In the modern working world, it's more common than ever to completely change careers, and maybe even multiple times over. But would you have been able to change the lanes so dramatically at the age of twenty three. That's not a hypothetical for Tom Boyd, who retired from playing football in the.

In the modern working world, it's more common than ever to completely change careers, and maybe even multiple times over. But would you have been able to change the lanes so dramatically at the age of twenty three. That's not a hypothetical for Tom Boyd, who retired from playing football in the.

AFL in twenty nineteen.

AFL in twenty nineteen.

Before he was even halfway through his twenties. So how did he make the transition when football was the only life he'd ever known. Well, it started with a whole lot of reflection. After months and months of preparing for the next chapter of his life, everything ground to a halt when COVID hit and Tom was forced to do nothing but think about what he really wanted to do with his life. I'm doctor Amantha Imber, an organizational psychologist and the host of How I Work, and I'm trying something a little different for the next few weeks.

Before he was even halfway through his twenties. So how did he make the transition when football was the only life he'd ever known. Well, it started with a whole lot of reflection. After months and months of preparing for the next chapter of his life, everything ground to a halt when COVID hit and Tom was forced to do nothing but think about what he really wanted to do with his life. I'm doctor Amantha Imber, an organizational psychologist and the host of How I Work, and I'm trying something a little different for the next few weeks.

This is How I Live, a.

This is How I Live, a.

Series that gives you an inside look but some super accomplished people's top strategies for living a happy, productive, and impactful life. When Tom made the decision to leave his AFL career, he was struggling with several mental health challenges. He was dealing with clinical depression, panic attacks, anxiety, and insomnia. So I was keen to know if there was something that he had bought or acquired in the last few years that's made a really big difference to his physical or mental health.

Series that gives you an inside look but some super accomplished people's top strategies for living a happy, productive, and impactful life. When Tom made the decision to leave his AFL career, he was struggling with several mental health challenges. He was dealing with clinical depression, panic attacks, anxiety, and insomnia. So I was keen to know if there was something that he had bought or acquired in the last few years that's made a really big difference to his physical or mental health.

I think, probably most recently, the thing that strikes me is it is a physical possession, but I suppose what it represents is far greater than that, and that would be a netball that my wife has recently acquired. And I think for that is that I've gone back to playing social sport again for the first time really in my life. Like you know, I basically played competitive sports since I was eleven years old. There was certainly a domestic element to that, which was all your local teams that were feeders into the representative side. But since I was genuinely thirteen or fourteen, that hasn't really been an ability for me to just go out and have fun.

I think, probably most recently, the thing that strikes me is it is a physical possession, but I suppose what it represents is far greater than that, and that would be a netball that my wife has recently acquired. And I think for that is that I've gone back to playing social sport again for the first time really in my life. Like you know, I basically played competitive sports since I was eleven years old. There was certainly a domestic element to that, which was all your local teams that were feeders into the representative side. But since I was genuinely thirteen or fourteen, that hasn't really been an ability for me to just go out and have fun.

And so we've been playing mixed nepall or Wednesday nights.

And so we've been playing mixed nepall or Wednesday nights.

I recently started playing with a few of my ex teammates on a Monday night, playing social basketball, and I think that combination of just getting out there for exercise in a team environment, it's something I really haven't been able to foster too much, firstly given the pandemic and then secondarily since I've stopped playing football at the local level. So I think that has been a really big weight lifted off our shoulders to be able to connect over something that's fun and exciting and energetic. And it can be a logistical nightmare with the one year old at times, but it's certainly worth the squeeze.

I recently started playing with a few of my ex teammates on a Monday night, playing social basketball, and I think that combination of just getting out there for exercise in a team environment, it's something I really haven't been able to foster too much, firstly given the pandemic and then secondarily since I've stopped playing football at the local level. So I think that has been a really big weight lifted off our shoulders to be able to connect over something that's fun and exciting and energetic. And it can be a logistical nightmare with the one year old at times, but it's certainly worth the squeeze.

I got to ask, being on the opposing team to tom BOYD, how do you how do it?

I got to ask, being on the opposing team to tom BOYD, how do you how do it?

Like?

Like?

What are your opponents thinking?

What are your opponents thinking?

There has been a few games when my opponent who Because in mixed netball you have to have four girls and three boys, and you can't have two boys in any one section of the court.

There has been a few games when my opponent who Because in mixed netball you have to have four girls and three boys, and you can't have two boys in any one section of the court.

There's been a couple of.

There's been a couple of.

Times where I've had a couple of girls come down to stand next to me as the goal shooter and I'm the goalkeeper and they're five foot nothing, and it's just it's not fair. But having said that, the competition is very lighthearted and we just have a good time with it all. And I think the funny thing about it is I played quite a bit of mixed netbal when I was at school. We had like strange sports to choose from. At my school, Luther College, we could only play football for a term and we could only play basketball for a term, so we sort of had these two seasons that we needed to fill in from a sporting point of view, and mixed nepple was one of the ones we undertook and we actually ended up playing in a state championship with a bunch of the footy guys. And I kind of know the rules, is the point I'm making, But many of the guys that we invite along, whether they be footge friends, are otherwise. The rules are very complicated if you haven't played netball before, so sometimes having the guys on your team, or those who haven't played netball probably more specifically, can be more of a hindrance than to help.

Times where I've had a couple of girls come down to stand next to me as the goal shooter and I'm the goalkeeper and they're five foot nothing, and it's just it's not fair. But having said that, the competition is very lighthearted and we just have a good time with it all. And I think the funny thing about it is I played quite a bit of mixed netbal when I was at school. We had like strange sports to choose from. At my school, Luther College, we could only play football for a term and we could only play basketball for a term, so we sort of had these two seasons that we needed to fill in from a sporting point of view, and mixed nepple was one of the ones we undertook and we actually ended up playing in a state championship with a bunch of the footy guys. And I kind of know the rules, is the point I'm making, But many of the guys that we invite along, whether they be footge friends, are otherwise. The rules are very complicated if you haven't played netball before, so sometimes having the guys on your team, or those who haven't played netball probably more specifically, can be more of a hindrance than to help.

