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And we're back. Boxing with Chris mannis part of the Volume Sports podcast Network. Want to welcome in everyone that's listening on the podcast feed. If you are not a subscriber, get over to the Boxing with Chris Mannix feed. Hit that subscribe button. Make sure you get this pod in your feed every single week. Good show for you This week Keith Ideck, longtime boxing writer, good friend of the program. He is back. Keith and I discuss the latest with Devin Haney, who has a decision to make with his one hundred and forty pound title plus Canelo Alvarez. He reportedly has reached a deal with William Skull. Raise your hand if you have seen William Skull fight. That may provide a little clarity for Canelo's next move, So stick around. Great conversation this week with Keith Iidack. Keith and I recorded before the news broke that Ryan Garcia has reached a deal with the New York State Athletic Commission. The New York State Athletic Commission announcing that they are suspending Ryan for one year. He is being fined one point two million dollars. That money goes over to Golden Boy Promotions, his promoter, and he is being fined ten thousand dollars. That's money that is going to the New York State Athletic Commission. So Ryan Garcia, with the suspension being retroactive, will be out of the ring. Until at least April of next year. Now, Ryan's team has released a statement in the aftermath of this deal. It says, in part, Ryan was a victim of substance contamination with levels measured in the billions and trillions of a gram, which provided no advantage whatsoever in the ring. Ryan, with his legal team, has resolved this issue and firmly maintains his truth. He never intentionally took any banned substance. It is simply not in his nature. He went on to say that Ryan will continue to elevate the sport and will be actively involved in advocating for reform. We hope future changes in our system will address issues like this one. So Ryan is sticking to the defense that, however Ostereen got into a system, it was not intentionally ingested. It was not a PD. Of course, that doesn't matter one bit when it comes to potential punishment, and this deal with New York is a reflection of that. So a couple things. One, I think this is an appropriate punishment. I was a little concerned that New York would let Ryan off with a six month suspension, which really isn't a suspension. A guy the level of Ryan Garcia doesn't fight more than once every six months anyway, So six months would mean he could be back in the ring in October. That's not a real punishment a year. That's a real punishment that takes out of Ryan. That he's Ryan out of one, potentially two fights that he would have had. So that is a significant consequence the fine. Not exactly sure why Golden Boy is getting a million dollars here, Like, if anyone deserves the money, it's Devin Haney, who was the victim in a situation like this. If the New York Commission is acknowledging that this punishment is for having a banned substance in your system, you would think that the person that was facing the guy with the banned substance should be entitled to some of that cash. But regardless, it's the one year that stands out. We've seen six months suspensions in the past. I don't like him. We've seen two or three year suspensions in the past, mostly over in Europe. I don't like them either. Like, this is a first offense for Ryan Garcia, so I don't think you need to throw the literal book at him the first time. I guess figurative book if we want to be accurate. But I think one year makes a lot of sense. So my hope is that Ryan takes this time to get whatever is going on in his life together. Now, the last social media post I saw from Ryan Garcia was I am officially retired. I know Ryan has been frustrated by this process. I do not believe that he's officially retired. He's twenty five years old, He's got a long future ahead of him. But he's got to get the stuff that's going on in his life together. It's as simple as that. He can't continue to go down this path because the consequences keep getting more and more significant. We know that just a few weeks ago he was arrested for causing damage in a hotel. That's not a capital offense, but it's a continuation of bad behavior that is leading to more and more bad things. So my hope, and I know with the hope of a lot of people in Ryan's life, my hope is he can take this time to get together and look come back spring of next year better than ever. Ryan Garcia is still a big name in boxing. There's still big fights for him. Frankly, a rematch with Devin Haney is one of the biggest fights you can make in twenty twenty five. Like, whatever the pay per view buys were this time around, and I'm sure they were not great, there'll be three times that the next time because there'll be a lot of public back and forth. The first fight was exciting. That will be a really big pay per view event between Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia. So we won't be seeing Ryan Garcia in the ring anytime soon, and hopefully the next time we do see him kind of in the public eye, they'll be better things to talk about. Okay, when we come back my conversation with Keith Idick. All Right, pretty slow weekend in boxing, but it doesn't mean there isn't news in boxing. You've got some news in the one hundred and forty pound division, some news when it comes to Canelo Alvarez to talk about. All I want to bring in Keith Idek, longtime boxing writer, good friend of the program, back here on the podcast. So Keith, let's start at one forty where the news this week involves Devin Haney, the current WBC one hundred and forty pound champion. Maintained that belt, of course, because even after his last loss to Ryan Garcia. That fight was not contested for the belt, so Devin is still the champ there. He has a mandatory against Sandor Martin. There was a purse bid for that this week. The purse bid was won by Top Rank, which bid about two point four million dollars for that fight, the only major promoter that was bidding on that fight. And it's a outcome Keith that I think all but ensures that Devin Haney Sandor Martin will not actually happen for that that title. So were you surprised at all? Let's start there by the lack of interest in Devin Haney versus Sando Martin.

