Returning guest Emily Crawford is the Principal Psychologist at Nest Psychology and has more than 20 years of experience as an Educational and Developmental Psychologist supporting adults, children, adolescents, and their families with various mental health issues (including OCD). She is also a 'Tuning in to Kids' facilitator and a mother of four.

In this episode, Emily discusses the postnatal period for mothers and opens up about her experiences after childbirth. She explores the challenges mothers encounter before and after birth and the importance of supporting mothers and building communities so mothers can care for their babies.

This episode is part one of our two-part chat with Emily. Keep an eye out for part two, where Emily shares how to help mothers experiencing mental health difficulties in the prenatal and postnatal periods.



Resources and links:


Nest Psychology website


Webinars, books, and training by Melbourne Wellbeing Group


OCD training workshops by Dr Celin Gelgec


OCD focused supervision for healthcare professionals with Dr Celin Gelgec



Connect:


https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/


http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

Returning guest Emily Crawford is the Principal Psychologist at Nest Psychology and has more than 20 years of experience as an Educational and Developmental Psychologist supporting adults, children, adolescents, and their families with various mental health issues (including OCD). She is also a 'Tuning in to Kids' facilitator and a mother of four.
In this episode, Emily discusses the postnatal period for mothers and opens up about her experiences after childbirth. She explores the challenges mothers encounter before and after birth and the importance of supporting mothers and building communities so mothers can care for their babies.
This episode is part one of our two-part chat with Emily. Keep an eye out for part two, where Emily shares how to help mothers experiencing mental health difficulties in the prenatal and postnatal periods.
 
Resources and links:
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<a href="https://nestpsychology.com/about-us">Nest Psychology website</a>
</li>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/training-psychology-ocd-workshops-ocd-training">Webinars, books, and training by Melbourne Wellbeing Group</a>
</li>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="https://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/training-ocd-workshops">OCD training workshops by Dr Celin Gelgec</a>
</li>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="https://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/supervision-ocd-treatment">OCD focused supervision for healthcare professionals with Dr Celin Gelgec</a>
</li>
</ul>
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a>
</li>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a>
</li>
</ul>

Why strong support networks are vital for mothers throughout and after pregnancy

We’re continuing our discussion about ambivalence. Ambivalence is when a client feels conflicted about treatment, either consciously or subconsciously, and can throw up stopping blocks in treatment. In the last episode, we looked at how to spot ambivalence and tackle it when you see it.

In this episode, we discuss the importance of motivational interviewing in exploring patient emotions and understanding how OCD plays into a patient’s identity. We also examine the role of patience and adaptability in treatment and how critical it is to address ambivalence through commitment, creativity, and curiosity.



Resources and links:


Million Steps for OCD Awareness Walk information


Webinars, books, and training by Melbourne Wellbeing Group



Connect:


https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/


http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

We’re continuing our discussion about ambivalence. Ambivalence is when a client feels conflicted about treatment, either consciously or subconsciously, and can throw up stopping blocks in treatment. In the last episode, we looked at how to spot ambivalence and tackle it when you see it.
In this episode, we discuss the importance of motivational interviewing in exploring patient emotions and understanding how OCD plays into a patient’s identity. We also examine the role of patience and adaptability in treatment and how critical it is to address ambivalence through commitment, creativity, and curiosity.
 
Resources and links:
<ul>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/million-steps-for-ocd-awareness">Million Steps for OCD Awareness Walk information</a>
</li>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/training-psychology-ocd-workshops-ocd-training">Webinars, books, and training by Melbourne Wellbeing Group</a>
</li>
</ul>
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a>
</li>
<li dir="ltr" aria-level="1">
<a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a>
</li>
</ul>

Tackling ambivalence with commitment, creativity, and curiosity

What happens when a client wants to change but doesn’t know where to start, doesn’t want to do the work, or is in some other way conflicted? Ambivalence. Ambivalence is normal during therapy but can hinder a client’s progress if left unaddressed.

In this episode, we discuss some telltale signs of ambivalence in clients, understanding where ambivalence comes from, and how to work through it when it happens.



