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All right, a busy weekend in the world of boxing. We have another knockout from Tank Davis, a new belt for David Benavidez, and a new champion in the one hundred and forty pound division. Great time to catch up with Lance Pugmeyer Boxing Scene dot Com, pay per view dot Com. He was ringside in Las Vegas this past weekend for Tank and Benavidez. I was ringside in Puerto Rico for the fight between super Real Matias and Liam Paro. So we've got both coasts, so to speak, covered Lance.

All right, a busy weekend in the world of boxing. We have another knockout from Tank Davis, a new belt for David Benavidez, and a new champion in the one hundred and forty pound division. Great time to catch up with Lance Pugmeyer Boxing Scene dot Com, pay per view dot Com. He was ringside in Las Vegas this past weekend for Tank and Benavidez. I was ringside in Puerto Rico for the fight between super Real Matias and Liam Paro. So we've got both coasts, so to speak, covered Lance.

We're we're good here on that.

We're we're good here on that.

So why don't we start with your event and the one you were at covering for payperview dot Com. You know, Tank Davis just kind of keeps rolling along, and a lot of these Tank Davis fights start to look somewhat similar, where you know, early on an opponent of Tank has some success, but eventually Tank figures him out and then stops him, sometimes oftentimes violently.

So why don't we start with your event and the one you were at covering for payperview dot Com. You know, Tank Davis just kind of keeps rolling along, and a lot of these Tank Davis fights start to look somewhat similar, where you know, early on an opponent of Tank has some success, but eventually Tank figures him out and then stops him, sometimes oftentimes violently.

What did you think of Tank's performance?

What did you think of Tank's performance?

I think you know, look, there was some concern about Tank coming into this fight off of a fifteen month absence and the fact that he was fighting a undefeated guy who knew how to box, and I think you saw that in the first four rounds. It was like Tank had to digest a lot of information and process it. But then as soon as he started throwing his heavier blows, it definitely discouraged the interests of Martin to go in there and box the way he had been fighting in the first in those earlier rounds, and that gave Tank the ammunition to really, you know, get a lot closer and then start throwing and landing the heavy artillery. That really, like I said, diminished Frank Martin and led to the knockout in this neutral corner where Tank spent a lot of time just hammering him.

I think you know, look, there was some concern about Tank coming into this fight off of a fifteen month absence and the fact that he was fighting a undefeated guy who knew how to box, and I think you saw that in the first four rounds. It was like Tank had to digest a lot of information and process it. But then as soon as he started throwing his heavier blows, it definitely discouraged the interests of Martin to go in there and box the way he had been fighting in the first in those earlier rounds, and that gave Tank the ammunition to really, you know, get a lot closer and then start throwing and landing the heavy artillery. That really, like I said, diminished Frank Martin and led to the knockout in this neutral corner where Tank spent a lot of time just hammering him.

Yeah, And whenever I see the fighter have success against tank early I never really get worked up about it one way or the other, because how many fights now have we seen where a tank opponent will will have those moments early on out box him a little bit early on, whether it's Ryan Garcia, Hector, Luis Garcia. You could even argue Roly Romero was okay early on before he got knocked out. Eventually, the result the same tank lands some kind of big shot.

Yeah, And whenever I see the fighter have success against tank early I never really get worked up about it one way or the other, because how many fights now have we seen where a tank opponent will will have those moments early on out box him a little bit early on, whether it's Ryan Garcia, Hector, Luis Garcia. You could even argue Roly Romero was okay early on before he got knocked out. Eventually, the result the same tank lands some kind of big shot.

In this case, he was two big shots.

In this case, he was two big shots.

It was kind of that uppercut that did a lot of the damage early on. And then the left hand or the right hand she said, was it left in right? I forget, But whatever it was that put him away at the end, it kind of reminded me a little bit watching it on tape of the the Canelo Kovalev fight. You remember Canelo wobbled Covalv badly, put him out with I believe it was a left hand, then finished him off with a straight right.

It was kind of that uppercut that did a lot of the damage early on. And then the left hand or the right hand she said, was it left in right? I forget, But whatever it was that put him away at the end, it kind of reminded me a little bit watching it on tape of the the Canelo Kovalev fight. You remember Canelo wobbled Covalv badly, put him out with I believe it was a left hand, then finished him off with a straight right.

That's just what Tank does.

That's just what Tank does.

His ability to finish is rare amongst these lower weight class fighters. In a way, he kind of reminds me of Deontay Wilder in that it doesn't really matter where he's positioned on the scorecards. He's just able to find a way to solve his opponent. And his power punching at one thirty five and below is basically unparalleled. So good win for Tank Davis on that one. And of course, now with Tank, it's always about who he's going to fight, right like, you know, look, he's gonna be thirty years old in November, and if there is a criticism of Tank Davis, it's that he hasn't faced what we would consider an elite opponents. He had a good win at one thirty over Jose Padraza that probably stands as the best in ring win of his career. He stopped Ryan Garcia last year that was probably the most hype that was the most high profile win of his career, and then he beats Frank Martin. Frank is I would put Frank as a top ten guy at one hundred and thirty five pounds, but I had one win over Michelle Rivera. It didn't look that great in his last time out. We wouldn't consider him elite. I don't think at at one thirty five. So now we look at the list of potential opponents. I gotta tell you, Lance Like, there's never been a better time for Tank Davis to fight a quote top guy than right now. If he wants to stay at one thirty five, Chaquar Stevenson, we know is going to be a free agent after this July sixth fight with top rank. He's going to be available to sign with whoever he wants and fight whoever he wants. I was surprised here Bob Aram talking about the Lomachenko Davis fight. That seems to be something that, at least in a preliminary nature.

His ability to finish is rare amongst these lower weight class fighters. In a way, he kind of reminds me of Deontay Wilder in that it doesn't really matter where he's positioned on the scorecards. He's just able to find a way to solve his opponent. And his power punching at one thirty five and below is basically unparalleled. So good win for Tank Davis on that one. And of course, now with Tank, it's always about who he's going to fight, right like, you know, look, he's gonna be thirty years old in November, and if there is a criticism of Tank Davis, it's that he hasn't faced what we would consider an elite opponents. He had a good win at one thirty over Jose Padraza that probably stands as the best in ring win of his career. He stopped Ryan Garcia last year that was probably the most hype that was the most high profile win of his career, and then he beats Frank Martin. Frank is I would put Frank as a top ten guy at one hundred and thirty five pounds, but I had one win over Michelle Rivera. It didn't look that great in his last time out. We wouldn't consider him elite. I don't think at at one thirty five. So now we look at the list of potential opponents. I gotta tell you, Lance Like, there's never been a better time for Tank Davis to fight a quote top guy than right now. If he wants to stay at one thirty five, Chaquar Stevenson, we know is going to be a free agent after this July sixth fight with top rank. He's going to be available to sign with whoever he wants and fight whoever he wants. I was surprised here Bob Aram talking about the Lomachenko Davis fight. That seems to be something that, at least in a preliminary nature.

Has been discussed.

Has been discussed.

