I'm a huge fan of collagen. One reason being looking at the body, one third of the protein in our body is collagen protein, so our skin, hair, nails, bones, discs, ligaments, tendons, fasha, connective tissue, gut lining, and part of our arterial walls. Even so much of our body is made up of collagen. Hi, I'm Dr Oz and this is the Doctor Oz podcast. Well everybody. He's one of the most influential voices and integrative medicine and clinical magician. Doctor Josh acts that admission to transform healthcare with the power of food. He's best selling author in Today's Exclusively Be Given us the Details and his brand new book That College and Died especially have a door to having you on the show, besides the fact people think you're a g Q model and is a wonderful years wonderful us on the inside is more on the outside. Um, can you just bring everybody up to date and how you got interested in the power of traditional natural remedies and healthcare. It's not something that comes naturally to a lot of folks health care system. Yeah, absolutely So for me really had to do with a health crisis and my family, you know, growing up, my family was into fitness, but I wouldn't say into hell. So my mom was my gym teacher in elementary school. My dad was a weightlifter and uh, and so we thought we were healthy. But at four years old, my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. And she went through the conventional sort of system at the time, and she had amassectomy and went through chemotherapy. And I remember this day. I mean I was in junior high at the time. I remember remember seeing her lose her hair and how sick she got, and you know, praise God. She went through those treatments and was diagnosed as being cancer free and how healthy. But what the problem afterwards? She she just continued to have more health struggle. She was diagnosed with chronic critique syndrome. She had, uh, you know, hypothyroidism, got issues. She was just kind of sick and tired all the time with thyroid and gut issues. And this went on for ten years. And about a little bit more than ten years later, I was in actually was training to become a doctor. I got a call from my mom and she says, I've got bad news. They found a tumor on my lungs and you know, they're they're they're considering treatment. What do I do? And I flew home from Florida back to Ohio at the time where we grew up, and we sat down, we prayed together. We just we felt really led to take care of her all naturally to start. And we were working with her oncologist who was in Colembus, Ohio, saying, hey, we want to try doing some of these natural things first, and they said, okay, but we want you to come back in four months. We're gonna reduce scans. And we said okay, And so with my mom, we radically changed everything. She started juicing that to bowles. She started doing a lot of remedies like rieshie, mushroom and tumeric. She started getting a lymphatic drainagement sage. The other big thing is she started reducing stress. Like my mom had so much fear and worry in her life and she decided I'm gonna let go of those things. She started uh horseback riding, which she did when she was, you know, a little kid. And so we followed this sort of natural program for four months. We went back and saw her in cologists in Columbus and her in college is called the next day, and she said, this is highly unusual. I we don't typically see things turned around this much this fast, they said, But the tumor that's there went from two point five centimeters down to one point two. This is we wanted. Yeah, it was amazing, that's right. Yeah. And then she went back several months later and it shrunk again. And and today my mom is sixty seven. She never did any any other treatments outside of taking Gere of her health. But here here's the thing I do want to say is, um my mom changed everything. I mean, she literally like she was the best patient I've ever had in terms of reducing stress and sticking to her juice, taking her supplements. And I'm not saying this happens for everybody. I'm not saying this as a cure, but I do know with my mom. That's one of the things that's really empowered me so much is and my now my mom is like, and my mom ran a five K with me a few years ago. She got second, and so funny my dad got third, so now she she would wear her little metal around. I got third actually in my age group as well, so um so she beat me too. So it was great and she water skis at sixties seven. Her my dad retired down in Florida. They live on a lake down there and just doing really amazing. So that's one of the biggest things that inspired me, and that's another reason why I started my website newsletter. Is uh, we didn't know, like, we didn't know how to be healthy growing up. It really took my mom getting sick that really launched us into searching for you know, search searching for truth. When you tell the story like they can just share with your mom, which is I know studying for a lot of the folks ondiouse it's apocryphal almost, I was, how was a possible? First of all, the because you even listen to her son, you have to applaud you, because most models will not listen to their son