Chief Minister Lia Finocchiaro says police have made 140 arrests as part of Operation Ludlow, with 20 high risk offenders also taken into custody in Alice Springs since last Thursday

Published Dec 18, 2024, 12:49 AM
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Now we have extensively covered the crime crisis in Alice Springs. The situation reached a shocking point on Wednesday afternoon at two point thirty when two teenagers entered a home in Alice Springs allegedly armed with weapons. The mum was inside with her two month old baby and three other kids, and one of the teens allegedly struck her with a metal bar, hitting her and her newborn bub Now, the father of the two month old baby girl joined us on the show earlier in the week. He said he's been overwhelmed by the support that his family has received from the community in the wake of the home invasion. Now joining me on the line is the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, Leo Finocchiaro. Good morning to your Chief Minister.

Good morning.

Now, it's been a horrible time in Alice Springs. The former administrator's home was invaded, a woman was allegedly sexually assaulted while she slept. We know a police officer was driven at by a group in a stolen car, and a mum and baby seriously injured in a home invasion. That's just the tip of the iceberg. What was your reaction when you started to learn of the most recent events and the crime that was unfolding in Alice Springs.

It's been horrific, Katie. My immediate instinct was get on a plane, get down there and stand with the people of Alice Springs. And we know for a very long time that town has been abandoned. They've felt totally disconnected from the rest of the government hearing their concerns. We've seen crime escalating. There's been various sort of patchwork of federal support coming in and out, which has had questionable outcomes. So it's been a real disaster for those people, and they just want change. And so we hit the ground running Thursday morning last week, the police commissioner and I immediately stood up to additional police responses, but also I then followed my briefings with police and my update to the community were all round table of all senior public servants across every single agency in Alice Springs to make sure that all of those joint operations with school attendance officers, housing safety officers, licensing, the circuit Breaker program, through children and families, all of those things were working together for a safer town. To make sure that we're pulling every government resource available to deliver better outcomes for that community.

Look, there'll be people listening this morning who will say, why didn't you do that sooner? I mean, we know that Alice Springs flares up every summer. We'd started to see the signs that it was starting to flare up again. We know that it's been a location that's had issue upon issue upon issue. Why wasn't that happening sooner?

So we actually did bring forward Operation Ludlow. So traditionally, sort of under the previous government, those increased policing operations start in December. We brought that forward to November mid November to make sure that we had that increased police presence in the town. Now, of course, every year we're seeing escalations and offending because the laws haven't been there to make sure we're holding people accountable. Our police haven't been supported, so it's been a mess. So we brought that forward. Now it needed more, and we bolstered it as soon as we recognize it needed more. And what we've really been able to do, which is very exciting and different, Katie is with that Fugitive Task Force and they've already had twenty arrests and these are high harm individual So we now have capability in the Northern Territory Police and this is ongoing capability to be specifically targeting those high harm offenders, those people who are out on warrants or out at large and the police are having an excellent result. So about one hundred and forty arrest from the increased Operation Ludlow and then another twenty of high harm individuals and it's those twenty who cause so much grief and misery across the territory.

Chief Minister over what period of time is that one hundred and forty arrests and those twenty are the twenty additional over what period is that?

That's justince Thursday last week, So huge numbers, huge impact and every day we're getting reports from police and we're driving down the number of engagements police are having, which means there's less crime. So it's not just that we're able to arrest more, but we're actually the impact it's having is that there is less crime. So those numbers are really encouraging and of course we continue to watch it. The Police Commissioner was down yesterday on the ground speaking with locals, speaking with police, making sure that all the measures are there so police are primed and ready to go. But also we've stood up very senior public servants to be operational throughout the Christmas period and to make sure that the NNGO sector is being held accountable and operational during those periods as well. At the end of the day, it is a taxpayer funded initiatives to make the territory a better place and it's not acceptable for them to stand down over a very busy time. So there's a lot of accountability that's been put in place that hasn't been there before, and we're seeing some great outcomes. Even Circuit Breaker just started Monday, Katie. We've already had families signed up to family responsibility agreements Police able to take us to save places greater. We've got six to eight territory families or sorry, children and families staff working every night shift. So there's a big, big reforms we've been able to make in just three months.

Chief Minister, you said then that some of those senior public servants will not be going on leave over that Christmas period. What about yourself and what about the Police Commissioner?