And of course, if he wants to go up and wait, we've got Isak Cruz fighting at one forty defending his title on August third. We know the history between those two guys. That would be a chance for Tank to fight a in a new way class for another for a real title one four that's the title of the Cruise ultimately has.

And of course, if he wants to go up and wait, we've got Isak Cruz fighting at one forty defending his title on August third. We know the history between those two guys. That would be a chance for Tank to fight a in a new way class for another for a real title one four that's the title of the Cruise ultimately has.

What do you think of the options that Tank has right now?

What do you think of the options that Tank has right now?

Look, I think he kind of sent a pretty strong message that he considers himself a lightweight at this point. I mean he weighed in at one hundred and thirty three point four pounds. He actually said like, I am a lightweight and he's he embraced the idea I asked him as the first question I asked him after him talking about the fight, is like, who do you want next? Is lama Chenko?

Look, I think he kind of sent a pretty strong message that he considers himself a lightweight at this point. I mean he weighed in at one hundred and thirty three point four pounds. He actually said like, I am a lightweight and he's he embraced the idea I asked him as the first question I asked him after him talking about the fight, is like, who do you want next? Is lama Chenko?

Find?

Find?

He said, yes, absolutely, So that's a fight. Look, I know I can remember talking to Ilamachenko about five years ago when he fought at the Staple Center, the former Staple Center, and he said he had his eyes on Tank Davis then. So it makes all the sense in the world with Lamachenko coming off that the victory over Cambosis, the way he did it so impressively with the knockout, Let's make this fight in November. It's a It's a slam dunk. I mean Tank, Yes, Shakur Stephenson is a possibility. But I think from Tank's a standpoint, he's like, look, this guy is coming off a real stinker where he kind of basically you know, eluded the eluded, the evated the action, and he said, everyone in this press room knows how that fight would would play out. With Shakur doing a lot of running not having a lot of action. The Loma Chenko fight is guaranteed action and it's a guy at age thirty six, you know, who looks who looks very strong at this point, who wants this fight as well. So I hope that that's the fight that they can make for probably late fall, would be ideal. You've got, you know, the promoters from both sides are at least uh involved in initial negotiations. So let's see where it leads.

He said, yes, absolutely, So that's a fight. Look, I know I can remember talking to Ilamachenko about five years ago when he fought at the Staple Center, the former Staple Center, and he said he had his eyes on Tank Davis then. So it makes all the sense in the world with Lamachenko coming off that the victory over Cambosis, the way he did it so impressively with the knockout, Let's make this fight in November. It's a It's a slam dunk. I mean Tank, Yes, Shakur Stephenson is a possibility. But I think from Tank's a standpoint, he's like, look, this guy is coming off a real stinker where he kind of basically you know, eluded the eluded, the evated the action, and he said, everyone in this press room knows how that fight would would play out. With Shakur doing a lot of running not having a lot of action. The Loma Chenko fight is guaranteed action and it's a guy at age thirty six, you know, who looks who looks very strong at this point, who wants this fight as well. So I hope that that's the fight that they can make for probably late fall, would be ideal. You've got, you know, the promoters from both sides are at least uh involved in initial negotiations. So let's see where it leads.

Now.

Now.

As someone that's covered the game for a long time and has been Charlie Brown to Boxing's Lucy in situations like this, are you buying this because we're still talking about Bob Aram and Al Hayman, and yeah, they've done.

As someone that's covered the game for a long time and has been Charlie Brown to Boxing's Lucy in situations like this, are you buying this because we're still talking about Bob Aram and Al Hayman, and yeah, they've done.

Some business in recent years.

Some business in recent years.

The Tyson Fury Deontay wilderste fight was a you know, top rank PBC production.

The Tyson Fury Deontay wilderste fight was a you know, top rank PBC production.

You can go back, there's been a couple of more or as well.

You can go back, there's been a couple of more or as well.

But generally speaking, you know, these two sides do fights that are in house. And when I heard Bob say that, it kind of made me scratch my head because, yeah, you don't have Shakur under contract after July, but if you were going to keep Shikor, wouldn't a Lomachenko fight be the nice carrot to dangle in front of him? You know, Shakur wants to become undisputed at one thirty five, loman now has a title after beating up on George Campbosis like that, it just doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

But generally speaking, you know, these two sides do fights that are in house. And when I heard Bob say that, it kind of made me scratch my head because, yeah, you don't have Shakur under contract after July, but if you were going to keep Shikor, wouldn't a Lomachenko fight be the nice carrot to dangle in front of him? You know, Shakur wants to become undisputed at one thirty five, loman now has a title after beating up on George Campbosis like that, it just doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

Lance, did did it make sense to you?

Lance, did did it make sense to you?

You're too cynical, Chris.

You're too cynical, Chris.

No. Look, I mean, look, we all know that Bob Aaron could easily be saying like this is a negotiating ploy to get Stevenson to fight loman X and you know, keep him, keep him in house. I understand that, but he also he also mentioned the names of a name of Tank Davis. So I think let's, uh, you know, let's follow this down the road and see where it goes. I know, I'm planning to talk to Bob maybe later today, later this week, and see you know if he's how serious he is about it. But I do believe that it's the best fight to make next for Javonte Davis. I mean, Javonte came off, like we said, that long layoff and looked very sharp. Getting the knockout again. To put him in there against Lomachenko would be an ideal bout for for all of us to see. So I can't wait to see it, and I hope it happens.

No. Look, I mean, look, we all know that Bob Aaron could easily be saying like this is a negotiating ploy to get Stevenson to fight loman X and you know, keep him, keep him in house. I understand that, but he also he also mentioned the names of a name of Tank Davis. So I think let's, uh, you know, let's follow this down the road and see where it goes. I know, I'm planning to talk to Bob maybe later today, later this week, and see you know if he's how serious he is about it. But I do believe that it's the best fight to make next for Javonte Davis. I mean, Javonte came off, like we said, that long layoff and looked very sharp. Getting the knockout again. To put him in there against Lomachenko would be an ideal bout for for all of us to see. So I can't wait to see it, and I hope it happens.

Yeah, I think it's a good fight.

Yeah, I think it's a good fight.

And you know, look, Loan was not what he used to be, but Loon was still really good and Loan was not going to fall into the same traps that Frank Martin did.

And you know, look, Loan was not what he used to be, but Loon was still really good and Loan was not going to fall into the same traps that Frank Martin did.

Loan was too smart. Lomas sets traps, he doesn't fall into tramps.

Loan was too smart. Lomas sets traps, he doesn't fall into tramps.

And I think if your top rank, maybe you can, you know, make a fight between Chicor and Dennis Baranchik. You know, a guy that now has a title at one thirty five. That's a winnable fight for Shikor. And then you know, after Loma against Tank and Chikor against Baranchik, if Tank and whoever is still say whoever comes out of that Loma you know Tank fight, it's a major fight. For Shea cour Stephens, so I could see some of that at play. It's just like you know, whenever, whenever, I've been burned too many time, and so of you like getting dealing with promoters talking about doing cross promotional fights that will involve multiple networks.