the doctor. You know that even though they're proud of you, it's so true. And to realize that to diet and lifestyle changes, she immediately impacted her immune system and arguably changed the course of her life. These people to think I can do that just by itself, how do you? How do you balance in your own practice? So maybe you speak to how much traditional medicine they are to pay attention to and when mayso you truch on alternative approaches. Yeah, so so my always, my, my, My advice is is always work with your doctor, be honest, talk them through what you're thinking with and really keep open. Communication is number one. But I would say this number one here, my my again, an oath I tuck is first, do no harm. And I know that to to a degree. If you look at the studies, a lot of the conventional treatments do have more side effects and a lot of the natural things. And so so what I tended to do is say, let's let's go at this as hard as we can. Let's if you've got heart disease, let's do tumoric, let's do hawthorne, let's do fish so, let's do cocutin, let's do exercise. Let's we're gonna stress. I lay at a very comprehensive here's a plan to follow, and let's do your best. But at the same time, get monitored, get checked, continue to have this relationship. And again, I never want somebody to go, uh, you know, do things against their doctor's will, but in agreement with and so again I found that most of the time, uh, you know, doctors are really really doctors want to They got medicine to help people get healthy and they want that for people. But I do think here's the thing I do want to say, it depends on the condition as well. If we're talking about something like diabetes where it's less aggressive and you have more time versus again, with my mom there's a tumor. I think there's different things. I think with my mom. Here's the other difference with my mom. My mom changed everything. Some people say, hey, I'm gonna change that doesn't work. I mean I think again, if somebody so you know that this is great, it's a really are and it's a big spectrum here. But my advice is always do everything you can naturally. But hey, there's a place where a medical says we have the best medical system in the world. It saves lives on a regular basis. And so again I do think there's great value in um, you know, kind of both worlds, depending upon the person. There's lots more will be come back if medicine and you know, and just getting the touch of benefits. But if if you want food to be the medicine, and obviously the converse is also true, give me the the three items as you always want in someone's grocery part the items as you crush on the most. Yeah, my, my, my advice. And I'll put these in one category herbs and spices, vegetables, and then after that, I'm gonna throw in a couple more. I mean, I love berries, but I also love things like bone broth, I love ologen, but those would be my top ones. And I'll say this if you look. I read a book years ago called the Okan Now and Diet, and I love the book, but they said American men consume one eighth of the antioxidants and herbs and spices than America. Are Americans in the US than Americans in Japan. And when our ancestors said medicine, they always were talking about herbs and spices. So I think if you look in the Middle East today, in Indian Asia, they are consuming so many herbs and spices. You go into a market, it smells like herbs and spices and maybe fish. You're go into a grocery store in American it smells like nothing or bleached, you know. But I think herbs and spices are probably the biggest thing we're missing. And I love the fact that you can pack recipes, avoid salt, to do a lot of things that that make vegetables taste better. One of the biggest challenges I've always noticed that to get My wife taught me this. Dafty's reinforced it is, if you eat food they love, you'll do it all the time. Well, you can make vegetables taste so good you wanna eat them all the time. But if you're just eating basically a side dish of your steak, of course doesn't taste very good. And god to be eating only raw which sometimes you suck the one. But my goodness, you Trey, with all the wonderful knowledge of humanity preparing food. Oh, I couldn't agree more. And that's the one of the reason I was. I was telling you and when I was interviewing you how much I love watching Daphne show, uh the chew and the dish. And then also I know your your wife, Lisa's a cook. But that being said, like Chelsea and I have like these food nights with friends, and we're both more introverted, but we love just having a couple, you know, a couple other couples over and doing some red wine and like we ever since we came back. We did a trip to Italy like seven years ago. We were like, we're doing these food nights with our friends and then we'll do it kind of all night. But people would ask me, and I'm not trying to boast, but they're like, why does your chicken or food tastes so much better when you make it? And I'd be like, because I use like trip with the herbs, Like when you use more basil and rosemary and garlic, everything tastes better. Yeah, show a little secret with you, Dapthys shared me. You