Yep, no, I'll be here, Katie, I'm working right through. I haven't had a holiday with my family all years since the start of the year, so hopefully I can get to spend some time with them maybe quarter to next year. But I'm really conscious of making sure we're throwing everything out this to drive as much change as possible. So I'm on deck. The Police Commissioner is on deck from that Christmas period onwards. We've got Deputy Commissioner Martin Dole and Alice Springs as well. He's on deck. But it's not just police and me, Katie. This is about making sure Housing has strong leadership education with all of them. So there is senior leadership right across the board and we've got different accountability measures in place to make sure that we're holding everyone in the chain accountable for it.

Well, there's one area that people are wondering whether they are indeed upholding the expectations of the community this point in time now, in the situation with the home invasion in Alice Springs last week, and I know there'll be a level of detail we can't go into here, but it was reported by the Australian newspaper that the two teenage boys involved had collectively been charged with almost three hundred other offenses and bailed thirty five times, and they were on bail when that incident happened. I think the whole community is asking right now, how can that happen?

Yeah, and it's a bloody good question, Katie. And this is exactly why we urgently passed our bail reform and the Reducing Crime Package in about week eight of our government. Of course, bail hasn't commenced yet. That will become operational in January, and it can't come soon enough, Katie. But at the end of the day, what we've had is a legal system that does not meet community expectation. And young people right across the territory have got one hundred and hundreds of offenses under their belt and it's still out at large in our community because the justice system itself is totally broken, and that's what we are reinforcing and building back up. We've already been able to get our courts working longer hours to make sure we're pushing through that backlog of people being put before our courts, and obviously the police are doing a great job are arresting people. And then we've got our corrections piece with the master plan. I've got Minister Melee giving an update later today about how the new Bremouth facility has been brought back online. So there's lots of things happening, but at the end of the day, we have to continue to strengthen the laws to make sure that the courts are delivering what the community expects, and that's you know, repeat offending is hideous, absolutely idious.

Chief Finister. What do you do though, if there's still not being you know, if there's still not being given the sentences or the consequence that the community expects.

We just keep strengthening the laws, Katie, It's that simple. So we've sent a very clear signal what direction our government's going, and that's that there must be consequences. We have to give the judiciary confidence that we've got alternative sentencing options as well, which is where our boot camps will come into it, in our work camps for adult prisoners. But at the end of the day, our police are there to catch the bad guys. They are doing that, they then get put before the courts and we need to make sure that our legal framework is right and so our reducing crime package that we passed, you know, a couple of months ago. That was always just the start, Katie. I want to be really clear, this is not a set and forget for us. We are working throughout, right from day one and right throughout this period to get to February sitting where we're working with police and a range of other stakeholders. For example, there is much work to be done in the Youth Justice Act. I've been out with cops in Nooka, Groot Island, Catherine, Tenant Creek, Alice, right across Darwin hearing how we can strengthen laws and processes to make their job easier. So everything's on the table for us, Katie. I've told the Police Commissioner that I've told the Deputy Police Commissioner, Martin Dole. Every agency knows and collectively as a government, every single agency understands that as a collective government, our number one priority is to reduce crime and everyone must contribute to that.

So, Chief Minister, do you feel or I mean, are we in a situation here in Alice Springs, but also with the escalating level of crime that we are seeing in Catherine, are we in a situation where we do need to call in or call for some support from the federal police or from police into state or are you confident that the number of Northern Territory police that we have on the ground right now is enough, Because it's not about whether you know, we've got confidence in them. I've got confidence in the police. We can see them, you know, conducting those arrests and actually locking trying their best to catch these offenders. But do they have the support that they actually need and do they have you know, the number of officers that they actually need right now.

So I've been reassured by the Police Commissioner where they're not at the point yet where police need to call for backup, and we've made a number of changes within the police force to be able to get more police out on the street, which is really really important, so changing policing to make sure it's frontline facing. But the Police commission has also reassured me that he'd made contact and I know the AFP are on Stanboid, South Australia is on standby, so if then when we need it, it's ready to go. Right now is not that point. But equally I've said explicitly everything's on the table. We must do whatever it takes to get this under control, because everything stems from people feeling safe, Katie. We can't have a thriving business community or busy streets or activation in our parks if people are too afraid to leave their homes. And right now in some parts of the territory people are afraid to be in their homes and that's unacceptable. It cannot be the case and we cannot let the criminals win. So they're far more good Territorians than there are bad and we've got to put all our energy into making sure we stop people turning to a life of crime and then once they have that, we deliver them consequences and opportunities to change their life so that they don't become life long repeat offenders.