And I think if your top rank, maybe you can, you know, make a fight between Chicor and Dennis Baranchik. You know, a guy that now has a title at one thirty five. That's a winnable fight for Shikor. And then you know, after Loma against Tank and Chikor against Baranchik, if Tank and whoever is still say whoever comes out of that Loma you know Tank fight, it's a major fight. For Shea cour Stephens, so I could see some of that at play. It's just like you know, whenever, whenever, I've been burned too many time, and so of you like getting dealing with promoters talking about doing cross promotional fights that will involve multiple networks.

I don't know. I don't know. I'm skeptical. I still think of I wass a betting man.

I don't know. I don't know. I'm skeptical. I still think of I wass a betting man.

I think we see Shakoor against Loma before the end of the year and Tank against esak Cruz, which is an in house fight for for PBC to make as well. A side note to the Tank fight, we saw Leonard Ellerby there with Tank Davis. And Leonard has been by Tank side either as his promoter as part of Mayweather promotions or kind of a consigliary you know, of some sorts to work with him since he split with Mayweather. Now we learned this week that Mayweather and Leonard Ellerby have parted ways. What did you make of that? You know there was there's a note from Mayweather on his social media account where he said something to the effect of, uh, you know, Leonard's gonna spend more time with his family, like as opposed to what like it's not like Mayweather Promotion is doing fights all around the world. With all due respect to Leonard, He's not Eddie hearn, you know, flying coast to coast and across the globe to do these big events. What did you make of the Mayweather Leonard Ellerby split, Chris.

I think we see Shakoor against Loma before the end of the year and Tank against esak Cruz, which is an in house fight for for PBC to make as well. A side note to the Tank fight, we saw Leonard Ellerby there with Tank Davis. And Leonard has been by Tank side either as his promoter as part of Mayweather promotions or kind of a consigliary you know, of some sorts to work with him since he split with Mayweather. Now we learned this week that Mayweather and Leonard Ellerby have parted ways. What did you make of that? You know there was there's a note from Mayweather on his social media account where he said something to the effect of, uh, you know, Leonard's gonna spend more time with his family, like as opposed to what like it's not like Mayweather Promotion is doing fights all around the world. With all due respect to Leonard, He's not Eddie hearn, you know, flying coast to coast and across the globe to do these big events. What did you make of the Mayweather Leonard Ellerby split, Chris.

I'm going to tell you the story, and you know some of the parties, so you probably will believe this story and how petty it was. Tank Davis apparently put on some social media that he likes working with Leonard Llerb but does not like working with Floyd Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather saw that did what he did with replacing Leonard Llerb with Richard Schaeffer and now and then later put out a post saying that Tank Davis fight is canceled. And so the parties connected to this were beside themselves as this being a new low in how petty Floyd Mayweather can be. But those events did apparently happen, according to multiple people who I've talked to, and it is it is. It was very interesting because actually there was minutes after I've got to tell you the story, I mean, minutes after the whole thing took place, Bob Aaron walks into they had an event to celebrate one hundred championship fights at MGM Grand and I said, Bob, did you hear the news? And he says, no, what And I said, Leonard Ellerby's out at Mayweather Promotions And he's like, oh my gosh.

I'm going to tell you the story, and you know some of the parties, so you probably will believe this story and how petty it was. Tank Davis apparently put on some social media that he likes working with Leonard Llerb but does not like working with Floyd Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather saw that did what he did with replacing Leonard Llerb with Richard Schaeffer and now and then later put out a post saying that Tank Davis fight is canceled. And so the parties connected to this were beside themselves as this being a new low in how petty Floyd Mayweather can be. But those events did apparently happen, according to multiple people who I've talked to, and it is it is. It was very interesting because actually there was minutes after I've got to tell you the story, I mean, minutes after the whole thing took place, Bob Aaron walks into they had an event to celebrate one hundred championship fights at MGM Grand and I said, Bob, did you hear the news? And he says, no, what And I said, Leonard Ellerby's out at Mayweather Promotions And he's like, oh my gosh.

You know twenty years da da d.

You know twenty years da da d.

You know, you think about everything that's transpired, right with Leonard taking Floyd's side when some heavies came after him and roughed them up.

You know, you think about everything that's transpired, right with Leonard taking Floyd's side when some heavies came after him and roughed them up.

Yep.

Yep.

And so I'm telling him the whole story.

And so I'm telling him the whole story.

Well, like at the end of the People by the way people Blatz, people should google that story. We won't tell the whole tale now, but how Leonard basically protected Floyd twenty some odd years ago.

Well, like at the end of the People by the way people Blatz, people should google that story. We won't tell the whole tale now, but how Leonard basically protected Floyd twenty some odd years ago.

Look it up if you want to see it.

Look it up if you want to see it.

So I'm telling the whole story.

So I'm telling the whole story.

Well, I turned around Leonard deller Bey standing right behind me, and I'm like, oh hey, Leonard, what's going on? But Leonard was there and he says, look, Lance, I'm gonna be fine. Everything's good, Da da da da. He's got He basically feels good that he's moved on from Floyd Mayweather to you know, you can make the case boxing's next superstar Tank Davis and you know who does Mayweather Promotions have at this point. I mean, that's the greater, very young, talented permel Moton, but not a whole lot else. And Richard Schaefer spoke to him quickly right after that. He you know, he's very excited about what they can accomplish together, but there is a lot of work to do.

Well, I turned around Leonard deller Bey standing right behind me, and I'm like, oh hey, Leonard, what's going on? But Leonard was there and he says, look, Lance, I'm gonna be fine. Everything's good, Da da da da. He's got He basically feels good that he's moved on from Floyd Mayweather to you know, you can make the case boxing's next superstar Tank Davis and you know who does Mayweather Promotions have at this point. I mean, that's the greater, very young, talented permel Moton, but not a whole lot else. And Richard Schaefer spoke to him quickly right after that. He you know, he's very excited about what they can accomplish together, but there is a lot of work to do.

We look, if Floyd Mayweather wanted to be a major promoter, he could do it because he is still one of the most recognizable people in boxing. You know, I was there in twenty sixteen in Rio when Mayweather popped in. I think he took like a yacht down to Rio to check out some of the young guys. Think Shukor was one of the guys he was after at that time, and it was like, you know, the President came into the auditorium like he is still a massive star. The problem is, it takes a lot of work to be a promoter. You've got to go oh to these small events. You've got to humble yourself to a degree to sign these young fighters, like you know, there's a reason that people like Eddie Hearn and Bob Aarum and Frank Warren kind of these non combatants have been so successful as promoters. They don't have the history in the ring that guys like, you know, like guys like Floyd and Oscar, Like Oscar's done a very good job building Golden Boy promotions, but we both know most of that work has been done by Eric Gomez and Robert Diaz and the people that Robert Caspari and the people that are in that office on a day to day basis. Don't think Mayweather has the appetite to be a major promoter. Yeah, kerml Mouton is a very good fighter. I'm sure we're going to see him develop on these Al Hayman shows. But I don't think handing the reins to Richard Schaeffer and relocating the headquarters to southern California is going to make one damn bit of difference as long as Floyd is basically indifferent to being a promoter.

