One of the challenges people suffer from right now, there's these digital like supervillains, if you will, where previous generations they didn't have this and it really holds us back. One of them is digital overload. Too much information, too little time. I mean, I think everyone could relate to having books on your shelf you haven't read yet are getting you know, how many emails do we get nowadays? And so we're drowning in information. And one of the reasons why is we weren't really taught how to swim properly. We weren't taught how to surf, we weren't todd how to snorkel. If you will, Hi, I'm Dr Oz and this is the Doctor Oz podcast. My guests today is one of the world's top memory experts. Jim Quick that's is really an actually founder of quick Learning. What a convenient name. By the way, I thought Oz was a good day. He's also host of the quick Brain podcast. He's celebrity brain coach, and notables that include Elon Musk, Will Smith, even the cast of The X Men. To day, Jim is here to show everyone the quick and simple ways they can boost their brain power and increase their memory. By the end of this podcast. Now here's the thing that there's always amazed me. Most folks listening probably are like me. I can't memorize a I can memorize the tune, but not the lyrics of a song. Uh, but I'm really good at medical stuff. I was always good at anatomy, at these obscure Latin names. But I run this one a cocktail party, completely missed. And then I read your story. Yet me jealous until I find out that at age nine you were also told you had a memory that was like mine. Meanwhile, my wife, without even trying, remembers everything I've ever done wrong, And much more so, how does this all work at How did you what happened at age nine that changed your life when I was We we've met each other at various conferences. When I speak at these events, I do these demonstrations, or I'll have a hundred people stand up and introduce themselves and I'll remember all their names, or they're give me hundred numbers or hundred words, intimidating, And I always tell people I don't do this to impress you. I do this more to express to you what's possible, because the truth is every single person listening to the right now could do that and a lot more. We just weren't taught. If anything, we were taught a lie that's of how our memory, our potential or intelligence is somehow fixed like our shoe siyes. But we absolutely know that's not true. And UM. One of the reasons why is UM. I know this is because at the age of five, had an accident in school, the very the traumatic brain injury, and I was put in special classes. I had very poor focus. I didn't understand things. Teachers would repeat themselves four or five times. I would pretend to understand, but I didn't really understand. I had a very poor memory. It took me an extra almost four years and longer to learn how to read because because of my injury. At the age of nine, a teacher I remember it was a defining moment, pointed to me in front the whole class and said, that's the boy with the broken brain. And uh, it's really it's it's it's sort of really changed my whole perception, you know who I was. And Uh. But at the A J A. T. And I was able to break through. I learned ways of compensating UM and UH and now my passion really is to build better, brighter brains. Where did you learn these things? Because there are a lot of people listening probably who are struggling, especially in school or at work with memorization. Where did they even turn? Where did you turn? Yeah, it's gets kind of interesting because at first I was thinking about going to school and learning it. But school, I've found out it's a great place to learn what to learn. They teach you what to learn and what to think and what to remember, but they don't necessarily teach you how to learn and how to think and how to remember those things. I always thought it should have been the fourth are back in school? They teach you three rs right, reading, writing, arithmetic, But what about remembering? What about recall? About retention? Socrates says there is no learning without remembering. And so I knew I wasn't going to learn it from school. So I I started studying. UM. I wanted to solve this riddle of how does my brain work? So I work my brain, like how does memory work? So I could work my memory better? And um, and so I started studying brain science, adult learning theory, multiple intelligence theory, um mnemonics like what did the ancient Greeks do back before we had smart devices and printing presses. Um, how would people pass on information? And um? After I started studying this, about sixty days into it, a light switch flipped on and all of a sudden, I started to understand things. I started have better focus, I started to remember things, and my grades shot up in school, and along with it, so did my self esteem. And because of that I couldn't help but help other people. You know, when I was kind of upset because I was thinking, how how much easier life would have been, you know, through all the struggles I had for about a decade and a half. How I learned this back earlier, and so I started helping people. And one of my very first students I was tutoring. She was a freshman. She read thirty books and thirty days. Can you imagine that? Not skim or scan, but actually read thirty books in thirty days. I wanted to find out, not um, not how I know how she did it. I wanted to know why she at it. And I found out that her mother was dying of terminal cancer, was only given two months, uh sixty days to live, and the book she was reading, We're books to be to save her mom's life, and um, I wished her luck, you know, said prayers. Six months goes by, I don't hear from her until this phone call comes in and she's crying and crying and crying, and I find out when she stopped their tears of joy that her mother not only survived, but it's really getting better. Doctors don't know how or why. They called it a miracle, but her mother attributed a hundred percent of the great advice she got from her daughter, who learned from all these books. And at that moment, I realized that have knowledge is power than learning is our superpower, and it's a superpower we all have inside of us. So it's on rap as little because that's an unbelievable story, and I think symblomatic of how you you share your wisdom. We shared the stage that just the milking conference, remember bringing you the hallway afterwards, and you just had mostly to inform me, demonstrating a few things that I was stupefying. So I want to forget you. Mention you want to know why that young woman was reading those thirty books. But I do understand how she was able to read read books and reading is a good examples. I've read some of your work and you share with me in the past that it's it's not that you're smaller than anybody else. But if you're distracted while you're reading, or you're literally saying the words to yourself to force yourself to hear that, that's a pretty slow process, it is. And if you can, I think the metaphor used. You know, if you're driving your car through a neighborhood and tipping a coffee and glancing around it, you may not remember everything. This is true, like um, but I think one of the challenges people suffer from right now there's these digital like supervillains, if you will, where previous generations they didn't have this, and it really holds us back. One of them is digital overload. Too much information, too little time. I mean, I think everyone could relate to having books on your shelf you haven't read yet, or getting you know, how many emails do we get nowadays? And so we're drowning in information. And one of the reasons why is we weren't really taught how to swim properly, we weren't taught how to serve, we weren't taught how to snarkle if you will, and so to be able to read faster, for example, it's something that everybody could do. Anyone could double triple their reading speed with better comprehension. It's just their number of things factors the obstacles to effective reading. For example, Number one is lack of education. Like reading is a skill, it's not something we're born with. We learned it. But when's the last time we took a class called reading? How old were we? Like six or seven years old? And most of us are still reading to the same degree of skill and so, But the other one, as you mentioned, is this lack of focus. You know, you read a page in a book, you get to the end and just forget what you just read, and you go back and you reread it and you still know what you read, and so your mind wanders. It's you start to lose concentration. You wonder why that is UM, and I think a lot of it is driven by digital distraction, which is another supervillain, besides digital overload, all the