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Hey, Hey, I just want to give a shout out to Gary Clark because he put on a great break thing his weekend, said Tana Mouse, gotta wood be Mitch got of wood. Is nothing else better than X teammates sure and love to ex players.
I thought it was great.
What was the word for, well, I kind of suarizing. It was basically, just give me you your flowers, recognition, recognition for what you've done on the filing off the field. You know what I mean. And like I say, like he just mentioned, yes, big shout out to Gary, but another big shout out to Fred and uh CP for speaking on behalf of me. And no, it was nice. Man, I didn't know what.
Don't believe what they said about you, you know.
Please don't. I'm a better person than you think.
He was in my little tux too.
By Fred was clean man casket clean, jumped out of the casket.
I love that. And were their fans there?
People there?
It was tons of people there.
I saw something on your Instagram. But it look cool, look like a really cool.
It was a cool event in a great building.
Like I said, you don't see that much where other players do that.
For the players, it's usually an organization.
He does it.
So to see Gary go out of his way to make that happen to show appreciation, man, that's unbelievable.
Say that we play the game, and I don't want to be too long when we played the game for many different reasons, you know what I mean, And it always get brought up, you know. You know when it comes to accolades, some players really kind of hang their hat on those things. You know. Me myself personally, I feel like you're lucky if you do, and damn if you don't. Sometimes, but to get a to get recognized for something you've done off the field, been not de leave for how many years now? Ten eleven years? It was, it was, it was. It was a big time for Gary. So appreciation mister Clark. You know, hey, folks, that's super cool. And I'm sure school also be getting acknowledged with be Mitched too. Yeah, I'm getting his flowers.
That's awesome, man, I gave him.
Hell did you really just are funny to like, you know, with like when fletching you, it's like very like back and forth. I feel like with when b mitches there, it's like your dad's there a little you know what I'm saying, not a bad way, but like you just talked to him different than you talk about it's probably out of respect.
And that's why I love this franchise.
Man.
It ain't nothing like to pass And now in the future, just buying them together. I think this team does a great job that we have some great ogs and now gets we considered ogs, so you know, it's great to be a part of and.
It's cool and I think, you know, in addition to having great kind of history with the you know, the organization, there's also great fans and you know, like we got some good news for fans. We got a guy Scott Hartley. He won He's from England. He won an International Fan of the Year and the the Washington Commanders are going to send him out to the twenty twenty five NFL Draft in Green Bay, Green He's been a Commanders fan since twenty twelve with Robert Griffin the third Yeah, I was on that team.
He knows you yeah, which is he's one of very few people who knows me eight two.
And he's also got a UK based podcast it's called One Point Safety where he talks all things Commanders. And he's been to the last three home opening games for the Washington managed So really cool to see the I think the sport of football growing, see this fan base growing, and it's nice to have guys like Scott Hartley, you know, supporting the organization.
I wonder how how English responds to his podcast because when they say football in England.
American football, they have to say American football.
But I just wonder how many people in London and England gravity gravitate towards his podcast because it is American sport.
What It's crazy because I remember when I was over there a couple of years ago in Germany, I had just discovered or just found out you can say that they had American football up there. They was playing actual football, they had teams up there, so I'm like, it's professional too. So I saw a couple of guys. I'm like, he say play football. Immediately thought he was talking about soccer. Yeah, It's like no, no, you need to come to a game. So I'm like, like with pads yeah, And they showed me film bro. I was blowing out my mind. So I'm pretty sure they have more to talk about just our football. But that was that was the first time I knew that.
Yeah.
And so when I was in Atlanta, my roommate was from the UK played rugby, is trying to make it in the NFL, and so I met a lot of his buddies and a lot of them play football in the UK football, you know, and it's it's just interesting. They all got normal jobs, you know, but they come out on the weekends.
But this is how they probably look at us when.
Yeah, but it's almore like soccer because we kind of behind everybody else in soccer and we probably won't win in soccer until soccer moves.
Like the one thing about soccer I can.
Say it's a relative residential sport like.
Soccer is soccer is played in these suburbs.
I mean soccer to me, soccer, soccer, basketball, even like rugby to a certain extent, are like super low cost sports.
You know what I'm saying.
All you need is a ball in a field, ball in a court. And so I do think they do well. Like you know, like.
Where there's where there's grass, people go play soccer like, but we.
Play it in the in the suburbs. It's a rich suburb of sports.
See.
I don't know if I agree with that, because you know, I think so Like so for example, like I met my son's rugby practicelas night, right and I walk out there and there's a bunch of dudes that brought a ball. They're not in the league shirts and skins played soccer for two hours.
But as a guy that's from low income area, most teams are formed in those areas, like the digital the rich areas have.
Soccer, but think about it, community, you got to the gate. So those communities, they kind of gravitate to those areas because they know the parents want something for their kids to do. See, you go to the hood. We came out of soccer at playing soccer ball. It's basketball, You're.
Not it's going to be tra But what I'm saying, even in those like even like like so I grew up not in a bad area, but like you go to the public park and there is football practice, but then there's like I also grew up in an area everywhere, Yeah, but whatever I grew up with, Like there was a large Hispanic population and they'd be out there kicking the ball.
Right, you know what I'm saying.
So it's it's one of those things where it's like I feel like, if there's grass, you can do it.
I feel like until the like think about it. In South America, soccer is very popular. Mexico, soccer is very popular. Where they're playing it in the low income area, it's like we played, but it's also part of their coach the culture thing to the.
Colture culture thing. And then when it comes to just if you want to, I guess you want to section it off when it comes to like hood neighborhood while you're gonna see it. When we grew up, we saw more in those those communities that had gated areas, gated community and where to where the money went up a little bit.
You know, it's a little more middle class. And that's why now we'll finally that's why I enjoyed hockey. They break their head in hockey. And then it was like the four countries against each other. America showed that we can play hockey now because we done got to the point where Connor McDavid and the rest of these guys, well, we can play hockey at.
A high level.
Soccer worldly we're still behind everybody because we get out behind.
This is like a conversation like we're kind of off track.
Your no, we just broken left. But like you know, hockey kind of they get you. They get you in earlier you kind of stayed with right. Obviously, your Minnesota is your Michigan's, like they play really high level hockey. And then but with soccer, like if you're playing a field sport like Tennessee and like you're playing football, you're running track, like you're doing different Like we prioritize different things here in the United States, And honestly, like a lot of the basketball players I think would be great soccer players, but yeah, that's a bigger priority. There's more money in those sports here, so.
You don't get to see him as more early ricognition.
Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
All right, that's enough of us kind of talking about sports and development and different nations and stuff like that.
But congratulations to Scott Hartley.
And then in addition to having the best fans and having you know, the number one international fan in Scott, there's also some other news coming on and we got Deebo Samuels signings and I got we got to preface this. According to Adam Schefner, the Washington Commanders have agreed to terms to trade for Deebo Samuels, and so Washington receives Deebo Samuels. According to Adam Scheffner, San Franciscover receives a fifth round pick. All of these trade detailed details are according to Adam Scheffner, still needs to be finalized. He still needs to get his physical, So I just want to make sure that's very clear.
Right.
So Washington as of right now is taking the remainder of Deebo Samuel's contract and paying his full seventeen point five to five million in salary for the twenty twenty five seasons. So basically, Deebo Samuel four a fifth round pick and we're getting the salary too. And so people say that seems a little bit low Ford Deebo Samuel, like where's the value? But you got to understand that you're also getting the salary. And again this is according down.