ask all the great chefs the key to their success it's extra salt and butter. But for you, which have been better? So I want to applaud you. Um, your new book is called The College and Died, and you argue that collagen is that is missing. Keen create many people's health and a lot of people don't know much about collagen. And obviously there's always arguments about how much collegen gets into your actual skin to make it look better. But what else to do besides that? What give us a treatise on collegen and what it can do for folks? Yeah, so you know, I'm a huge fan of collagen. One reason being looking at the body, one third of the protein in our body is collagen protein, so our skin, hair, nails, bones, disks, ligaments, tendons, fasha, connective tissue, gut lining, and part of our arterial walls. Even and actually, if a woman is UH creating a new baby, it's the placenta is made up of mostly collagen. So so much of our body is made up of collagen. And you know, our body can create collagen on its own. Your body likes and needs things like vitamin C, a little bit of iron and zinc and certain things to actually create collagen. But your body, it's easier for your body to create college and when it has the direct building blocks, which is proline, glysen and hydroxy proline, which are something you're gonna consume if you consume bone broth or a collagen rich food. So sometimes people think if I eat collagen and makes immediately that collagen goes to the body and becomes collagen. It doesn't work that way. Your body has to break it down, but it uses those same building blocks to build collagen back up. And I've been so impressed as I've worked with UH, you know, patients in the past and people over the years, uh, looking at when they've used collagen, they'll notice their hair gets thicker, their nails are stronger, their skin starts looking better and more firm, and so. And there are some good studies on collagen decreasing, you know, the total depth of wrinkles and those sorts of things. So, so there's definitely some not a lot, but there definitely are some good, good early studies. That's source of the college of your opinion. And I'm I'm curious because ideally, if it's so valuate for humans, we would be able to get it from our food at some point. Yeah. Number one is bone off by far is your highest source. After that, it's gonna be eating the skin of animals. Historically when people ate fish, they would eat the skin um. Also, chicken skin is full of collagen beef so, and then the other thing is which we don't get much today. The next highest is organ meats actually like liver have some collagen in it. The thing is today we you know, we just eat like the chicken breast or the flesh. Where which is muscle building proteins is branch chain and menoes and mathionine. Today we're not. We don't drink as near as much broth. We don't, you know, we we don't eat the organ meats and that's that's really where all the collagen is. So as you go, you know, spend your time running around, you get exposed to the newest was cutting edge ideas, And I'm wondering what the next super food is, what's the next big tradition with food and stuff. I'm gonna move to some cool categories beyond that. Yeah, so so I think again, I'm gonna jump back to herbs and spices. I think adapted genic herbs are going to continue need to be popular. You look in you look in traditional Chinese medicine in Asia today, the amount of mushrooms people are eating is absolutely huge. I mean especially today. The benefits and there are Now, if we're talking about US studies, there's some good studies, but if you go over and look at the Middle Eastern and the Asian studies on mushrooms, they're incredible. Especially Rishi number one, I would say, lions mate. You know, lions Maine has been shown to be really good, good for the nervous system and for the brain. And then I also love you know my talking and Court of Sets, but I would say Rishi and Lions Maine are absolutely two of my favorites. And then I think some other adaptations. There's a there's one called hi Wo Shoe, which is called Foti. There's an angel and I love all the ancient legends, and so I fo t I. Yeah, So Foti the legend goes at a a male doctor's hair turned gray and he started something with fote everybody and it turned it from gray back to black. But anyways, all that being said, it's one of the most It's in Chinese medicine. It's under restore your jing, which in jing is essentially your strengthening your DNA. It's sperm, it's testostero, it's those sort of things, and men. It's a more gentle form of It's kind of in the Jin Singh family, but that's fantastic. I think Shossandra Franti aging um is another one that's gonna be popular, you know what's fun Like Oshua Ganda. Nobody knew what it was ten years ago, but now now everybody's talking about it. So I think we're gonna see more of these adapt agens. The foties, the Chasandra. I think don Kuai, especially for women around their menstrual cycle, it's the top blood builder. In fact, if you taste it tastes like iron, but it's um. I think more of these Chinese and irabetic herbs are gonna keep creeping into our our system. More questions