In the book, we say you're not behind, You're becoming. And I just love that sentiment and that phrase, because for so long I felt like I was behind. I wasn't married at the right time, I wasn't with kids at the right time, I wasn't making this amount of money, and I just had to go through everything I went through to become the woman I am today, which is a woman that I love and that I'm so proud to be. And so for anyone listening, just remembering that that, like every day, you're becoming.

In the book, we say you're not behind, You're becoming. And I just love that sentiment and that phrase, because for so long I felt like I was behind. I wasn't married at the right time, I wasn't with kids at the right time, I wasn't making this amount of money, and I just had to go through everything I went through to become the woman I am today, which is a woman that I love and that I'm so proud to be. And so for anyone listening, just remembering that that, like every day, you're becoming.

Today. We have the incredible Krista Williams and Lindsay Simmek. They are the co hosts of the Almost thirty podcast and now authors of their first book, Almost thirty, A Definitive Guide to a life you love for the next decade and beyond. They started out as two best friends recording their conversations sitting in their closet, and now nine years later, they've built a global community the whole space for everything from spiritual growth to career pivots and everything in between. I haven't anyone to talk about astrology on this, so let's go what is that in return?

Today. We have the incredible Krista Williams and Lindsay Simmek. They are the co hosts of the Almost thirty podcast and now authors of their first book, Almost thirty, A Definitive Guide to a life you love for the next decade and beyond. They started out as two best friends recording their conversations sitting in their closet, and now nine years later, they've built a global community the whole space for everything from spiritual growth to career pivots and everything in between. I haven't anyone to talk about astrology on this, so let's go what is that in return?

And we're not experts, but when we learned this.

And we're not experts, but when we learned this.

It was a complete unlocked It's a season of life that we were in, or for.

It was a complete unlocked It's a season of life that we were in, or for.

Most people, their living life before that time just kind of programmed with what society tells them to do, what their parents want them to be, and they're living a life that may not be aligned to their soul but to external things.

Most people, their living life before that time just kind of programmed with what society tells them to do, what their parents want them to be, and they're living a life that may not be aligned to their soul but to external things.

This period of your life is actually it feels like it's crumbling, but it is truly coming together for you. This is really an opportunity to get in right relationship with change, because you're going to change throughout your whole life.

This period of your life is actually it feels like it's crumbling, but it is truly coming together for you. This is really an opportunity to get in right relationship with change, because you're going to change throughout your whole life.

We only need like magic in our life. I feel like everything is so practical, so logical, so theoretical. Everyone's like one thing to another, and then you think, but where's the magic in life? I'm radi WKA and on my podcast a really good Cry. We embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space for raw, unfielded conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow you to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together. Yes, thank you so much for being here. I am so happy to have you both here. I feel like I've known you for I don't know how many years. How many years has it been since we first met.

We only need like magic in our life. I feel like everything is so practical, so logical, so theoretical. Everyone's like one thing to another, and then you think, but where's the magic in life? I'm radi WKA and on my podcast a really good Cry. We embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space for raw, unfielded conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow you to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together. Yes, thank you so much for being here. I am so happy to have you both here. I feel like I've known you for I don't know how many years. How many years has it been since we first met.

Oh, I think you yeah, something like that.

Oh, I think you yeah, something like that.

It's been four years and I was in LA at the time. Yes, and you were one of the first podcasts that I actually came on. And you were both so gracious, so loving, so kind, and I felt such a great energy connection when we first met. So this is so exciting for me.

It's been four years and I was in LA at the time. Yes, and you were one of the first podcasts that I actually came on. And you were both so gracious, so loving, so kind, and I felt such a great energy connection when we first met. So this is so exciting for me.

It also feels so special.

It also feels so special.

And I remember you were one of those people, same with Jay, that you meet in person and you're like just in awe that you are everything and more that people see. And I'll also never forget when you did camp for us, so we have a virtual event camp that you did and you were telling us. You're like, I'm so nervous. I'm like, how is she? Oh my gosh, always tell us it was literally the sweetest, most endearing love.

And I remember you were one of those people, same with Jay, that you meet in person and you're like just in awe that you are everything and more that people see. And I'll also never forget when you did camp for us, so we have a virtual event camp that you did and you were telling us. You're like, I'm so nervous. I'm like, how is she? Oh my gosh, always tell us it was literally the sweetest, most endearing love.

I was like, she's even amazing when she's nervous. I'm like, what is going on?

I was like, she's even amazing when she's nervous. I'm like, what is going on?

It was just such a It was such a thing. So it's been so beautiful to know you and see you, and we're very grateful to be here.

It was just such a It was such a thing. So it's been so beautiful to know you and see you, and we're very grateful to be here.

You guys definitely help with my confidence, you know, coming on the show and then doing that, I felt like it boosted my confidence. The more I was doing something. So thank you guys for trusting me and having me on. I stop by asking because you both started recording your podcast in a closet, which I had no idea about, and now it's a top fifty podcast, which is absolutely insane. What was some of the pivotal moments that really helped to define where you are now? Like, tell me some of the moments through that journey.

You guys definitely help with my confidence, you know, coming on the show and then doing that, I felt like it boosted my confidence. The more I was doing something. So thank you guys for trusting me and having me on. I stop by asking because you both started recording your podcast in a closet, which I had no idea about, and now it's a top fifty podcast, which is absolutely insane. What was some of the pivotal moments that really helped to define where you are now? Like, tell me some of the moments through that journey.

Lindsay and I started on our closet floors. Yes, so you can start anything at any place. We had no intention of almost thirty becoming anything.

Lindsay and I started on our closet floors. Yes, so you can start anything at any place. We had no intention of almost thirty becoming anything.

You know.

You know.

I was in the corporate world. I was really struggling in my career and job. I wasn't happy, I didn't feel aligned or on purpose. And when we met each other, we were just having these really deep, meaningful conversations that felt exciting, that felt truthful, that felt authentic, and I feel like the way that I was living, I wasn't having that with anyone else, and so we were like, let's start a podcast, we guess and do it on our closet floors. It was twenty sixteen, so things weren't really happening then, But over the years, I think some of the pivotal moments for us of building Almost thirty and stepping out into our purpose of doing the podcast.

I was in the corporate world. I was really struggling in my career and job. I wasn't happy, I didn't feel aligned or on purpose. And when we met each other, we were just having these really deep, meaningful conversations that felt exciting, that felt truthful, that felt authentic, and I feel like the way that I was living, I wasn't having that with anyone else, and so we were like, let's start a podcast, we guess and do it on our closet floors. It was twenty sixteen, so things weren't really happening then, But over the years, I think some of the pivotal moments for us of building Almost thirty and stepping out into our purpose of doing the podcast.

I would say quitting my full.

I would say quitting my full.

Time job, quitting our full time jobs was huge because we built Almost thirty as like a side hustle. You know, I was so you guys can hear the desperation. I was so desperate to get out of the corporate world that I really wanted it to work. And so that moment where I could put in my two weeks because we had built the business for two years, we had learned to monetize it, We learned to hire a team and go on tour and do all these things that I never dreamed of doing, felt really really special and I just felt so proud that we were able to monetize our gifts and monetize our service. So for me, for sure, quitting my full time job, I was like, yes, this is it.