And we're back. Boxing with Chris mannis part of the Volume Sports podcast Network. Want to welcome in everyone that's listening on the podcast feed. If you are not a subscriber, get over to the Boxing with Chris Mannix feed. Hit that subscribe button. Make sure you get this pod in your feed every single week. Good show for you This week Keith Ideck, longtime boxing writer, good friend of the program. He is back. Keith and I discuss the latest with Devin Haney, who has a decision to make with his one hundred and forty pound title plus Canelo Alvarez. He reportedly has reached a deal with William Skull. Raise your hand if you have seen William Skull fight. That may provide a little clarity for Canelo's next move, So stick around. Great conversation this week with Keith Iidack. Keith and I recorded before the news broke that Ryan Garcia has reached a deal with the New York State Athletic Commission. The New York State Athletic Commission announcing that they are suspending Ryan for one year. He is being fined one point two million dollars. That money goes over to Golden Boy Promotions, his promoter, and he is being fined ten thousand dollars. That's money that is going to the New York State Athletic Commission. So Ryan Garcia, with the suspension being retroactive, will be out of the ring. Until at least April of next year. Now, Ryan's team has released a statement in the aftermath of this deal. It says, in part, Ryan was a victim of substance contamination with levels measured in the billions and trillions of a gram, which provided no advantage whatsoever in the ring. Ryan, with his legal team, has resolved this issue and firmly maintains his truth. He never intentionally took any banned substance. It is simply not in his nature. He went on to say that Ryan will continue to elevate the sport and will be actively involved in advocating for reform. We hope future changes in our system will address issues like this one. So Ryan is sticking to the defense that, however Ostereen got into a system, it was not intentionally ingested. It was not a PD. Of course, that doesn't matter one bit when it comes to potential punishment, and this deal with New York is a reflection of that. So a couple things. One, I think this is an appropriate punishment. I was a little concerned that New York would let Ryan off with a six month suspension, which really isn't a suspension. A guy the level of Ryan Garcia doesn't fight more than once every six months anyway, So six months would mean he could be back in the ring in October. That's not a real punishment a year. That's a real punishment that takes out of Ryan. That he's Ryan out of one, potentially two fights that he would have had. So that is a significant consequence the fine. Not exactly sure why Golden Boy is getting a million dollars here, Like, if anyone deserves the money, it's Devin Haney, who was the victim in a situation like this. If the New York Commission is acknowledging that this punishment is for having a banned substance in your system, you would think that the person that was facing the guy with the banned substance should be entitled to some of that cash. But regardless, it's the one year that stands out. We've seen six months suspensions in the past. I don't like him. We've seen two or three year suspensions in the past, mostly over in Europe. I don't like them either. Like, this is a first offense for Ryan Garcia, so I don't think you need to throw the literal book at him the first time. I guess figurative book if we want to be accurate. But I think one year makes a lot of sense. So my hope is that Ryan takes this time to get whatever is going on in his life together. Now, the last social media post I saw from Ryan Garcia was I am officially retired. I know Ryan has been frustrated by this process. I do not believe that he's officially retired. He's twenty five years old, He's got a long future ahead of him. But he's got to get the stuff that's going on in his life together. It's as simple as that. He can't continue to go down this path because the consequences keep getting more and more significant. We know that just a few weeks ago he was arrested for causing damage in a hotel. That's not a capital offense, but it's a continuation of bad behavior that is leading to more and more bad things. So my hope, and I know with the hope of a lot of people in Ryan's life, my hope is he can take this time to get together and look come back spring of next year better than ever. Ryan Garcia is still a big name in boxing. There's still big fights for him. Frankly, a rematch with Devin Haney is one of the biggest fights you can make in twenty twenty five. Like, whatever the pay per view buys were this time around, and I'm sure they were not great, there'll be three times that the next time because there'll be a lot of public back and forth. The first fight was exciting. That will be a really big pay per view event between Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia. So we won't be seeing Ryan Garcia in the ring anytime soon, and hopefully the next time we do see him kind of in the public eye, they'll be better things to talk about. Okay, when we come back my conversation with Keith Idick. All Right, pretty slow weekend in boxing, but it doesn't mean there isn't news in boxing. You've got some news in the one hundred and forty pound division, some news when it comes to Canelo Alvarez to talk about. All I want to bring in Keith Idek, longtime boxing writer, good friend of the program, back here on the podcast. So Keith, let's start at one forty where the news this week involves Devin Haney, the current WBC one hundred and forty pound champion. Maintained that belt, of course, because even after his last loss to Ryan Garcia. That fight was not contested for the belt, so Devin is still the champ there. He has a mandatory against Sandor Martin. There was a purse bid for that this week. The purse bid was won by Top Rank, which bid about two point four million dollars for that fight, the only major promoter that was bidding on that fight. And it's a outcome Keith that I think all but ensures that Devin Haney Sandor Martin will not actually happen for that that title. So were you surprised at all? Let's start there by the lack of interest in Devin Haney versus Sando Martin.

A little bit, because I did expect you know, Eddie had, of course, I think when he was on your podcast last week, had I don't know he came out and said that he was going to bid, but it sort of seemed like he was going to bid, and I was a little surprised that Mattroom didn't bid at all. But they don't see value in the fight, of course, and Devin Haney's free Chris like any other fighter, to take whatever perspective he wants. He feels he's worth more than this and he can not fight and sit out. He's free to do that, but the market will dictate what he gets paid like every other fighter in this case, I don't really think that two point four million dollars is an insulting bid for this type of fight for the very specific reason that Devin Haney needs to bounce back from what happened against Ryan Garcia. Yes, Ryan Garcia tested positive for a PED, which is cast an enormous cloud over his victory over Devin Haney. Nevertheless, he's a diminished brand at this point because of what happened during the fight, even though Ryan Garcia was had a PED in his system, So he and his loss will probably be changed to a no contest should happen that way, and he retains his WBC belt, which gives him some leverage if he wants unification fights down the line. So I really didn't think that the Top Ranks bid was insulting in any way, and frankly, they were the only entity that bid and thought the fight was worth anything. You know as well as I do, Chris, that Sandor Martin is a very good fighter, but he brings zero promotional value whatsoever to the event. Both at the gate and on television. People would watch the fight because it's Devin Haney's first fight after fighting Ryan Garcia. They want to see how he looks against the guy who beat Mikey Garcia. And some people could understandably argue, think he beat Tiafi Molpez. The guy's a high level fighter. But Devin Haney, from his perspective, sand Or Martin is not a big puncher. He's fared very well against south Pause. Look what he did against Regis Program, Look what he did against Jojo Diaz. You could debate the outcome of his fight against Vasili Womuchenko, but he fought well in that fight, so he has no problem handling south Pause, and the guy's not a big puncher. Would have presented less danger and it would have enabled him to if he won, to keep his title. It's risky, you know, because if you lose, you win a controversial decision, or lose the controversial decision into Sandor Martin, that could further damage his brand too. But what is Devin Haney worth? What else is out there for him at the moment when, as we know, Ryan Garcia is going to be forced in some way to sit out for some period of time, whether it's six months or a year or whatever. And Devin Haney, the way I looked at it was could have remained busy by taking this Sandor Martin fight, even if it was for less money than he thought it was worth, and stayed active and stayed Now, Ryan Garcia is not a South paup, but he could have stayed active, made over a million dollars for the fight, probably retained his title, and would have more leverage. But he doesn't see it that way. So he's gonna have to find what else is available to him and for how much more money than he thinks he should have received for this fight.

A little bit, because I did expect you know, Eddie had, of course, I think when he was on your podcast last week, had I don't know he came out and said that he was going to bid, but it sort of seemed like he was going to bid, and I was a little surprised that Mattroom didn't bid at all. But they don't see value in the fight, of course, and Devin Haney's free Chris like any other fighter, to take whatever perspective he wants. He feels he's worth more than this and he can not fight and sit out. He's free to do that, but the market will dictate what he gets paid like every other fighter in this case, I don't really think that two point four million dollars is an insulting bid for this type of fight for the very specific reason that Devin Haney needs to bounce back from what happened against Ryan Garcia. Yes, Ryan Garcia tested positive for a PED, which is cast an enormous cloud over his victory over Devin Haney. Nevertheless, he's a diminished brand at this point because of what happened during the fight, even though Ryan Garcia was had a PED in his system, So he and his loss will probably be changed to a no contest should happen that way, and he retains his WBC belt, which gives him some leverage if he wants unification fights down the line. So I really didn't think that the Top Ranks bid was insulting in any way, and frankly, they were the only entity that bid and thought the fight was worth anything. You know as well as I do, Chris, that Sandor Martin is a very good fighter, but he brings zero promotional value whatsoever to the event. Both at the gate and on television. People would watch the fight because it's Devin Haney's first fight after fighting Ryan Garcia. They want to see how he looks against the guy who beat Mikey Garcia. And some people could understandably argue, think he beat Tiafi Molpez. The guy's a high level fighter. But Devin Haney, from his perspective, sand Or Martin is not a big puncher. He's fared very well against south Pause. Look what he did against Regis Program, Look what he did against Jojo Diaz. You could debate the outcome of his fight against Vasili Womuchenko, but he fought well in that fight, so he has no problem handling south Pause, and the guy's not a big puncher. Would have presented less danger and it would have enabled him to if he won, to keep his title. It's risky, you know, because if you lose, you win a controversial decision, or lose the controversial decision into Sandor Martin, that could further damage his brand too. But what is Devin Haney worth? What else is out there for him at the moment when, as we know, Ryan Garcia is going to be forced in some way to sit out for some period of time, whether it's six months or a year or whatever. And Devin Haney, the way I looked at it was could have remained busy by taking this Sandor Martin fight, even if it was for less money than he thought it was worth, and stayed active and stayed Now, Ryan Garcia is not a South paup, but he could have stayed active, made over a million dollars for the fight, probably retained his title, and would have more leverage. But he doesn't see it that way. So he's gonna have to find what else is available to him and for how much more money than he thinks he should have received for this fight.