after the break. So I'm going into China in November, and I end up going to China once a year. I went the first time in my father in law. Wow, and back then they were all everyone's writing. Now suits and there's electricity after the sundown was fascinating. The experience for me um and I really adore the culture, but especially the traditional Chinese medicine offerings. How have you learned so much about you know? Actually I learned it through an acupuncturist here in Nashville's name is Dr gil Banami, and he was in the Israeli UH Israeli Army and he studied under a you know, she was known as a master Chinese acupuncturist who lived in Israel. He trained under here, he moved to the US and he's one of my best friends. And so him and I for the past seven years, for ten years of really actually made about seven years. I I've spent a lot of time just picking his brain, doing lunch with him, talking, and then he recommended some Chinese medicine textbooks and I just read a lot, you know, So I'll just spend time talking to him and reading and I've a lot in the five elements. But really it was through his mentor show well, this picture but I'm taking. We're having a summit at the Beijing University of Traditional Chinese Medicine, and I there are some wonderful physicians there who are trying to explain so that the Western mine can understand it some of these tracial Chinese remedies and and and they're inter related with the aerobetic solutions as well. But just for everyone listening, there's thousands of years experienced right on these herbs. So there's something there. It works in a actually explain how you see Chinese herbal therapies in particular working. Yeah. So here here's what I think that people need to realize is I think a lot of times, and listen, I think there is a lot to be said about a double blind medical study. And we have a great system today for studies. But I don't think that should discount, you know, three thousand plus years of irabetic and Chinese medicine to where they weren't doing these double blind studies in the way we do them with large populations. But over time, what they accumulated together as a society really accumulates to millions of individual case studies on patients and some of the doctors using the herbs on themselves to see how the body reacts. And so the way that most Chinese medical physicians look at the body is it's not mostly based on hey, you have this gene, so it affects us. Of course we know genes have to be turned on. But they'll say it's based on your body's internal environment. Is your body too hot or is it too cold internally? Is it too damp or too dry? Is there too much movement called wind, too little movement called stagnation. So for instance, like why do we call it a cold today? You know that stems way way back from Chinese medicine where they said, well, your body is cold because it's cold internally, so you need to do warming spices. All the warming spices help you get rid of a cold, like uh, ginger, garlic, cinnamon, kaien, pepper. These are all warm spicy or regular. These are all warm spicy herbs. I used to take air of a pastor here in Nashville and I was like, he had a cold. I'm like, hey, what are you doing right now for your cold? I want to give you a few recommendations. He said, well, I always go home and do a hot toddy And I'm like, well is that. And I wasn't from Nashvia. I came from the North, so I had no idea. And he's like, well, I take whiskey, and let me say this. I don't think that's the best recommendation, but it's the hottest of all the cores and it's better than beer, which is cooling according to Chinese medicine. So all that being said, Chinese medicine, they look at what's going on in for instance, candida, and most digestive issues are called by dampness, and the foods that drive dampness are bitter herbs. Today it's all sweet and salty, no bitter and sour. And bitter and sour or will activate your liver and bio to dry up dampness. So anyways, that's that's the way that Chinese medicine practitioners look at healing your body. It's by changing your internal environment, which in strengthening your system to beat disease. No, Josh, just incation, which again you summarize two thousand years of human wisdom in about a minute and a Half's reflective of why you're so good at what you do. Your passion so seeps through all your pores. You're incredibly insightful and some of these really cool things are happening in life, and I get it. I have to say it's a bit of blessing and getting Annoli over with the eleven years of my show, and I know we'll do lost more fun stuff together. I wouldn't want to recognize that. You can hear lots more about Josh's. The latest focus hitting the stores the Seasember is called that Collagen died twenty one day planned for sustate weight loss, lowing skin, great gut health and young you. In the meantime, just search a xc acts. You know he comes up first and he's all over the place for good reasons. Josh, I wish you'd best my friend. Awesome. Well, let's say thanks so much, Dr Oz. It's an honor again I love what you do, love your mission, so thanks so much for having me on. God bless Josh, bless