I'm curious about the change from competitive sport to social sport just mentally.

I'm curious about the change from competitive sport to social sport just mentally.

That's quite a big difference.

That's quite a big difference.

Not playing to win, and I guess playing for other benefits as opposed to winning.

Not playing to win, and I guess playing for other benefits as opposed to winning.

We're like, how do you make that shift?

We're like, how do you make that shift?

I think it's a great question.

I think it's a great question.

I think what I've realized is that my motivation to play sport is still the same. I mean, I still want to win, and I still want to have a good time doing it, but it's just the focus for winning only last, probably for the last five minutes of the game. The rest of the game, within reason, I'm happy just to be a part of it all, and then once it gets down to crunch down, I'm pretty keen to to make sure that we win, because, yeah, I don't know. That's what sports sort of is designed around, is the scoreboard and the winning.

I think what I've realized is that my motivation to play sport is still the same. I mean, I still want to win, and I still want to have a good time doing it, but it's just the focus for winning only last, probably for the last five minutes of the game. The rest of the game, within reason, I'm happy just to be a part of it all, and then once it gets down to crunch down, I'm pretty keen to to make sure that we win, because, yeah, I don't know. That's what sports sort of is designed around, is the scoreboard and the winning.

And the losing. And you know, it.

And the losing. And you know, it.

Makes it all the better if you can get through the end of the season and be victorious and go out for a nice dinner with everyone afterwards and celebrate the victories.

Makes it all the better if you can get through the end of the season and be victorious and go out for a nice dinner with everyone afterwards and celebrate the victories.

But it certainly is not the same in terms of preparation.

But it certainly is not the same in terms of preparation.

I mean, one of the overwhelmingly sort of heavy parts of professional sport is the preparation week to week and the accumulation of pressure that you place on yourself from the moment the game before or the game that finishes the week before ends, and the moment that the next game starts, and those seven days or five days and changes week to week depending on scheduling, they are just in a constant ramp up of preparation to beat the next side. And I think for me to not have to have that, to have sport as it once was in my life as a bit of an escape for my day to day routine and the things that I need to accomplish and be accountable and responsible for as a working member of society. As I would put it now, it's a really nice sort of throwback to probably when I was a bit younger and living a more balanced lifestyle than I was when I was playing AFL football.

I mean, one of the overwhelmingly sort of heavy parts of professional sport is the preparation week to week and the accumulation of pressure that you place on yourself from the moment the game before or the game that finishes the week before ends, and the moment that the next game starts, and those seven days or five days and changes week to week depending on scheduling, they are just in a constant ramp up of preparation to beat the next side. And I think for me to not have to have that, to have sport as it once was in my life as a bit of an escape for my day to day routine and the things that I need to accomplish and be accountable and responsible for as a working member of society. As I would put it now, it's a really nice sort of throwback to probably when I was a bit younger and living a more balanced lifestyle than I was when I was playing AFL football.

It's interesting about the shift in your daily and weekly rituals. I would imagine that happens after you stop playing competitive sport, and I'm wondering, over the last few years, what is a daily or weekly ritual that's made the biggest positive improvement to your life.

It's interesting about the shift in your daily and weekly rituals. I would imagine that happens after you stop playing competitive sport, and I'm wondering, over the last few years, what is a daily or weekly ritual that's made the biggest positive improvement to your life.

Yeah, this is going to sound really stupid, but weekends would be the biggest difference.

Yeah, this is going to sound really stupid, but weekends would be the biggest difference.

Tell me about that.

Tell me about that.

So, when I was playing football for probably thirty eight minimum weeks of the year, weekends were not my own. All through pre season. You train Saturday mornings and by the way, which is awesome. So you do your training session, you finish at ten or twelve or whatever it is, and then you've got the rest of the week in yourself. But you never get those two days to actually go away or to do things perhaps that take a little bit more time to travel. The other thing that you don't have and I didn't learn this until genuinely the last twelve months is public holidays. Like I didn't know when Labor Day was, or when previously the Queen's birthday was, or even even Easter. It was never on my radar from a calendar point of view because we'd always playing Easter Friday. It was just another week. And I think for me being able to actually amalgamate back into society where you have these five weeks or five days two days off has been really really great because whilst the working environment for me is different to most, I would say I have some flexibility in terms of my work.

So, when I was playing football for probably thirty eight minimum weeks of the year, weekends were not my own. All through pre season. You train Saturday mornings and by the way, which is awesome. So you do your training session, you finish at ten or twelve or whatever it is, and then you've got the rest of the week in yourself. But you never get those two days to actually go away or to do things perhaps that take a little bit more time to travel. The other thing that you don't have and I didn't learn this until genuinely the last twelve months is public holidays. Like I didn't know when Labor Day was, or when previously the Queen's birthday was, or even even Easter. It was never on my radar from a calendar point of view because we'd always playing Easter Friday. It was just another week. And I think for me being able to actually amalgamate back into society where you have these five weeks or five days two days off has been really really great because whilst the working environment for me is different to most, I would say I have some flexibility in terms of my work.

I still do work quite a few weekends.

I still do work quite a few weekends.

I still have that ability haspend for the vast majority of the year Sundays with my family, to plan ahead knowing that the weekends will be my own and that I can actually choose what I'm doing on them, as opposed to what previously was, Hey, you need to be here Friday, here, Saturday, here, Sunday.

I still have that ability haspend for the vast majority of the year Sundays with my family, to plan ahead knowing that the weekends will be my own and that I can actually choose what I'm doing on them, as opposed to what previously was, Hey, you need to be here Friday, here, Saturday, here, Sunday.