Time job, quitting our full time jobs was huge because we built Almost thirty as like a side hustle. You know, I was so you guys can hear the desperation. I was so desperate to get out of the corporate world that I really wanted it to work. And so that moment where I could put in my two weeks because we had built the business for two years, we had learned to monetize it, We learned to hire a team and go on tour and do all these things that I never dreamed of doing, felt really really special and I just felt so proud that we were able to monetize our gifts and monetize our service. So for me, for sure, quitting my full time job, I was like, yes, this is it.

And then we were able to like really lean in one hundred percent, which I think really accelerated what we were doing. And I think the other differentiator in our growth was just creating community. I think when you host a podcast, it is it is really easy to be behind the mic and kind of have this really intimate feel and that is so special and I think people feel that. But we decided to really get out there in real life very early on. I remember in the early days, we hosted a soul cycle class for all of.

And then we were able to like really lean in one hundred percent, which I think really accelerated what we were doing. And I think the other differentiator in our growth was just creating community. I think when you host a podcast, it is it is really easy to be behind the mic and kind of have this really intimate feel and that is so special and I think people feel that. But we decided to really get out there in real life very early on. I remember in the early days, we hosted a soul cycle class for all of.

Our listeners, thirty of them.

Our listeners, thirty of them.

It was sixty they showed up. But then, you know, two years in also we went on tour. No one asked us to go on tour, but we were like, we want.

It was sixty they showed up. But then, you know, two years in also we went on tour. No one asked us to go on tour, but we were like, we want.

To meet everyone. Yeah, so we literally toured the world.

To meet everyone. Yeah, so we literally toured the world.

We went to Sydney, Australia, we went to London, we went all over the US. It was incredible and I think that really it was different at the time. You know, people weren't going on tour for podcasting. They weren't meeting their listeners in person necessarily, and so I really feel like that boots on the ground, you know energy where people are like, oh wow, I met people in their community, I met them, I love listening to the show. It just it made it three D I think for people. So I think that was a huge part of our growth in the beginning too.

We went to Sydney, Australia, we went to London, we went all over the US. It was incredible and I think that really it was different at the time. You know, people weren't going on tour for podcasting. They weren't meeting their listeners in person necessarily, and so I really feel like that boots on the ground, you know energy where people are like, oh wow, I met people in their community, I met them, I love listening to the show. It just it made it three D I think for people. So I think that was a huge part of our growth in the beginning too.

Yeah, and I'll just say last thing on this, I'll never forget. We were in Sydney for tour and there was a woman there that had a really rare brain cancer and she was telling her story to our community, and then there was another woman there that had something similar and just it really showed the power of connection and vulnerability and being in person. And We've had so many moments like that over the years where it doesn't really involve us per se, but it involves the space we created to allow women to show up. And those kind of moments of people connecting and authenticity and truth and finding healing together have been like the best.

Yeah, and I'll just say last thing on this, I'll never forget. We were in Sydney for tour and there was a woman there that had a really rare brain cancer and she was telling her story to our community, and then there was another woman there that had something similar and just it really showed the power of connection and vulnerability and being in person. And We've had so many moments like that over the years where it doesn't really involve us per se, but it involves the space we created to allow women to show up. And those kind of moments of people connecting and authenticity and truth and finding healing together have been like the best.

And how many years has it been now that you've been doing this together?

And how many years has it been now that you've been doing this together?

Nine years?

Nine years?

Yeah, so from when you started to now, what has changed for you both? Like in terms of one the way that you see the service that you have, has it changed it all? And two working together to work together with someone that you consider a close friend or a best friend and to navigate that and for you to be successful for nine years, because I've had stories of people trying to do that. How has that been and how did you make it through? That would have been some of the challenges.

Yeah, so from when you started to now, what has changed for you both? Like in terms of one the way that you see the service that you have, has it changed it all? And two working together to work together with someone that you consider a close friend or a best friend and to navigate that and for you to be successful for nine years, because I've had stories of people trying to do that. How has that been and how did you make it through? That would have been some of the challenges.

Yeah, think the number one reason why businesses fail is because entrepreneurs or co founders don't work. So it's actually like statistically proven that most entrepreneurs and co founders don't work, so especially as women, it can be hard to maintain long term friendships. I'd love to hear you know your friendship view right now, But I'm someone that struggled with female friendships my whole life. Like I'm just a very deep feeler and I probably was a toxic one. I was probably with toxic people, you know, kind of did that dance the whole time.

Yeah, think the number one reason why businesses fail is because entrepreneurs or co founders don't work. So it's actually like statistically proven that most entrepreneurs and co founders don't work, so especially as women, it can be hard to maintain long term friendships. I'd love to hear you know your friendship view right now, But I'm someone that struggled with female friendships my whole life. Like I'm just a very deep feeler and I probably was a toxic one. I was probably with toxic people, you know, kind of did that dance the whole time.

But meeting Lindsay and having a.

But meeting Lindsay and having a.

Greater purpose that we were serving through almost thirty really helped us to prioritize like what we were doing and who we were. So over the years of building the business, we've changed completely. Like I started, I was in a long term relationship that turned marriage. You were single. Now she's married with a baby. I'm single on the street. So we've changed a lot. But what I think has made our relationship so strong is having values, having similar values, and then doing things like clearing conversations, you know, which Lindsay's so powerful to speak to, But we always make sure that we're going to show up authentically and truthfully and make sure we prioritize the right thing, which is our relationship.

Greater purpose that we were serving through almost thirty really helped us to prioritize like what we were doing and who we were. So over the years of building the business, we've changed completely. Like I started, I was in a long term relationship that turned marriage. You were single. Now she's married with a baby. I'm single on the street. So we've changed a lot. But what I think has made our relationship so strong is having values, having similar values, and then doing things like clearing conversations, you know, which Lindsay's so powerful to speak to, But we always make sure that we're going to show up authentically and truthfully and make sure we prioritize the right thing, which is our relationship.

Over the business. Yeah, those clearing conversations.

Over the business. Yeah, those clearing conversations.

I'll just break down for a hot second, because I think any friendship, any business partnership, any marriage can benefit from them. A clearing conversation, the intention is just a clear distortion in your relationship field. And we all know what that feels like. You know, it's a just a you know that not in your stomach, and it's that psychic sense that a lot is being said but not actually being said out loud. And the clearing conversation is really, you know, an intentional meeting between two people where you can come with truth, honesty, respect and love and be a really great listener and a really great communicator. And Kristin and I often do these on walks. You know, it's proven that, you know, moving your body while you're having a conversation actually allows you to speak more of your truth and also staring ahead and not I to eye. It's a very primal thing to be eye to eye with someone and feel like you're in fight or flight if it is a hard conversation. And so that really helps the body to relax, the minds relax, and you know, our intention when we do these things is just to be really honest and we know that coming into it, Yes, you know, so it's not it's like I know that Christa is coming with her heart leading rather than you know, her dumping just a ton of stuff in my lap and blaming me. We use a lot of eye statements that it could sound like, you know, the story I've been telling myself is that you know, I'm not valuable in this partnership, and I just feel like I'm I'm kind of not helping you. I feel like you're round of doing the most, which is the story I've told myself before. And then we're able to take responsibility and then also hear their own story, so they're just the best.