Resources and links:
Webinars, books, and training by Melbourne Wellbeing Group



Connect:
https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/
http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

What happens when a client wants to change but doesn’t know where to start, doesn’t want to do the work, or is in some other way conflicted? Ambivalence. Ambivalence is normal during therapy but can hinder a client’s progress if left unaddressed.
In this episode, we discuss some telltale signs of ambivalence in clients, understanding where ambivalence comes from, and how to work through it when it happens.
 
Resources and links:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/training-psychology-ocd-workshops-ocd-training">Webinars, books, and training by Melbourne Wellbeing Group</a><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/webinars-books-and-training-psychology"></a></li>
</ul>
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a></li>
</ul>

Identifying ambivalence and how to tackle it

This episode is the final part of our two-part chat with Natasha Daniels. Natasha is a Therapist specialising in anxiety and OCD in children and created AT Parenting Survival to help the parents of children living with anxiety and OCD. 

In our last episode, Natasha shared how she got into working with children, how to adapt ERP for young people, and the importance of rapport, fun, and play in therapy. 

In this episode, Natasha opens up about why she loves working with the parents of children with OCD and anxiety. She explains how she works with parents and shares her helpful tips for helping kids with OCD and anxiety while they’re at school.



Resources and links:
AT website 
AT Parenting Survival School website
AT Parenting Survival School on Instagram
Natasha Daniels on YouTube



Connect:
https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/
http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

This episode is the final part of our two-part chat with Natasha Daniels. Natasha is a Therapist specialising in anxiety and OCD in children and created AT Parenting Survival to help the parents of children living with anxiety and OCD. 
In our last episode, Natasha shared how she got into working with children, how to adapt ERP for young people, and the importance of rapport, fun, and play in therapy. 
In this episode, Natasha opens up about why she loves working with the parents of children with OCD and anxiety. She explains how she works with parents and shares her helpful tips for helping kids with OCD and anxiety while they’re at school.
 
Resources and links:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.anxioustoddlers.com/">AT website </a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://atparentingsurvivalschool.com/">AT Parenting Survival School website</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.instagram.com/atparentingsurvival/?hl=en">AT Parenting Survival School on Instagram</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuoDSSCePQ6xkbi2FJNm9kA">Natasha Daniels on YouTube</a></li>
</ul>
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a></li>
</ul>

The crucial role of parents in treating anxiety and OCD in children

Natasha Daniels is a Therapist specialising in anxiety and OCD in children. Natasha is the creator of the AT Parenting Survival website to provide parents with advice for helping their children living with anxiety and OCD. Natasha has drawn on two decades of experience to create a YouTube channel and a podcast and has also written several books.

In this episode, Natasha reveals what drew her to working with children and teens with anxiety and OCD, as well as their parents. She discusses how to adapt ERP for younger clients, the significance of building rapport, and how to incorporate playfulness and creativity into therapy.

This episode is part one of our two-part chat with Natasha. Keep an eye out for part two, where she’ll focus on one of her biggest passions: working with the parents of children with OCD and anxiety.



Resources and links:
AT website 
AT Parenting Survival School website
AT Parenting Survival School on Instagram
Natasha Daniels on YouTube



Connect:
https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/
http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

Natasha Daniels is a Therapist specialising in anxiety and OCD in children. Natasha is the creator of the AT Parenting Survival website to provide parents with advice for helping their children living with anxiety and OCD. Natasha has drawn on two decades of experience to create a YouTube channel and a podcast and has also written several books.
In this episode, Natasha reveals what drew her to working with children and teens with anxiety and OCD, as well as their parents. She discusses how to adapt ERP for younger clients, the significance of building rapport, and how to incorporate playfulness and creativity into therapy.
This episode is part one of our two-part chat with Natasha. Keep an eye out for part two, where she’ll focus on one of her biggest passions: working with the parents of children with OCD and anxiety.
 
Resources and links:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.anxioustoddlers.com/">AT website </a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://atparentingsurvivalschool.com/">AT Parenting Survival School website</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.instagram.com/atparentingsurvival/?hl=en">AT Parenting Survival School on Instagram</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuoDSSCePQ6xkbi2FJNm9kA">Natasha Daniels on YouTube</a></li>
</ul>
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a></li>
</ul>

Building rapport and having fun is crucial for treating children with OCD and anxiety

Perfectionism. It’s a complicated trait that shows up a lot when working with OCD. It can present in a range of ways and can look like self-loathing, anger, people-pleasing, or even a strong sense of doubt and uncertainty in clients.

