Erin and Charissa are the ones who need to CALM DOWN after welcoming in some special guests on this week's episode. Actress Cameron Diaz and entrepreneur superstar Katherine Power join the ladies to discuss launching their wine company Avaline, running a company with your best friend and why this Pinot Noir pairs well with fading sunlight and your favorite song. Stick around to find out if Cameron goes back and watches her own movies!
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Calm Down with Aaron and Carissa is a production of I Heart Radio. I also wanted to be like, it's the hottest dude, looks like it's my favorite Cameron, but actually that's not true because Sweetest Things that side top was amazing. Hi guys, welcome to the Calm Down Podcast. I wanted so bad to have those freaking sit back in the rad So good you guys. You'll never believe who is on the Calm Down Podcast today. We will not calm down. Aaron's putting on lipstip. She's getting ready. Katherine Power and Cameron Diaz co founders of Aveline, an incredible clean wine, all organic company that they started. Katherine is an entrepreneur that is a co founder of who would Where? Um? She's also Katherine. If you end up listening to this and you want to run where let me know right. And Cameron, who, as we all know and have loved in any woman um that has a bunch of girlfriends and seen the sweetest thing? You know, we have questions. So we are so excited about this podcast. I need to know if she watches the holiday It's that time of year, it's on every channel, and I need to know, is you law a good kisser? What is happening? Oh? Yeah, he was so hot in that movie hot. I want to already drinking their wine. Yeah, no, I've been drinking it for the last hour. I want to do a quick fan girl of Cameron. I she obviously resonates with you and I because we are the sporty spice girls of the world. Like she always the dancing in the andes um you know, the Brett Farve moment in something about Mary. She just you know, she's surfing, she's hot, she can play volleyball, she was a model. I just I always loved her because I felt like, you know, you see Hollywood, you see girls out there. She was the one. I kind of was like, I want to be her, Like funny, I felt like back in the day, she was the girl all the boys wanting to date. She was something about Mary. She is something about Mary. It's the hot, sporty girl. But it's like beauty a girl's girl did not bees and you just want to be friends with her. I'm very jealous of the fact that she has obviously taken a step out of Hollywood in the limelight to pursue other things like aveline and focus on her family. But I always wanted to interview her. It was at my time at Extra. I was hopeful that there was, you know, a movie that she was going to do so I could sit down with her. But I never got the chance. But today's the day, guys, you're gonna have to get me to calm down because Cameron is my like, she's right up there with my Jennifer Lawrence girl crush and so you love Jennifer Lawrence. I will tell you and full disclosure, guys, we already did the interview, but Aaron I will well, sorry we did, but I will now look like the real asshole. I've just been acting like it's all coming up fine. We asked her about the holiday we did and and stay tuned for that. But one thing I will never tell her because she's been very quiet about it, but it was kind of our Remember, like everything else, I'm in a hotel room and I read that she had finally announced that she and Benji had a baby. However they may have had it, but I just remember that was the day I called my husband and I said, Okay, we need to get serious about this. This is a woman that has been. I don't think she was very open, but I kind of always I think everybody kind of knew, you know. I don't know if it was struggles or whatever, but she wrote something when they announced it, not only please respect our privacy, but something about the joy it brought. And I remember like calling Jarrett and saying, I love Cameron Diaz, like we need to get serious about this and the steps that we're taking. So I would never share that with her, but I feel like that was just something that really really, you know, hit me, and I was like, all right, we gotta move here. Pal. She probably would have. I mean, I know, and you're being respectful of all of that, but if I was her, I'd want to hear that my decisions had impacted someone like you or at least made it and you know, left an impression to help motivate me to get to lack And yeah, yeah, well, because I think the part that really like struck me is like she worked forever, right, and that kind of reminds me of you and I she was just like I feel like it was a Cameron Diaz kind of situation coming out all the time, and she was everywhere, and she's been very vocal lately about taking a step back, taking care of herself, taking care of her family, doing other you know, going down other roads and seeing what she can create like this wine and her clean living and all that. So, uh yeah, I dig her. I love her. Okay, So since Aaron just spoiler alert, we already did the interview. I also know that Kurt are amazing producer is going to have to edit out me just like talking and talking and talking and just shut the up. Correct, No, you were good. You were to have a tendency when I get nervous and I really like someone, I want to be like, we we're friends, right, We're we're friends. It's like, just just let her talk. I just I just I just wanted to like reach out to the producer and be like, God, they seem great. I'd love him to come over. Another thing is, if you guys want you have to check out the YouTube of this because my smile it's like when I interview like a Jeter a Brady, it