Julian Whitaker of the Whitaker Wellness Institute sits down with Dr. Oz to talk about the right way to eat in order to avoid what is being considered an epidemic in this country: Diabetes. Julian also reveals which fats can help people actually lose weight, and how knocking certain starches out of our diet can prevent illness and obesity.
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The general business of medicine is to keep it pharmaceutical, hospital based, high tech and surgery. That's that's that's trillions of dollars of income following that model. But if you use natural therapies and people began getting better and began falling out of the general realm, then you can generate a lot of animosity and it's basically economic. The term war everyone. I'm Dr Oz and this is the Doctors Podcast. Our guest is another than Julian Whittaker. Many of you know of Dr Whittaker's work. Uh, He's got a newsletter that's very, very widely read and very influential. He's written countless books. I think Julian thirteen books, is that right. They arranged on topics from well, you know, they from weight loss, which we'll talk a little bit about the day, to reversing diabetes which is related to weight loss, uh, to one I loved a lot was reversing heart disease. There was another one that I'm looking for the title here, I don't see it, but it was something like you know, why you should never have heart surgery, which a lot of my patients brought to me, which which actually makes some very good points about why we do too much of the interventions in America to treat cornerate disease. Dr Whittaker graduated from Dartmouth College. Dartmouth College just to be not not to prior too deeply. But that's where they wrote animal House, isn't it. Uh? I know it may have been as a member of Reternity that we called an animal house, but I'm not sure. Actually, you know it was written by Harvard Voice, which is where I went to school about Dartmouth received his Emory received his his medical degree from Emory University in nineteen seventyears. My dad trained in part complete the surgical Internship of Gay Memorial where again which I only knew of when I was a little boy, my my father was training there and it was this a tough city hospital. They gave just a wonderful education that folks who went through there. And then you went out to UH to a very different environment at University of California in San Francisco, and you're gonna, I think, gonna become an orthopedic surgeon. That's what I heard anyway. And then one day and I was curious how this happened, and you decided that you're gonna go work with Mr Perticin at the Longevity Center, and subsequently, in the nineteen seventy nine opened the Wittical Wellness Institute. And what happened there was this, uh was there some break that caused you to think, Hey, you know this is not my getting the righting answers for the people that I want to help through orthodox medical training. Well, a very short synopsis of the story. I did not finish the Residents disc wasn't happy with the idea of doing surgery the rest of my life, so I dropped out of the Residents program. Then I was working in the emergency room try to figure out what I was gonna do. And I'm a lady about thirty, I guess, came in with a sprained ankle and dry. This is the first time I've ever looked in someone's face and saw twinkling eyes. Now you hear about people whose eyes twinkled, well, hers did. And I noticed that she was very healthy, and it dawned on me. It was like an epiphany. It dawned on me that as physicians, we never study or try to understand help. We only learn and dwell in disease and so she happened to be a vitamin salesman for Shockley very Real Vitamin company and knew of a doctor in Pasadena that was using what we now call autho molecular medicine or alternative medicine. I went interviewed with him, worked with him. Then I read some books about Mathan Prittecken, and I went to Santa Barbara and got on his staff for about six months. And that's where I decided that I was going to run a institute where people came and were educated in their diet, had good, solid medical care, but had an alternative wellness approach to their diseases because I saw people get well at Pritkin and I had never seen anybody get well when I was in regular conventional medicine, because you're always going from one other drug to another drug. The more drugs and you get on this disease caravan, and you never really get well. And UH, in nineteen seventy nine we opened I opened up the Political Wellness Institute and we've been chugging along ever since with people coming in UH staying for a week, staying for two weeks or three weeks. But now we have you know, a lot of alternative therapies here, we have hyperbaric oxygen. We probably have the largest hyperbaric oxygen treatment center in North America in terms of numbers of people treated, simply because not many people do it. It's such a valuable therapy. But there's so many constrictions on what we do uh ethletical wellness, that it's rare to find everything that we do under one route. So I'm gonna walk if we couldn't through some of these specific therapies, including hyperbaric oxygen, but they just turn off. How do you get the ideas for some of these things? I mean hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which you know you can use for the bends. I guess it is not something that the average person would have thought would be helpful for tissue healing or many of the other purposes that has been argued to be beneficial for. Where do you get a lot of these ideas for the newsletter, for your radio program the like? Well, I think the ideas are pretty common. Um and and hyperberic auction has been around a hundred years, is uh. The interesting thing I think you can