Zara McDonald and Michelle Andrews are something of a two-woman media empire. After leaving their roles at a mass digital publishing company, the journalist friends decided to go it alone and launch a podcast that their ex-employee didn’t want. The fact that said podcast, called Shameless, is one of the most downloaded in Australia - and has gone on to spawn merchandise, live events and now a book - called The Space Between: Chaos. Questions. Magic. Welcome to your twenties - speaks volumes about the ease at which these two have tapped into Australia's millennial psyche. 


But their success hasn’t come without drawbacks. Michelle and Zara have been propelled into the buzzing but also brutal world of online commentary and, as they share, it’s had a huge effect on their mental health, their sense of confidence and also their friendship. 


This is part one, of a two-part chat, so please be sure to tune into to the follow-up tomorrow. 


You can find Zara on Instagram at @zamcdonald, Michelle at @michelleandrews1 and their podcast at @shamelesspodcast 


You can listen to Shameless here


The Space Between: Chaos. Questions. Magic. Welcome to your twenties is available to buy, here


You can join the conversation, or drop us a question, via the Healthy-ish Australia Facebook page, here.


If you’re up for funny memes and health inspo follow Body+Soul on Instagram at @bodyandsoul_au


Or, head to bodyandsoul.com.au for your daily digital dose of health and wellness.


Each Sunday, you can pick up the latest copy of the Body+Soul/Stellar flipbook inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania).  
 

Zara McDonald and Michelle Andrews are something of a two-woman media empire. After leaving their roles at a mass digital publishing company, the journalist friends decided to go it alone and launch a podcast that their ex-employee didn’t want. The fact that said podcast, called Shameless, is one of the most downloaded in Australia - and has gone on to spawn merchandise, live events and now a book - called The Space Between: Chaos. Questions. Magic. Welcome to your twenties - speaks volumes about the ease at which these two have tapped into Australia's millennial psyche. 


But their success hasn’t come without drawbacks. Michelle and Zara have been propelled into the buzzing but also brutal world of online commentary and, as they share, it’s had a huge effect on their mental health, their sense of confidence and also their friendship. 


This is part one, of a two-part chat, so please be sure to tune into to the follow-up tomorrow. 


You can find Zara on Instagram at @zamcdonald, Michelle at @michelleandrews1 and their podcast at @shamelesspodcast 


You can listen to Shameless here


The Space Between: Chaos. Questions. Magic. Welcome to your twenties is available to buy, here


You can join the conversation, or drop us a question, via the Healthy-ish Australia Facebook page, here.


If you’re up for funny memes and health inspo follow Body+Soul on Instagram at @bodyandsoul_au


Or, head to bodyandsoul.com.au for your daily digital dose of health and wellness.


Each Sunday, you can pick up the latest copy of the Body+Soul/Stellar flipbook inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania).  
 

Hosted by Felicity Harley, the Healthy-ish podcast will give you the tools to make healthier decisions, for your mind, body and soul. Featuring guest interviews with the likes of Osher Günsberg, Michelle Bridges and Turia Pitt, as well as expert intel from doctors, dermatologists and dietitians, these bite-sized episodes will arm you with the knowledge and practical advice to get back the balance. We know we can't eat, think, act and move perfectly, 100% of the time, so instead we're aiming to be healthy...ish. Join us, every morning, from Monday to Friday.  For more, head to www.bodyandsoul.com.au

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Hosted by Body+Soul digital editor Alison Izzo, this podcast will help you make healthier decisions, for your mind, body and soul.

Hosted by Body+Soul digital editor Alison Izzo, the Healthy-ish podcast will give you the tools to make healthier decisions, for your mind, body and soul. Featuring guest interviews with the likes of Osher Günsberg, Michelle Bridges and Turia Pitt, as well as expert intel from doctors, dermatologists and dietitians, these bite-sized episodes will arm you with the knowledge and practical advice to get back the balance. We know we can't eat, think, act and move perfectly, 100% of the time, so instead we're aiming to be healthy...ish. Join us, every morning, from Monday to Friday. 


For more, head to www.bodyandsoul.com.au

Zara McDonald and Michelle Andrews are something of a two-woman media empire. After leaving their roles at a mass digital publishing company, the journalist friends decided to go it alone and launch a podcast that their ex-employee didn’t want. The fac...

The Shameless girls on finding purpose amongst the mess

 Felicity Harley has spent four years hosting the Healthyish podcast now it's sadly coming to an end.

