Explicit

Standing on BIG Business (Featuring Miss Lawrence)

Published Nov 26, 2024, 8:00 AM

This week on the show your BFF's invite LEGEND Miss Lawrence to the mic to talk self preservation during the holidays, standing on BIG business and how we plan to fix our plates for turkey day, sans Christopher Columbus. 

Make the haters mad and rate us 5 stars. We want to connect with you more! Send us an email with your thoughts/comments about the show: BlackFatFemmePod@gmail.com.

Also, don’t forget to watch and subscribe on YouTube


Follow the show on social: Instagram | BlueSky | Tik-Tok 

Follow DoctorJonPaul:  BlueSkyInstagram | Website | Tik-Tok 

Follow Jordan: Instagram | Website | Tik-Tok 

Follow Miss Lawrence: Instagram

 

The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio and Doctor Sean Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the award winning Blackfeat Finn Podcast. Well, all the intersections of identity are celebrated. I'm one of your hosts, John also known as Doctor John Paul, and I want to thank our lesseners for getting me together last week. You know, a few of y'all jumped in my DMS. It was like, it's not blue Bonnet, it's blue Bell, and so I was wrong, y'all was right, and everybody is busy good now. So we don't have Bluebell here on the West Coast, and I am still mad about it. No matter what y'all say, we still don't have it. And I'm still wanting my Bluebel ice cream. So if anybody wants to go ahead and shift that to me, I am taking my A one C medicine regularly. I can eat it now, So please feel free to send some down to my house. I'll give you my address if you hit me up. But you know, before we get started, Joe Ho, you know what I'm mad about. You should know that pringles are three dollars a can dollar three whole for a regular can of pringles. What the hell is going on between the cabinets in my home? It is insane how expensive things have become. So yeah, I just wanted to share with y'all that y'all might be wanting to check the prices of your pringles because uh, it's explicive. But anyway, how you doing.

I just I'm still stuck on the blue bonnet thing because we were googling Bluebonet last weekend. It is an ice cream provider.

It's true, it's true, but we have it here.

It's one.

It's the one with the bunny.

Uh.

I think blue bunny is. I think it's are we might be wait, blue bonnet is butter.

Blue, also ice cream?

No, blue bonnet is is butter and blue.

I'm looking at it now.

Blue bon ink right here.

They give ice cream, but the but like like they're oh they're a distributor exactly.

They don't. So I was that on the blue bell.

That's wild okay, now that's what Oh my yeah, blue they got the bunny. Blue bell is totally okay.

That makes that makes sense. Talking about making me blue in the face, Yeah it is. It's sugarl Jordan or Joe Hoo and today. So yeah, I think I understand why brinnany ca her hair off.

One of like no, I think I understand.

Like I I too, to get give it, give it the big chop.

I think I'm fine.

Okay, you think you're done with your hair like me, you're doing.

A lot of things like where I'm like, I'm not going with everything, Like long as.

You don't hit nobody but an umbrella, I think we'll all be okay if.

I had them with an umbrella. That is honestly the least of their worries. Ubrella. Umbrella is the nicest weapon I can be using. Okay, other things.

Okay, that reminds me before before we introduce our guests. That reminds me of the photo I've been using of Wendy Williams holding a gun. I don't know where that came from, but.

There is money.

There's a mean we we're holding a gun, and I'm like, I feel you, Indy, I feel you. But anyway, all that to be said, in this terrible world, there are some amazing things and amazing people that are coming down to the podcast, and we're so happy to have them.

This week.

We are introducing who I like to say, a legend, honey, and I can't. Okay, she is the moment. Okay, she is a legend. She is the moment. Now come on now. Our next guest is an actress and singer. But more than anything, they are in their very right open. They are the reason why I believe that The Real Housewives of Atlanta is what it is. You've got to give credit were credit is due. You have seen her show Fashioned Queens on Bravo, but now you can see her live loud and live loud and in color on this show. Miss Lawrence, how are you, my love?

So happy that it's a pleasure? Thank you for inviting me.

I feel like it's been a long time coming because we met what was that last last?

That was your last? Yeah? Was it?

It was because I met you at the first Forbes Black Summit and they I went to the one they had this year and yeah, so it's been too So it's been about.

My god, my god. One of moments. Yes, tom time she she don't wait for nobody, She really don't want to nobody.

Yeah, well about my girl time she was she wish no one. We hate to see her coming okay, really.

She'd be getting us all up in here and together.

Honey, well or have you here today, mss girl?

And so we always do her on the show.

We're gonna start the show like we every week, with our still here sayment to give our flowers to our favorite lady, Miss Tisha Campbell, and we're gonna try off asking a question today, what's advice you might have for folks who are struggling with this upcoming holiday season? Because it's so for me, So I'll just say this for me if it's kind of Graham like in some ways, I'm like, I'm like, okay, y'all, this is gonna be. This is this is gonna be the last holiday season of freedom that we have for at least the next four years. That I do too, However, for the for the next four years, I mean not ever.

No, I get it. It can easily feel that way.

However, I've been telling people I know who I serve and I know who I belong to, and I'm gonna be okay, we are gonna be okay. For those that believe I have never given man that much power over me, well, okay, like I refuse to do so my advice to people that may be struggling mentally and spiritually during the holiday season is to just just trust and also know that it is okay to feel a certain way, to you know, feel a little gray sometimes, and also know that you're not by yourself.

And I also.

Charge you to also charge you to you know, make sure that you try to find some peace of mind somewhere. You know, don't be weighed down by the burdens of what the holiday season typically consists of, which is.

Gift buying and caroling.

What if you don't feel like doing it, if you ain't got the coiner, do it, honey, Go have a drink, Go have a cocktail, Go smoke your blunt or something somewhere.

Not a blood pay it.

You know what I'm saying, y'all. Yeah, And and pay it. You know what I'm saying. But whatever that thing is, it brings you joy.

Go for do it?

Do it? Amen?

What about you?

Joho?

What what are your What do you been thinking about? My love?

Like I said, it's the last I just know you'll just today is not I typically am like I'm people like a girl who's full of butter and cheer, And today I am just full of what's the word, like, it's just it's just what's that that Maga songs?

One of them days? It is one of them days.

Oh come on runs, Yes you have day. You do this to me on my show and show me up.

Yeah she yes, yeah.

I mean of her dancing and that if.

I could muster up something, I think it would be like, well, you know what I could say is I know folks, like people are stressed right now, and people's bodies are probably shifting because that's stress. And so I know, anna be out with your families and they're gonna say something about your body, and like this is you're say fuck them.