I'm a huge fan of collagen. One reason being looking at the body, one third of the protein in our body is collagen protein, so our skin, hair, nails, bones, discs, ligaments, tendons, fasha, connective tissue, gut lining, and part of our arterial walls. Even so much of our body is made up of collagen. Hi, I'm Dr Oz and this is the Doctor Oz podcast. Well everybody. He's one of the most influential voices and integrative medicine and clinical magician. Doctor Josh acts that admission to transform healthcare with the power of food. He's best selling author in Today's Exclusively Be Given us the Details and his brand new book That College and Died especially have a door to having you on the show, besides the fact people think you're a g Q model and is a wonderful years wonderful us on the inside is more on the outside. Um, can you just bring everybody up to date and how you got interested in the power of traditional natural remedies and healthcare. It's not something that comes naturally to a lot of folks health care system. Yeah, absolutely So for me really had to do with a health crisis and my family, you know, growing up, my family was into fitness, but I wouldn't say into hell. So my mom was my gym teacher in elementary school. My dad was a weightlifter and uh, and so we thought we were healthy. But at four years old, my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. And she went through the conventional sort of system at the time, and she had amassectomy and went through chemotherapy. And I remember this day. I mean I was in junior high at the time. I remember remember seeing her lose her hair and how sick she got, and you know, praise God. She went through those treatments and was diagnosed as being cancer free and how healthy. But what the problem afterwards? She she just continued to have more health struggle. She was diagnosed with chronic critique syndrome. She had, uh, you know, hypothyroidism, got issues. She was just kind of sick and tired all the time with thyroid and gut issues. And this went on for ten years. And about a little bit more than ten years later, I was in actually was training to become a doctor. I got a call from my mom and she says, I've got bad news. They found a tumor on my lungs and you know, they're they're they're considering treatment. What do I do? And I flew home from Florida back to Ohio at the time where we grew up, and we sat down, we prayed together. We just we felt really led to take care of her all naturally to start. And we were working with her oncologist who was in Colembus, Ohio, saying, hey, we want to try doing some of these natural things first, and they said, okay, but we want you to come back in four months. We're gonna reduce scans. And we said okay, And so with my mom, we radically changed everything. She started juicing that to bowles. She started doing a lot of remedies like rieshie, mushroom and tumeric. She started getting a lymphatic drainagement sage. The other big thing is she started reducing stress. Like my mom had so much fear and worry in her life and she decided I'm gonna let go of those things. She started uh horseback riding, which she did when she was, you know, a little kid. And so we followed this sort of natural program for four months. We went back and saw her in cologists in Columbus and her in college is called the next day, and she said, this is highly unusual. I we don't typically see things turned around this much this fast, they said, But the tumor that's there went from two point five centimeters down to one point two. This is we wanted. Yeah, it was amazing, that's right. Yeah. And then she went back several months later and it shrunk again. And and today my mom is sixty seven. She never did any any other treatments outside of taking Gere of her health. But here here's the thing I do want to say is, um my mom changed everything. I mean, she literally like she was the best patient I've ever had in terms of reducing stress and sticking to her juice, taking her supplements. And I'm not saying this happens for everybody. I'm not saying this as a cure, but I do know with my mom. That's one of the things that's really empowered me so much is and my now my mom is like, and my mom ran a five K with me a few years ago. She got second, and so funny my dad got third, so now she she would wear her little metal around. I got third actually in my age group as well, so um so she beat me too. So it was great and she water skis at sixties seven. Her my dad retired down in Florida. They live on a lake down there and just doing really amazing. So that's one of the biggest things that inspired me, and that's another reason why I started my website newsletter. Is uh, we didn't know, like, we didn't know how to be healthy growing up. It really took my mom getting sick that really launched us into searching for you know, search searching for truth. When you tell the story like they can just share with your mom, which is I know studying for a lot of the folks ondiouse it's apocryphal almost, I was, how was a possible? First of all, the because you even listen to her son, you have to applaud you, because most models will not listen to their son