These are the times. These are expectations and you.

These are the times. These are expectations and you.

Don't ever get that reprieve of, you know, just that stop gap in a year which we all need. Rights like the little breaks that we get give us the vitality boost, I suppose, if used correctly, to to take on the stresses and challenges that the year accumulates for us. So I think that's been the most significant difference for me, and just becoming part of normal society, I suppose at the last couple of years.

Don't ever get that reprieve of, you know, just that stop gap in a year which we all need. Rights like the little breaks that we get give us the vitality boost, I suppose, if used correctly, to to take on the stresses and challenges that the year accumulates for us. So I think that's been the most significant difference for me, and just becoming part of normal society, I suppose at the last couple of years.

I think it's interesting how it's easy to take weekends for granted.

I think it's interesting how it's easy to take weekends for granted.

It's funny.

It's funny.

A few months ago one of my good friends had a complete career change and became a real estate agent, and now she works every single weekend, and it's funny. I find myself waking up on Saturday or doing something on Saturday morning, and I always think about her, and it makes me feel really grateful that I've actually got the weekend to myself.

A few months ago one of my good friends had a complete career change and became a real estate agent, and now she works every single weekend, and it's funny. I find myself waking up on Saturday or doing something on Saturday morning, and I always think about her, and it makes me feel really grateful that I've actually got the weekend to myself.

So I'm curious, how do you now, with this really big.

So I'm curious, how do you now, with this really big.

Change where weekends are your own, how do you make the most of that or how do you not just start to take it for granted like a lot of people do.

Change where weekends are your own, how do you make the most of that or how do you not just start to take it for granted like a lot of people do.

Yeah, I think it's different when you have children. I mean, my first was born just over a year ago. Omanie and I think for us, in the initial probably ten months, we didn't require any significant events to keep her stimulated. I mean, she was basically just wanted to hang out with us and she wasn't walking yet. Within the last few weeks, she's really well, probably the last month or two now, she's really ramped up in her requirement for engagement all the time. And by that I mean that, you know, we feel like she's at the age where she needs to get out and see stuff, and so Anna and I we've made a distinct effort to try and bring her to different things. And when she went to the zoo for the first time, the aquarium was on the cards. I think we've spoken recently about some of the petting zoos around and you know, if it's not that it's going to the South Melbourne market or it's going out and spending some time at the local parks, it's just stuff where we feel like we want her to see the world, or see as much of our world as she can. And the other thing selfishly from Anna and I as part is there's a lot of things in Melbourne that we would never have done together without children. And so it's this sort of double edged sword where we can capitalize on the fact that we have now a reason to go out and see all of Melbourne what it has to offer, and of course different parts of Australia and the world in good time. And I think for me that's what capitalizing on it looks like, because you know previously, one of the things that you get told or I was told, I suppose.

Yeah, I think it's different when you have children. I mean, my first was born just over a year ago. Omanie and I think for us, in the initial probably ten months, we didn't require any significant events to keep her stimulated. I mean, she was basically just wanted to hang out with us and she wasn't walking yet. Within the last few weeks, she's really well, probably the last month or two now, she's really ramped up in her requirement for engagement all the time. And by that I mean that, you know, we feel like she's at the age where she needs to get out and see stuff, and so Anna and I we've made a distinct effort to try and bring her to different things. And when she went to the zoo for the first time, the aquarium was on the cards. I think we've spoken recently about some of the petting zoos around and you know, if it's not that it's going to the South Melbourne market or it's going out and spending some time at the local parks, it's just stuff where we feel like we want her to see the world, or see as much of our world as she can. And the other thing selfishly from Anna and I as part is there's a lot of things in Melbourne that we would never have done together without children. And so it's this sort of double edged sword where we can capitalize on the fact that we have now a reason to go out and see all of Melbourne what it has to offer, and of course different parts of Australia and the world in good time. And I think for me that's what capitalizing on it looks like, because you know previously, one of the things that you get told or I was told, I suppose.

As an athlete is one of the most difficult things.

As an athlete is one of the most difficult things.

For spouses and partners of professional athletes is what they see when an athlete's lying on the couch is someone lying on the couch, But that's not what they're doing. They're actually still recovering or working or trying to boost their energy because they've got to go out and play.

For spouses and partners of professional athletes is what they see when an athlete's lying on the couch is someone lying on the couch, But that's not what they're doing. They're actually still recovering or working or trying to boost their energy because they've got to go out and play.

A fifteen kilometer game the next day.

A fifteen kilometer game the next day.

But I think for me, now that I am truly part of society in a more regular way, I would say, not completely normal, but close enough, it's important that now we can live on even terms and not have to make all these concessions based on my needs and my works needs.

But I think for me, now that I am truly part of society in a more regular way, I would say, not completely normal, but close enough, it's important that now we can live on even terms and not have to make all these concessions based on my needs and my works needs.

In particular.

In particular.

Are there daily rituals that you have in place, And I know that this can be really hard, particularly when you've got such a young child as part of your family now. But is there anything you do on a daily or almost daily basis that has a really big improvement for your own health and well being?

Are there daily rituals that you have in place, And I know that this can be really hard, particularly when you've got such a young child as part of your family now. But is there anything you do on a daily or almost daily basis that has a really big improvement for your own health and well being?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think from a philosophy point of view, I get asked this question all the time, and I think, you know, one of the things that a lot of people need is structure, right, and they need that routine.

I think from a philosophy point of view, I get asked this question all the time, and I think, you know, one of the things that a lot of people need is structure, right, and they need that routine.

I probably have had more routine than possibly healthy over.

I probably have had more routine than possibly healthy over.

The course of my twenty three years leading up until my retirement in twenty nineteen, not to say that I still don't have some routine, but I think one of the things that you work out when you leave the game of AFL football is that for the first time.

