you kind of answered this already with like depeche Mode and with the Smith's and yeah, well that's interesting. I don't know if I'm answering the question right. But um, when I was a freshman, I think in college at Illinois State University, one of the greatest universities in the country. Um, the song A Little Respect by Eraser the number one song, and um, do you know the song? Yeah, have a Little Respect? Yeah they they It's embarrassing how I discovered it, but it was in looking the series and I was like, what is this? Ever heard it before? I had never heard it before. Oh my god. Okay, So I remember being in freshman country that songs under Everybody loves Everybody in the country, Like it was nuber one song in America and it was number one song in England of course, Andy Bell, the lead singer of Eraser was Out, was again proud, proud out gay man in Yeah this is before Madonna's Truth or dare where a breath? Like? What are gay people? The other guy was The other guy was the Vince Vince Bell, Vince uh, Andy Bell and Vince Clark. Vince Clark was who wrote who wrote all the music for depeche Mode and yeah uh Vince Clark wrote just can't get enough yeah, and then he wrote, um, you know blue line dress for situation right, moving through the dome on the nation long time, been a long time. Now I get you some. Yeah anyway, so uh he would you guys just play the right for the rights to those or no no, no, no no, and I and and they and these things we have to take the right. Guys. We didn't make money of this week. We paid eight thousand dollars in music right if they had, if they had to do that for our podcast, we we would be bone and I would be in debt forever. And a lot of this is just us breaking out into song. Okay, good, I love it. Okay, So sorry for such a long answer to your question, but so no, no, so Vince Clark and just a little respect, Blue respect, lower, a little respect. So um, I was obsessed with the song and the and the group. And then of course and you meet your gay friends in college, like you're gay two and you're gay two and this is before internet and phones and everything. So, uh my friend Randy, one of my best friends, still funniest fucking guy ever, gay, proud out love him. He is like, you know that guy's gay. I'm like, who It's like the lead singer of the Raiser. I was like, what are you talking about? Like it didn't I couldn't comprehend that someone in the entertainment industry could make money at what they love to do and be out. And I was like floored by that. I was like, how is this guy have a job making albums? I don't understand. And so I'm sure the people before that that I don't not talking about. But for me, my awareness at eighteen and and I came out at eighteen too as well to my family and friends, and uh so that was just a big, big turning point. That's a great answer. It's a great answer. O. La Moore is like a song that I put on like every Pride playlist every summer. I was just like, this is a beautiful song. It's a it's it's like it's like a it's a literal love song, you know, it's rum Yeah. Every and then I would go to all the concerts and then I ran into him on Rose like and I was like, oh my god, and I go, what are you guys doing tonight? And he didn't know he was and he goes, uh, then he doesnt like five years ago, and he's like, how do you memorize all those what? All those lines? Not just it's like you do it all the time you sing your songs, you know. But anyway, Um, he was nice, he was nice. Uh. It's interesting that you say like that visibility was so important to you and that it was like a turning point, because you said you you came out to friends and family when you're eighteen nineteen and and then when did you get when did you so? Will and Grace was your breakout? Right? Like, and at what point did that happen? Ten years after that? Ten years after that? So I'm assuming that you live life throughout your twenties like sort of like you know, being Sean who's the gayest person alive? Yeah, right, and then you get this part, which is Jack who's capital G gay and you know, a threshold opens um in terms of television representation, and yet you still, because of the time period, have to sort of recede from that public. Yeah. I mean I didn't have to, but I didn't come out on a lot of people's terms because but we're also getting death threats and you know, mailed to the thing, and we would get letters like this. One woman sent us a letter, You're going to hell. But I love the show, and I was like what and so uh so it scared me. I was young, and I didn't have the d NA to be a spokesperson for the entire gay community. I still don't. I still don't want the job. I'm just a stupid, fucking dumb actor, you know, So I don't. I don't have the I'm not slick enough to be that person. I gotta say, like, this is what I've learned about myself at least or just about like being queer and like on a somewhat visible platform, is that I'm like people always in such bad faith, like misinterpret who you are, and I feel like I feel like when you were unwilling grace. The potential for that was probably, like you say, like we felt like it was