On today's episode of Tickets to the Draft, we have Connor Rogers, NBC Draft analysts. Man, he's so good at his job, and we get in a spirited conversation about tight ends and defensive backs and preview Day two of the combine, and then me and just the guy, Jason, we give you all the details, who ran fast, who ran slow, who made themselves money to day.

On today's episode of Tickets to the Draft, we have Connor Rogers, NBC Draft analysts. Man, he's so good at his job, and we get in a spirited conversation about tight ends and defensive backs and preview Day two of the combine, and then me and just the guy, Jason, we give you all the details, who ran fast, who ran slow, who made themselves money to day.

It all starts right now, And welcome to the Ticket of the Draft podcast.

It all starts right now, And welcome to the Ticket of the Draft podcast.

I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic Guy, Jason and Jason. Today we have a very special event.

I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic Guy, Jason and Jason. Today we have a very special event.

Yeah, we have Connor Rodgers from NBC Sports and PFFS NFL Stock Exchange.

Yeah, we have Connor Rodgers from NBC Sports and PFFS NFL Stock Exchange.

And he is such a special guest to have because he is so locked in with the draft content. He gets to do interviews with a lot of the prospects here on Radio Row on the other side of that curtain over there where everybody's hanging out, and he does a great job, and so it gives a really awesome insight into the players. And I think one of the things that I enjoyed about having him on was it's a very high level view. Yeah, there's also enough specificity for the commandager you say, man like, he is so good.

And he is such a special guest to have because he is so locked in with the draft content. He gets to do interviews with a lot of the prospects here on Radio Row on the other side of that curtain over there where everybody's hanging out, and he does a great job, and so it gives a really awesome insight into the players. And I think one of the things that I enjoyed about having him on was it's a very high level view. Yeah, there's also enough specificity for the commandager you say, man like, he is so good.

At what he does. He's so good at his job.

At what he does. He's so good at his job.

So we're able to talk DB's kind of give a little preview, not necessarily of what they do today on the field, but just of the class in general, and also of tight end, which I thought was pretty cool.

So we're able to talk DB's kind of give a little preview, not necessarily of what they do today on the field, but just of the class in general, and also of tight end, which I thought was pretty cool.

Oh yeah, the tight end conversation is great because you love tight ends and he's locked in. So the two of you guys had like I would say, a spirited conversation about tight ends. Like not much, not like disagreement, but you guys were like both. It was like a good tag team in the WWE.

Oh yeah, the tight end conversation is great because you love tight ends and he's locked in. So the two of you guys had like I would say, a spirited conversation about tight ends. Like not much, not like disagreement, but you guys were like both. It was like a good tag team in the WWE.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean he's and again I'm gonna say this again, he is a beast.

I mean he's and again I'm gonna say this again, he is a beast.

Yeah.

Yeah.

His ability to have recall, he's met He's met Tyler Warren, he's met Colston Loveland, He's met these guys that are going to be first round draft picks, and so to have that relationship and understand who they are kind of in a way that we can't because we've never met them, it was pretty special.

His ability to have recall, he's met He's met Tyler Warren, he's met Colston Loveland, He's met these guys that are going to be first round draft picks, and so to have that relationship and understand who they are kind of in a way that we can't because we've never met them, it was pretty special.

Yeah, So the two of you are going to have like a little preview of what tonight's combine was, and then after the Rogers we're going to get back together after the combined ends, and we're going to talk about, hey, were you guys right, and get up a little breakdown what actually happened to combine, like how we do in every episode.

Yeah, So the two of you are going to have like a little preview of what tonight's combine was, and then after the Rogers we're going to get back together after the combined ends, and we're going to talk about, hey, were you guys right, and get up a little breakdown what actually happened to combine, like how we do in every episode.

So here's Connor Rogers.

So here's Connor Rogers.

Okay, so with us, here is Connor Rogers, NBC Sports Draft analysts. Also you can hear them with Trevor sick them out on the PFF NFL Stock Exchange. We're super excited to have you here. Really smart guy. Every time you you came on last year, learned a lot from you. I listened to your pod all the time. With Trevor, I learn a lot. It's fantastic. And actually Logan and I were talking the other day. We also do the or at least I do. Volume on TV needs to be an even numbers or fives, like that's it. It's gotta be that.

Okay, so with us, here is Connor Rogers, NBC Sports Draft analysts. Also you can hear them with Trevor sick them out on the PFF NFL Stock Exchange. We're super excited to have you here. Really smart guy. Every time you you came on last year, learned a lot from you. I listened to your pod all the time. With Trevor, I learn a lot. It's fantastic. And actually Logan and I were talking the other day. We also do the or at least I do. Volume on TV needs to be an even numbers or fives, like that's it. It's gotta be that.

Yeah, and my wife thinks I'm crazy.

Yeah, and my wife thinks I'm crazy.

I think you're crazy too, though it's always one person in the relationship that's like that psychopath that like starts trembling if it's on an odd number.

I think you're crazy too, though it's always one person in the relationship that's like that psychopath that like starts trembling if it's on an odd number.

One of the things that being OCD is really good.

One of the things that being OCD is really good.

One of the things I did when buying a new TV recently was that TV's now don't have numbers. It's just a bar. And I'm like, this is beautiful because.

One of the things I did when buying a new TV recently was that TV's now don't have numbers. It's just a bar. And I'm like, this is beautiful because.

Who made that? Somebody?

Who made that? Somebody?

Yeah, all right, So I'm just gonna let you guys go. So because cornerbacks and tight ends are going, today's kind of like a little preview, a little imoge booch where our feels. So one of the things Logan and I talk about all the time is that cornerback is for us hard to evaluate. So I wanted you to guys to get into, like what are the pain points and evaluation of turnback? And then how do you like make up for that or what are things and tips and tricks that we can look.

Yeah, all right, So I'm just gonna let you guys go. So because cornerbacks and tight ends are going, today's kind of like a little preview, a little imoge booch where our feels. So one of the things Logan and I talk about all the time is that cornerback is for us hard to evaluate. So I wanted you to guys to get into, like what are the pain points and evaluation of turnback? And then how do you like make up for that or what are things and tips and tricks that we can look.

For, right?

For, right?

Yeah, I mean obviously at its most basic to me, like it's really nice if you have length, size and you can open up and run. That's like the most basic pinpoints. Because guess what everybody in the NFL is bigger, as Logan is aware of, and faster. The thing I've been diving into more over the last couple of years though, and this helps with pff is I really like to dive into a guy? How much did a guy play man coverage single man coverage? And how did he look doing it because, like listen, there's nothing against own coverage, and obviously that's a big part of the NFL. But if you can play in single man coverage against a college receiver, against some of the better college receivers, or if you have experience doing that, the translation to me like the it's a higher hit rate at the NFL level.