The course of my twenty three years leading up until my retirement in twenty nineteen, not to say that I still don't have some routine, but I think one of the things that you work out when you leave the game of AFL football is that for the first time.

In your life, you have true choice where you spend your time on what you do with it.

In your life, you have true choice where you spend your time on what you do with it.

And I think that it made such a big difference to me to have that freedom to actually choose, and that, in a way is lightness and sort of freshness in my life on its own. And I think from a practical point of view, to answer them sort of specific question, I think just spending time with my daughter in the mornings is the best way that I can possibly start the day, whether it be you know, we'll put some David Attenborough the TV, or will go down and I'll wake her up in the morning because she's actually a really good sleeper. Apologies to all the parents of poor sleepers out there, We've got a good one.

And I think that it made such a big difference to me to have that freedom to actually choose, and that, in a way is lightness and sort of freshness in my life on its own. And I think from a practical point of view, to answer them sort of specific question, I think just spending time with my daughter in the mornings is the best way that I can possibly start the day, whether it be you know, we'll put some David Attenborough the TV, or will go down and I'll wake her up in the morning because she's actually a really good sleeper. Apologies to all the parents of poor sleepers out there, We've got a good one.

Sorry, And so yeah, just spending some.

Sorry, And so yeah, just spending some.

Time feeding her breakfast with my wife and going up and walking up and getting a coffee or whatever it may be before work, I think is just the perfect way for me to ground myself before I start the day, and then on the actual mental health and well being side. What I've found is as a really interesting development I suppose in my overall resilience toolkit is that whilst there is a toolkit to say, most of the improvements I would say that I have in my mental health compared to how I dealt with it when I was younger is just the ability to take control over my mindset to the day. And I think partially that comes from an understanding of being where I was. Where I was just such in a dire place and always felt like the next day would be worse than the one I was living currently, whereas now I'm much more in the breath of if a bad morning occurs, then I'm not letting it become.

Time feeding her breakfast with my wife and going up and walking up and getting a coffee or whatever it may be before work, I think is just the perfect way for me to ground myself before I start the day, and then on the actual mental health and well being side. What I've found is as a really interesting development I suppose in my overall resilience toolkit is that whilst there is a toolkit to say, most of the improvements I would say that I have in my mental health compared to how I dealt with it when I was younger is just the ability to take control over my mindset to the day. And I think partially that comes from an understanding of being where I was. Where I was just such in a dire place and always felt like the next day would be worse than the one I was living currently, whereas now I'm much more in the breath of if a bad morning occurs, then I'm not letting it become.

A bad day, and likewise a bad day not become a bad week.

A bad day, and likewise a bad day not become a bad week.

And there's mechanisms and leaders I can pull to make sure I accomplish that, but it's more so for me just the mindset that I'm not going back to where I was, and whatever it takes to make sure that's the case, I think is certainly the way I approach it at the moment.

And there's mechanisms and leaders I can pull to make sure I accomplish that, but it's more so for me just the mindset that I'm not going back to where I was, and whatever it takes to make sure that's the case, I think is certainly the way I approach it at the moment.

What's something unusual that you do to feel happier?

What's something unusual that you do to feel happier?

Something unusual? I'm quite a big.

Something unusual? I'm quite a big.

I'm quite a big listener of lighthearted podcasts of the like. And I think, you know, in one way, shape or form, you could imagine a world where you listen to comedians or knuckle heads talking about sports and you're wasting your time. And the only reason I disagree with that is, you know, my job, in large part is being a communicator. I mean, I do a lot of speaking publicly, I do my own podcasting, I do.

I'm quite a big listener of lighthearted podcasts of the like. And I think, you know, in one way, shape or form, you could imagine a world where you listen to comedians or knuckle heads talking about sports and you're wasting your time. And the only reason I disagree with that is, you know, my job, in large part is being a communicator. I mean, I do a lot of speaking publicly, I do my own podcasting, I do.

Much presenting in my regular job.

Much presenting in my regular job.

I do basically everything is evolved around my ability to connect with others.

I do basically everything is evolved around my ability to connect with others.

And to tell stories in one way, shape or form, And.

And to tell stories in one way, shape or form, And.

I think they're listening to people who are passionate about things and enthusiastic and also do that for a living. It's actually been a really great way for me to disconnect from stress whilst I'm trying to accomplish perhaps little things around the house or whatever it may be. But at the same time, I think by way of osmosis, there's a.

I think they're listening to people who are passionate about things and enthusiastic and also do that for a living. It's actually been a really great way for me to disconnect from stress whilst I'm trying to accomplish perhaps little things around the house or whatever it may be. But at the same time, I think by way of osmosis, there's a.

Natural learning that occurs for me in that.

Natural learning that occurs for me in that.

So I don't know if that's that strange or weird, but yeah, I probably do it a lot more than most people do.

So I don't know if that's that strange or weird, but yeah, I probably do it a lot more than most people do.

I would say, what do your go to podcasts for getting in that headspace?

I would say, what do your go to podcasts for getting in that headspace?

If you like?

If you like?

Yeah, well, so the one I listened to regularly most regularly would be the Pat McAfee Show, which is basically a daily sports show around the NFL football in America, but they sort of cover off all of the big sports over there, and they are what you could quintessentially describe as a bunch of knuckleheads. Yeah, very lighthearted, go and take themselves too seriously. It's not too structure of a show, and of course there's heaps of content.

Yeah, well, so the one I listened to regularly most regularly would be the Pat McAfee Show, which is basically a daily sports show around the NFL football in America, but they sort of cover off all of the big sports over there, and they are what you could quintessentially describe as a bunch of knuckleheads. Yeah, very lighthearted, go and take themselves too seriously. It's not too structure of a show, and of course there's heaps of content.

As they do it every day.

As they do it every day.

So I really like those guys because there's an element of me that you know, on a sort of surface level, can see there.

So I really like those guys because there's an element of me that you know, on a sort of surface level, can see there.