app notifications, social media alerts. It's um it's a real challenge nowadays. But when it comes to your reading, as you mentioned, when you're driving a car. If you if you were to read, most people feed this incredible supercomputer of a brain one word at uh time. Metaphorically, we're starving our mind. And if you don't give your brain the stimulus it needs, it'll seek entertainment elsewhere in the form of distraction. And much like driving that car, if you're in your neighborhood just going slow, um, and you're observing the speed limit, you could be you're not focused on the active driving. You're I think you're drinking your coffee. You're texting even though you know you should, and you're thinking about the dry cleaning, you're singing along with you're having a conversation. You could be doing five different things going slow. But if you're racing cars and you're taking straight aways a two hundred miles an hour, do you have more or less focus? You have much more focus, your focus on the active driving and your focus on what's in front of you. And similar to reading and UM and so, actually there's a myth out there that if you read faster, your comprehension would go down. Everyone thinks that, but we have students in well over a hundred fifty close to over a hundred eighty countries online and we have a lot of data, and we find that the fastest readers actually have a better comprehension because they have better focus, like that fast driver. And one of the reasons that, as you mentioned, we read slowly is because we subvocalize. Sub vocalize. Have you ever noticed when you're reading something, you hear that inner voice inside your head reading along with you, hopefully your own voice like somebody else's voice. You're not worthy exactly if you're saying the words in order to understand them, then you can only read as fast as you could speak. That means you're reading speed is limited to your talking speed, but not your thinking speed. That's why you can listen to this podcast at one point five or two x or audio books faster, because you can understand that, but you can't speak that fast. And the key is a lot of people are announcing the words, but you don't have to pronounce a word like new York City to understand what New York City is. And we find the fastest readers actually reduce their subvocalization, and there's a there's also a process for that. Interesting because when you start to read, you sound out every letter and then when you see a word, you don't do that. But we haven't done that with the whole with reading. We've only done it at the word level. We've never taken it to the whole paragraph exactly. So it's a similar where you look at a page and you don't see the actual letters. You see, you know, individual words, and train readers actually see groups of words together, so they have less um what they call fixations. When you're reading across the page, it's in like an eye stop. And obviously if you're taking less stops, just like driving a carrier, and get through it faster and less interrupted. So when you read, you go straight down the page, you don't go side to side, so I actually go side to side on a traditional speed reading courses actually aren't it's a misnomer. They're not actually reading. They're actually skimming or scanning, skipping words where you get the gist of things. And as you mentioned, our our students they run companies, they're they're their doctors, they are at turning. You don't want your doctor get the gist of what she's reading, right, so you want to be able to So if you go just down the page, you miss everything on the left side and the right side. And so even if a simple brain hack, if you will quick tip, part of the fund is if you underline the words with a visual pace or like a pen, highlight or mouse on a computer and your finger, you will actually boost your reading speed and focus, and which is tremendous just underlining because and this is why, this is because human means we want to know the reasons why things work the way they do. Um First of all, I would say, tested you know, if you read read for sixty seconds, count the number of lines you read normally, and then pick up where you left off for sixty seconds just underlying the words, that second number will be about increase immediately. And so you don't people have to take my word for it. They can see from their own personal experience. But the reason why is first of all, children will always use their finger to help them focus until we train them not to do so. A second of all, adults do it too. And someone listening to say, I don't use my finger when I read, But when I asked you to count the number of lines you just read in sixty seconds, a hundred percent of people will use their finger as a visual pacer, poor pointer. The third reason is your eyes. Your eyes are attracted motion. As a hunter gatherer, you need to be able to see what's in your in your surroundings because if you're hunting, you're in a bush hunting, you know, lunch, rabbit or carrot, whatever your diet is. If the bush next to you moves, you have to look at that bush because number one, it could be lunch or number two you could be lunch. And so your eyes are attracted motions. So when your finger is underlining the words, your attention is being pulled through as opposed to apart. And then finally the last reason, just to really um put it over the edge. You try it using your finger while you read, because it's how your neurology is set up. Certain senses work very closely together. Like it's wonderful because this time of year, don't you love going having like a fresh piece of fruit and like right from the right from the vine, right from the farmer's market, not something that's been sprayed and wax sitting in a grocery store for six months. Have you ever tasted a great tasting peach before? In actuality, we're not tasting the peach, we're actually smelling the peach, and but our sense of smell and taste are so closely linked our mind can't perceive the difference. It proceeds a difference. We're sick, if we're congested, food tastes different. Right, As our sense of smell and taste are so close links, so is our sense of site and our sense of touch. That literally, people using their finger while they read, they'll they'll say they feel more in touch with their reading, right, and and the other. It's kind of interesting when we lose your sense of site. Like if you go to a child actually like a toddler, and with your keys, and you shake your keys and say, look at my keys, Look at my keys. What's that tyler going to do. It's going to reach out and touch them. Because sense its to look at, means the touch. And so when you're using your finger while you're read, even if someone's lost their sense of site, how do they read? They read with brail right with their sense of touch. So I would challenge people to use their finger and not only will have help with your speed, but will help with their focus. And if your focus is better, so is your understanding. Well, when I see people reading a digital device versus a book that some will complain if their book readers. My son is one, he much tried to read a book and he's you know, he's a smart student, does well, so i'd pay attention to that insight. He's nineteen years old. I you wouldn't able to cry. I could not digital device if I moved my head over. Yeah, we're not, we're not. We're not actually touching the screen, just like even if you're using whether you're using a physical like a print book or a digital device, we're not touching the object because you know, as you're increasing speed, obviously there's something called you know, friction, and I've I've I've burned up a lot of books that way. But but yeah, right above the words, so you're not actually making contact. And even online reading, some people will actually use a mouse, the visual pacer. It's it's a it's a wonderful, easy, simple to use technique that just makes your reading easier. There's lots more. When we come back. You can just shift gears into names, which are reading books is vitally important. Remember getting people's names right. That's a career Craig crisis. If you can't do it correctly. And I've seen you memorize thousands of hundreds of names. I mentioned a little bit of how you do it, but but you're very humble about the fact that we can all do at least better than we're doing and maybe something more approachable to you. Uh. It walked me through that, and you know you have this m O m acordym. But the specifics of it or what kept me, Yeah, they're they're really really quickly. I think, um, one of the most important business etiquette and networking just people's skills is just to remember someone's name. I mean, we all know the message we send to somebody when you meet