Each Thursday, host Felicity Harley and Body + Soul's digital editor Holly Berckelman chat through three stories that made them spit-out - or guzzle - their green juices. Or wine. This week, they reflect on the four years Felicity has spent hosting the podcast now it's sadly coming to an end.

 

WANT MORE BODY + SOUL? 

Online: Head to bodyandsoul.com.au for your daily digital dose of health and wellness.

On social: Via Instagram at @bodyandsoul_au or Facebook. Or, TikTok here. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram @felicityharley. 

On YouTube: Watch Body + Soul TV here.

In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania). 

Each Thursday, host Felicity Harley and Body + Soul's digital editor Holly Berckelman chat through three stories that made them spit-out - or guzzle - their green juices. Or wine. This week, they reflect on the four years Felicity has spent hosting the podcast now it's sadly coming to an end.
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On social: Via Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/bodyandsoul_au/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/bodyandsoul_au/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741319341789000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1PwTJelAil8Rg8CQDENn6r">@bodyandsoul_au</a> or <a href="https://www.facebook.com/bodyandsoulau/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/bodyandsoulau/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741319341789000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1q45NipFi1g2BSolWp79L6">Facebook</a>. Or, TikTok <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@bodyandsoul_au" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tiktok.com/@bodyandsoul_au&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741319341789000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1exRZhRiBHCiINq9ZB9Ff_">here</a>. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/felicityharley/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/felicityharley/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741319341789000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0M7fAsB2FJF5zMHLRyKMK3">@felicityharley</a>.&nbsp;
On YouTube: Watch Body + Soul TV<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS1W973Zmbk6FK1Z4w0xCOg" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS1W973Zmbk6FK1Z4w0xCOg&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741319341789000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3A93ZNBpDRO_Ijuc2z7Std"> here</a>.
In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul&nbsp;inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania).&nbsp;

Reflections on the ending of Healthy-ish

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Healthy-ish Podcast: Zoe Marshall is proof manifesting actually works

Author and podcaster Zoe Marshall delves into the concept of ‘manifestation’ and shares how she has successfully manifested in her life and gives you the tools to try it 

Author and podcaster Zoe Marshall delves into the concept of ‘manifestation’ and shares how she has successfully manifested in her life, including her husband, and gives you the tools to try it, too. 

WANT MORE FROM ZOE?

For more on the Kalio Summitt see here or @kailo_aus. Kalio has a special offer just for Healthy-ish listeners - use ZOEM for $100 off tickets. Catch Zoe @zoebmarshall or for more on Ariise, see @ariise___ or here. Her new book Ariise is out April 2nd. 

WANT MORE BODY + SOUL? 

Online: Head to bodyandsoul.com.au for your daily digital dose of health and wellness.
On social: Via Instagram at @bodyandsoul_au or Facebook. Or, TikTok here. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram @felicityharley. 
In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania). 

Author and podcaster Zoe Marshall delves into the concept of &lsquo;manifestation&rsquo; and shares how she has successfully manifested in her life, including her husband, and gives you the tools to try it, too.&nbsp; WANT MORE FROM ZOE?
For more on the Kalio Summitt see <a href="https://www.kailo.com.au/pages/kailo-summit-2025?srsltid=AfmBOor5iaO74H9nXVCER4JJq0dhIKRComAfARymUrHyfco6RHEzXaq8" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.kailo.com.au/pages/kailo-summit-2025?srsltid%3DAfmBOor5iaO74H9nXVCER4JJq0dhIKRComAfARymUrHyfco6RHEzXaq8&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw37WWkX1zaiMyr_-fNndjeM">here</a> or <a href="https://www.instagram.com/kailo_aus/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/kailo_aus/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0OX3QGR9Qh4yV8oNlEQGiF">@kailo_aus</a>. Kalio has a special offer just for Healthy-ish listeners - use ZOEM for $100 off tickets. Catch Zoe <a href="https://www.instagram.com/zoebmarshall/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/zoebmarshall/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2_eez083rmM2C92S5VQo8F">@zoebmarshall</a> or for more on Ariise, see @<a href="https://www.instagram.com/ariise___/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/ariise___/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3pERXbSTO3BK1hjGfN_JQE">ariise___</a> or here. Her new book Ariise is out April 2nd.&nbsp;
WANT MORE BODY + SOUL?&nbsp;
Online: Head to <a href="https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw27Acn_AM4JXe02YzfR8488">bodyandsoul.com.au</a> for your daily digital dose of health and wellness. On social: Via Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/bodyandsoul_au/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/bodyandsoul_au/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3r0vOnD5XOhsuBsjpdFt0i">@bodyandsoul_au</a> or <a href="https://www.facebook.com/bodyandsoulau/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/bodyandsoulau/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2IC9vvFqbFWeX-eVFAWcU6">Facebook</a>. Or, TikTok <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@bodyandsoul_au" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tiktok.com/@bodyandsoul_au&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0XpEY89JytJQXR11nkFzsy">here</a>. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/felicityharley/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/felicityharley/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740610244776000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0yBAEkwUKv0u1Ez2XPSdkr">@felicityharley</a>. In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania).&nbsp;