You know, these guys are just having a good time. It looks really easy.

You know, these guys are just having a good time. It looks really easy.

But then I think, given the professional lens that I sort of take to it, I can see the real talent that they have to maintain conversation, to keep things light harder, to keep a conversation moving, and to present and talk to some of the biggest guests in the world. And I think that for me is a real sort of underlying value that I find.

But then I think, given the professional lens that I sort of take to it, I can see the real talent that they have to maintain conversation, to keep things light harder, to keep a conversation moving, and to present and talk to some of the biggest guests in the world. And I think that for me is a real sort of underlying value that I find.

We will be back with Tom soon talking about a piece of advice that he received that immeasurably improved his life. If you're looking for more tips to improve the way you live, I write a short fortnightly newsletter that contains three cool things that I've discovered that help make my life better in some way. You can sign up for that at how I Work dot co. That's how I Work dot Co. Now, Tom, I'm wondering, what's a piece of advice that you have received and applied that has immeasurably improved your life.

We will be back with Tom soon talking about a piece of advice that he received that immeasurably improved his life. If you're looking for more tips to improve the way you live, I write a short fortnightly newsletter that contains three cool things that I've discovered that help make my life better in some way. You can sign up for that at how I Work dot co. That's how I Work dot Co. Now, Tom, I'm wondering, what's a piece of advice that you have received and applied that has immeasurably improved your life.

When I was coming towards the end of my career, it was twenty eighteen. I'd moved on for many of the issues I faced the year before. I put some things in place. I felt like I was in a really good spot, to be totally honest, and I remember I was sort of hit on the sidelines with a bad back injury and sort of got to the point where it was just not moving forward, and I was starting to really try and reconcile in my mind what I wanted to do moving forward with my future. I still had two and a half years in my contract, I still had over two million dollars left on it. There was all these things that sort of indicated that it was an obvious decision to stay. But for whatever reason, I had an inkling that you know, I'd had these conversations with myself for a while and it was getting close where it felt like the right call to move on. And I remember talking to the club doctor at the time, Gary Zimmerman, and you know, I made mention to him at GAZ, I don't think I want to do this anymore. I think I'm going to retire, and he looked at me like I was crazy. But the advice that followed from him was really really important. And that advice was that he said to me, he said, Tommy, I've seen too many players rehabilitating injuries make rash decisions, change their life and invariably end up regretting it forever. And I think what that really gets to is this concept that making life changing decisions when we're happy, mad or angry or sad or angry, I should say, is a sort of futile effort, given that we're not in the frame of mind to think long term.

When I was coming towards the end of my career, it was twenty eighteen. I'd moved on for many of the issues I faced the year before. I put some things in place. I felt like I was in a really good spot, to be totally honest, and I remember I was sort of hit on the sidelines with a bad back injury and sort of got to the point where it was just not moving forward, and I was starting to really try and reconcile in my mind what I wanted to do moving forward with my future. I still had two and a half years in my contract, I still had over two million dollars left on it. There was all these things that sort of indicated that it was an obvious decision to stay. But for whatever reason, I had an inkling that you know, I'd had these conversations with myself for a while and it was getting close where it felt like the right call to move on. And I remember talking to the club doctor at the time, Gary Zimmerman, and you know, I made mention to him at GAZ, I don't think I want to do this anymore. I think I'm going to retire, and he looked at me like I was crazy. But the advice that followed from him was really really important. And that advice was that he said to me, he said, Tommy, I've seen too many players rehabilitating injuries make rash decisions, change their life and invariably end up regretting it forever. And I think what that really gets to is this concept that making life changing decisions when we're happy, mad or angry or sad or angry, I should say, is a sort of futile effort, given that we're not in the frame of mind to think long term.

We're thinking laterally.

We're thinking laterally.

We're trying to sort of find our way through the muck that perhaps we're stuck in at that time, or perhaps we're standing on the mountaintop going everything's clear skies and clear, clear sailing your head. So for him, he said to me, just do this for me, come back and play foot. He get back to being fit, get back to being capable of going out there, and if you still want to do it, then.

We're trying to sort of find our way through the muck that perhaps we're stuck in at that time, or perhaps we're standing on the mountaintop going everything's clear skies and clear, clear sailing your head. So for him, he said to me, just do this for me, come back and play foot. He get back to being fit, get back to being capable of going out there, and if you still want to do it, then.

You'll have my blessing.

You'll have my blessing.

And of course I didn't have to listen to him, but it made a lot of logical sense to me, and I think for me, that's an outstanding piece of advice for everyone, and that is just, you know, find your equilibrium before you change everything, because we can be rash at times as humans.

And of course I didn't have to listen to him, but it made a lot of logical sense to me, and I think for me, that's an outstanding piece of advice for everyone, and that is just, you know, find your equilibrium before you change everything, because we can be rash at times as humans.

I love that when you made the decision to retire from AFL. Did you know exactly what you would do for work in inverted commas when you made that decision?

I love that when you made the decision to retire from AFL. Did you know exactly what you would do for work in inverted commas when you made that decision?

Absolutely not. I had a sense.

Absolutely not. I had a sense.

I had a sense that there was some opportunities on the horizon. I didn't know what they would be, and to be frank, you know, I probably spent six or seven months working through a number of different options, one of which was basically, you know, going down the path of speaking and publicly being able to share my message and also finding the right organization to be a part of.

I had a sense that there was some opportunities on the horizon. I didn't know what they would be, and to be frank, you know, I probably spent six or seven months working through a number of different options, one of which was basically, you know, going down the path of speaking and publicly being able to share my message and also finding the right organization to be a part of.

But I didn't want to rush it.

But I didn't want to rush it.

