Grammy-winning artist DOE joins Ben Higgins to talk about what it means to stop performing your faith and start living it.

In this conversation, DOE opens up about being raised at the intersection of music and faith, the weight of feeling like "an employee" of God rather than a daughter, and how she learned to separate the anointing from her identity. She shares stories from her upbringing in a family band (Forever Jones), her father's militant commitment to morning prayer, and the wrestle that eventually shaped her solo career.

We also dig into her new album Shiloh (out August 28), named after her son and built on Psalm 22:30. DOE talks about posterity, what she hopes her children inherit from her music, and why insisting "God is good" matters more now than ever.

Timestamps:
00:41 Welcome & intro to DOE
02:33 Faith and music inseparable growing up
04:12 Not a slave to the anointing
08:35 Wrestling from employee to daughter
14:44 Going solo after Forever Jones
18:33 Winning the Grammy & new album Shiloh
20:23 Why Dad made prayer non-negotiable
25:35 What she hopes Shiloh takes away
29:42 What "God is good" really means
32:21 Reaching back and forward through worship
35:06 Picturing a listener encountering God

Grammy-winning artist DOE joins Ben Higgins to talk about what it means to stop performing your faith and start living it.
In this conversation, DOE opens up about being raised at the intersection of music and faith, the weight of feeling like "an employee" of God rather than a daughter, and how she learned to separate the anointing from her identity. She shares stories from her upbringing in a family band (Forever Jones), her father's militant commitment to morning prayer, and the wrestle that eventually shaped her solo career.
We also dig into her new album Shiloh (out August 28), named after her son and built on Psalm 22:30. DOE talks about posterity, what she hopes her children inherit from her music, and why insisting "God is good" matters more now than ever.
Timestamps: 00:41 Welcome &amp; intro to DOE 02:33 Faith and music inseparable growing up 04:12 Not a slave to the anointing 08:35 Wrestling from employee to daughter 14:44 Going solo after Forever Jones 18:33 Winning the Grammy &amp; new album Shiloh 20:23 Why Dad made prayer non-negotiable 25:35 What she hopes Shiloh takes away 29:42 What "God is good" really means 32:21 Reaching back and forward through worship 35:06 Picturing a listener encountering God

We’re all looking for something.

 

In If You Can Hear Me, Ben Higgins sits down with people from all walks of life—celebrities, thinkers, everyday folks—to talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope.

 

These are honest conversations about the big stuff: identity, loss, purpose, peace, faith, and everything in between. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out.

 

If you’ve ever felt like there must be more to the story—this show is for you.

We&rsquo;re all looking for something.
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In If You Can Hear Me, Ben Higgins sits down with people from all walks of life&mdash;celebrities, thinkers, everyday folks&mdash;to talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope.
&nbsp;
These are honest conversations about the big stuff: identity, loss, purpose, peace, faith, and everything in between. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out.
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If you&rsquo;ve ever felt like there must be more to the story&mdash;this show is for you.

If You Can Hear Me

DOE: I Want to Be God's Daughter, Not His Employee

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Jay Pharoah — SNL alum, impressionist, and star of Fox's Quiz With Balls — sits down with Ben Higgins to talk about the moment he stopped running.

In 2023, surrounded by everything he thought he wanted, Jay heard a voice tell him to leave the room. What happened next changed his life.

In this conversation:
- Why fame and access left him emptier, not fuller
- The night he heard "meet me halfway, and I'll carry you the rest"
- The addictions he walked away from — and how his father unknowingly echoed the same message
- The blue Bible story: a prayer he never spoke out loud, answered by a stranger in Ohio
- Why he's cutting language from his stand-up and what he's building toward next
- Near-death experiences, the prodigal son, and the freedom of surrender

Jay is honest about the version of himself he used to be — and clear-eyed about who God is shaping him into now. If you've ever wondered whether transformation is real, this one's worth your time.