somebody in the handshake brakes and all of a sudden the name just disappears. Or if it's not a short term issue, it's a long term issue where somebody taps you on your shoulder. You turn around, and maybe you're at the gym or you're at the grocery store. You turn you see someone you recognize, but for life of you, you don't know. And the two of you, yeah, and it's a family, well good right, and the two of you meet so many people, and so it could be overwhelming. So a couple of tricks for everybody listening to be able to remember names better. Because, as they say, a name is the sweetest sound to a person's ears. Um, as you mentioned mom m o m very quickly, most people will say they are horrible rumor names. The population will admit. But let's say there was a suitcase here of a million dollars cash for you your favorite charity tax free. If you just remember the name in the next stranger you meet, who's gonna remember that person's name? Everybody, right, And so everybody has a great memory all of a sudden. And so notice that as your brain coach, you know what, coach also challenges you, you know, to get through what's not what's not true. So when we say we're horrible memory names, that's actually not true. We were good at remembering the names we want to remember. And so tapping in your motivation, a quick brain hack is just when you meet somebody for the first time, ask yourself, why don't want to remember this person's name? Maybe the show respect, Maybe to make a new friend. Maybe it's to practice these things I learned from this show. Because if you can't come with one reason, you're not going to remember I always help people reasons reap results, So tap into the reason. The second the oh in mom is stands for observation, and a lot of people they blame their retention. And it's not your retention, it's your attention. Most people are not paying attention. And that truth is when when people are meeting people at a business event or at a wedding, a lot of times they're not They're distracted. They're looking over your shoulder and seeing who else is here, who's more important here, Or if they're not visually distracted, they're they're internally distracted. They're they're not even listening. They're waiting for their turn to speak, or they're thinking about how they're going to respond, and you can't listen to that conversation with yourself and somebody else. And that's why people are forgetting the name. And I would say that I remember the second time I got to meet President Bill Clinton, and it was at a charity event, and the first time was very, very brief, But the second time, a couple years later, we were sitting at the same table and you remember my name, and I was just like, okay, he was told who was sitting you know, I know, and then he remembered the last conversation we had and okay, so nobody nobody told him that. And I was noticing when he was talking to me that. I was like, you know, on the memory, guy, I need to know how you're doing this. And he tells me a story about his grandfather in Arkansas getting the kids together, telling them stories. But after that he would quiz each one separately to find out if they're really paying attention and all this great idea, all these great ideas. But anyway, when he's telling me this, there's a lot of more important people in that room, and I felt like I was the only one. And I think his you know, people say, you know, he's got great charisma, great connector, great communicator, it's got a powerful presence. But I think his incredible memory and his powerful presence comes from being powerfully present. And that's something we all could do, and that's really what people want. That's the greatest gift. It's it's the presence that we have, you know, which is another word happens to being the word for the for the word gift, but being present with somebody And just notice, when we're talking about motivation, observation we're just talking about. Motivation is just caring because people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care and start to show so many hearing to care for their health, their family, their future, their finances. If you don't care enough, just remember their name and then they O is just observing or being present with them. So it's just caring and being present. But finally, the M stands for the mechanics. And these are the tips of the tricks, the techniques that we teach you know on our podcast. But one really fast one that anyone could do is just if you want to remember names and faces, like walk into a room and meet twenty strangers and leave saying goodbye to every single one of them by name. Remember this be swave, just always be swave. And again I use acronyms because they're simple mnemonic device. Like we learned back in school, um about the you know, homes being like the Great Lakes and so on, when you're looking in the mirror before homes, Yeah it was a yeah, Michigan Erie and Superior or Roy g Bib are all these little so these um, the acronyms are very useful. So remember be swave. So next time you're at an event and look in the mirror, you can check your makeup, your clothing, but say I'm gonna be swap. The B stands for believe, because if you believe you can and believe you can't, either way, you're right. Henry Ford said that. And the reason why is I say that is just get rid of the negative self talk. A lot of people say I'm horrible I remember names. But here's what you want to remember. Your brain is like a supercomputer, and yourself talk as a program that will run. So if you tell yourself you're not good at rememoring names, you will not remember the name of the next person you meet, because you program your supercomputer not to And I always talk people like and I would say I have the broken brain. I have a horrible memory. People say these all the time, and I say, if you fight for your limitations, you get to keep them. If you argue for your limits, they're they're yours. And here's the thing. Even if you're not saying out loud internally yourself talk, your mind is always eaves dropping on yourself talk. So you want if you want to keep it positive, or if you say to yourself, I I don't have a great memory, just add a little word like yet at that the end, people truly knew how powerful their mind was. They wouldn't say or think anything they didn't want to be true. And it's not to say you you have one negative thought and ruins your life forever, just like eating that one donuts going to But it's the consistency is to have it. So the B is believed. The E and B swab stands for exercise. And I don't mean physical exercise, although we know people who are more physically active will do better on mental acuity, have better focus memory. But I mean practice because practice makes practice makes progress. Right, and so the bad news is it takes effort. The good news and not as men, not as long as you think like I'm very good at memory names. But after thirty or sixty days, once you know how to drive a car and learn how to type, it's something that you just do right because it becomes the habits. So you want to practice this. And finally the suave the S is you say the name, and it's very very simple. You meet somebody and then you just repeat their name, right you ted, it's nice to meet you. And the reason why you also say it it makes you sure you observed it correctly. A lot of times you're in an event and there's distractions, there's noise. You don't want to have a twenty minute conversation with Ted and say goodbye, Ed, right, and so you want to be correct and so you say the name the you and swab stands for use it, and use it three or four times in the context of the conversation. But you don't want to abuse it. Lisa, it's great to see you again, Lesta. Do you want to grab lunch? Lisa? What do you want to talk? That would be an abuse, right, But you say one or two or three or four times in the context of the conversation, so that see you. The A is uh is ask And this is a great technique for people who have you meet them and their name is a name you haven't heard before, right, exactly what can you ask about someone's name? How do you spell it, where is it from? Who are you named after? What does it mean? I remember I was doing a training at the country's largest life insurance company, about a hundred people in the room. Training director's name was Nanquita, and I was like, that's a beautiful name. Where is it from? How do you spell it? What does it mean? And she paused. I was like what does it mean? And she looked at her coworkers and says, it means graceful falling waters. And I was like wow. And based on the audience reaction, I was like, how long have you worked here? Just like over four years? Many good friends here, Yes, the other and my my wedding, And I was