"Powerful" is a word that one could use to describe this episode of Las Culturistas, in which Matt & Bowen are finally joined by Bitch Sesh's gorgeous duo Casey Wilson and Danielle Schneider to touch grass, praise Mandy Moore, speak on forgiveness and vulnerability in a very Brene manner and ruminate on the concept of "hope". Also, all things RHOBH, RHOSLC, RHOP. Kathy Hilton: what's the deal there? Which of the franchises is the *darkest*? Is it better to interact with Housewives in the wild or simply not think of them as human? All this, OG soap operas, female character actresses living out loud, White Lotus season 2, The Vow season 2, The Mole, and more. Do you think psychics and mediums are to be believed? Do you want to see another trip where the Housewives ski? Would you use a gift certificate from a dog therapist to see a wizard? So many questions. *Some* answers. ALL fun. An honor to host these two! Love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look man, oh, I see you? Why bow and look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness Dingdal lost culture rests calling well. First of all, it is a great prosperous a moment in the culture, is a great landmark day in world culture. It is the birthday of Bone Yang and Rebecca Romaine and Stone. I think Ethan Hawk shut up. It's a good birthday. And myself, not including myself, I'm saying a lot of great people who we love it in mire share a day with me. Wait, there's one more that's like Sally Field, Sally phild And I was just with Sam at brunch. I'm broadcasting live from the Palm Springs Ace Hotel. I'm broadcasting live from Hotel Chelsea, haunted place. Now talk about that? Is it sort of Divicious killed his girlfriend here? You're kidding me? That asshole? That asshole? What an asshole jerk? A Mandela Poor lives here, Hattie Smith, Ryan Adams wort of song about Hotel Chelsea. But we don't like him anymore. But after what he did to Mandy more unforgivable. No, and you can't cross Mandy. It's actually a real culture. It's it's a lost culture. Is this thing like, it's real culture. If you cross Mandy, you crossed us. What rule numbers that too? That's real culture number two. That's way up there. It's so important, you know. I would like to have Mandy Moore on the podcast. I have so many things to ask her. We need to get Adam Shankman to like send in some questions and have it be like a pseudo Walk to Remember reunion, because I told Adam Shankman myself, I said the DVD commentary of A Walk to Remember, it's Adam Shakeman, Mandy Moore, and Shane Wes. The three of them are having a blast laughing at Darryl Hannah's wigs. It is a who in half and the three of them love each other. You can tell. Wait, hold on. Something that gets lost in the conversation about A Walk to Remember is dar mom Oh my god. Wow. That needs to be more of a topic. And every day called people don't talk about Darryl Hannah's wiggs from that old movie from I Feel Like I Want to Remember was one of the last times where Christian culture and gay culture intersected, and then since then it's just been a diverging path. Well, you know what I'll always remember about. I want to remember it was late in afternoon last four and soon wait what our vocalist of Vocalista many more, Oh my god, the Tangled reprises. I'm talking about the reprise for Mother Knows Best and when Will My Life Began? Oh, don't even get me started now. I'm rock hard thinking about the second reprise of That's when My Life be games? Good luck to everyone in this hotel. She literally touches grass or to use that term from the Internet, for the first time and sings It's perfect musical theater moment. Her emotions are so strong that she has to say she has no other choice, hitting the pause button. Smack. What is touches grass? Oh, it's like when someone's like two online, you're like you should touch go and touch grass. You know. I'm really happy I know that now because I'll use that a lot. But it's it's already on its way out, like people are already using it too much. Well, shit, I just fell on you just fell in love with it. It's like what Eva Longoria says in Desperate Housewives, but we've already fallen in love with her. Oh my god, it's just like that that was a great art. Speaking of housewives, I was just talking about Desperate house as the day. Actually it's due for combat. I can feel it. I can feel the ground swell of Desperate Housewives culture making a huge return. Yeah, because I'll tell you what's back. Funny satire. Um, it's been gone and now it's back. We need social suburban satire now. Although I don't think they can reboot it, because can you really give Felicity of a job now, major criminal, big felon, huge Hollywood felon, Felicity Hoffman. But I think she released one of the better Hollywood apologies in the last five years. You think this way. I thought her apology was nice and messed up. That William H. Macy kind of not involved in that sort of crucifixion, hands clean of the whole situation. Willie definitely sucked off a dean. You know, he knew he sucked off a dean. He walked down to college, you pen and sucked the dean. And before we can say that, starts saying that bravely, bravely, proudly and bravely, bravely new use a touch of grass. Before we can bravely say on Musculturis this that William H. Macy has been sucking the cock of every dean in college industrial complex the nation over, Then we can't say we're a podcast that breaks ground. And speaking of podcasts that breakground today is actually a huge deal in podcasting history because it's too critically acclaimed podcasts sort of getting together to shoot the ship. Absolutely, well, let's just keep it at that. I don't want to limit us because I feel like the four of us together this is I not want to really say this and self label in this way, but this is powerful. Not since Marcia Cross, even Terry Hatcher and I'm one of America's biggest criminals. Felicity Huffman got together. Don't forget nicolet Sheridan Honey, there's not a fifth and I'm sorry, but she was supporting and had she known that, she wouldn't have gotten too the trouble she got in. She needed to know her place, She need to be thankful she came there, hit her mark, do her sassy one liners, and get the hell out. The fact that they even gave her deep arcs was huge. It's true, and we could get more into that because you know who they throw around her name as as a potential Beverly Hills cast member. Let's talk about it with our guests. Our guests are so wonderful, incredible comedians, real hot wives of Elando, real hot wives of Vegas and more, I mean incredible actresses and writers in their own right. They also host the truly iconic podcast bit Sesh, the kind of podcast that you go on and then a hundred people come out of the woodwork, as they say, and they say, wow, you were on bitches. That was amazing, people from high school. Yeah, that's the power. Damn, that's the power. Like we said, they are the host of bitch That. We are so happy and it was long overdo It's actually humiliating. It's taken the song to get them on. But please welcome into your ears. I hear on last culture as this let's go, We're off. This does feel like a meeting of the minds. I'm going to try not to. I'm so excited to be here and with my brethren that i feel like I don't want to talk too much, you know, like I want to like, just why else did we bring you on? You have to talk crucial that you talk. No, But I'm so excited, I'll just have like Diary of the Mouth. I'm trying to like chill myself. I mean, look, we've already said that William H. Macy sucks. I've been angry that he has really gotten to the background and had no repercussions. He's on TV left and right. Yeah, I want to say, guys, hi, I'm so happy to be here. But I am wearing a jumpsuit that last Halloween I pulled out two seconds before my kids started took retreating. I took a piece of tape, I wrote Felicity Huffman, innate whatever on here, and I got an s a t prep book and I walked out the house. And so it feels right that I'm wearing this to to be with you all on this incredible pod. Very so, did she do a hard time? She did do a little time. I think she did like fourteen dates. I'm not even kidding. I think Lori did like two months. Yeah, Lori, you know, got her daughter on like an a rowing machine, and that costs more in the eyes of a lot. That's soft time time, that's soft mochi bite time just really pillowy and juicy and whatever. Well, that's like Hollywood prison. It's true. But I'm ready to forgive. I don't know about Lorie, but I'm ready forgive Felicity. I forgive them absolutely. You know, forgiveness is a major part of the human condition, and I'm so happy that we're talking about it here. Forgiveness so important. When was the time that you forgave? Never? Not once? Yeah, I heard that if this podcast all of a sudden became very Burnet Brown, like you didn't realize that we had pivoted, we get decided to TiVo fifteen minutes before. It's more about humans run screaming. Berne is not even about forgiveness though. Anyway, I don't understand Burnet, and I know I'm alone in this and I'm going to hear about it. No, it's okay, should be yeah, okay, what's confusing? We don't have to unpack her. I just the whole like vulnerability thing. I just I don't know. It's She's not it for me in that world. And I will go to every unaccredited spiritual healer in the broken City. You I'll give anyone two dollars and take their advice. But something about her hasn't grabbed me. Okay, am no, no, no, no, no, no, You're not wrong at all, because I think vulnerability became like the catch all phrase in her work, and it's not the thing. I don't think that's the thing she should be known for. I think anything she