attest to this as well, is it often very effective natural low tech therapies are scorned by most medical schools and by most medical practitioners, And they scorn these uh, these activities not because they don't work, but just because they're not part of what they've been taught in medical school and not because of about part of what they used in hospitals. That's the definition of alternative medicine. We have two accupunctures in our clinic. Well they you never use accupulcture in the hospital. You use that you've never learned acupunction in medical school. Is not so much that I come up with ideas, it's that it's just that I'm open to ideas. But because the when you're open to the rationality of these of these holistic treatments and you put them together, you find that they work, and they work exceptionally well. UH in patients with the generity of disease, because the generity of disease their lifestyle problems. You know, you don't you're not you don't have some kind of bacteria that's causing you have heart disease. It's a lifestyle problem. Same with diabetes, same with obesity. So we bring people in, we address their lifestyle, we address their nutritional supplements. I think nutritional supplements dr OZ was the greatest medical breakthrough of last century. It dwarfs everything, dwarfs antibiotics, endowars surgery. It dwarfs everything because, for the first time in human civilization, you can take the active molecules of metabolic life, put them in a capsule and swallow them. You've never been able to do that prior to the nineteen fifties. This is a brand new development in human civilization to be able to take these authomolecular particles that are necessary for life and dose them, take them in at varying in large, larger and smaller doses, you know, depending upon the need and how much you need to facilitate. So let me get concrete and a couple of these things. And I just to emphasize, I understandable you have a large clinical practice, you take care of folks, and you get an idea of what works and doesn't work with any clinic. It has always amazed me how little peery viewed research has done a lot of these things, in part because they're not as lucrative as, for example, pharmaceutical products. So it's hard to I tell you something Druston the the peer of view literature of nutritional supplements is huge. It's just you never hear about it. I do a lecture on diabetes where I go through all of the elements that you one can take UH in the treatment of diabetes, and I quote from the peer of view literature Diabetes, Diabetes Care, AMAZ of Internal Medicine, American General Clinical Nutrition. I quote all of these subjects that are there there in the literature, but they are totally ignored. They ignored by physicians. There's one study I quote where um, a hundred adults don't set diabetics were either given a multiple vitamin or given a placebo. Those that had the placebo, nine of them had a disease during the year of the infectious disease of some kinds. Only seventeen, you know, with a very high statistical relevancy had a had a disease. Fifty percent of the those who were taking the pacebo had more time off due to illness than those that did not. Now we've got sixty million diabetics, how much could we say the money if we just gave them a multiple vitamin every day and cut their UH interim disease for a year from toe that was in the peer review literature. But as soon as nobody responded, they don't impart because I think there's within the years some other study comes out saying these act opposite. Take for example, my specialty area of cardioascar disease. We have a lot of literature microisen and I I'm gonna have Mike ask you some questions as well in a second. Have both look at that literature. Both were very comfortable of the role of micronutrients ortho molecular medicine as you describe it. And yet you know there's a paper that comes out every once in a while saying, hey, you know what they gave multi viteedmins in particular. See, you need to folks who are suffering from actresscrack disease and they die more frequently, and then you sort of tease it to the details of it. The other thing is you've got to take the sum total. If you use a negative study to throw out the baby with the bathwater and not looking at the totality of the scientific picture, we wouldn't have a single bypass operation done. We would not be allowed to put in a stamp. We would sure not be allowed to put in a medicated stamp, we would throw out virtually everything we're doing from a conventional point of view. You don't. You can't even find uh supportive scientific data that bypass surgery and and your plastics save lives. It's not even there to support the premise. Virtually all of the longevity studies on what we do most in cardiovactional disease and that has put in stints and do bypass virtually all the studies show that there is no longevity benefit. So you know it's any odd to simply dwell on a negative null study which shows that no, they didn't get better. When we're looking at all of this stuff in uh, in conventional medicine and can't even justify what we're doing from the positive studies. I think that what happens a lot of times with the with the interventions is you have a quick fixed mindset, but you also have a quick fixed solution. Now you're right, longevity is an example where stints have never been shown to prolonged life. Cardiac surgery has been shown to reduce life. Well, again, that's what pays the study we pick, But the you're hitting close to his when I'm talking about we will accept the steady study and throw it out. Okay, we had one stage shaid they reduced life. But when that happens to vitamins, the whole country goose nuts. You see, it's a different mindset. It's is they marched different