And again this is very much circumstantial based on the fact that I owned a lot of as a really young person, and that gave me the advantage and the sort of ability to make slower decisions than many people face. So I totally understand that. That's why I'm sort of quite quite keen to give the provision of make decisions based on finances as well as purpose. But what I did know was that people were interested in what I had to say, and I began to go down that path, and unfortunately what I ran into was it takes six to eight months or whatever it did to prepare myself for a strong year in twenty twenty, and then that whole sneaky pandemic came up on us and all of that work disappeared. But what the really great thing about the pandemic was for me was that it forced me to really consider what I wanted to do. And in that time, what I recognized was two things. One, I wasn't fully fully done with the life that I just led in my football career, and that I actually wanted to write about it, and I wanted to sort of tie in a bow and put it out as.

And again this is very much circumstantial based on the fact that I owned a lot of as a really young person, and that gave me the advantage and the sort of ability to make slower decisions than many people face. So I totally understand that. That's why I'm sort of quite quite keen to give the provision of make decisions based on finances as well as purpose. But what I did know was that people were interested in what I had to say, and I began to go down that path, and unfortunately what I ran into was it takes six to eight months or whatever it did to prepare myself for a strong year in twenty twenty, and then that whole sneaky pandemic came up on us and all of that work disappeared. But what the really great thing about the pandemic was for me was that it forced me to really consider what I wanted to do. And in that time, what I recognized was two things. One, I wasn't fully fully done with the life that I just led in my football career, and that I actually wanted to write about it, and I wanted to sort of tie in a bow and put it out as.

The book knowa to hide.

The book knowa to hide.

And that was really important forming mentally, because it's a very difficult task writing a book from my experience. And the other one was that I recognized that for the first time in my life as a twenty three year old going on twenty four, was I didn't have a team around me, and I didn't have anyone to turn to on a daily basis. I could call my dad, I could call my manager, but they weren't living with me, they weren't working with me. They were support staff or support networks rather than people that were on the ground and dealing with my day to day. And actually that's where I began to sort of reach out and start looking at what a flexible arrangement of work could be for me, where I could contribute to a team that I respected and cared about on a mission that I believed in. And that's where I found ever perform, which is the business that I work three days a week four now. So you know, amongst all of the challenges the pandemic presented, I think, you know, if there's one thing I'm proud of in terms of my experience, was that I just made it work and I found a way to actually take the good parts out of it amongst all of the sea of negatives.

And that was really important forming mentally, because it's a very difficult task writing a book from my experience. And the other one was that I recognized that for the first time in my life as a twenty three year old going on twenty four, was I didn't have a team around me, and I didn't have anyone to turn to on a daily basis. I could call my dad, I could call my manager, but they weren't living with me, they weren't working with me. They were support staff or support networks rather than people that were on the ground and dealing with my day to day. And actually that's where I began to sort of reach out and start looking at what a flexible arrangement of work could be for me, where I could contribute to a team that I respected and cared about on a mission that I believed in. And that's where I found ever perform, which is the business that I work three days a week four now. So you know, amongst all of the challenges the pandemic presented, I think, you know, if there's one thing I'm proud of in terms of my experience, was that I just made it work and I found a way to actually take the good parts out of it amongst all of the sea of negatives.

We've talked about advice that you've received, I'm curious what piece of advice do you find yourself giving to people most frequently.

We've talked about advice that you've received, I'm curious what piece of advice do you find yourself giving to people most frequently.

I think the one that probably stands out to me is what I find with XAFL players in particular, is they really struggle to understand their worth and what can contribution and value that they can provide to the next stage of their life. And I think that the reason for that is varied, but I'll try and summarize at the best I can, which is, for the first time in anyone's life, when they get delisted from the AFL. It is almost exclusively the first time that they've been told that they're not good enough. They've been trying to play AFI football presumably for the vast majority of their life.

I think the one that probably stands out to me is what I find with XAFL players in particular, is they really struggle to understand their worth and what can contribution and value that they can provide to the next stage of their life. And I think that the reason for that is varied, but I'll try and summarize at the best I can, which is, for the first time in anyone's life, when they get delisted from the AFL. It is almost exclusively the first time that they've been told that they're not good enough. They've been trying to play AFI football presumably for the vast majority of their life.

They've worked their absolute butt off to get there.

They've worked their absolute butt off to get there.

They've been the best player in every team to get to the point where they're nar at, and now they're being told that the dream's over. Bad luck, pack your bag, see you later. And that's really really a massive hit to the ego, a huge hit to people's self talk and self work and all of those sorts of things as well.

They've been the best player in every team to get to the point where they're nar at, and now they're being told that the dream's over. Bad luck, pack your bag, see you later. And that's really really a massive hit to the ego, a huge hit to people's self talk and self work and all of those sorts of things as well.

And that's one reason.

And that's one reason.

The other reason I think is that people are inherently told in AFL that you bring the skills that you learn within the league, things that most people would kill for, basically, which is ability to deal with pressure, high performance teams, feedback driven culture, connecting with people for more walks of life, being disciplined, professional expectation, accountability, responsibility, every value you've ever seen on a corporate boardsheet, which I imagine you've seen quite a few over your yes. AFL football provides that for people who are willing to learn the problem is that so many players struggle to translate that to reality like the what is the what is the outcome that is connected with the values and the skills and the capability that I've learned rather than just having them, which I could only imply in a very small specific niche to main like football, How do I provide it and complete it elsewhere? And so when I talk to these players, I try and explain to that you know, they've got so much to offer, is essentially the piece of advice that I have, and don't sell yourself short and don't accept the crappy role and you know, sprint down to play footy because there's quick money there.

The other reason I think is that people are inherently told in AFL that you bring the skills that you learn within the league, things that most people would kill for, basically, which is ability to deal with pressure, high performance teams, feedback driven culture, connecting with people for more walks of life, being disciplined, professional expectation, accountability, responsibility, every value you've ever seen on a corporate boardsheet, which I imagine you've seen quite a few over your yes. AFL football provides that for people who are willing to learn the problem is that so many players struggle to translate that to reality like the what is the what is the outcome that is connected with the values and the skills and the capability that I've learned rather than just having them, which I could only imply in a very small specific niche to main like football, How do I provide it and complete it elsewhere? And so when I talk to these players, I try and explain to that you know, they've got so much to offer, is essentially the piece of advice that I have, and don't sell yourself short and don't accept the crappy role and you know, sprint down to play footy because there's quick money there.