should be known for shame, or at least emotional linguistics, like the act of naming your emotions as you feel them helps shape the experience of what you're going through. Well, you have just said, I have understood it so much more because both ability. I was hanging my hat on that word, know what was happening with it. But shame I can Okay, I'm recontextualize shame. Shame I got, I would. I can hang my hat on shame any day of the week. I get out, I get a hat. Stand. I remember she came up with her like HBO Max series that was recently out. I drank a weed Seltzer, got out of notebook. I was taking notes. Okay, I was like, all right, I'm here, I'm ready to go, I'm in class. I paid more attention to her as like a professor than any college course. Wow, and you got a lot out of it, a lot? Okay, I used to drive around this city of angels and just play her books in the car and weep like that was like when I couldn't afford therapy. Brown and me and my car were just like, this is right, this feels great. Yeah, that's incredible worth the price of gas. Meanwhile, I have like a gift certificate to see a wizard, and that is not a joke. So I think it's time to who gave it to you? How much is it for which wizard? My friend caught she's a dog therapist and she gave me a certificate to a wizard, and she's just like, he'll change your life. There's no other He goes by wizard, and I wish I could call him by any other aim a rose that smells. He goes by wizard. So his name is wizard and his occupation is yeah, wizardry, And you know again, I will see anyone. So I'm looking forward to his teachings at amazing two hour session. I don't know what's going to happen there. But you haven't You haven't done yet. No, No, I just had my gift certificate and it has to print out. Amazing. What do you what do you hope will or could happen. I mean, oh my gosh, there's so many possibilities. Whatever this wizard says will be like that's the thing I've needed this whole time, and I'm so stupid and everything I've done up till now is like a fraud, and so I hope for anything he tells me, I'll latch onto. I'm sure have you guys done the because now the big thing is terror readings on apps like you Chat with the Terror. So I downloaded Sanctuary in addition to other astrology stuff, and you can pay for a dollar a minute or some some people like five dollars a minute. Some people really charge up, but um I did one. And this lady was like, you should consider past life analysis. And I'm like, okay, this has gone too far, but maybe should consider spending more money here see bowen. When I hear that, I'm like, wonderful and thank the right by my past? Is this beautiful tarotok? The mysteries of love? What does that say? Oracle decks, the greatest oracle deck of all time. You pull your card today, show the cards, Daniel, just show how gorgeous they are. Yes, this is the card that I pulled today. I'm just gonna show you this is important hope. Oh my god, that today and that's a beautiful photo to that orchid is very gorgeous. Yes, I'm gonna call it an orchid. Those cards were gorgeous, Cobalt blue and goal. Yeah. Okay. So with the theme of hope on today's episode, and then the theme of the episode is of course hope forgiveness and hopefully betterment and shame and shame, I want to say some names for you, which this is what US Weekly reports, Okay, and this was this is a report that just came out. I don't know if we're seeing this. And again it is way too early. And this is almost definitely. Of course they've seen it. It was on my Google alert this morning. But please proceed. I want to say these following names. Brandy Glanville, Kyle Richards, Lisa vander Pump, Sutton Strack, Erica Jane Garcel, friend of Doriet Kemsley. Do we have hope for this? Is this possible? Can this happen? So? Ren is not mentioned at all. She is not no, no, Diana, no Crystal. Wow, you know what right? His rain right? Beautiful? Perfect? I love the reintroduction of one Lisa vander Pump to take everything off of its heels, like everybody feels like it has to happen. Yeah, it feels nice. That feels real good. I don't need Lisa back, Lisa vander Pump back personally, but I'm ready to set sail to I think she's a ghoul. Yeah, it's it's become very ghoulish. It's become like it's become well, now it's like it's there's a sort of thing where they're like, say it's say it's say it's a Crystal all season about whatever this dark thing was. And now I'm like, Tarna, Okay, say it. What is it that Kathy said that was so coolul crazy? What does it? Say it? Yeah, nobody will. If you can't say it, you're off my screen. You gotta say it. Crystal is just too normal to me. I know moms that know her. I don't want that. I don't want to have one connection to these people. I appreciate her beauty as well. I mean, I love something to feast my eyes upon and I you know what I mean, And she is gorgeous, So for that reason alone, I like her in the cast and I do think she calls people out, you know, in a way that some of the other girls don't. She's willing to speak truth to power, which I enjoy. But she is normal. She's someone i'd be friends with him. That's difficult. But it's when she calls people is when it's a good TV and she seems reticent and reluctant to do that until she's shoved into the court, like she really had to get backed up at the reunion for her to blow up a it was this is what I'll say, Like, when I knew it was going to be a bad season for Kyle, I was like, oh no, like bummer, I love Kyle. And then by the end, I was like, no, she really needed to have a bad season, because this is what I'll say about Kyle Richards. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the word me more like everything is me. It only hurts me. It hurts me when you do this. It's me, and I have to deal with it. Me me me. Meanwhile, whenever anyone else has any issues, she's sort of like, why are you upset about that? Like dismissing every single thing Crystal said all season at in regards to how she was feeling and how she was experiencing things. She sort of does it with Garcel to which you know not to say too much, but there's a common thread there. It seems like she has some blindness, will say, and I just feel like there's a self centered nous, which in the past has been cute, and now it's just like, no, like you can't just do this queen bee thing anymore. Like in an environment where these are not actually women that are your natural friends anymore, they're like not scared of you in the same way, and so they're going to call out the fact that you center yourself constantly. And I think that seems to be what Kathy Hilton's biggest issue with her is is that no matter what, it always is all about Kyle. And that's something you learned to like stop doing, like in your mid twenties, not your mid fifties. Wow. Well, you know they say you get stuck at the age you get famous at. That's what they do say. And these women, especially the younger or Kim and Kyle, have been famous for a very long time and they are all under the still under the heavy foot of big Kath Big Kathy. She's looming large over all of this. He was very from this guy, from this guy, MoMA Cathy. Have any of you ever met Kathy Hilton in person? I wouldn't, dare I did. Wow. So I met her at an Emon Marcus event a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, on a shopping Spria. I was on a shop and actually I wasn't. It was very much like it was like a fancy weird It was pre Halloween and they were having like a Christmas event and Lupine and was there most beautiful woman I have ever seen in person, truly stunning. There were other people there too, and then Kathy Hilton was there, and I guess someone that works for her was like, do you want to meet Kathy? And I was like, oh my god, I guess, so I guess I have to here I am I being asked. So I went over to her, and like when she shakes her hand, she looks you dead in the eyes and sort of says hi, and then like expects you to say something, And all I could get out was Hi, Kathy, it's nice to meet you, and I just want to say Team Kathy. And she goes and then someone next to me was like, I actually know a mutual a friend of yours. And she goes, oh, of course, of course yes, and then she had a conversation with them. But all I could say was team Cathy. And here's why she's much scarier than you think she's going to be. I believe that, I believe very intimidating, really much less cuddly, less cuddly, it's less what a goof and more like, oh my god. I was just gonna say, we've been on such a journey with her because I think we thought we knew Kathy and then she comes on the show and we're all like, that's not the Cathy we thought, like with this box fan and daughtering around and we were so excited. It wasn't the Caty we thought that. Then when she was unmasked as the Kathy we knew her to be before, we're now also confused. So you hear that in person she's tough. Is I'm taking it in, you know? And it wasn't It wasn't even tough. It wasn't even like she wasn't nice. She was like she fully came over and shook my hand, took a picture with us, and like then she went on her marry a way. But I guess what I'm saying is in person, it's an intimid dating vibe. Like it's not like, Hi, it's not warm, It's very like in the way that it's like her house is like, you know, very well decorated, but there's like a coldness and how like calculated the decoration is. Like That's kind of what I'm responding to is it's like a very put together Beverly Hills woman who's like in charge. Kyle on the other hand, Casey and I have met Kyle and been in her house and the one in in Cino, the one that that it's like a mansion with a dog mansion side of it. We've been there and Kyle could not be warmer. Yeah, that