I'll just break down for a hot second, because I think any friendship, any business partnership, any marriage can benefit from them. A clearing conversation, the intention is just a clear distortion in your relationship field. And we all know what that feels like. You know, it's a just a you know that not in your stomach, and it's that psychic sense that a lot is being said but not actually being said out loud. And the clearing conversation is really, you know, an intentional meeting between two people where you can come with truth, honesty, respect and love and be a really great listener and a really great communicator. And Kristin and I often do these on walks. You know, it's proven that, you know, moving your body while you're having a conversation actually allows you to speak more of your truth and also staring ahead and not I to eye. It's a very primal thing to be eye to eye with someone and feel like you're in fight or flight if it is a hard conversation. And so that really helps the body to relax, the minds relax, and you know, our intention when we do these things is just to be really honest and we know that coming into it, Yes, you know, so it's not it's like I know that Christa is coming with her heart leading rather than you know, her dumping just a ton of stuff in my lap and blaming me. We use a lot of eye statements that it could sound like, you know, the story I've been telling myself is that you know, I'm not valuable in this partnership, and I just feel like I'm I'm kind of not helping you. I feel like you're round of doing the most, which is the story I've told myself before. And then we're able to take responsibility and then also hear their own story, so they're just the best.

Because you leave.

Because you leave.

Feeling heard, you leave feeling just lighter, you know. And this is normal in relationship for the fuel to get a little fuzzy, for the ebb and flow. It's not always going to be perfect, but if you allow for that and make room to clear, your relationships are going to be ten times healthier.

Feeling heard, you leave feeling just lighter, you know. And this is normal in relationship for the fuel to get a little fuzzy, for the ebb and flow. It's not always going to be perfect, but if you allow for that and make room to clear, your relationships are going to be ten times healthier.

I love that so much. I feel like growing up in well one, I was thinking about clearing conversation I need to have with someone.

I love that so much. I feel like growing up in well one, I was thinking about clearing conversation I need to have with someone.

Else, like story of my crying, I mean, like.

Else, like story of my crying, I mean, like.

Thinking about doing it for a while, and it just keeps getting put off, keeps getting put off. But it was something where I was like, I'm just going to leave it. It doesn't need to be said. But then it's like stopping me from seeing the person. It's stopping me from actually having a relationship with them, because there's you know, it's almost like it may not be a physical barrier, but it might as well be, because it becomes like that, doesn't it. The longer you leave something, the bigger it gets, and it calcifies and it's harder to work your way through it. But I also think I was thinking about my family, and you know, many families have had I don't know a family that hasn't. We've had so many ups and downs to our extended family, and I would always say, why can't we all just sit together and talk about it? And everyone thinks that's the more complicated option, and I'm like, how is that the more complicated option? This is the more complicated option.

Thinking about doing it for a while, and it just keeps getting put off, keeps getting put off. But it was something where I was like, I'm just going to leave it. It doesn't need to be said. But then it's like stopping me from seeing the person. It's stopping me from actually having a relationship with them, because there's you know, it's almost like it may not be a physical barrier, but it might as well be, because it becomes like that, doesn't it. The longer you leave something, the bigger it gets, and it calcifies and it's harder to work your way through it. But I also think I was thinking about my family, and you know, many families have had I don't know a family that hasn't. We've had so many ups and downs to our extended family, and I would always say, why can't we all just sit together and talk about it? And everyone thinks that's the more complicated option, and I'm like, how is that the more complicated option? This is the more complicated option.

It's sitting in the suffering of this, just the looping, you know, of the stories, the conversation, and it is it's like getting up the courage to say the thing, and then once it's over, you're.

It's sitting in the suffering of this, just the looping, you know, of the stories, the conversation, and it is it's like getting up the courage to say the thing, and then once it's over, you're.

Like, I'm free, I'm liberated. Like it feels so much better, and.

Like, I'm free, I'm liberated. Like it feels so much better, and.

It's so beautiful that you both both work in the same way. Your mind and heart are working in the same way, where you actually, you know, sometimes we jeopardize ourselves or we are self sabotage by not having those conversations. Yeah, because it allows us to be the victim. And you're like, oh, okay, I'm going to be the victim. This makes me feel so much better. That person must be wrong and therefore, in some way, we make ourselves feel superior, whereas when you end up clearing, you're both on a level playing field. How beautiful that you've been able to do that for nine years. You guys should be so proud of yourself with that.

It's so beautiful that you both both work in the same way. Your mind and heart are working in the same way, where you actually, you know, sometimes we jeopardize ourselves or we are self sabotage by not having those conversations. Yeah, because it allows us to be the victim. And you're like, oh, okay, I'm going to be the victim. This makes me feel so much better. That person must be wrong and therefore, in some way, we make ourselves feel superior, whereas when you end up clearing, you're both on a level playing field. How beautiful that you've been able to do that for nine years. You guys should be so proud of yourself with that.

We can work. Though we can work. Oh, I remember the very first one that I had.

We can work. Though we can work. Oh, I remember the very first one that I had.

It was like it was like probably a year in and it had built up so much and I was like, this isn't.

It was like it was like probably a year in and it had built up so much and I was like, this isn't.

Working, you know.

Working, you know.

I like, yeah, it was like messy, and I was like, this isn't working. And I was probably only doing you statements and I was probably so unregulated and it was just a mess. But like we committed to growth and coming back towards one another, and also therapy.

I like, yeah, it was like messy, and I was like, this isn't working. And I was probably only doing you statements and I was probably so unregulated and it was just a mess. But like we committed to growth and coming back towards one another, and also therapy.

Yeah, you know, like they so hopeful. Lindsay went to therapy first. I was like, oh, I can't. I don't trust anybody. I'm not going to Thank god you led the way.

Yeah, you know, like they so hopeful. Lindsay went to therapy first. I was like, oh, I can't. I don't trust anybody. I'm not going to Thank god you led the way.

But therapy also helps so that we can kind of process the messiness of it all and kind of get clear with that, so that anything that would be hurtful that we would potentially say to one another, we're kind of clearing with our therapist. So it's like there is availability and room for messy. There is availability in room to you know, not be perfectly polished and posed every time you speak, and therapy allows you to do that, so I can come to her as loving as possible. My therapist will also be like, hm, this seems like a pattern that you're in, or this seems like you know something's going on.

But therapy also helps so that we can kind of process the messiness of it all and kind of get clear with that, so that anything that would be hurtful that we would potentially say to one another, we're kind of clearing with our therapist. So it's like there is availability and room for messy. There is availability in room to you know, not be perfectly polished and posed every time you speak, and therapy allows you to do that, so I can come to her as loving as possible. My therapist will also be like, hm, this seems like a pattern that you're in, or this seems like you know something's going on.