The show, and they're eating thirty million. Also is dead cap, I mean next year.
Yeah.
That So it's one of those situations where I thought San Francisco found theirself in a situation where I got a quarterback.
I got to pay hundreds of million dollars.
We have to shave some fat here, Like, I don't think they wanted to just let Debo go for a fifth round. I think their hand was forced in this situation because of the people that got to pay. You got to realize still paying Trent william money, still got Christian McCaffrey back there making money both so yeah, come on, you're about to lose Drake Greenlaw. Like the ward at the cornerback was interesting. They're in a situation where they had no other choice but to do this.
I think too, it also balls down to, uh, that's the price you pay when you want those teams to have a bunch of superstars, you know. I mean Debo was considered a superstars and you know when that cap is to the point of where is that we have to win now? And they had their wind, the wind it was with all those guys. We didn't have to worry about their money, and now you have to worry about it. So not like you said, shaving fat. They definitely got to you know, it's like you're going to Shima. You know, they come down there and have all that meats.
I love it.
I keep call it bring Bring.
Shave a little bit off and was you know, at their disposal. But I'm happy because now you get a guy, and you so we did last year with those one year guys. You get a guy basically come in here and say, hey, something, what you got for one year? You don't cost that much.
I love to have you yeah, and again like seventeen point five million. I know that sounds like a ton of money, but it's really like not not in the receiver where the twentieth highest paid receiver, and you know, like there's things Adam Peters could do to restructure that. Again, we don't know what he's gonna do, but just outside looking in, like you know, you could say, hey, we could sign an extension, we could reaccate.
Just went up.
So it's just so many things working in Like it's a to me, a win win deal because if you look at how we uh the plays we did for our number tools with Noah Brown, the Yummy Brown.
It was the quick screen game. It was it was literally like letting him get yet yards.
But this is what this guy masures in he made he's a Swish army night and a defensive player.
When he comes on the field. We have to alert it. De boys on the field, we alert that.
To each other.
Now that's taking attention from Terry like what he's gonna do, Like people going to say, I want to see his stats at the end of the year.
Sometime, it's just not about that.
It's about what do you bring to an offense and how dynamic do you make an offense? Now he gives us a player. Put the ball in my hand and watch me go eat this jack up.
I mean, he's one of those guys that you remember at one point in the last year's season where we was missing Austin Eckler, like having a debo there. He can take it on whatever.
He can be that guy that you.
Can just find a way to get the ball in his hand. Yeah, like he just he has something in him rather you know, scratch the you know what else position you want to label the mask and just say he's a football player. He's a guy that he's dominant when he has the ball in his hand. He's a dog. You know, these guys love dogs, and that's what he's made of. He's made of. He's one of those guys to go out there and just get the job done. So I'm happy with it because I understand what it's about. When you have a team, you have a nucleus of guys that's you know, moving to the same beat, you know what I mean, you don't need to have necessarily that's one on one this guy not just have players that's going to go out there and be productive.
Yeah, yeah, and I think.
It kind of you're kind of maybe getting out like what Debo does well. And when I look at Debo when I watched the film, I'm back and watch all of his targets from last year and some of his targets from twenty twenty three, Like he is excellent, excellent after the catch, like he's excellent. Like with the ball in his hand, he looks like a running back, right, Yeah, he is. He's got great contact balance, he can make people miss. He understands how to attack and break angles. He's a violent, physical, competitive runner with the ball in his hands.
And so that's what he does well.
And I think, like when you think about the Commander's offense and what we did well this year, we run a lot of quick game, a lot of bubbles screens, run a lot of RPOs, and so think about if you can make that element of your offense twenty five percent more effective. Get him a touch and instead of going for five yards he breaks the tackling, it goes for fifteen.
You get a first down, right, And I think about again this offense.
Last year we were thirtieth at explosive place, and so we were really efficient. We go on these you know, fifteen play. Yeah, that's hard living, man, Statistically, that's hard living. That's hard to make it. But when you bring a guy in like Deebo Samuel, like he manufactures explosive places. And so I look at what he did in twenty twenty three, he had twenty nine explosive plays to give you an idea. So Diami had fourteen last year. Right, who's the other guy? Oz had nine?
Right?
So he's just by himself superseding that number. And it's not like he's running deep digs.
He can do that stuff.
But the thing where he really excels is like, get him a ball on a stick on a five yard out, get him ball on the screen, and he's gonna take that thing to that.
And he's a hell of a blocker when it comes to you know, run game all that stuff. You got a guy that's gonna go out there and I guess they put that right there over somebody you have no problem with doing it. So like win when I'm down with you.
And then think about this.
Anytime he does the jet motion and let's just say we're doing the jet motion and we running a r P O, he has just took three four eyes with him, Like so people.
Don't understand what he brings to the table without the ball.
Yeah, yes, he's He's going to be one of those guys that, like I say, as a defense, we have to come for we have to check with me when he comes in the game. And we also when he moves, we got to look, we have to pay attention when he moves. And when he moves, you just open up a whole wonderful Terry mcnayan, You just open up a whole lane.
For me Rob to go down.
Heel, like, here's a fake on his outfite is more theoretically, it is more than yours, is more than yek is more than our licks presence.
Yeah, absolutely, And I think like that's something we're obviously really excited to see. And the other thing I'm really excited for, and I think it's important to point this out, is I think Cliff, if he was going anywhere, I don't know if I'd be that stoked about it, But I think Cliff really understands how to use skill set like I think you understand like when you look at Zach, he knows exactly what Zach is. He knows exactly what Austin is he knows how to use the utilized terry, Like look what he did again, it's the whole offensive staff. So I'm going to use Cliff's name here, but it's the quarterback coach, Yeling. Everyone's a part of it. Yeah, but he understood how to maximize Jane as well. So he's the guy that I think understands to what Fred's talking about, how to use the gravity that Debo provides, how to use the blocking he brings, how to use the ability for him to create after the catch and find easy ways to get him touches. And I think about some of those screens he ran last year and watching him again in twenty twenty three, like he's taking some most of the house and if you can get him healthy, which I think leads us into the next question.
Yep.
So all of these things are not positives I think for the Washington commanders. Like the price tag is I think a lot of got a lot of people spook. But when you look at the numbers, it's kind of you know, according to Adam Schefter, the numbers that he's reporting, it feels like something that we can tolerate, right, And it feels like a very competitive number of receivers, and if he brings the value out, we think it's going to be worth the worth the money. However, why is San Francisco moving on from Deebo Samuels.
Financially they have no other choice.
They are they are to me, and I don't I don't think no San Francisco fan Fields is way to me.
They missed the Windo like they want.
That's an interesting conversation to me.
They missed a window and now they have to pay the piper. And now, when I say pay the piper, you have a quarterback that has been making a million, maybe a million, two million dollars a year. You have to Now he goes from one million to forty I'm a forty millions for it per year.
I'm really curious to say how much they out to pay him. But point like they lost the rookie contract.
They lost the wikie contract, plus they played brandan I you and I felt like they were. They felt like they was forced because they felt like we was in that window. So we had to pay him, and now here they trying to trade him also paying him a year ago. And then you got to realize Trent probably is the highest paid tackle in the league per year.
Then you also have Fred Warner that's over there. You have ward that you have to pay. You had the funger that you have to pay.
You got guys that you if you want to keep this team together, you had to lose some players. And I think Debo was on their list of Okay, we just drafted our receiver first round.
We just paid Brandon.
I you, he's expendable, Litz let him go, and he has a high cap number, like we're forced to do this.