This is here to be like you know what, you gangly ass.

Bitch, yes say about my body. You can shove it up with shove it up with a turkey, or you can put in your hand. But I am not like, don't take no ship from nobody, Okay, button defy gravity, girl, like non accepting limits, don't be uh, don't be playing the rules someone else's game.

Say I'm tired of this and I'm gonna live my own life. And because like this, this, this.

This whole season, we need to be we we we we we to pour the most and people that love us and the show up for us and ourselves as well too, and pour out of.

Those who try, you know, pour out those who try to go against us.

It's just, yeah, I'm glad you brought this up. I had made a note in our in our show flow that you know, I have been thinking about this, this thing of like protect your peace, and even today in a in a work meeting, you know, me and my colleague were going back and forth about something, and so I want to make very clear that I love and I'm not sure if this colleague listens, but if he does listen, I do want to let him know. You know, I'm not going to say his name, but what I will say is I don't want him thinking I disagree with him. I do understand the importance of you know, so basically, I'll give you some kind of context. He was basically, we were getting into a conversation about advocacy, and he was saying, we need to start doing more work around trying to help folks who may seem like they struggle with understanding us and understanding you know, our plight as queer people. We need to do more work around that and I was explaining to him that I feel like in the last six to seven years that i've been as forward facing and all of the work that I have done, that there is still a surmount of people who are committed to misunderstanding us, and that I don't have the energy to keep trying to educate people who don't want to be educated. And so I'm in the mind of, specifically now and kind of to your point, miss Lawrence, right, protecting my peace at all costs, and recognizing and understanding that, yeah, it is hell out there in the hallway, but right here in where I am, I have peace. And so that's what I have been telling people, right, figuring out what piece looks like for you. If you feel the need to go over to a family member's house and cuss them out because you know they did something, whether it be voting for voting for Trump, or you know, maybe they're talking behind your back as the like, if you want to cuss.

Them out, I give you liberty to go over to the.

House and flip a table, you know, But if you are also in the mind like me, where you're like, I'm gonna stay home because I don't these niggas ain't.

I don't.

I don't have it for any of them. I'm staying my black ass at home. I'm ordering Denny's, and I'm I'm gonna watch a whole bunch of trash TV. Right, you can do that too. That is what me and my husband are doing on Thursday. We're not going anywhere. We're not we're not seeing nobody. We're not doing because we are tired, right, we don't have the energy. And so I think I think, you know, when it comes to the holidays, and I've written about this, right, there's no I don't think there's any wrong way to do the holidays. I don't, you know, Like I said, if you want to go and you want to calls hell and pandemonium, you flip that table like Teresa Giudice, Okay, you prostitution ho right like you You you have the right get them nasty ash mashed potatoes out my face, right, like you have the right to cause mayhem. But if you decide that you want to keep the peace that you do want, you know, to kind of preserve yourself, I think there's really no wrong way for you to, you know, to advocate for yourself during the season. So I think it's impairedime. I say this like because this episode will come out on literally the day before Thanksgiving, and I know people are probably listening and wondering, like, you know, John, y'all have y'all have mentioned the holidays in the past, but we've never really directly said, like, what should people be doing to protect themselves during the holidays? And I'm really hoping that you know, what everyone said, I feel like was a really important word.

So okay, come on now, well listeners, now that we have you all ready to throw a whole thanks Giving a ham up.

Some were hating a quick break, We'll be back.

In a second to talk more with the living legend themselves and miss Lawrence more than just a.

Sec I know.

So we are black and we are back with our Category A section, and this is where we oftentimes talk about a topic or we talk about something where we really kind of get into kind of the depths of someone's journey or someone's experience. And so for those who are new here, that is really what category is. It's really an opportunity for us to kind of just delve in and get kind of behind you, pull the curtain back a little bit. What the weed is doing back there. And so with that being said, this week we have our beautiful guests Ms. Lawrence here, And as I was prepping this show, you know, trying to really kind of thinking about, you know, what kind of conversation that I feel would be beneficial for everybody, right because I know there's mounds of questions we all have. One of the things I was thinking about, and you know, I kind of jumped into my journalistic bag a little bit and I did a little bit in this sleuthin and I watched some of the shows you were on, uh recently, and I think for me, you know, while I could spend hours and hours and hours asking you all the questions about your experience with Real Housewives of Atlanta and you know, the stuff that you you did with your show from twenty fifteen to twenty sex like all of that stuff I could do, I think it's twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen. I think what's more important for me to kind of know is that you've spent a lot of time in entertainment and there's a conversation around representation that we also could have. But I think what's more important is for us to talk about how you as a brand, and how you as a queer person in the industry, how you stand on business, and how you've advocated for yourself in so many different ways as a black fefemine. So and I say all of that to say that you know, fat is here on this show. For those who've been listening and for those who are new, we say fat as it being very much kind of like a diaspora term. We know what our bodies look like, you know how the world responds to our bodies, especially in the ways that we show up, and so very inclusive term here. But we really wanted to ask first, you know, what does it mean for miss Lawrence to stand on business?

It is very challenging. It has not, as.

Langston Hughes once said, life ain't been no crystal staircase.

Hello, I opened my book with that go off.

No crystal staircase. There have been times when you know, there.

Have been times wherever sometimes I felt like there was no room to stand on right because you've had so many powers that be to and directly tell you or make you feel like just be happy you're in the room. And I think the I guess the best answer I would have is there have been times where I've chosen to walk away from from situations, are from projects because it didn't feel right, because it didn't align with who I am as a person, as a black, flaming, queer, gay whatever individual. It didn't align with with who I am in my responsibility for my community being that I have a platform. And that's the way I've stood on business in the past. You know, because of the industry, you get but so much wiggle room when it gets down to the business of the industry and of of the you know, of.

The craft or what have you.

So that is something that I am still in discovery about and I am still working working through. You know, when is it okay to say I want this and not what you offer me and not be afraid that opmmunity is in jeopardy, you know what I'm saying.

I'm still navigating through that.

But the way that I stand on business for myself in my life, regardless of what industry that I'm in.

Is I am never afraid to pivot.

I'm never afraid to explore other opportunities that I one hundred percent control. You know, I grew up I started as a hairstylist and was in the beauty industry for twenty years before I retired from the salon industry. That is something that I totally controlled. I was my own boss. I created everything on my own right. And now that I am I've transitioned fully as an actor, now that I'm learning more and more of the business of film and television, I am learning. Okay, Wait, I need something else that I can also control, so that when I do want to tell a system to kiss my ass because of an unfair offer or unfair treatment, I have this thing that I've been able to control myself to sustain me because I live a nice lifestyle. I love it, and I don't I don't want to. I don't want to jeopardize that because of you know, because of unfair treatment, unfair pay, unfair I don't.