It's also unrealistic to think that any relationship wouldn't have those problems, wouldn't have some sort of resistance. It's just whether it's the things that we experience outside of those relationships that end up seeping into them, or whether it's the conversations or lack of understanding of tone, or you know, I think tone plays such a big part if you haven't If you may say something in one way, the person receives it in another way. And so I just I love that. I think clearing conversations need to be done with everyone.

It's also unrealistic to think that any relationship wouldn't have those problems, wouldn't have some sort of resistance. It's just whether it's the things that we experience outside of those relationships that end up seeping into them, or whether it's the conversations or lack of understanding of tone, or you know, I think tone plays such a big part if you haven't If you may say something in one way, the person receives it in another way. And so I just I love that. I think clearing conversations need to be done with everyone.

And you're like.

And you're like.

Talking to yourself. Yes, I'm gonna text you to be like, girl, did you do that? Clear?

Talking to yourself. Yes, I'm gonna text you to be like, girl, did you do that? Clear?

Has your definition of success changed from when you started or would you say it stayed the same? Oh?

Has your definition of success changed from when you started or would you say it stayed the same? Oh?

Yeah, I mean I think that's something we're still kind of redefining as we go along these nine years. I think for me in the beginning, success was very very goal oriented, rather than really defining success as enjoyment and presence in the process. I think when you're starting a creative project, you know, especially a podcast, a lot of things can roll in, like the expectations of downloads, numbers, who's listening, who's not, what guests do we have on the show. Just lots of metrics that can distort the true feeling of success. And I've had to go that far and kind of get overwhelmed by that and then come back more recently, like we wrote our book and the other day I was just like, girl, you wrote a book that is that is the successful part of this process what happens after? You know, I want it to be in as many hands as possible. I want people to be impacted all over the world. But that is not a metric that is a part of my true success around this book. So I've just got had to get clear every step of the way because we're human, you know, Like I'll let those things kind of seep in. But I've really become obsessed with am I enjoying the process? Am I myself in this process? And am I present here? I don't want to look back and be like wow, like I didn't really enjoy creating this because I was so wrapped up in well, like what do people want from me, and just kind of like pulling out strings that I could be using to really create something great.

Yeah, I mean I think that's something we're still kind of redefining as we go along these nine years. I think for me in the beginning, success was very very goal oriented, rather than really defining success as enjoyment and presence in the process. I think when you're starting a creative project, you know, especially a podcast, a lot of things can roll in, like the expectations of downloads, numbers, who's listening, who's not, what guests do we have on the show. Just lots of metrics that can distort the true feeling of success. And I've had to go that far and kind of get overwhelmed by that and then come back more recently, like we wrote our book and the other day I was just like, girl, you wrote a book that is that is the successful part of this process what happens after? You know, I want it to be in as many hands as possible. I want people to be impacted all over the world. But that is not a metric that is a part of my true success around this book. So I've just got had to get clear every step of the way because we're human, you know, Like I'll let those things kind of seep in. But I've really become obsessed with am I enjoying the process? Am I myself in this process? And am I present here? I don't want to look back and be like wow, like I didn't really enjoy creating this because I was so wrapped up in well, like what do people want from me, and just kind of like pulling out strings that I could be using to really create something great.

Yeah, this one is one of my struggles in life.

Yeah, this one is one of my struggles in life.

You know. I think for me, success has always been that thing that I chase and that I desire. And what I realized oftentimes was that when I was chasing a number, I knew I was off track. If it was a number related to my weight, if it was number related to money, if it was a number related to followers, or likes or purchases or you know, all these things that were externally focused on something that could be deduced to another I'm off track because whether I weigh a certain amount, you know, whatever amount, it's like, how do I feel on my body if I'm impacting five million people or five Like, impacting one person's life positively is huge, And so I always kind of come back to like outside of numbers, like how do I feel like my success now? Is how much fun I'm having? I'm like, am I enjoying the process? And for writing the book? You know, the process of writing was so much fun, and we were just talking a little bit before and then you get to the part where you're like marketing it and selling it, which is so much fun in a dream. But for that perfectionist part of me and that part of me that feels like I'm never good enough, it's been just a challenge, you know, to show up. And so I've had to really come to like this is for me to enjoy, Like I am able to have fun, I'm able to enjoy the process, and being successful would be like loving what I'm doing and loving who I am. And so now it's so much more than a number or anything external.

You know. I think for me, success has always been that thing that I chase and that I desire. And what I realized oftentimes was that when I was chasing a number, I knew I was off track. If it was a number related to my weight, if it was number related to money, if it was a number related to followers, or likes or purchases or you know, all these things that were externally focused on something that could be deduced to another I'm off track because whether I weigh a certain amount, you know, whatever amount, it's like, how do I feel on my body if I'm impacting five million people or five Like, impacting one person's life positively is huge, And so I always kind of come back to like outside of numbers, like how do I feel like my success now? Is how much fun I'm having? I'm like, am I enjoying the process? And for writing the book? You know, the process of writing was so much fun, and we were just talking a little bit before and then you get to the part where you're like marketing it and selling it, which is so much fun in a dream. But for that perfectionist part of me and that part of me that feels like I'm never good enough, it's been just a challenge, you know, to show up. And so I've had to really come to like this is for me to enjoy, Like I am able to have fun, I'm able to enjoy the process, and being successful would be like loving what I'm doing and loving who I am. And so now it's so much more than a number or anything external.

It's a feeling.

It's a feeling.

And how have you guys moved from because I think, you know, I'm sure many people can relate to that. How have you moved from the mindset of numbers, whether it is on a scale, to do with your body or to do with your work, to how you are now? Do you have any practices or anything specific and tangible that people can do to allow themselves that journey.

And how have you guys moved from because I think, you know, I'm sure many people can relate to that. How have you moved from the mindset of numbers, whether it is on a scale, to do with your body or to do with your work, to how you are now? Do you have any practices or anything specific and tangible that people can do to allow themselves that journey.

Yeah, this is a simple one, but it's just kind of trained my mind to sync up with my heart. But I put an alarm on my phone to like check in during the day. Oftentimes I'm doing creative things or in our business in whatever way, and I can get very serious very quickly and then kind of wrapped up in what I haven't done yet, or you know, yeah, just kind of the lack and the alarm on my phone is there's various ones, but it's like check in. It's like checking in with the heart. So it's like, how are you really feeling in this moment, and how can you invite in more joys? And so it's a little corny, but it's actually trained me. I don't necessarily need the alarm now all the time. Because I can just really check in in those moments that I feel myself getting a little rigid, a little serious, a little wrapped up in the mind and what it's saying, how it's making meaning about what I'm doing, and really just dropping down into my heart and just being like, Okay, how does this feel? How can you invite in a little bit more joy to this? Because at the end of the day, and we talk about this in the book, like the soul of ours is just like having a blast, like this is an adventure, So how can we take on more of like how she's experiencing this rather than like this, you know, the mind's kind of like heaviness and trudging through everything.

