A Slight Change of Plans is back on June 5! Maya talks with experts about meditation, self-compassion, the power of debate, and more. Plus, we explore personal stories of change, including what happens when you follow your passion, and that passion is … pizza.

For a behind-the-scenes look at the show, follow @DrMayaShankar on Instagram. 

A Slight Change of Plans is back on June 5! Maya talks with experts about meditation, self-compassion, the power of debate, and more. Plus, we explore personal stories of change, including what happens when you follow your passion, and that passion is … pizza.
For a behind-the-scenes look at the show, follow <a href="https://www.instagram.com/drmayashankar/?hl=en">@DrMayaShankar</a> on Instagram.

What happens when life doesn’t go according to plan? In this award-winning podcast, cognitive scientist Dr. Maya Shankar explores how we experience change and strategies we can use to better navigate moments of upheaval.

Maya’s life took a dramatic turn when an injury ended her career as a violinist and inspired her to study the science of change.

Named Apple Podcasts’ Best Show of the Year, A Slight Change of Plans features deeply personal stories and scientific insights about who we are and who we become in the face of a big change.

Past guests include Kacey Musgraves, Brené Brown, Ruby Bridges, Amanda Knox, Adam Grant, Angela Duckworth and more.

Whether it’s a sudden pivot or a slow transformation, each episode reveals how change can give us an opportunity to reimagine who we are and unlock greater possibility.

You can follow Maya on instagram @DrMayaShankar and read her free newsletter at changewithmaya.com.

 

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What happens when life doesn&rsquo;t go according to plan? In this award-winning podcast, cognitive scientist Dr. Maya Shankar explores how we experience change and strategies we can use to better navigate moments of upheaval.
Maya&rsquo;s life took a dramatic turn when an injury ended her career as a violinist and inspired her to study the science of change.
Named Apple Podcasts&rsquo; Best Show of the Year, A Slight Change of Plans features deeply personal stories and scientific insights about who we are and who we become in the face of a big change.
Past guests include Kacey Musgraves, Bren&eacute; Brown, Ruby Bridges, Amanda Knox, Adam Grant, Angela Duckworth and more.
Whether it&rsquo;s a sudden pivot or a slow transformation, each episode reveals how change can give us an opportunity to reimagine who we are and unlock greater possibility.
You can follow Maya on instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/drmayashankar/?hl=en">@DrMayaShankar</a> and read her free newsletter at&nbsp;<a href="http://changewithmaya.com/" data-stringify-link="http://changewithmaya.com" data-sk="tooltip_parent">changewithmaya.com</a>.
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A Slight Change of Plans

Coming Soon: The Science of Meditation, Self-Compassion, and More!

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Deepika Chopra, a clinical psychologist, has a problem with the way optimism is often defined. Real optimism, she says, shouldn’t be about always expecting the best, because sometimes the bad thing will happen. Instead, she wants us to expect the best from ourselves. 

On today’s episode, Deepika joins Maya to talk about the deeply personal experience that changed her understanding of optimism – and how to hold onto hope while staying planted in reality. 

Check out Deepika’s book, “The Power of Real Optimism: A Practical, Science-Based Guide to Staying Resilient, Curious, and Open Even When Life Is Hard.”

If you enjoyed our conversation with Deepika and want to hear more from A Slight Change of Plans, we recommend these episodes:
“You Have More Influence Than You Think” with Vanessa Bohns
“Why We Avoid Conversations That Would Make Us Happier” with Nick Epley
“How to Build Empathy and Avoid Burnout” with Jamil Zaki