So I think that's great background, and I think the thing that comes I can hear fans through the through the cameras asking this question, why is he on the cut list? I think that's that's where I think we had a good conversation about this earlier in Tan Understanding who the player is. I think it's important for this conversation.
But I think too, if you don't want to sit here and get too much in detail with just what last year was about, because last year was just a bad year for the.
Whole team two team, you know what I mean?
If you think about going forward, Okay, this guy's gonna be up again. Are we willing to pay him? Again, or do we need to get something for him? You can't pay them if you think, it's just smart for them to go out there and say, let's see if we can get some value for this player. You know, you know, we don't know what this year is going to be about, so we don't know if his value going to be up for a four or four a third or fifth round. So they went out there and saying, you know what, let's turn this this this asset into another asset, into something that we can bring in and maybe have more years with before I have to worry about giving them big money. So misides all the other stuff that you just mentioned. That's where I'm looking at. I'm looking at more so saying yes, he's a he's a talent, but do I want to hold on it for one more year? And now I'm a risk either getting something for him or have to pay him.
I can't took a receiver in the first round and you just paid another receiver.
You can't afford to pay him again. Like there's just too much money in one room right there. So, like I said, it was just one of those things where he was the odd man out. And I don't think they finished trading guy. I just think he's the beginning of something that they had to do.
Yeah, so I think also like both great points, but I understanding like what the film says about him, right, and is what his recent history says about him. And so obviously, like, well, I speak for everyone, We're excited he's going to be here, Morty Adam schefferd. We're excited he's going to be a part of the Washington Commanders because of what we just talked about, how he raises the floor.
Of this offense.
He's an upgrade in their room, right, And so.
I will say he has a little bit of an injury history because he plays so hard.
I've been saying he plays so reckless.
He's a bowling ball with pins coming out of It's like he plays that level. Now I want to see because all us veterans, when we get to a certain point, we have to try to reinvent ourselves. And he go, the funny thing about it, we make it to the league in the best shape our life because we leave in their college years.
That's a really interesting thing to talk about for people who aren't in the NFL, Like you are fit coming out of college.
But when we come out of college, we are we are the best we ever go to tip top shape, and then for the rest of our career we have to lose weight the longer we stay in the league, like and people won't think about that like that, Like I had to gain weight. I was one of the few people that had to gain weight as I went, But then when I got to the year six seven, like, I need to lose weight. So I hope he get to the point where you're like, all right, let me slim down so I can so I can get back in.
It in the pocket to his offense. Normally, guys like a debo that already have that that that kind of compact structure, or if you get hurt or something bothering, you can't gain weight.
Yeah, with me, it happens to me.
In two thousand and going into twenty ten that off season when I had that that third knee surgery. Yeah, I couldn't run. I couldn't do it. So I set back all those I saw me eat myself until like and I.
Was trying my hardest.
I don't remember.
I was too ten that one time.
What is your only playoff one ninety about fifteen pounds yeah.
So you got to think that twenty ten season, I didn't have no OTAs, I didn't do anything, but you got no train, say training, and I still went out there heavy as I ever had been and went for a thousand yards. So it hurt.
Did you feel sluggish?
No doubt. I mean I was exhausted, you see. And the only reason why it didn't affect me, you know, far as mentally, is because I knew I had a job to do, and trust me, I was praying, please something happened where I can lose its weight.
Yeah, but it's just it's hard now it's on you know what I mean.
And even much older you in your thirties, Yeah, you say to yourself, like, damn, what I gotta do. So I gotta drastically cut something. And as a player, you're so routine and what you intake. Yeah, during the season off season, I was just on my routine, doing the same thing I had done. But for so many years I never had that break. I didn't, you know, lose the weight. So I look at DBO as one of those guys that if he's not where he can just practice, practice and play without having to sit back and say I gotta, I gotta basically you know, hill up. Yeah, that's where it hurts at for guys like that. And don't get me wrong, trust me also with a guy like Debo, because I went through that, he's gonna be determined to go out here and show everybody because you just traded, don't don't don't don't, don't, don't bank on what you saw last year. He judged me off of that. Every year is the new year for years and we have our ups and downs. We only human too, And I'm pretty sure whatever was what he was dealing with, you know, mentally physically, this year is going to be a refreshing year. Knowing that he have a quarterback like James on the team like this, I'm looking for Debo to come in here, slim and trimming, ready to go.
And because he's a guy that's not known for his route running, I am very eager to see him play with a quarterback that makes plays outside of destructure because when like I realize his where he just lived from, it's all scrupture, like carry on time, You're gonna do this play on time will Well. Jane does a great job of playing all schedule, like giving you a chance to run a second in the third round, and I'm.
Eager to see how Debo plays ended.
Yeah, And I think that's that's a great point because when you watch, I think brock Perty's had a really good year last year. He's he's a good player, you know. But one thing I will say is I think Jade Daniels is tremendously accurate. That's what we talked about a lot.
And one of the things about Debo because he's not the most refined route runner. You know, he's like this is gonna tell like a knock, but he kind of runs routes like a running back a little bit like he's just he's just a big, kind of explosive guy, not super nuanced. But what I will say is there's opportunities like on like little slants and stuff where if you put that ball right.
In front of him, oh nobody's catching, He's going to score a touchdown.
And I think about what Jayden does and how and again, how accurate, how precise he's with the ball, how on time he is his release, and how that's going to elevate the skill set. And so I think this is again I got to just give you know, Adam Peters his flower. He doesn't ney flowers for me, but I always like to talk about him like understanding the player, understanding what he does well, Deebo, I'm talking about and understanding how he fits here. And what I'm saying is like, think about when you get to a more accurate passer in this offense that creates space so well, that seems like just a devastating combination for the league to deal with, and also just an upgrade for Jayden. And so again, like there are some things that people are a little bit concerned about the other one that people have asked me about, So I'm going to bring it up on here. He's as like he slapped a long snapper last year or whatever he did.
You know, that's passion. But I'll tell you this, I slapped a long snap.
I'll tell you this.
Kyle Shanahan has said multiple times he's one of his favorite players ever. And having played with Kyle, like Teddy, you know what I'm talking about. There's a type of competitiveness, yes, that he loves And if and if he says that about Debo, I really don't care. I don't care about because that passion, that's the dog.
That dog mentality is going to be good for this offense, and good.
Because he don't put out a book on the side. But you're right, let's get Peter's prop because this is what I want to say. If you'd have told me at the beginning of the year we was gonna get we would go give up a full for Marshall Lattimore and a feel for Deebo Samuels out of sit You lie, you Yeah, because not because we wouldn't give it up, because they wouldn't accept it. You know, you see what I'm saying. So I want to get him his problem because you've you've added these two players to this roster, one on offense, one on defense, when you know it ain't no guarantee that a fourth in a fifth round to go even make the team, let alone be a start on the team.
Hey, I gotta get your problems right now. That's intriguing himself.
Yeah.
So, I mean obviously works. They're They're like with any anytime there's a trade, there's always questions about the guy coming in and what the value is.
I think this is a really good fit.
Yeah, And the thing I want to just talk we talked about what devo means for Jayden, but I also think it's important to talk about what DEVO means for Cliff, you know, and like, do you guys have any thoughts on because to me, I just look at it and I'm like, this is a perfect player for c offense.
Yees, because when he moves, where's he moving? Where's he gonna end up in?
This guy has the ability to start by the sideline beginning of the snap of the ball and end up at tailback. He could end up at the slot receiver. He can end up running across the formation or playing that tight end, that type that tight end.