the doctor. You know that even though they're proud of you, it's so true. And to realize that to diet and lifestyle changes, she immediately impacted her immune system and arguably changed the course of her life. These people to think I can do that just by itself, how do you? How do you balance in your own practice? So maybe you speak to how much traditional medicine they are to pay attention to and when mayso you truch on alternative approaches. Yeah, so so my always, my, my, My advice is is always work with your doctor, be honest, talk them through what you're thinking with and really keep open. Communication is number one. But I would say this number one here, my my again, an oath I tuck is first, do no harm. And I know that to to a degree. If you look at the studies, a lot of the conventional treatments do have more side effects and a lot of the natural things. And so so what I tended to do is say, let's let's go at this as hard as we can. Let's if you've got heart disease, let's do tumoric, let's do hawthorne, let's do fish so, let's do cocutin, let's do exercise. Let's we're gonna stress. I lay at a very comprehensive here's a plan to follow, and let's do your best. But at the same time, get monitored, get checked, continue to have this relationship. And again, I never want somebody to go, uh, you know, do things against their doctor's will, but in agreement with and so again I found that most of the time, uh, you know, doctors are really really doctors want to They got medicine to help people get healthy and they want that for people. But I do think here's the thing I do want to say, it depends on the condition as well. If we're talking about something like diabetes where it's less aggressive and you have more time versus again, with my mom there's a tumor. I think there's different things. I think with my mom. Here's the other difference with my mom. My mom changed everything. Some people say, hey, I'm gonna change that doesn't work. I mean I think again, if somebody so you know that this is great, it's a really are and it's a big spectrum here. But my advice is always do everything you can naturally. But hey, there's a place where a medical says we have the best medical system in the world. It saves lives on a regular basis. And so again I do think there's great value in um, you know, kind of both worlds, depending upon the person. There's lots more will be come back if medicine and you know, and just getting the touch of benefits. But if if you want food to be the medicine, and obviously the converse is also true, give me the the three items as you always want in someone's grocery part the items as you crush on the most. Yeah, my, my, my advice. And I'll put these in one category herbs and spices, vegetables, and then after that, I'm gonna throw in a couple more. I mean, I love berries, but I also love things like bone broth, I love ologen, but those would be my top ones. And I'll say this if you look. I read a book years ago called the Okan Now and Diet, and I love the book, but they said American men consume one eighth of the antioxidants and herbs and spices than America. Are Americans in the US than Americans in Japan. And when our ancestors said medicine, they always were talking about herbs and spices. So I think if you look in the Middle East today, in Indian Asia, they are consuming so many herbs and spices. You go into a market, it smells like herbs and spices and maybe fish. You're go into a grocery store in American it smells like nothing or bleached, you know. But I think herbs and spices are probably the biggest thing we're missing. And I love the fact that you can pack recipes, avoid salt, to do a lot of things that that make vegetables taste better. One of the biggest challenges I've always noticed that to get My wife taught me this. Dafty's reinforced it is, if you eat food they love, you'll do it all the time. Well, you can make vegetables taste so good you wanna eat them all the time. But if you're just eating basically a side dish of your steak, of course doesn't taste very good. And god to be eating only raw which sometimes you suck the one. But my goodness, you Trey, with all the wonderful knowledge of humanity preparing food. Oh, I couldn't agree more. And that's the one of the reason I was. I was telling you and when I was interviewing you how much I love watching Daphne show, uh the chew and the dish. And then also I know your your wife, Lisa's a cook. But that being said, like Chelsea and I have like these food nights with friends, and we're both more introverted, but we love just having a couple, you know, a couple other couples over and doing some red wine and like we ever since we came back. We did a trip to Italy like seven years ago. We were like, we're doing these food nights with our friends and then we'll do it kind of all night. But people would ask me, and I'm not trying to boast, but they're like, why does your chicken or food tastes so much better when you make it? And I'd be like, because I use like trip with the herbs, Like when you use more basil and rosemary and garlic, everything tastes better. Yeah, show a little secret with you, Dapthys shared me. You