Yeah, this is a simple one, but it's just kind of trained my mind to sync up with my heart. But I put an alarm on my phone to like check in during the day. Oftentimes I'm doing creative things or in our business in whatever way, and I can get very serious very quickly and then kind of wrapped up in what I haven't done yet, or you know, yeah, just kind of the lack and the alarm on my phone is there's various ones, but it's like check in. It's like checking in with the heart. So it's like, how are you really feeling in this moment, and how can you invite in more joys? And so it's a little corny, but it's actually trained me. I don't necessarily need the alarm now all the time. Because I can just really check in in those moments that I feel myself getting a little rigid, a little serious, a little wrapped up in the mind and what it's saying, how it's making meaning about what I'm doing, and really just dropping down into my heart and just being like, Okay, how does this feel? How can you invite in a little bit more joy to this? Because at the end of the day, and we talk about this in the book, like the soul of ours is just like having a blast, like this is an adventure, So how can we take on more of like how she's experiencing this rather than like this, you know, the mind's kind of like heaviness and trudging through everything.

I love that that's so useful.

I love that that's so useful.

I think for me whenever I have moments where I'm really feeling good or on purpose, I just like to double click on it and just pause, like I like to just feel it cellularly.

I think for me whenever I have moments where I'm really feeling good or on purpose, I just like to double click on it and just pause, like I like to just feel it cellularly.

In my body.

In my body.

And it's almost like I'll stretch time, Like I'll just have a moment and I'm like, ooh, I'm feeling good. How can I slow down? How can I stretch time? How can I just feel it what it feels like to feel good? Cellularly in my body. Like as an example, we did an event a few weeks ago with a friend and we didn't really share about it. We just kind of showed up and there was like ten people there, which is great, ten people, We love them. But of course old me would have been like, there's not two hundred people here, what's the point. But my friend's kids were there, and I got to be with my friend's kids and play with her kids and laugh with her kids, and I was like, this is what this is about when I'm eighty. This is what I'm going to value when i'm older. This is what I'll value. And having moments of play and laughter felt like more worth it than if I.

And it's almost like I'll stretch time, Like I'll just have a moment and I'm like, ooh, I'm feeling good. How can I slow down? How can I stretch time? How can I just feel it what it feels like to feel good? Cellularly in my body. Like as an example, we did an event a few weeks ago with a friend and we didn't really share about it. We just kind of showed up and there was like ten people there, which is great, ten people, We love them. But of course old me would have been like, there's not two hundred people here, what's the point. But my friend's kids were there, and I got to be with my friend's kids and play with her kids and laugh with her kids, and I was like, this is what this is about when I'm eighty. This is what I'm going to value when i'm older. This is what I'll value. And having moments of play and laughter felt like more worth it than if I.

Was in front of two hundred people.

Was in front of two hundred people.

And I was like, oh, I'm just going to double click on this feeling of feeling good playing with my friends kids in this now moment because the guru part of me, the most spiritual aspect of me, knows that this is what it's for and not anything else.

And I was like, oh, I'm just going to double click on this feeling of feeling good playing with my friends kids in this now moment because the guru part of me, the most spiritual aspect of me, knows that this is what it's for and not anything else.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love the idea of the bird's eye view. Yeah oh yeah, you know, so wrapped up in the moment and this present thing that's happening, and then as soon as if you have that opportunity to bird's eye view for a second, you're like, yeah, I was like, why am I? Why am I even thinking about this for more than an hour? Why am I even like letting this bother me at all? How is this going to affect me? Not even in just five years time, but like tomorrow or the next day. And so I think that they're really great tips. Actually, thank you for that. I would love to dig into the book because I actually didn't know much about Saturn returns. For anyone listening the book is I think it starts off with Saturn return, doesn't it. Yes, it starts off with your Saturn return. And I want to start off by asking what is Saturn return because I don't know whether everybody knows what it is.

I love the idea of the bird's eye view. Yeah oh yeah, you know, so wrapped up in the moment and this present thing that's happening, and then as soon as if you have that opportunity to bird's eye view for a second, you're like, yeah, I was like, why am I? Why am I even thinking about this for more than an hour? Why am I even like letting this bother me at all? How is this going to affect me? Not even in just five years time, but like tomorrow or the next day. And so I think that they're really great tips. Actually, thank you for that. I would love to dig into the book because I actually didn't know much about Saturn returns. For anyone listening the book is I think it starts off with Saturn return, doesn't it. Yes, it starts off with your Saturn return. And I want to start off by asking what is Saturn return because I don't know whether everybody knows what it is.

Yeah, so okay, let's go on an astrological journey.

Yeah, so okay, let's go on an astrological journey.

Yes, I haven't anyone talk about astrology on this, so let's go.

Yes, I haven't anyone talk about astrology on this, so let's go.

And we're not experts.

And we're not experts.

But when we learned this, it was a complete unlocked to the season of life that we were in, and really any season of change. So your Saturn return is when Saturn the planet comes back to the place in the sky it was when you were born and this planet. Think of it like your cosmic dad. He's coming in very lovingly, but maybe a little more tough love, and is asking you to look at aspects of your life that are aligned and aspects that are not. And those misalignments are usually the ones that during this period of your life between twenty seven and twenty nine and a half almost thirty, that feel like they're falling apart. You know, it feels like you should be in a different place and things aren't just working or clicking. You might feel incredibly insecure or looking around feeling like everyone has it together and you do not. But man, you know, this period of your life is actually it feels like it's crumbling, but it is truly coming to get for you. And when we realized this, we had an astrologer on our show very early on and she said, you guys are in your Saturn return. We were like, oh my, Like it just changed everything. Like if you're not crazy, yeh, to know to no one, to understand on a cosmic level, you know, if you kind of bring that into the room was so liberating. We were like, oh, there's a purpose here and it made so much sense. So all that to say you know, this is really an opportunity to get get in right relationship with change because you're going to change throughout your whole life, and also see some of the themes that Saturn brings to you and brings up to you that might reoccur throughout your life, but this one is going to be the most intense this period, and then you'll be able to kind of understand, oh, this is what I'm working with in life, and this is what I can really meet and commit to grown through rather than avoiding and staying stock.

But when we learned this, it was a complete unlocked to the season of life that we were in, and really any season of change. So your Saturn return is when Saturn the planet comes back to the place in the sky it was when you were born and this planet. Think of it like your cosmic dad. He's coming in very lovingly, but maybe a little more tough love, and is asking you to look at aspects of your life that are aligned and aspects that are not. And those misalignments are usually the ones that during this period of your life between twenty seven and twenty nine and a half almost thirty, that feel like they're falling apart. You know, it feels like you should be in a different place and things aren't just working or clicking. You might feel incredibly insecure or looking around feeling like everyone has it together and you do not. But man, you know, this period of your life is actually it feels like it's crumbling, but it is truly coming to get for you. And when we realized this, we had an astrologer on our show very early on and she said, you guys are in your Saturn return. We were like, oh my, Like it just changed everything. Like if you're not crazy, yeh, to know to no one, to understand on a cosmic level, you know, if you kind of bring that into the room was so liberating. We were like, oh, there's a purpose here and it made so much sense. So all that to say you know, this is really an opportunity to get get in right relationship with change because you're going to change throughout your whole life, and also see some of the themes that Saturn brings to you and brings up to you that might reoccur throughout your life, but this one is going to be the most intense this period, and then you'll be able to kind of understand, oh, this is what I'm working with in life, and this is what I can really meet and commit to grown through rather than avoiding and staying stock.

