Fatherhood does not come with a manual. For a lot of men, it comes with pressure, fear, old patterns, and the quiet belief that they are supposed to figure it out on their own.

In this episode of the Don’t Change Much Podcast, hosts Mike Cameron and Trevor Botkin sit down with Brandon Hay and Dr. David Kuhl for a grounded conversation about fatherhood, community, and the places men finally talk. Mike brings the lens of a proud father watching his son step into adulthood, while Trevor connects the conversation to recovery, ceremony, and the power of finding yourself in a room with other men who understand.

Brandon shares the work behind Black Daddies Club, Sunday Dinners, barbershop conversations, hikes, and community spaces built with Black fathers and men, not for them from a distance. David adds his perspective on why men’s health support works best when it goes where men already are and creates the right conditions for honesty.

Together, they explore what happens when men have spaces where the mask can come down, mentorship can happen naturally, and fatherhood can be figured out in community.

You’ll hear:

• Why fatherhood can feel isolating, even when men care deeply
• How community spaces help men speak honestly without forcing it
• Why support has to be built with men, not handed down to them
• How mentorship, food, ceremony, and shared experience can change what men believe is possible

This is a conversation about men, fatherhood, and connection. Not a lecture. Not a fix. Just a reminder that men do not have to figure it all out alone

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• TedX - Redefining Fatherhood - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__OVH9UnDVk&
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