like, raise your hand if you knew that's what Nikita's name met. And I have a hundred people, How many people raise their hand? Not one person? And I remember her name is the sweetest sound of person's ears. And so you could ask about a person's name. And then finally the V and the E. The V stands for visualize the person's name, meaning I bet your most people are better with faces than they are with names. You go to somebody's and you say, I remember your face, but I forgot your name. You never go to somebody say the opposite. You never go to someone say I remember your name, but I forgot your face. Right, remember hearts, I know what your heart looks like. Oh yeah, that's true. Um. So as a so of your dad. But that's kind of interesting. We want to have that conversation maybe on on my podcast of the cardiac Surgeon. To be able to recognize things, but visually we remember what we see because our visual cortex. There's a Chinese proverb that goes, what I hear, I forget what I see. I remember what I do. I understand what I hear. I forget I heard the name, I forgot it. When I see I remember, I saw the face. I remember the face and what I do going back to exercise, I understand. So if you tend to remember what you see, try seeing what you remember. So you meet somebody named David, and I just imagine a slingshot, just like hitting them on the nose. For David and Goliath. The person name is Bob, I imagine them bobbing. For Apple. Person's names Mary, imagine they're getting married, right. And for his name is Carol singing Christmas. Carol's perst name is John. You fill in the blanks right. When you meet thirty people, though, you're going to have some repetition of names, yes, and you don't have enough time to ask them what their name means. And you're doing this all in this you know how an hour, so you can't do all that, So the app So the best thing about this is when we're talking about these seven things, it doesn't have to be all seven, even if it's just two or three things. And the goal is not to be perfect. You know, I'm not perfect. I don't have a photographic memory. The goal is definitely progress and so um taking a split second, and you're right. If somebody has the same name to people have the name Bob, I'll use apples for both. And it's a mnemonic device, and it's you know what it is. It's to overcome what I call the six second syndrome. When somebody tells you anything a conversation of a phone number, of pin number, of a name, you have six seconds to do something with that information. Otherwise it's just gone in the ether. And what this allows you to do is put your awareness both on the name and on the person. So even when it doesn't work, it kind of still works because it puts your attention on the information you need to remember. And it's and once you know the person's name, then the picture disappears. It's just a it's like a bridge that to temporary hold if you will, until the true information gets encoded from your short term to your long term memory. And then finally, the I and suave stands for end. And what does that mean. It means exactly what I talked about, to be able to end the conversation saying their name, because if you can walk into a room of strangers and leave saying goodbye using their name, they're all going to remember you. And that's the standard skill. More questions after the break. You mentioned a photographic memory. I've always been fascinated by the phenomenon. I don't know how real it is, but I've read stories of Russian experiments where they visualize themselves walking down these long bookstacks basically on their memory, taking the second left, and then on the right there's a car, and there's a license plate of the car. And it's like looking at the phone book and looking at the answer. If you, I'm sure you have looked into it, can you explain to us what makes them special? What what what allows their brains to do that? And what what allows you to approximate that from the external world. It's not quite this. That's a that's a great question. So um so an idetic memory there's a phenomenon called idetic memorydetic and so when people say that they people have like a photographing memory. I don't think it's possible to the average. Is me my experience of years of teaching this, I haven't be able to duplicate that with with anybody. I feel like that's sure. Genetics and biology plays a role. And the good news is, you know the scientists haying is about one third of our memories predetermined by genetics and biology, but two thirds is in our control. The things you talk about on your show, A good brain diet, getting rid of negative thoughts, UM, you know, movement and exercise, UM nutrients, brain nutrients, a positive peer groups good for your brain, and clean environments great for your brain. Sleep very important for your brain. Brain protection. A lot of people, you know, concussions, traumatic brain and wear a helmet. New learnings in order foster neurogenesis, nerroplasticy, new brains, curations in your hippocampus, new new connections. It requires two things, novelty and nutrition. Stress management, and we know chronic stress shrinks the brain. Right, you know, if you're always cords all adrenalines, it's great fight or flight, but not great if you need to take a test or remember someone's name. So you know, there's hardware and then there's software. Um so that all those ten things are like the hardware of your your your brain, and the anatomy, the software, the things that we teach. And the big takeaway from this conversation I hope everyone walks away from is this you want to take nouns and tournament the verbs. Meaning that a lot of people say I don't have a great memory, have implies it to now and it's something you have, right I don't. I don't have focus today, I don't have motivation. I don't have creativity to write on my blog. Those aren't things you have. Those are things you do. And so because when you make it a have, you're at the you're at the effect, you're reacting. You just hope that today I have, you know, some magical power as opposed to a recipe, because when you turn something into verse, it gives you agency again where you have the power. It's a difference between a thermometer and a thermostat. If you look at a thermometer on the wall, it's only functions to react to the environment and as human beings worth a thermometer. Occasionally we react to the economy, react to someone, how someone treats us. But when we really want to take our lives to next level, spending more time identifying with the thermostat. Because thermostat doesn't react to the environment. It sets the environment, right, That's what leaders do it had it had it sets a goal, it sets a vision, The environment raises and arises to be able to meet that um. When it comes to a photographic memory, I believe there's something called h SAM highly superior autobiographical memory, and about a dozen people have been shown to have this where they could you say on May twenty one, what as them? Right? I get them a little bit because you and you mentioned in your mom uh technique for for people's names, you put it some emotional hook to it, because the key to long term memory is information by itself is forgettable. We we haven't. We're drowning information right now. The only thing that we remember things that touch us emotionally because information times emotion becomes becomes a long term memory and we forget. Like, think about what was the primary motion we felt back in school? The primary motion like like most people feel, probably right it's either most people are either cured and scared and confused, or their board right and boordom on a scale of zero to tend emotionally, boredom is zero. But if I just if we talk about information times, emotion is a long term memory is boredom is zero. Anything time zero is zero. So you wonder why you forgot the periodic table? You know, are all the things that we learned back back in school. And I would say that there's no such thing as a good or bad memory. There's just a trained memory in an untrained memory. It's never going to be perfect, nor would we want it to be perfect. It's useful sometimes to forget, but we have this greatness inside of us. I always tell people that your life is like an egg. That if an egg is broken by an outside force, life ends. But if it's broken by an inside force, life began and all great things begin on the inside, and everyone listening as greatness and genius inside. We just weren't taught how to unlock it. So I could have said goodbye to Quick saying he's a wonderful memory expert, but it said he's really a philosopher. Peep. Wisdom makes you incredibly popular for folks who knew what popular should be, who graduated all the success to get a Fantasti podcasts were superbably well check it out Quick Brain does k W I K. Thanks you for being here. Thank you both