So you said there that they are on standby. So who's been contacted to make sure that if and when we need that support we're able to get it.

I believe the Australian Federal Police and of course the South Australian Police. So we've got into government sort of operational relationships where different triggers can happen, where we can call on. So that's all been stood up. That's a very operational matter for the Police Commissioner. But I've made it explicitly clear what my expectation is, and you know, we've done one thousand RBTs Alice for instance, Thursday, we've got twenty two more police down there. We recognize Catherine as also having a bit of a flare up and I was down out on the beat during the night with Catherine police, not last night, the night before. So it's been really important for me to be out on the road in the vans with our police so I can learn from them, see firsthand the challenges and then make sure we're taking action and pressing every button we've got to be able to drive change now.

The opposition leader Selena Rubo said, it's extremely concerning that there's been a shocking space of violent crime in Catherine over the weekend, with those reports of only one police unit in a town of ten thousand people to respond. Do you know if that is the case, Is there only one unit that's been able to respond to what's been a real pickup It looks in the space of the weekend and over the last or so when it comes to crime.

Yeah, I'm not sure if that's correct. We've got Operation Oxley happening in Catherine right now. So similar to Ludlow. I do know there's challenges in questions in Catherine. I'm not going to sugarcoat that, but look, crime is an issue we just have to continuously work on. I think it's a bit cute for the opposition leader to be pointing the finger at the CLP after three months in government, when they had eight years to literally destroy every facet of community safety across the territory. But we recognize there's more to be done. We're not shying away from that, Katie. That's why we put up our hands to be the government, because collectively we stand with our community and say enough is enough. And I had fantastic meetings in Alice Springs with traditional owners, a range of community members, and everyone is united in the fact that we've got to do things differently. And I'm meeting with Senator Melander and McCarthy and Marian Scrimdaw tomorrow. I've had excellent conversations with the federal Minister for Health, Mark Butler. We've got our seven plans, seven points that we've taken to the federal government that we want them to act on. So there's great work happening. I wish we could change everything yesterday, But I think the broader community understand that more than ever before. We've got a government that is absolutely focused on this issue, and I've designed the entire public sector to be focused on this key issue.

Lea on that seven point plan and what you'd like to see, you know, that support you'd like to see from the federal government. I know, as you touched on the going to be meeting with both Senator Melanderri McCarthy and also Marian Scrimdaw. I mean, we're talking here about the reintroduction of compulsory work or training programs with fortnightly reporting obligations for Centrelink recipients, implementing one hundred percent income management for parents of youth offenders, accepting the Northern Territory government's referral to the federal government for parents who neglect their children, enabling additional income management. I mean, do you think that they're going to come to the table on these changes?

Well, I actually genuinely think they want to work with us, Katie. I had a great discussion with Minister Butler. I meeting with MALANDERI and Marian tomorrow. The federal government has already moved on Item five, which is making sure that CASSA exemptions are lifted for Alice Springs so that our police can use drones. So just to explain that, drones obviously are in airspace, so there's issues around flying drones in active airspace where there are aeroplanes and other helicopters and the like. So we just need some different exemptions to be able to have higher use of our drones in Alice Springs and better capability. And when I was in Alice Springs, I went out at night again with frontline police. I went up and saw and spoke to the drone operators. So the federal government has already come good on that Kaza exemption. So that's one tangible, meaningful way we can have better policing in the territory. So I'm really encouraged. I'm sure there are some of the seven points that they're going to be less inclined to deliver, but at the end of the day, there is a very strong open dialogue. We want to get this done, and we will push the federal government as hard as we possibly can to say to them, what have you got to lose. We have to do something different or we're going to get the same results.

Absolutely, things have got a change. We've all had a gut full of the crime that we've been experiencing in the Northern Territory. Leah, a quick one from one of our listeners wondering when are Bush Camp's going to get up and running.

Yeah, so that work is actually being done. So Alice Springs is sort of the first cab off the rank there. So we've got the facility down there, I believe. I think either the tender's gone out or there's work being done. So that's just being repurposed because we're using a facility that was a prison, so we have to do important work. And I'm sure your listener will remember what's happened recently with the youth Dogs of facility in Dow and additional reinforcement. So as soon as that work's done, we'll be able to get those boot camps in there. So I stretching my memory, but I think it's quarter two next year. That should be good to go.