makes sense. And she did do the splits on that black and white parquet floor, which nobody at well with Kathy. I feel like Kathy has the teeth obsession is alarming, a huge red flag. The birth order is important here to consider, and I feel like Cathy is a perfect example of like her sinality determinism, where you're like, can people really change? Maybe not? Maybe she is She's always who she always was, and like and like what Casey's saying, like she was not like the cuddly goof, she never was that person. Like we caught like they show caught her in that little moment where she seemed to have like had a quirky little phase for a few months. You know. Yeah, this is the brine Brown. I want to listen to the thing about the Kathy Hilton of it all is it is there is a huge element of darkness here with the Paris Hilton school of it all. And also I was recently watching the Bling Ring documentary Yes so bo when I told you about it last week, So there's a Netflix documentary and obviously Paris Hilton was one of the people robbed by the Bling Ring. And they're the point in the episode where Paris is like sort of dancing like like sort of you know, seductively and like maybe she's a little drunk or whatever. This is like height of Paris, like two thousand six seven. In the background is Kathy just sort of standing there with arms folded, like smiling a smile. And I'm like, this is not like I gotta bring my fan with me. I wear slippers in the airport. Energy this is like a calculated family decision to have the fame be this type of thing, you know, like it's you know what I'm saying, Like it's not all peaches and creams. Yeah. And I also think, and I feel like I've been saying this for a little while, which is that like we don't get a Paris to Hilton and a Baron Hilton. I don't know from but we don't get those two I don't know from Nikki. Is the title of that I don't. I don't know from Nicki, But I don't you don't get those two pieces of let's honestly be true garbage without somebody else, you know. And I'm not saying we're all to blame for our children. Who knows my child could be a seo real killer and I refused to take responsibility for it. But I just feel like it, like Carthy, I feel Cathy looming over them. I don't it was fun to see her us this dottering thing, and I do believe that that is a part of her personality. But there is darkness there. There's power play there. To talk about darkness in a way that feels um like exceptional within Housewives is wild bingo, like everybody's dark right for us to really see that and all agree they're it's like, you know what I do like about Kathy is how for some reason her and Garcella is like exempt from all her Like at no point was gonna like and wait till what she said about Garcella and Kathy is always in the corner with Carsella being liketh almost like she's always pulling Garcella off, like you get it funny, a little odd little pair there. But yeah, and I always forget that Kathy and Crystal or BFF, like, oh what's that about? It would seem that they had never seen each other on the street. Remember when she came over to yeh, when she came over to visit was like hey and then sat down and I was like, oh, y'all, y'all just have Okay, here's a question. Is Beverly Hills the darkest franchise? Yes, at this moment, yes, I think. I for a while I thought Orange County was so dark because that is a is a franchise built on like it's a it's a house of cards, like there's no money, there's no culture, no culture in Orange County. It's actually shocking. It's like a kitchen island is the culture. Yeah, it's like we just redid the kitchen island, and that kitchen island is made from cardboard. Like there's no like if you took off the four mica it would be cardboard, and there's no real structures, Like there's no money, there's no personality, there's no there there. And so I find that vacuum of like gravitas, you know what I mean, Like that vacuum of anything real, like to be really dark to me personally, it's like it's like it's taking place in a you know, like a strip mall. Yes, literally, but Beverly Hills has overtaken that right now. Beverly Hills has. For me, it's the sisters elements, Like the three Sisters were always saying there's like a Checkovian thing happening with the three of them. There's something so dark with those sisters. And when we go back to the limo ride and you're an alcoholic and we see the whole thing, and then we've got Rick is the real entrepreneur with real estate, and then Maurizio. It's so much just going on there that the family element to me takes us to another level of darkness, and Beverly Hills is an incredibly dark place, of course. Yeah, I mean from the beginning, what I've actually really liked about it was it was about the cracks in the China and like when when when they're actually got revealed what was under there, It was like fascinating because of the depths of how dark it was. Like I think probably the darkest thing that's ever happened on any house as franchise is Taylor Armstrong and Russell, you know what I mean. Like that's because he's dead and he was probably going to kill her had he lived. That's like the base reality that we're working at. But it does feel like and I will say this the reason that Bowen and I love Potomac so much, and not to say that Bowen and I don't acknowledge that Potomac has been dark. It is probably at times at one point anyway been the darkest. With some of the parents, it gets dark, yeah, yes, but it's fun. That's funny, and like it feels light Like I love that. Like what I'm like kept up about at night is the fact that Robin cannot put together a family Funday of that family Funday. She couldn't even pay for a bounce house nothing. Mama couldn't get a spread together like anything on a folding table. Let me ask you guys this. You know we've we've talked about this at length, but I haven't heard your opinions. What do you think about Ashley divorcing Michael? Like is this real? Like what's happening? I think it's maybe just a whole gambit for Michael Darby to be like, I don't want to be on camera for the show anymore. Let's do something about that and like kind of stage some whole divorce plot. I don't know. Um, something about the call of Ashley getting the call in the car on the drive home from the family Fun Day event seemed a little off. Even though that it seemed off, but I was like, oh, but I couldn't tell, like the reality was a little bit and we didn't know really where we were in time and space or something about it. Huh Okay, So I'm not I'm not alone in this. It was weird that it ended like that. Yeah, it was like the family Fun Day event happened, and then she's in the car doing loops and like I just can't turning around in a call to Saco and it was so odd. It was so weird, and I will so my opinion on this is I think it's a real divorce, but I think it's not as complicated as they're making it out to be. And that's where they're producing it for television, which is that it's probably pretty cut and dry. She certainly has like the amount of money she's getting worked out, like you know what I mean, Like they they've known they were getting divorced for a few years. I'm certain of it, and they're probably just making it seem more contentious. I don't know about that because the baby though, the new kid. Yeah, but don't you think that Ashley's like, you will give me these children? Like I think that she has enough agency in that where it's like, even if they were to break up, she was like, I'm getting my kids out of this because that's ultimately why I married you. That's all I'm getting young. Yeah, and I don't think that he wants them full time, Like I don't think there's an argument with you know, Like, I just don't think he's interested. I mean, he's a hundred I think of the yet he's the oldest living man in Potomac. Have you felt a darker space in that apartment on the ground picking up the toys it's made of glass? Just something about him with that one beer. The two of them love those coronas so much, and it is so wild to watch them sit around drink corona toys littered on the ground, an unsafe atmosphere for children. Glass every mirrored, and glass everywhere you look. I'm so upset in that apartment. Although despite all of this, back to your earlier point, it is the lightest show. When Candice breaks the fourth wall immediately and just says fourth well, no, I screamed, I stopped the show. I broke in a sweat. And then when she just they're so funny when she said, not today, Satan, not today, neck, not today, ankles. We don't have it. We don't don't have we don't have it, We don't have it. Matt and I talked about this last couple episodes, But like that moment in the dance studio where she just breaks fourth wall and goes, what are we doing? Yeah, looks at the camera says what are we doing? So impactful, She saw it all I screamed, screamed said last week with a certain Housewives memes that we love like like like whenever say is like um, I like the beat, or like bow and said when the Daylight savings DURINGDA what if your son died? And another one another one. Someone did a meme of Ariel when she gets her voice back. I need Eric? Where really good? I need Eric? I said. Whenever I get into any argument with anyone, I'm getting up off the floor out of my cross legged situation and saying I need Eric, and I'm stomping out. I said. We latched onto Doug Dog. I do remember when Andy called for Doug. What do you want to do? Because what do you want to do here? Doug kyles I. We did this Halloween show about ten people dressed up as Doug. They all had headsets. I was dying. It was like everybody decided to be Andy Judge he did, he did. It was just Doug, Doug, have your