We look, if Floyd Mayweather wanted to be a major promoter, he could do it because he is still one of the most recognizable people in boxing. You know, I was there in twenty sixteen in Rio when Mayweather popped in. I think he took like a yacht down to Rio to check out some of the young guys. Think Shukor was one of the guys he was after at that time, and it was like, you know, the President came into the auditorium like he is still a massive star. The problem is, it takes a lot of work to be a promoter. You've got to go oh to these small events. You've got to humble yourself to a degree to sign these young fighters, like you know, there's a reason that people like Eddie Hearn and Bob Aarum and Frank Warren kind of these non combatants have been so successful as promoters. They don't have the history in the ring that guys like, you know, like guys like Floyd and Oscar, Like Oscar's done a very good job building Golden Boy promotions, but we both know most of that work has been done by Eric Gomez and Robert Diaz and the people that Robert Caspari and the people that are in that office on a day to day basis. Don't think Mayweather has the appetite to be a major promoter. Yeah, kerml Mouton is a very good fighter. I'm sure we're going to see him develop on these Al Hayman shows. But I don't think handing the reins to Richard Schaeffer and relocating the headquarters to southern California is going to make one damn bit of difference as long as Floyd is basically indifferent to being a promoter.

I just it was.

I just it was.

Look, Floyd also promoted the UFC event that weekend on a social media feet, so he was The pettiness was real. That was real, Lance, no doubt about that. On the undercard, you had David Benavitez making his debut as a full fledge one hundred and seventy five pounder taking on Oligender Vostik didn't look like the destroyer we've seen in his campaign at one sixty eight, but still won a pretty wide decision over Vostik, who was making a comeback after losing his titles or his title I should say to Archer better BF several years ago, what did you think of Benavitez's performance.

Look, Floyd also promoted the UFC event that weekend on a social media feet, so he was The pettiness was real. That was real, Lance, no doubt about that. On the undercard, you had David Benavitez making his debut as a full fledge one hundred and seventy five pounder taking on Oligender Vostik didn't look like the destroyer we've seen in his campaign at one sixty eight, but still won a pretty wide decision over Vostik, who was making a comeback after losing his titles or his title I should say to Archer better BF several years ago, what did you think of Benavitez's performance.

Look, I thought that it reminded me at in points of how Canelo Albare has looked against Dimitri Beevill. You know, like the power was not the same as he landed those big blows on Vostik. Vostik that really not really didn't flinch or back up or wobble or anything like that as the one hundred and sixty eight pounders who would take those same shots from Benavitez have in the past. So that was clearly in play. And then Benevitez after the fight, I think we all know we've never heard excuses from David Benavitaz, so he deserves the benefit of doubt. He says, Look, I had a ligament issue in my in my right arm, I had and he showed the hand the left hand was all swollen up. You know, I've got this injury with the left hand, and then he had a he got suffered a minor cut also in the last couple of weeks of training, and that cut reopened during the fight.

Look, I thought that it reminded me at in points of how Canelo Albare has looked against Dimitri Beevill. You know, like the power was not the same as he landed those big blows on Vostik. Vostik that really not really didn't flinch or back up or wobble or anything like that as the one hundred and sixty eight pounders who would take those same shots from Benavitez have in the past. So that was clearly in play. And then Benevitez after the fight, I think we all know we've never heard excuses from David Benavitaz, so he deserves the benefit of doubt. He says, Look, I had a ligament issue in my in my right arm, I had and he showed the hand the left hand was all swollen up. You know, I've got this injury with the left hand, and then he had a he got suffered a minor cut also in the last couple of weeks of training, and that cut reopened during the fight.

Now you put a picture of that on social media too, Like he showed the stitches that weretten the left eye.

Now you put a picture of that on social media too, Like he showed the stitches that weretten the left eye.

So he wasn't he wasn't himself. But I also think that he he was dealing with that jump up and wait till one seventy five and it was you know, you had an opponent in Vostik who showed up amazingly fit. I mean, he was in better shape than the Benavidez as. These guys took their shirts off for the way in, and he was You can even make the case too, I mean he kind of approached this fight as like a last stand that he wanted to re emerge in the division and get an opportunity to maybe fight either better Beave again or bevil. So David Benavide's got it's the victory, like you said, by a pretty wide decision, and he has both of these options before him. It's going to be very interesting to see which one he really chooses and how the WBC treats this issue.

So he wasn't he wasn't himself. But I also think that he he was dealing with that jump up and wait till one seventy five and it was you know, you had an opponent in Vostik who showed up amazingly fit. I mean, he was in better shape than the Benavidez as. These guys took their shirts off for the way in, and he was You can even make the case too, I mean he kind of approached this fight as like a last stand that he wanted to re emerge in the division and get an opportunity to maybe fight either better Beave again or bevil. So David Benavide's got it's the victory, like you said, by a pretty wide decision, and he has both of these options before him. It's going to be very interesting to see which one he really chooses and how the WBC treats this issue.

Well, that's a side note. And I talked to Benavitez about this. I'm sure you did too. Like the WBC has treated David Benavitez like shit. They have treated him terribly. Like David Benavidez, what was it, almost two years he was the interim champion, the mandatory for Canelo Alvarez, uh and not once did they order it. They just cowtow to whatever Canelo Alvarez wants and do not act with any kind of integrity when it comes to David Benavitez. I mean, look, the IBF's out there ordering William Skull, like you know, the IBFS ordering William Skull. The WBC won't order the fight that everybody wants to see, like maybe Canalo still doesn't take it, but at least it's ordered, and you know, they behave in a you know, appropriate manner. They haven't done that with David Benavitez. And you know, for the record, they're not going to do that at one seventy five either. They're gonna stay out of the way of this unification fight between better Beev and Bevil, and I don't think they're gonna interject on that part as well.

Well, that's a side note. And I talked to Benavitez about this. I'm sure you did too. Like the WBC has treated David Benavitez like shit. They have treated him terribly. Like David Benavidez, what was it, almost two years he was the interim champion, the mandatory for Canelo Alvarez, uh and not once did they order it. They just cowtow to whatever Canelo Alvarez wants and do not act with any kind of integrity when it comes to David Benavitez. I mean, look, the IBF's out there ordering William Skull, like you know, the IBFS ordering William Skull. The WBC won't order the fight that everybody wants to see, like maybe Canalo still doesn't take it, but at least it's ordered, and you know, they behave in a you know, appropriate manner. They haven't done that with David Benavitez. And you know, for the record, they're not going to do that at one seventy five either. They're gonna stay out of the way of this unification fight between better Beev and Bevil, and I don't think they're gonna interject on that part as well.

I look, I heard.

I look, I heard.

Benavitez say, I'm willing to do both. I think he's done at one sixty eight, Like he's a big guy, lance, like he needs to fill out and make one seventy five. And maybe he's not as physically big and dominant at one seventy five as he is at one sixty eight, but he's still strong. He's still cleaned the clock of a former title holder who you know is still I don't know where you put Vastik top fifteen ish top twenty, Like, yeah, yeah, he's up there in the light heavyweight division. So I think he should stay at one seventy five. And if I was giving David Benavitez any advice, I would tell him to take a nice little vacation and then get back in the gym, because there's an October date coming up for Dmitri Bevil against Archer Betterbev and Archer Betterbev's body is like a game of operation, right, like every body part there's a threat it could give on him. And we know that Turkey, Alaschk, Saudi Arabia they're not screwing around, Like if somebody can't fight.