Yeah, I mean obviously at its most basic to me, like it's really nice if you have length, size and you can open up and run. That's like the most basic pinpoints. Because guess what everybody in the NFL is bigger, as Logan is aware of, and faster. The thing I've been diving into more over the last couple of years though, and this helps with pff is I really like to dive into a guy? How much did a guy play man coverage single man coverage? And how did he look doing it because, like listen, there's nothing against own coverage, and obviously that's a big part of the NFL. But if you can play in single man coverage against a college receiver, against some of the better college receivers, or if you have experience doing that, the translation to me like the it's a higher hit rate at the NFL level.

Like azari A. Thomas in this classrom Florida State.

Like azari A. Thomas in this classrom Florida State.

He's twenty, right, and the program wasn't good this year, but he played over three hundred snaps in man coverage over the last two years. Like, that's a lot of experience for a guy arms down to the ground, he's gonna fly. So you just try to get points where you feel a little more confident about the guy's transition, you're doing less guessing.

He's twenty, right, and the program wasn't good this year, but he played over three hundred snaps in man coverage over the last two years. Like, that's a lot of experience for a guy arms down to the ground, he's gonna fly. So you just try to get points where you feel a little more confident about the guy's transition, you're doing less guessing.

Yeah, I think it's I think that's a great point because it really comes down to, like, in my opinion, like the movement skills, and you don't get the movement skills and zone coverage. Obviously there's an instinct element there that you really like to watch. But I mean that's one of the reasons you do want to one at the senior ball right, right, You want to see one on ones like in the film, right, like because you get to see how a guy moves, his physicality, how he tracks the ball when the ball's in the air, right in those kind of contested situations. So I love that and it's great at PFF you can probably sort that.

Yeah, I think it's I think that's a great point because it really comes down to, like, in my opinion, like the movement skills, and you don't get the movement skills and zone coverage. Obviously there's an instinct element there that you really like to watch. But I mean that's one of the reasons you do want to one at the senior ball right, right, You want to see one on ones like in the film, right, like because you get to see how a guy moves, his physicality, how he tracks the ball when the ball's in the air, right in those kind of contested situations. So I love that and it's great at PFF you can probably sort that.

You can.

You can.

Yeah, So when I really tap into a guy, it's the first thing I do, because you'll hear a lot of hype about a guy and it's like, Okay, I don't need to see him playing off and sitting in. It's great, Like instincts and eyes and anticipation, all those things matter.

Yeah, So when I really tap into a guy, it's the first thing I do, because you'll hear a lot of hype about a guy and it's like, Okay, I don't need to see him playing off and sitting in. It's great, Like instincts and eyes and anticipation, all those things matter.

You don't not watch it.

You don't not watch it.

But man, you're right, like how a guy moves and how he matches movements and if he can open up his hips and all those things, like that's number one for me at the top.

But man, you're right, like how a guy moves and how he matches movements and if he can open up his hips and all those things, like that's number one for me at the top.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think the other thing too that I think gets overlooked with corners so much is their ability to tackle. Everyone gets so infatuated with their movement skill, which is important, Like this is an important part of the evaluation. We want athletes who want tall, long guys like you're talking about. But to me, if they don't tackle and if they're not physical like in the NFL, now, like they're the run defense, the going after them.

And I think the other thing too that I think gets overlooked with corners so much is their ability to tackle. Everyone gets so infatuated with their movement skill, which is important, Like this is an important part of the evaluation. We want athletes who want tall, long guys like you're talking about. But to me, if they don't tackle and if they're not physical like in the NFL, now, like they're the run defense, the going after them.

Which is great.

Which is great.

Like I think it's awesome, and I'll tell you right now, in this class, it's a question with a lot of these guys. And I like these corners. I like this size and speed and the movement skills. But you can start at the top, like and Travis Hunter said it here. Okay, I'm not breaking news. Like tackling it needs to improve a little bit. Will Johnson's a bigger guy. I don't think that's a problem in his game. But even you go down the list like Azari.

Like I think it's awesome, and I'll tell you right now, in this class, it's a question with a lot of these guys. And I like these corners. I like this size and speed and the movement skills. But you can start at the top, like and Travis Hunter said it here. Okay, I'm not breaking news. Like tackling it needs to improve a little bit. Will Johnson's a bigger guy. I don't think that's a problem in his game. But even you go down the list like Azari.

But I started to interrupt you, But even though he's a bigger guy, they all have question marks. Like everyone's wondering how he's gonna run. That's number one. Everyone's got a bunch of injury. You know, like that you're on the list, You're like, you know, Morrison's banged up, the kid from Carolina wherever East Carolina's banged up.

But I started to interrupt you, But even though he's a bigger guy, they all have question marks. Like everyone's wondering how he's gonna run. That's number one. Everyone's got a bunch of injury. You know, like that you're on the list, You're like, you know, Morrison's banged up, the kid from Carolina wherever East Carolina's banged up.

You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, they're coming off injuries, and so they've got all of the kind of boxes chests, all of them. But they all heard he's like huge question marks, which is a little, uh, a little unnerving.

Yeah, they're coming off injuries, and so they've got all of the kind of boxes chests, all of them. But they all heard he's like huge question marks, which is a little, uh, a little unnerving.

Yeah, it is. There's no, there's no layup.

Yeah, it is. There's no, there's no layup.

I would say, like, there's no layup, like Travis is the closest to me. But I mean, once again, we don't even know what he's going to do full time at the next level.

I would say, like, there's no layup, like Travis is the closest to me. But I mean, once again, we don't even know what he's going to do full time at the next level.

I know he thinks he's going.

I know he thinks he's going.

To do both. We'll see. Uh.

To do both. We'll see. Uh.

That's another thing I wanted to ask you because, like, I think he's a really good example of of this other thing that I wanted to bring up with you. So obviously we mentioned tackling. I think he's relatively physical. I think he moves well all those things you're talking about, But I do think there is a lack of, like eleage technical proficiency, which I've been burned on in the past with corners where I've seen a.

That's another thing I wanted to ask you because, like, I think he's a really good example of of this other thing that I wanted to bring up with you. So obviously we mentioned tackling. I think he's relatively physical. I think he moves well all those things you're talking about, But I do think there is a lack of, like eleage technical proficiency, which I've been burned on in the past with corners where I've seen a.

Guy who's the athlete.

Guy who's the athlete.

He's physical, he's like this wild horse you can tell you loves ball, but they don't have the like the footwork, the timing down, and people I think underrate the importance of that. Travis Hunter again is a fun watch. He's a freak. But that's something I keep coming back to. It's like, how detrimental is that? And can he learn to get that done?

He's physical, he's like this wild horse you can tell you loves ball, but they don't have the like the footwork, the timing down, and people I think underrate the importance of that. Travis Hunter again is a fun watch. He's a freak. But that's something I keep coming back to. It's like, how detrimental is that? And can he learn to get that done?