I don't want to do it, you know.

So you know, sometimes we know that when things shift or the destriction in the industry, the folks are, you know, kind of made to feel quiet or made to keep quiet about it. You're like when open is like were you silent or silenced? Like it's it's very much like thought she ate with that one, and she did but I was like, girl, relax but like but like she there's the point about an industry, like you're off in silence to do to to be quiet, like about the pression your face, the things that you face that because you don't want you don't want to jeopardize what you have. But I think the industry requires us to also use our outside voice inside the room to get folks to take us seriously as well too, and so hearing you know, it's like it's like it sounds like miss that you have really gathered some tools in like a toolbox to get yourself to be heard and seen.

I'm curious you can share more about, like.

You know, like what those tools practically like, like what their practical tools are.

So people who are in this industry as well, can.

That, you know, they that they also can be taken seriously, that they can also stand own business without fear of having their stuff be taken taken away from them.

All I can say is.

Stand on truth. And I feel like standing on truth is also standing on business. HM.

But I think the work is internal, right because stand on as if you stand on truth, you have to do the work on the inside to not be afraid of what happens after. And that's the only nuggets that.

I could offer you. I could, I could, you know, Typically.

One would say, you know, have your attorneys, have your agents, have your managers? Well, if you're me, I don't have an agent. I've never been able to get an agent. I have sought after every major agency, I mean, you name it, go down the list, and I was denied. Every time I was considered unusual talent. They would tell me they don't really know what the pitch would be. Now, despite despite me having been on Empire, having me been a series regular for three seasons on Star, having me been a principal actor in motion picture films, I still get told.

That I don't know what that is. So I stop trying to figure it out.

I stopped trying to control that because it's out of my control.

I just lean to my higher power.

I lean to God, and that is who supplies me with everything that I need. Every opportunity, you know, knew, whether it's a new movie, new show, new whatever, it just falls in my lap, you know, and I'm and I'm grateful for that. But I would tell people, you know, lawyers are necessary, you know, always have you a good a good lawyer, but in in that when you stand on truth, your lawyer might stand with you, but there's still it still may not go the way that you wanted to go.

So you wanted to go, Amen, that's real.

That's internally to be prepared for that, and it's so And if you're not prepared for that, if you're not mentally ready for that, then I would say, you know, seek guidance on how to cope with staying in that situation if you decide to stay in that situation.

Mm hmmm, mm hmmm, yeah, well you you know, It's it's so funny because you don't ever really know. So I would have never known that if if you weren't here, and so I think it's it's it's a very I'm so grateful just in this moment. I'm so grateful that you shared that because sometimes, like for myself, right, I've I've had the same thing happened to me on numerous occasions where I've had agents and managers go, well, we don't really know what to do with you. That's the favorite thing to say, we don't really know what to do with someone like yourself, and it's like, help me find work. That's what you that's what you do. But I think it's I think it's so valuable for you to say, because I think so many of us we internalize, uh, because that's because really all what that is when when when folks say that, and when folks make you feel that way, all that really is is is just it's some element of isms right there. There's racism, there's you know, queer you know, queer phobia or film phoby. There's all these things that are wrapped up into it. It's very coded, and I think we internalize that often as people. And so I want to say, like, you know, don't I didn't want to just like gloss over it. I definitely want to say, like, from one queer person to another, I hear you and I see you. Because even before we sold this show, there were networks when I was pitching it who told us there's no market for this show, right We were told there, I mean, or at least I was told there was no market from my book, and so we're constantly told that. But you know, my God, here we are, My God, here we are, and we are still shining.

And I'm telling you and I say that all the time.

I'm like, listen, I've been told know a lot, but I've had some incredible, powerful opportunities.

And so I know that it's not by chance.

I know that the journey is already mapped out, and so that is my saving grace, you know, knowing that this journey has already been mapped out. I was supposed to be told No, you know, I was, and eventually it will all make sense. I stop leaning to my own understanding, because you do frustrate yourself.

Migustrates yourself, and so.

I stop doing that, you know, And when the opportunities come, if it makes sense and it makes me feel happy, let's go, I'm gonna do it and do it to the best of my ability.

Mm hm. So I'm gonna access this question and if you're if you're in the mind, so I'm gonna positive and I'm gonna say this, Chris, You'll probably want to cut what I'm about to ask and then we can get into the question if missus Lawrence wants to answer the question. So I'm just gonna ask you something about housewives. But I'm also very cautious about folks' emotional energy. So if you don't want to answer anything about housewives, then I'm happy, We're happy to skip over the port.

I will answer one question about housewives, and I'll tell you why.

Lee, I'll tell you why, but go.

Ahead, Okay, So no, I so the re and so again, I just like to make sure that folks don't feel like they're being set up. I'm real, that's that journalist in me. That's like you never you never want to walk someone into a into a corner. And so the question that I did want to ask is, you know you've I feel like from the videos that I've watched of you, you talk very openly about the pay disparity that was happening around that show. And I just kind of wanted to say, you know, knowing kind of all of that, right, and and and and me being very vocal about it. And again, I don't want to watch your car, but I think it's imperative that I like to give people their flowers while they're here. I write about that in my book about You, like knowing and watching you and understanding you. You know, Joho has read the book. So I I one of the reasons why I wanted to you on It's like I said, I love giving people their flowers in person and in real time. I recognize that I feel like you have not been given the shine and the light that you deserve. And so I guess the question that I'm kind of asking, or I'm kind of wanting to lean into, is, you know, how do you make difficult decisions to walk away from things when you feel like you're not being appreciated. Because I think that that's some of our Like you said to the first point, we fear that if we say no, we're never going to eat again, you know, And I think that's something that a lot of our listeners worry about, especially like with the way everything looks right now. So, you know, how how do you get yourself to that place where you're okay to say I'm okay with y'all taking this plate back.

I have to remember how I started. I have to remember that it was nothing that I ever sought after. I have to remember that it was all placed in my lap, that I was the one that was sought after, not the other way around.

And I have to remember.

The tools that I got very early in how to work hard, how to hone in on my skill set, and how to make a way, you know, growing up in the South.

As an eighties baby.

Society would tell you that there are almost no options for you to exist and for you to throve.

And I defied all of it.