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Timestamps
00:47 Why fame doesn't fulfill
02:44 Meeting Jay Pharoah
04:41 Growing up in church, road with Charlie Murphy
06:27 SNL and losing his way
08:00 The voice in the room: meet me halfway
11:30 Getting rid of the room, the Quiz with Balls offer
14:37 Why God forgives murderers and thieves
17:57 Using the platform as an example
22:09 What you have to give up
25:00 Cutting the swearing from his set
28:21 Freedom, not prison
29:23 The blue Bible story
37:58 The old version isn't wasted
39:12 Becoming a rebel for Christ
43:28 Stay in the fight

Jay Pharoah &mdash; SNL alum, impressionist, and star of Fox's Quiz With Balls &mdash; sits down with Ben Higgins to talk about the moment he stopped running.
In 2023, surrounded by everything he thought he wanted, Jay heard a voice tell him to leave the room. What happened next changed his life.
In this conversation: - Why fame and access left him emptier, not fuller - The night he heard "meet me halfway, and I'll carry you the rest" - The addictions he walked away from &mdash; and how his father unknowingly echoed the same message - The blue Bible story: a prayer he never spoke out loud, answered by a stranger in Ohio - Why he's cutting language from his stand-up and what he's building toward next - Near-death experiences, the prodigal son, and the freedom of surrender
Jay is honest about the version of himself he used to be &mdash; and clear-eyed about who God is shaping him into now. If you've ever wondered whether transformation is real, this one's worth your time.
Subscribe for more conversations like this.
Timestamps 00:47 Why fame doesn't fulfill 02:44 Meeting Jay Pharoah 04:41 Growing up in church, road with Charlie Murphy 06:27 SNL and losing his way 08:00 The voice in the room: meet me halfway 11:30 Getting rid of the room, the Quiz with Balls offer 14:37 Why God forgives murderers and thieves 17:57 Using the platform as an example 22:09 What you have to give up 25:00 Cutting the swearing from his set 28:21 Freedom, not prison 29:23 The blue Bible story 37:58 The old version isn't wasted 39:12 Becoming a rebel for Christ 43:28 Stay in the fight

Jay Pharoah: SNL, Addiction, and the Prodigal Son

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Ben's college buddy Cody Zeller — and his wife, Grammy-nominated artist Leanna Crawford — sit down for a conversation about faith, identity, and what comes after the spotlight fades.

Cody spent a decade in the NBA before retiring at 31. Leanna's career is just taking off — a #1 radio single, a sophomore album, and a schedule that keeps her on the road. Together they talk about how they've kept their identity rooted in something bigger than their careers, and how they're preparing to become parents this November.

In this episode:
- How Cody and Leanna met (and why she made him wait)
- 10 surgeries, retirement at 31, and finding purpose after the game
- Writing songs from journal entries — and why not every song resolves
- The friends and family who keep them humble
- What they hope to pass on from the parents who raised them

A real conversation between old friends about marriage, calling, and trusting God's timing.

Follow the show and let us know what stood out to you.

Timestamps:
01:39 Welcome & intro
02:07 Cody's IU recruiting visit
06:18 How Leanna & Cody met
09:33 The proposal at Crowder's Mountain
11:47 Staying grounded through fame
15:46 Prayers answered, prayers waiting
19:41 Identity beyond career
26:05 Life after basketball
31:12 Writing from the journal
36:43 Helping listeners feel less alone
40:33 Lessons from their parents
43:50 Becoming parents