The thing that gives me hope is I watched him over summer because Trevor and I ranked these guys over summer and I had him as the eighth best corner going in the season, and people are like, oh, you know, and I thought he was a better receiver or polished because he just there was no technique. He was like, I'm out there and I'm gonna run with you for days. And now he's made really big strides. But you turn on the tip against the BYU this year, like he's grabbing guys like he's he's falling out of the pays and like, so I think it's a big issue with all of them.

The thing that gives me hope is I watched him over summer because Trevor and I ranked these guys over summer and I had him as the eighth best corner going in the season, and people are like, oh, you know, and I thought he was a better receiver or polished because he just there was no technique. He was like, I'm out there and I'm gonna run with you for days. And now he's made really big strides. But you turn on the tip against the BYU this year, like he's grabbing guys like he's he's falling out of the pays and like, so I think it's a big issue with all of them.

Really.

Really.

There's a lot of leit athletes revel You brought up the guy from ECU, that's like number one thing with him, but he's he's twenty four, twenty three years old. So it's like that's like we got to kind of see that, you know what I mean, elite athlete coming off in ACL injury. But when is the technique going to come into play where it's a little bit more cris It's a huge learning curve too, man, It's huge.

There's a lot of leit athletes revel You brought up the guy from ECU, that's like number one thing with him, but he's he's twenty four, twenty three years old. So it's like that's like we got to kind of see that, you know what I mean, elite athlete coming off in ACL injury. But when is the technique going to come into play where it's a little bit more cris It's a huge learning curve too, man, It's huge.

Yeah, And I think that's again so interesting. And the other thing that I find really hard with corners is like and every element of the college game there's differences to the NFL game, but I feel like a corner specifically, and it's one of the reasons, in my opinion, you don't see a lot of corners drafted super high because there's a huge it's to me, it feels like a bigger jump to the NFL level with quarterback play, And again, like, how do you negotiate that with your evaluation?

Yeah, And I think that's again so interesting. And the other thing that I find really hard with corners is like and every element of the college game there's differences to the NFL game, but I feel like a corner specifically, and it's one of the reasons, in my opinion, you don't see a lot of corners drafted super high because there's a huge it's to me, it feels like a bigger jump to the NFL level with quarterback play, And again, like, how do you negotiate that with your evaluation?

Right?

Right?

It's difficult because you think of recent years like Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingling went really really early, and that even surprised me that as like got the top twelve, top ten. I like them a lot, but you got to if you're an elite athlete with length, size and you're smart, like you got to talk to these guys and you brought it up logan and tackling as well, Like then you're the complete package. But I just guys like that don't come through very often. I can't name one in this class right now.

It's difficult because you think of recent years like Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingling went really really early, and that even surprised me that as like got the top twelve, top ten. I like them a lot, but you got to if you're an elite athlete with length, size and you're smart, like you got to talk to these guys and you brought it up logan and tackling as well, Like then you're the complete package. But I just guys like that don't come through very often. I can't name one in this class right now.

Yeah, but even I think Sauce Garter is a great example. Like I've had a lot of concerns about how ski agnostic he was going to be, like because he is this tall, long guy who's pretty good in man coverage, Like, how's he going to be in a more zone heavy system. Man, you saw him kind of his his production waned a little bit this last you know what I mean. And again, like the corner is so scheme and skill set dependence seemingly that it's so hard to translate what they're going to be at the next level.

Yeah, but even I think Sauce Garter is a great example. Like I've had a lot of concerns about how ski agnostic he was going to be, like because he is this tall, long guy who's pretty good in man coverage, Like, how's he going to be in a more zone heavy system. Man, you saw him kind of his his production waned a little bit this last you know what I mean. And again, like the corner is so scheme and skill set dependence seemingly that it's so hard to translate what they're going to be at the next level.

We started breaking it down, like our final rankings. It's not just here's my top ten corners. It's like, here's the guys I think are gonna play the slot, which I think is.

We started breaking it down, like our final rankings. It's not just here's my top ten corners. It's like, here's the guys I think are gonna play the slot, which I think is.

A great It's great by you guys, it's awesome.

A great It's great by you guys, it's awesome.

It's just more nuanced with the fans that are like, Okay, we took a cornerback, but cornerback is about four different positions right now. Are you his own corner like you said, are you a man corner? Can you do bolt which is really hard? Are you a slot guy or are you an outside guy? Like there's so many different roles, especially with how they're using tight ends at the NFL level right now, where not every slot receiver is five point seven out there anymore.

It's just more nuanced with the fans that are like, Okay, we took a cornerback, but cornerback is about four different positions right now. Are you his own corner like you said, are you a man corner? Can you do bolt which is really hard? Are you a slot guy or are you an outside guy? Like there's so many different roles, especially with how they're using tight ends at the NFL level right now, where not every slot receiver is five point seven out there anymore.

Yeah, And I think and this to kind of piggyback off of that.

Yeah, And I think and this to kind of piggyback off of that.

Like we just talked about some of the difficulties evaluating these outside positions and then you're throwing the nickel in there, and how they like they're a genuine run fit player and so like they not only if they have it, they draw a really tough coverage matchup because you're getting that guy in the slot that can go inside, outside.

Like we just talked about some of the difficulties evaluating these outside positions and then you're throwing the nickel in there, and how they like they're a genuine run fit player and so like they not only if they have it, they draw a really tough coverage matchup because you're getting that guy in the slot that can go inside, outside.

Take you vertical, but you also got to take on a guard.

Take you vertical, but you also got to take on a guard.

You gotta fit a run and so right just seems almost see, I don't even know where you would start with something like that.

You gotta fit a run and so right just seems almost see, I don't even know where you would start with something like that.

It's it's tough.

It's it's tough.

Like Cooper Degene last year loved what he could do because it felt like he can play the slot for you was this bigger nickel, but he can come downhill and tackle that was and he's a great special teamer. And having his former teammates Sebastian Castro here who's listed with this you know safety, but he played the nickel, he put the slot for them and you talk to him and that's part of the game he loves. He loves coming downhill, being physical, using his instincts. So it's in all shapes and size of this kind of thing, and really the unique ones can do more than one role, so puts a lot of pressure on the coaching staffs to draft right and put these guys in the right position, not just hey, we drafted you and now you've got to do this even though you never did that.

Like Cooper Degene last year loved what he could do because it felt like he can play the slot for you was this bigger nickel, but he can come downhill and tackle that was and he's a great special teamer. And having his former teammates Sebastian Castro here who's listed with this you know safety, but he played the nickel, he put the slot for them and you talk to him and that's part of the game he loves. He loves coming downhill, being physical, using his instincts. So it's in all shapes and size of this kind of thing, and really the unique ones can do more than one role, so puts a lot of pressure on the coaching staffs to draft right and put these guys in the right position, not just hey, we drafted you and now you've got to do this even though you never did that.

