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And today we have an episode for you called One d Daddy Issues, which if you haven't heard this episode before, UM, well it started with you know, one of Oliver's favorite topics, um, who believes in heaven and Hell? And then somehow shifted over to Oliver's saying that what I believed in was one numbers. Because at the time that we recorded this episode, about not quite a year ago, I was losing my voice and here I am, if you can't tell, kind of losing my voice again. So we thought what an appropriate time to replay this One Daddy Issues episode? Where we definitely spend a good amount of time talking about nine hundred numbers, um, among many many other things, and so hopefully you'll enjoy it and we'll be back. Well, I'll be back next week, hopefully with a more normal sounding voice to just introduce um the episode that we'll we'll play from the archives next week and so on until the guys come back in a couple of weeks in the fall. UM. Although I did suggest to the guys and Josh that me and Josh kind of take over for the next few weeks and play Joe and Oliver's favorite episodes, but listen to them together and comment on them and share like little tidbits and information from when we recorded them and things like that, like a rewatch podcast of Daddy Issues episodes until Joe and Oliver come back. I am super into it. Josh is not as much into it, um, But if you guys are into it, maybe you should find him on Instagram or find his socials and harass him a little bit, send him messages and tell him that you think it's a good idea too, unless you don't, And then we'll just keep playing uninterrupted episodes of Daddy Issues from the archives. Um, like we are going to do right now, I will stop talking and let you enjoy this episode called Daddy Issues, and thank you guys so much for listening. Um enjoy. Did you guys see those numbers? Two hundred and twenty seven thousand downloads in the past thirty days? I sent that. I know the annoying, but I'm super pumped about it. I gotta keep it going. We still haven't seen one fucking dime, not one not one dime, literally, not even not one not forget a dime, not one penny, not not even not even one red cent. Now I saw that, Oh you did. Yeah, I just didn't tell you about that. So who's who's sending you read sense read our Baker a bach? I don't know. I don't that one up as opposed to uh, horrivil Red and Boker. I'm this horrible. He is in the Great Popcorn Popper in the sky. He is. He's popping all around Heaven. He's hanging with Bartles and James and Wilfred Brimley. Yeah. Do you think Bartles and James are in heaven? I think the way they lived their lives, carefree and buzzed on like bad cos. Yeah, wine coolers that are were such a hit at every college party. I don't see how they could have ever done anything that would send them to hell. Oh yeah, well we don't believe in heaven and hell. So no, I don't neither, do you? Yes, I do. I believe in and there's got to be more where I'm not doing this. I'm not getting into this again. I know, I know, But Joe, you don't believe in a heaven up here and a hell down here? Okay, what however it's defined, it's it's irrelevant. I don't believe that when you take your last breath you just evaporate and and go into the just sink into the ground. Yeah, okay, but do you believe all of a sudden, Joe is like a damn it, like and you're in hell and you're like, what the fuck? I don't think I'm going to hell. Wow, you're not the judge, I don't. I think it's all way too much for understanding, for us to understand. We've talked about this a thousand times. People are clicking off our podcast as we go down. We've got new listeners fast forwarding it like fifteen seconds at a clip. Now, Yeah, we've got new listeners, Joe. Margot keeps sending us updates every thirty eight seconds, So I know, I mean, I can print something like that out and send it to you. I can make us feel real good. I can. I can say that we have two million listeners per podcast. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a screenshot of it and send it to you. You know, my favorite thing that Margot did. She sent us one and it was growing. It's like, we have two hundred seven thousand downloads, right, and like, oh cool. And then the next one she sent with like a big like celebration phase or whatever emoji, was two thousand less than the previous. It's ad two hundred, two hundred and twenty five thousand. It was very concerned. I got, I know, I realized that. I said, I I just get excited when I see the numbers, and I saw, yeah, but there was you sent us. You sent us the dip with a really excited emoji, so we should be excited for the dip. Yes, Hey, we lost two thousand listeners confetti. Hey, Josh, do you do you believe in a in a heaven and a hell? Do you believe there's a heaven in a hell. Oh my god, sweet God. I don't know, man, I don't know. Yes you do, Josh, do you believe in heaven and Hell? I don't think so. Not really. No, Okay, than just for a bunch of godless heathens on this podcast, No wonder we don't all hang out. Well. Margot believes in Margot believes in heaven and hell for sure. No what, No, I don't believe in heaven or hell. I don't believe in anything. I think we've talked about this. I think when you're done, you're done. This is it. That's why you're so sad. That's why you're sad. I know what you're gonna say, Oliver. I can write it down in it and and put it in an envelope, and I can mail it to you and you can open it in Albuquerque or wherever you are, and it's gonna say, you know what. Margot believes in tongue rings. No, no, no, Margot believes in in one D numbers with her sexy, sultry voice. That's right. I'm losing my voice, and I lose a microphone. Animal losing my voice. So now I have a side business I'm gonna start a nine number, thank you. Well. My friend John and I when we were young, we were in high school or maybe even less or maybe I don't know what. I don't know how old we were, but we stole his dad's credit card and would call these like one numbers and it was a person. Oh, there was a person, but it was a