Data teams obsess over pipelines and platforms but often skip the most fundamental step: truly understanding what people are actually asking for. We chat with data librarians Jenna Jordan and Amalia Child who share a framework for exactly that; it's called the reference interview, and it might be the most practical toolkit data teams have never used.

Data teams obsess over pipelines and platforms but often skip the most fundamental step: truly understanding what people are actually asking for. We chat with data librarians Jenna Jordan and Amalia Child who share a framework for exactly that; it's called the reference interview, and it might be the most practical toolkit data teams have never used.

Catalog and Cocktails is the honest, No-BS, non-sales-y podcast about data and analytics. This is your unfiltered chat about everything interesting in data and analytics. Join Juan Sequeda and Tim Gasper to explore emerging topics and hear from thought leaders, practitioners and executives across the data and analytics space.

Catalog and Cocktails is the honest, No-BS, non-sales-y podcast about data and analytics. This is your unfiltered chat about everything interesting in data and analytics. Join Juan Sequeda and Tim Gasper to explore emerging topics and hear from thought leaders, practitioners and executives across the data and analytics space.

Catalog & Cocktails: The Honest, No-BS Data Podcast

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TAKEAWAY - Think Like a Librarian: Why the Reference Interview Is the Framework Data Teams Are Missing with Jenna Jordan and Amalia Child 

There's a gap at the heart of most organisations and data hasn't filled it. Pete Williams, an experienced data leader, has spent years watching companies build sophisticated data capabilities, only to see insight stall before it reaches action. In this episode, we diagnose why: organisations still make decisions along traditional vertical lines, while data sits in a horizontal layer that was never given real authority. AI doesn't solve this misalignment, it exposes it! Pete makes a compelling case for why fixing this structural void is the defining challenge for data leadership today.

There's a gap at the heart of most organisations and data hasn't filled it. Pete Williams, an experienced data leader, has spent years watching companies build sophisticated data capabilities, only to see insight stall before it reaches action. In this episode, we diagnose why: organisations still make decisions along traditional vertical lines, while data sits in a horizontal layer that was never given real authority. AI doesn't solve this misalignment, it exposes it! Pete makes a compelling case for why fixing this structural void is the defining challenge for data leadership today.

The Void Between Data and Decisions with Pete Williams

This is the takeaway episode with Pete Williams, an experienced data leader, who argues that organisations still make decisions along traditional vertical lines, while data sits in a horizontal layer that was never given real authority. Pete makes a compelling case for why fixing this structural void is the defining challenge for data leadership today.

This is the takeaway episode with Pete Williams, an experienced data leader, who argues that organisations still make decisions along traditional vertical lines, while data sits in a horizontal layer that was never given real authority. Pete makes a compelling case for why fixing this structural void is the defining challenge for data leadership today.

TAKEAWAY - The Void Between Data and Decisions with Pete Williams

Juan and Tim have a rant session with a special guest in person, Jesús Barrasa, well known in the knowledge graph space. We covered AI trends, the balance between operational vs. strategic work, knowledge graphs, context graphs. The most valuable part of our rant was our pragmatic discussion about ontologies stripping them down to what they actually are and why they matter.

Starting to work with ontologies? Think about these two dimensions: WHAT (Formal, Explicit and Shared Meaning) and WHY (Interoperability, Automation).

Juan and Tim have a rant session with a special guest in person,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jbarrasa/">Jes&uacute;s Barrasa</a>, well known in the knowledge graph space. We covered AI trends, the balance between operational vs. strategic work, knowledge graphs, context graphs. The most valuable part of our rant was our pragmatic discussion about ontologies stripping them down to what they actually are and why they matter.
Starting to work with ontologies? Think about these two dimensions: WHAT (Formal, Explicit and Shared Meaning) and WHY (Interoperability, Automation).

TAKEAWAY - Think Like a Librarian: Why the Reference Interview Is the Framework Data Teams Are Missing with Jenna Jordan and Amalia Child

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