I became a very successful hairstylist early.

I started in the history at the age of fifteen sixteen years old.

At the age of twenty three, I was a six figure earner at the age of twenty.

In the eighties.

My god, I wish I was. I wish I was twenty something in the eighties.

But my god, yes, yes.

You know.

I have to remember that I bought my first beautiful condom at the age of twenty four years old.

I bought my first.

Mercedes at twenty three. I bought all of the things that at that time I would define as success. I bought it during the time and during an era when society would tell you, because of who you are and how you choose to exist loudly, that you won't have these opportunities. And so I remember all of those things, and I remember from where, I remember where I came from and how I got there. And so it's now easy for me to say, no, no, this isn't serving me, and I know how to get what I need, whether you give it to me or not.

Hello, will yes, because I tell people one thing about my God, the God that I served, Mama's going to be. I am fine and I will continue. You be okay, I know that's right. Live, I live, Yes, Get up in here and start appreciated testifying.

People all the time, bitch I was buying.

I was buying motherfucking Chanelle and Solaran and all of that in my early twenties.

In my earth.

And let me say and I and I want to reiterate like I said before at that time, is what I defined as success success right as a proud uh person in my forties. Now I don't look at it the same way anymore. Success is something completely different now to me. And I'm proud of that. I'm proud of growth. I'm proud of wisdom that just naturally comes if you're open to it. And for that I'm at I'm at peace.

You know you do you, I will say, being someone who has met you in person, you have a very You can just tell when people are not well in their in their spirit and their area and their energy. And you carry such a very like it's almost like baby powder. It's just frish, it's joyful, it's just clean. It's just you just have a very beautiful energy. I swear, like I've said that about a lot of people that I've met, Like you just radiate such a beautiful energy and just such a joy I'm so grateful that I know. But yeah, I'm just really grateful to know you. Your response is so ugh. It's just it's so real, mistare. It's because I feel.

When your time, we're like black folks are asked to do a lot of things all the time for other people, and we see it like we're made to feel that like it's a gift that we're asked to do those things. But I really love it you said of like I didn't seek this out. This sought me out, and so I have the agency in this. Like I think that's a lesson that so many people specialisteners can use that the things that that they that you're asked to do, you're asked because they want you. You weren't seeking the mostly you weren't seeking this thing. So like you have that you also have the agency to step away and say actually, or let me let.

Me at this because I never sought it out, doesn't mean that I never wanted it, right, Yea also had a passion for the arts.

Mm hmm. I've always loved singing, dancing, acting, all of that, but I never thought it to be an option for me.

Yeah, I'll just say like the like there may not have been a pathway for it before.

And it's like.

And I'm definitely like I'm not saying that, like I'm like, I'm not saying that's like through a lens of like like like they like.

They want you so like you have the control, but more of like.

You like I like, I wish we acknowledge more how like many cases we have been fine without that, Like we've been fine without that thing, and it's great to have that.

It's great.

It's also great to want that new thing. And it's like like and to go for that new thing and know that like.

This this new thing isn't a handout.

I have like earned this thing, like they want me because I've earned it and I so I hope folks hearing you recognize that like the things that you've done, you have worked for still you know like what like like like and even though even though it came to you, it came to you because because you work for and you and you were you were like we're you were inherently you were inherently worthy of it. And so everyone listening is like, it's like, girl, like, I'm worthy of all the things that I that I want and the things that I I I don't yet know that I want that that that that will come to me.

And if I can add too to that point, I'm listening and I'm nodding a lot because I'm going I think we all want to make sure that we name not just for you, miss Lawrence, but how unfair it is that people are not coming to you because of your talent, right, Like, I want to name that that it's not just you, Miss Lawnce. There are a lot of queer, black talented people who could run circles around a lot of these influencers, these actors, these actors, these singers, and they don't get the opportunity because they're not seen as worthy or as quote unquote talented as the folks. And so I think, what and this is the reason why I look to you so much as like a pinnacle of what's the word. I'm looking for a beacon of light really for a lot of black FATFMS is that you know you've still done it right. And I think that's the thing I hope that folks will kind of walk away from this conversation with that this is not a conversation about lack. That's why I titled it standing on Business because even though these people are not running behind you, you've still done it. You're still here, You're still ag That's why I say legend icon because even if people are not speaking Miss Lawrence's name, niggas know who Miss Lawrence is, right, And I think that's the thing that I want to celebrate here is that even though these folks didn't give you the opportunity, you still deserve them. And I still believe in my heart of hearts that you have not seen what God is gonna.

Do for you.

Yet I truly believe that I truly do thank you.

True.

Okay, So the last question that we have this is a little bit of a fun one because we know that Wait, one thing about Granma Lawrence is that she sits on business with her fashions. And then amen, a two prong question for you. So, as someone who's always ready for the run way, what's the biggest fashion mistake people make.

And then my second question is.

How can how can people bond on a budget also stand on business and their style and theirs as well.

I have to tell you style fashion.

It has to come from within for it to for it to come across or translate.

Right, you know, I see what you did. Translate, I said, I see what you did there would translate, but go off, you know.

And in order for it to do that, it all goes back to being honest and being true. And that is what has worked for me. You know, I don't I don't deem myself to be like a fashion expert or any of that.

I just know what I like. I know what works for me.

I know when I'm getting ready to go somewhere, how I'm feeling at that moment. I know if I'm invited to a certain room, I know the type of energy that I want to give all, and so I start to strategize around those feelings and what I decide to put. If I in my mind, I'm like, okay, I want to go and completely break this room.

Up, you know, then I'm going for the I want.

I need Grandja, honey, I need, I need all of it.

You know what I mean, if I want to go for a more demure but very.

Powerful, kind of understated moment, then I'm going to lean more towards you know, slouchy hats but you can't find anywhere, you know, or you know, oversized sweats that you know you can't find anywhere.

You know.

Like it's I borrow and extract from not only my feelings my emotions, I extract from what's going on around me as well. You know what I mean, the day you know where we are culture wise, I extract from a lot of a lot of different things.

You know.

If I love graphic T shirts, and while we are in the craziest political climate right now, if I see a T shirt that may say something that I don't want to say out of my mouth, I'm throwing it on. But that's a part of being honest and being true and allowing that to translate in your fashion, in the way that you present yourself. So it's you know, it's that, it's all of you know, if I'm going into a room that is predominantly.

Straight lead or or heaterod.

Lead or whatever, and I want to make an impact and I want it to be known that not only do I belong here, but I will make sure that I get every bit of attention that you never get get.