it was, it would have been very dangerous for you. I truly believe this. I really believe that, Like, because people knew my address, people were coming to my house and I was so scared. I wasn't great. No no no, no, no, no, no no no. This is what I'm saying, is that, like I'm kind of like, God, if you guys, if this general audience cannot handle like me, I've I've said, I've talked about this too much on this podcast. But if if a general audience has trouble like following me or making sense of like who I am when I'm on their TV, I'm like, I'm like okay, then like and the headline I think probably is, and this comes with age and wisdom and experience and building confidence and self esteem, is that the more you that you can be, the more successful you would be in all areas of life, relationships, jobs, everything. And so you know, it took it took me a long time to realize that. And so you know, again going back to the only live for five minutes, you know, we're only here for five minutes. It's like it's it's it's too exhausting, as you know, as we all know, live any other way. Yeah, what were you inter erased here? It was that? Was that around the same time as George Michael going solo? Or was that? Yeah? Uh? Was freedom Freedom? Yeah? What? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. We went to an eighties parties this summer and my friends and I were like, fucking George Michael, Yes, he fucking like was out here sucking Dixon Bathroom was not getting a ship like Bravo, like we owe. I feel like we owe a lot to the eighties to like the get the Clear men in the eighties were like doing it. That's because the year that album, although George is out then but publicly in but that I keep going back to because it was Vogue came out and Madonna was such a huge, huge, huge thing, and I don't I feel like it was like you're saying, it was all kind of around the same time, late eighties early nineties that people just got fed up with with hiding in that way. But I also think, like, you know, we've seen it, because it's the fact is like I think that there's all this queer representation now, but you forget like that in terms of the grand scheme of things like that's like a blink of a nile, like like a like a second click on the talk, Oh my god on the talk, a second like tick on the clock of um, like history where it's been even okay to say that you are, you know, different in any way. And so I just can't imagine, like I get a little bit of a glimpse of what bowen Um goes through, like you know, in terms of like what he represents to people. I think it's I think it's an absolute binary thing like it's it's it's if people get angry at you doing something. I don't know, I feel like your brain process is it the same way? Sorry no, but I agree, But I think watching you on Saturday Night Live, it's it's it's what I'm saying, it's because you don't make excuses, you don't make apologies. This is who I am, and the audience fucking loves you for it. Everybody loves that about not only you, but anybody who embraces themselves. And you did it. So I don't think anybody thinks about it. You imagine if Twitter was around, like when Will first started, people would have been it would have been insane people. It's like a zoo with no enclosures. Even today in the year of Our Lord too, when everyone knows better like suck. Did you ever like go on like a message would be like I wonder what the folks think of my performance? I mean we've all looked right, Yeah, just like like if somebody writes a hateful thing on like Instagram or something, all I do every time is I just go, I love you so much. Yeah. Yeah, they're like the short circuit. They don't know what to do with that. Well they oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yes, when you kill them, when when you kill him? Kindness? I mean, did anything fundamentally change when you guys brought it back, like in terms of did you just feel like you were just putting on? Yeah? No, I just felt like, well, you know the reboot you mean right, yeah, the we we we did that, um um what was it called the election video and so it was just got our point of view out. We hadn't seen each other since the show ended, and we did it all the crew did it for free. We did it for free. The writers that everybody came together in a secret um stage that was like it was like a stage underneath the building on the CBS Radford Lite, And and we shot this thing and we're like, by everybody, he was so great to see you, Oh my god, we haven't seen shin so long. And we kissed and we cried and it it was so fun. And then we put it online and it was like millions and millions and millions of people. Yeah, we're like what. And then so Bob Greenblad, who's a friend of mine, he was running NBC, was like, I think we should. Would you guys ever want to do this if we had Benner right here in this dining room I'm sitting at the dining room table like, oh my god. Yeah, everything's so sharp. It's like American Psycho. It's very scary the way. And we all ate here and we'll discussed it and we're just like, yeah, I think we talked about stories that we could do, and I