just went like ear to ear, like she got the big quarterback third baseman shortstop smile. You know. Well, I also want Catherine's brain, her entrepreneurial brain. I do too. I am in awe of very successful women who are also down to earth, and they are all of those things. They lived up to the expectation, and I was so happy to know that she knows how we feel about the Sweetest Thing because that movie has provided so much joy in my life. Is Jamie there? Hello? Is Jane there? Uh? Coming up? After the break, we interview Catherine Power and Cameron Diaz. Aveline is their clean Wine. We already did the interview in joy. Thank you how much for being here. Our podcast is called Calm Downs because Aaron and I have been friends for a hundred different years, and sometimes we have to remind ourselves to just bring it down a notch because we get very loud and animated about all things. We were so excited to have you guys on here to talk about Aveline and your friendship and just women empowering women. So thank you so much for stopping by the Calm Down Podcast, love it, Thanks for having us. Thank you. So we're talking about girlfriends and your how did you guys meet through one of her best friends and my sister in law, Nicole, And was it love at first sight or what you probably knew a lot about each other. But what I mean you just hit it off right away. Well, when I started dating my husband, my now husband, we started going to you know, all the parties and gatherings and holidays, and Catherine and Nicole have been friends for what like twenty years, and so she was always there and we just kind of found ourselves gravitating towards one another, kind of sitting off to the side, fine and having some wine and talking about our houses and how we wish that we were just sitting in our We're both home bodies. We you know, we're both home bodies. We love you know, relaxing at home and you know, being home and posting people at our house. You know, Cameron is an amazing chef. M amazing chefs. I don't cook anything, um, but we both love wine. And we got together a lot around wine and with our community and friends that usually was around wine. And you know, we're you know, we try to live a very you know, wellness conscious lifestyle, and you know, saw that everything in our life had gotten a bit healthy or a bit cleaner, you know, whether it was trading groceries for organic or you know, skin care products for clean or household products for not toxic. And you know, we were sitting there drinking wine and we thought, God, we drink so much wine, and do you think we do? You think like, is it just great? You know, na thinking it was just like fermented grapes, and then we're like, are they organic? And we turned the bottle around and we were reminded that wine is one of the only consumables where you have no ingredient list, you have no nutrition facts. So, you know, we honestly just started asking questions about the wine making process, you know, and how the grapes were grown and all of these things, and you know, we were pretty shocked by what we learned. You know, all of the you know, additives that could be added you know, legally during the winemaking process without disclosure, the fact that most wines are not organic. Yet we're making this big deal about eating organic food. So we tried to put our juice isn't necessarily organic, right you you you you probably want to give your kid like organic juice, right, So it's not that different, you know, And we started trying to find, you know, what we considered to be cleaner wine, which first and foremost meant that it was made with organic grapes and there was you know, really low to no additives and it was really hard to find. And we live in the mecca of wellness, so if it was hard for us to find, must be hard for everyone else. I wanted to know how many bottles deep were you when you had this epiphany? Oh my god, what are we drinking? Because you know, when you have the best ideas, when you're like, how much have we had? It was funny because it was around like one glass and trying to figure out if we were going to have a second because we were like, I never feel good after the second class. Is it worth it? You know? Like I think it was like on a Sunday and we both had, you know, the Monday morning of it all, and we were just like should we even do this? And we're like, god, it would be so great if we could drink more wine without feeling terrible, And how can we do that? And what can we like maybe would make our own wine and add something to it and make it better for us, you know, better for you and quotation marks and we realized once we sort of, as Catherine said, we like kind of dove into the winemaking process to see, well, maybe what can we do, And I mean it's kind of silly to add anything to like, you know, we talked about maybe like doing probiotics or something like that, and we were like, oh, well, it's fermentation, like like it already is microbes, you know what I mean, Like it is already happening, Like that's what we did. We were like, wait, oh right, that doesn't make a lot of sense, you know. Um. But then we're like when we found out that it was what we didn't add to it that made it better for us. Um, So it was quite the opposite. And so you know that was where one glass of wine served us. We're on it. You know, when you have you think about like all these amazing ideas, and you guys are both entrepreneurs, but then you think to yourself, like, why didn't I think of that? Or why has it taken me this many years to ask the question what's in my wine? If for the you know, a decade plus, we've all been so much more cognizant, as you mentioned Catherine of beauty products and laundry detergent and