In this skills episode, we dig into how perfectionism can manifest in a client, how it might present in a session, and how to address it when it does.



Connect:
https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/
http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

Perfectionism. It’s a complicated trait that shows up a lot when working with OCD. It can present in a range of ways and can look like self-loathing, anger, people-pleasing, or even a strong sense of doubt and uncertainty in clients.
In this skills episode, we dig into how perfectionism can manifest in a client, how it might present in a session, and how to address it when it does.
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a></li>
</ul>

Perfectly imperfect: Spotting perfectionism in OCD treatment and how to address it

This is the final part of our chat with  Associate Professor of Psychology and convenor of the clinical psychology program at the University of Melbourne, Dr Brett Deacon.

In our previous conversations with Brett, he explained safety behaviours, accommodation behaviours from family and clinicians, and how accommodating behaviours that reduce discomfort can limit the efficacy of treatment for clients with OCD.

In this episode, Brett expands on how clinicians can balance moving too quickly or too slowly in ERP. He also explains how he uses one simple and kind of gross demonstration in the classroom to teach future clinicians the importance of being bold and unafraid when working with clients.



Resources and links:
Purchase ‘Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practice’ here
Dr Brett Deacon at the University of Melbourne
Dr Brett Deacon on LinkedIn



Connect:
https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/
http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

This is the final part of our chat with  Associate Professor of Psychology and convenor of the clinical psychology program at the University of Melbourne, Dr Brett Deacon.
In our previous conversations with Brett, he explained safety behaviours, accommodation behaviours from family and clinicians, and how accommodating behaviours that reduce discomfort can limit the efficacy of treatment for clients with OCD.
In this episode, Brett expands on how clinicians can balance moving too quickly or too slowly in ERP. He also explains how he uses one simple and kind of gross demonstration in the classroom to teach future clinicians the importance of being bold and unafraid when working with clients.
 
Resources and links:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.guilford.com/books/Exposure-Therapy-for-Anxiety/Abramowitz-Deacon-Whiteside/9781462539529">Purchase ‘Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practice’ here</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://findanexpert.unimelb.edu.au/profile/1021099-brett-deacon">Dr Brett Deacon at the University of Melbourne</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brett-deacon-669371263/?originalSubdomain=au">Dr Brett Deacon on LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul>
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a></li>
</ul>

How to find the right balance in discomfort during ERP

George Habib is a Clinical Psychologist and Associate Director of Wellbeing Services at the University of Melbourne. Alongside this role, he's been working in his own clinical practice for over 25 years. His work, deeply rooted in trauma support and symptom interpretation, has shaped his leadership in health services and legal aid.

In this episode, George tackles the clinician’s role in structured OCD treatment, highlighting the necessity of addressing deep-seated triggers. You’ll discover how a clinician’s strict adherence to protocols could influence the therapeutic journey. You’ll gain insights into how various therapeutic modalities can be integrated to effectively navigate the complexities of OCD treatment.



Connect:
https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/
http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

George Habib is a Clinical Psychologist and Associate Director of Wellbeing Services at the University of Melbourne. Alongside this role, he's been working in his own clinical practice for over 25 years. His work, deeply rooted in trauma support and symptom interpretation, has shaped his leadership in health services and legal aid.
In this episode, George tackles the clinician’s role in structured OCD treatment, highlighting the necessity of addressing deep-seated triggers. You’ll discover how a clinician’s strict adherence to protocols could influence the therapeutic journey. You’ll gain insights into how various therapeutic modalities can be integrated to effectively navigate the complexities of OCD treatment.
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a></li>
</ul>

Unlocking flexibility in OCD therapy

In our last episode, Associate Professor of Psychology and convenor of the clinical psychology program at the University of Melbourne, Dr Brett Deacon, explained the concept of safety behaviours and how to manage them in OCD treatment.