There, you know. So it's all those kind of crazy things, and I have to I have to.

I'm gonna be remiss if I didn't give a lot of credit, majority already credit to the ballroom community.

I have been a part of ballroom.

I've been a part of ballroom since two thousand and six. I believe I walk my first ball in two thousands. I am currently one of the mothers in the House of Bealenciaga, and I have to say that I've learned so much. A lot of the fabric of who I am comes from ballroom. That being creative, being unapologetic, not afraid to go wherever however I want to. A lot of that comes from, you know, ballroom. When you get on the floor not knowing how you're going to be judged and how people are going to receive you. You have to learn how to not hear on a ballroom and just go for it, you know what I mean. And so again, when it comes to fashion, I extract from so many things.

Yea, and love.

I love the extraction like I just love that the language of distraction, like, oh, guys.

Extracting these things.

Ugh, it's and I just I will say this. I love the you know, I just love the energy. The one thing I will say I will I probably will never live in Atlanta, but what I will say is about knowing people from Atlanta is that there's a certain energy in terms of style, in just just just an air that people carry there. And it doesn't honestly, it doesn't. That's what I'm looking for it. I'm not surprised that you are as fashionable as you are because there's so many people in your circle I know who are extremely fashionable, and so it's like that's also gonna rub off on YouTube when you start hanging around people who look good all the time.

Atlanta will do it to you.

I believe.

I have seen the girls move here and be very basic about it, and then you catch them six months to a year later, bitch they are labeled out, they got busted down, lace fronts, bitch lashes.

I'd be like, well, who the fuck is this person?

But I love it right because yes, Atlanta is one of those cities that allows you to do the most courageous shit you've ever wanted to do.

You know what I mean.

It gives you an opportunity to do it and you don't look foreign.

If you do it right, it looks Yeah.

I will tell you.

I know we gotta go to Commercial super but I will tell you I had an Uber driver picked me up one time when I was Atlanta, and my god, I was like, okay, my mother was serving and I said, are.

You going somewhere after this? Shit was like no.

Every day And I said, I know that's right because because me right now, I'm like, y'all can't see it, but I'm at pajamas on the bottom down, Honey, I'm ready to go to bed. But the girls in Atlanta, they are all ready. You ain't gonna never catch that of the girls or the dolls in Nantas.

And the guys to the men, they listen, they cut up here.

They gave everybody. It is such a great place. I love Atlanta, I really do. It's one of my favorite places. But with that being said, we you know it is. Wait, who's going to did you go to commercial first? It's my turn? Okay, sorry, Chris, You're gonna have to cut that all right, y'all. But with that being said, we gotta stand on business with these commercials. But when we get back, we gonna talk more about who brought the potato salad back in two shapes of a lamb's tail.

And we are back, fam So youther coming is around here and season you damn right, And the topic that y'all have loved one of our previous episodes controversial or hot take food opinions. But this time we're making about the holiday. Now when I say the holiday, I do mean the holiday coming up, you know, into you know, in two days from from the Loser's episode Thanksgiving. I want and I want to clear we have the holidays problematic for a lot of reasons, colonization and JANSI being first and foremost, and and I and I and just know that I too, one day will find Columbus and the spirit woman whoop his ass? I mean if I find him, because Lord knows, we will probably probably.

In different blanes. You know, He'll be lower down below lower now, I'll be in the upper room and he will be in the basement.

But in the meantime, in the between time of Finna eat and so this is controversial hot take food opinions. Thanksgiving a dission So I'm gonna start with some we will pass it to miss Laurence for for for their past job.

So my first one raisins and stuffing. Yours. Gott stop stuff. He should be severe.

And not sweet and don't go around being like my harvest stuffing stuff.

I can't even let you lie by. I'm so away.

I really can't do a raisins and many things like I can. It takes a special like maybe a parfit. Maybe you know, I can do it.

Only go and oatmeal raisin cookies and that's it.

Period.

Yeah, there's no two if so are you of a person? Do y'all both remember soup plantation or sweet tomatoes?

Of course?

Okay, I don't know if y'all ever had gone to it, but they this lor you're looking like you've never been. So there's this broccoli salad that they had. It was like a Swedish broccoli salad and it had raisins and it was actually really good.

Not a place in l A, right, it used to be. It's like it's like a buffet.

And they used to have one in the airport. Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Yes, there used to be in the airport that's why I had no lax.

They had one a l a X and they had they had good lemonade too. I remember that place.

Yes, yes, okay, so be out raisins, just raisins just I just don't get them. But that's just it's just not for me when people have raisins and stuff especially and there's giving also stuffing versus dressing.

So this is so people are like, what.

Does this mean exactly? Now?

Now, like a technical thing is that the stuffing technically is what you stuff that took you with and the dressing is what you make. Is that we just make on a side and just like roast in the oven or something in a castwrow dish. Now, to me, I would never call chunks of croutons dressing. To me, it's always a corn bread. It's to me, it's always a corn bread. It's gonna be a corn bread dressing.

Or you got a little bread corn yellow bread, cruton stuffing. That's what to me, I'm just.

Know what's coming out of your mouth. I swear to God, friends, ever you say something that takes me down and you say chunks the cruise.

Rod when people like post there a holiday crew and it is your right.

It's like, like, what is that?

It's like it's sham girl, you know pudding? What is it that big ass tongue for?

And along my mind were bad dressing is superior. I'm sorry, I'm in the rules. It's just superior. It's just it's just it's always gonna.

Go be better.

My, my, my, My.

Third one is gravy is an necessy on the table. If you don't have gravy on the table, what are you doing?

Girl?

And do not think for a second that cranberry sauce is the replacement.

You gotta boat and if and if you don't, if you don't use a little trunky neck in your gravy, girl, if if you don't use a little small trunk in your gravy, why what are you doing?

Like?

I just I love a sausage sage.

Okay, okay, that's good. That's that's the true. I'm Thanksgiving is.

My that's your holidays.

You gonna be out here doing boss.

I don't I'm host every year and I don't play.

I know that's right.

Well, let me let me look up flats right now to Hotlantis. Hello, let me so I got a point.

I got miles on my United account. You know what all you got to do is gives me an address and I will come. But my my question for you, so this is the this is the question that I'm sitting with as we are here. What color does that gravy have to be? Because some people particularly about the color of their.

Gravy, that that girl should be brown. Brown.

That should be I.

Mean it should be, it should be brown. I'm not now when it comes out, I'm not always mad if it's a little beige. You gotta have some flavor. I need to taste that garlic taste. But you better used some kitchen bouquet running saucero now too.