I mean, you gotta look at it, man, It's just adding add more value to your offense. You adding a weapon versus you know, like he don't have to necessarily go out there and be a number one. You have number ones all around, you know, I mean you have a terryogic like people up get caught up in the you know, oh is he number one? And number two or three cares He's a dynamic player. That's how all that matters to me. We get in this world with comparing and you know, basically, you know, measuring guys against each other for what what does he bring to this team. He's another weapon that if you don't check him, he gonna check you.
And he's a weapon that's very different, right he has he's very different when like it's a defensive player. Like if you tell me this, they got a number one receiver, we can we can get the Pilsil in paper and we can figure out a way to stop at number one. But if you got a lot of dudes, we can't. We got to play straight up, we got it d like when you got dudes and make it hard as well us to stop.
Yeah, I'm really glad you brought that up, Towner, because it's like Terry, is this excellent like vertical pass catcher, posts, goes deep comebacks, double move high crosses like he's good. Like that's like your true kind of receive skill set.
You know.
Then you got to look at Zach and his ability to win underneath and do some stuff and you say like, man, like those guys can create space for Debo underneath to maximize. And I think the one thing that if I'm Cliff like thinking about like I got excited, you know, it's just making sure you don't you don't force touches to people.
You know what I'm saying, you'll.
Get a good job of it.
You know what I'm saying, great jobat So I think he's fully capable of doing that. But I think there's this temptation to be like, oh, we got this new thing. So if there's one, it's only right, yeah, yeah, the one thing.
Let's make it come on.
Christmas when you open up that new Tah, you know you want to play with some of us opening the way before Christmas.
Put a little hold in there. Listen, sometime you do.
But I think he wants when he does have a tear mclawin, he won't be forced to do it. I think it just it adds to his plate and say, you know what, now I'm versative enough to not have to do it on third and seven.
I don't have to throw past the sticks. I can throw this guy for your.
Pass it he can break the tall I was just thinking about, like some of those looks where they get those double chip looks, and they should put the guy in the flat and imagine giving him that ball with fifteen yards of running room, Like what.
About the rub up route, the crossing route, Like I could just see him catching one, right, now and turning up the field and just looking at a dB right in the.
Face like Coop it the Jean. I can't wait to see you because you know he has this thing with Philidh.
Yeah, so it's perfect way to bring up Philadelphia Eagle right in the building. It's right in and he has this mistake to him. It's a mistake to him of fast and physical and I loved it.
And he's not a J. Brown, but he has a a J. Brown effect.
Yeah.
No, I think I'm excited. And again this is all reported by Adam Scheffer. We're kind of talking. It's not finalized till the trade comes through, but man really excited about it. And I think that that leads us kind of really nicely to our next talking point, which is does this change your draft strategy? Because right now, again because this has not been finalized yet, the only two receivers are Luke McCaffrey and Terry McLaurin on the roster currently, and so obviously you.
Can kind of clump Debo in there.
But if you're if you're putting your GM hats on, and again we were, we're going to defer to Adam Peters. He's going to make great decisions here. But at this point, what what do you think about the need to bring another.
It's so much talent out I'm still going to give me a young guy you have, you have the capital ford and you don't have to necessarily pick a guy up. You can go out there and find a very capable game change of playmaker in this draft and wide receiver in the later rounds. And I've seen a lot of them. We saw this comebine that just passed this weekend. It's it's some guys out there that can really play this game, that can run routes. And you know what I liked about this, this comebine watching these guys in the combine. You remember at one point receivers. That's that just talk about. Since we talked about receivers. You had to be a certain height, you had to have you to look like a receiver. That's no longer here, no more. This this today's offense in the NFL. It's like college. We want fast, twitchy, quick guys that can catch the ball and get missing. So I'm still picking a guy in the draft. It receives us stability to to draft somebody with a high ceiling that's just not there yet. You know what I'm saying.
It gives it the ability to dray up a project, if you know what I mean.
Well, this is the only one to point out too. So there's only two guys on the roster. Three if you can't do But obviously that's still pending. But like I'm trying to remember, you usually you play a season with six, you probably come into camp with about nine. So they have a lot of people that need to fill this out. So they're going to bring in some free agents.
Right, plus my resass on my own free agency, like you just don't know.
And the other thing is, I don't think this precludes you, depending how the rest of free agency goes to say, like let's say, for example, like Golden from Texas for whatever reason, is at twenty nine and I love him, and or Luther Burton and I love him, or insert your the receiver you love at twenty nine. If you love a receiver and he's there at twenty eight game, I don't think this precludes you from doing that. No, no, take it again. I think if you're looking at resources, you say, oh, we can go a different way because we've got.
More talent here.
But I think if what you want to do is kind of short up the roster with free agency, with trades in this part of the season, and then at twenty nine or wherever we're picking, be like, hey, this is a guy that is a commander.
How we compete.
I want to just give us the ability to take best player available. I hope. So I think it does. I think so.
I think it does because the one thing I think the great teams do, they're not a prisoner of need. Like the one thing I can say about Philadelphia, they don't choose four or five guys from Georgia because they have a prisoner that need. I just drafted Jordan Davids last year, but I'm coming back and drafting card.
I'm drafting dressing best players available, and I think.
That's his mindset.
So I think when it comes to the twenty ninth pick, whoever's there, we're gonna take the best player available.
You know.
I think that's exactly right.
And so I do think it kind of again, like everyone says, all this is gonna we don't need a draft the receiver.
If you do a good job in free agency and you fill that thing out, if you like a player.
Just take that player player.
I think that's something I'm really excited to see and why this time of the year is so fun because it's like there's no right way to build a team, but you build it with a good football players.
But it's also who are we building the team to beat?
We're being in this team to beat an individual rivalry, Philadelphia Eagles.
So you know it is you know, it's admitted to the madness if you know what I means.
Yeah, And I think that leads us really nicely into risk it for the biscuit.
Biscuit?
Are we over evaluating the coming I think we're talking about prospects and all this stuff like this is a good time to talk through some of this stuff. And it's presented by Marsha McLennan agency, your partner and risk and People's strategies. So every time the combine comes out, we have our guys that we like, guys that we love, and the combine really bumps people up, bunch people down.
Are we how do you really feel about to come back?
Because I feel like.
It's I'm more of a film guy.
I want to see you great football and if you just happen to run a full eight.
I don't give a damn. I'm just one of them people. I like football players, and I learned more from a film. They're not do from you testing.
God, that just means guys are not all I mean, we all not great testers, you know what I mean. Like we found that out in school. Some guys going to be you know, straight at students, but test, you know what I mean. And so that's how I've always looked the combine. Now it's a I guess you can say this is a great segment for a risk of the you know, risk for the business. Yeah, think about it. If you can test well, yeah, kudos to you. Yeah. If you a guy that's not going to test well, but you know you're a hell of a football player, yeah, the kudos.
To you too.
Now, I hope with that being done or said that it doesn't lower your status. But hopefully when you got these guys who are experts in what their eyes see, they should know good football player when they see one, you know what I mean. It shouldn't be that, oh it's forty wasn't fast enough for me. So I don't know, and you see that we see it all the time. So but the last few years, I have seen certain signs of guys that just didn't run well. Yeah, and at one point the forty was the nd all be off. You didn't run. If you didn't run that forty, well, it was. It was devastating to your status.
We all know how it feels to put our hand on that line and be like my dream rely on what I do in this next four point when you better.
Go blink like I did, put my hand down there. I ain't think about nothing, but I.