potatoes, Dug. Someone dressed up as a chicken tender that Erica said, Crystal cris God our friend Tim Murray, who's been on the podcast, he came to a very crowded Halloween party the other day as Kathy Hilton's Congo line. He had one person in front of him, one person like he made like mannekins, and there was one on his front and one on his back, and he was like the party was too crowded as it was, and he was like trying to get through as Kathy Hilton's line. And I really think that was Wow, that's great, beautiful. But back to Potomac. I also love Karen and Giselle's relationship, Like, even though it is obviously fraught, there is such humor and love there that when they do get together, there's nothing funnier. I think someone said to them, hey, stop, like just please get together. We need it as an age, just have to. And they're like fine, and it's so fun and and there are It is all building towards a Candice and Ashley sort of team up to Like it feels like the old rivalries are breaking down and new ones are formed, unexpected ones are forming in their place, and they am not seggling right now. It's the Salt Lake, but I feel like that's I was just thinking that bone yes with Heather and Whitney kind of breaking off and Lisa, what do you guys make of Salt Lake. I'll be honest with you, it's actually becoming less fun for me, just because I always struggle with a cast of women that's really small, because especially when the dynamics are so firm, like it's like Meredith and Lisa, it's just not moving forward, and Heather and Whitney seemed to not be moving forward. And with Jen it's kind of like, I think all the juices sucked out of her scenes actually because we know what happens and we know she's lying, so she has no credibility, so therefore she's not a grounded character in the show. And I don't I certainly don't have fun watching her, nor do I enjoy where it's gonna go, Like if it's if we're gonna go there, let's get there. That's what I think about Salt Lake right now, is it's moving slowly. Although I did enjoy the Talent Show at least the beginnings of that. Someone Danny Pellegrino and everything kind of described Whitney and Angie Harrington, which by the way, that's a haunted situy. There their dance toos being from Greg Gardens, and I that absolutely it Gardens, but bones not a salt like stam, I am right, but you more like the fun Potomac energy. The Potomac energy is something that I feel like is sorely missing from so many people's lives and my own. I just it's the kind of television that's hard to find. It's the I don't want that much reality TV. And I'm not saying that in a snooty way. I'm just going like, it's because I feel like it's hard to arrive at that. There's there's an alchemy in Potomac that is very, very, very very hard to land on. Well. To have a person throw a taco party sprinkling writes the passage whatever, and then not serve one taco like that is you can't get that anywhere, Like, yeah, you don't get that every like come on like that and even and I feel like I'm so invested in in in what's going on in that show, even though it is like the lowest Steaks compared to a lot of other shows. Like Ashley Darby showed up to an Essental after party a month ago and I was just so annoyed with her at the time in the show that I was like, I'm not saying EI to her, like like the spills over into my real life where I'm like, I'm not and then I'm at at upfront, I've told the story I made eye contact with Gazelle Bryant, and I think she this is me assuming so much and thinking so highly of myself. But I'm like, she knows I've talked about her publicly. I think they do know. But no, I don't know. But but wait, so so you ladies like because like the iconic the podcast are you and Danny? Like? You guys are the podcasts for four Housewives? Do you do you get people reaching out ever and like angry at you? You know, I I don't say this sounds like I'm being funny, You're trying to be rude. I don't think a lot of the housewives can get at podcasts. And that's just a I don't think they know how. Yeah, because if I like post anything, I'll get some d ms, but it's like nothing compared to what we've said. Also, remember how none of the housewives in Beverly Hills could get through like one page of a newspaper article, Like when they're like something that they were cared about, you know, something that they were like invested, Like I couldn't read Erica's that whole article. I couldn't. She was the only one that read like any of it. Well, Sutton read it, but she took all morning. Yeah, exactly. So I think if they feel that way about podcasts, like I can't listen to all of this, like you know, Lisa, Lisa Wrenna has has come after me a bit and she's watching Watch What Happens Live and firing off d MS right away whatever anyone's saying. She's she's at you. And it was scary. I had to take a colon up in She's got touch grass. She did. She was like, Danielle, can you read this? I was like, I'll get through it, like I'll figure it was so scary, honest. But I guess we're asking like has it colored your interactions with housewives that you've had, Like you know, we try not to ever really interview them or fly too close to the sun. I don't want to. I I just filmed the video with Sonia where I pretended to be her intern. But Sonia I put in a class over here. You know, she's so fun and sweet, and I would feel the same way about her, But I don't really want to get to know these gals as much as I love them, sure, and I also want to be able to talk about them and not feel bad. So they also sort of have to remain like characters in this great show that I'm watching, as opposed to like real human beings. Then like if it's like to me and it's but we do love them, it's not like we're coming about this from an angle of like, oh, these stupid idiots, Like I have real love in my heart for the respect human beings that put their lives on you know what I mean, I don't and I change on them every day, one eighty from week to week. So it's best if I don't view them up close and personally, yeah, right, and what while still remembering that they have to be people first and not because I think that was the thing I didn't watch too much Bravo Con stuff. I know you guys said and you didn't send, but Ray and Ira reported back to you on Bravo Con and it was a great opposite to the field. But I feel like the thing my takeaway from Bravo Con was like the booing of Rehnna, Like all this other stuff like just like the interactive element of that with the fans there while certain conflicts were being sort of played out on stage, there was something a little there's something a little dissonant to me about that. I was like, Oh, we're not used to this element in the normal Housewives scheme. Yeah, the streams are kind of crossing. There's something happening where it's like it is getting a bit I like them to stay inside in the TV me too, that bad? Is that wrong the thing? And watch my stories. I want to watch my stories in my program, right, I want to watch my stories. It's our soaps. Yeah, And you know what it reminds me of now, it's it's it's reminded me a lot of like the w WF, you know what I mean, where it's just like it's now become like an interactive element of it. It's like, you know, they know to amp up their fans like and that to me is like it's drifting away from like what it is and more like for example, like on the Beverly Hills reunion, I think we spent much more time on social media things that happened after the show than on things that happened on the show, you know what I mean, Like, I don't think we even discussed big plot points in the season, Like, but we spent so much time on these bots. Like you know, whose name wasn't even uttered? I knew it. I was Star. Thank you his high note? Can he sing now? Can Constantine Maroula? Thank you for that? A name we haven't heard. Oh he just shot up out of bed. He was like speaking of constantly, Marls. That's sort of a look back and culture. And so this being your your first appearance on the show, what we do is we ask every single guest that rolls through, what was the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is the touchstone of Quickly Came Podcast last culture Ristas Danielle, we will ask you first, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? For me growing up in the eighties and nineties, I'm going to say, like the original soap operas, you know what I mean? I think what connects you to oh for sure, because it's women living out loud, you know what I mean? It was for me definitely, like the Susan Lucci and the Dallas and the Dynasty and the like, just like my favorite characters not being in an anyway likable or anyway anything I could relate to, just these like wild storylines and people screaming. Like I was six years old watching General Hospital, Like my mom would just sit me in front of it and be like have that. She was like Luke and Laura are getting married. Watching my mother was a massive all my children General Hospital exactly. So it was just like that was in front of me and I my girlfriend was watching like Smurfs and Sesame Street, and I was like, fuck that ship. It's like get me young and the restless, you know. And sometimes what's great about living in the Valley, which I now live in Glendale, but I used to live in the Valley, and what was great about it is I would see these soap opera stars that I used to grow up with, like loving aged and pulled. But it's gorgeous to see like the men and women. Like I said, I saw Jack Wagner in a hot yoga class and I almost ship, my this is life's old, Like not old, I just mean like like time bound, whether I'm weathered emotional relationships, paras, social or whatever with these