party line. So it's like five dudes on there like yeah, baby, like you know that, being all disgusting, and John would try to do a deep voice like hey, like, my name's Paul, and we just be listening. Oh god, I don't know, probably fourteen or something, or we used to get these um paper called the like l A Express X p R E S and it was like all the nine numbers back in the day, and you know, we just found it humorous that these other dudes were on there being so disgusting and saying the weirdest things. And we were young. We didn't understand some of the terminology they were using. In so it was it was at some point in this at some point in this podcast recording, Yeah, I'm just gonna yell something out to scare the ship out of that bird behind Josh. He's got his He's got his headphones on, now, doesn't he I have the speakers on when I'm not talking so she can hear. But how do you tested, Josh? Is something No, I was gonna say. I was gonna say, I'm confused about the line, the hotline that you're talking talking about. How did you hear these other guys on? It was like a big party line. Yeah, it was a party line. I mean, you gotta remember, I'm forty five. I don't know how you hold you are, but I was. This was thirty plus years ago. And you know, you put a credit card in and it's a certain amount of minute and you and then all of a sudden you're connected, and it's a bunch of guys being like yeah, baby, and she's like you like that, baby, and another guy's like yeah, and there's like a thousand dudes. It's like it's like an audio orgy. That's insane. Yeah, it was weird. Such simpler times, such simpler times, for real, And now you're putting like parental locks on your computer so that Body and Wilder aren't seeing like, oh yeah, we had to go through a lot. We had to go through a lot to actually experience pornography back in the day, you know, to get to get a little bit more serious, you know what I mean. Like nowadays it's at the fingertips for these kids, and I have to put the locks on, or at least say to my boys, like, look, you're gonna see it. I can't prevent you from seeing porn. You just have to understand that this is all bullshit. It's like watching an action movie. Those explosions. You know, everyone's safe, no one really gets blown up. Same thing they're they're acting, they're performing. It's adult entertainment. But back in the day, dude, you remember, I mean, we had to steal a credit card, get the nine number, put it in, put on a deep voice, you know, I mean the steps involved there there. I can think of three ways as a kid in the eighties that I could come across it, like a bare boob. One. Channel nine in St. Louis was like public television, and they every once in a while they would run the British performance of Caligula, which had like a breast or two in there. So that was like, oh my god, it's like on his his own Channel nine. I'm late at night now, I just came across it. I don't even It wasn't like I was even yeah yeah, but you'd have to look in the TV guy to find that. Yeah. Two, you could pay people to go in instead of like paying people to buy beer for us as a group of kids, you could pay somebody of age I guess eighteen. I don't know what the age is to go in and buy like Hustler magazine, Cherry magazine or WE magazine, remember those things, Ye Club magazine, and then um three you could go on the TV and they were scrambled channels, but you had to like, you know, put your head next to the TV and tinfoil out of your ear. And then every once in a while it would kind of freeze on a picture of like Shannon Tweed on Cinemax and the Future mrs uh Gene Simmons. But there'd be like a freeze. Friends like, oh my god, I think I saw something. Yeah that's started distorted. Boob would be like was gone. Now you can type like three letters into a computer your kids anywhere. That frightens the hell out of me, Mike, I don't know why. With my girls, I don't feel like that was ever something that I would worry about. But with these boys now and what's going to be around in the next ten years when they're caring about that kind of stuff, I mean, oh god, oh yeah, I mean your boys will will probably virtually lose their virginity before they actually do. It's way safer when we're going through COVID thirty oh yeah, And it'll be gonna have a whole setup where you know, it has just accepted and you're gonna have to meet the virtual girl and play along with it, and it's kind of whole thing. Hello, Mr, I would like to date your son Wyatt for the evening Jesus So Shannon Shannon Tweed. Shannon Tweed played my mother in my first television show that I ever did, called My Guide to Becoming a Rock Star. She played my mom. She played Goldie hon No. She played my mom in the show What Yeah Just Started Shannon Tweet and the role of a lifetime as Goldie Hawn. And and then my my rap gift from her was a signed Playboy of her on the cover. How old were you twenty four? Okay, so it was it was age appropriate. Yeah, yeah, I only started I started acting at twenty one, you know, I didn't start young. Yeah, well my dad was Michael Dbars, remember him? No, No, okay, I forget it. Josh cut that out? What was he in kidding? Uh? He was like a rocker back in the day. I think we should after everything we talked about. Josh cut that out. Cut that out her. I'm never doing this again. Fuck um on another d dude, I got. I just wanted to see if that would scare his bird. It did a little bit, but she's a little freaked out. Look at her. Oh yeah, is that the most movement that birds had in the last like month. She doesn't. She is a bit of a perch potato as they called him. Oh is that what you guys get on your chat rooms? There, she's coming over to check me out. Do you actually go on chat rooms and stuff like parrot chat rooms? No, but I am in several groups on Facebook and Reddit. It's a bunch of guys sitting around on Yeah, it's a parent party line talk. What do you talk about? Just I don't know. People ask advice, they share things that happened with their like funny videos and stuff. There's all it's great. Are you not scared of that thing? Is it there's no part