Don't think people understand that like I did all of this good football playing, but now it comes down to this four point.
Is what I just gave you four years and now some of these guys five and six years. If I just gave you all these years of film, you can you can. That's why I love the fact that Marvin Harrison Jr. Didn't do anything. He just showed. He set the ball, like, look, man, I just put all this film out there, go watch me, you know, and and if you can't get none of that, then you're not a good.
I'm gonna tell you a player that comes to mind when they when I'm like his film and his workouts don't match, I'm going with the film Peter Warrick. I have I watched Peter Ward dominate college football for years.
Came out, did not run a good.
Forty, and I'm like, yeah, did he play well in the league. Though he did play well, he had ye what they tried to So this is the thing back then, because this is going to show you how the league has changed. Back then, they tried to force them into being a number one outside receive.
You can't.
You can't make some money with him inside.
So let me say this, So I agree with Fred, like ninety percent of your evaluation to be from film, right, But there are thresholds for positions that are irrelevant. So if you're a receiver, that's supposed to like so Kyle no ta jhoneson fifty four, He's not a great example because his GPS numbers are really good. But yeah, like so like there are other things that support that. But like Bryant from Illinois, the receiver, he's sixty three, he's two hundred and ten pounds, he's awesome on film, Like he is a dog competitor.
On film. You ran a four to six five, which is like a tight end time.
So like I know that his ceiling because he's vertical speed isn't there, Like you could be the best football player ever, but physically you can't compete with these with the velocities that we're going to be dealing with here, with the speeds and the accelerations, right and again, so now I'm like, instead of him being a third round pick, I still like him, but there's more risk.
There's more risk.
I'll probably take him in the fifth round because I like the film that much, but I'm gonna move other people up who again fit those physical measureables right a little bit better. And I'm not saying it's the end all be out because the film is still good, right, but you got to make sure that we're showing out and we meet those And so then he ran a four to six nine or four or whatever he ran, but his jumps weren't good.
So all the explosive stuff wasn't there with there.
So I think that's where you kind of use that right With the offensive line, it shows up all the time, Like in the NFL right now, there's only five offensive tackles, five offensive tackles in the last ten years who've played offensive line with thirty two inch arms. So Will Campbell measured at thirty two.
And a half.
So is he going aa have to move to goal? Is you gonna have to move to guard? So there's a reason those thresholders are there. And you talk to people with the combine and no one has one bad word to say about Will Campbell.
They love him. He's a great pall player, he's a great leader.
But he's going to be a good pro.
It's just is it going to be a tackle or a guard? And then where do I value a guard?
Right?
It's very Sam Cosmy, Yeah, I think that's exactly what I would say too.
And Sam Cosby's an awesome I say it.
I think he's a pro Bowl guard. But like you said, thirty two inches, that ain't long enough to make a defense me and run.
The hump, run the hump, and so again, like, even though we all know he's going to be a good football player, just the math doesn't support him playing tackle.
And they dropped him Nicks, like you just say it. The fim is there.
His workout was good, Yeah, great workout, great.
On field work was not there.
And it's a difference between a tackle and the guard. A tackle goes way higher.
Than a goal, I goes so just as a comparison like armand Membu, the tackle from Missouri who was maybe tackle guard. He's six four and a quarter, he's three hundred and thirty two pounds, he has thirty three and a half inch arms, and he ran a four nine to forty.
Yeah, and he looked great on the field.
So now there's talk coming out of any that he's going to be the first offensive lineman taken. But it's not because of the combine. That's that's a data point. His film was good, but now they see the athlete, they say, we feel better about this pick. So and when so, like let's say he goes at seven and Will Campbell goes at ten. They're really the same player. It's just a different level of risk associated.
With the players.
That makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, because you're saying the measurements is there with win, Yeah, and then measurements change the position of the other one.
Yeah yeah, and so yeah, so I'm gonna take And this is a weird thing about the NFL kind of Then Tanna's point, tackles are more.
Valuable than guards.
Yes, so if he's a true tackle, he's gonna go higher. And then the guard who even though he's gonna be a good he could be he could be Zach Martin. Yeah right, that's right, because the value is not there. So I think that's kind of what we're talking about. And again, both gonna be good football players, like there's no doubt in my mind. But again that's where the combine comes in because it helps you meet these minimum threshold numbers. Now, so let's talk about some guys that we thought maybe help themselves hurt themselves. You guys picked some guys to research.
So I start off with Sam Brown, Sam Brown Junior from the yard from the U. I like anything to do that thing, right, No, no, no, honestly I watched I watched a lot of them this year because you know, I was watching my team and when we got him over from Houston, the one thing that I watched any and every time he got a chance to have one on one coverage, he won, you know. And you know when you have a guy that can win, and then he has the height, he has the wingspin, the measurement, and then you go out there and see him compete and and and probably one of the top well I think they said he was with top ten or when it came to times as a wide receiver and all that stuff, all the different other things. He tested that vertical you name it broad.
Yeah, so he was six to two and a quarter, big guy, two hundred pounds, thirty one and five thirty. Yeah, he ran four. He had a forty vertical. He didn't do the broad but like, that's a good worktok on the right on the d I love that we did this, Tanner, because I went. I went to the combine. I watched everybody, but every year somebody just kind of slips through that I don't notice.
I didn't know that he jumped forty one inches.
Yeah, Like that's elite exposing measurement.
When I go back and watch this film, I'm like, dude looks exactly like Noah Brown to me, Like they look very similar.
Me, you're right.
This one came to my mind when y'all started to throw out.
The mid round.
Damn, this is no sun No, no, I mean no. He excelled man like, and it's not. It's crazy because I didn't see the speed or see the gears throughout the season. I just saw him winning, and I care less about how fast it is. If you can separate. That's that's how the battle right there, and that's what you want. But when you see a guy go out there with that size and running four to four, say less.
And I think that was the thing when I went back and watched this film. He's got a little route running nuanced to him. I'm gonna push your vertical. I'm gonna stem your outside shoulder and break across your face.
And then I do have enough juice.
He's kind of a long strider, long strider, and but he walks off on people, you know, and so you're like.
One thing about a loans crowder.
We don't know.
You done got up on us into it is too late and it's hard to kind of gauze you just speed.
Also, the thing that I saw about him doing it throughout the season, you know how guys that have that height have that wind wing spanding like to be real Touchyeah, he's a guy that he can he can do either or he can put his hands on you, run around. He can beat you with his his savviness. And you know, most guys that big don't know how to really double up that much. You know what I mean? You say you have a long stride, he was changing and doing things with his stems that you don't see from big guys. So man, I just think, man, he's one of those guys that impressed everybody.
And I love the tenor brought that up because again there's a guy that wasn't on any of my like preseason lists, right but that's where that's the value of the combine right there. This player like it makes you go back and watch the film and say, man, actually, this guy is pretty good.
Was it because of what I always say? Was his name too regular?
Because I know, like a media, when you have a baby strap, you have the guts around you.
Jakobe George had a He's always been one of my favorite.
So yeah, so do you show boys went out the show their day? Man, we go hold it against shout that, y'all. They won no bowl games and old.
Were going on the list.
So now federal Gover's got three guys.
Listen, James Pierce Jr.
Talk to me about him. This is an interesting one to me for a couple of reasons. So let's talk about.
First of all, you know, when they say, you know, get.
Off the bus guys, he's an get off the bus guy.