Make a smart and.

Make a smart and.

Calculated decision because it's the first day of the rest of your working life and easier said than done. But it's certainly something that I've just seen. AFL players have characteristics that are so sought after in the corporate landscape and so rare to find in that environment that I just, yeah, I think they could offer so much value given the time to learn and catch up.

Calculated decision because it's the first day of the rest of your working life and easier said than done. But it's certainly something that I've just seen. AFL players have characteristics that are so sought after in the corporate landscape and so rare to find in that environment that I just, yeah, I think they could offer so much value given the time to learn and catch up.

A love of your career has been requiring you to get in the zone to perform, and I imagine that there would have been numerous times where you were not feeling it and certainly you know you've spoken publicly about a lot of those times. But I'm curious, you know, nowadays, when you need to perform, and you know, maybe it's for a keynote speech or something like that, what is a fail safe way that you use to get in that signe.

A love of your career has been requiring you to get in the zone to perform, and I imagine that there would have been numerous times where you were not feeling it and certainly you know you've spoken publicly about a lot of those times. But I'm curious, you know, nowadays, when you need to perform, and you know, maybe it's for a keynote speech or something like that, what is a fail safe way that you use to get in that signe.

So yesterday morning I had to get to Tasmania to do a kigover in Hobart, and I hadn't slept that well, and I knew it was a big thing, and it had a crazy week of travel last week, and so I've just this fatigue level was building up, and so I knew that yesterday morning, before my pretty early flight, I need to go out, go for a run in the cold and the rain, not far, a couple of k's, get my breathing going, do all of that before I bought a coffee, because I knew if I got up straight away and humanman talks about this, actually I know you mentioned it earlier. You have a coffee straight away, it just sort of, you know, just makes the anxiety levels accelerate based on the chemical process.

So yesterday morning I had to get to Tasmania to do a kigover in Hobart, and I hadn't slept that well, and I knew it was a big thing, and it had a crazy week of travel last week, and so I've just this fatigue level was building up, and so I knew that yesterday morning, before my pretty early flight, I need to go out, go for a run in the cold and the rain, not far, a couple of k's, get my breathing going, do all of that before I bought a coffee, because I knew if I got up straight away and humanman talks about this, actually I know you mentioned it earlier. You have a coffee straight away, it just sort of, you know, just makes the anxiety levels accelerate based on the chemical process.

Going on in your body.

Going on in your body.

So do the a little bit of running half an hour whatever it was, go for a bit of a walk, have a shower, I walk up, get a coffee, just bring myself the life before before. My wife got out a bit and that's all I needed for the day. That was it, because I can manage everything else. It's just if I can't get on top of things early, then I flight. I know, a flight just makes me slightly. You know, your body doesn't function probably at thirty thousand feet. And then the second one was got home quite late last night. I had to be up at five point thirty four six o'clock for this breakfast event that I had this morning. Great, same problem. So this morning I knew I did't enough time to go for a run, but I'll get out, I'll put the clothes on, go for a walk, just wake myself up. Do something that just provided me with some physical utility for the day. And both of those times, it just at least gives me the like I know, I can put myself into the zone to be honest with you in any which way, shape or form. Like there's moments when I've had to do it and I didn't have the liberty of using tools like that I just described. But if I do have the time, it just gives me this additional level of confidence that everything's going to be okay and I can work it out. So that would be the case now, which is really funny because it's probably again one of those things that's lingering based on my football experience where exercise is part of the zone, not just in preparation for it.

So do the a little bit of running half an hour whatever it was, go for a bit of a walk, have a shower, I walk up, get a coffee, just bring myself the life before before. My wife got out a bit and that's all I needed for the day. That was it, because I can manage everything else. It's just if I can't get on top of things early, then I flight. I know, a flight just makes me slightly. You know, your body doesn't function probably at thirty thousand feet. And then the second one was got home quite late last night. I had to be up at five point thirty four six o'clock for this breakfast event that I had this morning. Great, same problem. So this morning I knew I did't enough time to go for a run, but I'll get out, I'll put the clothes on, go for a walk, just wake myself up. Do something that just provided me with some physical utility for the day. And both of those times, it just at least gives me the like I know, I can put myself into the zone to be honest with you in any which way, shape or form. Like there's moments when I've had to do it and I didn't have the liberty of using tools like that I just described. But if I do have the time, it just gives me this additional level of confidence that everything's going to be okay and I can work it out. So that would be the case now, which is really funny because it's probably again one of those things that's lingering based on my football experience where exercise is part of the zone, not just in preparation for it.

Yeah, what would that.

Yeah, what would that.

Look like back when you were playing AFL sort of like the half an hour in the lead up to the match?

Look like back when you were playing AFL sort of like the half an hour in the lead up to the match?

What would you be doing in that time?

What would you be doing in that time?

So telling you the half an hour probably won't make as much sense as telling you the two and a half hours. So basically two and a half hours before a game, your arrived first session is strapping all of your broken fingers or broken ankles or shoulders or whatever you've got, all of which I had at different times, and even at the same time. You tend to all of those, prepare them for a game, get dressed to probably go out and have a look at the ground, walk around, sort of get a feel for the conditions, whether you're inside at Marvel or outside elsewhere. Then you come back in you probably have a coach's address for twenty minutes about the game and preparation and plans and reminders and all that sort of stuff. Then you're out for a first warm up stretching, mobility, ball handling, then you're out for the main warm up, then you're back. Then it's a pre game stretch like it's overwhelming, and it's basically all like a ramp up until that.