And does does it any happen once in your life?

And does does it any happen once in your life?

No? So hopefully you know it could happen three times, So at twenty nine and a half or so, and then again around fifty eight, fifty nine, and then in your nineties for the third time.

No? So hopefully you know it could happen three times, So at twenty nine and a half or so, and then again around fifty eight, fifty nine, and then in your nineties for the third time.

Oh my gosh, imagine your nineties being like why am I even here?

Oh my gosh, imagine your nineties being like why am I even here?

Because it's lighter and lighter. That's when you're like, it's all good.

Because it's lighter and lighter. That's when you're like, it's all good.

Well aligns to people's quarter life crisis, mid life crisis. It's kind of around that time period too, so much since and then around twenty seven to around twenty seven is when your prefrontal cortex comes online. So basically it's when you become conscious. So a lot of times for most or for most people, they're living life before that time just kind of programmed with what society tells them to do, what their parents want them to be, and they're living a life that may not be aligned to their soul but to external things. And so when your prefrontal cortex comes online, it's like really that time where you're thinking existentially, You're like, what.

Well aligns to people's quarter life crisis, mid life crisis. It's kind of around that time period too, so much since and then around twenty seven to around twenty seven is when your prefrontal cortex comes online. So basically it's when you become conscious. So a lot of times for most or for most people, they're living life before that time just kind of programmed with what society tells them to do, what their parents want them to be, and they're living a life that may not be aligned to their soul but to external things. And so when your prefrontal cortex comes online, it's like really that time where you're thinking existentially, You're like, what.

Am I here to do? Who am I here to be?

Am I here to do? Who am I here to be?

What is going on? And it can be really really it can be kind of scary for if you have it for the first time. And so for any way that we can help understand that period, whether it's astrology or whether it's you know, brain development, we wanted people to feel less alone and feeling like they were lost, or feeling like they were questioning what they knew, and that they wanted to live a better, more aligned life.

What is going on? And it can be really really it can be kind of scary for if you have it for the first time. And so for any way that we can help understand that period, whether it's astrology or whether it's you know, brain development, we wanted people to feel less alone and feeling like they were lost, or feeling like they were questioning what they knew, and that they wanted to live a better, more aligned life.

I for sure went through that.

I for sure went through that.

Please, I was like, we need to hear from from Yeah, I.

Please, I was like, we need to hear from from Yeah, I.

Think it was. It was during the time when I moved to New York. So not only was I going through that, I then had extreme external change. So I honestly felt like I went through a mini breakdown when I moved to New York because all the things that I had valued or thought about myself had also come from external people. Because I was the youngest, I was a younger child. Everything was like fed to me, told to me. And then I moved to New York, which was an extreme external change for me. I never wanted to leave, and all of those things mixed together, new friends, new place, not being able to work there. Just everything was like, oh my gosh, this is what mid life crisis must feel like. But I'm not midlife yet. And it was the biggest growth phase I have ever been through my life, and it is what has shaped my ability to be able to move through resistance and to be able to do things that I would have normally said no to, to be able to say for my mind to know that even though this is hard, you've done it before, you could do it again. Because that was a really rough time. And so I actually now my mom says this all the time. She was like, she was there's a caterpillar butterfly thing, but if she really felt like she saw me go through that phase of my life where it was really rough, and she was like and suddenly then I just saw you seem so at ease and like bloom, And when I look back at it, I really do bird's eye view, I'm like, wow, that was such a transitional phase. But the biggest growth spat that I had way bigger than when I like hit puberty.

Think it was. It was during the time when I moved to New York. So not only was I going through that, I then had extreme external change. So I honestly felt like I went through a mini breakdown when I moved to New York because all the things that I had valued or thought about myself had also come from external people. Because I was the youngest, I was a younger child. Everything was like fed to me, told to me. And then I moved to New York, which was an extreme external change for me. I never wanted to leave, and all of those things mixed together, new friends, new place, not being able to work there. Just everything was like, oh my gosh, this is what mid life crisis must feel like. But I'm not midlife yet. And it was the biggest growth phase I have ever been through my life, and it is what has shaped my ability to be able to move through resistance and to be able to do things that I would have normally said no to, to be able to say for my mind to know that even though this is hard, you've done it before, you could do it again. Because that was a really rough time. And so I actually now my mom says this all the time. She was like, she was there's a caterpillar butterfly thing, but if she really felt like she saw me go through that phase of my life where it was really rough, and she was like and suddenly then I just saw you seem so at ease and like bloom, And when I look back at it, I really do bird's eye view, I'm like, wow, that was such a transitional phase. But the biggest growth spat that I had way bigger than when I like hit puberty.

Yeah, what do you feel like?

Yeah, what do you feel like?

Was like the area or areas of your life that were being like kind of highlighted as like, hey, this is totally unaligned right now.

Was like the area or areas of your life that were being like kind of highlighted as like, hey, this is totally unaligned right now.

You got to look at this worth.

You got to look at this worth.

Wow, mine was fully work with worth. And you know, I was watching Jay at that time where he was fully in his purpose, like it was the beginning of him really being in it. And I was in this place where I was like, what am I even here for?

Wow, mine was fully work with worth. And you know, I was watching Jay at that time where he was fully in his purpose, like it was the beginning of him really being in it. And I was in this place where I was like, what am I even here for?

Like?

Like?

What am I doing here? What is my role? What is my service? Why am i him? I'm meant to just be a wife. I want to be a wife, But am I just meant to be a wife? Like, because that's what it feels like right now? I've got nothing else going for me. And it was definitely self worth in realizing that, oh my gosh, I built all my self worth on other people's view of me. And then it was interesting because when I then flowed into being someone online. It was really tricky not making not transitioning that worth into online with but I think I luckily came into deeper spiritual practices during that time, and obviously you eb and flow through it, but it was definitely a self worth thing for me that really came to surface.

What am I doing here? What is my role? What is my service? Why am i him? I'm meant to just be a wife. I want to be a wife, But am I just meant to be a wife? Like, because that's what it feels like right now? I've got nothing else going for me. And it was definitely self worth in realizing that, oh my gosh, I built all my self worth on other people's view of me. And then it was interesting because when I then flowed into being someone online. It was really tricky not making not transitioning that worth into online with but I think I luckily came into deeper spiritual practices during that time, and obviously you eb and flow through it, but it was definitely a self worth thing for me that really came to surface.