What's interstally, you mentioned Cooper Degene because last year I felt like he he'd be perfect for that role because he like he did he played safety, he played a lot outside and he was a You saw the physicality right, the understanding how to take on blocks and fit runs, and you saw that with the Philadelphia Eagles.

What's interstally, you mentioned Cooper Degene because last year I felt like he he'd be perfect for that role because he like he did he played safety, he played a lot outside and he was a You saw the physicality right, the understanding how to take on blocks and fit runs, and you saw that with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Yeah, I mean it was it was the perfect match for them, right because they kind of needed a little bit more uh sandpaper in that secondary is how Yeah? Yeah, yeah, like some guys where it's like yeah, And they took Quinnyon too, who will let you know, like when he makes a play against you. So they got two guys there that they love the physical aspects of football. Quinnan'll press you, Cooper will come down and hit you. And I think it totally revamped the DNA of that back end of the defense.

Yeah, I mean it was it was the perfect match for them, right because they kind of needed a little bit more uh sandpaper in that secondary is how Yeah? Yeah, yeah, like some guys where it's like yeah, And they took Quinnyon too, who will let you know, like when he makes a play against you. So they got two guys there that they love the physical aspects of football. Quinnan'll press you, Cooper will come down and hit you. And I think it totally revamped the DNA of that back end of the defense.

So we're gonna talk about tenans here in a second, But do you have a player in this draft because there's a couple of guys, a kid from Georgia, kid from Texas who can play that nickel spot, and you're like, oh, this is a guy that I really like in that position. I hate to put you on the spot, but.

So we're gonna talk about tenans here in a second, But do you have a player in this draft because there's a couple of guys, a kid from Georgia, kid from Texas who can play that nickel spot, and you're like, oh, this is a guy that I really like in that position. I hate to put you on the spot, but.

I no, it's okay. I actually like one to transition there. And it's Jacob Parrish from Kansas State. He's five foot nine, he's smaller. I think he's also twenty sprinting champion in high school, so the speed's a lady.

I no, it's okay. I actually like one to transition there. And it's Jacob Parrish from Kansas State. He's five foot nine, he's smaller. I think he's also twenty sprinting champion in high school, so the speed's a lady.

He played outside at college.

He played outside at college.

I just don't think that'll necessarily be what he'll do at the next level. But he is so sticky man like, he's in the hip pocket with everybody. If he can be an adequate tackler in the slot, then that'll be a really really good spot for him.

I just don't think that'll necessarily be what he'll do at the next level. But he is so sticky man like, he's in the hip pocket with everybody. If he can be an adequate tackler in the slot, then that'll be a really really good spot for him.

I'll tell you right now.

I'll tell you right now.

Johday Baron in Texas, like I know, he played corner this year.

Johday Baron in Texas, like I know, he played corner this year.

He is the one that came to mind for me.

He is the one that came to mind for me.

Yeah, jah Day Barron is the like it's like a Trent McDuffie kind of player. And I know he's brought He's actually brought him up as someone he likes. Baron's the if you want to spend a first round pick on that guy, then you're going to take Baron. But you know, I don't know how many teams always want to spend that first round or on that guy.

Yeah, jah Day Barron is the like it's like a Trent McDuffie kind of player. And I know he's brought He's actually brought him up as someone he likes. Baron's the if you want to spend a first round pick on that guy, then you're going to take Baron. But you know, I don't know how many teams always want to spend that first round or on that guy.

I think that's a great point too, is like the value of a true nickel, Like I think it should be kind of talked about, you know, in a more valuable way because.

I think that's a great point too, is like the value of a true nickel, Like I think it should be kind of talked about, you know, in a more valuable way because.

Everyone space defense. Yeah, absolutely so why not? Right?

Everyone space defense. Yeah, absolutely so why not? Right?

That's the goal is like you're always trying to like tell fans like, hey, this isn't just a throwaway or I look at that with two tight ends on a roster now, like you look are the Lions. I think they ran the second most twelve personnel in football. It's like you gotta have two tight ends. Like you don't just trot out there anymore and say like, oh, we got our one tight end. And like the game has changed a lot and rosters need to be deeper and deeper, and you don't have eighty first round picks, so you better learn how to evaluate people for what you want to do.

That's the goal is like you're always trying to like tell fans like, hey, this isn't just a throwaway or I look at that with two tight ends on a roster now, like you look are the Lions. I think they ran the second most twelve personnel in football. It's like you gotta have two tight ends. Like you don't just trot out there anymore and say like, oh, we got our one tight end. And like the game has changed a lot and rosters need to be deeper and deeper, and you don't have eighty first round picks, so you better learn how to evaluate people for what you want to do.

That's a great point. And then you mentioned tight ends, Let's talk about them. They're doing their thing today. Do you have a guy in this class that you're really like juice don that you think could be special.

That's a great point. And then you mentioned tight ends, Let's talk about them. They're doing their thing today. Do you have a guy in this class that you're really like juice don that you think could be special.

I'm excited to see, if healthy, what Elijah Royo could do.

I'm excited to see, if healthy, what Elijah Royo could do.

I love it.

I love it.

Yeah, man, like it's just what an interesting dude. It talked to him this week. I mean when he was six, his family moved at Mexico. He learned football in Spanish. Yeah, learned football in Spanish. Was the biggest kid on the field in Mexico's shock and he's like, I was returning kicks, so I was playing every position. He's like, everything I learned in football was in Spanish. Six years after that, they moved to Texas because, I mean, kid was a little different. Turns into a four star recruit, gets to Miami. I think it was his second year there. He towards ACL kind of costs him two years. Everybody kind of forgets about him. Cam Ward gets there, Elijah's healthy, Elijah has a monster year, great Senior Bowl.

Yeah, man, like it's just what an interesting dude. It talked to him this week. I mean when he was six, his family moved at Mexico. He learned football in Spanish. Yeah, learned football in Spanish. Was the biggest kid on the field in Mexico's shock and he's like, I was returning kicks, so I was playing every position. He's like, everything I learned in football was in Spanish. Six years after that, they moved to Texas because, I mean, kid was a little different. Turns into a four star recruit, gets to Miami. I think it was his second year there. He towards ACL kind of costs him two years. Everybody kind of forgets about him. Cam Ward gets there, Elijah's healthy, Elijah has a monster year, great Senior Bowl.

He just runs by everyone.

He just runs by everyone.

But you know what it was when he sat down next to me, I'm like, this guy's a lot bigger than I thought. He'd got a nice frame, he's wide, he's white. He's gonna get bigger.