of you that thinks that it could at any point jump on your back and start digging at your neck. No, no, she's she is a lovely a lovely bird. She wouldn't do we should we should create a horror movie like Kujo, but with a parrot. It was just like loses it and I'd be more scared of the parrot. I they can fly, first of all, that's a problem. Can parrots fly? Parrots can fly? Yeah, yeah, of course she can fly. She can fly. She just can't land. That's the problem. What the funk is wrong with her? She was a little stunted in her growth. I would think that would be innate, like how to land. There shouldn't need to be instructions on that. That's what I thought, all right, Josh, cut all that parrot stuff out, all right? I think it's fascinating. Hey, guys, I have a question, Um, yeah, should Polly? My Polly doesn't want a cracker? What what should what should I ask my parrot? Then Josh is like, well, it's lost cause Polly doesn't want a cracker. When you got to put him down? Have you ever put a parrot down? No? I hope, I mean that would be awful. And are they hard to flush? Are they hard to flush down a toilet? Oh my god, you can't flush that one down a toilet. You'll put it in like a box, like a shoe box and probably bury it, right I Actually I don't know yet. Some people get them cremated and have their remains in a you know, like in a jar or something a jar. Try a thimble like a thimble, I mean, the remains of a bird. It's like, can't it could be a very small jar, not a jar, like what do they call those? When you put the shot and urn? Yeah, there he goes shokla and earn. Yeah, thank you, that's what I was looking for, Like a little tiny urn. You know you should do is just where you're at where it's ashes around your neck. Some people do that. That is a thing. Yeah, those people should be investigated. Hey, what a cool new necklace. Thanks, it's Polly Polly eight too many crackers, don't go anywhere. We'll be back after this short break with more daddy issues. Um, So I got I got sick. I've been sick for the last like three days, four days, which I haven't experienced in forever. No, because I get tested every single day and hadn't come to my house and actually had to miss a day of work. Where are you. I'm in Albuquerque. I was supposed to go home and see the kids, and and I had to stay here through the weekend just to try to get better. I gotta go to work at four today. Oh how long are you? How long are you in on this? I mean it feels like they shot The Revenant in less time than you're shooting this. I'm almost done. I got two weeks. Two weeks and you're done. Yep, that's it. And do they have an ability to call you back and say, hey, we need this one scene? Yeah, But I mean there's contractual stuff. I mean there's a certain amount of time, you know. I mean I've I've got other plans that are hard to break or I can't break. Then they'd have to work around it somehow. Yeah, that one they call that a work around. Yeah, we'll do a work around it. We'll work around. But that won't happen. When you were in The Revnant, was that? Did that bearsuit get hot at any point? Yeah? Yeah, I did it did I should have been nominated for that. That was a great movie. I should watch that movie again. Actually the music is so perfect and haunting. It's like it's so like melancholy, and yeah, everything is just so vast. And you know what, I've been just because I've been in sick mode. So I've been in fucking TV binge insanity, Like I'm I think I'm losing my mind. This is how much I've been watching TV. But I watched Yellowstone. Have you seen yellow Stone? Yes? I'm up to episode three, season three. Okay, you're where I am. I was when I first started it. I was prodded by my wife and my girls and my sister to continue on. I got into it hot and heavy in the second season, and now I'm having a really tough time getting back into a season three. Really yeah. Season two is good, really good. Season three slower, a little slower, um, But I'm in dude. I just hey son, Hey, grandson. I love like says grandson. Yeh, that's not the way it goes out here, Grandson. I just want to like live that life. Oh that's you. You're you fancy yourself, Casey. Yeah, I wish I was. He's way more like a badass than I am. And my wife's in love with your re old wife's real ex boyfriend. Well, it wasn't an ex boyfriend. They had like a moment on a beach where it's like hand wandered into like her nether region. Oh, you didn't have to go there, nor did he, but he didn't have to. We're talking about the great Rip. I'm like, babe, he's that. He's great. He's great, He's unbelievable. Colehauser and we were watching Uh School Ties the other night, which my wife had never seen, starring Brendan Frasier, and he's in it when they cheat on the test, and I'm like, hey, Michelle, who do you think that is? And he's he's like the little ship disturb her in the class, in the French class or a history class, I think. And she's like, I don't know. I said, your boy rip. No it's not I said, yet it's yeah, he's it's not a lot. Well he's a redhead. I said, yeah, that's cold. Hey, I die my beard, I dye my hair. That ship is died and died beyond. Yeah, for sure, big time. We should get Cole Houser on here. I've been around Cole a little bit at a member guest. Would that be too tough for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's boys in McConaughey. He was, he was. He was at the member guests when I was there with you, Yeah, but we were not we were not partners. Then you were with Travis that that was the first year. Yeah, that's when I really it's really got to know you and I had I had guest envy. I had Travis guest envy because we spent a lot of time together and I was like, Oliver, I wish Oliver was my guest, right, but you were Travis Chamberlain's guest. And I was like, you know, I was with my friend Harry, who I can play with any I could go play with him right now. And that wasn't that exciting. So I came in kind of eddy for this today. Most of the time, I don't I don't really know what. Yeah, I don't know what we're going to talk about most of the time. That's the beauty of us, right, So I was