Yeah, the cut for Devin Haney would have been what one point five million plus US if he won. There's that ten percent bonus that's kept out of the WBC. The WBC takes out of it, so we would maybe in a million and a half bucks right around there, which is not bad, like not the money Devon's used to making in recent fights. But it's Sander Martin. It's a low level fight. It's not a pay per view, so you kind of have to if you're going to take a fight like that, kind of have to expect that's the general range of the payday that you're going to get a little bit of a backstory on what's been going on though the last few days. So last weekend we had Liam Paro upset super Realmatias. Liam Paro now the IBF champion. He wants to have his next fight over in Australia. My understanding was that Matchroom and members of Paro's team went to the WBC to try to get an exception so that they could make a unification fight between Parro and Devin Haney, which given the fact that you know, Haney is a known commodity in Australia, had those two wins over Cambo, so that's a sellable, marketable fight over in Australia, and I think Hani would have gone for a unification. Now, Mauricio Suliman apparently said no. You know, Devon had to pay Sander Martine some money just to go through with the Ryan Garcia fights, so this was a mandatory that the WBC was going to insist that he take in order to retain his belt. So that unification fight was ultimately blown up between Hani and Parro, and you and I both know there's no way Haney's going to fight Parro just for that IBF title because the IBF has that ten pound rehydration clause in the contracts, and Hany gets a lot bigger than that, Like Devin Haney is, unless he's fighting it's super middleweight. Is never going to take part in an IBF only event because he's not going to make that ten pound rehydration limit. Now, if it was a unification fight, you know, for people that don't know that IBF rule goes out the window. They don't they don't use that for a unification fight, so we would have done that. But an IBF fight against Liam Paro is simply off the table for Devin Haney my understanding right now. And Hani has until I think the middle of next week to make a formal decision on this belt. My understanding is that he's gonna vacate it, and he's going to vacate it and he's gonna move up and wait. And the guy that Handy wants to fight is Mario Barrios, who was recently installed as the full champion at one hundred and forty seven pounds. Barrios, Keith is a popular guy right now. I think a lot of people want to fight Mario Barrios, both for the title and the fact that it didn't look great in his last win over Fabian Madonna. So Haney is kind of jumping into that line hoping to get to the head of the line, hoping that his status as a WBC champion at one thirty five and at one somehow moves the needle and gets him in a position to fight Barrios sometime later this year. He'd like to bring that fight back to the Bay Area. He did a really good crowd for his against Regis Progray last year. He believes, from what I've been told, that you could do the same kind of crowd for Mario Barrios. We'll see if that's doable, But that's my understanding, Keith, of where we are, that Haine's going to vacate, that he's going to move up. He's going to try to get a fight against Barrios, and that would leave Martin to fight for a vacant belt. I guess against Albert Puelo, who just picked up the interim title, who would probably be next in line for the full WBC belt. So my guess right now, as we sit here talking on Thursday, June twentieth. Is that that is how this whole thing is going to shake out?

Yeah, the cut for Devin Haney would have been what one point five million plus US if he won. There's that ten percent bonus that's kept out of the WBC. The WBC takes out of it, so we would maybe in a million and a half bucks right around there, which is not bad, like not the money Devon's used to making in recent fights. But it's Sander Martin. It's a low level fight. It's not a pay per view, so you kind of have to if you're going to take a fight like that, kind of have to expect that's the general range of the payday that you're going to get a little bit of a backstory on what's been going on though the last few days. So last weekend we had Liam Paro upset super Realmatias. Liam Paro now the IBF champion. He wants to have his next fight over in Australia. My understanding was that Matchroom and members of Paro's team went to the WBC to try to get an exception so that they could make a unification fight between Parro and Devin Haney, which given the fact that you know, Haney is a known commodity in Australia, had those two wins over Cambo, so that's a sellable, marketable fight over in Australia, and I think Hani would have gone for a unification. Now, Mauricio Suliman apparently said no. You know, Devon had to pay Sander Martine some money just to go through with the Ryan Garcia fights, so this was a mandatory that the WBC was going to insist that he take in order to retain his belt. So that unification fight was ultimately blown up between Hani and Parro, and you and I both know there's no way Haney's going to fight Parro just for that IBF title because the IBF has that ten pound rehydration clause in the contracts, and Hany gets a lot bigger than that, Like Devin Haney is, unless he's fighting it's super middleweight. Is never going to take part in an IBF only event because he's not going to make that ten pound rehydration limit. Now, if it was a unification fight, you know, for people that don't know that IBF rule goes out the window. They don't they don't use that for a unification fight, so we would have done that. But an IBF fight against Liam Paro is simply off the table for Devin Haney my understanding right now. And Hani has until I think the middle of next week to make a formal decision on this belt. My understanding is that he's gonna vacate it, and he's going to vacate it and he's gonna move up and wait. And the guy that Handy wants to fight is Mario Barrios, who was recently installed as the full champion at one hundred and forty seven pounds. Barrios, Keith is a popular guy right now. I think a lot of people want to fight Mario Barrios, both for the title and the fact that it didn't look great in his last win over Fabian Madonna. So Haney is kind of jumping into that line hoping to get to the head of the line, hoping that his status as a WBC champion at one thirty five and at one somehow moves the needle and gets him in a position to fight Barrios sometime later this year. He'd like to bring that fight back to the Bay Area. He did a really good crowd for his against Regis Progray last year. He believes, from what I've been told, that you could do the same kind of crowd for Mario Barrios. We'll see if that's doable, But that's my understanding, Keith, of where we are, that Haine's going to vacate, that he's going to move up. He's going to try to get a fight against Barrios, and that would leave Martin to fight for a vacant belt. I guess against Albert Puelo, who just picked up the interim title, who would probably be next in line for the full WBC belt. So my guess right now, as we sit here talking on Thursday, June twentieth. Is that that is how this whole thing is going to shake out?

Yeah, it would be interesting if the WBC approved Devin Haney for a welterweight title fight after he just got knocked down three times and lost in a one hundred and Well it wasn't one hundred and forty pound title fight through no fault of Devin Hanes, of course, But so how does he then qualify for a welterweight title shot if a guy's moving if a as a champion at one hundred and forty pounds and he's undefeated and he just can't make the weight anymore and wants to move up. Okay, I understand some of the rules that they have in place where you reward him by giving him a title shot at in this case, one forty seven, What would you be rewarding him for.