One of the challenges people suffer from right now, there's these digital like supervillains, if you will, where previous generations they didn't have this and it really holds us back. One of them is digital overload. Too much information, too little time. I mean, I think everyone could relate to having books on your shelf you haven't read yet are getting you know, how many emails do we get nowadays? And so we're drowning in information. And one of the reasons why is we weren't really taught how to swim properly. We weren't taught how to surf, we weren't todd how to snorkel. If you will, Hi, I'm Dr Oz and this is the Doctor Oz podcast. My guests today is one of the world's top memory experts. Jim Quick that's is really an actually founder of quick Learning. What a convenient name. By the way, I thought Oz was a good day. He's also host of the quick Brain podcast. He's celebrity brain coach, and notables that include Elon Musk, Will Smith, even the cast of The X Men. To day, Jim is here to show everyone the quick and simple ways they can boost their brain power and increase their memory. By the end of this podcast. Now here's the thing that there's always amazed me. Most folks listening probably are like me. I can't memorize a I can memorize the tune, but not the lyrics of a song. Uh, but I'm really good at medical stuff. I was always good at anatomy, at these obscure Latin names. But I run this one a cocktail party, completely missed. And then I read your story. Yet me jealous until I find out that at age nine you were also told you had a memory that was like mine. Meanwhile, my wife, without even trying, remembers everything I've ever done wrong, And much more so, how does this all work at How did you what happened at age nine that changed your life when I was We we've met each other at various conferences. When I speak at these events, I do these demonstrations, or I'll have a hundred people stand up and introduce themselves and I'll remember all their names, or they're give me hundred numbers or hundred words, intimidating, And I always tell people I don't do this to impress you. I do this more to express to you what's possible, because the truth is every single person listening to the right now could do that and a lot more. We just weren't taught. If anything, we were taught a lie that's of how our memory, our potential or intelligence is somehow fixed like our shoe siyes. But we absolutely know that's not true. And UM. One of the reasons why is UM. I know this is because at the age of five, had an accident in school, the very the traumatic brain injury, and I was put in special classes. I had very poor focus. I didn't understand things. Teachers would repeat themselves four or five times. I would pretend to understand, but I didn't really understand. I had a very poor memory. It took me an extra almost four years and longer to learn how to read because because of my injury. At the age of nine, a teacher I remember it was a defining moment, pointed to me in front the whole class and said, that's the boy with the broken brain. And uh, it's really it's it's it's sort of really changed my whole perception, you know who I was. And Uh. But at the A J A. T. And I was able to break through. I learned ways of compensating UM and UH and now my passion really is to build better, brighter brains. Where did you learn these things? Because there are a lot of people listening probably who are struggling, especially in school or at work with memorization. Where did they even turn? Where did you turn? Yeah, it's gets kind of interesting because at first I was thinking about going to school and learning it. But school, I've found out it's a great place to learn what to learn. They teach you what to learn and what to think and what to remember, but they don't necessarily teach you how to learn and how to think and how to remember those things. I always thought it should have been the fourth are back in school? They teach you three rs right, reading, writing, arithmetic, But what about remembering? What about recall? About retention? Socrates says there is no learning without remembering. And so I knew I wasn't going to learn it from school. So I I started studying. UM. I wanted to solve this riddle of how does my brain work? So I work my brain, like how does memory work? So I could work my memory better? And um, and so I started studying brain science, adult learning theory, multiple intelligence theory, um mnemonics like what did the ancient Greeks do back before we had smart devices and printing presses. Um, how would people pass on information? And um? After I started studying this, about sixty days into it, a light switch flipped on and all of a sudden, I started to understand things. I started have better focus, I started to remember things, and my grades shot up in school, and along with it, so did my self esteem. And because of that I couldn't help but help other people. You know, when I was kind of upset because I was thinking, how how much easier life would have been, you know, through all the struggles I had for about a decade and a half. How I learned this back earlier, and so I started helping people. And one of my very first students I was tutoring. She was a freshman. She read thirty books and thirty days. Can you imagine that? Not skim or scan, but actually read thirty books in thirty days. I wanted to find out, not um, not how I know how she did it. I wanted to know why she at it. And I found out that her mother was dying of terminal cancer, was only given two months, uh sixty days to live, and the book she was reading, We're books to be to save her mom's life, and um, I wished her luck, you know, said prayers. Six months goes by, I don't hear from her until this phone call comes in and she's crying and crying and crying, and I find out when she stopped their tears of joy that her mother not only survived, but it's really getting better. Doctors don't know how or why. They called it a miracle, but her mother attributed a hundred percent of the great advice she got from her daughter, who learned from all these books. And at that moment, I realized that have knowledge is power than learning is our superpower, and it's a superpower we all have inside of us. So it's on rap as little because that's an unbelievable story, and I think symblomatic of how you you share your wisdom. We shared the stage that just the milking conference, remember bringing you the hallway afterwards, and you just had mostly to inform me, demonstrating a few things that I was stupefying. So I want to forget you. Mention you want to know why that young woman was reading those thirty books. But I do understand how she was able to read read books and reading is a good examples. I've read some of your work and you share with me in the past that it's it's not that you're smaller than anybody else. But if you're distracted while you're reading, or you're literally saying the words to yourself to force yourself to hear that, that's a pretty slow process, it is. And if you can, I think the metaphor used. You know, if you're driving your car through a neighborhood and tipping a coffee and glancing around it, you may not remember everything. This is true, like um, but I think one of the challenges people suffer from right now there's these digital like supervillains, if you will, where previous generations they didn't have this, and it really holds us back. One of them is digital overload. Too much information, too little time. I mean, I think everyone could relate to having books on your shelf you haven't read yet, or getting you know, how many emails do we get nowadays? And so we're drowning in information. And one of the reasons why is we weren't really taught how to swim properly, we weren't taught how to serve, we weren't taught how to snarkle if you will, and so to be able to read faster, for example, it's something that everybody could do. Anyone could double triple their reading speed with better comprehension. It's just their number of things factors the obstacles to effective reading. For example, Number one is lack of education. Like reading is a skill, it's not something we're born with. We learned it. But when's the last time we took a class called reading? How old were we? Like six or seven years old? And most of us are still reading to the same degree of skill and so, But the other one, as you mentioned, is this lack of focus. You know, you read a page in a book, you get to the end and just forget what you just read, and you go back and you reread it and you still know what you read, and so your mind wanders. It's you start to lose concentration. You wonder why that is UM, and I think a lot of it is driven