everything like that, and so when you know, we were excited to have you on here and Aaron and I were just talking like why have we been so oblivious to this up until this point? So it's awesome that you guys have brought all into the table. And where did the name? Where did the inception of the name come from? You know, it's funny because, like in a lot of um, wine is a very specific category to like a mindset. You know, we've all been consuming wine based off a very sort of narrow viewpoint of what makes wine good or why we want to drink wine. And you know, it's and it's been forever, and it's been created and sort of cultivated by a certain and in a culture that's dominated by white males, you know, and they say it's you know, good with the steak or you know, the vintage, which is all important stuff and it's important to us too, and and a lot of aspects um. But the I mean it's very important to us as wine, you know, the wine, where we get our wine from, what our wine tastes like, because all of that is absolutely you know, is why our wine taste good is because of tara, because of the vintage, all those things that do make great wine. But there wasn't any language or connection to other aspects of consumption that would qualify it for somebody to to to want to consume it. Right, So in our world of clean drinking or eating, there was no conversation about that because it wasn't important to those who had created the the the sort of culture around wine for so many decades um and so we kind of took outside of that, We took it to our qualifications for consumption. What we knew as consumers was important to us, and we knew that it was important to a lot of other people. One because we just everybody around us and just marketplace. And what Katherine has done for the last two decades of her life of creating, you know, as an entrepreneur and her clean makeup, you know, her merit and verse being you know, clean skin and makeup lines. This is the world that she exists in and every day as an entrepreneur and where I exist in as a consumer, and she also obviously as a consumer in there as well. But we realized that that conversation just wasn't being had. It wasn't having had with us, you know, no conversation we didn't fit in. And we knew that if we wanted to go and find these wines now like now that we know they exist and we know that wine is being made this way, and it's not just an idea we came up with, but something that's centuries old. There's a traditional way of making wine that doesn't use these additives that we The hardest part for us was, as Katherine said, is to identify it. There's no transparency within the industry. There was no way to identify. We couldn't see it on the shelf, and we couldn't go to the website and find out if it was grown with our you know, may organically grown. Great. Why why are they not regulate? Why is it not regulated? Like I didn't have to be t not f d A. It's t t be not f d A. So there's no, it's not food and it's not the Food and Drug Administration. M okay. So interesting. We resonate with you guys, and relate so much. We work in sports, male dominated and then when we were reading your story and you guys walk in and you have this idea and you're kind of questioning. I can only imagine the looks, the comments, I mean, give us some of the craziest, Like I'm just thinking of these guys that have been in the industry forever, and they're like, lady, you're not gonna come in here and change just Chris. So we've never heard that metter like, do you guys even like sports? Really like sports? So bored with that question. So I imagine that there was a lot of resistance when you're walking into this. You guys are like, we live, eat, and breathe this, and you're gonna ask us if we like it. Yeah. I didn't get married till I was bored. He still don't have a baby. No, I just you know what, I just I'm bored on the weekend. You know. But what were people saying to you guys? But any crazy stories, because I can only imagine. I think it's just so interesting. You know, when we started the process of exploring clean wine, creating aveline, which was I mean at this point three and a half years ago, almost four years ago, we would go into our normal restaurants, grocery stores, hotels we'd stay at, and we would ask do you have any organic wine, or do you have any clean wine or you know, natural wine, whatever it was, and people would roll their eyes at us. They would say, you know, it's they would either say it's all organic or we don't know what which ones are organic. They don't put it on the bottle because historically, if you are a wine brand and you put organic on your label, you would end up in a weird section of the grocery store. So even the wine that is organic, it's often it's not disclosed. So, you know, I think at that point we started to see our own behavior shift. I started to see a lot of young women asking the same questions, you know, around adult beverage, and we just knew that it was going to start to become a thing. It was the next category people were going to focus on. And so you know, now going through this process, three and a half years later, Ablie's in over five thousand stores across the US. It just exceeded all expectations. And now we go back to the same stores and the same restaurants and there are sections dedicated to you know, natural organic wine, and you know, so I ink that's super validating. And at the end of the day, like we we knew we were going to disrupt this very old industry and that we were okay with that. You know, we knew we would get you know, the real wine critics complaining and saying, you know, wine's not dirty, and all the things they've said. It's the same thing I went through when clean