Yeah, it would be interesting if the WBC approved Devin Haney for a welterweight title fight after he just got knocked down three times and lost in a one hundred and Well it wasn't one hundred and forty pound title fight through no fault of Devin Hanes, of course, But so how does he then qualify for a welterweight title shot if a guy's moving if a as a champion at one hundred and forty pounds and he's undefeated and he just can't make the weight anymore and wants to move up. Okay, I understand some of the rules that they have in place where you reward him by giving him a title shot at in this case, one forty seven, What would you be rewarding him for.

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In this innocence for the same thing Sebastian Fundora got rewarded for keive for being a name. That's what you're rewarded for.

Yeah, well I would The only thing. The only difference, of course, is that Sebastian Fundor was not supposed to fight for the title. He was fighting for the interim title, which made no sense whatsoever for him to be fighting for the interim title on the same card where they were contesting the actual title. But then there was an injury to Keith Thurman, and that's that's how he wound up in that position, and he took full advantage of it and looked like he was well on his way to getting knocked out before that disastrous cut, you know, really harmed Tim Zuo's career more than could have anticipated. But that so it was a little different in that way. I just don't know how you would justify it. And I'm not saying Hani could very well beat Mario Barrios. I don't see Barrios as like someone you know. Of course, he's lost before, and I think Devin Haney would have a chance to beat him, but you know, he just Ryan Garcia is a huge puncher, and he came in overweight, any had a pad in the system. We can't overlook any of that, but he did knock him down three times and what was supposed to be one hundred and forty pounds fight. And Barrios isn't a huge puncher, but he's an average to above average puncher. He's a bigger guy fought at that weight many times. I mean, if if their marketing plan is to sell Devin Haney as a welterweight after he just got the snot beating out of him and what was supposed to be a junior welterweight fight, well good luck. And also are people going to pay him? You know, if he thinks he's worked twice as much as he was offered to fight Sandor Martin, so I'm going to pay him that to fight Mario Barrios. And if so, who is Its certainly not going to be PBC, which Mario Barrios is affiliated with. They're not going to do that because they have no vested interest in in Devin Haney. Now, the obvious factor would be that at you know, Matchroom, in his own would you know, back the fight and try to bring it there. And if and if Al Hayman is having the issues that people seem to think that he's having, and his schedule would seem to indicate that he's having, you know, he might send Mario Barrios over for a big payday to fight Devin Haney on his own. I could see that happening, but I just don't have the w WBC would justify it, but look, they've done a lot of questionable things in the past, and they might do so here as well.

Yeah, well I would The only thing. The only difference, of course, is that Sebastian Fundor was not supposed to fight for the title. He was fighting for the interim title, which made no sense whatsoever for him to be fighting for the interim title on the same card where they were contesting the actual title. But then there was an injury to Keith Thurman, and that's that's how he wound up in that position, and he took full advantage of it and looked like he was well on his way to getting knocked out before that disastrous cut, you know, really harmed Tim Zuo's career more than could have anticipated. But that so it was a little different in that way. I just don't know how you would justify it. And I'm not saying Hani could very well beat Mario Barrios. I don't see Barrios as like someone you know. Of course, he's lost before, and I think Devin Haney would have a chance to beat him, but you know, he just Ryan Garcia is a huge puncher, and he came in overweight, any had a pad in the system. We can't overlook any of that, but he did knock him down three times and what was supposed to be one hundred and forty pounds fight. And Barrios isn't a huge puncher, but he's an average to above average puncher. He's a bigger guy fought at that weight many times. I mean, if if their marketing plan is to sell Devin Haney as a welterweight after he just got the snot beating out of him and what was supposed to be a junior welterweight fight, well good luck. And also are people going to pay him? You know, if he thinks he's worked twice as much as he was offered to fight Sandor Martin, so I'm going to pay him that to fight Mario Barrios. And if so, who is Its certainly not going to be PBC, which Mario Barrios is affiliated with. They're not going to do that because they have no vested interest in in Devin Haney. Now, the obvious factor would be that at you know, Matchroom, in his own would you know, back the fight and try to bring it there. And if and if Al Hayman is having the issues that people seem to think that he's having, and his schedule would seem to indicate that he's having, you know, he might send Mario Barrios over for a big payday to fight Devin Haney on his own. I could see that happening, but I just don't have the w WBC would justify it, but look, they've done a lot of questionable things in the past, and they might do so here as well.

Well. I think the reason that Matchroom would be much more interested in Hani Barrios than they are Hani Martin is because of the investment they have at one forty seven, specifically one investment they have at seven. That's Bootsenis, who's going to fight July thirteenth. He is one of their tenth pole fighters now. And if you can get a hold of another welterweight title and position Boots to fight Hani in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, that makes sense, then you've got something. And then maybe second quarter of twenty twenty five you can talk Hane Ryan Garcia in a rematch that the one forty stuff. I just don't think it worked for his own because even though Paro's now got a title, they're just not deeply invested in that weight class at the moment. You know, Isakruz got a belt, te Fimo Lopez has got a belt. Now, of course Parro has a belt, But I think at one forty seven, the chance to make hany against Boots gives Hani a better chance of getting a real payday for a fight against Barrios. Do you agree?

Well. I think the reason that Matchroom would be much more interested in Hani Barrios than they are Hani Martin is because of the investment they have at one forty seven, specifically one investment they have at seven. That's Bootsenis, who's going to fight July thirteenth. He is one of their tenth pole fighters now. And if you can get a hold of another welterweight title and position Boots to fight Hani in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, that makes sense, then you've got something. And then maybe second quarter of twenty twenty five you can talk Hane Ryan Garcia in a rematch that the one forty stuff. I just don't think it worked for his own because even though Paro's now got a title, they're just not deeply invested in that weight class at the moment. You know, Isakruz got a belt, te Fimo Lopez has got a belt. Now, of course Parro has a belt, But I think at one forty seven, the chance to make hany against Boots gives Hani a better chance of getting a real payday for a fight against Barrios. Do you agree?

No, I don't.

No, I don't.

Okay, Well, there you go. That's Keith aidek. Everybody we don't have disagree with me on this podcast.

Okay, Well, there you go. That's Keith aidek. Everybody we don't have disagree with me on this podcast.

Because if anybody thinks that Devin Haney's going to move up to one hundred and forty seven pounds after what just happened and beat Jaron Ennis, we're not watching the same things. So he could take a payday to take a beating, Okay, But if it were my money and I were running his own end or matchroom, I would say, well, Boots is fighting in a few weeks anyway, and he's unless something catastrophic happens, he's going to win. Why couldn't you then just make Boots against Mario Barrios and then get him his second title that way. Now, I understand the thinking that Haney and Boots is a bigger fight. It is, but who would look at Devin Haney going into that type of fight as having a realistic chance to win based on what And I'm not saying that John and has completely proven himself at the top level. He hasn't through no fault of his own because he couldn't get Errol Spencer Terrence Crawford to fight him. He wanted those fights. So he still does have something to prove. And I'm not trying to crap on Devin Haney here. I mean, the kids had a fantastic career and everybody has an off night, and you know whatever. It's not that he can't overcome that, but I certainly wouldn't try to overcome that against Geron Ennis in a weight class in which he's never fought. Seems like a tall order. And then maybe they'll pay him enough where he'll do it. Is it a good idea, Is it going to be a competitive fight? Does he belong at one hundred and forty seven pounds? Those are all questions that are that are tough to answer in the affront.