think there's some unfinished stuff. So that's how that happened. Well yeah, anyway, god blast and we were all the better for it. Are you excited to go back to Chicago? It doesn't stress you out? Do you like going neck to Chicago? I love it. I love it. I love it. Okay, it's the great It's a great city. I love it so much. You know, so many friends there and family, and I just it's you love pizza. I love pizza. I love the Chicago food. It's so good. You love pizza. You love the ball games that really feel it as cigars come on? Absolutely, just beer, canned beer, Oh, the big old beers. I love those. Those are so amazing. You know. I actually just went to Chicago to do a show last last month. I was touring with the show, and I stayed in a hotel that was across the street from Wrigley Field. And there is that little boy in me that like had a sports dad that was like this is dark. Yeah, yeah, come on now, I mean it really is. It's like those things are like landmarks like Fenway Park Wrigley feel like these are just like a two minute walk or a minute walk from there. As boys town, yes, talk about balls, talking about you beat me to it. Let me tell you something. I'm younger, I'm quicker, and I'm coming up right behind you. Stupid bitch. You shouldn't never have emboldened me. Oh but guys, I can feel are wrapping up because I'm gay and sensitive. Uh no, no, no, no, we have to do I don't think so, honey, we don't think. Honey, what's that you're you're such a what you weren't you weren't briefed. We have a big segment coming up. It's called I don't think so, honey, it's the whole thing. Oh, do it, let's do it. I don't know what it is. Wait, why are you saying you were sensitive? No? Because I wanted to mention hypochondriactor. Oh wait, we would. We gotta mentioned hYP hypocondriactor. Tell talk to me about it. Wendesdays. Thanks. What's it called? Yeah, you have to Okay, overachiever? Okay, So he's a television I climbed that too, podcast hypocontractor. I do it with my friend Dr Pereca Wally, who's a stand up commedian and a certified doctor, like a incredible doctor, and she U. Because I'm obsessed with medical stuff, always have been. I would say, name a part of my body, anything on me, I have a story about it, except for my gall bladder and that was fine, But anything on my body, yeah, you can say. And it's a problematic one for so many people. Yeah. Right, But I love, love, love medical stories. So I asked David Leonherman once. I was like, you know, what do you what do you like talking about? So I can whenever I come And He's like, oh my god, always medical stories and me too for you specifically loves medical stories. H yeah, for sure. So I was I'm obsessed. So I was like, let's just start a podcast called I'm an actor was a hypochondriac, Let's call a hypochondractor and so, uh, we have guests come on and they talk about their medical issues and uh, it's it's just fantastic and we get to break it down and make fun of it and then be serious about it. Has have you guys talked about shingles yet? Yeah? Of course you got my single side. Don't get me started. What's your most iconic medical issue you've ever had? Ready for this, you buck. I woke up in two thousand seventeen, three days before the premiere of the reboot of Will and Grace. I think it's to my seventeen, and I was like, in three and three o'clock in the morning, I was like, oh my god, my stomach hurts. Oh my god, my stock ds so bad. What is that? I'll just go back to sleep. Oh my god, first I thought, I thought what I thought? It was my fucking small intestine burst open and I had to have emergency surgery almost sucking died and shout where to God? They went in there they cut it out and they taped it back together. And I went on dr Oz to talk about it. You fuck, and I said, and I dr Oz goes. In all my experience, I've never heard this happening, because usually it happens in like the lower the large intestine, or the bowel, or the stock or the calling or whatever, but never in the small intestint right next to your stomach. So it was it was crazy. I could go about the whole. My god, that is yes. And then I took uh, can I stay the name of the drug? Say the name of every drug you've ever take? Stuff? I took oxy cotton. They put it on me for pain, for pain. I was like, not gonna work. I'm too sensitive to all jugs. I hate drugs. I'm not that it's not gonna work. And they loved it. Let me tell you something. Yeah, no, no, I hated it. This is what's so fucking crazy is it fucking takes the pain away? Like I have no pain. I never knew. I didn't think it was gonna work, and it worked, but you know what it does put me in a dark, dark, dark dark hole depression. Mass. I was like, I get you off this stuff. It's horrible. It's horrible, it really I've been on it a couple of times and it's it's crazy, the worst. It's the worst drug ever. Like the second time I had to get my I had a surgery on my nose and um, Like, my mom was like the second you don't need these, we're throwing them away. And I was like, I was like why, and she's like, because you're gonna get addicted to them. And then you put yourself in the face. You're