by digital distraction, which is another supervillain, besides digital overload, all the app notifications, social media alerts. It's um it's a real challenge nowadays. But when it comes to your reading, as you mentioned, when you're driving a car. If you if you were to read, most people feed this incredible supercomputer of a brain one word at uh time. Metaphorically, we're starving our mind. And if you don't give your brain the stimulus it needs, it'll seek entertainment elsewhere in the form of distraction. And much like driving that car, if you're in your neighborhood just going slow, um, and you're observing the speed limit, you could be you're not focused on the active driving. You're I think you're drinking your coffee. You're texting even though you know you should, and you're thinking about the dry cleaning, you're singing along with you're having a conversation. You could be doing five different things going slow. But if you're racing cars and you're taking straight aways a two hundred miles an hour, do you have more or less focus? You have much more focus, your focus on the active driving and your focus on what's in front of you. And similar to reading and UM and so, actually there's a myth out there that if you read faster, your comprehension would go down. Everyone thinks that, but we have students in well over a hundred fifty close to over a hundred eighty countries online and we have a lot of data, and we find that the fastest readers actually have a better comprehension because they have better focus, like that fast driver. And one of the reasons that, as you mentioned, we read slowly is because we subvocalize. Sub vocalize. Have you ever noticed when you're reading something, you hear that inner voice inside your head reading along with you, hopefully your own voice like somebody else's voice. You're not worthy exactly if you're saying the words in order to understand them, then you can only read as fast as you could speak. That means you're reading speed is limited to your talking speed, but not your thinking speed. That's why you can listen to this podcast at one point five or two x or audio books faster, because you can understand that, but you can't speak that fast. And the key is a lot of people are announcing the words, but you don't have to pronounce a word like new York City to understand what New York City is. And we find the fastest readers actually reduce their subvocalization, and there's a there's also a process for that. Interesting because when you start to read, you sound out every letter and then when you see a word, you don't do that. But we haven't done that with the whole with reading. We've only done it at the word level. We've never taken it to the whole paragraph exactly. So it's a similar where you look at a page and you don't see the actual letters. You see, you know, individual words, and train readers actually see groups of words together, so they have less um what they call fixations. When you're reading across the page, it's in like an eye stop. And obviously if you're taking less stops, just like driving a carrier, and get through it faster and less interrupted. So when you read, you go straight down the page, you don't go side to side, so I actually go side to side on a traditional speed reading courses actually aren't it's a misnomer. They're not actually reading. They're actually skimming or scanning, skipping words where you get the gist of things. And as you mentioned, our our students they run companies, they're they're their doctors, they are at turning. You don't want your doctor get the gist of what she's reading, right, so you want to be able to So if you go just down the page, you miss everything on the left side and the right side. And so even if a simple brain hack, if you will quick tip, part of the fund is if you underline the words with a visual pace or like a pen, highlight or mouse on a computer and your finger, you will actually boost your reading speed and focus, and which is tremendous just underlining because and this is why, this is because human means we want to know the reasons why things work the way they do. Um First of all, I would say, tested you know, if you read read for sixty seconds, count the number of lines you read normally, and then pick up where you left off for sixty seconds just underlying the words, that second number will be about increase immediately. And so you don't people have to take my word for it. They can see from their own personal experience. But the reason why is first of all, children will always use their finger to help them focus until we train them not to do so. A second of all, adults do it too. And someone listening to say, I don't use my finger when I read, But when I asked you to count the number of lines you just read in sixty seconds, a hundred percent of people will use their finger as a visual pacer, poor pointer. The third reason is your eyes. Your eyes are attracted motion. As a hunter gatherer, you need to be able to see what's in your in your surroundings because if you're hunting, you're in a bush hunting, you know, lunch, rabbit or carrot, whatever your diet is. If the bush next to you moves, you have to look at that bush because number one, it could be lunch or number two you could be lunch. And so your eyes are attracted motions. So when your finger is underlining the words, your attention is being pulled through as opposed to apart. And then finally the last reason, just to really um put it over the edge. You try it using your finger while you read, because it's how your neurology is set up. Certain senses work very closely together. Like it's wonderful because this time of year, don't you love going having like a fresh piece of fruit and like right from the right from the vine, right from the farmer's market, not something that's been sprayed and wax sitting in a grocery store for six months. Have you ever tasted a great tasting peach before? In actuality, we're not tasting the peach, we're actually smelling the peach, and but our sense of smell and taste are so closely linked our mind can't perceive the difference. It proceeds a difference. We're sick, if we're congested, food tastes different. Right, As our sense of smell and taste are so close links, so is our sense of site and our sense of touch. That literally, people using their finger while they read, they'll they'll say they feel more in touch with their reading, right, and and the other. It's kind of interesting when we lose your sense of site. Like if you go to a child actually like a toddler, and with your keys, and you shake your keys and say, look at my keys, Look at my keys. What's that tyler going to do. It's going to reach out and touch them. Because sense its to look at, means the touch. And so when you're using your finger while you're read, even if someone's lost their sense of site, how do they read? They read with brail right with their sense of touch. So I would challenge people to use their finger and not only will have help with your speed, but will help with their focus. And if your focus is better, so is your understanding. Well, when I see people reading a digital device versus a book that some will complain if their book readers. My son is one, he much tried to read a book and he's you know, he's a smart student, does well, so i'd pay attention to that insight. He's nineteen years old. I you wouldn't able to cry. I could not digital device if I moved my head over. Yeah, we're not, we're not. We're not actually touching the screen, just like even if you're using whether you're using a physical like a print book or a digital device, we're not touching the object because you know, as you're increasing speed, obviously there's something called you know, friction, and I've I've I've burned up a lot of books that way. But but yeah, right above the words, so you're not actually making contact. And even online reading, some people will actually use a mouse, the visual pacer. It's it's a it's a wonderful, easy, simple to use technique that just makes your reading easier. There's lots more. When we come back. You can just shift gears into names, which are reading books is vitally important. Remember getting people's names right. That's a career Craig crisis. If you can't do it correctly. And I've seen you memorize thousands of hundreds of names. I mentioned a little bit of how you do it, but but you're very humble about the fact that we can all do at least better than we're doing and maybe something more approachable to you. Uh. It walked me through that, and you know you have this m O m acordym. But the specifics of it or what kept me, Yeah, they're they're really really quickly. I think, um, one of the most important business etiquette and networking just people's skills is just