Because if anybody thinks that Devin Haney's going to move up to one hundred and forty seven pounds after what just happened and beat Jaron Ennis, we're not watching the same things. So he could take a payday to take a beating, Okay, But if it were my money and I were running his own end or matchroom, I would say, well, Boots is fighting in a few weeks anyway, and he's unless something catastrophic happens, he's going to win. Why couldn't you then just make Boots against Mario Barrios and then get him his second title that way. Now, I understand the thinking that Haney and Boots is a bigger fight. It is, but who would look at Devin Haney going into that type of fight as having a realistic chance to win based on what And I'm not saying that John and has completely proven himself at the top level. He hasn't through no fault of his own because he couldn't get Errol Spencer Terrence Crawford to fight him. He wanted those fights. So he still does have something to prove. And I'm not trying to crap on Devin Haney here. I mean, the kids had a fantastic career and everybody has an off night, and you know whatever. It's not that he can't overcome that, but I certainly wouldn't try to overcome that against Geron Ennis in a weight class in which he's never fought. Seems like a tall order. And then maybe they'll pay him enough where he'll do it. Is it a good idea, Is it going to be a competitive fight? Does he belong at one hundred and forty seven pounds? Those are all questions that are that are tough to answer in the affront.

Yeah, yeah, Like I think Hani beats Brios, that's for starters. I think at that weight, I just think Barrios is good, but not great. I was think, I mean watching that Fabian Madonna fight. My dad is not a big puncher, And how quickly did Barrios' face swell up in that fight? Like that's becoming a major problem for him, Like just having issues with swelling and I think Hani would would do some damage on that part, not not with big punches, but just precision punches that would cause Barrios some problems. And look, I think Hani good, Look, Hani is going to be undefeated again. I think we've both agree on that this fight is going to be either overturned to a no contest or less likely a disqualification. So he's gonna have that undefeated record, So you give it even more time. Haney gets a win over Barrios, new title at one forty seven. I think Hany and Boots is a pretty big fight, a pretty marketable fight at one forty seven. I agree with you. I would make Boots a big favorite in that fight. You have to pay Devin a premium just to take it. But if I'm thinking of big fights in that weight class, is there anyone any bigger than Hany against.

Yeah, yeah, Like I think Hani beats Brios, that's for starters. I think at that weight, I just think Barrios is good, but not great. I was think, I mean watching that Fabian Madonna fight. My dad is not a big puncher, And how quickly did Barrios' face swell up in that fight? Like that's becoming a major problem for him, Like just having issues with swelling and I think Hani would would do some damage on that part, not not with big punches, but just precision punches that would cause Barrios some problems. And look, I think Hani good, Look, Hani is going to be undefeated again. I think we've both agree on that this fight is going to be either overturned to a no contest or less likely a disqualification. So he's gonna have that undefeated record, So you give it even more time. Haney gets a win over Barrios, new title at one forty seven. I think Hany and Boots is a pretty big fight, a pretty marketable fight at one forty seven. I agree with you. I would make Boots a big favorite in that fight. You have to pay Devin a premium just to take it. But if I'm thinking of big fights in that weight class, is there anyone any bigger than Hany against.

Is there anything bigger than him fighting Ryan Garcia? Again?

Is there anything bigger than him fighting Ryan Garcia? Again?

No, No, I think that's even bigger. Yeah, and maybe you have the title on the line, Like I think getting that title for Hani would open up a lot of doors. Unification fights with Boots, a fight with Ryan Garcia. I think, all of a sudden, he's a big time player in another division. Again, that's kind of my viewpoint on it. Would he beat Ryan at one forty seven? I think it's competitive. Look, we've talked about this in the past, but he won most of the rounds he didn't get in in that fight against Ryan. Boots is a different animal altogether. Boots is really good. Boots will beat you by decision, Boots beat you by knockout. Boots can do a lot of different things. And and he's a really big one forty seven. I mean, that's a guy that's talked about going to one sixty maybe one sixty eight before his career is over. So that that's a tall task for Devin Haney. But if he can get Barrios to kind of put a button on it, I think that's the smartest play out there for him, Like get Barrios, get a title, uh, and then see what your options are in twenty twenty five.

No, No, I think that's even bigger. Yeah, and maybe you have the title on the line, Like I think getting that title for Hani would open up a lot of doors. Unification fights with Boots, a fight with Ryan Garcia. I think, all of a sudden, he's a big time player in another division. Again, that's kind of my viewpoint on it. Would he beat Ryan at one forty seven? I think it's competitive. Look, we've talked about this in the past, but he won most of the rounds he didn't get in in that fight against Ryan. Boots is a different animal altogether. Boots is really good. Boots will beat you by decision, Boots beat you by knockout. Boots can do a lot of different things. And and he's a really big one forty seven. I mean, that's a guy that's talked about going to one sixty maybe one sixty eight before his career is over. So that that's a tall task for Devin Haney. But if he can get Barrios to kind of put a button on it, I think that's the smartest play out there for him, Like get Barrios, get a title, uh, and then see what your options are in twenty twenty five.

Yeah, and Chris, I think you're right in that he would beat Barrios. And you know, Baros is a tough kid. He's taken a lot of tough fights. Not the best defensive fighter. As you said, the swelling around his face is becoming an issue. He didn't look particularly good in the Fabian m macdonna fight. Although he won, I expected him to win in much more convincing and impressive fashion than he did. But I just think overall, for Devin Haney, as I mentioned that that the Ryan Garcia rematch is the fight where he'll make the most money, there would be the most tension placed upon it for obvious for reasons. I think that's the fight that he's That's why the Sandor Martin fight for me made sense and just keeping him busy to get to the Ryan Garcia rematch, because there's nothing bigger for Devin Haney based on what has happened here than the Garcia rematch. He'll be paid an enormous amount of money, as he should. He was wronged here in some ways, and maybe, you know, they just thought that Ryan Garcia was such an easy mark that he would just go forward with the fight. That's clearly what they thought. They came in three plus pounds overweight and they're just like, yeah, go ahead, whatever will beat you anyway. So they were overconfident in that sense. But he deserves an opportunity to redeem himself on an even playing field with the best ped testing that they conceivably could do, and hopefully that happens for him because because he was wronged in some way, right, I mean, you know, the guy comes in overweights. Whether he did it on purpose, whatever anyone wants to believe about Ryan Garcia's use of a ped or whether you know how it got into a s the fact remains that it was in a system and it's and it's against the rules and shouldn't have happened. So Hani deserves his rematch and I hope he gets it.