like, oh it's still broken. I need them. Wait but wait a minute, I but really quick and then we can move on. I'm sorry. But the other thing this just happened to me last week. I had a call in uscopy. You guys, when you hit so you go underwrite to stick a camera. If you're asking this, I'm like, smiling maton camera. They stick it up there and right before you know, you go under, right, and um, I said right before I went under, I said, uh, whatever you do in touch my asshole? But come on. Uh so I went like I was sorry they were giving it to me, and I go, I'm really sensitive. Can you give me the probe fall or whatever that's not gonna be out? Like sure? And the body started shaking. That's a whole of this story because that was my reaction to the drug. And he's like, can you just try to relax? And I was like, yeah, I'm trying, but you know, it's just my reaction to the drug. And then the nurse goes, what did you think? And I go about what? And she goes about what just happened about the procedure. I go what, yeah you? I go, are you telling me you already did it? And she goes yeah. I go how long was I out? And she goes twenty minutes? I go twenty minutes? This is like fucking alien probe your time travel? Yeah, that's your time travel. It's crazy. Yeah, just crazy. Contractor every Wednesday, let's start. Okay, listen the podcast king listen to both smart Less on Mondays. Even though they really don't need more numbers to be honest with you. I feel like enough people listen, but were they got one? Dre and Amazon Musclet whatever um and Hypochondriactors is on Wednesdays, and that's you listen to that after you listen to Lost Culture. Okay, Culture, All right, let's go. This is I don't think so honey. This is where we take one minute each to go off about something in culture to really have a polemic. Ready, So sean will each do one first, and then you'll you'll you'll you'll understand how and how it works. Okay, you say, I don't think so honey. Blank your your topic? Okay, So Matt, you want to go first? Okay, this is Matt Rogers. Don think so honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Jenny when of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Okay, let me tell you something right now. You should have been fired because you were bad on the show. First of all, let's just get that out in the open. Is Jenny win good on the show? I don't think, so, honey. Our storylines fake? I do think, so, honey. Is do we upon and her grand scheme to like assume seem like a normal nice person we want to empathize with. I do think so, honey. I don't think so, honey, Jenny Win. On top of all that, now these racist Facebook posts come out, cheering on like the mowing down of like protesters, like this is really really dark a pro Trump Q adjacent. Yeah, all of it, all of that. So we need to say goodbye to Jenny when when? Now? She needs to go because the real house on the Salt Lake City is in a disarray right now. We don't know what our casting look like next year, but I know it can't have Jenny and seconds Mary Cosby. Maybe we need you back. I don't know what to say, but the answer is I don't. And that's one minute. Sehan. Do you watch Salt Lake City? No, I don't watch that. I don't watch the house. You don't do any housewives. You would enjoy it, I think enjoy it. You would love it. You know? You know who loves to jam about the housewives is Molly? Oh really Molly, Molly loves Housewives? And Yang? Would you be ready with it? And I don't think so, Honny. If I said it was your time, I I would be. But also just the Jenny wine of it all like you said, deeply uncompelling reality show character. I was gonna say. I was gonna say, like, you know, she seems like a perfectly nice person, but now we know that is no longer true either. I mean whatever, let's just keep going. I mean, you can't be both. You can't be boring as a housewife and bad as a housewife and ineffective on television and also a like like it goes beyond racist. The posts were like abhorrent, they were they were really bad. It was like it was like the crazy sis relative you have the person that influences them. That's how bad the Facebook posts were. So she's gotta absolutely go yeah, yeah, and that's going to have to happen asap. And I will stress she's also bad on the show. She's bad TV. She's not even funny. When now when now? When she got to go? Now? Um, so this is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now, I don't think so, honey. One word names titles for anything, movies, restaurants, people, even I don't want to go to your restaurant called tough It. I don't want to see your movie called Arrival. Arrival doesn't apply to all movies. Let's just say, but I don't want to talk to you if your name is Greg, okay, better be Greg John, Gregg John, and then your last name is Jones. Seconds. I want more than one word in every single name title of everything, because guess what, my brain can handle it, I promise you, and so can most people's. Okay, do not underestimate your audience. Let them think just a little bit. Get the gray matter going, Oka, Beyonce, are you listening, Add the knolls back in, Add