Don't be out here like.

It gotta be cooking. So I can't cook like that. I'm not gonna act like I can.

It's different like two days prior, like I'm one of those.

You sound like my auntie. Yeah, my auntie when my aunt when my Auntielandi used to cook, shout out to my Auntie Landa. When Auntie Inlanda used to do Thanksgiving, she would always start like two days ahead the time.

The first day is all cutting up my sweet potatoes from yams and all everything you know, all that kind of prep work gets all my ions, bell pelpers, everything get cut up. All of that happens the first day. Second day, let's go to get the marinate, and you know he goes down over here.

So them is my hot text, MS Lawrence, While you do you have any hot takes for Thanksgiving?

Hot takes? Yeah?

Controversial opinions?

How do you feel about mac and cheese, mashed potatoes, potato salad?

I love, I love, but I don't. I can do without the mashed potatoes. I like mashed potatoes. I can do without mashed potatoes. I love, I love mac and cheese, and I love potato salad. Right because potato salad, you're gonna have ham. I feel like you gotta have potato.

Salad, you know what I mean?

Like I knew, I knew, I knew you was my friend.

I knew you, I knew you were my friends. Keep going.

And I don't like hard.

I don't want know sft either, Like they have to be Potato salad is trigger, it has to be perfect on it that my mac and cheese. I love a baked mac and cheese. I'm not a fan of like the mac and cheese that you like just do on the stove.

You know. So someone I saw on Blueskin shout out to everybody on Blue Sky. There's somebody on Blue Sky who said that they don't want mac and cheese, that they can cut like lasagna like. So I guess they were insinuating that they don't want it baked, that they only want it where you can't like the gooey kind. You have to like scoop.

So I don't.

I just was wondering if that's the thing for y'all, Like, how do y'all y'all know, I'm not a huge mac and cheese fan. There's a consistency thing.

I had both. I've had both, yeah, and like both can be good. It just has to be good. It just has to be good.

I don't mind, though, when you have to like cut it.

I also like that kind of crispy top.

To get that you're gonna have to cut that bitch ain't nowhere around.

It, right.

A sheet cake. But you want to have to slice, you know what I mean? You're gonna have to do something.

You and and and Darren said cunning it is more equitable because he is out here trying trying trying ice cream scoop ship and then that and then and then like you fuck up the ratio because there there are layers to the mac. So like the top of the crispy is the best part. The bomb is always bomb, Kimmy crispier can be bad. The middle is of the OUI gui part, And like if you scoop that ship, you're you're you're, you're up the flow because then the next girl may not get the crispy top or the guy center and they're left with scraps.

Raps, the hard crystal crystallized cheese sides of the back of cheese. Yeah, you know, so I just I like to say this. You know I have I have a couple of friends who are just really My husband's a really good cook too. But shout out to the friends you know who listen to this show. I'm gonna name one, Travail If you have never had for I don't know if even if you know Trevill Anderson, but shout out. She's a good friend of mine and a friend to the show. Mama cooks down probably one of the few people in my life where I've had their mac and cheese, and I actually enjoyed it. I don't because there's just a weird I have this weird thing that the consistency between the cheese and the noodle. Something kicks off my autism. I don't know what it is, but the tism that I have, it's just it's there's something weird about it in my mouth, like it's too. Yeah, I don't like it.

So you may prefer the baked the bait cutting.

Nope, I've had that too, the cheese and the noodle. Something about the cheese and the noodle just sets me off and I don't Maybe it's the sound I think it could be even the sound of the way that the noodle walk.

Yeah, that if it's gooey, and like, you may prefer a mac and cheese that has an egg or two in it, because what that may be it curs the cheese so that it's not so you know.

Yeah, yeah, I very rarely have. I've very and I've written about it. Y'all can go google.

We forget to put eggs and it changes, it changes the consistency, but it's also a preference thing.

I like. I like either way. I like either way.

Yeah, I'm bisexual.

I'm like I don't discriminate, right right, Eco Opportunity mac over here.

Hello and shout out to you about sexuals. We love you.

But I was gonna say, yeah, I'm just y'all. I'm real picky when it comes to like certain food. So talking about me being picky, I do want to go back to the thought that Miss Lawrence throughout about mashed potatoes. I am one of those people that I do not believe that a mashed potato should only have milk and and and butter in it. I need you to add more. So more for me is better. Please add in a cream, cheese. You can add in some cheeses, you can add in something else, but that mashed potato should not taste like a mashed potato, if that makes sense. Like I need, I needed to have something. And if you serve me box potatoes, I'm leaving.

And don't think we can tell the difference. Because let me tell you right now, this is why you should. This is why you should not being black people to restaurant sometimes. Because when for my birthday, my uh my brother and when my childhood best friends came down and so the three of us went to this pasta place and we had a side for the dishes and I and that ship was. I was like, this is for sure, Ia host buds, I know, and like we we like we all asked. We're like we're like, oh, like you know, like is this box? And they were like no, my brother, straight up.

Negro has no shame. I know, is straight upset. Is this box? I believe.

That woman was like no, like the chef was not was out here, was out here peeling and national And I.

Said, bringing the box.

I said, man, there's no way anyway, because you can tell the little flakes. It's not real if someone mashes unless someone's I have bloody potatoes, which is net.

Don't bloody ptaales. Girl, don't do that.

I want to see a masher. It should be a thick moment. It shouldn't be soupy like that ship was.

Girl.

I can taste. I can always taste a box mashed potato. It's the same way that we all know what minute rice tastes like. Right. As much as people try to talk about like oh I may know.

Yeah, and.

I know when it's been cooked the same I know what's so very much giving that the other some some some quick other thoughts that I have and then we're gonna we're gonna skirt on.

Uh.

Jiffy corn bread stuffing is better than stovetop.

Now.

I know that there are some people, specifically.

My good friend Darryl, who will come for me because they don't like Jiffy corn bread, and I respect that. However, I also respect that sometimes people just don't have the time to do it from scratch. It's so if you don't, I'm okay fed. So I'm okay with it.

I don't.

I don't support it, but I'm okay with it. But I don't want stovetops unless one wants.

To make crumb bread. Then I will definitely chip on that one.

So I'm just throwing that out there that I'm okay with that. My last one is I'm also probably is going to get me canceled. I don't want no real cranberries in my cranberry.

Oh No, I want jelly.

Yes, that's it.

I want to see the lines. I need to see the lines. I need that bitch to shake shake.

I don't want no cranberries, don't want it, don't keep it at home.