It looks good listen, you're talking about pass six four, I mean sixty five and one fourth. I'm gonna put the one four feet tall. That's a tall dude, but he plays with the leverage of a six feet guy. Like the way he turns the hump and runs the hump.
Dumb and knick guy.
Besides some off the field stuff he might be talking about, this is the number one pick in this draft.
Like this guy right here. I watched him at Tennessee.
He's disruptive, he's and I always judge, go get us like him on what do you do not with single with doubles? He dominates double teams because if you used to getting double team because you that dude. He's been that dude his whole life. Now I told you he was six five. Were talking about a four four seven.
Forty crazy and he's two hundred forty five.
Pounds, two hundred and forty four pounds.
This is what I always tell people when I'm walking across the screen to DC and they say it's five seconds to get left to get across the street, and I.
See so many people don't make it.
The first thing he comes to my mind is for these football doing this in four points something sick, and they're doing forty yards, not just not across the street, forty yards. I felt like this dominant and then he went ten. He went ten to three on the bride jump. This is the weird one though, the thirty one inch vertical. That's it's almost my vertical, right, forget what I.
Don't need him jumping.
I'm you know, the girl I want to rush in the past, and maybe basketball was all I say is when it comes to the measurables, But like this, the measurables in the film's match.
How many times do we see it? Don't match?
But this is this is the whole point of the combine. Is you saw it on film? Yeah, and he measures that and he measures the test that way.
Well, guess what they talking about old board from Texas A and m his measurements a very much, Miles Garrett.
But let me say, but he got four sex in his whole career. I was one of the most impressive workouts I've ever seen. So I saw him at the Combine, yeah, and I saw him at the Senior Bowl. That dude, I mean, does the film match though he got four sex in his career?
Looks the part.
I don't care. So let me just say this one bore sex and they have a test. Well, so let me just say, let me say this about it.
He looks good.
So Shamark Shewart is the guy you're talking about Jack saying them and he is. He's like, he's big, dude. He's six y five, he was two sixty seven. He had an eleven eighth broad job, get out of your mind, forty one.
He could jump from one side of weakness.
He was incredible man, and like he got on the field, he only did one drill and I was just like this dude, So I'll say this.
He plays at A and M. He plays and he plays four, I plays three technique, he plays nose. Yeah, so he's.
Playing all spots on the offensive line and this dude's defensive line. This dude's got a motor. Now he has a really high pressure rate, but he doesn't finish the sacks.
So what if I'm a coach, I'm.
If I'm a coach, I can believe I can think I'm gonna say we're gonna.
Finish some of those sacks man, because he looks the part. But again, James Pearce Junior you mentioned some of the offield stuff. Twenty twenty three great year, twenty twenty four bad year. But I do think this is a good kind of Like he gets off the he gets off the ball, He's got great get off, he gets the spot.
He's a really good one.
Him him, I Chama, which one would you take it? If you got both of them? I'm just I'm just accent like the GM Logan pops. I'm taking Logan pops.
You got to do it. The twenty ninth peak we got.
Both of us?
Is the rather the boat there, I'm sprinting, I'm getting I'm getting Deebo. Sam was run this pick up as fast as he can hand it in because it's smart.
Stewart for me. It is your steward for me.
Reshed you that much. I'm at the Senior Bowl. In the one on ones, I was like, he looks like, you know, like when you go to a high school game, you haven't seen the kid and that dude, that dude's going d one. That's how he looked with a bunch of dudes who are going to the league. Yeah, you're just like I want that guy.
That was like that when he was watching them over that stone.
Yeah, he walk over there. You're like, that's the dude. And that's how I feel about it. Man, No, that doesn't mean I don't like James fires Junior. I'm just saying that physical profile.
Listen, that's why X your preference for my preference for you, James F shooter guy.
I just I have watched him terrorize the SEC.
And again last year was a down year for m It was.
Because he had a couple of injuries, a couple.
Of things go on, and they do rotate their defensive defensive live.
But I just seen him play high level football and Stewart. I like Stewart. Like you said, he's a Lamborghini trip. You see him, you want him.
But I want to go with the guy that just does it and continually does it because I've watched the Baltimore Ravens they drafted. Uh, I don't want to Butcher from pn State who had the physical profile and had one two sacks in college.
Now he's and now he has no saxon No, yes, no, he got like four sacks. Like, I can't ask you to go do something you didn't do in college.
That just like me saying I'm finna draft this wide receiver because he running four to three.
They like schmoop.
How many touchdown did they have a college? I'm like two, but he.
Runs the fourth three But so something is missing, so listen.
So I'm glory ready brought that up because I think Tanna's next guy, the receiver from Colorado.
Let's skip the receiver since I did one of them.
Okay, so yeah, well both this is true too. This is a really for you guys watching it home. This next one I think is super interesting. So Tanna, let's hit it off, all right.
I got Trayvon Henderson b a guy number thirty. He's from from the Ohio state. Yeah, he's from the by Richmond. What he weighed in at two.
Oh two bigger than I thought it would be?
Arm arm wing span? What thirty and three fourths? Yeah, no, my bad. Seventy six is arm length? Yeah, seventy six and one eight wing span. He ran a four to four. And we saw this guy play all season long talking about home run hitter.
Nobody catch him.
I mean, so, so you're telling me now that when we watch these guys run these four fourths, they're not getting tested on the football field. So four four if not fast. Yeah, they don't think so though. You know, folks be like, man, he's ran a four fourth you kidding me, I've turned down the trash.
So he ran a four to four three yeah, and that's the electric time. Yeah, but they also give you hand hand they give you the double can time. So we get that because we're cool. We got cool information here.
Yeah, and so easily he's going to run a four to three at his product.
But they had both both scouts yep, so it's very rare that this happens. Both scouts had him at a four three eight and.
You're talking about four three eight hand handclock, Yeah, thirty eight and a half thirty eight point five in vertical jump. Yeah, so explosive. It's all outdoors compact. He's a guy. This game has changed to the point to the running backs now and we saw this last year. Yeah, you know they use a two back system. Yeah. He's a guy that could come in third down and look and make it have cancer Christmas, kiss your babies to sleep, tell your wife you ain't coming back. This is the type of things that this guy doing. He get the ball awaits gill.
I always give receivers and running backs a tenth of a second when they running away from people, just like I always give DB's a tenth of a second added today forty when they chase.
Chasing somebody, like because the forty much faster with the ball in your hand, thank you.
Yeah, so I always get much faster. And this is what this guy is. I hate to say it.
Yeah, he's a souped up version of Echoer like to be honest, bigger, might be a little bigger, might have a little more height on him. I guess you say, well, no, he's five teen. Yeah, yeah, Well the reason why I mentioned them, you know, we're talking about guys who can probably have had, you know, the stock rolls. I don't think his stock went that far up because he was already one of those how they talked about running back. But I just say that bingo, he put a stamp on. He put a stamp on anything and everything you thought he was. You saw him tests, and then when you test like that, to combine, he still has a pro day to go out there and shine. Like I say, he might run those that four to three four three at his pro day, but I think he showed. He showed those scouts and everybody out there that look, you're looking for a gap back to be a game changer. You looking for that guy that could come in on third down. Maybe you give him that toss, maybe you give him that pass at the backfield. He saw that all turn the film on. You saw that all year long, but now you saw it up close in person when it came time to test. Very explosive compact runner and film manages the player. And the crazy thing that stood out to me is you had about thirteen Because you talked about these running backs like last week, Yeah, you said it's about thirty on them that probably get drafted clean up four four. What I'm telling you got all those guys going out there and showing up, and you're putting a stamp on yours. Man.