Yeah, and Chris, I think you're right in that he would beat Barrios. And you know, Baros is a tough kid. He's taken a lot of tough fights. Not the best defensive fighter. As you said, the swelling around his face is becoming an issue. He didn't look particularly good in the Fabian m macdonna fight. Although he won, I expected him to win in much more convincing and impressive fashion than he did. But I just think overall, for Devin Haney, as I mentioned that that the Ryan Garcia rematch is the fight where he'll make the most money, there would be the most tension placed upon it for obvious for reasons. I think that's the fight that he's That's why the Sandor Martin fight for me made sense and just keeping him busy to get to the Ryan Garcia rematch, because there's nothing bigger for Devin Haney based on what has happened here than the Garcia rematch. He'll be paid an enormous amount of money, as he should. He was wronged here in some ways, and maybe, you know, they just thought that Ryan Garcia was such an easy mark that he would just go forward with the fight. That's clearly what they thought. They came in three plus pounds overweight and they're just like, yeah, go ahead, whatever will beat you anyway. So they were overconfident in that sense. But he deserves an opportunity to redeem himself on an even playing field with the best ped testing that they conceivably could do, and hopefully that happens for him because because he was wronged in some way, right, I mean, you know, the guy comes in overweights. Whether he did it on purpose, whatever anyone wants to believe about Ryan Garcia's use of a ped or whether you know how it got into a s the fact remains that it was in a system and it's and it's against the rules and shouldn't have happened. So Hani deserves his rematch and I hope he gets it.

Yeah, And I think going to one forty seven though, like that Ryan rematch will be at one forty seven, Like it's not going to be at one forty So maybe for Hani going to one forty seven, getting a fight at that weight, maybe that's beneficial to him more than just starving yourself back down to fight in a stinker against Sander Martin for less money than you want. But yeah, either way, I think Devn's futures at one forty seven, Ryan's future at one forty seven, then one of those guys can dare to be great and take on Boots. So I think that's a big tough task for either one of them at that weight class. Last thing, for you is speaking of purse bids, we had one that was canceled this week between Canelo Alvarez and your favorite fighter in mine, William Skull, who is the IBF mandatory for Canelos one hundred and sixty eight pound belt. As we said, your Keith, I don't really know what the outcome of that was. I don't think it's gonna end and with Canelo fighting William Skull, that's that's my best guess. Uh. Maybe a step aside Phoe, maybe William Skull winds up on one of Canelo's undercards moving forward, but I don't think as Canello looks for that next opponent, presumably in September, that William Skull is going to be it. What's your read on the Canelo Skull situation.

Yeah, And I think going to one forty seven though, like that Ryan rematch will be at one forty seven, Like it's not going to be at one forty So maybe for Hani going to one forty seven, getting a fight at that weight, maybe that's beneficial to him more than just starving yourself back down to fight in a stinker against Sander Martin for less money than you want. But yeah, either way, I think Devn's futures at one forty seven, Ryan's future at one forty seven, then one of those guys can dare to be great and take on Boots. So I think that's a big tough task for either one of them at that weight class. Last thing, for you is speaking of purse bids, we had one that was canceled this week between Canelo Alvarez and your favorite fighter in mine, William Skull, who is the IBF mandatory for Canelos one hundred and sixty eight pound belt. As we said, your Keith, I don't really know what the outcome of that was. I don't think it's gonna end and with Canelo fighting William Skull, that's that's my best guess. Uh. Maybe a step aside Phoe, maybe William Skull winds up on one of Canelo's undercards moving forward, but I don't think as Canello looks for that next opponent, presumably in September, that William Skull is going to be it. What's your read on the Canelo Skull situation.

Uh, PBC is in a different situation financially, as we well know, than they were over the last several years when they were affiliated with Showtime. But I think that the way they'll approach William Skull is much the way that they approached Bakram Mrtizaliev, who they repeatedly paid for fighting on undercards.

Uh, PBC is in a different situation financially, as we well know, than they were over the last several years when they were affiliated with Showtime. But I think that the way they'll approach William Skull is much the way that they approached Bakram Mrtizaliev, who they repeatedly paid for fighting on undercards.

Like five times. They Bakram of course one hundred and fifty four pound champion. Now, he was the main events fighter who was fighting you probably who probably took paydays like five or six times, no, no joke, like five or six times to fight on undercards, Chris.

Like five times. They Bakram of course one hundred and fifty four pound champion. Now, he was the main events fighter who was fighting you probably who probably took paydays like five or six times, no, no joke, like five or six times to fight on undercards, Chris.

This is no exaggeration whatsoever. He became a multi millionaire by taking step aside fees for this because Jamel Charlow was you know, and then Jamel got hurt and everything, and he was the undisputed champion. They wanted him to fight Tim Zoo and all that. But it became a lucrative business for for Murtazaliev and to a lesser degree for main events. You know, it was his manager, he just he gets claims. Why wouldn't they accept these step aside fees for what were mostly gimmes, you know they It wasn't like they were putting him in with monsters for several hundred thousand dollars. I mean, he was being paid well for tune up fights, and then when he got his opportunity, he won.

This is no exaggeration whatsoever. He became a multi millionaire by taking step aside fees for this because Jamel Charlow was you know, and then Jamel got hurt and everything, and he was the undisputed champion. They wanted him to fight Tim Zoo and all that. But it became a lucrative business for for Murtazaliev and to a lesser degree for main events. You know, it was his manager, he just he gets claims. Why wouldn't they accept these step aside fees for what were mostly gimmes, you know they It wasn't like they were putting him in with monsters for several hundred thousand dollars. I mean, he was being paid well for tune up fights, and then when he got his opportunity, he won.

You know.

You know.

So he's the IBF champion now, So could that eventually happen for Williams Skull? Sure? I mean if he eventually does wind up fighting Vladimir Shishkin for a title and then you know, he'll get his chance. But until then he'll be paid, and I don't know that they'll pay him quite what they were paying Murtazalia because they might not be able to do that now, but but there certainly will be some step aside fees because I the short answer to the question is no, I don't see Canelo Alvarez ever fighting William Skull because what point would there be to that. I mean, it's not going to enhance Canelo's legacy. No one's going to want to pay for the fight. How would he get motivated for that type of fight? And for what? To say that he's the under Everyone considers him the undisputed super middleweight champion already, so what would he mean by fighting William Skull? So I think that's the way it will play out. And then, you know, as we discussed before, I think Canelo will wind up fighting Edgar Bulanga.

So he's the IBF champion now, So could that eventually happen for Williams Skull? Sure? I mean if he eventually does wind up fighting Vladimir Shishkin for a title and then you know, he'll get his chance. But until then he'll be paid, and I don't know that they'll pay him quite what they were paying Murtazalia because they might not be able to do that now, but but there certainly will be some step aside fees because I the short answer to the question is no, I don't see Canelo Alvarez ever fighting William Skull because what point would there be to that. I mean, it's not going to enhance Canelo's legacy. No one's going to want to pay for the fight. How would he get motivated for that type of fight? And for what? To say that he's the under Everyone considers him the undisputed super middleweight champion already, so what would he mean by fighting William Skull? So I think that's the way it will play out. And then, you know, as we discussed before, I think Canelo will wind up fighting Edgar Bulanga.