Benavitez say, I'm willing to do both. I think he's done at one sixty eight, Like he's a big guy, lance, like he needs to fill out and make one seventy five. And maybe he's not as physically big and dominant at one seventy five as he is at one sixty eight, but he's still strong. He's still cleaned the clock of a former title holder who you know is still I don't know where you put Vastik top fifteen ish top twenty, Like, yeah, yeah, he's up there in the light heavyweight division. So I think he should stay at one seventy five. And if I was giving David Benavitez any advice, I would tell him to take a nice little vacation and then get back in the gym, because there's an October date coming up for Dmitri Bevil against Archer Betterbev and Archer Betterbev's body is like a game of operation, right, like every body part there's a threat it could give on him. And we know that Turkey, Alaschk, Saudi Arabia they're not screwing around, Like if somebody can't fight.

It's next man up.

It's next man up.

So if I'm Benavidez, I take the rest of the month off, take my wife, take my kid to some nice exotic location, enjoy yourself, and that early July, maybe mid July, get back in the gym and prepare like you're going to fight in October. Be ready for that call in like early September. That archer Betterbiev can't go because a Beeviol Benavidez fight. We heard Turkey Alashchik mentioned just last month he wants to see Bevil fight Benavidez. So if better Beev can't go, Benavidez stepping in, I think is a realistic option.

So if I'm Benavidez, I take the rest of the month off, take my wife, take my kid to some nice exotic location, enjoy yourself, and that early July, maybe mid July, get back in the gym and prepare like you're going to fight in October. Be ready for that call in like early September. That archer Betterbiev can't go because a Beeviol Benavidez fight. We heard Turkey Alashchik mentioned just last month he wants to see Bevil fight Benavidez. So if better Beev can't go, Benavidez stepping in, I think is a realistic option.

Oh that's a great idea, Chris, no doubt about it. I think that I actually wasn't even thinking like that. I was thinking that maybe for Benavidez, because he does have some ailments that he does need to deal with, and yes, you can heal while you're taking that vacation with the family. But maybe it's gonna be David Morale too, because he fights August third and the La car That would be a good opportunity for him if he's going to take that one seventy five path.

Oh that's a great idea, Chris, no doubt about it. I think that I actually wasn't even thinking like that. I was thinking that maybe for Benavidez, because he does have some ailments that he does need to deal with, and yes, you can heal while you're taking that vacation with the family. But maybe it's gonna be David Morale too, because he fights August third and the La car That would be a good opportunity for him if he's going to take that one seventy five path.

Because Look, Canelo.

Because Look, Canelo.

Canelo is going to do what he wants to do, and at this point, unless unless's getting that one hundred and fifty to two hundred million dollar person money, he clearly is not going to take that fight against David Benavitez. And it is You're right, it is a damn shame how the WBC has treated David Benavidez.

Canelo is going to do what he wants to do, and at this point, unless unless's getting that one hundred and fifty to two hundred million dollar person money, he clearly is not going to take that fight against David Benavitez. And it is You're right, it is a damn shame how the WBC has treated David Benavidez.

It's it's reprehensible. The WBA is out there ordering. I mean, they're not any better, but they're out there ordering. You know, Edgar Berlanga fight against against Canelo Alvrez, Like.

It's it's reprehensible. The WBA is out there ordering. I mean, they're not any better, but they're out there ordering. You know, Edgar Berlanga fight against against Canelo Alvrez, Like.

What's the worst thing that's going to happen if you enforce this mandatory? What's the worst thing that's going to happen?

What's the worst thing that's going to happen if you enforce this mandatory? What's the worst thing that's going to happen?

Canelo won't take it, basically, But look they're worried. They're worried about annoying Canelo. Like, that's not how a sanctioning body should should behave.

Canelo won't take it, basically, But look they're worried. They're worried about annoying Canelo. Like, that's not how a sanctioning body should should behave.

It's just not the Morel stuff, the Merrel stuff.

It's just not the Morel stuff, the Merrel stuff.

I don't know if I'm Benavitez, if I'm running towards Morel, like, I don't know if Morel's any good. He's ten and zero nine knockouts, but he's only got those ten fights like I want to see David Morrell active. I want to see him beating guys like I want to see him beating guys that are names. At one seventy five, I think he's gonna steamroll hot Rod.

I don't know if I'm Benavitez, if I'm running towards Morel, like, I don't know if Morel's any good. He's ten and zero nine knockouts, but he's only got those ten fights like I want to see David Morrell active. I want to see him beating guys like I want to see him beating guys that are names. At one seventy five, I think he's gonna steamroll hot Rod.

What is who's he fighting?

What is who's he fighting?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. So I think he's gonna steam roll his guy on August third. But uh, I need to see him more active. I need to see Morrell brings nothing to the table at the moments, you know. So, if I'm Benavidez, I'm looking for another name At one seventy five, it's two batster gay Covallev got his clock cleaned in his last time out. That would have been a good name at light heavyweight if Covidlev could go back down to that weight. But I want to see him in the mix with somebody recognizable, staying busy until.

Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. So I think he's gonna steam roll his guy on August third. But uh, I need to see him more active. I need to see Morrell brings nothing to the table at the moments, you know. So, if I'm Benavidez, I'm looking for another name At one seventy five, it's two batster gay Covallev got his clock cleaned in his last time out. That would have been a good name at light heavyweight if Covidlev could go back down to that weight. But I want to see him in the mix with somebody recognizable, staying busy until.

That opportunity comes.

That opportunity comes.

Because it feels like lance worst case scenario, we would get Benavetez in twenty twenty five against the winner of better Beev versus Beeble. It does sound like Saudi Arabia is very interested in putting on that fight. It look, there's a lot of ifs here but if that fight happens, and if Benavitez wins, all of a sudden, he's the undisputed champion at one seventy five, and then that Canalo fight gets very easy to make. Then I think Canela Walverrez does take the Benavidez fight in term in order to make a pile of money, and you know, lavish that legacy, you know, pour another at another page onto that resume.

Because it feels like lance worst case scenario, we would get Benavetez in twenty twenty five against the winner of better Beev versus Beeble. It does sound like Saudi Arabia is very interested in putting on that fight. It look, there's a lot of ifs here but if that fight happens, and if Benavitez wins, all of a sudden, he's the undisputed champion at one seventy five, and then that Canalo fight gets very easy to make. Then I think Canela Walverrez does take the Benavidez fight in term in order to make a pile of money, and you know, lavish that legacy, you know, pour another at another page onto that resume.

That's when I think that fight would would make sense.

That's when I think that fight would would make sense.

So I hope I don't see any reason do you to go back to one sixty eight, Like what's there? He's cleaned it out basically except for the top guy that won't fight him.

So I hope I don't see any reason do you to go back to one sixty eight, Like what's there? He's cleaned it out basically except for the top guy that won't fight him.