to remember someone's name. I mean, we all know the message we send to somebody when you meet somebody in the handshake brakes and all of a sudden the name just disappears. Or if it's not a short term issue, it's a long term issue where somebody taps you on your shoulder. You turn around, and maybe you're at the gym or you're at the grocery store. You turn you see someone you recognize, but for life of you, you don't know. And the two of you, yeah, and it's a family, well good right, and the two of you meet so many people, and so it could be overwhelming. So a couple of tricks for everybody listening to be able to remember names better. Because, as they say, a name is the sweetest sound to a person's ears. Um, as you mentioned mom m o m very quickly, most people will say they are horrible rumor names. The population will admit. But let's say there was a suitcase here of a million dollars cash for you your favorite charity tax free. If you just remember the name in the next stranger you meet, who's gonna remember that person's name? Everybody, right, And so everybody has a great memory all of a sudden. And so notice that as your brain coach, you know what, coach also challenges you, you know, to get through what's not what's not true. So when we say we're horrible memory names, that's actually not true. We were good at remembering the names we want to remember. And so tapping in your motivation, a quick brain hack is just when you meet somebody for the first time, ask yourself, why don't want to remember this person's name? Maybe the show respect, Maybe to make a new friend. Maybe it's to practice these things I learned from this show. Because if you can't come with one reason, you're not going to remember I always help people reasons reap results, So tap into the reason. The second the oh in mom is stands for observation, and a lot of people they blame their retention. And it's not your retention, it's your attention. Most people are not paying attention. And that truth is when when people are meeting people at a business event or at a wedding, a lot of times they're not They're distracted. They're looking over your shoulder and seeing who else is here, who's more important here, Or if they're not visually distracted, they're they're internally distracted. They're they're not even listening. They're waiting for their turn to speak, or they're thinking about how they're going to respond, and you can't listen to that conversation with yourself and somebody else. And that's why people are forgetting the name. And I would say that I remember the second time I got to meet President Bill Clinton, and it was at a charity event, and the first time was very, very brief, But the second time, a couple years later, we were sitting at the same table and you remember my name, and I was just like, okay, he was told who was sitting you know, I know, and then he remembered the last conversation we had and okay, so nobody nobody told him that. And I was noticing when he was talking to me that. I was like, you know, on the memory, guy, I need to know how you're doing this. And he tells me a story about his grandfather in Arkansas getting the kids together, telling them stories. But after that he would quiz each one separately to find out if they're really paying attention and all this great idea, all these great ideas. But anyway, when he's telling me this, there's a lot of more important people in that room, and I felt like I was the only one. And I think his you know, people say, you know, he's got great charisma, great connector, great communicator, it's got a powerful presence. But I think his incredible memory and his powerful presence comes from being powerfully present. And that's something we all could do, and that's really what people want. That's the greatest gift. It's it's the presence that we have, you know, which is another word happens to being the word for the for the word gift, but being present with somebody And just notice, when we're talking about motivation, observation we're just talking about. Motivation is just caring because people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care and start to show so many hearing to care for their health, their family, their future, their finances. If you don't care enough, just remember their name and then they O is just observing or being present with them. So it's just caring and being present. But finally, the M stands for the mechanics. And these are the tips of the tricks, the techniques that we teach you know on our podcast. But one really fast one that anyone could do is just if you want to remember names and faces, like walk into a room and meet twenty strangers and leave saying goodbye to every single one of them by name. Remember this be swave, just always be swave. And again I use acronyms because they're simple mnemonic device. Like we learned back in school, um about the you know, homes being like the Great Lakes and so on, when you're looking in the mirror before homes, Yeah it was a yeah, Michigan Erie and Superior or Roy g Bib are all these little so these um, the acronyms are very useful. So remember be swave. So next time you're at an event and look in the mirror, you can check your makeup, your clothing, but say I'm gonna be swap. The B stands for believe, because if you believe you can and believe you can't, either way, you're right. Henry Ford said that. And the reason why is I say that is just get rid of the negative self talk. A lot of people say I'm horrible I remember names. But here's what you want to remember. Your brain is like a supercomputer, and yourself talk as a program that will run. So if you tell yourself you're not good at rememoring names, you will not remember the name of the next person you meet, because you program your supercomputer not to And I always talk people like and I would say I have the broken brain. I have a horrible memory. People say these all the time, and I say, if you fight for your limitations, you get to keep them. If you argue for your limits, they're they're yours. And here's the thing. Even if you're not saying out loud internally yourself talk, your mind is always eaves dropping on yourself talk. So you want if you want to keep it positive, or if you say to yourself, I I don't have a great memory, just add a little word like yet at that the end, people truly knew how powerful their mind was. They wouldn't say or think anything they didn't want to be true. And it's not to say you you have one negative thought and ruins your life forever, just like eating that one donuts going to But it's the consistency is to have it. So the B is believed. The E and B swab stands for exercise. And I don't mean physical exercise, although we know people who are more physically active will do better on mental acuity, have better focus memory. But I mean practice because practice makes practice makes progress. Right, and so the bad news is it takes effort. The good news and not as men, not as long as you think like I'm very good at memory names. But after thirty or sixty days, once you know how to drive a car and learn how to type, it's something that you just do right because it becomes the habits. So you want to practice this. And finally the suave the S is you say the name, and it's very very simple. You meet somebody and then you just repeat their name, right you ted, it's nice to meet you. And the reason why you also say it it makes you sure you observed it correctly. A lot of times you're in an event and there's distractions, there's noise. You don't want to have a twenty minute conversation with Ted and say goodbye, Ed, right, and so you want to be correct and so you say the name the you and swab stands for use it, and use it three or four times in the context of the conversation. But you don't want to abuse it. Lisa, it's great to see you again, Lesta. Do you want to grab lunch? Lisa? What do you want to talk? That would be an abuse, right, But you say one or two or three or four times in the context of the conversation, so that see you. The A is uh is ask And this is a great technique for people who have you meet them and their name is a name you haven't heard before, right, exactly what can you ask about someone's name? How do you spell it, where is it from? Who are you named after? What does it mean? I remember I was doing a training at the country's largest life insurance company, about a hundred people in the room. Training director's name was Nanquita, and I was like, that's a beautiful name. Where is it from? How do you spell it? What does it mean? And she paused. I was like what does it mean? And she looked at her coworkers and says, it means graceful falling waters. And I was like wow. And based on the audience reaction, I was like, how long have you worked here? Just