So telling you the half an hour probably won't make as much sense as telling you the two and a half hours. So basically two and a half hours before a game, your arrived first session is strapping all of your broken fingers or broken ankles or shoulders or whatever you've got, all of which I had at different times, and even at the same time. You tend to all of those, prepare them for a game, get dressed to probably go out and have a look at the ground, walk around, sort of get a feel for the conditions, whether you're inside at Marvel or outside elsewhere. Then you come back in you probably have a coach's address for twenty minutes about the game and preparation and plans and reminders and all that sort of stuff. Then you're out for a first warm up stretching, mobility, ball handling, then you're out for the main warm up, then you're back. Then it's a pre game stretch like it's overwhelming, and it's basically all like a ramp up until that.

First siren bounces. So I'm never doing that again. That was just too much.

First siren bounces. So I'm never doing that again. That was just too much.

There's the most anxiety inducing activity because the problem is, like you're sitting there.

There's the most anxiety inducing activity because the problem is, like you're sitting there.

At least I was, I've about everyone else.

At least I was, I've about everyone else.

But if you're sitting there stressing about your performance, and you know you're worrying about how I got the physical capability and X factor that I need to have this great game today, and you get more and more tired because you're mentally stressing and physically you're getting run through the ringer in preparation for these games.

But if you're sitting there stressing about your performance, and you know you're worrying about how I got the physical capability and X factor that I need to have this great game today, and you get more and more tired because you're mentally stressing and physically you're getting run through the ringer in preparation for these games.

And I never really felt that, like I didn't need to warm.

And I never really felt that, like I didn't need to warm.

Up as much as some other players perhaps had soft tissue issues and anyway, it was a very challenging time. But a short, calm, concise run before an important meeting or important session.

Up as much as some other players perhaps had soft tissue issues and anyway, it was a very challenging time. But a short, calm, concise run before an important meeting or important session.

Now is enough for me.

Now is enough for me.

Now, Tom, if I gifted you a plaque to put on your wall, so something you like to constantly be reminded of. What would you want that plaque to say?

Now, Tom, if I gifted you a plaque to put on your wall, so something you like to constantly be reminded of. What would you want that plaque to say?

I think I don't know what it would be exactly. I think it's probably something to do with just remembering why we do what we do, because I think there's always an element.

I think I don't know what it would be exactly. I think it's probably something to do with just remembering why we do what we do, because I think there's always an element.

And I don't know about you.

And I don't know about you.

I imagine you're busy, just judging by our conversation so far, I'm busy. You know, I work two or three jobs, but inmbassadorships and writing and speaking and working and parenting and husbanding and all that sort of stuff. I think at times the wood for the tree's analogy makes a lot of sense where it's very difficult to pull yourself, you know, up to the high level the bird's eye view and say, Okay, that's why I'm doing all of these things which I in isolation love, but in culmination are like overwhelming or always fall at the wrong times, or always got issues, or you're always fixing stuff. And I think for me, knowing that you know one, for a purely professional point of view, I am. I believe in what I'm doing. I believe in what I'm doing is making a positive impact, and I believe in the cause.

I imagine you're busy, just judging by our conversation so far, I'm busy. You know, I work two or three jobs, but inmbassadorships and writing and speaking and working and parenting and husbanding and all that sort of stuff. I think at times the wood for the tree's analogy makes a lot of sense where it's very difficult to pull yourself, you know, up to the high level the bird's eye view and say, Okay, that's why I'm doing all of these things which I in isolation love, but in culmination are like overwhelming or always fall at the wrong times, or always got issues, or you're always fixing stuff. And I think for me, knowing that you know one, for a purely professional point of view, I am. I believe in what I'm doing. I believe in what I'm doing is making a positive impact, and I believe in the cause.

If you will. But equally, you.

If you will. But equally, you.

Know, on a personal note, the commercial out and the legacy outcomes that I'm building for my daughter and my family and all of the people that have cared about me and I care about as well. So I think it'd be something about that and just being able to sort of remind yourself of a high.

Know, on a personal note, the commercial out and the legacy outcomes that I'm building for my daughter and my family and all of the people that have cared about me and I care about as well. So I think it'd be something about that and just being able to sort of remind yourself of a high.

Level of view for people that want to connect with you. What is the best way to do that.

Level of view for people that want to connect with you. What is the best way to do that.

LinkedIn is a wonderful world. I mean, it's probably the easiest. Yeah, I mean, I'm on Instagram and on LinkedIn. I'm not particularly active on the other social media's anymore. I think you know, my book is out there, and if you want to connect with who I actually am without needing to do it socially, know Where to Hide is on all.

LinkedIn is a wonderful world. I mean, it's probably the easiest. Yeah, I mean, I'm on Instagram and on LinkedIn. I'm not particularly active on the other social media's anymore. I think you know, my book is out there, and if you want to connect with who I actually am without needing to do it socially, know Where to Hide is on all.

Good bookstores, they tell me. I don't know what that means, but.

Good bookstores, they tell me. I don't know what that means, but.

It's been an overwhelmingly positive response to that book and I can't be more thankful for it. And otherwise, yeah, I'm always doing something, So reach out with her whatever means you like, and I'm sure that I'll be able to connect with some great people over this over this time.

It's been an overwhelmingly positive response to that book and I can't be more thankful for it. And otherwise, yeah, I'm always doing something, So reach out with her whatever means you like, and I'm sure that I'll be able to connect with some great people over this over this time.

Amazing Tom, It's been so great getting the chance to chat. I find your story and your journey thus far incredibly inspiring, so thank you for choosing to share the last little bit of time with me.

Amazing Tom, It's been so great getting the chance to chat. I find your story and your journey thus far incredibly inspiring, so thank you for choosing to share the last little bit of time with me.

Thanks so much for having me.

Thanks so much for having me.

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