the knolls, Carter back in. I promise you will remember you. If you're good, we'll remember Yeah. And that's one minute. Wow. True, it's so crazy how you were like, I don't want to see her one name moving and then I say one film and it's sort of the thing. I swear to God, this is this is the first. The first moment that I felt this was when Disney decided to rename Rapunzel tangle. But that's not that's not a great example because punzel is also the one word. But oh no, Frozen. It was gonna be called the Snow Queen and then they changed it to Frozen. I was like, No, don't you know why they did that. It's a market things so that they so that it could be marketed to girls and boys. Yes, they didn't want that. Yes, I know why people do this because it's it's easier to remember. But I feel like we should start to move away from that as a culture. You know. I I like what you're saying. My personal favorite thing is when someone has three names. Absolutely, and that's to me, You're you're only it's gonna be that's gonna be my thing, not gonna think of something else, which is not what name Patrick Sean Patrick hay very good. I really started. Okay, Sean Patrick Hayes. This is this is Sean Patrick Hayes. Is I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey, people with three names. That's first of all, it's too exhausting. I'm too I get to the end, I'm already sleeping. I'm not tiring. And it's right, it's too much work. I think that it says something more about the person than the actual name. It says that you don't think you're good enough with just the two. Oh right, and you are. And I'm here to tell you. You are. There's no need for the three. Nobody has time, nobody thinks you're better. You're better than the other person with just two seconds, just more work. You better keep going. I don't need the time. He's still tired from saying all these three name names for all these years. He doesn't want to finish the rest of it. I don't think so, honey. And and that's from someone who used to be called Sean Patrick Hayes. Listen, you used to go by San Patrick hay then when I first started, and I was like, this is exhausting. I think it's I'm not gonna say it rings nicely, it's very theater. I changed that Sean P. Hayes. And then the middle initial is not is not a thing, I don't think. I don't know like there was because there's so many Matt rogers is in SAG when I joined, and they were like, do you want to still be Matt Rogers? You should change it? And I was like, I'm not changing Matt Rodgers. I am Matt Rogers. And they were like you sure you don't want to be Matt are Rogers. And I'm like, listen to what you just said. What you just said, matt Are Rogers. No, let me laughed out of this town. Although I have been doing this thing lately where I've been actually absent mindedly introducing myself as Matthew, which I like. I like that Matthew Rogers. You know who I think is doing it to prank us. Who Samuel L. Jackson. It's just it just it just doesn't doesn't roll off that Nobody calls him that unless he's introduced as that on a time. Yeah, he's Sam Jackson, I think right like you probably know him Sam, Yeah, I do know him. He's such a nice guy. But does he do? Do you call him Samuel L? I call him Sam Sam yea yeah, do you ever call him Sammy? No? But my uh, one of my godsons is Sam Sammy? And I go, that's probably really a great thing to hear. Whenever he comes in, he because he just knows he's gonna just rolls his eyes. Yeah, you know this, actually you know who I'm realizing this this whole I don't think so how you just it is fully dragging and this is supposed to be an episode celebrating her. Is my sister. His name is Chelsea Ryan Rodgers her first name is Chelsea Ryan, which I think is the chicest thing, and then she she hates it. She's like, no, just Chelsea, and I'm like, Chelsea Ryan. It's too It's like it's like it's like Mary Kate, like our beth Am. It's like Chelsea Ryan. Just never Sarah Jessica um Well, listen. Hypochondriactor is out on Wednesdays. Smart List is out on Mondays, which is two days before that. Yeah, it sounds like a media diet to me. Thanks, thanks for the double lambs. Sorry god, sorry god, Listen. I would be remiss if I didn't say one more time. You really are the best, and it makes me so happy that you're you're in my life and you really did. You gave me such a give there with that role on Q for us, and I thank you for that. And you're just the best. And every time, every time I hear from you, and I just can't believe my life. Likewise, I love you. I'm I'm rooting for you and I'm mooting from you Bowen and I love you, guys, So we love you. You're You're, You're You're true hero. I never, I never, I don't really throw that word out. But I mean, you're really you really are, so thank you for joining us. Thank you guys. And we end every episode of this podcast, Believe it or Not with a song part noise Gallows Gallows, Um, what's the song? Bo but you gotta have baby? Wow? It really is. It's so like intense, so it's so toppy. Yeah, asking me to stay safe, please please please, that's um wow, but that you would smoke it all right, fire right,