drummers. Because the physicians love to jump on vitamins. They say, don't take them. The night cause prostate cancer one of the stupidest studies ever to come out. But when they have a valid study that shows that medicated stants increase heart attacks and increased death, right then they say, well that's only one study, but they don't have the studies to show that it worked. So h the dorment just again. I'm just gonna point this out and then we'll take a quick break and come I can talk about some of the specific therapies. But part of I think what happens is that patients come in they hasn't chest pain, and then someone says, you know, we can put a stent in there and get rid of the pain. And in fact, for that it actually works very well. What it doesn't do is addressed the underlying corrosive chemicals in our blood that lead to the disease. To begin with. That's the real solution. I think we're all in agreement on that. The part of the problem is that when in America polarized that we say, as you're gonna be a stent or is it going to be vitamins? And in fair in fairness, there are times when you want to have one or the other or both and fair actually, I think you need to always have nutritional elements no matter what. That has to be the foundation therapy. There are times, and there's been good data on people who have weak heart muscles that that bypassurgery is life saving. There's never been data right on stints preserving longevity, but both have been very effective in relief of symptoms. And now that is a problem because for a lot of Americans they figured no symptoms, no problem, and as we both know, that's not the case. And we come back, we're gonna talk to Dr Julian Whittaker, one of the nation's leaders an alternative integrative medicine, about hyperbaric oxygen, a little bit more about nutrients, and we talking about his diet book as well. The last part to come after the break. That way, let me ask you if I can um to talk a little bit about hyperbaric oxygen. You mentioned it earlier and then after that Mike Royson was at the Clevelan Clinic. Is going to prepper you with a bunch of questions that we've come up with. Dr Coach start off with a hyperbaric oxygen thoughts on that, what's the data that it works and what kind of problems do you use it for? Well, hyperberic oxygen gives the individual that is a huge step. Right now we are we are breathing atmosphere. The atmosphere contains When you look at the little oxygen mask in the and the TVs and go to the hospital and get oxygen, you're only getting a slight InHand you're going from. But when you're breathing, that's a fivefold increase in oxygen. Then when you get under pressure and you're under pressure of say one atmosphere of pressure, that's like scuba diving down the thirty three ft Now you're breathing ten times the amount of available oxygen. Now in areas that are are are present and are getting worse because of low oxygen tension, such as wounds, strokes, um let's see autism um um infections. Certain forms of cancer uh Alzheimer's disease. The these when they're flooded, when the when the when the disease area is flooded with oxygen, it stimulates the oxidation and the oxygen delivery system increases, and just dramatic improvements occur, particularly in such things as wound For instance, some burn centers use hyperbaric oxygen and some burn centers do not. We had a close friend of virus who had a flashburn of her face and she was looking at plastic surgery and scarring for the rest of her life, and she was in her twenties. We put her in the oxygen chamber. She had twenty one treatments, she'd go back. She did not have a single scar after her treatment of hyperic auxygen. And her docs were said, well, we did teate you to get into the hyperbaric auctions. Says I know, well we don't want you to. That's that's okay, you don't have to. I'm gonna do it anyway. And now she does, what's it worth to have flashburns of your face, treat with oxygen and have no scar? What is that worth? Because the first people she saw what she got to the e er when she was put up in the intensive care unit, were plastic surgeons as to how they want to reconstruct and cover up the damage. But now she has no damage. Dr Whittaker, let me switch topics now and go to one that's very common to everyone, which is obesity and and your new book, UM, which I think is called the Whittaker Wellness Weight Loss Program. Um. You admit you were in the book you you say you were once wrong about fat. How did you change? How did you change your practice? Um? And do you think other doctors or most other doctors still have the same misconceptions. Well, first, let's look at what happened to the American diet. Back in the nineteen seventies. The Senate Select Committee on Nutrition, hated by Senator George McGovern, came out with the first governmental federal government rate recommendations for diet, and they vilified fat. They said, we need to really restrict that because there was this belief that fat was the single most important cause of cardiovascular disease, and we need to glorify car behydrates, so we need to eat whole grains, pastas, breads, cereals. Well, the country did that and carbohydrate intake actually went up about six or seven percent. It didn't go to what they recommended, but it went up six or seven and fat intake, I see what do is because they remember back in the sixties we had all this, uh you know, in the seventies, we all of a sudden everything was non fat, low fat, reduced fat. Everything you know, used to have need to have a prescription to get skim milk back in the sixties. Not in the seventies and eighties, everything was nonfat and low fat. So we reduced fat intake by about four or five Now, had that been right, then the country would have graduated lost some