special. Um. But so I talked to my therapist today, which made me very introspective. And I got a video sent to me last Sunday by my sister, and somebody sent her the video that had shot footage of our family, as they were our guests. So these people lived next door to us when I was I was ship, I don't know, and my sister would have been ten, and they came down to spring training. They rolled a video camera on the entire day. And I haven't seen or thought of my life as a thirteen year old since I was. So it was from beginning of day to end of day, and it was how every day of my life was spent. All right, get up in the morning, go to a lank stadium, watch a spring training baseball game, trail around after my dad, watch my dad interview people. I started I started noticing different idiosyncrasies and mannerisms that he had, stuff that I was aware of but not aware of, watching him do the game, watching him. This is all on the video, But the interesting part happens at the end because at the end the video then goes inside our rented condo in St. Petersburg, And now I am transported to the thirteen year old Joe, the ten year old Julie Buck and my dad is fifty nine, then I'm fifty two. Now my mom is forty something. She looks amazing. She's diving around trying to not get video because she doesn't think she looks good, but she looks great. And then my dad puts on this like show for the the kid holding the video camera, and it was like I was brought back to my thirteen year old self, and it was interesting in that The reason why I bring any of this up is I have a lot of the same issues that you have, m and I never thought I did. I always thought I think you at least I look back on my childhood in a way that makes it feel like it was idyllic and there it really was not that ideal. It was great on many levels. But my dad was an older dad. My dad was a divorced guy who met my mom not and was not divorced at the time my mom gets pregnant with me. I come into the world. This is all in my book, so I'm not revealing anything there. But though every day was built on making my dad the most comfortable he could be in At one point he starts joking to the camera, like the woman who's down there says, well, Jack, you know, how do you start your day? He goes, well, I wake up, I jogged five miles. I come back. I laid Carol's clothes out, I lay out or makeup, I cook breakfast for the kids. I lay the kid's clothes out. I make sure they're up and ready to go and take them to school every day. And I'm thinking ship, but he's making it a joke. I'm like, that is exactly how I live. I don't really get up and run five miles. But this was so far away from his like reality where it was like it was like my dad got up. When he got up, he read the paper front to back. He smoked his cigarettes and drank his coffee, took a nap, got dressed, went down to the ballpark at two o'clock for seven o'clock game. Came back. The house was dead quiet, he couldn't make noise. It was just seeing my dad as as a contemporary at that age almost it was mind blowing. And it it makes me realize, you know that while I get compared to my dad, who was in many ways as close to anybody as anybody has ever been with me, there was a lot there that was like, I don't know, it wasn't how I It was very revealing. Well did you see did you talk to your therapist after you saw this video. Obviously sent her the video and she watched, uh, the back end of it. And I did it because I wanted to make sure that I was seeing it correctly. And I showed it to Michelle and she's like, you know what that video proves to me. You are exactly like your dad, and you are nothing like your dad. You're exactly like your dad, and what you do, you're nothing like your dad, and that your day starts making sure the kids are okay, and and his day started with making sure he was okay. And then my mom kind of handled everything else. You're everything that he was being sarcastic about. Yeah, like almost to a t. Actually that person right, and and you're the same way because and so that's why I bring any of this up. And I'm sorry that I rambled, But when I was thinking of you as I was talking to my therapist, I was saying, you know, you tried to break the chain of your dad's dad walking out, your dad walking out. Now you're consumed with making sure you break that chain and you're there in present for your kids, and sometimes that cost you opportunities at work, even because you want to be there. I was not aware of what I lug around, which is I make sure these kids are as perfect as I can make them. And even if I did three games that week or four games that week, I get up with them. I make sure their breakfast is done. I'm engaged with them, and I feel guilty when I leave them, And and it's it's almost debilitating where I don't I don't ever stay in the present. If I'm out like doing something for me, I'm thinking about how bad I am because I'm not there with them. Yeah, and I hate that and and and I think a lot of it is because I grew up on the other end of that, like, hey, you know, remember me or I got you that with Would you have that with your girls too? Totally? Yeah you did? I did. I mean, this is how I am. This is what I became as an adult. Basically, you were doing you're sort of doing what I was doing, but unconsciously, meaning like only now you're having this revelation that wow, maybe I'm doing I was. This is the reason I am this way completely By seeing this video and watching my dad basically laugh at what I tried to do every day, I was like, I watched. I was like, hmm, well you could be that way. It might not be that bad for the kids if you you know, it was a different era though, too. What wasn't Wasn't that like the mad Men era? Isn't that like when that was all going down? Well, that's when he became a father for the first time, and this was the sixth Yeah, so I was born in sixte so by, but he he was a father of six prior to me, showing unexpectedly, but it was still his world. You know. It was my mom making sure that everything. You know, she was an actress, she was on Broadway, she was talented and is talented, and