Deepika Chopra, a clinical psychologist, has a problem with the way optimism is often defined. Real optimism, she says, shouldn&rsquo;t be about always expecting the best, because sometimes the bad thing will happen. Instead, she wants us to expect the best from ourselves.&nbsp;
On today&rsquo;s episode, Deepika joins Maya to talk about the deeply personal experience that changed her understanding of optimism &ndash; and how to hold onto hope while staying planted in reality.&nbsp;
Check out Deepika&rsquo;s book, &ldquo;<a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Power-of-Real-Optimism/Deepika-Chopra/9781668081129">The Power of Real Optimism: A Practical, Science-Based Guide to Staying Resilient, Curious, and Open Even When Life Is Hard</a>.&rdquo; If you enjoyed our conversation with Deepika and want to hear more from A Slight Change of Plans, we recommend these episodes:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/you-have-more-influence-than-you-think">You Have More Influence Than You Think</a>&rdquo; with Vanessa Bohns</li>
<li aria-level="1">&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/why-we-avoid-conversations-that-would-make-us-happier">Why We Avoid Conversations That Would Make Us Happier</a>&rdquo; with Nick Epley</li>
<li aria-level="1">&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/how-to-build-empathy-and-avoid-burnout">How to Build Empathy and Avoid Burnout</a>&rdquo; with Jamil Zaki</li>
</ul>

A Realist’s Guide to Optimism

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Amazon editors just chose Maya’s new book, “The Other Side of Change,” as one of the Best Books of 2026 So Far! To celebrate, we’re sharing a chapter from the audiobook with you today. 

Journalist Matt Gutman spent years reporting live from high-pressure situations all over the world. Calm and collected on camera, he was privately dealing with panic attacks behind the scenes. Then, after an on-air mistake jeopardized his livelihood, Matt fell into a seemingly endless cycle of negative thoughts. 

Order “The Other Side of Change: Who We Become When Life Makes Other Plans” at changewithmaya.com/book, or wherever you like to buy books. If you’ve already read “The Other Side of Change,” leave a quick review here: 

Check out some of Maya’s favorite episodes of “A Slight Change of Plans” here. 
A Black Musician Takes on the KKK- Daryl Davis (Spotify) (Apple)
Wired for Change - John Elder Robinson (Spotify) (Apple)
“Grieving the Man I Thought My Husband Was” - Susan Messing (Spotify) (Apple)
A Theranos Whistleblower- Erica Cheung (Spotify) (Apple)
The Science of Regret - Daniel Pink (Spotify) (Apple)
The Science of Making (and Keeping) Friends - Marisa Franco  (Spotify) (Apple)
How Awe Transforms Us - Dacher Keltner (Spotify) (Apple)
Brené Brown on Our Flawed, Imperfect Selves - Brené Brown (Spotify) (Apple)

Looking for more? Explore six years of inspiring stories of change and science-backed insights for a happier, healthier life here.