people. Yes, I think that to me at a very young age was where I came up with the culture for me, because they were in homes every single day, you know what I mean. Like that was it's one thing to be a TV star, and like I think that you know, people, maybe obviously it's all blended now because what is anything? What is a movie? What is a TV show? But like people always said, like when you were a TV star at a certain point, like people, you would be approached differently, whereas like people are very afraid to approach like a proper movie star, whereas a TV starts like, oh my god, so these soap opera people, they must get the and and the fandom obviously is was intense with them when they were huge, but maybe that energy has transferred over to the house fandom because that's what that's where people think. It's such a perfect line. Yeah, and Andy says that a lot. He talks about how like the reason he even was interested in doing this and like creating this, and obviously he wasn't like the creator of it, but he has steered it in such a way was because he loved soaps and missed them because they don't occupy the same cultural space anymore. My sister still watches soaps just like shocks me, like she's still like keeping her Santa Barbara every day, you know what I mean, Like I don't even have to rest real television. I wouldn't even know where to begin and where to get a soap opera like that, but like some people still are asked. You'll see like the soap opera Digest, which if I would beg my parents are in the grocery store, I'd be like, can I please get that? They'd be like, no, you can get Premiere and I'd be like, fine, oh I was not Tiger, and I was like, Premiere magazine, You've always been this person? Then yeah, complete, that's beautiful. I think, thank you. Just to have like your your like cultural focal like exactly set for like at a very young age, perfect, that's that's the dream. And so then to like create something like Hot Wives must have been like a perfect like meeting of those worlds too. Yes it was it still is, you know what I mean. I love to watch people that aren't perfect, living loudly and rashly, and so to just get anything we did on Housewives, nothing is bigger than the actual Housewives, you know what I mean, Like anytime we we we did like a Casey's character through like a party to like raise money for high heels for dogs, and so it was one of those things where it was like, then they're all throwing these like, you know, Homeless not Toothless parties, like they all kind of feel in this city like we're never we were never bigger than the show itself. It's just you could have been so respectful as as an homage Homeless not Toothless could have happened on your show and everyone would have been like, this is the funniest joke of the year, and then it actually happened in real life and everyone was like, Okay, wow, this is And I do think that's why you still need to read. I'm sorry, like I will sort of die of to read Stan unfortunately. Like she does make me laugh the most, like the way that she acts, the things that she says, like the way that she wears her clothes even when it's dark with her, like it's it's entertaining to me. And I think if she weren't there, I would I would be upset. She's giving us a lot of flavor and color. Although maybe that's what a friend of is sometimes ultimately, but I I love her too. Yeah, I love well. What a gorgeous answer to the question that was that was that was a good one and the connecting one as well. Thank you, Thank you, Casey. What about you? What's the culture that made you stay? Culture is for you? You You know? I know this movie is kind of cheesy and some people really don't love it, but I I am obsessed and still am with the women of the movie Clue oh good one. It touched me in a way that I can't even express, Like seeing these there was four comedians in it. I mean, obviously Madeline con Leslie and Lauren it was like sexy and funny, and then even Colleen camp who played the maid was hilarious. Um and II Lean Brennan as Mrs Peacock. And for some reason, that movie it lodged itself in my brain, and I'm obsessed with all those women, and then kind of became just obsessed with female performers. I also, I mean, I guess this movie isn't quite what we're talking about with like pop culture, but I got very into like terms of endearment, like Shirley mcleane, like and then and the death comes to realm. Like, I'm just into that whole wheel of kind of female character actresses. I would say, yes, no, that is formative. It was quite formative. I mean, is there ever any casting that's ever been better than Leslie and Lauren coming into play Terry Hatter's Mother and Desperate Housewives? I mean that was perfect. It was perfect. But these women are like that. That's who I feel like I am watching on Housewives truly, are all these kind of larger than life women who are funny and well they're not allowed to be it anymore. I feel like they're in my opinion, we just don't get they're sort of relegated to these like smaller movies, you know that like August oh Sage County or you know what I mean, Like not every like will watch the people in the culture will watch, but I will watch, you know, I'll be like in the lining up day one for August Osage County, you know, but like, you're not getting those characters because and even I as a writer, like I just get such pressure to write like likable, likable, likable, likable, and it's like, but I like people that aren't likable. I like people that aren't you know, that I like watching these women fight. I it is the most soothing sounds to me. I can fall asleep to them just screaming. It's like waves upon the shore. But I love it so much. Was like, how are you listening to that? I'm like, I couldn't want to listen to anything more. That's a beautiful sooth. I mean, I guess for some reason she's coming to mind. I mean, not for some reason. It makes sense. I think the only person who's like being allowed to play that kind of person now is like a Jennifer Coolidge, which amazing, we love no one is complaining, but like, I wonder how she feels that she just took like a rolling Stone interview that I'm still reading and like it's really interesting, really fasting. But she's but then you remember, oh right, she's also this incredible comedic performer who is like was for a while relegated to like Stiffler's mom or whatever and that, yeah, and then now she's doing a great job of trying to like recalibrate and balance those two things. But like, you go back and watch her invest in show, and her and Jane Lynch scenes are like incredible, and like who could have done that. But yes, she's a terrific actress. You're absolutely right, that kind of woman like Jennifer Coolidge is who I feel like we got to grow up watching like a lot more of that version, and now there's only so many actresses who get to and they're so relegated to like side characters the realtor, you know, and not that I don't want to see the realtor, but I but I do you think Mike White is like he is all about kind of centering them in a in an amazing way. But I wish yeah, because the realtor, like what else did you know? Oh? Like they're always like what are they? These characters are always like the real right, I love I love a lawyer. I love a county lawyer. Yeah, Like in Search Party, that woman that was Oh my god, that woman was incredible And I'm missing the greatest performance show on that character. Though. Why can I not get an entire show on that character? I want her. I don't feel like we need to relegate her to just this county lawyer. I want to see County lawyer goes home. Yes, it goes home, and at a home, it doesn't count. Factor get increased or do we see a break a different side of her construction of the County Lawyer. That's the way we need Laura dern at home and story. Yes, but this is another reason why I loved Big Little Eyes and why every time they're like, oh, we don't need another season, I'm like, who's who are you speaking for? Don't not me? Not me, Because even if it's not as quote unquote good, you know what I mean, if it's not the masterpiece that was the first season that was like an actual assessment of something in the culture that needed like a general like a real dramatic breakdown, which is like it ended up being this like incredible piece on domestic violence that I think no one thought it was going to be at the beginning. And then the second season was kind of more just like, Okay, it's pulp, it's Meryl Streep screaming for no reason, you know whatever, It's still Meryl strip screaming. And I'm fine with that. Yes, me too, And it's like I don't need the mystery I think people think we need. What is the mystery of the end. If you give me some great fucking characters, I'll watch them eat a eat a piece of you know meat. I don't have a big I know, eat a eat a baked potato with goddamn cavyahn't care exactly to speak on white lotus for a second. Have you all watched the first the first episode? Yes, every frame, I'm not I'm not cut up, and please talk about it. But there's there's only been the one. So there's been one. Okay, I'm going to say something. Maybe it's a little bit unpopular, but I feel like Jennifer Coolidge thinks we expect something of her now and she's giving it's she's laying it on a little thick. I think it's it's it's coming across a little performed. It's almost coming off like Tanya mcquad two point oh and the way where I'm like to take a breath, I agree, but I think we sort of set her up for that. I don't know that she could totally win in that space as well. Let's see, let's give it a b let's us also take a breath and let you know, taking a breath. Okay, we're all taking a breath because I hear