chucked all that to be Jack Buck's wife and make sure everything was set so that he, as an older dad, could go be the best in public that he could be. But when he came back, like I had a best friend in high school, Preston Clark, who came to with us to spring training, and that's when Walkmen were coming out and he's walking around their place screaming out the words to rock Sam listening to his Walkman. I'm like, dude, quiet, my dad's resting or might And he didn't even get it. I'm like, you can be loud in your crazy household, but here, Yeah, if my dad's laying on that couch, it's like we're not here and and it's just I don't know, it's it's many pieces of a longer therapy session. But the bottom line is I realized that I'm wired differently, probably because of what I saw as you are wired differently as a dad, because of what you experienced on the same way, just a little different offshoot of it. Yeah, that's crazy. If you're enjoying this episode of daddy Issues, don't keep it to yourself. Please share the love and tell a friend about daddy issues and go subscribe on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We beg stay tuned. You don't want to miss what's coming up right after the break. Would your dad get upset if he like woke him up on the couch being loud, he would just kind of he'd look out of the corner of his eye. Like the only time he never yelled at me. I mean, you know, he disciplined me if I was bad with my sister when they went out to dinner or something. But as far as around him. I really watched my ass and I didn't. I wasn't a little, you know, jerky kid. I I had to sit there and be quiet. If I wanted to watch him do what we're doing now, do an interview. I just sit over in the corner and be quiet. And and so he all he would do would just kind of opened his eyes glare at me, and I was like, oh ship, and then I shut up. It wasn't like I was. I'd never tested his his boundaries were set. I wasn't like the kid poking at him, like come on to what he's sleeping when he's see you know, knocking him around or whatever. I just I didn't do that. So and it was the same look I would get when we were in the booth together and I'm doing a game at twenty one years old, and I'm like, if I got on the umpire, like, ah, that pitch, where was that? That looked like a strike. And he'd look at me out of the corner of his eye, like, reel it back in there, buck, And then I would, and then I'd reel it back in. So it just it was very revealing. I almost want to send you just just to watch the last eight minutes of my dad, like, and he was so funny. I mean, he was the light. But everybody's eyes were always on him when we were in any group setting. Like I'm sure in your life as a kid, everybody's eye is in the room, We're on your mom. And I'm sure that drove your dad crazy too. Is your dad was talented, you know, a successful performer, and yet I don't ship it's Goldie Han walking in the room and there's you, there's Kate, there's your dad. That everybody's like, everybody's looking at your mom. That's hard. It's hard to live in the shadow of I think, oh god, that was I think that was a huge issue with them, you know what I mean. I think that was big. Mom was a movie star, you know, and it was not an easy pill to swallow. It was not an easy thing to feel, you know, about you as a kid. Uh yeah, I mean I I had an issue with it. I mean just because there was so many people wanting a piece of her when I needed her the most, I guess um. And it always bugged me, you know, fans or when the people would come up to her when we were eating dinner and ship. It would make me crazy. I just remember this like feeling of anger, you know what I mean, almost unwarranted. I mean not un warranted, but just irrational at times. Even people who are nice, you know, but just coming up at dinner or wanting this or wanting that, and I'm just being like, fuck. I remember as a young kid just feeling just this anger. You know, it was not It was not a happy thing. How are you now as an adult who's recognizable. Yeah, so it comes up to are you appreciative or does it bother you if you're out at dinner with Aaron and the kids and somebody goes, oh my god, I love you. No, I love it. And I love when people talk about my mom too. I mean I get a lot of people to say like, oh my god, I love your mom and she's this and she's that, and you know, I've prid a lot of pride in that. Now I do too, But there's another I do too for your mom. I don't mind people coming up to me ever, you know, I've I don't have a few instances where I've gotten upset. You know. One was at a golf tournament and it was like one of the benefit parts of it, or that at night when everything the dinner and the concert or whatever in on and this dude was just drunk, just drunk, and he's like, hey, man, like that. I was getting ahead to love this and I was like hey, thanks brother, No no no, no, and then he was like just kept on me and on me, and finally I'm like, hey, but look, I'm gonna go, like I can't. I got it, I gotta go, and he grabbed my arm and I fucking went nuts. I lost it. I just got I grabbed him by his like shirt and got right up in his face like like Kurt, you know, I become Kurt when I get angry, like I feel like I become him, you know. And I just got right into his grill and don't you ever fucking touch me? And I just went off on him, so that that was like one of the only times that happens to me. In bars and people here, they'll be drunk and they come up there like, hey, how about you know, would tell me about the cowboys, Like, oh my god, do you know how much I don't want to talk about this right now? I'm with Michelle and another couple, or I'm with my kids, and the guy just won't and it's like, yeah, you know they're playing great, you know, yeah, yeah they you know they got a big one this weekend. It's like that's the cue to Hey, we're done. Where I got it? I acknowledge you, Yeah, we're done. And then when it comes back around, hey, so tell me about what it was like with I'm like and I'll answer two or three, and then it's just like, Hey, that's it, that's all I got. You're gonna