Oh it's so good, No, it's not. I don't want no.

Real crap that cranberry to shake and you're like like a bish just got her ass done.

Yes, please please, I do not want no real ones now real quick before we get up out of here. I wanted to ask, I I'm late to the party because they're sold out. I was just googling to see if they had anymore. Have y'all had to Popeye Casian turkey?

Yes? Yes, yes, I think.

Well you have to come in knowing that it's pop up like like not like I.

Know what what I'm saying.

You can be knowing who the audience really is for this. But objectively, it's a good turkey. My friend, my friend has got it two years in a row. Now he does like he gets say he does. He does a little doctory up himself, and it's fire I think for a turkey, because listen, I've had many draft turkeys in my life. I would never make a draw turkey myself, but I've had many draft turkeys, and this turkey is a good turkey, like juicy bird. So say, if you can get your hands on pop Yecation turkey, they're really gooly.

I probably won't, but I was just wondering for next year, if that's something I need.

They could be spice. They could be more cash is a generous statement. Well it could be more casian, but you know it's good.

It's a spice.

Okay, Okay, Well we'll move on in the words Bernie May, I'm good.

Well now that I am angry as hell, I'm gonna go find me that. I'm gonna see if I have any luxu of sizes on my accasion turkey in my fridge.

Not e, don't go for me. You not from last year, bitch. We have friends giving him two three years ago. Leave me alone. Okay, I was out here saving that ship from a year ago.

Yeah, I'm a nasty girl. I'm a nasty girl. I mean okay.

Anyways, we gotta go take a quick break, y'all, and we'll be back soon. Like the cow who jumped over the moon in the dishmy away with a spoon, bitch.

All right, y'all, So we're about to get into this last segment, so we can let Miss Laurence go to bed because I know she probably tired of us already.

I am going to a friends giving.

Uh Okay, okay, well we know how you got places to go. Okay, but we so we're gonna, we gonna, We're gonna run through this here. But with that being said, our yes ma'am and our no Manpam for our new listeners, this is where we regale people that we love, or we talk about things that we really we appreciate, we want to celebrate, or we ultimately throw all the shade at the people who truly deserve it. And so with that being said, I'm gonna start this week my yes ma'am. Now I will since I have a very interesting relationship with Los Angeles in the sense that I love the city for what it does for people.

Right.

I know a lot of people who live in LA. I know a lot of friends I've made in La. LA can be a very beautiful place, but often it is very much giving Gotham City, and so I am very much in the mind that I'm not a super fan of LA, but I do enjoy it for some of the things that One of the things that I will say that I want to give kudos to is that there are some really cool and some really great people out in LA who are working to protect people. So this week I wanted to shout out the city of LA and I'm not gonna do it all the time, now, Okay, I just want to make sure I hold that real clear. I'm not gonna give too much to LA, but what I will say is that I definitely want to give a shout out to the city for officials moving to establish the city as a sanctuary for immigrants in LGBTQ youth in advance of Trump's return to the White House. I really hate that I even have to say that, because again, for the last three weeks, we've been saying we wish we had a different outcome. But I just appreciate that there are people who are trying. And I'll even say that about you know, Governor, why did I say, Gray Davis, let me look at me showing my age. Gavin Newsom is his name. I want to shout out Gavin Newsom for just all the stuff that he's doing to try to get in front of all of you know, the anti LGBTQ, anti immigration. He's helping people get their medication before medical gets taken away. He's like, he's just doing a lot of really great work to try to get in front of January twentieth, and so very much just want to give people their credit there for my no man, Pam, so mine is more of a general. So I don't even speak the name of people I don't love on this show or I don't like on this show. So I'm not going to even say that lady's name. But what I was going to say is I'm really tired of the hypocrisy in this country. We have spent time and time again talking about you know, I would say this sis heat men, specifically sis head white men have spent a lot of time talking about trans people and queer people and all of the quote unquote terrible things we're doing, and yet we continue to see time and time and time and time again them doing the same exact, if not worse things than they claim that we're doing. And it's just a lot of hypocrisy that I'm seeing right now. So like what I'm specifically talking about, when Kamala was running, they were talking about how Kamala was hanging out with Oprah and Beyonce and all these rich billionaires, while now Trump has a cabinet full of billionaires. So is it Uchi Whily or is it one mic right? Like I really need you to understand, Like I really need to understand it. I think, I just I'm really okay. Before I even just get on my soap boxes, You're no, I'm good for it. I'm just gonna say this, and then I'm a close Fuck everyone in on the band on the capitol to keep trans women from using the bathroom. Fuck everybody in that junk drawer. I don't even call it a cabinet. It's a junk drawer. I hope all of your rotten souls never find peace, and I hope that you all literally bite your tongue every time you go to talk or eat.

That's all I got is a key.

So what about you, miss Lawrence? What are your yes ma'am's and no man PAMs this week?

Oh god, okay, wait, let me think.

Uh, I think you kinda said, you know, I don't know mine.

Let me see. Let me see my yes would be I don't know, I don't know.

Because and if you don't have any, We've had people in the past be like, I'll just I'll just check yours. So it's totally fine.

Oh okay, Well here's one that made me smile. Okay, are you guys familiar with.

Their sisters? And they're both autistic.

One is Shyanna and the other is Breathey.

Have gone viral and I saw that, and.

So Shayana is a huge, diehard fan of Ariana Grande, and Ariana Grande took the time out to acknowledge her and her and sent her some.

Gifts and it just really made me smile.

It just made like, yes, ma'am, several reasons right when you think about people that live with autism, I feel like what is happening as a result of social media and I have a love hate relationship with social media, but the fact that we see people like a Shyana and a Breed being edified in this way, it's normalizing people with auduism and showing them as more normal and you know people, and I just I just love it makes my heart so warm and it makes me smile because I know that because of people like and it's not just them, but it's I mean a host of other people that do the work to normalize all of our differences. But I feel like because of them, the next time somebody is somewhere and they see someone with you know, who is obviously autistic and have some challenges, that it's it's a normal thing.

You know what I mean, it's a normal.

Thing, and so that that if I have to say what this week has made me say yes, ma'am to or made me smile, it would be that it would be that.

Yeah, Yeah, that's yeah, I love that. I love that little clip. I've been so I've not been doing it to mock them, but I have been doing this a lot because it's just it's just cute, Like I get it. It's like when, especially when you don't want to be bothered with nothing. It's like I don't want to be bothered. Yeah, and that's basically what she was given. But that video was people like her.