Ben's college buddy Cody Zeller &mdash; and his wife, Grammy-nominated artist Leanna Crawford &mdash; sit down for a conversation about faith, identity, and what comes after the spotlight fades.
Cody spent a decade in the NBA before retiring at 31. Leanna's career is just taking off &mdash; a #1 radio single, a sophomore album, and a schedule that keeps her on the road. Together they talk about how they've kept their identity rooted in something bigger than their careers, and how they're preparing to become parents this November.
In this episode: - How Cody and Leanna met (and why she made him wait) - 10 surgeries, retirement at 31, and finding purpose after the game - Writing songs from journal entries &mdash; and why not every song resolves - The friends and family who keep them humble - What they hope to pass on from the parents who raised them
A real conversation between old friends about marriage, calling, and trusting God's timing.
Follow the show and let us know what stood out to you.
Timestamps: 01:39 Welcome &amp; intro 02:07 Cody's IU recruiting visit 06:18 How Leanna &amp; Cody met 09:33 The proposal at Crowder's Mountain 11:47 Staying grounded through fame 15:46 Prayers answered, prayers waiting 19:41 Identity beyond career 26:05 Life after basketball 31:12 Writing from the journal 36:43 Helping listeners feel less alone 40:33 Lessons from their parents 43:50 Becoming parents

Faith, Marriage, And Second Callings with Cody Zeller and Leanna Crawford

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Max McNown learned guitar in 2022. Three years later, he's selling out venues and releasing his next album.

In this conversation, Max sits down with Ben Higgins to talk about the story behind his rise — and why he doesn't credit it to ambition.

We get into:
- The guitar his dad handed him as he drove off to California at 21
- His brother Brock's 5-year battle with lymphoma and what it reshaped in him
- The Edmonton show where he realized fans were there for *his* music
- His grandfather Dale, forgiveness, and what it means to have a "servant heart"
- Staying grounded when the career is moving faster than you are
- Why he prays before every show — and what that prayer actually sounds like
- His new album *Leave On a Light* (out September 25) and the people it's written for

Max is one of the fastest-growing names in music right now, but the through-line of this conversation isn't the numbers. It's gratitude, family, and the quiet decisions that keep a person whole.

Listen to *Leave On a Light* when it drops September 25.

Timestamps:
00:47 Welcome to If You Can Hear Me
02:09 The guitar that started it all
05:59 Rising fast, one step at a time
08:27 Edmonton: the turning point
10:56 Street performing and first fans
13:22 Providence in a father's gift
16:26 Grandpa Dale's wisdom
19:03 Forgiveness as foundation
22:38 Staying grounded through fame
27:44 Music isn't everything
29:37 Praying before every show
32:00 Living one day at a time
35:18 What Brock's cancer taught him
38:17 Leave On a Light — the new album

Max McNown learned guitar in 2022. Three years later, he's selling out venues and releasing his next album.
In this conversation, Max sits down with Ben Higgins to talk about the story behind his rise &mdash; and why he doesn't credit it to ambition.
We get into: - The guitar his dad handed him as he drove off to California at 21 - His brother Brock's 5-year battle with lymphoma and what it reshaped in him - The Edmonton show where he realized fans were there for *his* music - His grandfather Dale, forgiveness, and what it means to have a "servant heart" - Staying grounded when the career is moving faster than you are - Why he prays before every show &mdash; and what that prayer actually sounds like - His new album *Leave On a Light* (out September 25) and the people it's written for
Max is one of the fastest-growing names in music right now, but the through-line of this conversation isn't the numbers. It's gratitude, family, and the quiet decisions that keep a person whole.
Listen to *Leave On a Light* when it drops September 25.
Timestamps: 00:47 Welcome to If You Can Hear Me 02:09 The guitar that started it all 05:59 Rising fast, one step at a time 08:27 Edmonton: the turning point 10:56 Street performing and first fans 13:22 Providence in a father's gift 16:26 Grandpa Dale's wisdom 19:03 Forgiveness as foundation 22:38 Staying grounded through fame 27:44 Music isn't everything 29:37 Praying before every show 32:00 Living one day at a time 35:18 What Brock's cancer taught him 38:17 Leave On a Light &mdash; the new album

Max McNown: I Climb One Step, Not the Whole Staircase

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DOE: I Want to Be God's Daughter, Not His Employee

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