Subkhiddin Mohd Salleh, a former Malaysian referee who, at one point, represented the country as a fourth official at the 2010 World Cup, joins the show to talk about the path he took to become a referee and the nuances of being the man with the whistle—from learning about the tactical side of the game to better manage it, to the cultural differences that need to be taken into account when officiating matches.

This is the first part of our chat with Subkhiddin. Tune in next episode to hear how he manages players with big personalities, as well as his thoughts on VAR.

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