Yeah, I think the deepening of the spiritual practices is what anchored and grounded us in such a way. And I know I had been a spiritual little being my whole life, but it was finding that true sense of spirituality in my own unique way, because your spirituality is different than mine and different than yours, and having that foundation and having that belief in a co collaboration was something bigger than me, and the trust and the knowing that if I believe that this is all on me, that that's when I know off the path. You know, of course, in Miracles talks about that. It talks about if we believe that it's all on us, then we already know that we're not there. That the fear really comes in when we believe that we have to shoulder it all. And so my belief in something greater, in a greater path, and my soul in a greater purpose was really the thing that sort of brought me out of it and brought me into a deeper sense of purpose and self that like became an anchor.

Yeah, I think the deepening of the spiritual practices is what anchored and grounded us in such a way. And I know I had been a spiritual little being my whole life, but it was finding that true sense of spirituality in my own unique way, because your spirituality is different than mine and different than yours, and having that foundation and having that belief in a co collaboration was something bigger than me, and the trust and the knowing that if I believe that this is all on me, that that's when I know off the path. You know, of course, in Miracles talks about that. It talks about if we believe that it's all on us, then we already know that we're not there. That the fear really comes in when we believe that we have to shoulder it all. And so my belief in something greater, in a greater path, and my soul in a greater purpose was really the thing that sort of brought me out of it and brought me into a deeper sense of purpose and self that like became an anchor.

Yes, I love it. And when you think of yourself, when you think it's not just you, you believe so much more can happen. Yes, it's that thing of like, Okay, I know I'm limited in certain ways because yes, physically I can only run this far and mentally I can only do this much. But then when you add a sprinkle of something beyond you into it, you're like, oh, actually, I know, I kind of it, but.

Yes, I love it. And when you think of yourself, when you think it's not just you, you believe so much more can happen. Yes, it's that thing of like, Okay, I know I'm limited in certain ways because yes, physically I can only run this far and mentally I can only do this much. But then when you add a sprinkle of something beyond you into it, you're like, oh, actually, I know, I kind of it, but.

You leave room for so much.

You leave room for so much.

Divine might be able to do it. Together, we might be able to do it.

Divine might be able to do it. Together, we might be able to do it.

Yes, there are no limits to divine, like there are no limits. And when I can get out of my limited mind of this is what I can do, this is what's possible, and just like surrendered till it's possible, Oh my gosh, I only can taste how good it can get.

Yes, there are no limits to divine, like there are no limits. And when I can get out of my limited mind of this is what I can do, this is what's possible, and just like surrendered till it's possible, Oh my gosh, I only can taste how good it can get.

We only need like magic in our life. I feel like everything is so practical, so logical, so theoretical. Everyone's like one thing to another, and then you think, but where's the magic in life? I know where do we where do we get this magic from? And you know, I guess we will feel that in our spiritual practices. But yeah, to anyone listening, like where do you get that magic from? Like where do you feel that extra spark of something beyond your physical self?

We only need like magic in our life. I feel like everything is so practical, so logical, so theoretical. Everyone's like one thing to another, and then you think, but where's the magic in life? I know where do we where do we get this magic from? And you know, I guess we will feel that in our spiritual practices. But yeah, to anyone listening, like where do you get that magic from? Like where do you feel that extra spark of something beyond your physical self?

We were driving here and there was an adopt the highway.

We were driving here and there was an adopt the highway.

It was like, wait, yes, atheist something some atheist united and respect and love. But also I just had that feeling of like, oh, it made me think of anyone who just shoulders life, just feeling like they have to figure it out themselves, you know, and how happy that can be.

It was like, wait, yes, atheist something some atheist united and respect and love. But also I just had that feeling of like, oh, it made me think of anyone who just shoulders life, just feeling like they have to figure it out themselves, you know, and how happy that can be.

What are some of your daily spiritual practices that you find help you.

What are some of your daily spiritual practices that you find help you.

I think for me prayer is just the best. And prayer can look different for everyone, but for me, prayer has all the benefits of meditation. It's that quiet time, it's that nervous system regulation, and it's really that conversation with my soul and my conversation with my guides or God. And it's really the moments when I just the most clear, I just get the most dialed and I can give whatever stress or anxiety up. One of my favorite practices and rituals to do at the end of the day. I'll pray in the morning, and I pray at night, and I praying throughout the day pretty much. But one of my favorite practices is to imagine myself walking up to an altar, Like in my mind's eye, I'll be walking up to this beautiful altar in the sky or nature wherever, and I'll just imagine myself giving up any stress, any anxiety, anything that I'm shouldering or holding in my life to this altar. So anything I'm ruminating on, like oh, I'm fearful of this, I'm scared of this, this clearing conversation I have to do. You know, this sickness that my dad has, all these things, I just put it on the altar and imagine it being taken care of in a greater way than I could have ever imagined. And I imagine it's cellularly leaving my body so that I can feel free.

I think for me prayer is just the best. And prayer can look different for everyone, but for me, prayer has all the benefits of meditation. It's that quiet time, it's that nervous system regulation, and it's really that conversation with my soul and my conversation with my guides or God. And it's really the moments when I just the most clear, I just get the most dialed and I can give whatever stress or anxiety up. One of my favorite practices and rituals to do at the end of the day. I'll pray in the morning, and I pray at night, and I praying throughout the day pretty much. But one of my favorite practices is to imagine myself walking up to an altar, Like in my mind's eye, I'll be walking up to this beautiful altar in the sky or nature wherever, and I'll just imagine myself giving up any stress, any anxiety, anything that I'm shouldering or holding in my life to this altar. So anything I'm ruminating on, like oh, I'm fearful of this, I'm scared of this, this clearing conversation I have to do. You know, this sickness that my dad has, all these things, I just put it on the altar and imagine it being taken care of in a greater way than I could have ever imagined. And I imagine it's cellularly leaving my body so that I can feel free.

Wow.

Wow.

And you know that type of feeling of being taken care of, of possibility of stress, reduction of peace is so so nourishing and it's been so helpful for me.

And you know that type of feeling of being taken care of, of possibility of stress, reduction of peace is so so nourishing and it's been so helpful for me.

It's beautiful the altar in your heart.

It's beautiful the altar in your heart.

Yeah, and you can imagine you can sometimes my altar is like covered and leave. Sometimes it's like gemstones, it's like this decorated.

Yeah, and you can imagine you can sometimes my altar is like covered and leave. Sometimes it's like gemstones, it's like this decorated.

It's just so beautiful.

It's just so beautiful.

It's a really beautiful song in our practice, and it says mona mon there, and that's exactly what it means, creating an altar or temple in your heart. It's honestly why I got this tattoo recently. Actually it's a little temple and it's mana Mandere. I'll send it to you. It's in Sanskrit, but you'll feel it. You don't need to really know what it's saying. But it's all about creating this temple in your heart space and doing exactly what you said. And that's beautiful having that surrender. What about you?

It's a really beautiful song in our practice, and it says mona mon there, and that's exactly what it means, creating an altar or temple in your heart. It's honestly why I got this tattoo recently. Actually it's a little temple and it's mana Mandere. I'll send it to you. It's in Sanskrit, but you'll feel it. You don't need to really know what it's saying. But it's all about creating this temple in your heart space and doing exactly what you said. And that's beautiful having that surrender. What about you?