In this episode, Brett dives into the data behind safety behaviours and accommodations. He expands on how making more accommodations can impact treatment and how clinician accommodations can be as limiting as parental or familial accommodations.



Resources and links:
Purchase ‘Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practice’ here
Dr Brett Deacon at the University of Melbourne
Dr Brett Deacon on LinkedIn



Connect:
https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/
http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

In our last episode, Associate Professor of Psychology and convenor of the clinical psychology program at the University of Melbourne, Dr Brett Deacon, explained the concept of safety behaviours and how to manage them in OCD treatment.
In this episode, Brett dives into the data behind safety behaviours and accommodations. He expands on how making more accommodations can impact treatment and how clinician accommodations can be as limiting as parental or familial accommodations.
 
Resources and links:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.guilford.com/books/Exposure-Therapy-for-Anxiety/Abramowitz-Deacon-Whiteside/9781462539529">Purchase ‘Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practice’ here</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://findanexpert.unimelb.edu.au/profile/1021099-brett-deacon">Dr Brett Deacon at the University of Melbourne</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brett-deacon-669371263/?originalSubdomain=au">Dr Brett Deacon on LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul>
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a></li>
</ul>

The impacts of accommodating safety behaviours on OCD treatment

Dr Brett Deacon is an Associate Professor of Psychology and convenor of the clinical psychology program at the University of Melbourne. Brett has worked in the field of psychology for over 15 years with a focus on exposure therapy for anxiety and OCD. He has published many papers on therapist barriers to exposure therapy and strategies for overcoming them and is a co-author of ‘Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practice’.

Throughout the next three episodes, Brett explores the role of clinicians in exposure therapy and how their feelings could be holding back the client.

In today’s episode, Brett addresses safety behaviours. He digs into what they are, the safety behaviours we all engage in, and how to manage safety behaviours when treating OCD.



Resources and links:
Purchase ‘Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practice’ here
Dr Brett Deacon at the University of Melbourne
Dr Brett Deacon on LinkedIn



Connect:
https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/
http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/

Dr Brett Deacon is an Associate Professor of Psychology and convenor of the clinical psychology program at the University of Melbourne. Brett has worked in the field of psychology for over 15 years with a focus on exposure therapy for anxiety and OCD. He has published many papers on therapist barriers to exposure therapy and strategies for overcoming them and is a co-author of ‘Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practice’.
Throughout the next three episodes, Brett explores the role of clinicians in exposure therapy and how their feelings could be holding back the client.
In today’s episode, Brett addresses safety behaviours. He digs into what they are, the safety behaviours we all engage in, and how to manage safety behaviours when treating OCD.
 
Resources and links:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.guilford.com/books/Exposure-Therapy-for-Anxiety/Abramowitz-Deacon-Whiteside/9781462539529">Purchase ‘Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practice’ here</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://findanexpert.unimelb.edu.au/profile/1021099-brett-deacon">Dr Brett Deacon at the University of Melbourne</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brett-deacon-669371263/?originalSubdomain=au">Dr Brett Deacon on LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul>
 
Connect:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/">https://www.melbournewellbeinggroup.com.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/">http://www.drcelingelgec.com.au/</a></li>
</ul>

How to manage safety behaviours during exposure therapy

Breaking the Rules is a show for mental health professionals designed to help you build confidence in treating Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). Effective treatment of OCD requires commitment, creativity and the recognition that things can sometimes get a little … messy. And on the show, you’ll hear from a range of leading professionals and learn everything there is to know about OCD and other related mental health concerns. This podcast is brought to you by Melbourne Wellbeing Group, a psychology practice based in Melbourne with a special focus on treating OCD.

Breaking the Rules is a show for mental health professionals designed to help you build confidence in treating Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). Effective treatment of OCD requires commitment, creativity and the recognition that things can sometimes get a little &hellip; messy. And on the show, you&rsquo;ll hear from a range of leading professionals and learn everything there is to know about OCD and other related mental health concerns. This podcast is brought to you by Melbourne Wellbeing Group, a psychology practice based in Melbourne with a special focus on treating OCD.

Breaking the Rules is a show for mental health professionals designed to help you build confidence in treating Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD).

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