you. And yet you know, she gave us so much overseason, like you know, the first episode, we didn't know what we were for Coolidge. She could have just but then we saw her in that scene where she's just like Mommy, I'm mean, we got so many levels in that show that like we don't know, we don't know that show a levels machine. And I also love I think that so basically Bowen and like the very first team you find out that it's not just one guest that's that, it's several guests that are which I feel like it's Mike White being like as commenting on the thing of like it's the second season, you want more, Okay, we'll kill a couple more people. It won't be about that at all, which is another thing I like about White Lettles. It's like sort of masquerades as like this like murder mystery, and then there's no element of this in terms of structure, in terms of how you write a murder mystery. That's not here. It's just the story of this and this obviously the second no one's thinking about it at all as you're watching it, Like, I don't need to that. I would rather know what the thread count on the towel is at this gorgeous I'm very interested in that there was the first scene where Megan Fahey, who's by the way, so I think she's becoming movie star moment, Like yeah, probably after this, but she swims out into the ocean bowing and like literally bumps up against a carcass. Carcasses out on the ocean, carcass out there's this moment of her like like what the fund is that? Because she can feel this body and she looks and you see the body float by, and her acting in it is so good because you're just like it's like shock, disgusted, fear, panic, and then like she's like physically flinging herself out of the water trying to swim away. It's just like and then it's like white lotus, you know what I mean. Like immediately the next scene is the hotel manager being like, well, I don't think we're liable because it happened in the water. It's really really, it's really good. I mean, I think that show is a home run. Are you guys watching the Vow season two? No, but I hear it's worth the watch because miss Thing is in it is because I think that the first part ended in a in like a sort of a loose messy way I think. But what do you guys thought? Just see Nancy Salzman, the woman that was his kind of counterpart. It's all about Nancy, and it is just wild seeing her with her ankle bracelet like Sete here with her hairless cat, just puttering around like upstick. What you're hearing sounds bad, but you're wanting to see it. You need it, you need it. Have you guys been watching The Moll I finished it. I finished it in like three days. It's iconic TV. And Joy there's a character Joy who you guys will love because she is Someone explained this to me perfectly. She is a two thousand three era reality villain plopped into phenomenal. She's confusing, she's confounding, she's a little bit stupid, a little bit of a genius. All it's all happening. It's like someone from like Early Survivor or someone from um Early I don't know, like The Mole, Like it's it's the show that was I remember the mall being around circle like like when Survivor came out was like another answer to Surer. I'm gonna say like two thousand three, two thousand four, y and it's back or has it always been going. It's been back. They only did like four or five seasons of it back in the day, and then it took a long break and they tried to bring it back in like the early didn't really work, didn't take off. I think it's been a hit, and I think the whole it's a it's a great watch the whole week through. You guys love it. Where where am I finding it? Netflix stopped their back? Netflix is back with them all? Can I throw one more show into the mixing? It's so good. I I feel I'm telling people, just person by person, which is my kids a fucking star. I'm writing this down on the greatest show of all time. They following four children in their stage parents, each child more untalented than the one before, with the exception of Shata, and the parents are so wild, but you're also feeling with the parents. You're crying, you're laughing. It is so sort of father is throwing his daughter, his talentless daughter, a gala to show her as a triple threat. She's ten. He's working her out on a pool float so that she could really get her card. You up to hit the high note. It's what we want where am I finding this? God? Where did I even? Not Discovery Plus? To me, it's giving the TV guide channel where they did show the show like up in the little like corner, But you're mostly scrolling through what's on TV raising a star. I'm so sorry, raising a fucking star on Star. I think you should. You should get it. You should go and be a producer on that shows and where e never forget it's actually real culture number four eight. Never don't count e out because because if you ever want to just sit your ask down and be entertained for hours on end, it's the new top model. I'm sorry, but Tyler Henry Hollywood medium Tyler to you from zero to a hundred, like checking every box, twig psychic, as I call him lovingly. Do you believe him? Do you believe him that? I believe him? Um? I believe that he. I believe that he is good at intuiting, and I think that there's something to that. Do I think ghosts are coming to chat with him? For tea? I think it's a great touch that he doodles while the while the ghost is in the room. I think, actually that's that's actually a perfect thin layer of theater where it's like eyes of viewer. I'm like, oh, then that that must be that's so random, that must be important. Yes, any type of crop crop. I'm like, oh, I believe that's an excercent. Do you have anything that belonged to the person? And then the woman's like yes, and they give like an old knitted scarf. It's like, oh, I wonder if this is a grandparent. And he's just he's just in his like in his mind. You can't hear it, but he's saying himself and I got these motherfucker's Yeah, do you think That's what I was gonna ask you? Do you believe he believes? That's hard, that's interesting, that's really fun. That's a really fun thing to think about. I think he I think he believes, but I think I don't believe him when he says, I don't do any research on the person. That's my question. So it's so random when he does know who the person is, Like he came in and it was like literally like Kim Kardashians like, Hi, it's nice to meet you. I had never heard of this person. And then he met little Kim and he was like, oh my god, little Kim. I'm like Mama, which Kim is famous because that doesn't even look like little Kim anymore. You didn't know that was look him. No woman had a full head trance clam. She is on the call sheet, though, I wonder if he sees his call sheets? Are the ghost number one on the call sheet right through six? Number one is scarf Number two is ghosts number one? What I You know what though? I did when he first came out, like and it was like a thing that I think I said to Bow and I was like, we should get him what is when we're recording in person a lot. I was like, if we're ever in the same city as him, get him on the pod. We should do a podcast like an episode of Last Coach, which is him reading us, and then we'd see if we became believers because they can't edit it. You know what I mean? This is I'll tell you what I do. You wouldn't agree to do it anyway, but yeah, he probably wouldn't know. He wouldn't. But you know some people like when they like when Long Island Medium goes to like, oh she's very she's real. Yeah, when she goes to like Kelly Show and She's like, now, who has a son who passed from the chest, who passed from the chest, And like if a woman like devastating already ways in her hand, my daughter passed in the chest. Yeah, and she's connected with you. She wants to know. She forgives you, and I need you to be the Long Island meeting from bas from the chests. Okay, but can I say one thing about Tyler, just one quick anecdote, which is that So Alicia Cuthbert went and did the show and we have the same makeup artist and she went with her and they get there and she's touching her up and then they said to our makeup wartists, Kathleen, you need to step in the other room. And she's like, well, can I just stay here and watch the monitor because look we're reading, but the touch ups and she said no, no, Sometimes Tyler gets pulled. Someone else's energy will pull and he won't be able to read the person. So Kathy goes, Okay, I'll leave. So she leaves. She comes back and they don't see her. Now she's by the monitor and Tyler says, Julicia, I'm seeing a sister who's passed from Bavarian cancer, and Alicia's like no, and my makeup artist, Kathleen tears and apparently he was talking about Kathleen's sister and that, and he pulled and he goes he was so confused that it wasn't Alicia, and then Kathleen said she had to raise her hand, and then he spoke to her for a while. So I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there because I always found that something right. I definitely want to believe it. I'm so me too. I want to believe these things. I want to believe. I'm Mulder and Scully, but I think Bowen is more Scully. I'm a little Scully. I do think there's a Jillian Anderson. I think it's jilliant. Yeah. I think that because Bone was the astrology skeptic too, and I came in being like I'm open to the tides. Now I'm like into it. You are, Bowen. We have an amazing astrologist that really opened my eyes to everything. I think, really opened my ass. We have thought, every every every whole pried open through the stars and to the stars. Who was astrologist? Can you name them? Heidi Rose Robbins. First of all, that stomach. Can follow her on Instagram telling you Rose Robbins, She's the most