But you know what it was when he sat down next to me, I'm like, this guy's a lot bigger than I thought. He'd got a nice frame, he's wide, he's white. He's gonna get bigger.

I know.

I know.

He came in two fifty two of the Senior Bowl, which was a that's a nice number for him. We'll play even bigger. I mean, you can run like him. Confidence is there. Arroyo is the guy like I know where we're going to Warren and Loveland and all these studs. The Royo is the day two guy that I'm like, I think it could be a difference maker.

He came in two fifty two of the Senior Bowl, which was a that's a nice number for him. We'll play even bigger. I mean, you can run like him. Confidence is there. Arroyo is the guy like I know where we're going to Warren and Loveland and all these studs. The Royo is the day two guy that I'm like, I think it could be a difference maker.

Yeah, absolutely. I think the cool thing about this draft class is there seems to me like a couple guys who could be difference makers, right, like Harold Fannon Junior.

Yeah, absolutely. I think the cool thing about this draft class is there seems to me like a couple guys who could be difference makers, right, like Harold Fannon Junior.

Like I don't really like how he run, but he.

Like I don't really like how he run, but he.

Just works' and I keep to figure out. I keep having to leave my bias at the door. Like he's winning. It might not look great, but it's it's happening.

Just works' and I keep to figure out. I keep having to leave my bias at the door. Like he's winning. It might not look great, but it's it's happening.

I know.

I know.

Like all the numbers bros love him, and I'm like, because I don't consider myself one. I dabble in analytics, but I'm not a numbers bro. I'm like, I don't know. It's it's he's a little stiff in some areas. He's not big. He's going to probably play at two thirty five. It was like a big slot play the receiver.

Like all the numbers bros love him, and I'm like, because I don't consider myself one. I dabble in analytics, but I'm not a numbers bro. I'm like, I don't know. It's it's he's a little stiff in some areas. He's not big. He's going to probably play at two thirty five. It was like a big slot play the receiver.

It's a weird vow, but like at the Senior Bowl, though, Like I was like, I was fully ready to go in there and be like, he's too stiff to win. Yep, but he's winning reps.

It's a weird vow, but like at the Senior Bowl, though, Like I was like, I was fully ready to go in there and be like, he's too stiff to win. Yep, but he's winning reps.

So he wins. He finds the ball.

So he wins. He finds the ball.

There's something too, like these tight ends that are their offense in college. It does translates. I think a Tran McBride all the time. It was totally different player, but like when you're featured in your offense as a tight end, a lot of it carries over to the NFL in some kind of form of success.

There's something too, like these tight ends that are their offense in college. It does translates. I think a Tran McBride all the time. It was totally different player, but like when you're featured in your offense as a tight end, a lot of it carries over to the NFL in some kind of form of success.

I think Trevic Bride's a really interesting colm because he ran up four five six coming out. It was an elite forty times for his size. If Farrell Fan and Junior does something like.

I think Trevic Bride's a really interesting colm because he ran up four five six coming out. It was an elite forty times for his size. If Farrell Fan and Junior does something like.

That, I know, I just am not confident he will.

That, I know, I just am not confident he will.

I don't think so either, but he keeps surprising me.

I don't think so either, but he keeps surprising me.

At some point, like when I have to bite the ball and be like, I've just been wrong for three months on this guy, like damn it, because I have.

At some point, like when I have to bite the ball and be like, I've just been wrong for three months on this guy, like damn it, because I have.

Him behind Warren Lovelin Arroyo and Mason Taylor.

Him behind Warren Lovelin Arroyo and Mason Taylor.

Yes, let's talk about Mason Taylor, little bit guy from LSU, right, because I actually like and it's probably my own bias I work with Terrence Ferguson from Oregon.

Yes, let's talk about Mason Taylor, little bit guy from LSU, right, because I actually like and it's probably my own bias I work with Terrence Ferguson from Oregon.

I like him.

I like him.

I think he's a special football player in terms of how he tracks the football. And this is a lofty comp but the movement skills in the past game remind me a lot.

I think he's a special football player in terms of how he tracks the football. And this is a lofty comp but the movement skills in the past game remind me a lot.

Of like Travis Kelce, like kind of that fluid.

Of like Travis Kelce, like kind of that fluid.

Almost looks like they're like lazy, drunk kind of out there, but they just find ways to separate stem get open. Mason Taylor is interesting to me because I love the film. I worry about the athlete a little bit.

Almost looks like they're like lazy, drunk kind of out there, but they just find ways to separate stem get open. Mason Taylor is interesting to me because I love the film. I worry about the athlete a little bit.

I do too.

I do too.

He's not that fast, He's an angry runner with the ball in his hands.

He's not that fast, He's an angry runner with the ball in his hands.

I think he's so he I'm gonna talk to about something there in a second. But like he's physical as all outdoors, no doubt, but you know that only gets you so far, Like are you a blocking y or are you a difference maker in an offense?

I think he's so he I'm gonna talk to about something there in a second. But like he's physical as all outdoors, no doubt, but you know that only gets you so far, Like are you a blocking y or are you a difference maker in an offense?

Or are you a jack of all trades? Master? Not in college that that doesn't work at the NFL level.

Or are you a jack of all trades? Master? Not in college that that doesn't work at the NFL level.

Right.

Right.

He's a weird one for me because when we ranked him over summer, I was like, I don't like this guy at all, really, like it doesn't get like didn't get the juices going, and then this year I'm like, oh, I kind of see it now, like he's his hands are a little better as a blocker. I thought he was violent after the catch. The athleticism is a big part in it for me. With him, I think Ferguson I liked. I liked him more over the summer. I just think there's a tension to detail in everything he does.

He's a weird one for me because when we ranked him over summer, I was like, I don't like this guy at all, really, like it doesn't get like didn't get the juices going, and then this year I'm like, oh, I kind of see it now, like he's his hands are a little better as a blocker. I thought he was violent after the catch. The athleticism is a big part in it for me. With him, I think Ferguson I liked. I liked him more over the summer. I just think there's a tension to detail in everything he does.

We've talked, We've talked about that, so you know, cut that out there. We've been talking about it. Get him right.

We've talked, We've talked about that, so you know, cut that out there. We've been talking about it. Get him right.

It's like nobody cares because they had a lot of mouths to feed in that offense. But he did the same thing every year, which in a compliment, like I mean that as a compliment. It's like, oh cool, he's a factor in our red zone. We could trust him to play, I think both on the line and off the line. And I think he has a lot of attention to his footwork, where like you don't need to run a four or five if you know how to get open.

It's like nobody cares because they had a lot of mouths to feed in that offense. But he did the same thing every year, which in a compliment, like I mean that as a compliment. It's like, oh cool, he's a factor in our red zone. We could trust him to play, I think both on the line and off the line. And I think he has a lot of attention to his footwork, where like you don't need to run a four or five if you know how to get open.