weight. The changes weren't significant, but when you make those kinds of changes in three million people, that is huge. But the recommendations were not right because now obesity just sticks floated in America and in America only. And the reason is by shifting to more carbohydrates, to shifting to more starches, we simply turn the country into a feedlock and fattened to everybody up. Now we can talk about fast foods, we can talk about portion control, we can talk about video gains, we can talk about lack of exercise. But the one thing that we did do that was significant was that we substant we measurably reduced our intake of fat, and we measurably increase our intake of starts, and we exploded. We now have fift of the population with obesity, and it's gone up in the last twenty years. Now, point to anything else you want to Findly, I think Americans are more active today than they used to be because you need to get a lottery ticket to get into the New York Marathon and also the Boston Marathon. You have sports clubs all over the place. Yes, people join them and don't use them. So how should we change it to? Now? What should we be doing out the start? Don't eat bread, don't eat sugar desserts, and don't eat sugar food. You're you're a little more rational. You're a little more rational than that, because at least you you also have that carbs. Some carbs are good, such as fruits and vegetables. Correct. Absolutely. You see, if you look at your carbs and eliminate starch and sugar, then you first you've eliminated some very popular foods. Breads, cookies, cakes, you those are very popular food. But you can't eat substantial quantities of those and expect to lose weight. Virtually every study that is compared a reduct shouldn't in carbohydrate, and particularly a reduction in start to a UH diet that reduces calories only, but keep the start. We'll find that the more you reduce the carbohydrates, the more you reduce to start, the substantially more weight you will lose. It's just clear. It's always comes out that way. Even if you're eating healthy carbs, you will lose weight if you reduce the carb But I don't. I'm not like an active that says, don't eat any fruit, don't eat eat any tomatoes, don't eat any vegetables. I say, go ahead and keep those healthy foods in your program and simply take out the starts. And what will happen then is that your your your body will reset. The metabolism where reset because you're not constantly throwing in the carbohydrates that cause the fluctuations in the blood sugar, which then caused the cravings, which then caused the overeating, which then caused the obese And it's a vicious cycle. You take your carves out, you take the starches out, and then you take all the blood shooter swings and you do just five and you lose weight. Now do you think we have to watch what kind of fat? In other words, should we beating more omega three than omega six colt? You know what is the value of large none? You know, So what your fats should be would be primarily in the in the unsaturated fats, the non trans fats you don't like stealing from trans fats, and also the omega three fatty ashes. There are so many studies on the multiplicity of value of omega three fatty acids. It goes from eliminating a d h D in children, too helpful in prevention of thyroid cancer. I mean, omega three fatty acids just do seem to do everything. And I believe the reason they seem to do everything is because in this country we don't get any There is no primary source of omega three fatty acids in food in this country. Unless you eat fish two to three times a week, we just don't get their Maga three fatty acids. And in countries where they do get the Maga three fatty acids, particularly places like Alaska, which is part of the United States, but but the Alaskan Eskimos. They're eating a lot of fish and a lot of seal. They're getting all the Omega three fatty ashis. That's where the information was discovered. But so if you eat their Maga three fatty asks and supplement the Omega three fatty acids, you're taking in some of the best fasts. And people have got to understand that there is a reason that the word essential is used before the Omega three fatty ashid. It's not a luxury read to take in additional Mega three fatty acids. They are essential and when you don't have them, you do get sick. It's that simple. So it's not just to reduce the starches, but you take in and eat a good fat I personally will eat salmon about two or three times a week, very high, and I'm making three fatty ashs Now, nobody does that. You're not little going to a restaurant, find people they say, yeah, I eat salmon three times a week. Julian Julian Um. You also have another point that I think that the Amendment and I truly believe in, so we want to want you to bring it out also, which is making an out lowed commitment to losing weight makes it different. Hey, that chapter is The chapter in the book is the Political Wellness Weight Loss Program. The chapter in the book is entitled instant discipline. Because everybody makes commitments. Look at look at new Year's resolutions. They're worthless, absolutely worth it, nobody or essentially nobody, unmeasurable uh small statistic. Actually follow us through a New Year's resolutions. Why because there's no downside, there's no punishment. So we have a mechanism of instant discipline by making yourself accountable and making it um uh costly not to follow through a new commitments. It's very simple. Let's say you will use your You're gonna want to run, You're gonna want to walk three days a week, and you're gonna walk half an hour for three days a week. And you're gonna want to do this for two months. So that's eight weeks. That's not a bank big commitment. You can pull that off. You can do that. So you write out a