like over four years? Many good friends here, Yes, the other and my my wedding, And I was like, raise your hand if you knew that's what Nikita's name met. And I have a hundred people, How many people raise their hand? Not one person? And I remember her name is the sweetest sound of person's ears. And so you could ask about a person's name. And then finally the V and the E. The V stands for visualize the person's name, meaning I bet your most people are better with faces than they are with names. You go to somebody's and you say, I remember your face, but I forgot your name. You never go to somebody say the opposite. You never go to someone say I remember your name, but I forgot your face. Right, remember hearts, I know what your heart looks like. Oh yeah, that's true. Um. So as a so of your dad. But that's kind of interesting. We want to have that conversation maybe on on my podcast of the cardiac Surgeon. To be able to recognize things, but visually we remember what we see because our visual cortex. There's a Chinese proverb that goes, what I hear, I forget what I see. I remember what I do. I understand what I hear. I forget I heard the name, I forgot it. When I see I remember, I saw the face. I remember the face and what I do going back to exercise, I understand. So if you tend to remember what you see, try seeing what you remember. So you meet somebody named David, and I just imagine a slingshot, just like hitting them on the nose. For David and Goliath. The person name is Bob, I imagine them bobbing. For Apple. Person's names Mary, imagine they're getting married, right. And for his name is Carol singing Christmas. Carol's perst name is John. You fill in the blanks right. When you meet thirty people, though, you're going to have some repetition of names, yes, and you don't have enough time to ask them what their name means. And you're doing this all in this you know how an hour, so you can't do all that, So the app So the best thing about this is when we're talking about these seven things, it doesn't have to be all seven, even if it's just two or three things. And the goal is not to be perfect. You know, I'm not perfect. I don't have a photographic memory. The goal is definitely progress and so um taking a split second, and you're right. If somebody has the same name to people have the name Bob, I'll use apples for both. And it's a mnemonic device, and it's you know what it is. It's to overcome what I call the six second syndrome. When somebody tells you anything a conversation of a phone number, of pin number, of a name, you have six seconds to do something with that information. Otherwise it's just gone in the ether. And what this allows you to do is put your awareness both on the name and on the person. So even when it doesn't work, it kind of still works because it puts your attention on the information you need to remember. And it's and once you know the person's name, then the picture disappears. It's just a it's like a bridge that to temporary hold if you will, until the true information gets encoded from your short term to your long term memory. And then finally, the I and suave stands for end. And what does that mean. It means exactly what I talked about, to be able to end the conversation saying their name, because if you can walk into a room of strangers and leave saying goodbye using their name, they're all going to remember you. And that's the standard skill. More questions after the break. You mentioned a photographic memory. I've always been fascinated by the phenomenon. I don't know how real it is, but I've read stories of Russian experiments where they visualize themselves walking down these long bookstacks basically on their memory, taking the second left, and then on the right there's a car, and there's a license plate of the car. And it's like looking at the phone book and looking at the answer. If you, I'm sure you have looked into it, can you explain to us what makes them special? What what what allows their brains to do that? And what what allows you to approximate that from the external world. It's not quite this. That's a that's a great question. So um so an idetic memory there's a phenomenon called idetic memorydetic and so when people say that they people have like a photographing memory. I don't think it's possible to the average. Is me my experience of years of teaching this, I haven't be able to duplicate that with with anybody. I feel like that's sure. Genetics and biology plays a role. And the good news is, you know the scientists haying is about one third of our memories predetermined by genetics and biology, but two thirds is in our control. The things you talk about on your show, A good brain diet, getting rid of negative thoughts, UM, you know, movement and exercise, UM nutrients, brain nutrients, a positive peer groups good for your brain, and clean environments great for your brain. Sleep very important for your brain. Brain protection. A lot of people, you know, concussions, traumatic brain and wear a helmet. New learnings in order foster neurogenesis, nerroplasticy, new brains, curations in your hippocampus, new new connections. It requires two things, novelty and nutrition. Stress management, and we know chronic stress shrinks the brain. Right, you know, if you're always cords all adrenalines, it's great fight or flight, but not great if you need to take a test or remember someone's name. So you know, there's hardware and then there's software. Um so that all those ten things are like the hardware of your your your brain, and the anatomy, the software, the things that we teach. And the big takeaway from this conversation I hope everyone walks away from is this you want to take nouns and tournament the verbs. Meaning that a lot of people say I don't have a great memory, have implies it to now and it's something you have, right I don't. I don't have focus today, I don't have motivation. I don't have creativity to write on my blog. Those aren't things you have. Those are things you do. And so because when you make it a have, you're at the you're at the effect, you're reacting. You just hope that today I have, you know, some magical power as opposed to a recipe, because when you turn something into verse, it gives you agency again where you have the power. It's a difference between a thermometer and a thermostat. If you look at a thermometer on the wall, it's only functions to react to the environment and as human beings worth a thermometer. Occasionally we react to the economy, react to someone, how someone treats us. But when we really want to take our lives to next level, spending more time identifying with the thermostat. Because thermostat doesn't react to the environment. It sets the environment, right, That's what leaders do it had it had it sets a goal, it sets a vision, The environment raises and arises to be able to meet that um. When it comes to a photographic memory, I believe there's something called h SAM highly superior autobiographical memory, and about a dozen people have been shown to have this where they could you say on May twenty one, what as them? Right? I get them a little bit because you and you mentioned in your mom uh technique for for people's names, you put it some emotional hook to it, because the key to long term memory is information by itself is forgettable. We we haven't. We're drowning information right now. The only thing that we remember things that touch us emotionally because information times emotion becomes becomes a long term memory and we forget. Like, think about what was the primary motion we felt back in school? The primary motion like like most people feel, probably right it's either most people are either cured and scared and confused, or their board right and boordom on a scale of zero to tend emotionally, boredom is zero. But if I just if we talk about information times, emotion is a long term memory is boredom is zero. Anything time zero is zero. So you wonder why you forgot the periodic table? You know, are all the things that we learned back back in school. And I would say that there's no such thing as a good or bad memory. There's just a trained memory in an untrained memory. It's never going to be perfect, nor would we want it to be perfect. It's useful sometimes to forget, but we have this greatness inside of us. I always tell people that your life is like an egg. That if an egg is broken by an outside force, life ends. But if it's broken by an inside force, life began and all great things begin on the inside, and everyone listening as greatness and genius inside. We just weren't taught how to unlock it. So I could have said goodbye to Quick saying he's a wonderful memory expert, but it said he's really a philosopher. Peep. 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