Yeah, you brought up something there that I think is maybe like, is the number one thing that I think national draft media ignores the most about the position is you have to be able to block a little bit right, you're not a tight end if you don't correct. And so if you're not a tight end, then you're a slot receiver. And then think about the body types you're competing with as a slot receiver. You know, you got your Xavier Ristrepo or insert your crazy twitchy guy here, right. So that's the thing that always gets me, is like, you're not a tight end if you don't put your hint. You gotta do I'm not saying you got to be a killer, but you got to do.

Yeah, you brought up something there that I think is maybe like, is the number one thing that I think national draft media ignores the most about the position is you have to be able to block a little bit right, you're not a tight end if you don't correct. And so if you're not a tight end, then you're a slot receiver. And then think about the body types you're competing with as a slot receiver. You know, you got your Xavier Ristrepo or insert your crazy twitchy guy here, right. So that's the thing that always gets me, is like, you're not a tight end if you don't put your hint. You gotta do I'm not saying you got to be a killer, but you got to do.

Some of it.

Some of it.

And I've seen guys that get drafted as like kind of that move f piece that never become what they think they're going to be in the offense because they can't actually play them. They can't play on the field because they can't trust him to do tight end type things.

And I've seen guys that get drafted as like kind of that move f piece that never become what they think they're going to be in the offense because they can't actually play them. They can't play on the field because they can't trust him to do tight end type things.

To a degree, it's we're learning the hard way a little.

To a degree, it's we're learning the hard way a little.

Kyle Pitts, Yeah, like Kyle Pitts, and I think a little bit with Donald could caate a little bit that one is, yes, yeah, And that was a concern for me because I didn't think he blocked in college. And the thing is his effort was there, yeah, yeah, no doubt, but the balance, the kind of just the baseline. Like I think about Jordan Reid is a really good example. Like Jordan Reid was basically a receiver, but if he had to, he could block a defensive end and it wasn't always pretty, but he knew like tight elbows, good feet, good balance, enough to get in the way. Travis Kelce when he first got in the league, like he was pretty good in the run game, and then it's it gives you a floor of like I can play in these packages and not have to always catch the football. And it's something that I think we all wait every year. It's like, let's find that move f and we always forget about it always.

Kyle Pitts, Yeah, like Kyle Pitts, and I think a little bit with Donald could caate a little bit that one is, yes, yeah, And that was a concern for me because I didn't think he blocked in college. And the thing is his effort was there, yeah, yeah, no doubt, but the balance, the kind of just the baseline. Like I think about Jordan Reid is a really good example. Like Jordan Reid was basically a receiver, but if he had to, he could block a defensive end and it wasn't always pretty, but he knew like tight elbows, good feet, good balance, enough to get in the way. Travis Kelce when he first got in the league, like he was pretty good in the run game, and then it's it gives you a floor of like I can play in these packages and not have to always catch the football. And it's something that I think we all wait every year. It's like, let's find that move f and we always forget about it always.

Is funny.

Is funny.

When we did the tight end rankings, I knew people were gonna flip out, so I just got it off the top. I'm like, I didn't watch Ironde Gadsden from Syracuse for this, and like, if you're I want to know what he weighs in at the combine and then we'll do the tight end rankings again.

When we did the tight end rankings, I knew people were gonna flip out, so I just got it off the top. I'm like, I didn't watch Ironde Gadsden from Syracuse for this, and like, if you're I want to know what he weighs in at the combine and then we'll do the tight end rankings again.

If he's a tight end but you need to play tight end to.

If he's a tight end but you need to play tight end to.

Be I think that's a really good, like a really good point because he's a guy that I think is really interesting because he plays like a big slot outside receiver type guy, but he looks like he's got enough length to play in line. But they didn't ask him to do it a time. So it's I think that's a really good question because you have to have a floor. If I'm gonna give you all these cool packages, you have to be able to do like that's exactly right, cut off on the back side or something like that.

Be I think that's a really good, like a really good point because he's a guy that I think is really interesting because he plays like a big slot outside receiver type guy, but he looks like he's got enough length to play in line. But they didn't ask him to do it a time. So it's I think that's a really good question because you have to have a floor. If I'm gonna give you all these cool packages, you have to be able to do like that's exactly right, cut off on the back side or something like that.

If you're just a slot receiver.

If you're just a slot receiver.

Okay, so I'm gonna rank you with you brought up for Streppo Jalen Nol from Iowa State.

Okay, so I'm gonna rank you with you brought up for Streppo Jalen Nol from Iowa State.

It's a freak.

It's a freak.

Yeah, Like, these guys are awesome. I want them in my slot.

Yeah, Like, these guys are awesome. I want them in my slot.

Even even Higgins from ia Was State might be a spot. Yeah, it might be a big slot. The next that's the type of athlete you're competing with. And I'm I love tight ends. I'm a big tight end guy, but I'm not going to put you on the field over one of those players because they have so much more juice. They can win a man man of situations.

Even even Higgins from ia Was State might be a spot. Yeah, it might be a big slot. The next that's the type of athlete you're competing with. And I'm I love tight ends. I'm a big tight end guy, but I'm not going to put you on the field over one of those players because they have so much more juice. They can win a man man of situations.

That's the problem. And then like when you look at the Georgia Tech kid Hawes.

That's the problem. And then like when you look at the Georgia Tech kid Hawes.

Love, dude, I love he don't even say one, don't say one thing about him.

Love, dude, I love he don't even say one, don't say one thing about him.

You right now, I'm pretty jacked.

You right now, I'm pretty jacked.

Right, dude, he's awesome because I want to take him. I want to draft him as my tight end too and be like, cool, now I have a sixth offensive lineman.

Right, dude, he's awesome because I want to take him. I want to draft him as my tight end too and be like, cool, now I have a sixth offensive lineman.

S the commanders like John Bates, like, you need a guy like that. It does so much for your run game, does so much for your pass protection. He is he is so committed to that and I love it, man, I love watching.

S the commanders like John Bates, like, you need a guy like that. It does so much for your run game, does so much for your pass protection. He is he is so committed to that and I love it, man, I love watching.

It fall in on it. I think he h this happened with Tip Ryman last year.

It fall in on it. I think he h this happened with Tip Ryman last year.

Yes, like no one, no one cared about Tip and I think he went in the third round and her was like, oh God, like how did this?

Yes, like no one, no one cared about Tip and I think he went in the third round and her was like, oh God, like how did this?

Like where did this come from? It's gonna happen with Hawes.

Like where did this come from? It's gonna happen with Hawes.

So I have a lot of tight end coaches that I still talk to in the NFL, and that is when you talk to them about their lists. The main difference between the composition of Nationalists is like, if dude can block, they value him way more because they know what it does to the floor of your offense. So I think that's something that again, I think we it's so fun to talk about the pass catcher, that dynamic guy. Of course, you know, like Mason Taylor. I'm in on him because he does stuff in line, you know what I mean, Like, and he can do stuff in the past game.