have to go, And I'm so bad. If I grabbed him, I'd be feeling like I'd be sued, but I I just want to go, Hey, just get the funk out of my face. Just I don't owe you this right now. I Well, I think sometimes people don't understand the boundaries. It's like they see you on TV and they hear your voice, and so they know you. They think they know you, and and there's this sort of unconscious thing that allows them in their own own minds to come up to you because like, oh, he's a household guy, like I know him, like I can talk to him. You know. That's sort of I think what happens, well, that it happened the last time I can think of some guy came up to me and who's doing that very thing. And he's he's like, who's let me take a picture with you. I just told my friend that I was you were here at this bar and I'm with Michelle and said the couple. I'm like, I really don't want to take a picture inside the bar. And the guy's you know, this is in the height of COVID too. I'm like, I just don't even want to be I don't breathe on me, like I don't know what you got. And he's like, oh, I just told my friend you were here. And he shows me his phone and I can see his friends like you fucking hate that guy. That That was the that was the that was the text, him telling me, I said, I saw what you said to your friends. I said, we're good, and he goes, no, man, no, let's take a picture. I said, we're good. I'm not taking a picture. I just told you we're not taking a picture. Well, come on, man, we need some kind of asshole. I'm like, I'm the asshole. Yeah, okay, I'm the asshole. Fine, I'll be the asshole, but we're not taking a picture. And just shut up. Yeah, and I you know, to on some level, I'm sure people like, oh, poor babies, but but uh, there there has to be some sort of personal space that of course. Yeah, I mean, I'm not there is a fucking pinata like you're saying with the poor baby thing, meaning like, oh, you make millions of dollars in your famous like deal with it, which you know, I get that, right. We put ourselves out there, you especially, and you know, you're in a very sort of volatile job where people are rabid fans of their teams and they're irrational, and it's like, oh, we'll just deal with it. You know that, you know the price that you have to pay, But it doesn't mean that it's a fucking free for all goes out of the window, right, you know, exactly exactly so. But at the same time, you wouldn't trade it, you know, you wouldn't trade it. Yeah, no, I accept it. But they're just times and I feel like, you know, I was the same way my dad would. So my dad would people come up to us at dinner and be like, where are you from? Sit down. I knew a guy named Ken Clark there, you know, Ken Clark, Like Jesus christ you've been gone for two weeks and we just like get one dinner with you. And you know why we had to come to this Italian restaurant. I'm not so sure we we have a kitchen, but okay, we're here and now loved it. He loved loved it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was it was kind of absurd, but it's it's funny to me. And I was thinking about this again today, like the detail with which my sister can remember all that stuff and how she felt and her worries about our mom and dad and whatever. It's like, either I need an m r I or I've repressed or blocked out some of these things because she will remind me of details, and I'm I'm just wondering about like, do you remember these crazy details about interactions and times when you were ten eleven years Yeah, it's it's a great question. And um, I've of course thought about it. But I remember the sort of the traumatic stuff, you know what I mean, that's the stuff that sort of sticks in my brain. Um, there's the traumatic and then there's also like the sensational. It's it's the big moments that I remember, both good and bad, you know, I remember feeling lonely, I remember being in the dark. But I also remember, you know, being on my dad's boat, and and you know, being at Catalina and halibut fishing. I remember, you know, at nine years old, sort of walking down ravine with Kurt with a twenty two rifle and and feeling that fear and exhilaration, you know. So I remember all the big impactful things. The mundane, I do not. I have no recollection of the mundane, you know, Okay. I talked about this with Michelle all the time, because she's three years older than her brother, and with regard to her parents divorce, she felt like the protector of her little brother, and so she took on a lot of that stuff, and I think has repressed a lot of the really tough times and memories. And her brother remembers everything, but he remembers the good, and she remembers really only the bad when her parents because she was trying to protect Andy and keep him covered. And you're older than Kate, like, did you feel that you were protecting her? Were you or were you not even in that role at all? No, not at all. I think that I was too far gone myself I was in self protection mode unconsciously that I didn't even have. I was worrying too much about my own preservation. I couldn't give anything to her, you know, And I think that's why the beginning of our relationship was no good. She needed love for me, she wanted love for me. I was the only thing constant, really, you know what I mean. And uh, I just wasn't there. I wasn't I didn't have the capacity. I couldn't do it. So I was just all about me. Really, yeah, So I did not protect her, no way, not even close, you know. And then and then as we got all older, she's she's tough man, Kate. Kate can handle herself. She's definitely fragile in spots. There's no doubt about that. And I'm there for her always, and I've been there with her and for her for some really you know, gnarly moments. Then I've been I've been her big brother. But on the day to day, you know, it's like dudes and dating. I was never protective, and you know, she was always so tough and strong, like she could do it on her own, you know. At least that's what I at least that's what I perceived. Yeah, she puts on she puts up that front for sure. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back after this short break with more daddy issues. You know what, I realized something too, um a while back. Maybe it was during Hoffman now, maybe it was after. I don't know, but you know, you go through your life or I go through my life having a dad who wasn't there. For the most part. There was great years though, up until I was about twelve years old, um, and then everything else was sort of what I didn't get, not what he not him being mean, not him yelling and screaming and being abusive in any way. It was just his absence and then the things that I heard, you know, from mom, and also maybe that was on the news or on inside edition or whatever. But when I really think back on the memories of my father, it's hard. I'm hard pressed to find one that's bad because every time I was with him was fucking awesome, and he was extremely attentive. He would not have us and then just retreat to his office or something. I would play football with him on the beach, We would you know, go fishing. It was active. He was truly in my life, and I remember him. My memories of him is all positive, really fun loving things, going to Pomp Debt Pomp Springs at the time, and playing golf and riding on golf carts and you know what I mean. And it was it was really an interesting revelation for me because it was always this, oh it's bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, abandon abandoned, never there. But then it's like, Okay, let me think about my memories, and there's not one that's fucking bad that he was gone at one point. Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but that's what that's what I mean. When he was there. Yeah, dude, Well we were there with him. He was he was he was bang on, you know, we were we were doing all kinds of activities and things and Disneyland and having fun swimming in the pool as pool. I I have vivid memories of his pool, you know. So it was it was powerful or powerfully positive memories of my dad. Not a lot of negative memories, just the abs since you know, man, maybe I had a better childhood than I did now that I think about it. Uh no, uh, maybe they're incomparable. You can't compare. Just it is what it is. It was what it was, and I and I think it it. It presents you then to the world as this collection of experiences, both positive and negative, that come out when you become an adult yourself, and it's like, well, how are you gonna do it? Are you gonna? And I think that was hard on my first wife, you know, because I got into my first marriage thinking, Okay, I'm I'm in this to be adored, I'm in this to be for the king treatment, because I'm bringing home the bacon, so to speak. And that's what I saw as a kid. And now we're gonna have kids, and that's wait, I'm gonna have to We're I'm changing diapers. This is fifty fifty here, this is And I'm thankful that it was that way. I as I look back, I wouldn't have wanted it to be any other way with regard to how I interacted with my kids. But I think I went in thinking my own experience was it was all my mom and her mom and my dad was there for the moments, but not down and dirty, you know, like we weren't fishing, we didn't go shooting, we didn't we didn't you know. He didn't teach me how to swim. He didn't. If I played catch, I was definitely afraid of overthrowing him, so he had to go fucking chase the ball down on the beach. And there's just so many things that I'm like, you know, I think we were really close. But I was also a little nervous to make a mistake around him, not because I was gonna get hit, but because I was going to disappoint or he would just wouldn't me around anymore. So I I just was. I tried to be so interesting. That's so interesting. It's almost like you had such little time with him that you wanted to make sure it was not interrupted by anything negatives, throwing a ball over his head even though he wasn't even though he might not have been mad or he doesn't hasn't given you examples of being mad when you do something wrong. But it's almost like I have so little time with this man that I want to make everything good. I want to make a perfect I mean, and he was he had me at forty, he was forty five. So by the time I'm ten, he's fifty five. By the time I'm fifteen, e sixty, it's almost like my boys. So but but it was and he was traveling two weeks at a time, and there was no internet, and there was no face time, and there was no The only time he called was from the broadcast smooth because it was a free phone line. And if I was home, I was home and I talked to him. And if I wasn't and I was out playing or whatever I was doing, I didn't talk to him. So it's like, am I gonna waste the time that he's here by something simple? Is throwing the ball over his head and ruining those three minutes because I've got him fifteen? Or am I gonna Am I gonna be you know, the kid that got caught being out too late or busted with alcohol and now I'm grounded and I don't get to go down to the park with my dad, go down to the baseball game with my dad. I'm not gonna ruin that. It's too too precious. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. That's crazy, and it's also for me. It's also it's just recognizing the good things. Because we talked about earlier with your revelation and therapy and this video of how you know you might have unconsciously been being exactly what your father's not on purpose, unconsciously on purpose, you know, being boom. And I was that way too. But at the same time, now I got to think about it because there's also so many great things about that man. You know, there are things that I would want to emulate as well. And that's when he was with us, because he was extremely attentive. I mean, sometimes I feel like I'm selfish and don't do enough with my kids and don't take them out and play with them enough because I can just want to sit in my room or just be selfish. And now I'm gonna do what I want to do, you know. So there are things to actually look at and take to emulate and not just rail against all the time. And that's the one great thing about my mom, not one fucking many, but she's just so evolved and was evolved