piece of paper, I Julian work. I am going to walk Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for one half hour for full weeks, starting today and going through for four weeks. If I finish a week without walking one of the seven days three of the seven days. As I committed to, I agreed to send one thousand dollars to my least favorite charity. If you're Democrat, put down the Republican National if your Republican put down the Democrat National Committee, and then you sign it, you have someone witness it, and then you take it to your bullets and the board at work, and you put it up on the bullets board. And guess what, over those four weeks, over that eight week period, you're going to walk three days a week. It will be so easy to do because the difficulty to pain in the embarrassment of not doing it oval uh is far greater than the discomfort or inconvenience of doing it. It's very simple. If you have a job and you're supposed to be there at eight o'clock, um, you know, uh, ninety nine out of a hundred times you're gonnahow up at eight o'clock. But if you start saying, well, I don't feel like I'm gonna go into ten, You're gonna get fired. So you don't do that. That's absolutely right. I'm gonna turn it back to Amendment. There's a lot far where that came from. But first a quick break. You're pretty outspoken your criticism of orthodox medicine. Oh um. I try to keep a very reasonable profile. I don't do anything that I can't destend, and I'm very careful with records. But you know, the establishment, as you may know, really is very irritated by physicians like me who do use natural therapies and advocating, And if you look over the landscape, most physicians don't and they are terrified too because their consequences with peer review, that consequences with medical boards, that consequences with medicare. I'm in a big fight with Medicare right now because the the general business of medicine is to keep it pharmaceutical, hospital based, high tech and surgery. That's that's medicine. That's trillions of dollars of income following that model. But if you use natural therapies and people began getting better and began falling out of the general realm, then you can generate a lot of animosity and it's basically economic. It's a turf war, and they will they will come after you. It's a it's a turf war. I have to be not only fixed skin. But I have to really do be very careful of how I keep records, very careful of how we treat patients, um because uh, you know, the you know, just do the do the math, do the economic do the economics of it. This is a huge turf war dr because let me push if I could have lit on keelation. And part of the issue I think for a lot of practitioners is that. And we talked about data and how it can be deconstructed and deconstructed in different ways. But they look at data, for example, on people who might have life threatening problems with heart blockages, and they say, okay, in those situations that we definitely want to operate. And then there's a huge swath of patients who have primarily biochemical problems who present with blocks of arteries. And then you're sort of stuck thinking, okay, do I trust this patient to actually be proactive on their own And you say, my goodness, you know, I understand why periple vascar disease it might be so effective, but then again, sort of walking and stopping smoking, right, it's pretty hard. It's pretty rare to have so such significant peripheral vascuar disease with leg pain. When when that that that that folks aren't impart responsible for themselves because they were smokers. And so there there's that tug of board that always goes on between lifestyles, alternative medicine and the much more invasive conventional medicine. And that's why I spent a lot of my life trying to navigate because in fairness, and I think you sort of said this a couple of times, the biggest decisions and the biggest impacts, we're gonna have our things. We're gonna do ourselves exactly right. We don't have to pay anybody for absolutely And you know there's there's their studies that are quote all the time where they say seventy of the people that have cardiovac disease now would improve with the best therapy being a lifestyle change, decrease in depth with a lifestyle change. The numbers are are are huge at the power of the natural therapies, but the general thrust is for surgical and that's money, that's economics. But we do E c P, we do hyperbaric oxygen, we do intravenous vitamins like high dose vitamins. C Dr Wittker what you mentioned ECP, not just for everybody outlet you're listening e E. C P is a process where they put blood pressure cuffs on your legs and they sequentially inflate them. Now this seems crazy, but that actually is FDA proved, as you know, and it works by stimulating extra blood to go back into the heart, which then gets the heart to grow new pathways. Exactly. Yeah, So how do you actually do it when in practice? How many times do people get treated? What's what's been your experience, especially for folks who have angina chest pain related to blocks of their arteries. Oh, it's it's the most predictive. The beneficial therapy we have predictably beneficial. President, you have angina, you go through twenty e CPS, your agina is going to be substantially less, if not completely gone. It is predictable, and it's a large inflating and would each heartbeat it compresses, so it's sitting in an additional pulse wave. It's an enhanced extra external pulse wave UH counter pulsation. And what it's doing is opening up the collaterals. It is making the arteries more flexible. UM, it is generating collateral circulation. By the body is doing all of these things. So, with vascular disease either in the legs or in the cardivational system, this therapy, which is about