It's Canelo or bust at one sixty eight. And then again, I just think that whatever the extent of these injuries are, you know, Reht comeback rested and healed from that, and then take the fight by the end of the year, and and like you said that, it does lay out perfectly as you laid it out. I would love to see the one seventy five undisputed against the one sixty eight, whether he's undisputed or not, based on what the IBF is going to do. He's undisputed, so that would be an epic matchup.

It's Canelo or bust at one sixty eight. And then again, I just think that whatever the extent of these injuries are, you know, Reht comeback rested and healed from that, and then take the fight by the end of the year, and and like you said that, it does lay out perfectly as you laid it out. I would love to see the one seventy five undisputed against the one sixty eight, whether he's undisputed or not, based on what the IBF is going to do. He's undisputed, so that would be an epic matchup.

You know, it's only been a handful of these PBC on Prime shows. Nothing formally announced yet, but there's been some reporting that maybe they'll do a show that is non pay per view at some point this summer. I think everybody's kind of curious what the investment of Amazon is going to look like. Did you get any sense out there, being around those people all week long kind of what's the future for this PBC on Prime deal?

You know, it's only been a handful of these PBC on Prime shows. Nothing formally announced yet, but there's been some reporting that maybe they'll do a show that is non pay per view at some point this summer. I think everybody's kind of curious what the investment of Amazon is going to look like. Did you get any sense out there, being around those people all week long kind of what's the future for this PBC on Prime deal?

Yeah, you know, I mean i'd like to say that we could report definitively that the free fight that we were told is going to be coming. And we've heard some of the names, Caleb Plant who was in the news a La, Ryan Garcia and also yeah, and then Stephen Fulton also being on this card perhaps in August, but the people involved would not confirm that.

Yeah, you know, I mean i'd like to say that we could report definitively that the free fight that we were told is going to be coming. And we've heard some of the names, Caleb Plant who was in the news a La, Ryan Garcia and also yeah, and then Stephen Fulton also being on this card perhaps in August, but the people involved would not confirm that.

They said, look, it's still in flux.

They said, look, it's still in flux.

There's still some things that are quote unquote shaking out, but apparently this fight is coming.

There's still some things that are quote unquote shaking out, but apparently this fight is coming.

You know, I agree with you.

You know, I agree with you.

I mean, Amazon Prime videos interest in boxing I think is still sort.

I mean, Amazon Prime videos interest in boxing I think is still sort.

Of a wild card.

Of a wild card.

How deep are they on the sport where you know we're going to find out some things. If we get the pay per view numbers on the Tank Davis fight. But you know, Tank criticized the promotion. He wasn't necessarily talking about Prime Video. He was more upset about the lack of MGM Grand having the signs posted up around it as they have done on other major fights. But it did feel that way too that Prime Video. Are they really doing all the advertising and marketing? And is PBC doing all that it can potentially do to really say, like, hey, boxing's next superstar is fighting Saturday night. Come and watch a knockout performance in which he delivered you know, did enough people watch that? Are enough people now effectively enthused enough to watch him next time?

How deep are they on the sport where you know we're going to find out some things. If we get the pay per view numbers on the Tank Davis fight. But you know, Tank criticized the promotion. He wasn't necessarily talking about Prime Video. He was more upset about the lack of MGM Grand having the signs posted up around it as they have done on other major fights. But it did feel that way too that Prime Video. Are they really doing all the advertising and marketing? And is PBC doing all that it can potentially do to really say, like, hey, boxing's next superstar is fighting Saturday night. Come and watch a knockout performance in which he delivered you know, did enough people watch that? Are enough people now effectively enthused enough to watch him next time?

Where are we on this thing?

Where are we on this thing?

Because it just feels like there's like some oomph missing from the room.

Because it just feels like there's like some oomph missing from the room.

Yeah, and if through Amazon Prime, which has like a market cap of trillions, right, like you you're not You're not really interested in just making a couple of bucks on some of these shows. You're looking for NFL like investments, NBA like investments, investments with a big return, which means a lot of things to them. It could just mean like a lot of people going and buying stuff after being on on their their website, that it's definitely reimagined what broadcasting means and what a positive return ultimately means. But I think I'm very interested see what the next six months look like. They've had a handful of fights, some of them been good, some of them been in whatever. But I'm curiously what the next iteration of this year kind of kind of looks like for Amazon. You mentioned the the Ryan Garcia name Garcia and Caleb Plant going at it in the stands the most predictable thing you could have told me about that weekend, since Ryan's been going after Caleb on social media and vice versas. You know, Caleb's going after the positive test of of Ryan on social media.

Yeah, and if through Amazon Prime, which has like a market cap of trillions, right, like you you're not You're not really interested in just making a couple of bucks on some of these shows. You're looking for NFL like investments, NBA like investments, investments with a big return, which means a lot of things to them. It could just mean like a lot of people going and buying stuff after being on on their their website, that it's definitely reimagined what broadcasting means and what a positive return ultimately means. But I think I'm very interested see what the next six months look like. They've had a handful of fights, some of them been good, some of them been in whatever. But I'm curiously what the next iteration of this year kind of kind of looks like for Amazon. You mentioned the the Ryan Garcia name Garcia and Caleb Plant going at it in the stands the most predictable thing you could have told me about that weekend, since Ryan's been going after Caleb on social media and vice versas. You know, Caleb's going after the positive test of of Ryan on social media.

But I gotta tell you, Lance, it was cringey.

But I gotta tell you, Lance, it was cringey.

Look at some of the tweets from Ryan, you know, in the aftermath of that incident going after Caleb Plant's wife, Like, come on, man, just like I understand, genuine beefs happen, right and more often than not that's good for boxing. But to say some of the things he said about Caleb's wife was was really really ugly, And I'm not so sure Ryan wants to be messing with with Caleb Plant. Caleb Plant is naturally a lot bigger than Ryan. And one thing I like about Caleb is that he kind of rolls solo in all these situations, not security like you know, most guys, including Ryan. It's not exclusive to Ryan, but a lot of guys come with like one or two security guards with the Caleb Plants out there doing his thing.

Look at some of the tweets from Ryan, you know, in the aftermath of that incident going after Caleb Plant's wife, Like, come on, man, just like I understand, genuine beefs happen, right and more often than not that's good for boxing. But to say some of the things he said about Caleb's wife was was really really ugly, And I'm not so sure Ryan wants to be messing with with Caleb Plant. Caleb Plant is naturally a lot bigger than Ryan. And one thing I like about Caleb is that he kind of rolls solo in all these situations, not security like you know, most guys, including Ryan. It's not exclusive to Ryan, but a lot of guys come with like one or two security guards with the Caleb Plants out there doing his thing.

Look, he started that altercation.

Look, he started that altercation.