and is evolved and just an incredible human being. And she pulled me aside when I was sixteen years old and and um actually she wrote me a letter and I just read it recently. She she talked to me and then wrote me a letter and She's like basically saying, your dad is all of these things, and we've we've seen that he is who he is, and it's always seems to be negative. But I want to write you a letter and talk to you about all of the amazing things that your dad is and why I fell in love with him, and how much of part of you are of him, and and all the incredible things. You know, she made me aware of that. It made me understand that it wasn't all bad, you know, which I think is important in divorce. You know, it's an absolutely important thing. Yeah. I think most of the time is typically spent tearing down the parent that's not there. Yeah. Uh hey, Juggernaut with Josh. Juggernaut with Josh. All right, what's up, Josh? When was the last time you made love? The same answer as last time? Yeah, which is it's been a been a minute, all right. I thought my juggernaut with Josh was do you believe in heaven or Hell? I'm just gonna ask the same question every time. Chugging out with Job. I think you need this. This should put an impetus behind your nighttime activity to make sure that your answer can be different next time we convene on this Zoom call. We need Margot to find a boyfriend. I really listen to that. I haven't been dating with anybody in four years. And and now we've got Josh who's having medication issues. And between the between the two of you, guys, like our entire production team is celibate pretty much. Hey, I am not. I never said I was celibate. I said I'm not going on actual dates, Thank you very much. Do you talk about you talk about Pandora's Box with Oliver on this zoom call and you just throw that out there, Margot, You're smarter than that. I won't dig. I won't dig. So wait, Josh, how do you know that you're having ejaculatory issues? I gotta go raise my kids now. I don't care about josh Is ejaculatory issues. I care more about his bird than his bird. I'm just saying, you know, it's just you can't get there. Is this what we're talking about? Right? Yes, even when even manually even self inflicted, that's what I mean. It's like it's impossible. I mean, it's not impossible, but it's just it's like, you know, what I think would take the pressure off Josh is if you just had, uh, do you have like a little speaker Bluetooth like a Bluetooth speaker, just play the Jeopardy theme song while you're having sex. I think that'll just alleviate all issues. If you ever tried a number, Josh this back, Oh full circle, Josh, call it one number there because I'm gonna start. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think does exist anymore. I mean maybe Josh, this is your homework for the next episode next week. It's call one number and let us know if you get there, all right, I well if like, yeah, I'll have to look it up. But here's the thing. I mean, I think in this day and age of the Internet, these nine numbers have to be at such discounted rates. I mean they basically they're basically paying you to call them. Right, It's like, there's there's three operators still in business. What if we did a Daddy issues promotion where you we we created one number and you and I are the operators on the other end. I think nothing bad could come of that. I fully support this idea. I like this idea. Yeah, of course you do. You've got nothing to lose. Yeah, Yeah, that's that'd be great. Josh is on the interweb right now looking up nine hundred numbers. Look at him. I don't. I don't know. I still don't have a good answer though they can't. You're gonna need to make sure you tell Vanessa why you're looking up nine hundred numbers on your computer. Well, I think their website they gotta be like if you watch late night TV, local TV, they still have those ads, but they're not ago. They're not promoting a nine hundred number. They're promoting like we website webcam or that's replaced it. It's like you pay instead of a minute for talking to some sort of weirdo on the other end of the line with six guys on the phone as well. Now you can do cam. It's like a cam situation where it's like you pay whatever a minute and you're actually watching a girl, but there's no camera on you. Like you don't have to do a makeover or anything. What what should I wear? Like a like a tuxedo, something like James Bond. No, you're not on the you're not on camera. That would be horrible. That would be horrible. I don't think. I don't think those numbers exist anymore. I'm looking see. Yeah, well, guys, we could start we can make our own we can bring it back. I don't think that's I don't think that's going to really do much for any Do you think if I started like a cam I was like the cam guy or doing a cam service, that I could make good money? I do. I don't. I don't think. I don't think your target audience unless you just sat there all day. Oh and by the way, my friend Lee, who we interviewed on the podcast one time and lives in the Middle East, sent you an email. Oh he did, yeah, which you don't even aren't aware of, to this stupid email thing that guy I was, I've been last night and all you sent back we're like emojis. Yeah, because there's six hundred thousand of them. I can't like that. Just that just that just means you know that that's like a bullshit, uh you know, laugh face laugh face, laugh face. Heart no, hearth heart, it's just heard heartart, heart heart heart heart heartart. That means I acted like I read it. I have no idea what what this is. Actually it was actually uh what we could do with Juggernaut, with Josh or whatever you call Oh, yes, that was Lee from remember that one. Yeah, Juggernaut josh um alright, alright, bye bye. Listen to Daddy Issues on the I Heart Radio app, on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Daddy Issues is a production of Cavalry Audio and i Heeart Media, produced by Margot Carmichael, sound engineering and editing by Josh Wendish. Executive produced by Joe Bach, Oliver Hudson, Dana Brunetti, and Keegan Rosenberger.