All right, Well, we will fit along the website.

Though, if your listener, if your listener, everything for the master plan is on track timing wise, and that's publicly available.

We'll certainly follow that up. Chief Minister, what is your message this morning for Territorians, people who voted for you on the promise of change when it comes to crime, people who are worried and scared about the crime that they are experiencing right now, that.

We stand with you. And that's exactly why every single member of my team has put up their hand to run into Parliament to be the government. It's because we want change and we've shown very clearly through ours that were mean business and people can judge us. People will absolutely be able to judge us on whether they feel safe, but whether we've made a difference. We need some time to do that, but we've done urgent measures straight away to be able to get those things in place to lay the foundation for a stronger response, and we will stop at nothing until it is done. We are exploring every option every single day, and we will work tirelessly to make sure the territory we grew up in, the one we're raising our kids in the place we know and love, is better than it was yesterday and every single day. Katie, that's my mission.

Leah. A couple of quick ones before I let you go this morning. A front page of the paper today, of course, big news and all then territory news reporting that a new thirty seven kilometer pipeline is going to be built linking Tambore and Resources be Taloo Basin gas assets with the Northern territories North South Armadaeus pipeline. What does this mean for the No and territory.

This is really really exciting news, Katie. It shows that the Bealoo is progressing. There is confidence out there in the private sector once again looking at the territory and saying hey, maybe we can do business there. And this is a huge game changer for us because if we can restore confidence to invest here and make the territory a good place to invest, we can then deliver better services, hire more police, have greater opportunities for supporting housing and activation of our lifestyle. So economic growth is a key point next to law and order and this investment just shows that we are on track. We've got our Territory Coordinator legislation out for consultation. There's actually a consultation tonight at Ridges Palmerston from five pm, so people are welcome to go learn about the economic reform we are making so that you and your children and their children have jobs and opportunities into the future, and that we're able to protect our territory lifestyle and enhance this place for the betterment of all territories. And it's just exciting times ahead.

Katie, Chief Minister on the Cyclone Tracy fiftieth anniversary commemorations. We know that it is well. We've been catching up with Cyclone Tracy survivors and will continue to do so all throughout this week. But there had been some concern around a short fall when it comes to funding. They were waiting to hear, I believe from you and from the Northern Territory government. Has there been any movement in this space.

Yeah, there has, Katie, So our request came through and I approved that additional funding. The territory has put significant investment across a range of measures, so it's not just one single event. There's been dozens of different events that have been supported and that reception event at Volsky Pavilion approve that funding. Of course, I'll be there Christmas morning, Katie, commemorating with hundreds of other Territorians. And it's a tough time. I think we need to be exercising great respect at this time. There are many survivors who it's just business as usual and they don't really want to engage too much in commemorative events. There are others who are just really wanting this opportunity to reflect and so it's just a it's a tough time for our community and of course a very significant part of our history and our culture as a people and the resilience that's been born from that disaster that we've endured and survived and flourished after. So yeah, lots of commemorative activities ahead. They're all public, so people can get on the website and be involved in whatever they like, and if they don't, that's perfectly fine as well.

Well. Chief Minister, Leah Finocchiaro, we really appreciate all the time that you've given us on the show throughout the year while the Opposition leader and also since becoming the Northern Territories Chief Minister. I know that people really do like to hear from you on a regular basis. We appreciate that time that you give us every week to speak to Northern Territorians and I hope you have a great Christmas with your family. I know you got two little people in your house who I'm sure are very, very excited about Christmas.

Yes they are, and look, thank you Katie. It's wonderful to be on your show weekly. It's really important to me that I have a way to speak directly to Territorians on the issues that are important to them, and I will continue to do that during this term of government. And people, I just encourage you to engage with us on the issues that matter to you. That's what's most important to us. So a say for Merry Christmas to U, Katy and Crystal and all of your listeners. I really genuinely hope people get to spend time with their loved ones. I want to thank our emergency workers who are going to be out protecting territory during a time when we're sitting at home and enjoying time with our loved ones. And of course I'll be on deck throughout the whole Christmas period, so I'm sure I'll be bumping into people at various things along the way, and I just want everyone to have a very safe and merry time.

We Lea Finocchiaro, Chief Minister of the Northern Territory. We will talk to you again in the new year. Thanks again for all your time.

Yes, take care everyone. Merry Christmas, thank you,