beauty started, truly, And you know, but when there is such a consumer pull for something, they cannot ignore it. You know, the retailers cannot ignore it, the distributors cannot ignore it. And that is truly what has happened with you know, aveline is that you know, it is struck such a chord with consumers that the industry is now having to to follow suit. And I think, you know, we hope that we you know, our mission is really to champion this kind of wine, right, to make this kind of one more prevalent in the market. So it's a really an invitation to the rest of industry to start disclosing, you know, what's in their bottle, to grow with organic grapes, you know, just to um, you know, really add as little as possible, right to make this delicious wine what I loved. And Cameron, you had referenced it. You said like, oh that you know this wine pairs well with a steak or you know, you hear a lot of pairings with food and wine. But what and again, the consumer in me is gravitates towards the beautiful bottles, the colors. But also I love it, you guys wrote pairs well on the rose, pairs well with the warmth of the sun and the company of your best friend. And you know, wine is such, uh, you know, brings people together. But also as evidence by the origination of your guys company, ideas come from spending time with your girlfriends. And you know, Aaron and I decided to start this podcast because we've been friends for so long and like we're like, these are the conversations that we just have with each other, let's just, you know, start a podcast. But it's this idea of you want to spend as much time with your friends as you can, and if there's a business that comes from that, that's even more incredible. But there's also the other side of starting a business with your friend. Have you what have challenges have you guys found and how are you able to navigate that with one another because you were so close. But then there's the business element of it as well. So we you know, Cameron and I have different experience, different strengths and weaknesses, and I always think when you are combined with someone who has like complementary skill set, it's always a plus, right, But you know, we are both focused on the same mission, and to us, that's all that matters. So as long as we stay focused on that, everything else just sort of falls into place. And I just think we know each other well enough to know when she feels super strongly about something, you know, we do it. Or if I do, you know, we do it. But for the most part, we really have complementary skill sets. You know, if one of my partners always says our skills were a ven diagram, there would be very little overlap, and I think that's a key to success. But really, you know, we're focused on the same thing and it's been great were we don't we get this question a lot? And frankly, like, you know, we're two pretty emotionally, you know, sound people who have had a great experience working together and who you know, it's not fun to drink alone. I mean, why would you want to create a In fact, I have a rule, don't drink alone. It always ends badly. And then yeah, so I love that. No, we've had a lot of fun with it. It's like we find ourselves in the South of France at a vineyard, eating a ham sandwich and drinking a glass of rose, looking at vineyards, going like, yeah, this was the right I was gonna say. Aaron and I end up in Marina del Rey and we're like, well, this is got a lambo field and it's twenty degrees at death. I mean, what am I doing? Career choices? This is all wrong. This may be for the dumb people out there, raise your hand. I will. But so I remember talking to my sister when I got the box. When you guys said it, it it was so fabulous, and I was like, oh my god, you've got They've got this wine. And my sister said, well, that's the wine that you don't feel bad, right, And I said, well, there's more to it. You know. It's all about organic, it's all. And I didn't even know the whole story about what you guys said. Why didn't we think about what we were putting in our body? If they are using what you guys are using, if it's organic, Chris, you said something about like they're not even washing the grapes with the pesticides. But this helps you with the whole hangover process and not feeling like absolute garbage. Well, we're we've personally we're not. We can't make any claims, all right, it's just that's not But personally I feel better when I drink a wine made from organically grown grapes and has have very little additives I personally have found. And that's why I was so excited to bank our own wine is because, as you were saying, you know, with grapes, it is not a common practice to wash the grapes prior to wine making. It is about for me, pesticides, right, so that pesticide just ends up inside of the wine making process. So anything grown with pesticides I don't want anything to do with. As well as concentrates. So why we say no concentrates is because also concentrates usually use for like a sweetener, and if you're using color or color, and if you use a concentrate that's not organic, then you're getting concentrated sugars and sugar. For me, like as always, if I have too sweet of a wine, you know, I always end up feeling terrible the next day. So for us, we just didn't want that sugar content. We wanted organic. Great, and the additiveshistic goes in line with wanting something clean, like I don't eat food that I don't I can't pronounce, you know, occasionally I'll eat you know something, It's not like it never happens, but like on my daily consumption, I want to be able to know that what I'm you know, putting into my body is closed a whole as possible. What's the biggest thing you guys have learned