Zoe Marshall is proof manifesting actually works

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Healthy-ish Podcast: Your sex life’s missing ingredient; peeing warning; breast cancer shock 

Felicity and Holly chat about the missing ingredient in the bedroom, Australia’s worrying breast cancer rates and the one thing you should never do when you pee

Each Thursday, host Felicity Harley and Body + Soul's digital editor Holly Berckelman chat through three stories that made them spit out - or guzzle - their green juices. Or wine. This week, they chat about the missing ingredient in the bedroom (see story here); Australia’s worrying breast cancer rates (see study here); and the one thing you should never do when you pee (see story here). 

WANT MORE BODY + SOUL? 

Online: Head to bodyandsoul.com.au for your daily digital dose of health and wellness.
On social: Via Instagram at @bodyandsoul_au or Facebook. Or, TikTok here. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram @felicityharley. 
On YouTube: Watch Body + Soul TV here.
In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania).

Each Thursday, host Felicity Harley and Body + Soul's digital editor Holly Berckelman chat through three stories that made them spit out - or guzzle - their green juices. Or wine. This week, they chat about the missing ingredient in the bedroom (see story&nbsp;<a href="https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/relationships/sex/why-intimacy-is-the-missing-ingredient-in-the-bedroom/news-story/0d1e03a6dae6e968f4294ca3231356ed" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/relationships/sex/why-intimacy-is-the-missing-ingredient-in-the-bedroom/news-story/0d1e03a6dae6e968f4294ca3231356ed&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0H4d-2pzCTH0uaJW6rrgjB">here</a>); Australia&rsquo;s worrying breast cancer rates (see study <a href="https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/aussie-breast-cancer-rates-among-the-highest-in-the-world" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/aussie-breast-cancer-rates-among-the-highest-in-the-world&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2cDA52uIpn-1wTaEeaQaU4">here</a>); and the one thing you should never do when you pee (see story&nbsp;<a href="https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/health/health-news/peeing-fauxpas-revealed/news-story/1db5d06174d32172d7f7235ed959f9f5" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/health/health-news/peeing-fauxpas-revealed/news-story/1db5d06174d32172d7f7235ed959f9f5&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw26CNhrsKT3ufOSR1kK7P71">here</a>). WANT MORE BODY + SOUL?&nbsp;
Online: Head to <a href="https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1vsah4ddcCzyqcX-s7MwdM">bodyandsoul.com.au</a> for your daily digital dose of health and wellness. On social: Via Instagram at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/bodyandsoul_au/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/bodyandsoul_au/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0RlWePNA-hRZs82cSORatY">@bodyandsoul_au</a> or <a href="https://www.facebook.com/bodyandsoulau/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/bodyandsoulau/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3yJ8Bkkw0-hmsvseETOvZQ">Facebook</a>. Or, TikTok <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@bodyandsoul_au" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tiktok.com/@bodyandsoul_au&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3uxBnyG1j82uwfHYMwjBz2">here</a>. Got an idea for an episode? DM host Felicity Harley on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/felicityharley/?hl=en" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/felicityharley/?hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3wL6O3mtGCYTV6dXKa2aB9">@felicityharley</a>. On YouTube: Watch Body + Soul TV<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS1W973Zmbk6FK1Z4w0xCOg" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS1W973Zmbk6FK1Z4w0xCOg&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1740614131348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3gCTCK7fasxfdDP-kVjaoa"> here</a>. In print: Each Sunday, grab Body+Soul&nbsp;inside The Sunday Telegraph (NSW), the Sunday Herald Sun (Victoria), The Sunday Mail (Queensland), Sunday Mail (SA) and Sunday Tasmanian (Tasmania).

Your sex life’s missing ingredient; peeing warning; breast cancer shock

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The Shameless girls on finding purpose amongst the mess

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