ask all the great chefs the key to their success it's extra salt and butter. But for you, which have been better? So I want to applaud you. Um, your new book is called The College and Died, and you argue that collagen is that is missing. Keen create many people's health and a lot of people don't know much about collagen. And obviously there's always arguments about how much collegen gets into your actual skin to make it look better. But what else to do besides that? What give us a treatise on collegen and what it can do for folks? Yeah, so you know, I'm a huge fan of collagen. One reason being looking at the body, one third of the protein in our body is collagen protein, so our skin, hair, nails, bones, disks, ligaments, tendons, fasha, connective tissue, gut lining, and part of our arterial walls. Even and actually, if a woman is UH creating a new baby, it's the placenta is made up of mostly collagen. So so much of our body is made up of collagen. And you know, our body can create collagen on its own. Your body likes and needs things like vitamin C, a little bit of iron and zinc and certain things to actually create collagen. But your body, it's easier for your body to create college and when it has the direct building blocks, which is proline, glysen and hydroxy proline, which are something you're gonna consume if you consume bone broth or a collagen rich food. So sometimes people think if I eat collagen and makes immediately that collagen goes to the body and becomes collagen. It doesn't work that way. Your body has to break it down, but it uses those same building blocks to build collagen back up. And I've been so impressed as I've worked with UH, you know, patients in the past and people over the years, uh, looking at when they've used collagen, they'll notice their hair gets thicker, their nails are stronger, their skin starts looking better and more firm, and so. And there are some good studies on collagen decreasing, you know, the total depth of wrinkles and those sorts of things. So, so there's definitely some not a lot, but there definitely are some good, good early studies. That's source of the college of your opinion. And I'm I'm curious because ideally, if it's so valuate for humans, we would be able to get it from our food at some point. Yeah. Number one is bone off by far is your highest source. After that, it's gonna be eating the skin of animals. Historically when people ate fish, they would eat the skin um. Also, chicken skin is full of collagen beef so, and then the other thing is which we don't get much today. The next highest is organ meats actually like liver have some collagen in it. The thing is today we you know, we just eat like the chicken breast or the flesh. Where which is muscle building proteins is branch chain and menoes and mathionine. Today we're not. We don't drink as near as much broth. We don't, you know, we we don't eat the organ meats and that's that's really where all the collagen is. So as you go, you know, spend your time running around, you get exposed to the newest was cutting edge ideas, And I'm wondering what the next super food is, what's the next big tradition with food and stuff. I'm gonna move to some cool categories beyond that. Yeah, so so I think again, I'm gonna jump back to herbs and spices. I think adapted genic herbs are going to continue need to be popular. You look in you look in traditional Chinese medicine in Asia today, the amount of mushrooms people are eating is absolutely huge. I mean especially today. The benefits and there are Now, if we're talking about US studies, there's some good studies, but if you go over and look at the Middle Eastern and the Asian studies on mushrooms, they're incredible. Especially Rishi number one, I would say, lions mate. You know, lions Maine has been shown to be really good, good for the nervous system and for the brain. And then I also love you know my talking and Court of Sets, but I would say Rishi and Lions Maine are absolutely two of my favorites. And then I think some other adaptations. There's a there's one called hi Wo Shoe, which is called Foti. There's an angel and I love all the ancient legends, and so I fo t I. Yeah, So Foti the legend goes at a a male doctor's hair turned gray and he started something with fote everybody and it turned it from gray back to black. But anyways, all that being said, it's one of the most It's in Chinese medicine. It's under restore your jing, which in jing is essentially your strengthening your DNA. It's sperm, it's testostero, it's those sort of things, and men. It's a more gentle form of It's kind of in the Jin Singh family, but that's fantastic. I think Shossandra Franti aging um is another one that's gonna be popular, you know what's fun Like Oshua Ganda. Nobody knew what it was ten years ago, but now now everybody's talking about it. So I think we're gonna see more of these adapt agens. The foties, the Chasandra. I think don Kuai, especially for women around their menstrual cycle, it's the top blood builder. In fact, if you taste it tastes like iron, but it's um. I think more of these Chinese and irabetic herbs are gonna keep creeping into our our system. More