So I have a lot of tight end coaches that I still talk to in the NFL, and that is when you talk to them about their lists. The main difference between the composition of Nationalists is like, if dude can block, they value him way more because they know what it does to the floor of your offense. So I think that's something that again, I think we it's so fun to talk about the pass catcher, that dynamic guy. Of course, you know, like Mason Taylor. I'm in on him because he does stuff in line, you know what I mean, Like, and he can do stuff in the past game.

So and that's why Warren's going to be a top twelve pick.

So and that's why Warren's going to be a top twelve pick.

He is a freak, man.

He is a freak, man.

It's just different.

It's just different.

He's a freak.

He's a freak.

It's different.

It's different.

I want you to talk about him for a second. I've talked about him a lot.

I want you to talk about him for a second. I've talked about him a lot.

He's so fun to watch because it doesn't matter what you ask him to do. I mean, he played quarterback in high school, so then Penn State runs him in wildcat. He looks pretty comfortable doing it. I think he's going to be a Toush push cheat code at the next level.

He's so fun to watch because it doesn't matter what you ask him to do. I mean, he played quarterback in high school, so then Penn State runs him in wildcat. He looks pretty comfortable doing it. I think he's going to be a Toush push cheat code at the next level.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm like, oh, okay, so this is the next Toush push cheat code when I watch him. But I asked him about this, I'm like, dude, it just looks you look more excited. He had a blockkinst Illinois two minutes left in the game. I think it was fourth down. It was this is game on the line. He blows the linebacker off the all into the stands, running back scores, Penn State wins the game. I was like, you look ten times more excited by that than any other Playoff've seen from you. And he's he's like, blocking is just like what kind of gets him going. He's like, yeah, in outside zone, He's like when I'm on the front side, He's like, we call it getting the engine started, like revving the engine, Like that's what kind of gets the guy going, not the you know, eleven hundred receiving yards or the He's just he's different like that where he doesn't care how much he's involved in the box score. He just wants to be in on every play with physicality will come for him. I haven't landed one. He likes shocky a lot.

I'm like, oh, okay, so this is the next Toush push cheat code when I watch him. But I asked him about this, I'm like, dude, it just looks you look more excited. He had a blockkinst Illinois two minutes left in the game. I think it was fourth down. It was this is game on the line. He blows the linebacker off the all into the stands, running back scores, Penn State wins the game. I was like, you look ten times more excited by that than any other Playoff've seen from you. And he's he's like, blocking is just like what kind of gets him going. He's like, yeah, in outside zone, He's like when I'm on the front side, He's like, we call it getting the engine started, like revving the engine, Like that's what kind of gets the guy going, not the you know, eleven hundred receiving yards or the He's just he's different like that where he doesn't care how much he's involved in the box score. He just wants to be in on every play with physicality will come for him. I haven't landed one. He likes shocky a lot.

Really, he and I looked.

Really, he and I looked.

I was like, ah, yeah, I kind of want to go there.

I was like, ah, yeah, I kind of want to go there.

Yeah, he loves shockey.

Yeah, he loves shockey.

I was talking to Jason about this. He kind of reminds me it's probably the size, but like Rob Gronkountkowski, that kind of like I'm always open. I'm a big body, And I hate to make that comp.

I was talking to Jason about this. He kind of reminds me it's probably the size, but like Rob Gronkountkowski, that kind of like I'm always open. I'm a big body, And I hate to make that comp.

Because everyone's afraid to do it because.

Because everyone's afraid to do it because.

He's like one of the best and he's not the same guy, but they kind of win the same way. They compete in line, like it could be special, So.

He's like one of the best and he's not the same guy, but they kind of win the same way. They compete in line, like it could be special, So.

He could be special, and I think the draftskin are a that, Like, I just it's annoying because when you put him in the top ten of a mock, everyone's like a tight end, like and they just start like throwing names in your face, and I'm like, do you realize how multiple this guy allows an offense to be?

He could be special, and I think the draftskin are a that, Like, I just it's annoying because when you put him in the top ten of a mock, everyone's like a tight end, like and they just start like throwing names in your face, and I'm like, do you realize how multiple this guy allows an offense to be?

I have a question for you. So I've always kind of kicked back this idea of like having a guy that could run like kind of like a toush push package, but like be your short yardage quarterback, you know what I mean, kind of like Taysom Hill. And I think, imagine if he could steal a couple four downs for you or third like third and two, like because I can run a little zone read with them or you know whatever.

I have a question for you. So I've always kind of kicked back this idea of like having a guy that could run like kind of like a toush push package, but like be your short yardage quarterback, you know what I mean, kind of like Taysom Hill. And I think, imagine if he could steal a couple four downs for you or third like third and two, like because I can run a little zone read with them or you know whatever.

It looks like I don't.

It looks like I don't.

Know, right, Pennce, they did it, Yeah, and nobody had an answer. Yeah, So why is like And it's not like why wouldn't work in the NFL?

Know, right, Pennce, they did it, Yeah, and nobody had an answer. Yeah, So why is like And it's not like why wouldn't work in the NFL?

I mean, he's what sixty six two sixty dude.

I mean, he's what sixty six two sixty dude.

He's a big man, he's huge, carries it well, moves well acceleration. I just you feel so good about him as a player, Like if you if you shut down the facility after Night one, of the draft in that guy's come in to your facility to wear a uniform. You're telling me you don't feel amazing the next day.

He's a big man, he's huge, carries it well, moves well acceleration. I just you feel so good about him as a player, Like if you if you shut down the facility after Night one, of the draft in that guy's come in to your facility to wear a uniform. You're telling me you don't feel amazing the next day.

Can you talk about that for a second, because I think everyone also talks about like upside.

Can you talk about that for a second, because I think everyone also talks about like upside.

But also I.

But also I.

Think when you're picking an the top ten, top fifteen, there's a floor element that you're looking for. And I feel like, just because I feel like he's got it, is there anybody else in the draft you're like, this guy's got that floor.

Think when you're picking an the top ten, top fifteen, there's a floor element that you're looking for. And I feel like, just because I feel like he's got it, is there anybody else in the draft you're like, this guy's got that floor.

Oh, that's a good one. This year feels a little bit harder like last year.

Oh, that's a good one. This year feels a little bit harder like last year.

I it is.

I it is.

I have to think about this.

I have to think about this.