through this process, Because again, it's one thing to have an idea and and Catherine, as Cameron is outline, you have an incredible background in entrepreneurship and the success of brands that you have founded or the CEO of So you have this idea, and a lot of people have ideas, but then what's that next step, Like how do you even get started? We were truly starting at ground zero. You know, it's I know how to put a business together, but entering the alcohol business is like learning a foreign language. It is so different than any other like the fundamental structure and laws are so different than any other kind of category. And what we did it truly is just meet with anyone we could find who was remotely connected to that industry. And we just started taking calls and meetings and just asking a ton of questions and trying to apply that to what we already knew about starting a business or setting up a brand for what path we wanted to take, because there was a lot of things that we were told that we couldn't do or that or they told us how things were done, and Captain and I knew that we didn't want to do it that way, and so we had to figure out like how what was already structured and what everyone who we were talking to was telling us that we had to do. First, we were kind of like going, so, what's the next step? Was the next step? And then when we got like the tenth step down, we were like, oh, that's where we're starting. Yeah, yeah, And and so because we knew where we wanted to to take it and um, and we knew how quickly we wanted to get there, and so the timeline that we were sort of being given about how to we could make a brand in the want in this category successful wasn't what we were looking for. We really wanted to know how to get it into stores right away, how to build it up two hundred thousand cases, how quickly we could do that. And so you know, we just every time we would hear something that pointed in that direction for us, within the sort of confines that we were being given, um and sort of the status quo, we would go, Okay, let's jump to that. Let's find the next person who could kind of like help us there, and then we would get to them and sort of dig in on it on there, and then we would just keep sort of jumping to where it was that we feel, um, we could then align ourselves for this how we saw the business sort of launching and um, you know, and the the progress of it over the last for us almost what is it almost two years or a year and a half now, Yeah, that we've been in market. But you know, we you know, Aveline is not you know, we don't consider it to be like a celebrity wine brand. This was you know, a soil to glass project. So we basically tracked down winemakers that we love that we know create the taste profile that we really respond to, and just beg them to custom blend a wine for us to fit the needs of Aveline. And so you know, we virtually and then actually knocked on doors um at these beautiful you know vineyards in Europe, and you know, I think it had to convince them to take a chance on us, right, Like, we don't come from a multigenerational winemaking family. We are commercially you know, successful people in the United States. Like it's it doesn't always translate to that industry. So I think we had to earn the trust of those winemakers, and then the people that got it have been you know, we're so like grateful that we could bring that much business to them. You know, they've already been making these beautiful wines for generations and having their own label, their family businesses, and now we've been able to shine such a light on the way that they've been producing their wine for hundreds of years and bring them so much business and really change their lives in a lot of ways. So that's been really really rewarding. And we are growing our supply chain across Europe and in the US, and you know, want to continue to champion wine makers like that. We really wanted to um you know, with we have our core wines and then we have our direct consumer wines that we're doing more sort of limited friends on different bridles because our core wines are blends that are you know, sort of everyday wines, so we don't put the bridle on the bottle or the vintage, but our core are limited run wines will be more more specialty wines and specific barridles, like we have a delicious peanut wi drink po more and it's just I'm literally like, how many cases do we have? What does that? What's that label gonna say? It's a very good like everyday wine. The only thing is like on our core wines we use a screwcap so far on our bridles online we have a cork. So it's one of those things which is fine, Like I like to drink a bottle over like a few, you know, over the week kind of thing. I don't that like opening it and downing it for the evening. But the peanut wire, we say pairs well with fading sunlight and your favorite songs. That's so sweet. Well, Aaron, Aaron was that we were you know, we were talking about and she was like, twist off, because I mean, there are many times that cork gets like I'm breaking the cork and it's like a whole thing. A lot of benefits to that. But as I was listening to you guys speak it just it. You know, Aaron started this very successful clothing company. I'm trying to start this interior design company. And it's it's other facets of what we do for our day job, but it's you know, grown from love and from passion and this need or void in the market. And all that said, you know, listening to you guys, and obviously you have you know, incredible resources and success in your respective field. So certain doors open or kind of open quicker for you. But you still need the help of so many people and these incredible families