He threw a drink at at Ryan Garcia, so you know he did are our responsibility If you see some of the social media video he caught, he he caught Ryan kind of walking past him and he threw a drink at him, and that sort of kicked off a brawl which nobody actually got hit, right, Like I think Caleb on his butt because somebody banged into him, but nobody actually took a clean punch. But that's that's probably not that's like, that's not even a fight that would be remotely realistic. Like there the three four weight classes apart or whatever it is. You know, I don't I don't really get that, but I you know, Ryan, his social media feed is just becoming kind of a dark place, man, And really, yeah, I don't know how. I don't know how all this this shakes out. We're still wait for the New York State Athletic Commission to weigh in on that. We've talked about this ad nauseum. But I think you and I both expect in overturning of the outcome of the Devin Haney fight and some kind of suspension that sits Ryan down formally for the foreseeable future. But if i'm you know, people around Ryan, you know, making a fight, even if he's eligible to, is probably not high on my list of things to be done right now.

He threw a drink at at Ryan Garcia, so you know he did are our responsibility If you see some of the social media video he caught, he he caught Ryan kind of walking past him and he threw a drink at him, and that sort of kicked off a brawl which nobody actually got hit, right, Like I think Caleb on his butt because somebody banged into him, but nobody actually took a clean punch. But that's that's probably not that's like, that's not even a fight that would be remotely realistic. Like there the three four weight classes apart or whatever it is. You know, I don't I don't really get that, but I you know, Ryan, his social media feed is just becoming kind of a dark place, man, And really, yeah, I don't know how. I don't know how all this this shakes out. We're still wait for the New York State Athletic Commission to weigh in on that. We've talked about this ad nauseum. But I think you and I both expect in overturning of the outcome of the Devin Haney fight and some kind of suspension that sits Ryan down formally for the foreseeable future. But if i'm you know, people around Ryan, you know, making a fight, even if he's eligible to, is probably not high on my list of things to be done right now.

Yeah, I would, I would definitely recommend that he goes into some kind of hiding for an extended period until this decision has made, and then come back a little bit way more humble than he's ben I mean year absolue. The comments that he made were reprehensible, not just saying it's a man's wife, but against a respected television reporter. I mean, Jordan Planned does a good job for PbD and Prime Video, and you know, come on.

Yeah, I would, I would definitely recommend that he goes into some kind of hiding for an extended period until this decision has made, and then come back a little bit way more humble than he's ben I mean year absolue. The comments that he made were reprehensible, not just saying it's a man's wife, but against a respected television reporter. I mean, Jordan Planned does a good job for PbD and Prime Video, and you know, come on.

Yeah, and look, I've said this many times before. I think at his core, Ryan is a really good guy. We've both been around him a long time. There's something going on with him right now that is causing him to go off the rails. That's made kind of alcohol clearly a problem in his life. And I just hope there are people around him. And I'm skeptical of this, but I hope there are people around him that are working to get him down the right path, because a young guy with a bright future ahead of him, if he can just kind of get get the stuff he's dealing with with settled and put away. Last thing I want to hit you on is the fight I was at in Puerto Rico, which at the beginning of the week seemed like a celebration of super Almatias. I was down there from Wednesday on lance it was like Suprial this and Supril that. Like Leam, Paro was effectively there just to get knocked out in the fifth round.

Yeah, and look, I've said this many times before. I think at his core, Ryan is a really good guy. We've both been around him a long time. There's something going on with him right now that is causing him to go off the rails. That's made kind of alcohol clearly a problem in his life. And I just hope there are people around him. And I'm skeptical of this, but I hope there are people around him that are working to get him down the right path, because a young guy with a bright future ahead of him, if he can just kind of get get the stuff he's dealing with with settled and put away. Last thing I want to hit you on is the fight I was at in Puerto Rico, which at the beginning of the week seemed like a celebration of super Almatias. I was down there from Wednesday on lance it was like Suprial this and Supril that. Like Leam, Paro was effectively there just to get knocked out in the fifth round.

Uh. Paro, of course flipped the script.

Uh. Paro, of course flipped the script.

Fought a brilliant fight, I thought, you know, fought a very different fight than guys like Heremius Ponce and Ergushev fought against uh Mattias uh and wound up winning justifiably a wide decision. What did you think of Paro's upset over Mattias.

Fought a brilliant fight, I thought, you know, fought a very different fight than guys like Heremius Ponce and Ergushev fought against uh Mattias uh and wound up winning justifiably a wide decision. What did you think of Paro's upset over Mattias.

Yeah, a very game effort.

Yeah, a very game effort.

I mean, like you said, I mean going into a champion's home country. You know, you've got the great Felix Trinidad there there's still and and that massive crowd, you know, supporting this guy, and the expectation that he would win, uh, down to the point of and I and I know, I was watching some of your broadcast highlights, Chris, where you were all over the referee.

I mean, like you said, I mean going into a champion's home country. You know, you've got the great Felix Trinidad there there's still and and that massive crowd, you know, supporting this guy, and the expectation that he would win, uh, down to the point of and I and I know, I was watching some of your broadcast highlights, Chris, where you were all over the referee.

For oh that's a separate yeah.

For oh that's a separate yeah.

Horrible point deduction. So this guy had Mattias had every advantage in this fight, and yet Parro just you know, up to his fight plan, produced a game effort. Mattias was not really himself in that fight in regards to the hammering punches and activity that we usually see from him, and took advantage of it and won the fight. And now he's world champion and you know, to all the credit goes to this kid from Australia and now he's got the belt.

Horrible point deduction. So this guy had Mattias had every advantage in this fight, and yet Parro just you know, up to his fight plan, produced a game effort. Mattias was not really himself in that fight in regards to the hammering punches and activity that we usually see from him, and took advantage of it and won the fight. And now he's world champion and you know, to all the credit goes to this kid from Australia and now he's got the belt.

Yeah, and I think that fight exposed the the issues with Mattias, right, Like, he is a devastating puncher with a good chin and an endless motor and you can beat a lot of guys doing that, especially the less conditioned guys. But you know, while Mattias viewed this fight as kind of a stepping stone, as a showcase type of event for Liam Paro to borrow a fraid you know, example of another sport like this was his super Bowl. Like on the air, I brought up, you know, George Cambosis against Aofimal Lopez, and there are parallels there, not just the you know, Australian coming into enemy territory, but you know, for Taffim Lopez, he fought George Cambosis as his mandatory and you know, he never really gave Cambosis the respect that he deserved coming into that fight. And Cambosa was like, this is it, Like I don't win this fight, my career is over. It's done. It's a rap I get knocked out here. I'm done, at least on the high level. And that's the same attitude Liam Paro came in. I thought he came in phenomenal shape, which was obvious because he was he was, And I thought he came in with a great game plan, like he didn't load up on any of his shots. At no point during this fight was he trying to knock super Realmatias out. He was just trying to score and score and score and stay away from big exchanges, and when he did find himself in big exchange, he grabbed, he held, He did veteran moves that that fighters should do in those types of situations. So I give Paro just an absolute ton of credit for doing what he did. Before he get to what's next for Paro. You mentioned Luis paba on the referee, and I was apoplectic when he took that point away because it did seem like from the very beginning that Louis Pabone had it.