And.

And.

If the people who are offering this kind of money get their way, then he would fight Terrence Crawford, who has a difficult fight coming up on August third.

If the people who are offering this kind of money get their way, then he would fight Terrence Crawford, who has a difficult fight coming up on August third.

Your disrespect of William Skull continues, Keith, I'm telling you.

Your disrespect of William Skull continues, Keith, I'm telling you.

I'm telling him to take the money.

I'm telling him to take the money.

And you know you didn't see you didn't see the Skull Sean Heppel fight on the Canelo undercard last time out. That was a virtuoso performance by my man William Skull. And he's sits at the top of the IBF food chain for a reason. Keith, that is right, That is that is the true threat to Canelo in the super middleweight division.

And you know you didn't see you didn't see the Skull Sean Heppel fight on the Canelo undercard last time out. That was a virtuoso performance by my man William Skull. And he's sits at the top of the IBF food chain for a reason. Keith, that is right, That is that is the true threat to Canelo in the super middleweight division.

It paid six figure step aside fees. It's quite a business too.

It paid six figure step aside fees. It's quite a business too.

Wasn't there, Like and I'm just sort of spitball here, but I I remember, like the IBF didn't they used to not allow this kind of stuff. Didn't you like have to take like mandatories, They didn't do step aside fees, Like am I imagining that?

Wasn't there, Like and I'm just sort of spitball here, but I I remember, like the IBF didn't they used to not allow this kind of stuff. Didn't you like have to take like mandatories, They didn't do step aside fees, Like am I imagining that?

Like? I think, you know, they all realized that the unification fights this is usually applies to unification fights now would not be a unification fight because he already has all the titles, but they would do that in the case of unification fights, it would trump everything else. And they, yeah, yes, it's I guess they all kind of like, what reasonable justification could they have given for not sanctioning Daniel Dubois and Philip Hergovich for the full IBF title, because that's they led both of those camps to believe what happened, and then they didn't do it. They still haven't done it. Now they could, I guess they could elevate Dubois to full champion and his fight against Joshua could be for the IBF title, which is what they all want. But no one, as we again have discussed before, no one's going to look at the winner of the Dubois Joshua fight as a legitimate champion. I mean, because Usik has already beaten both of them. So even if Fury won hasn't beaten both of the he's still going to be considered, you know, the the undisputed champion at that point.

Like? I think, you know, they all realized that the unification fights this is usually applies to unification fights now would not be a unification fight because he already has all the titles, but they would do that in the case of unification fights, it would trump everything else. And they, yeah, yes, it's I guess they all kind of like, what reasonable justification could they have given for not sanctioning Daniel Dubois and Philip Hergovich for the full IBF title, because that's they led both of those camps to believe what happened, and then they didn't do it. They still haven't done it. Now they could, I guess they could elevate Dubois to full champion and his fight against Joshua could be for the IBF title, which is what they all want. But no one, as we again have discussed before, no one's going to look at the winner of the Dubois Joshua fight as a legitimate champion. I mean, because Usik has already beaten both of them. So even if Fury won hasn't beaten both of the he's still going to be considered, you know, the the undisputed champion at that point.

So I wonder if they do that for this Dubois Joshua fight, which is presumably going to be announced sometime next week, because it was my understanding that had things gone according to plan and Herkovic had won that fight against Dubois, he was going to get elevated, you know, in the in the weeks after the Dubois fight. Now we're three weeks now removed from from that fight, and still no word from the ibf about what's going to happen, and I know that AJ, even though he wouldn't be the heavyweight champion anymore, AJ wants that belt. He wants to become a three time heavyweight champion. That's one of the appeals of a fighting Daniel Boat in this next spot, I wonder how that's all gonna shake it. Now. Money tends to talk right, Like, you know, there could be some money flowing there that convinces Anthony Joshua that it's okay to fight for interim version of the title and then wait for the winner of Usik against Fury. But that is one I'm keep my eye on moving forward, Like what happens with that belt.

So I wonder if they do that for this Dubois Joshua fight, which is presumably going to be announced sometime next week, because it was my understanding that had things gone according to plan and Herkovic had won that fight against Dubois, he was going to get elevated, you know, in the in the weeks after the Dubois fight. Now we're three weeks now removed from from that fight, and still no word from the ibf about what's going to happen, and I know that AJ, even though he wouldn't be the heavyweight champion anymore, AJ wants that belt. He wants to become a three time heavyweight champion. That's one of the appeals of a fighting Daniel Boat in this next spot, I wonder how that's all gonna shake it. Now. Money tends to talk right, Like, you know, there could be some money flowing there that convinces Anthony Joshua that it's okay to fight for interim version of the title and then wait for the winner of Usik against Fury. But that is one I'm keep my eye on moving forward, Like what happens with that belt.

Yeah, I think Chris, ultimately, if you're Anthony Joshua, as long as you get the winner of the Fury Usick fight, and from the people who are paying for these fights, from their perspective, I'm sure they hope that that's Fury, because there's not I couldn't imagine there's much interest in a third Usik Joshua fight, Whereas everyone has wanted to see Fury Joshua for quite some time and we still haven't seen it. So I guess they would want Fury to win the fight, but if you're him, I wouldn't quibble about whether it's for the interim time because no one considers you the champion anyway, Those like who.

Yeah, I think Chris, ultimately, if you're Anthony Joshua, as long as you get the winner of the Fury Usick fight, and from the people who are paying for these fights, from their perspective, I'm sure they hope that that's Fury, because there's not I couldn't imagine there's much interest in a third Usik Joshua fight, Whereas everyone has wanted to see Fury Joshua for quite some time and we still haven't seen it. So I guess they would want Fury to win the fight, but if you're him, I wouldn't quibble about whether it's for the interim time because no one considers you the champion anyway, Those like who.

Are you fooling?

Are you fooling?

I'm not saying Anthony Joshua even looks at it that way, but it's not fooling anyone. So you lost to Usik. No one considers you the champ, so it's valuable in the senses. I guess he could enforce a mandatory of some sort down the road, but they didn't enforce the mandatories before there would be more money at stake if Joshua was involved. We all know that, but I don't know. I still don't understand why they just didn't fight for the regular title. Why Hergovich and Dubois was not sanctioned for the regular title when that's what they had told everyone all along. They were going to fight for the four belts one time and that was it. What changed along the way, I don't know, but they can't get an answer out of them.

I'm not saying Anthony Joshua even looks at it that way, but it's not fooling anyone. So you lost to Usik. No one considers you the champ, so it's valuable in the senses. I guess he could enforce a mandatory of some sort down the road, but they didn't enforce the mandatories before there would be more money at stake if Joshua was involved. We all know that, but I don't know. I still don't understand why they just didn't fight for the regular title. Why Hergovich and Dubois was not sanctioned for the regular title when that's what they had told everyone all along. They were going to fight for the four belts one time and that was it. What changed along the way, I don't know, but they can't get an answer out of them.