You know, I'm just for context on that, Like only nine dudes ran below for four last year, and then the year prior of that is only seven.
So like this is a explosive.
Fast Listen, I see the guys tracking because they fast.
And my guy, my next guy.
Absolutely murdered the draft of come By we got. I'm gonna tell you this very intelligent guy, but saying this dude, last name.
It's gonna be you said first, and I'm gonna give you my version.
Nick men worry Nick and Moory.
Wait to match it. Man, this dude showed up there and pull a Derrek Gibson.
See, people don't know the Gipp came out with me had the same as Zack measurements didn't really.
Yes, he did sixty three and one eighth two hundred and twenty.
Pounds all right, seventy eight inch wing space, see that, dude?
You see what these dude?
Yeah, and just so you know, wingspan to me is a good way to see, like how big to do this? Like it's not arm length is one thing, but like how big your check? He's big big.
Listen to me, forty three eight at two hundred and twenty pounds, forty three ten of what you jumped forty forty four to forty five one?
Like you do forty four inches. So I so forty two was the highest you can go. Yeah. I cleared forty one bottom of my palm and they just told me they gave me whatever. So I went forty one.
I was a jumper, Come on, man, that was one hundred and seventy pound.
Yeah, and you know it's so crazy too, because I always bring this up and I don't want to get on me, but it seems like anything that I've done through my draft, you don't see it mentioned. Because I did it that in Miami.
They don't never give what's the problems when you're doing it?
And when you do it now now now they dog on. I mean they have everybody pro Day is live now the top guy. But back in those days when we did us, I rent the fastest forty on my draft, I had the highest part.
It was kind of like so it's like it was kind of like myth. Yeah, it was like when we ain't gonna mention this about Tenna. But it's just like with the they like did he run it for one? Did he want him for like?
Like, so is this it's the myth of it And when you do it at your school, but when you do it at the come by, this is this is this is loud they were.
I think they were still pissed with us because we was back then.
It was were quarter inches wild Roger also in human worries broad jump is crazy too.
Yeah, he went eleven six damn. So he literally liked that.
I mean, that's one of the craziest comment.
He was dead.
So I just there was a statistic. Did they put it on?
They might have put on the TV broadcast, But he was the third player in NFL history. Yeah over six three to jump forty over forty inches for the inches. Then went fur sixte.
You want to talk about skyrocketing. Yeah, his field matches the player.
Yeah. Do you like his film?
I like his field?
So okay, let me say this, like you watch I was watching the Clips game. No, it was the A and M.
It was the A and M game last night. I was watching the last site and he moves around. He's got great ball skills. Yeah, he's a good tackler, right, Yeah, but I just want I know, he's a freak, like you see him moving around, and I just want to, like, my expectation for a guy like this is to be violent to the football. You know, you don't feel like he's bad like what I remember like watching Son Taylor, I remember watching Cam Chancer.
I remember watching these big safeties that are coming to.
Jack you up, to demolish.
He's not really that guy, you know what I'm saying. He's he doesn't do that the same way to those guys he's not.
He will hit you, but he's not urgent.
Is it because today's game is just not as physical?
Maybe you know who I wanted to put on my list and I forgot last night because I was going to put four. What's the kid named from? I can't think. I hate trying to remember somebody's name. He's a linebacker. You like to play safety. He played at for college. He was at USC and he transferred last year. He played with a red and white team. He has some someone you think of him? No, Utah was he You might be Utah might be he won't humbn eight or something like that. You like, but we have to talk about violent. Yeah. Oh it was like looking at Frankie Louis all over again.
Yeah, if you're everybody hit.
Was going the opposite way every time.
Yeah, I can always tell the power movee like, and I'm not saying you need to play like that all the time, but I want you urgently together.
And so again the athleticision shows up on table. He moves really well.
He tracks the ball.
Better than you think.
He really does track him out.
But I just like, I'm like, I want to see you be more violent. Yeah, yeah, sometimes you are like you watch the DV from Kentucky.
Hairston.
Yeah, he's a little dude, but he no, he's violent.
His first step towards he wants to go get he's going down here.
I feel like this dude, so I'll get there on it.
I just I don't know. It's just certain schools I don't trust sometime.
And when it comes to Kentucky, you don't trust it.
Listen, I don't. I don't trust Kentucky.
I mean, sec guy, like I told him when I was playing this for basketball, y'all got blue grays, not green.
I want to say, Fred, you're we're not. We're gonna talking about thirty. Yeah, but those might have been the best guy at the combine.
I thought he, out of everybody, helped himself in to come by. I think Jackson Dart helps himself too, our quarterback from over Miss. But I thought he whatever he was, he went twenty, he went twenty picks up.
This was up all right, last, but not least. And we're talking about guys who kind of either put a stamp on their or their grade or kind of raising my brows or Jimmy Horn, Jimmy Horn Junior from Colorado didn't have that good of a season. I think something happened to him in the middle of season where he was hurt. He was hurt, he was missing for a while. Yeah, But the thing that stood out to me five eight, one eighth, one hundred and seventy four pounds. That's good and that's that's coming in with a little weight on you. And oh man, you're talking about forty time like, so four to four has to be the new four to three because all these guys that ran four to four I ain't seen get touched off all these long Yeah, you know what I mean. I saw this guy catch shallow crosses and take it ninety. I saw him run over, you know, a little deep over us and taking forty to fifty yards and not not be touched. He ran a four four six you said a hand time at the four three nine thirty eight vertical.
So the explosiveness.
Explosive, you know what I mean, ten and six broad, explosive, and I gotta steel match. And like I said, when he's in the open field and then nobody's catching him, I can't wait to see what he does at his pro day. I'm pretty sure he's going to shine. But you know one of the things about their pro d. Do they do it inside because.
Colorado is always cold up there, So no, no that Colorado do it inside the outside.
Is he a slot to you? He's a That's a new thing about this because way outside. I to say to me, the game is wide open now when it comes to how they do offenses. You know the offensive structure far as the receiver position, you don't necessarily have to be a slot. Just play football, spread open. It's it's a spread offense. Now you have the same kind of offense these guys running in college. They done brought it over to the NFL. So I don't want to just pigeonhole him as a slot guy. I think I think he can excel in the slot. Yeah, but I think he can play football. He can play receiver. I saw him running routes on the outside. I saw him get open on the inside. I mean inside. We have to go back to our years when they had the number one guy moving the inside, because you put a lot of these guys down the inside. You know, you can't put your two and three guys, two and three best quarterback on some of these guys. When they got number one potential they want to stay outside. Yeah, so I don't put them. I don't picton hood him as a slot.
Maybe Logan might have a difference when they see five eight automatically say, but.
I play football.
It was funny because, like you know, you watch your guys run, it was okay, you know for six, you know, for six whatever, But then on the field, this dude was get missing, was dealing like I'm saying, like the film, but even on the field work at the combine, yeah, he was one of the different sharpest round runners man. And the stems, the quickness, the like you know, that ability to throw your foot down, crazy hearty out cut like so I actually wrote down multiple times like Jimmy Horn in the field work, it is balling, And so I think that stuff that Tenn is talking about, like maybe you don't test well, but he's checking boxes like he showed you. He's explosive. He might have had as explosive as you thought. But like on the field you see him moving, You're like, this is this is a different cutter guy.
And I like a guy that him and Travis had to go against each other every day at practice like iron chopping and iron like I love when players had to go against another dominant player at practice.