questions after the break. So I'm going into China in November, and I end up going to China once a year. I went the first time in my father in law. Wow, and back then they were all everyone's writing. Now suits and there's electricity after the sundown was fascinating. The experience for me um and I really adore the culture, but especially the traditional Chinese medicine offerings. How have you learned so much about you know? Actually I learned it through an acupuncturist here in Nashville's name is Dr gil Banami, and he was in the Israeli UH Israeli Army and he studied under a you know, she was known as a master Chinese acupuncturist who lived in Israel. He trained under here, he moved to the US and he's one of my best friends. And so him and I for the past seven years, for ten years of really actually made about seven years. I I've spent a lot of time just picking his brain, doing lunch with him, talking, and then he recommended some Chinese medicine textbooks and I just read a lot, you know, So I'll just spend time talking to him and reading and I've a lot in the five elements. But really it was through his mentor show well, this picture but I'm taking. We're having a summit at the Beijing University of Traditional Chinese Medicine, and I there are some wonderful physicians there who are trying to explain so that the Western mine can understand it some of these tracial Chinese remedies and and and they're inter related with the aerobetic solutions as well. But just for everyone listening, there's thousands of years experienced right on these herbs. So there's something there. It works in a actually explain how you see Chinese herbal therapies in particular working. Yeah. So here here's what I think that people need to realize is I think a lot of times, and listen, I think there is a lot to be said about a double blind medical study. And we have a great system today for studies. But I don't think that should discount, you know, three thousand plus years of irabetic and Chinese medicine to where they weren't doing these double blind studies in the way we do them with large populations. But over time, what they accumulated together as a society really accumulates to millions of individual case studies on patients and some of the doctors using the herbs on themselves to see how the body reacts. And so the way that most Chinese medical physicians look at the body is it's not mostly based on hey, you have this gene, so it affects us. Of course we know genes have to be turned on. But they'll say it's based on your body's internal environment. Is your body too hot or is it too cold internally? Is it too damp or too dry? Is there too much movement called wind, too little movement called stagnation. So for instance, like why do we call it a cold today? You know that stems way way back from Chinese medicine where they said, well, your body is cold because it's cold internally, so you need to do warming spices. All the warming spices help you get rid of a cold, like uh, ginger, garlic, cinnamon, kaien, pepper. These are all warm spicy or regular. These are all warm spicy herbs. I used to take air of a pastor here in Nashville and I was like, he had a cold. I'm like, hey, what are you doing right now for your cold? I want to give you a few recommendations. He said, well, I always go home and do a hot toddy And I'm like, well is that. And I wasn't from Nashvia. I came from the North, so I had no idea. And he's like, well, I take whiskey, and let me say this. I don't think that's the best recommendation, but it's the hottest of all the cores and it's better than beer, which is cooling according to Chinese medicine. So all that being said, Chinese medicine, they look at what's going on in for instance, candida, and most digestive issues are called by dampness, and the foods that drive dampness are bitter herbs. Today it's all sweet and salty, no bitter and sour. And bitter and sour or will activate your liver and bio to dry up dampness. So anyways, that's that's the way that Chinese medicine practitioners look at healing your body. It's by changing your internal environment, which in strengthening your system to beat disease. No, Josh, just incation, which again you summarize two thousand years of human wisdom in about a minute and a Half's reflective of why you're so good at what you do. Your passion so seeps through all your pores. You're incredibly insightful and some of these really cool things are happening in life, and I get it. I have to say it's a bit of blessing and getting Annoli over with the eleven years of my show, and I know we'll do lost more fun stuff together. I wouldn't want to recognize that. You can hear lots more about Josh's. The latest focus hitting the stores the Seasember is called that Collagen died twenty one day planned for sustate weight loss, lowing skin, great gut health and young you. In the meantime, just search a xc acts. You know he comes up first and he's all over the place for good reasons. Josh, I wish you'd best my friend. Awesome. Well, let's say thanks so much, Dr Oz. It's an honor again I love what you do, love your mission, so thanks so much for having me on. God bless Josh, bless