that you're mentioning, these big yards, you know, and how you've changed their life and business is transactional and so I imagine it brings you so much. Joe Way to think about the impact that your guys idea has now had on you know, the domino effect because of a singular idea, than can then have you know, a greater effect overall, not only on health but also monetarily. Yeah, And it's also you know, for us being able to just bring the information to the consumer like ourselves, you know, to let them know like you actually do have a choice in this category, like there's you may not know this, but check it out. You know, this is what we learned. And being able to give that information that opens it up to a whole again, it's an invitation, right. So now winemakers who have been making wine like this for generations may have not known that that's something so valuable to their product. If they wanted to you know, market that, then they it's there for them now they have they have an example of how it works. You know, Um, there's gonna be a lot of wine brands that don't want to have that transparency because you know, it proves our point. You know that there are there are you know, different uh additives that could be utilized in the way making process that certain you know, certain group of consumers in that category do not want to drink so that would exclude them. So there is a choice and so that also feels really good. Is there anything what's next? I mean you mentioned the Pinot noir. I was thinking, you know, since you've changed my life with the wine and made it organic, anything you could do with the chicouterie board because that's my jam with the wine. Help the cheese not get on my thighs and bee cheese, you know, like anything you got me there. Well, I think that that's all in moderation. True, there's really difficult to um. You know, we're really excited about what we have coming out. We we did just launch a few limited edition i ums on drink Auveline dot com um that are going to be available for the holiday seasons. We definitely check that out and UM yeah, we're pretty much in every retailer where where wine is sold, so so try to pick them up, um wherever you live. Yeah, that's awesome. Good for you guys. I know you guys have a lot of things to do, but I would be remissed if I didn't ask. You know, Katherine, you and Cameron have been friends for years now, but growing up, you know, Cameron was the person that you felt like you always wanted to be the girlfriend with. You are the the every day I've always wanted to drink. But live up to the hype, I mean, like even I mean walking to this day, walking up a hill, I'm like, I'm walking my ass up this hill, and I do it in your cadence. And I was on the plane the other day and I was watching the holiday and you just have been the backdrop to so many incredible memories in our lives. Um, and I imagine as you, you know, sit there next to your girlfriend. Oh yeah, do you have wait, Karen, do you have a character that you closely related to? No, you know, I think that it's like, um, it's it's all the characters are. Of course, obviously there's a part of the in it. It's it's through my filter, right, Yeah, it's that, you know, So that's there's something there. But now I don't. I think for the longest time, I felt like, I don't know if you guys ever saw being John Nakovich. Of course I always felt most like Matty, Like I felt the most comfortable playing Lotty than any other character's Phone Love with you very early, but where you actually like stole my heart and it was like this girl understands me. Was just your relationship with Brett Farve and that was my favorite quarterback. And then there was a part of me that had a hard time separating, like we are they together because it's like, no, very jealousy, it's a movie. This is fick. But yes I was very favre, like very oh god, all of it. Yeah, that part really really that was such a funny. That was such a funny twist. You know it was right to fair Brothers. Yes, yes, so much fun. Okay, this is the last question I'll ask. If you're flipping through the channels and the movie of yours comes on, do you stop and watch it? Because right now the holiday is everywhere, as it is this time of year, will you watch it? Really? I don't watch my own I don't I watch my movies for like the premiere, and then I never see them again. This time of year, I'm so tired. I'm so sick of being away from my family. But I will tell you we did a Kansas City game a couple of weeks and it wasn't even Christmas and the holiday was on, and I was like, I feel at home. Like I was like, thank you Jesus, She's on my TV. So god, there was actually there was one time where I was flipping through I don't really watch TV, you know what I mean. Like I'm one of those people too that I kind of like just goes to the content that I want. But I think that I turned on something and there was a Charlie's Angels to Dance scene and I stopped it. I was like, oh my god, Nancy Javone, who was our producer on the movie. She's in there for like she seconds, and I like I stopped on it because I was like, oh my god, Nancy, and I was like, oh wait, this is true true. Oh yeah, I saw myself and I was like, oh yeah, I'm too. Okay. Um, what we are taking seriously is you, guys, this is an incredible, incredible gift you have given to not only us, but everyone who needs to be more aware that there is an option for clean wine. Thank you for bringing it to our attention and giving us an opportunity not to have a hangover in the morning because shares to that. I mean, thank you so much, you guys, you were amazing. Thank you. Calm Down with Aaron and Carissa is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. M