Yeah, and I think that fight exposed the the issues with Mattias, right, Like, he is a devastating puncher with a good chin and an endless motor and you can beat a lot of guys doing that, especially the less conditioned guys. But you know, while Mattias viewed this fight as kind of a stepping stone, as a showcase type of event for Liam Paro to borrow a fraid you know, example of another sport like this was his super Bowl. Like on the air, I brought up, you know, George Cambosis against Aofimal Lopez, and there are parallels there, not just the you know, Australian coming into enemy territory, but you know, for Taffim Lopez, he fought George Cambosis as his mandatory and you know, he never really gave Cambosis the respect that he deserved coming into that fight. And Cambosa was like, this is it, Like I don't win this fight, my career is over. It's done. It's a rap I get knocked out here. I'm done, at least on the high level. And that's the same attitude Liam Paro came in. I thought he came in phenomenal shape, which was obvious because he was he was, And I thought he came in with a great game plan, like he didn't load up on any of his shots. At no point during this fight was he trying to knock super Realmatias out. He was just trying to score and score and score and stay away from big exchanges, and when he did find himself in big exchange, he grabbed, he held, He did veteran moves that that fighters should do in those types of situations. So I give Paro just an absolute ton of credit for doing what he did. Before he get to what's next for Paro. You mentioned Luis paba on the referee, and I was apoplectic when he took that point away because it did seem like from the very beginning that Louis Pabone had it.

Out for Liam Paro.

Out for Liam Paro.

Like in between the second and third round, Lance Pabonu went over to Paro's corner and said, you need to respect me, and I think he was talking about how Paro was leading with his head, which I didn't see that either, Like I didn't see enough that would warrant the kind of stern admonition that pabon gave to Para. And then you take a point away, and yeah there was some like little tiny unclinches, a little.

Like in between the second and third round, Lance Pabonu went over to Paro's corner and said, you need to respect me, and I think he was talking about how Paro was leading with his head, which I didn't see that either, Like I didn't see enough that would warrant the kind of stern admonition that pabon gave to Para. And then you take a point away, and yeah there was some like little tiny unclinches, a little.

Bit of a brush in the back of the head. But I don't know about you.

Bit of a brush in the back of the head. But I don't know about you.

I think taking a point away is like the boxing death penalty, like you should use it only under extreme circumstances, like if a guy. If a guy dropped someone, or a guy hits somebody when he's on the ground right or after the bell clean, causing some real damage, then yes, you take that point away. But if you don't have to take a point away, you don't do it. Do not if you're a referee, interject yourself into the fight. The best referees in the world are the referees that you don't even though are there and you're not talking about after the fight. I used the Fury Usik fight as an example, and people like, was it Mark Killoy?

I think taking a point away is like the boxing death penalty, like you should use it only under extreme circumstances, like if a guy. If a guy dropped someone, or a guy hits somebody when he's on the ground right or after the bell clean, causing some real damage, then yes, you take that point away. But if you don't have to take a point away, you don't do it. Do not if you're a referee, interject yourself into the fight. The best referees in the world are the referees that you don't even though are there and you're not talking about after the fight. I used the Fury Usik fight as an example, and people like, was it Mark Killoy?

Was he?

Was he?

He think he was the referee in that fight. If I'm getting that wrong, I apologize, But he he the referee in that fight. You know, he could have stopped the fury Usik fight in that ninth round when Fury was on dream Street.

He think he was the referee in that fight. If I'm getting that wrong, I apologize, But he he the referee in that fight. You know, he could have stopped the fury Usik fight in that ninth round when Fury was on dream Street.

But you want to.

But you want to.

Give these guys the benefit of the doubt, especially in a championship fight. If he had stopped that fight, then we would have been talking about the referee.

Give these guys the benefit of the doubt, especially in a championship fight. If he had stopped that fight, then we would have been talking about the referee.

And not the great performance of Alexander Usik.

And not the great performance of Alexander Usik.

So I thought Louis Pabone from the very beginning wanted this to be the Louis pa Bone Show, and I was I'm just glad lance that it didn't have an impact on the scoring.

So I thought Louis Pabone from the very beginning wanted this to be the Louis pa Bone Show, and I was I'm just glad lance that it didn't have an impact on the scoring.

Credit the judges who saw the fight right.

Credit the judges who saw the fight right.

You know. I thought two of the scorecards were a little bit too close to my liking, but they saw the fight correctly, and that job by the referee did not negatively impact it.

You know. I thought two of the scorecards were a little bit too close to my liking, but they saw the fight correctly, and that job by the referee did not negatively impact it.

No, it's it's you hate to see that type of stuff, especially when a title is on the line, and especially when someone like you said, is producing the fight of his lifetime, like like Paro did.

No, it's it's you hate to see that type of stuff, especially when a title is on the line, and especially when someone like you said, is producing the fight of his lifetime, like like Paro did.

So.

So.

Unfortunately, I had a situation like that in the uh and again I'm sorry, I don't have the referee's name in front of me, but in the Puello versus Gary Antoine Russell fight, there was a one point for a hold and it was like, hey, there wasn't even like a warning before that. There wasn't It wasn't like this, this was habitual. You know, How dare you you punish the guy who is quote unquote supposed to lose the fight. He's got enough odds stacked against him. Why do we have to to take it to that point? I just hope that this kind of activity stops.

Unfortunately, I had a situation like that in the uh and again I'm sorry, I don't have the referee's name in front of me, but in the Puello versus Gary Antoine Russell fight, there was a one point for a hold and it was like, hey, there wasn't even like a warning before that. There wasn't It wasn't like this, this was habitual. You know, How dare you you punish the guy who is quote unquote supposed to lose the fight. He's got enough odds stacked against him. Why do we have to to take it to that point? I just hope that this kind of activity stops.

Yeah, so do I.

Yeah, so do I.

Yeah, And I've seen some really good you know, when referees are really good, they can have a positive impact. We saw Jack Reese the first fight with Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder not overreacting to the punch, making the count giving Fury a chance there. I understand it is a fine line. You want to protect fighters, There's no doubt about that. But rewatch that Paro Mattias fight. Nothing there said that Parro did enough to take a point away. Now Paro now has a belt around his waist, and again to bring up the Cambosis versus Tea Fimal Lopez fight, it sounds like making some trips to Australia again, that Australian boxing is back with another title holder in that weight class.

Yeah, And I've seen some really good you know, when referees are really good, they can have a positive impact. We saw Jack Reese the first fight with Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder not overreacting to the punch, making the count giving Fury a chance there. I understand it is a fine line. You want to protect fighters, There's no doubt about that. But rewatch that Paro Mattias fight. Nothing there said that Parro did enough to take a point away. Now Paro now has a belt around his waist, and again to bring up the Cambosis versus Tea Fimal Lopez fight, it sounds like making some trips to Australia again, that Australian boxing is back with another title holder in that weight class.

I don't believe it.

I don't believe it.

I'm pretty sure I'm right that there is no rematch clause between Mattias and Paro, which surprised me a little bit because that was a voluntary defense for superal Matias. But again, I think it speaks the overconfidence he and his team had about how they perform in this fight. Now Paro has the belt, and I believe lance the most likely fight for Parro is going to be a mandatory title defense against Richardson Hitchins. Richardson Hitchins, of course, undefeated looked unimpressive in his win over Gestavo Lamos, but he won that fight and protected his standing as the IBF manatory. I talk members of his team last night, and they're going to push for it, like they are going to push the IBF to order the.