normal, lovely, gorgeous woman we've been I've been seen her for seventeen years. Yes, and she has predicted things all manner of things, things that are dangerous to predict. I things that you're like, don't say that to them. I was having trouble conceiving a child and you know, doing things no. And she she looked me dead in the eyes and said, you're going to be pregnant this year. Wait and then and then I was, oh my god, it had been many years struggle things where it's like, but she's so talented, and I again, I'm I'm a bit of a scully. And she turned my world around and hence like this is literally like right by the first thing I do in the more and then all of a sudden, here we are at the podcast recording and the tarot cards were I am Danielle, but when you were like, I pulled the crazy card and it was hope are more like nuanced? That is a crazy card these days. Hopefully I know this is coming out a day after the damn mid terms. Let's hope audacity of the audacity truly. We loo a second ago about opening our ass. Today we're going to open our amouths to do what us BEAUTI and Icono gorgeous. Yeah, we've been doing this for seven years, so we're gonna open our mouths and flap our gums. In a segment we call I don't think so honey, which is a sixty second segment on our podcast that we use to employ. And I don't think it's money, which is a dragging of something in culture. I do have something. It's a harkening back to earlier in the episodes, but I don't think I can let this human being go any further without being dragged publicly on this podcast. We've alluded to not liking her that much before, but she needs to be I don't think so honeyed. Oh my god, that's incredible. This is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so honey. And as time starts new, I don't think so honey, Robin Dixon, Dixon, it has to stop because, oh my god, I can tell that this is yours too. I don't think money, Robin Dixon. How come there couldn't be a family funded You couldn't. You couldn't again a tray of chicken. What was happening? You couldn't get a kickball, We couldn't hire a ref w Dixon. I was so a piss that Wan Dixon was not now because he could have been the referee. He could have done something. Because God goes like what now, You're just you're gonna put Giselle in charge anytime? Just a charge's gonna run into chaos and hell a bounty house. I actually looked it up. It's three dollars for the day. Robin. I know money is tight every now and then, but and I don't know what the current financial he is, but you need to roll your ass out of bed. First of all, we had rout of bed from last season to what like like like get too potato sacks. I'm sorry, but it is not enough. We need to get you a red bull. We need to get Robin Dixon a cold brew. We need to wake her up. We need to splash some water on her face and get her off to the racist. Thank god you stuck up for Cantis. Is the only useful thing you've done in seasons. I don't think so, honey. The way you both jumped back in your chair, you both threw yourselves across roofs. It was shocking because Robin herself has no energy, so to see energy put toward and at Robin was just so. I didn't know where to go, and you went back. I went back. I loved it. I don't necessarily agree, but that's day. That's for another day. I will say I agree. My only note for Potomac overall is that taglines are are garbage this year. They're so bad. They got one totally wrong, and I think it's actually better. What was it I got Wendy's wrong. I know she's a friend of the pod, but I thought she said, you know what I think she said. I don't have it written down anymore, but it was like, I'm like, I've got a lot of power, but I've got no time. And I thought it was I've got no time for me. It's like, so I've got a lot of I believe that because I was like, well, she really doesn't have a lot of time for herself, but it was no time for me. But I thought it was no time for me. Listen back to it. But whenever the front front of it rhymes with me, I'm a Nigerian queen it was queen. It was like, but I thought it was I'm a Nigerian queen with no time for me. Yeah, the headlines really are rough. I think Canvas is as good, but I also can't remember it. I think I wrote it down but in my notes from last week's episode. But well, I don't know what it is either. But the structure for the last three seasons I think has been My now may be adjective, but my now is adjective. That's that's what it's been. Or Live. I love it a mad live. Can you see them all with the whiteboard out just coming up? I mean, my favorite thing is to imagine there are comedy rooms that they put together just to get pitched them all day. Like you ever bites Dr Tiffany Moon's candles. My bit was that she put a comedy room together to put the packaging together because there's a little jokes on them. There's so many little jokes on them. They're all named after like different drugs. Have you guys bought yourself any fresh Wolf? No, I'm not about fresh Wolf. I'm not interested in the kids. Okay, you're not interest in Budge College. Fudge College is amazing. Fudge College is iconic. Salt Like I will say, I can't just correct the record. I do love Salt Lake, and I'm loving Lisa Barlow even more than I ever have. She realized because Matt told me, and I think you're totally right. She does not She she's driving the story forward without looking like she's producing, Like you know, Jen, Heather and Meredith, I'll say, like they do a little too much meddling where it's like a little too like puppet Stringy Whitney. Whitney's hoeing journey, her helling journey. My phones were hurt, especially during my howing journey. Helen joy is that you talk. What is that? I don't know if it's botox or oh my god, botox or utah box a utah another table for you guys. That's really good to You had to name a lot of hot wives, yea, honestly, but okay, so but you guys are your pro Robin. I love her because again, and I wouldn't think someone's so sleepy I could get behind. Usually I like a more energetic wife. But they're but there's something about it. It's like, you know, it's like Steven Right as a comedian, you know what I mean. They're giving a very old reference, just a different way. Yeah. Yeah, she's a different kind of housewife. One that's barely I know. But that's a new flavor. We haven't seen that sleepy flavor before. I'm into it. We ordered her hats and we did you ever get them? I finally did, But when I tell you emails upon emails about we're going to think about getting them to you, it was so many updates and so many emails. It's just sent from her, like not even like a male chimp account, like just like like Robin Dixon like and she was just like, guys, I know I'm disappointing you, and I'm sorry. And then she was like, if you really need them, you can email me. Yeah, as opposed to them, we really need anything, just send my money on I really need if you really need them. She wasn't because it was the holiday season. She was like, if you really because everyone bought them for like gifts last year for holidays, and she was like, if you really need to buy Christmas, like, I can do my best. I mean. One of my favorite things Bone said on the pod was Robin is two hundred thousand dollars in debt. She can hat in a box. She can't, she can't, she can't listen. Are we all doing Housewives? I don't think so, honey, because I will gladly I mine was the Housewives. I don't think so honey. But Danielle, we're going to go together. We do have. It's a former housewife though. Oh you're gonna go together. I love it, really cool. I really like that. Okay, that's never never done. But first, yeah, you got it. Okay, this is Boone Yang's I don't think so, honey. His time on his birthday starts now. I don't think so honey. Trips to Arizona or to Zion. I think you are going too much to this part of the country that I don't. I don't think people really need to see you anymore. I think we understand what goes on there, and I'm not I'm not saying this in like a fly over state away as someone who grew up in Colorado. I just mean that, like the pandemic is sort of like allowing travel to happen again to far flung places. We're done with American designations. I don't think we need to say I think I think we've also just like run the tank on those places across shows, across franchises. Let's go back to UM, I'll say, at Turks and Caicos, not to you know, overlap there, but like, you know, let's let's leave the country. Let's get these women their passports, you know, renewed UM just so that they can for the betterment of their own lives. I feel I'm a little bit bored of the mainland destinations. Go to Hawaiian Let's go to Alaska at least if you're not going to leave the US. That's what I have to say. And that's why a minute, I think that I completely agree with you. Like even even the Real Housewives New Jersey Nashville trip that was fun, but like it's so American, and I'm like, let's go places we know. We can book Thailand, like we can do other things. Jen show cannot leave the country as a convicted felon. But then Jen stays home Hawaii. You're right, and Jen stays home. Yes, but I think why they could go to Alaska, we could go to New York City, would even be something, give us something. These airbnbs they're all blending together with the grill in the tope, grugs. I can't. I'm like, you know, or Mexico City. Have they have any of the women done? Mexico City? You know when we were there for New Year's I think we even said out loud, this would be a good housewife's trip. Absolutely can't go, she cannot. I'm not saying result. I'm saying for like a lot of this. And I know, I know we're coming out of pandemic stuff, but I feel like we got to mix it up