So as a new mom, to be honest, it's been I had my two hour routine in the morning before baby, and I would have all my practices I'll set and it's been really cool to kind of, you know, redefine like what those practices look like for me. How do I connect with God? How do I connect with my soul? And prayer is absolutely part of my practice, but I've also found just you know, where can I find beauty and reverence for my life in these like very mundane moments, you know. So my son will get up in the morning and I go in and you know, we have our time and our cozy chair and we just like are cheek to cheek looking out at Brooklyn and you know, just having that moment together and I just cherish that and I feel I feel God in that moment, and I feel just fully fully held and fully connected heart to heart with my son. And it's just in those mundane moments I've found the same feeling I desired before baby, you know, in those spiritual practices to be there as well. So if anyone is listening and they're feeling so busy right now, my life is just in flux.

So as a new mom, to be honest, it's been I had my two hour routine in the morning before baby, and I would have all my practices I'll set and it's been really cool to kind of, you know, redefine like what those practices look like for me. How do I connect with God? How do I connect with my soul? And prayer is absolutely part of my practice, but I've also found just you know, where can I find beauty and reverence for my life in these like very mundane moments, you know. So my son will get up in the morning and I go in and you know, we have our time and our cozy chair and we just like are cheek to cheek looking out at Brooklyn and you know, just having that moment together and I just cherish that and I feel I feel God in that moment, and I feel just fully fully held and fully connected heart to heart with my son. And it's just in those mundane moments I've found the same feeling I desired before baby, you know, in those spiritual practices to be there as well. So if anyone is listening and they're feeling so busy right now, my life is just in flux.

I whether you had a baby, or.

I whether you had a baby, or.

Maybe you're moving, or maybe you're changing careers and you just feel like the thought of trying to incorporate a longer spiritual routine throughout your day feels too much. Just know that it can happen in an instant, you know, you can.

Maybe you're moving, or maybe you're changing careers and you just feel like the thought of trying to incorporate a longer spiritual routine throughout your day feels too much. Just know that it can happen in an instant, you know, you can.

You can pray in an instant.

You can pray in an instant.

You can you know, just touch your heart in an instant and connect to your soul.

You can you know, just touch your heart in an instant and connect to your soul.

It doesn't have to be you.

It doesn't have to be you.

Know, cross legged in the middle of a room with candles and all these things. I think we we kind of paint that picture, but it doesn't actually have to be that.

Know, cross legged in the middle of a room with candles and all these things. I think we we kind of paint that picture, but it doesn't actually have to be that.

That's beautiful. I really think motherhood is. I mean, even in our culture it says that your relationship being a mother is as close to a relationship as inhumanly possible that you can get your relationship with God because it is such a it's a relationship of service. And you know, up in for us we say your relationship to God is of service. And so when you have that child that is completely under your at your surrender, everything you do for it is what it receives or what the child receives. It's like that is the closest relationship to to serving the Divine that you get because you're in constant mode of service as a mother. Oh yeah, yes, what piece of advice have you been given over these past years or even while you were going through a safon in return that you feel has stayed with you, like a piece of advice you would give to someone else going through it.

That's beautiful. I really think motherhood is. I mean, even in our culture it says that your relationship being a mother is as close to a relationship as inhumanly possible that you can get your relationship with God because it is such a it's a relationship of service. And you know, up in for us we say your relationship to God is of service. And so when you have that child that is completely under your at your surrender, everything you do for it is what it receives or what the child receives. It's like that is the closest relationship to to serving the Divine that you get because you're in constant mode of service as a mother. Oh yeah, yes, what piece of advice have you been given over these past years or even while you were going through a safon in return that you feel has stayed with you, like a piece of advice you would give to someone else going through it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think for me as someone that was codependent, you know, so codependent and I'll never forget when Lindsay started going to therapy and Lindsay went first, like I said, and when she came, she's like, I'm working with my feelings of codependency and I'm working with this pattern of codependency.

I think for me as someone that was codependent, you know, so codependent and I'll never forget when Lindsay started going to therapy and Lindsay went first, like I said, and when she came, she's like, I'm working with my feelings of codependency and I'm working with this pattern of codependency.

I was like, oh, that.

I was like, oh, that.

Sucks for her, like as someone that's incredibly independent, like that really sucks for her. I was like, interesting about empathize literally literally, I was like, keep me posted, girl, you know, realizing my codependency was so deep I didn't even see it and I couldn't even or standard or zom so having coaches and therapists and mentors that just simply ask you, but how do you feel? You know, it can be you receive a text message from someone and then you're sent, often to the story of they don't care about me, or they they think this, or they want me to you know. The stories just start when we receive emails, text messages, things on the phone, conversations, and it can just come back to like how do I feel? What do I want? How do I want to show up? And I think there's the turning inward to me and remembering that I'm a person, I am a form, I am a being that deserves an opinion, that deserves a perspective, that can be in the room and in this conversation, which just huge for me. So now with anything I always kind of turn in. I'm like, how are you doing, how are you feeling? What do you want? It's like bringing the I back in the conversation has just been worlds helpful in my romantic relationships, in my business, in my family relationships, and it just helps me to be more centered and more myself so I can be in true relationship with people out of love instead of out of any codependent fears or patterns.

Sucks for her, like as someone that's incredibly independent, like that really sucks for her. I was like, interesting about empathize literally literally, I was like, keep me posted, girl, you know, realizing my codependency was so deep I didn't even see it and I couldn't even or standard or zom so having coaches and therapists and mentors that just simply ask you, but how do you feel? You know, it can be you receive a text message from someone and then you're sent, often to the story of they don't care about me, or they they think this, or they want me to you know. The stories just start when we receive emails, text messages, things on the phone, conversations, and it can just come back to like how do I feel? What do I want? How do I want to show up? And I think there's the turning inward to me and remembering that I'm a person, I am a form, I am a being that deserves an opinion, that deserves a perspective, that can be in the room and in this conversation, which just huge for me. So now with anything I always kind of turn in. I'm like, how are you doing, how are you feeling? What do you want? It's like bringing the I back in the conversation has just been worlds helpful in my romantic relationships, in my business, in my family relationships, and it just helps me to be more centered and more myself so I can be in true relationship with people out of love instead of out of any codependent fears or patterns.

Shout out to our therapists who I feel like you probably quote on the regular and can't actually say their names because this one is also similar flavor. But my therapist would ask me, is this really? Is this you know? Is this your voice? Is this your desire? Is this what you really want to do? And it's just a great question we can ask ourselves because I'm someone who can easily take on the desires of other people or the dreams of other people that they have. For me, I was living an expired dream for a long time. I wanted to be an actress, which was my truth from a very young age. But there came a point where that dream was expired, and I was still like pushing for it because everyone expected me to, and you know, I had I remember having a conversation with my therapist about this a few of them, and she was just like, is this still your dream? You know, like who are you doing this for? And it was just such a powerful question that I still have to ask myself even as a mom now, you know, just kind of checking in as I navigate rearing a child. But it could just bring you right back to your center, and I think that's where when I make decisions, that's the best place I can be. You know, it doesn't have to be the right quote quote decision, it just has to be from that center.