I know we're kind of underwhelmed by his measurements, but Mason Graham, the tape is the tape, Like he's gonna come in and you play him at three tech and you ask him to hold the point of attack. I think there's more pass rush in him than people realize. Like he's got pretty good hips at that size. The size is a little weird here. I thought he'd be over three hundred pounds, but he's so strong pound for pound. I like the floor with him. I think Loveland has a really good floor. He's bigger than I thought like he We had him come over to the set and I'm like, damn, he's over sixty five. I think he's gonna play closer to two sixty than people realize. He won't play there, but like people think he's two forty.

I know we're kind of underwhelmed by his measurements, but Mason Graham, the tape is the tape, Like he's gonna come in and you play him at three tech and you ask him to hold the point of attack. I think there's more pass rush in him than people realize. Like he's got pretty good hips at that size. The size is a little weird here. I thought he'd be over three hundred pounds, but he's so strong pound for pound. I like the floor with him. I think Loveland has a really good floor. He's bigger than I thought like he We had him come over to the set and I'm like, damn, he's over sixty five. I think he's gonna play closer to two sixty than people realize. He won't play there, but like people think he's two forty.

How heavy was he?

How heavy was he?

I think he was two fifty two?

I think he was two fifty two?

Here, good for you man? Yeah?

Here, good for you man? Yeah?

Yeah with an injury?

Yeah with an injury?

Oh is he?

Oh is he?

I think there's a show. I think there's a shoulder. I want to make sure I'm right about that.

I think there's a show. I think there's a shoulder. I want to make sure I'm right about that.

Well, we're not gonna hold you to it, but yeah, some kind of injury. Yeah.

Well, we're not gonna hold you to it, but yeah, some kind of injury. Yeah.

So if it's number body injury and he's healthy and lifting, is he not.

So if it's number body injury and he's healthy and lifting, is he not.

To fifty six?

To fifty six?

To fill to realize it was that big? I didn't either didn't look it on film. You moved so well.

To fill to realize it was that big? I didn't either didn't look it on film. You moved so well.

He's so smart as soon as the play breaks down too.

He's so smart as soon as the play breaks down too.

Who's the Titan for Michigan? By the way? For people?

Who's the Titan for Michigan? By the way? For people?

Yeah, I do this way too much.

Yeah, I do this way too much.

I just think everybody lives in this sick world that I live in, where they're like, who are these people?

I just think everybody lives in this sick world that I live in, where they're like, who are these people?

Where they play?

Where they play?

How do I watch them? It's a really bad habit.

How do I watch them? It's a really bad habit.

Trevor yells a not yells at me, but he's like he's like reminding me all the time, like, hey, some people have lives.

Trevor yells a not yells at me, but he's like he's like reminding me all the time, like, hey, some people have lives.

I get on Logan about it all the time. That's why he just stated it. I tell him all the time. You have to say what school we're at because our fans.

I get on Logan about it all the time. That's why he just stated it. I tell him all the time. You have to say what school we're at because our fans.

I'm broken. I'm never gonna fix some Sometimes.

I'm broken. I'm never gonna fix some Sometimes.

I don't know because he's further into the evaluation process and yeah, so yeah, to tell me where they're coming from. Hey, can you tell that Logan's passionate about tight ends?

I don't know because he's further into the evaluation process and yeah, so yeah, to tell me where they're coming from. Hey, can you tell that Logan's passionate about tight ends?

That's awesome. I love doing this show with you guys.

That's awesome. I love doing this show with you guys.

It's like, honestly one of my favorites of the entire year because it's the best tight end commedy get to have. And we're gonna have too. I think both are going Top fifteen, by the way, I hope.

It's like, honestly one of my favorites of the entire year because it's the best tight end commedy get to have. And we're gonna have too. I think both are going Top fifteen, by the way, I hope.

So, yeah, I bring make tight end great again. You know I can't.

So, yeah, I bring make tight end great again. You know I can't.

I give into here great for the DC market.

I give into here great for the DC market.

Thanks, I want to cut that.

Thanks, I want to cut that.

I think I came into here like I love him.

I think I came into here like I love him.

Will probably go with the Broncos at twenty and I'm just I think I'm dead wrong, Like I think the league just is, Like I think he's a better player than that. But the whole tight end now, I think they're both going top fifteen.

Will probably go with the Broncos at twenty and I'm just I think I'm dead wrong, Like I think the league just is, Like I think he's a better player than that. But the whole tight end now, I think they're both going top fifteen.

He's a special player, special mover and if he's that big, like he can do like do more stuff in line of scrimmage. And dude, it's cool having two guys that are this talented, you know, and then having the tail end of the tight end draft be this talented also is great. So it's gonna be a lot of fun to watch these guys run today.

He's a special player, special mover and if he's that big, like he can do like do more stuff in line of scrimmage. And dude, it's cool having two guys that are this talented, you know, and then having the tail end of the tight end draft be this talented also is great. So it's gonna be a lot of fun to watch these guys run today.

I have one more question before you leave.

I have one more question before you leave.

We kept you way too.

We kept you way too.

Long, sterilling.

Long, sterilling.

If you're the GM of the Commanders, what are you doing at the late first round? What position do you think is an area of need? You don't need to give me a player name, but.

If you're the GM of the Commanders, what are you doing at the late first round? What position do you think is an area of need? You don't need to give me a player name, but.

Can I mean, I'd like to see if you could steal one of the tackles, right like, is one going to fall?

Can I mean, I'd like to see if you could steal one of the tackles, right like, is one going to fall?

That's that's a big question for me too. You have one that you liked there at twenty nine, you.

That's that's a big question for me too. You have one that you liked there at twenty nine, you.

Know what I like, And I know he had the one better up in the Senior Bowl that goes viral, which is done. Talked about that a lot, But yeah, I like Connor le I like Connor Lely. I like you can't teach that base, the explosiveness in the base, but you could get him stronger.

Know what I like, And I know he had the one better up in the Senior Bowl that goes viral, which is done. Talked about that a lot, But yeah, I like Connor le I like Connor Lely. I like you can't teach that base, the explosiveness in the base, but you could get him stronger.

Yeah, like I think you can get him stronger. He's interesting to me.

Yeah, like I think you can get him stronger. He's interesting to me.

I thought the Ohio State tackle Simmons had it all and that injuries, Like I just don't know right now with that kind of injury, but I thought the six games I watched, I was like, this is the best tackle in the draft of he just kept playing football. We feel the same way, yeah, I mean just different, like you're not supposed to move like that at that side. They're real tackles.

I thought the Ohio State tackle Simmons had it all and that injuries, Like I just don't know right now with that kind of injury, but I thought the six games I watched, I was like, this is the best tackle in the draft of he just kept playing football. We feel the same way, yeah, I mean just different, like you're not supposed to move like that at that side. They're real tackles.

The question is, yeah, do you think you think he's going to be there? I mean, I obviously injury dependent, but like I think one of the two will okay, because I want to think if you're a Commander's fan, just to give you some context, like both those guys are excellent football players, and I.