again. I don't want to see an airbnb, not again. I can't that culture to me. I'm I'm all set. I'd like to see a hotel. I also think I'm wrapped. I'm a wrap on skiing. I don't want to see skiing anymore. Like I feel like I see skiing on Beverly Hills on Salt like they're these women are always skiing and I'm like, I understand this is a thing that turns them on, but no more skiing for me. I'd like to see them at the beach. I'm a wrap on them all pedaling a bike together and yeah, a drink bike. I'm dead and I'm done. Done. They were trying so hard to like. The Salt Lake City girls were quote unquote having so much fun. I'm like, y'all, don't y'all are gassing. Meredith Mars is not throwing whipping alcohol in someone's face. It was so painful. No, no, she is not. It's just not her energy. She would not engage in the activities such as this. Um but and I think that one's important for the culture. Thank you for offering it. Um So, So we're to understand that Daniel and Casey will do a joint. I don't think so, honey, huge, Yes, this Power of two Voices, because it's a big one. The Power of Two Voices is also a front runner for title of app The Power of Two Voices. How I keep tossing about your machine. Okay, so this is a joint. This is for the first time ever in Lost Culture history. But when how exciting is that to say? In the seven years of this program we have not the fact that they're still first, So so refreshing. Well. This podcast has received critical acclaim and has been cited in academic work for the host inside into the entertainment industry. That's on our Wikipedia page. We don't make the rules, nor do we edit the page. Um, but this is daniel Snyders. I don't think so, honey. Their time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Bethany Frankel, I think we've had enough with the tutorials. Number one, at least place yourself somewhere else than in your closet with cle messy kind of cabinet behind you. I'm all set with your new podcast idea, Danielle, this new podcast idea, how dare you? First of all, is it a conflict of interest for us? Of course it save some For the rest of us. We liked you when you were sort of humanitarian housewives. You say you're done with it, you've moved on. You don't need to be doing a rewatch, and you've named it rewise. I can't don't understand it. Also, you have to come when you were doing a Healthwives podcast, and I say this, you have to come from it with love. And you have such est sin. You look on the on the Healthwives with disdain and now you're trying to and I know you have a beauty line coming. That's why you're tearing Everyone else is down in luand al Step said, this is a failed pivot and that should be the name of my new memoir. But it is another failed pivot. Wow. And that is one minute, and that is this is this is something we really need to hear, because when I heard she was doing this, I too thought it was capital papathetic. Yes, she's lost, she's lost, she's lost, I thought, in the words of what she said to Jill, many jills are in many years ago. Get a hobby. That's the name, Frank. Yes, she's really spinning the wheels. And if you ever watch her on TikTok, that is a film that I would like to see one of these actresses you mentioned earlier take on, just like a ninety minute film of Bethany Frankel, the rise and fall of the past six months of her on TikTok taking on the establishment because she felt she was shadow band, committing to her small following, ultimately Decott deciding this isn't for me. I'm going to do podcast. Yes, we went from makeup tutorials to those makeup tutorials are insane. The lighting. I've only seen the lighting on them in quick and quick little moments. I'm like, oh, there's the setup is all wrong. Yeah. And also it's like it's okay to be like, the makeup tutorial is fun. It's not like a comments on appearance or anything. Because when you come up with like like for example, like when you're doing a weight loss thing and you show it before and after, like the drop it withdrew of it all, and you show it before and after, and the before and after looks the same, that's not us commenting on your physique. That's us commenting on your business. It's like it looks like so you've literally showed us up before and after, so now it's fair game. Bethany Frankel in Horrid Lightings doing a makeup tutorial and then not looking good. That is weird game for us to be able to say, hey, mom, I don't know a woman who brought a skinny girl is now attacking photoshop and women's body image. It's I'm I'm upset with myself that I didn't include that in my minute. She's trying to pivot and say like, well, skinny girl really isn't about way, Like it's like she's as opposed to Yeah, you know what that was at a time when I thought that was important, like either own it or don't own it, but she she's like trying to ride that line in the middle. And sorry, now we don't believe. I appreciate her humanitarian work, but it's interesting because I find it interesting. She can so show such great compassion, but it's always not to actual people, you know, people who are like dog people or she had a remove. I think she seems to have a very big she has a very big heart, and it's amazing, but there's something like in person, she's the least warm human. Oh no, it's it's um she is, and like one of those angiograms or whatever that it's like she is an achiever and she's an individualist where it's like her she's like putting the achievement in like sort of like altruistic thing of like here, I'm helping the people of Puerto Rico out. But it's like and I don't I don't like to accuse anyone of this, but it feels self serving. Well, I think anything she does, like even I'm glad she's doing it. Fine, let it be self serving, but it is like we can't acknowledge that, like she is helping I'm glad she has continued to do that, continue to self serve, but it is serving herself. Yeah, but I think that the difference is that when it is a large group of amorphous people, she's not seeing it's like she she can commit to that, but then in basic humanity, one on one interactions, she's actually quite cruel, like it's it goes beyond just like, oh, that's something nasty on housewives like lu Anne, Like I think when she came up for air years later and was like, oh no, the worst thing anyone's ever done to me was bring the cameras into that room and show me a text that obviously she had, like she had premeditated this, and on camera she showed me my husband was cheating on me. And I begged her not to. I said, don't do it. And of course now it made an iconic scene. Question mark, you know it made an iconic scene. I want you to to do this to me. Question But but that was the worst moment of her life, I will say, And this is a sketch that no one has to watch, no one. I'm not doing that thing where I'm like I wrote a sketch. We did a sketch last night, me and Sarah Sherman where we're jurors and we're screaming and everything we're reacting in this scary like oh no, no, no, please please don't But it's it was from the source of it all was Sarah and I were laughing at that moment in that string of episodes when Bethany tells Ramona about the cheating and then Ramona goes like Ramona just screams and runs to the bathrooms, just like, look at me, to look at herself in the mirror, look at me, look at me, so funny, look at me. I'm crying. Is so Sarah Sherman came on and she killed me. I love her, so, she said Lisa in his hair at Sutton's tracks. Was blown back by the speed of light, blown back by Sarah's at Star and she and Bow and her sisters at the show, love love, love, love her. Well, this has been pretty much everything I could have ever wanted it to be. It's been a long time coming for you guys to be on. When you will return, so much fun and hey, where can people get your podcast? All your podcast Netflix dot com, Netflix dot com. You're so lovely and warm. I love listening to you. You're just such a highlight in a light in this world, truly at an exaggeration. No, I love you guys so much. And even though we were both against each other for the people's choice, the words what a moment in history and we do we both do? We we both lost who one did it was? Was it like reasonably shady? I think something out something else like doctor's in the house or something. I don't know what it was. Danielle. Danielle bought a dress the day we were nominated. Yeah, I bought a dress and then they were like, yeah, only for us to find we were not invited. But that's okay, that's she used to buy address. Of course you were nominated for a And also wait, did wait one more thing? Did you know? I just did Melissa Gorgon's podcast and we are the best of friends now and I know I'm going to get drunk with her and her husband. You don't think she's going to be on Masked as a villain this year? I don't care, okay, because I am like, I am like and die Teresa. I I I am allergic to Teresa. Okay, No, I'm not Teresa Hive. But that's I guess that's for Part two. Guys are the best. Daniel and Casey, thank you so much for doing the show, Thank you for having us. We end every episode with a song. And today is a major day. It's bone Yank's birthday, so we sing the most famous song in the world for him. Happy Birthday is one of the most famous songs, like that Happy harde of America's Greatest Treasures National Treasure Day, And what do I want for Christmas? I don't want. It becomes like it becomes like like a mix, a mashup of songs. Come back, Come Come. That song is good, best songs I ever heard that song? Have you heard Brandy's the House by Yeah Yeah, like a house like it's a rap song though by Brandy Glenville by Brandi Glenville her so, oh my god. So everyone's gonna go stream now one right now,