one tenth the cost to bypass, you know, is extremely affected and they know it's affective, and so to protect the bypass industry, Medicare will not pay for it unless a cardiologist states that this individual is not a candidate for bypass surgery. It's insane. What about the fact that the patient would like to have E c P instead of bypass surgery, Well, that doesn't enter the equation. The equation has to be some doc has to say, this patient is not a candidate for this, So therefore Medicare will pay for this as a treatment or a cardiovaction disease. But we do it with all patients who want to have treatment with e E c P because it's simply works, it's safer, it's less expensive, um, and you're not gonna hurt anybody with it, all right, So Dr everybody with the surgery. Dr Whittaker that that let's talked about vitamins. Now that the question I get asked the most on the program and by everyone out there listening with Dr Julian Whittaker, one of many of you. The Whitnaker newsletter, UM radio is wellness program and uh is the Sant Diego. Isn't it the wellness program that was in Newport Beach, California? Newport Beach or it's close to l A. Oh, that's great? Uh? The uh the The reality is that vitamins is something that a lot of folks get a ton of information on and there it's often conflicting, although there's some fundamental uh areas where most folks agree on. So if i'm I'm I just turned forty seven, um, how you have no medical problems? What vitamins should I be taking? And then Lisa's uh four years three haf years older than I am, and she's uh also healthy? What should she be taking? So old people? Basically, you're in good health, you need to eat a good diet and you need to exercise, and then you just need to take a multiple vitamin which has all of the B complex in and I would look for like, look at B six and make sure it has about fifty two D milligrams and be six. Take one that has some some punch to it. Don't take itamins that has six milligrams and B six. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. It's like being in the ocean. It's not going to make a difference. So you take multiple vitamins with about fifty milligrams of B six as a marker. Look at the trace minerals. And when you're looking at trace minerals, you know, look at chromium or selenium and take about a hundred two hundred micrograms of chromium and also make sure it has about the same amount of selenium. And then you look at the antioxidants and you take about four to eight hundred units of vitamin E. You take the beta caroteen. Uh, you know, the betacretein about four four to six thousand units of beta caroteen. You take the Let's see what the other accidents. How much do you get people in vitamin C? You need about a thousand to five thousand other glanders a day. Um Uh. If we look at vitamin C that is produced in the in the bodies of other mammals, you see human beings and monkeys are the only mammals that don't produce vitamin C. Dogs, cow, sheep, goats, uh. You know, they all are churning out vitamin C and they're producing what would be equivalent in US of about five thousand mill glands of vitamins see a day. That would be the target where you would, uh, you take about that because that's what the other animals are producing. And these are animals that are eating vitamin C as well. Cows and sheep their grazors, they eat envitamins see in the vegetables, but they still produce ship and when they get ill, they produce more. So if if they I look at, somewhere between two and five grams a day would be what I would take. And that's to some people, particularly the uninitiated, particularly those that haven't studied the area of vitamin C and made these um you know connections. That's of a huge dose, but it's not that bigger dose, all right. So we got vitamin C E and eighties or antioxidants, slinium, chromium, bamin B, what else, sexual fatty acids? How much do that you take? And then especially the next one would be right up there with them in massa Maga three fatty acids, and the MAGA three fatty acids get a high quality of MAGA three fatty acid and it doesn't have to be concentrated, just the regular official and take about ten capsules per day because with that the amount matters. One and two a day it will help. So ten capsules is ten grams of essential fatty grams. Right. Yes, if you don't do that, take five. But don't think that just taking one or two capsules a week is going to give you anywhere near the optimum amount of the Omega three fatty acids. Uh. You know this is this is one of the areas where you really aren't getting it in your food because it's just not there. And though you just covered the can today, you just covered the basic territories. There anything else besides those that you think are pretty important to give the folks well as people get older. Uh you know, And uh, this is one of the areas where it's very exciting to me about the new products there are. There are now supplemental risks vera tral, which is the active ingredient red wine, which is kind of responsible for what we've known as the French paradox. They're eating all this high fat food over in France, yet France has more individuals of that are centurions in any country in the world. There's sections in your in Italy. You know, there's verytal story which we told a bit about, and I think that's actually a very promising area. Dr Whittaker, I appreciate so much joining us today on the program. Fun as always provocative, inspirational, argumentative at times, which is good. Uh. You can get all the stuff on the table right as she raised your right, Dr Julie Whittaker, thank you for so much joining us. UH. If everyone interested, a lot more to fear about with Dr Whitticker's newsletter, and of course you can visit him in in UH in California as well.