But you know what's going to happen is William Skull is going to beat Canlo that he's going to move up and challenge for the IBF heavyweight title. He is going to become the IBF king in all these weight classes because William Skull is the man. William Skull is the Boogeyman. We've talked about Boogeyman all the time in boxing. You know, Hergovic was the boogeyman. Super Rematias was the Boogeyman. The real boogeyman is the Cuban who fights out of Germany.

But you know what's going to happen is William Skull is going to beat Canlo that he's going to move up and challenge for the IBF heavyweight title. He is going to become the IBF king in all these weight classes because William Skull is the man. William Skull is the Boogeyman. We've talked about Boogeyman all the time in boxing. You know, Hergovic was the boogeyman. Super Rematias was the Boogeyman. The real boogeyman is the Cuban who fights out of Germany.

William Skull, well, I'll leave the boogeyman stuff to Sergio who made it sound like superal Matias was an unbeatable monster who had already been beaten by the way, correct. And I know Sergio knew that because he talked about it at length. But but yeah, that's what happens in boxing. Just when we all and I'm not knocking, so we've all been there, we all think we haven't figured out at some point. That's that's what makes boxing great, you know, because it's full of surprises, and guys beat guys we don't think that they can beat and you know that's that's part of the fun of it. But and good for Liam power Man, I mean, you know, it's.

William Skull, well, I'll leave the boogeyman stuff to Sergio who made it sound like superal Matias was an unbeatable monster who had already been beaten by the way, correct. And I know Sergio knew that because he talked about it at length. But but yeah, that's what happens in boxing. Just when we all and I'm not knocking, so we've all been there, we all think we haven't figured out at some point. That's that's what makes boxing great, you know, because it's full of surprises, and guys beat guys we don't think that they can beat and you know that's that's part of the fun of it. But and good for Liam power Man, I mean, you know, it's.

Great for him. I saw Keith. I saw so I saw some stuff on social media which I shouldn't even be looking at because I don't know why I do. But like like Eddie Hern getting criticized for getting one of his top signees beat. Like if super Amatias cannot beat Liam Paro, he's not good enough to fight, you know, Tayofia Malpez or Devin Haney or these other guys in unification fights, Like what do we want these guys to fight absolute you know, no hopers in their first fight, like Barrow. Barrow was undefeated, like he was coming off two good wins. I thought that was I thought Mattia is gonna win, you know, eventually by knockout. But Parol was a perfectly legitimate opponent, And I see no reason to like Mattia's just lost, like he just lost. He got out boxed by a guy that wanted it more.

Great for him. I saw Keith. I saw so I saw some stuff on social media which I shouldn't even be looking at because I don't know why I do. But like like Eddie Hern getting criticized for getting one of his top signees beat. Like if super Amatias cannot beat Liam Paro, he's not good enough to fight, you know, Tayofia Malpez or Devin Haney or these other guys in unification fights, Like what do we want these guys to fight absolute you know, no hopers in their first fight, like Barrow. Barrow was undefeated, like he was coming off two good wins. I thought that was I thought Mattia is gonna win, you know, eventually by knockout. But Parol was a perfectly legitimate opponent, And I see no reason to like Mattia's just lost, like he just lost. He got out boxed by a guy that wanted it more.

Well, what again, what do people want? You can't criticize them for making mismatches and then criticize them for getting the guy that they just signed knocked off because he was a fight. I mean that that's the world of social media, the irrational world of social media, of course. But Parol beat he laid a beating on Montana Love. He's a tough guy. He obviously knows how to fight. On the inside, he's a very nice guy. I know you've dealt with him, I've I've dealt with him in the past. Very humble and of course he had some motive, more emotional motivation than most fighters, you know, with his friend having died a few years ago, and and he did it for him and all that. But you know, it's an incredible story what the guy did. He goes to Puerto Rico, ruins his homecoming, wins the title. Now he's in position for for fights too, you know, to be the next guy in Australia who goes and probably will get the Australian government to back at least one of his title defenses down there. So it's a it's a great story, man, and he seems like a really humble guy in my dealings with him. And then the fight on Saturday and the aftermath of the fight and everything. But that's that's that's what boxing's about, Like just you know, guys who change their lives and the lives of their families by pulling off these crazy upsets and stuff, and that's what it's That's what it's about, man, and uh and good for him.

Well, what again, what do people want? You can't criticize them for making mismatches and then criticize them for getting the guy that they just signed knocked off because he was a fight. I mean that that's the world of social media, the irrational world of social media, of course. But Parol beat he laid a beating on Montana Love. He's a tough guy. He obviously knows how to fight. On the inside, he's a very nice guy. I know you've dealt with him, I've I've dealt with him in the past. Very humble and of course he had some motive, more emotional motivation than most fighters, you know, with his friend having died a few years ago, and and he did it for him and all that. But you know, it's an incredible story what the guy did. He goes to Puerto Rico, ruins his homecoming, wins the title. Now he's in position for for fights too, you know, to be the next guy in Australia who goes and probably will get the Australian government to back at least one of his title defenses down there. So it's a it's a great story, man, and he seems like a really humble guy in my dealings with him. And then the fight on Saturday and the aftermath of the fight and everything. But that's that's that's what boxing's about, Like just you know, guys who change their lives and the lives of their families by pulling off these crazy upsets and stuff, and that's what it's That's what it's about, man, and uh and good for him.

The Australian government needs a win down there. They're owing three entitle fights in the last couple of years, so they.

The Australian government needs a win down there. They're owing three entitle fights in the last couple of years, so they.

Need to imagine. Do you imagine going to the state of New Jersey and saying, hey, how about you throw like, uh, forget the budget, you know, forget the deficit here in New Jersey. How about you put six million behind shakhor Stevenson against him.

Need to imagine. Do you imagine going to the state of New Jersey and saying, hey, how about you throw like, uh, forget the budget, you know, forget the deficit here in New Jersey. How about you put six million behind shakhor Stevenson against him.

Ever, you know, well, how about you put a few million behind Paro against Richardson Hitchens, which I think is going to be the fight that they make down there. Hitches. The IBF mandatory is gonna push hard uh to enforce that. Uh going to that fight. I think Paro has got a few months to make a voluntary but I think it's gonna be Hitches. I think they'll they'll wind up making that particular fight. Keith, good stuff man. Check out Keith on social media at ideck Boxing. Always appreciate your time, my friend.

Ever, you know, well, how about you put a few million behind Paro against Richardson Hitchens, which I think is going to be the fight that they make down there. Hitches. The IBF mandatory is gonna push hard uh to enforce that. Uh going to that fight. I think Paro has got a few months to make a voluntary but I think it's gonna be Hitches. I think they'll they'll wind up making that particular fight. Keith, good stuff man. Check out Keith on social media at ideck Boxing. Always appreciate your time, my friend.

Yeah, thanks, Chris, appreciate it man.

Yeah, thanks, Chris, appreciate it man.

That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Keith Ideck for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you next week, Mannick. I'm a man on the run and I'm not doing your fucking podcast. We're not doing it, bro, I'm a man on the run, on the run.

That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Keith Ideck for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you next week, Mannick. I'm a man on the run and I'm not doing your fucking podcast. We're not doing it, bro, I'm a man on the run, on the run.