The guy Shamar who's gone viral, who suffers with spinal biffita, which is a technical term A lot of people don't know.

They just make fun of. I don't know what the hell is going on, but it's spinal biffita.

I heard that he he has music out and he's done something with I heard.

I don't know how true it is, but he opened He was one of the opening acts for Rod Wave, who is a huge star.

Now Yeah, yeah, yeah, I tell you so, I'm just like, wow, I believe that every body deserves that are worthy, deserves a moment or moments in the sun right those people like a Shamar and a Hyanna and Breed whoever, I'm sure probably thought they would never be seen.

And they are.

They are getting their life right now, and it makes me so happy.

Yeah, it makes me very happy.

But those of them, that is my yes ma'am, whatever, whatever whatever for the week.

I'm not hard on the nomams.

I think you summed it up with the nomams for me, and it is absolutely everything happening on Washington right now, and you know that's.

That mm hmmm.

So my my yes ma'am is just black folks in Beverly Hills. I was in La yes Say, for work and I and I was saying, my Beverly Hills had well. I was just doing a little wild dumber day drive and there's my black folks who are out here buying bags, looking fresh, looking fresh, just and I was like, I love this for us, like I love I love seeing folks win regardless and given moment. But but I was, I was like, I love I'm like every story every story I said about a black women walking out of Cardier like man walking out of Channel.

I was like, I was like, look at us buy all this.

In Atlanta.

Oh okay, because people.

You like and and but he has to be a way ass area. So I was like, I love I love the we're buying stuff. We're not We're not in service to others.

Everyone's here because because.

They're buying stuffing because they work here, because because they're buying stuff.

And I was like I am really here for that.

And I'm like no, what Yes, the next trip, let me go to Ellen and said so so it becomes more normal for me because it doesn't happen often. I was like, this is a good day. I was like, I'm like the just it was a nice day. I was like, I was just saying hi, and like there are so many times like I would see. I was like groups of bot folks come out of the stories on besides of the streets and just look at each other and be like.

I had a moment like that last week. So I was pulling in the Windys and it was actually on Halloween. I'll never forget. It was Halloween and a woman was coming out. She was dressed as a mermaid and she was getting into her audi and I was like, okay.

Black girl on the HOUDI and she was like, you.

Say it, And I love those moments. I just love the moments where it's nice, yeah girl, hey listen, yes, yes, okay, black girl in the audi.

Yeah.

So I love whenever I see a queen in a like a queen in a Benzi or like like a of like a BMW.

And was like, I see you, girl, I see you.

You You deserved this baby, my no, ma'am, pam.

Netflix and this live streaming football thing all four me, my god and Beyonce.

Just you use your Netflix deal for this, like I just I might be you have Netflix deals and you were like this, like I will I be watching a halftime show, Yes, I will, Don'ttflix.

Yeah, but they're live streaming.

They're lives a little good with that and they and they haven't lives almost like y'all have already set up for failure in the first place, so you given live issues with that.

Damn boxing man. I watched the Mike Tyson What I was Mike Tyson.

I tried to watch the My tax so what I I will say this for people who are listening and might try to tune in for the Beyonce thing, and I'm not saying that it will work. What I'm saying is is what I had to do for the Mike Tyson things. I actually had to sign off on my Apple TV, and I watched it on my iPad and it was clear I had no problems watching it that I started to do that. So but when I was trying to watch it from my Apple TV, it kept streaming and it kept like stopping. And yeah, so that's.

How I'll predict there won't be any issues. I feel like they probably got the kinks out because of the mind.

I'm figured it out by now.

Beyonce gonna have somebody's neck if any of that ever was to happen. So I am almost a believer that she's probably gonna bring in her own people to do it.

She said fired for today, let me have.

Yeah.

I know I'm being dead to entertainment once. I'm almost certainly, which is fine.

I just I just like Beyonce can just give us. Just give us the live the live album.

Just give us like like you're giving the only things that we don't need to.

Just give us the live film, please, Giselle.

I know I know somebody from Parks. I know it because I'll be seeing stuff online.

And I'm going and there, and they're just I know somebody from.

Listening because they know how I feel about Jaselle. I love her. I love her, But I'm also in the mind of I don't need a candle, I don't need sense, I don't need hair stuff. I want visuals and I want the live album. Like I That's all I'm asking for. I just that's really what I want. That's all I want for Christmas is visuals. But here we are, all right, well, well anyway, we're gonna wrap this up like a cute little bow and we gonna say we hope that you all have a happy holiday, however you decide to selebrate it. You can send your thoughts on this episode over Thoughts Feedback, et cetera, et cetera, over to Blackfefepod at gmail dot com. You can also send us your thoughts via social media by interacting with our post on Instagram and Blue Sky. Because X is no longer for us, Blackfatfempod over at Blue Sky. If you are on X, we may poke in and say hello here and there, but we are no longer there that place, and Elon Musk is dead to me just saying anyway, Miss Lawrence, where can the dolls find you?

Oh?

You can find me on my social media handle which is miss Lawrence and my s s Lawrence and that is on Facebook and Instagram.

And I have not made the switch yet because I'm never on X.

I'm like never on X so but I guess I do need to make that switch, but I haven't done it yet.

Okay, but either way, I'm just saying for me, yeah right, ask for me in my household. We are at the we are where the skies are blue. So yes, what about you, miss dog Joe Queen Joe? Howay can the dolls find you?

My sweet sweet dolls?

You're gonna find me at Joe Hodanels across all socials Blue Sky coming soon for sure, I'm sure well be Joe Hoo Dane's as well too my website joindanes dot com. If not that, you will find me in bed napping through the winter at the Little Cover I Am the World.

Yes, yes, amen, amen, ask for me and my household. You can buy my book over at ww dot Doctor John Paul dot com. You can also find me on all the socials that are not X, but more exclusively on Blue Sky at Doctor John Paul dot Blue. All right, we want to thank our wonderful producer Bey Wang for handling all the logistics in everyone over at iHeartMedia for keeping the show up and running. We also want to shout out our wonderful editor Chris Roger, who continues to do the visuals and give us the sounds, because without him we would have no show. Stay black, Fat, femine, fabulous, and remember we may not be your cup of tea, but drink some water. You'll probably need it anyway. I love us for real.

Bye bye, Yes, thank you so much for having me.

Yes, this was great

BFF: Black, Fat, Femme

"The B.F.F. Podcast” gives voice to two of the leading queer, fat and Black changemakers while calli 
Social links
Follow podcast
Recent clips
Browse 134 clip(s)