Also just being a dog man. You know he come from Ah. I guess, let me say a background. You know, his father was locked up and I remember him going to speak for his father, you know, tell the judge basically, you know, he would like to see his dad be able to come see him. I don't know if it was his senior day or what it was he was acting for, but when you have that kind of upbringing where you have a you have a you have a fit that wasn't present. A president a part of that, that journey, but he was always present here here. Yeah, you see the difference in those kind of guys. Man, so you're gonna battle test. You know, he's gonna come you know, hungry, you know what I mean. And that's what I like to see. I like to see the hung grand guy. There's so many guys that kind of come from that. You guess. You know I had the background because my dad did it and my mom was a hell of an athlete. So I come out here. This is effortless to me. You get a guy that said, man, it's upbringing wasn't sweet. You know, Prime talked about Prime talked about being that far to figure to a lot of those guys, and he was definitely present in this kid's life and I could just see the hunger. And he showed up at the combine. Like I said before, you know, I can't wait to see what he dos Projay, because I think he's going to excel a little different.
He's gonna be a fun you gotta watch for sure.
Tell Us, I told you I don't really like football players from Kentucky because of that blue gray, but you know I love me a Arkansas raised something like certain schools don't turn down players from the East school Arkansas.
Is one of them, Landing Jackson.
Now, listen, everybody talked trash to him about a year ago because he had the lidrid that he was hitting the uh that was.
Him coming out of high school. There was coming out of high school, and they gave him hell. But what he did to them dummies at the camp lit dummy, you won't talk about Hew to date, the guy six six two ndred and sixty four.
Pounds and he played at the cer ball two seventy.
Five and listen to him, so he lost Wait before the come up a big boy listen, this is.
A big horse right here. He got one of those looks like say he had that he had that ball head. I was looking at him like, hey.
Man, he looked like he was ball here since he was three, telling.
You right now, you know you ain't got lose.
When you come out there. I mean, ball head, His house a baby. This dude right here attitude like Coach Gibbs used to say he's a core commander, but you say the red. I mean, this guy looked like a everything that coach Quinn say he liked in a football player.
This house, chicks the box.
I'm atted two air foot size, physicality, everything you need.
And then he tested crazy too.
And he tested crazy. I ain't even went through the numbers, right.
So he ran a four to six eight and he had a forty and a half forty and a half its vertical and a ten nine broad.
Dude was a two hundred and sixty pounds.
And I'm dude, frank. So when I when I saw it, when I saw it, when I saw this.
My heart fluttered a little bit because this guy plays the game tenna.
Like a absolute man. Yeah, like he's he's running through your face.
Cosby Mex Cosby.
He is Max Cosby junr Junior.
He's a little stiff. He's a little stiff for that shows up in some of the movement stuff five ten five thing. But I don't I really don't care. Man.
He plays hard and these are good athletic meserables. He's big, and he is a violent son of a gun.
And he disrupted and that's what you want from a defensive blieman, and that's what he do. He got a motor Like you can't teach a motor. I could teach you technique. I can loosen him hips up for you, but I can't teach a motor. He got gave moldor this none stop. Sure, he just pushed hisself up hide.
Until one of one of my favorite players in the draft. I kind of thought he was the second round player.
But after testing.
I saw him after the first day of bag drills and they was they was talking, yeah, yeah, I.
Mean he's I mean his film is great too, so but a couple of a couple of like little housekeeping notes here about the comments, So again, do you overvalue it? No, because I think with all these guys, we the numbers kind of support the film or they you know what I mean. And so it's not like we're saying these guys are going to jump up because they take their workouts. Their film's good too. All right, A couple of little house keeping notes here. Okay, So in the two thousand and one draft class, which is Fred and Santana's draft class, Yeah, forty guys ran faster than Fred in his draft class, and Tanna was the fastest guy. He ran a four to three one.
And that's what they gave me. They rounded it because hold, so let me put that in most concepts. We're talking about your forty guy. Let me put it in more the context. So this is how it went down. I told you god, I didn't run the combine. My first forty at my pro day was four three five. My second forty, they had me at four two six four two eight, So they rounded me up to four to three four three one, and I don't understand how you round me up to that.
So by the end of the day I was very similar to him.
Okay, I got that much in there, so you gotta go all the way down to forty. And then so there's Cedric Hodge who was six four two forty four. He ran a four four nine. You know the person who was right ahead of him, who was someone who was five eleven two one seventy two, He ran a.
Four four eight.
His name was Fred Smooth, move futball.
I run a four four eight.
I ran a four to four.
Oh, stop in fact check this man.
First of all, what I'm telling you he is People looked at that oh and thought it was I'm telling you that.
Now they rounded it up, they run it up.
What did they say about that? First though?
They showed him Jason Texans, I know.
Had to be behind this hatred. I knew this had to be hatred. I guess I'll go through London forty in my face too.
Now, well did that show even though he ran thirty eight yards?
Die, He'll let around there.
What did you running? It was a four three five? He ran four three five.
That's movement dog.
I think he was riding in the wheelchairs that way.
Jeral Carroll was trying to get their first NFL into the league.
They did whatever they needed to do.
He ran thirty eight yards. He was benching four waits, Like, what would the school do that? They never had a pro player do anything. They can't you you know what I mean. So we had a dude, do you remember this guy?
We had a quality control guy here in two thousand ten. I don't want say his name because I want to get him in trouble. He's like, he's like kind of famous.
Now, yeah, big guy.
So he.
Went to his college, took the tape measure, tailored out a tenth of an inch for every inch, and the tape measure they measured the forty forty was like five to ten inches shorter because he tailored. But you couldn't tell because he had tailored. I'm all out, Wow, I'm lending in the same thing.
I ain't gonna lie. Well.
When I first got him for my first weight in no lie, I.
Was like, oh I am SKINNYA believe that I'm skinny. I literally put two five pound weights in your in my tights so I could be one eighty like you.
I did it and got right up on it. Thing turned around like herclee what he'd it?
I got right on it.
I'm going IY. So, hey, we've all did DVS. We've all did DV.
Th dude, this is the last story. Then we gotta go. I had a coach in college who told me that you for weait And.
He was really his wig in for the combine. He played linebacker and he wanted to weigh. He really want to weigh two forty, but it was like two twenty five. You know, it was fifteen pounds. So it's like, so what he did is he made like a jock that like went in his butt and it was it was fifteen pounds.
But yeah, so he was to sing the butt checks together like walking around.
It wasn't just to make the weight.
Can you imagine that? I would be like, I'd be like, hey man, I weigh to twenty five.
No, listen, it's I felt because he got realized you got guys getting on that thing dB one ninety five and over there. Then I'm like I can't get over here. It was I gotta do something. And I looked around that weight room and see them five pounds.
Hey, maybe put him in there.
Your way is way more palatable, way more easy. Okay, anyway, let's go do it for today's show. Please make sure you like to subscribe it your podcast. Please leave a comment or please leave questions at that hawk outside at gmail dot com. I can't wait to answer those questions and uh, and Jason said something hate. Fred didn't do a very at the combine. I don't know what overt. You didn't do a vert at the combine.
I didn't do anything at the comeback. Yeah, I got I need everything, Missy mistake. I got the House of the bull Dogs. I brought everybody.
See in my teammate. You're a gret football player. You don't need a lot of kicker.
We're not going to over value your combine and re evaluating your career. You just see it so sensitive about it.
No, because Flitch is a hater. There's one reason I get bad, say.
Nine years in the league and Jay hates all the time.
But that's go do it for today's show. Thanks so much for checking us out.
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