Amazon editors just chose Maya&rsquo;s new book, &ldquo;The Other Side of Change,&rdquo; as one of the Best Books of 2026 So Far! To celebrate, we&rsquo;re sharing a chapter from the audiobook with you today.&nbsp;
Journalist Matt Gutman spent years reporting live from high-pressure situations all over the world. Calm and collected on camera, he was privately dealing with panic attacks behind the scenes. Then, after an on-air mistake jeopardized his livelihood, Matt fell into a seemingly endless cycle of negative thoughts.&nbsp;
Order &ldquo;The Other Side of Change: Who We Become When Life Makes Other Plans&rdquo; at&nbsp;<a href="http://changewithmaya.com/book">changewithmaya.com/book</a>, or wherever you like to buy books. If you&rsquo;ve already read &ldquo;The Other Side of Change,&rdquo; leave a quick review <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/231404078-the-other-side-of-change">here</a>:&nbsp;
Check out some of Maya&rsquo;s favorite episodes of &ldquo;A Slight Change of Plans&rdquo; <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6BYaS1el1q5ZZc5zVYTnJq?si=SGZJiBDdQRCnxyAKtWFXdA">here</a>.&nbsp;
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<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/a-black-musician-takes-on-the-kkk">A Black Musician Takes on the KKK</a> - Daryl Davis (<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Mb984im8pAkAEoNDKjT2H?si=4874c8c4d1ec4453">Spotify</a>) (<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-slight-change-of-plans/id1561860622?i=1000522271417">Apple</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/wired-for-change">Wired for Change</a> - John Elder Robinson (<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/37ZUg9B0LfN3gxMekkOQ7Q?si=6ae73d2d57484004">Spotify</a>) (<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-slight-change-of-plans/id1561860622?i=1000543071488">Apple</a>)</li>
<li>&ldquo;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/opening-pandoras-box">Grieving the Man I Thought My Husband Was</a>&rdquo; - Susan Messing (<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0vP7xzJomT8IKWvUf3ceLO?si=7b0fc3158721430f">Spotify</a>) (<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-slight-change-of-plans/id1561860622?i=1000543072252">Apple</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/a-theranos-whistleblower">A Theranos Whistleblower</a> - Erica Cheung (<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/6vcjkq4jYCDnzkL4D34TUG?si=1eb92a02124c4829">Spotify</a>) (<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-slight-change-of-plans/id1561860622?i=1000568454048">Apple</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/the-science-of-regret-daniel-pink">The Science of Regret</a> - Daniel Pink (<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2cyHkRTeXh6sve74PEg1jw?si=1a6fd0b244ec4ad2">Spotify</a>) (<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-slight-change-of-plans/id1561860622?i=1000581065417">Apple</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/the-science-of-making-and-keeping-friends">The Science of Making (and Keeping) Friends</a> - Marisa Franco&nbsp; (<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/44kLRR7jUGMsSTf2P7a8hY?si=8aefd52198d749ec">Spotify</a>) (<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-slight-change-of-plans/id1561860622?i=1000606770347">Apple</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/how-awe-transforms-us">How Awe Transforms Us</a> - Dacher Keltner (<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0fNFgnQcLuQ2DIxB2Y2pPC?si=72f25fcbd9d84026">Spotify</a>) (<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-slight-change-of-plans/id1561860622?i=1000630457801">Apple</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans/brene-brown-on-our-flawed-imperfect-selves">Bren&eacute; Brown on Our Flawed, Imperfect Selves</a> - Bren&eacute; Brown (<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/6aNdDWnS84p0vonodwpXRK?si=c30bf70da2434864">Spotify</a>) (<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-slight-change-of-plans/id1561860622?i=1000652984538">Apple</a>)</li>
</ol>
Looking for more? Explore six years of inspiring stories of change and science-backed insights for a happier, healthier life&nbsp;<a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/a-slight-change-of-plans">here</a>.

When Panic Takes Over – And How to Break Free

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Today we’re bringing you an episode from Proxy, a show built around a simple idea: Whatever you might be going through — no matter how specific or hard to explain – you’re not alone. There is someone else out there, somewhere, who truly gets it – and they might have just the advice you need to hear. 

In this episode, a writer who loses her inner narrator grapples with what happens when you can’t do the thing you love the most anymore — the thing you’ve built your whole life and identity around — and gets help from another artist who’s gone through something similar.

You can find more episodes of Proxy at https://www.proxypodcast.com/, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Today we&rsquo;re bringing you an episode from Proxy, a show built around a simple idea: Whatever you might be going through &mdash; no matter how specific or hard to explain &ndash; you&rsquo;re not alone. There is someone else out there, somewhere, who truly gets it &ndash; and they might have just the advice you need to hear.&nbsp;
In this episode, a writer who loses her inner narrator grapples with what happens when you can&rsquo;t do the thing you love the most anymore &mdash; the thing you&rsquo;ve built your whole life and identity around &mdash; and gets help from another artist who&rsquo;s gone through something similar.
You can find more episodes of Proxy at&nbsp;<a href="https://www.proxypodcast.com/">https://www.proxypodcast.com/</a>, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Caitlin Lost the Voice in Her Head

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